Why Mulan (2020) Didn't Work
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- EDIT: Nessun dorma is actually after Calaf answers Turandot's riddles and he's tricking her by withholding his name
Got it a little backwards, oops!
In this video I awkwardly rant about the Mulan remake not being good because Opera
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"The Producers and Hairspray: The Hazards and Rewards of Recursive Adaptaion"
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Probably the best all-around source for Opera (great if you're a teacher and want to send this to your students)
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Mulan Review by Jeremy Jahns
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Although I didn't cite her in the video, if you are in any way interested in this film then this video by Xiran Jay Zhao is an absolute must
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Now bear with me, I used a LOT of opera clips in this video and I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure they're all listed here but if I've missed any PLEASE let me know so I can add it to the list
Queen of the Night Aria by The Royal Opera
• The Magic Flute - Quee...
Carmen: "L'amour est un oiseau rebelle" (Elina Garanca)
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Luciano Pavarotti's rendition of Nessun dorma
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Il barbiere di siviglia "Largo al factotum
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The Barber of Seville - Figaro's Aria
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Monteverdi - Orfeo: recitativo secco
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57. N. 21b Recitativo accompagnato ed aria: "In quali eccessi, o Numi"
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29 Recitativo accompagnato e Aria Non mi dir
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I am the very Model of a Modern Major General - Pirates of Penzance (1983)
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Kirsten Flagstad - Brünnhilde's battle cry "Ho jo to ho !" (Die Walküre, Wagner)
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Walküre 5/12 - R. Wagner - Akt 2 Brünnhilde Wotan Valencia 2008
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Die Walküre, Wagner - Wotan's Farewell, James Morris
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Galop Infernal - Orphee aux Enfers
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One of the biggest impacts in the animated Mulan was actually the ending of “A girl worth fighting for”. The music suddenly stops and it’s dead silence as they see the battlefield before them, coming to the realisation that they aren’t ready for war. The fact that there isn’t any singing for the rest of the movie gives a subconscious emotional reaction, the first half of the movie is a polar opposite of the second.
I don't know how many people focus on this, but that song is honestly the MOST realistic of ALL the musical numbers in the original film. It's a freaking marching song, soldiers sing it to keep morale up. And the emotional impact of the ending is so important to the movie--
This entire remake gets me so angry.
That analysis reminds me of something someone said about La La Land: the first half of the movie starts out with these colorful, carefree musical numbers. "A Lovely Night," however, ends the run of the major musical numbers. It's like reality sets in when the romance begins, which foreshadows the twist ending.
The reason musicals exist is because music can convey things that the spoken word or even millions of dollars in cinematography can never *quite* convey.
I have an observation, which is kind of halfway to a theory.
The end of "A Girl Worth Fighting For" is the last song that characters _in the body of a Disney movie_ sing in the Renaissance. Tarzan, as Sideways has gone over extensively, doesn't have the characters in-movie sing its musical numbers, and after Tarzan there's like, no in-world musical numbers except the villain song from Home on the Range all the way until Princess and the Frog in 2009.
"Make a Man Out of You" gets reprised later in the movie to extremely important effect, but it's not actually being sung by the characters at that point, either. Until 2009, with one exception, the last time a Disney character sings an in-movie song is when "A Girl Worth Fighting For" cuts out.
So is that point at the end of "A Girl Worth Fighting For" _itself_ the end of the Renaissance? That's a weird and almost certainly wrong statement, but I definitely feel like it's the end of something really, really big.
Absolutly. When I saw the scene in the remake I just had to think how much more of an impact it had in the original. I mean, they just cut to the scene, there was no contrast at all, which had made the original so much more powerful
@@InchonDM Your work...has just begun. :o
Biggest mistake: The lack of affection between father and daughter. The scene after the matchmaker, under the sakura tree, shows a loving father who doesn't care if she failed or not, but is interrupted by the army caller. This scene alone makes their relationship and later when he yells we get that's more of emotions going waywire and we are basically waiting for them to be okay after
Second biggest mistake: Taking away Mulan's actual 'power': BEING SMART. Though all the animated movie we see Mulan doing things in a diferent but smart way - feeding the chickens with the dog, having a second cup of tea, cheating effectively on her arm instead of the fan and most of all using the weights to climb the pole. THAT is her power: BEING SMART. That's way it's Mulan and only her who thinks of using the last firework to cause an avalanche.
Instead we have this second-rate super-hero movie that totally lacks any understanding of Chi or the actual myth of Hua Mulan
Don't forget that they have her make a winning move in Chinese checkers after studying the board for all of 2 seconds (near the beginning of the movie). Yeah, she's not the best fighter out of her immediate group, that would be Shang, she's probably not the fastest etc, but she's the smartest and the quickest witted while being good enough at everything else to make her a physical threat. Which makes her very dangerous without making her a super hero or undermining her fellow soldiers.
Then the remake made her Rey
The scene in the original that paints Mulan’s relationship with her father always makes me cry. The raw emotion and love and affection between the two hits *hard*, but in the remake I kind of forgot that her dad was even in the movie
I forgot a lot of people were in the movie.
@@Telcontar86 I see Rey as far more similar to the original Mulan than the remake. Yes Rey is born *different* but star wars does not try to hide her obvious weaknesses and intense physical struggles in the obnoxious way that 2020 Mulan hides hers. I would go as far to say that the new Mulan is more similar to Captain Marvel than she is to the original Mulan, which is so insanely annoying. I love that you highlighted the checkers match, because it also shows how effortless the flow of the movie feels, compared to the choppy feeling of this new, excuse me, trash.
@@chlojo1231
“star wars does not try to hide her obvious weaknesses and intense physical struggles”
Yes.
Yes it does.
And it’s definitely obnoxious about it.
@@APinchofBazel Oh you're for sure right about that, but star wars definitely made a better shitty protagonist than the mulan remake
This movie failed on every concievable level
It failed as an opera
It failed at accurately showing Chinese culture
It failed as a remake
It failed at basic editing
It failed at being "realistic" while also failing at being fantasy
It failed at being an adaptation of the original poem
It failed at empowerment
And let's be honest, if aliens came down and introduced us to unknown aspects of movie making, it probably failed those too
It failed at bringing honor for the cow.
Lmao can you link the video essays
Check out Shadiversity's comment: it also failed at depicting warfare and the basic operation of weapons.
@@Seele2015au I.e, it failed at being "realistic"
@@Zestrayswede A large part of it also turned out to be the laws of physics too.
>completely misrepresenting the concept of Chi
>completely misrepresent the architecture
>completely misrepresenting the message of the original poem
> completely botched mulan's entire story arc, motivation and abilities
Honestly, some silly song would've made it at least bearable, since i can just blame it on Mulan having a fever dream as she bled out on the battlefield
Imagine draining a third of your blood to feel high and hallucinate
Also completely misrepresented Chinese mythology and history. Witches don’t exist in Ancient China and it just pisses me off so much that such a Western concept made it into a “Chinese” movie like this. Women practicing magic in Ancient China are valued as shaman and such. Only thing someone can get lynched for practicing magic is for inherently not being human, such as being a fox spirit pretending to be human. Also, fire phoenixes rising from the ashes wasn’t a thing, phoenixes are just cool birds that brings good luck.
@@sugarkane1571 i heard a chinese youtuber say that witches were in China but they weren't the same as what we got.
@@avivastudios2311 they were probably referencing the shaman thing
Got locations wrong.
Mixed-era fashion left Chinese viewers confused about the time period.
Witches are western mythology.
Chinese phoenixes aren't associated with rebirth.
Global audiences hated that she didn't have to work hard to get stronger.
Pissed off LGBT by getting rid of Li Shang.
Global audiences did not find Mushu offensive.
Global audiences wanted the music from the old Disney cartoon.
The thing that bugged me most was the way they used "Reflection" in the background constantly, without any regard for whether or not it made sense in the context of the scene. The most jarring example being having it swell up in the background when she's murdering people during the big snowy battle scene.
Nah fam, it's totally foreshadowing for her post war PTSD, waking up at three am from a night terror, looking at herself in the mirror, and going "Oh God, I murdered so many people in the avalanche and almost killed my whole legion"
I mean, honestly, this isn't me talking you down or anything, but there are so many things above this one in the list of "things that don't make sense". The entire movie just seems random.
See I wouldn't have had a problem with them getting rid of the musical aspect of maybe they did what they did with reflection and have the instrumental in the background for the relevant scenes
They used it cause it sounded pretty with no regard for the lyrics and meaning of the song
That's who she is-a mass murderer! lol
Disney: “we cut the music to adhere more to the original story”
Also Disney: *doesn’t even get the proper housing Mulan would’ve lived in, something that could be easily googled*
Disney: “we cut the music to adhere more to the original story”
Also Disney: "CHI = MAGIC"
Disney: we can't have a talking dragon because it's not realistic, nor is singing in an army
Armies: (chant/singing) i don't know what you've been told
Disney: well...let's just add magic, shapeshifting, and a phoenix for realism. But no singing
Yeah, that was just the, being lazy. It’s more expensive to get a full village
@@MetaphoricallyRose No he(she?) meant the house design, it was from the wrong era (it didn't exist until centuries later) and region (the movie set in northern China while the houses showed are used in southern China)
Disney: “we cut the music to adhere more to the original story”
Also Disney: _hires a white lady with no background in Chinese history, mythology, or cinematography to direct_
I was so engrossed with the opera lesson I literally did a double-take and went “OH right, this is a Mulan video”
I'd totally listen to him talk Opera for hours, I'd love to hear all his thoughts on the subject 👍
I did the same thing lol
I saw this comment before I was even a minute in - congrats on top comment - and it still happened to me.
the smallest detail that really sent me over the edge was her taking her hair down to go into battle. I get the symbolism- *look now you really know I'm a woman because my hair is down* but let me tell you, my hair is staying up in a tight bun/pony while doing aerials across the battlefield.
yep I felt the same during that scene, it's like they are trying to convey woman empowerment but at the end of the day falls into the stereotypical femme fatale action movie where a woman have stereotypical lady appearance to become deadly. I get it that they want to show that woman can perform as man despite their appearance, but realistically I bet all women would rather have proper attire/ self-groom for each activity. Letting down your hair and taking off your body armour (to show breast?) just to show that you are a woman during a battle is so holywood style of thinking.
Literally I almost screamed at that scene. And like, she also took off most of her armor too. Like again it’s supposed to be a “I’m revealing my true self” moment but IT IS LITERALLY THE DUMBEST THING EVER like she took off her armor as she was heading INTO BATTLE WHAT
i thought it was funny because alot of people complained about the original when mulan cut her hair because men had long hair too but i said even if thats the case i would still cut my hair if i was mulan it seems like less hassle. that scene just reminded me of all the problems that could happen because of long hair and wind
Especially strange because men didn't cut their hair short in that time period, so long, flowing hair wouldn't be considered an explicitly feminine trait...
@@amandacantcometothephone even then tho despite the inaccuracy there is so much emotion in that scene that for some they might not care. which in the remake when it does their scene (of course they don't cut the hair) it's left very stiff because it just cuts to her wearing the armour with a blank expression and remake mulan is like this for the entirety even lines like "I would rather be executed" comes out of nowhere and you can't tell if she is saying that legit or she is saying it as a metaphor.
The thing that really infuriates me about the new Mulan isn’t the music. I mean, it’s that, but. The original was about how a woman, despite physical disadvantages and societal expectations, was able to distinguish herself in a male-dominated world. She wasn’t the strongest or fastest- she was just smart and driven. Any girl could do what she did if they put their heart into it.
In the new film, Mulan has supernatural powers. So, within the logic of Mulan 2020, women can’t accomplish anything significant unless they’re one in a billion. The rest of us can just enjoy whatever role society gives us. Our hard work, ingenuity, and minds mean nothing. Awesome.
EXACTLY! I knew from the moment I heard about her new chi powers that the remake would be garbage. The filmmakers literally missed the entire main theme of the original! Absolutely mind-boggling, I have no idea how they failed so badly to understand Mulan.
So much this! The original Mulan, especially in the I'll Make a Man out of You montage, showed herself to not be on the same level as a man AT FIRST, but she was smart and witty and clever, and turned that to her advantage. At the end of the montage, she was on the same level as the other soldiers, representing that despite her disadvantage, she was able to make herself as good as the rest of them with hard work.
Mulan 2020 is born with 'qi' (which, my gods, is not even how it works) and her SISTER is not. Mulan is shown to be heads and shoulders above the other men, and she has to do NOTHING to accomplish that. She is not smart, she is not clever, she's just stronger than men because fEmInIsM. And her sister is matched at the end of the story, and is happy about it. So unless you're this superhuman bAdAsS bItCh, you are NOTHING and need to be happy with 'your place'.
The original Mulan does things to become the person she is. She earns her spot into being invited by the Emperor onto his advisory council, which she DECLINES. Mulan 2020 does NOTHING to earn her place. She gets invited to become the Emperor's GUARD, and it's implied that she AGREES.
Don't even get me started on the fact that NO ONE working on the damn script was EVEN CHINESE.
@@smeissner328 To be fair, ALL of the Disney live action remakes have been garbage, not just Mulan
There have been 16 live action remakes so far and 14 more in the works
Here is a list of all past, present and future remakes coming from Disney, note that the dates on them are the original planned release date before covid screwed everything up
Jungle Book (1994)
101 Dalmatians (1996)
102 Dalmatians (2000)
Alice in Wonderland (2010)
Maleficent (2014)
Cinderella (2015)
Jungle Book (2016)
Alice Through The Looking Glass (2016)
Beauty and the Beast (2017)
Christopher Robin (2018)
Dumbo (2019)
Aladdin (2019)
Lion King (2019)
Lady and the Tramp (2019)
Maleficent: Mistress of Evil (2019)
Mulan (2020),
Cruella (2021)
Pinocchio
Hunchback of Notre Dame
Lilo & Stitch
Little Mermaid
Snow White and the Seven Dwarves
Sword and the Stone
Peter Pan
Tinkerbell
Charming
Rose Red (I'm guessing either a Snow White or Little Red Riding Hood story)
Jungle Book sequel (3?)
Fox and the Hound
Robin Hood
@@ravenbloom6732 Please see my post in this thread
@@ravenbloom6732 I couldn't agree more with you. Mulan (2020) was garbage and was made IMO in order to suckle at the teat of the CCP more than anything just like multiple US movies have in recent years whether it makes sense or not
For example, look at Kong: Skull Island. It takes place near the end of the Vietnam war, right? So why is a Chinese national woman taking part in the Monarch research team?
She doesn't even have an actual role in the movie really, they just introduce her in the briefing, say she's with the Chinese government and is basically never seen or heard from again
Even worse is Transformers: Age Of Extinction, for one thing, the movie assumes that someone can drive from Beijing to Hong Kong overnight when in actuality is 1227 miles or 1975 Km. Next, when the battle with the transformers starts, the Hong Kong officials ask Beijing for help which the CCP says that they will immediately and nothing comes of it for the rest of the movie
There are so many examples of this in recent American films it's getting ridiculous, introducing Chinese nationals into American movies for no other reason than to try to get into Chinese movie theaters and then not even letting them be part of the narrative, just letting the movie studios say "Hey, look over here, we've got a Chinese person in our movie, give us some of your money"
Mulan (2020) is quite possibly the worst offender of this because not only doesn't it make any sense from a story, which is far better in the 1998 animated movie but all of the controversy in the making of the movie as well, which I'm not going to get into
They don't just cut the song "Reflections" they also cut the moment of reflection.
Appreciating the musical nod literally requires you to have watched the original. What a stupid concept when a remake requires you to know the original to understand the emotion of a scene
It appears very little reflecting occurred at Disney during this production xD
@@DarthFerder It's just so hackneyed and lazy; they expect *you* to do all the work while they just half ass elements from the previous version like "you recognize this, right? Nostalgia, right?! YAY NOSTALGIA!"
That's why all of these remakes suck they not only can't stand up on their own, they don't WANT to stand up on their own. Love or hate the Maleficent movies, at least they're trying to do their own thing and will live or die by their own merit. But these other movies don't even TRY, and Mulan is the worst example of it yet.
I haven’t watched it yet and don’t plan on watching it but all I have to say is THEY CUT IT OUT?! That was literally one of my favourite songs from the classic Mulan!!!
@@miasome22 christina aguilera covered it for the credits like she did in the original but yeah i was sad to see there was no reflection :(( x
At the 8 minute mark I was genuinely like "This is really interesting, but why did I click on a video about opera again? Oh right, this was about Mulan."
Exactly, this was clickbait
Same.
I was just looking for Sideways opera video and was wondering "where was his talk about opera again? Oh right, it's in the Mulan video"
@@lyleinnoe2210 No it wasn't LOL
yeaaah, he only talked about it starting 15:00 , I was like "yeah interesting but really it could have been in another video"
it was doomed the moment they removed “a girl worth fighting for”, the tonal shift in that scene MADE a core part of the movie
Exactly! The juxtaposition of the happy, bouncy, "how do I tell my male friends that they're being incredibly problematic" number and the destroyed village with explicit child murder raised the stakes in a way that no other Disney movie has. They took the emotion out of the war.
@@Richard-441exactly. That whole thing just made the film so much more memorable-
The sudden cut seeing the destroyed town with the soldiers realizing they found the girl worth fighting for
When they found the doll at the end of A Girl Worth Fighting For...
...they found a girl worth fighting for.
@@gregoryford2532 I...I wasn't joking.
Omg😵🥺
@@gregoryford2532 Its called symbolism bruh. The girl they're fighting for is the girl who was slain by the huns and left behind that doll.
DAAAAAANG
Damn.
And on top of all that, cutting a girl worth fighting for also by necessity cuts the biggest emotional whiplash in the film--when they get to the village, the song cuts off, and it suddenly hits them that they're fighting in a war, for real, and war has consequences. Like, you can't make that work without the extreme high of the joyful chorus followed immediately by the realization of what this is actually going to be like.
Plus, the song plays into the overal theme of the movie...Mulan is kind of unusual in that it doesn't have the common set of songs for a Disney musical. There is no I want song, no side-kick song or anything like that. Instead every single song is about expectations and gender roles. "Honor to us all" describes all the expectations which are put on women (and mostly by women, btw), "Make a man out of you" describes all the expectation which are put on men (or soldiers) and "A Girl worth fighting for" describes the expectations men put on women. And "Reflections" is naturally about Mulan's inability to fit into any of those expectations.
Also we got no other song until the triumphal comeback of Make A Man Out Of You so even if the person watching doesn't notice it, the impact of the village scene lasts til half of the final act.
@@swanpride Reflection is definitely an "I want" song. In the movie it's indirectly stated as a question: "When will my reflection show who I am inside?" The question's derived from a desire for this outcome, and it's in response to Honor To Us All, the scene-setting and context for the audience against which her want contrasts.
It's even more explicitly stated in the full version of the song ( ruclips.net/video/TyeKQkOvjPc/видео.html ), where the second verse opens with the direct "I want" statement:
How I pray, that a time will come (
This is HUGE. That abrupt cut and segue into "The Deserted Village" is a musical gut-punch if there ever was one. It's got to be one of the cleverest bits of sonic storytelling in all of Disney.
@@ShjadeNexayre You could interpret Reflexion as I want song, but honestly, a "true" I want song is about the Protagonist stating what goal it wants to reach. Reflexion is more saying that Mulan doesn't know herself what she actually wants, but she really would like to know herself. The only "goal" you could attach to the song is the wish to fit in. And yes, I know the full version, but the full version didn't make it into the movie, and that was a really good decision. Reflexion was supposed to be a full fledged I want song originally, no doubt, but it ended up being more a song about self-Reflexion, which is exactly why it resonates with so many people.
"People don't sing songs when they march off to war." Girl, do you even know why drums were INVENTED?
Me, starting to hum "Johnny comes marching home"
Also military cadences
And bagpipes.
Leaves from the vine...
THANK YOU
Also, the part with Mulan talking about the rabbits running side by side was in the wrong place and didn't make sense. They have her say it in the beginning of the movie, before she joins the military. In the original poem, after Mulan returns home from the war (she served for 12 years and was never caught), she goes home and returns to her pre-military lifestyle. After some time, her soldier friends come to visit and are shocked to realize that she's a woman. The poem ends with her saying “When a pair of rabbits run side by side, who can distinguish male from female?”
That's pretty much Disney with a lot of their live actions. They will take something from an old source material and use it as a reference for some brownie points, instead of utilizing it in a way that serves the story and its characters or have it very meaningful.
"Look, see? We know the words to the original poem, we get it, were hip to it... now watch as the little girl does magic cartwheels off the roof"
"Damn she's thick, I'm gonna win Jeopardy tomorrow" is one of the best phrases I've ever heard.
Imagine Pavarotti singing this lyric instead of original Italian lol
Especially delivered in that mozzarella white voice that's *just* this side of expanding the consonants.
Technically not true, since the "Jeopardy" part happens before this song. It's more like "there's a bonus round and I'll win this one too".
"I've bored you to tears ranting about opera."
I must disagree sideways I've been dying for someone to explain opera to me for forever. And this was QUALITY
A whole video about opera PLEASE
@@laurenberck55 agreed, as a musically ignorant individual I'd like to know the intricate difference between opera, musical, and anything else in-between.
Yeah i'm not sure how Sideways doesn't know his audience is literally here for that
Opera is lot like Shakespeare or any of the dozen books they force you to read in high school. Everyone is vaguely aware of it, but unless you sit down and explain WHY it's important, no one cares. There are millions of musical theater fans that have no idea why they should care about Opera, despite Opera being a direct ancestor of musical theater.
I literally forgot this video was about Mulan lol. I was so happy to be learning about opera and musicals. Maybe it's not information I actively sought out cause I didn't even know where to start tbh but it's information I'm happy to have gained regardless if I'm unlikely to really use it. I want a whole and full breakdown about music in general, the genres, terms, vocabulary, THE WORKS AND ALL!! Honestly just knowing he enjoys talking about music is so fun and the fact it's informative is a major plus but his enthusiasm is the best :D
Even the black horse of the original has more personality
And it's not like it's hard to make a live- action horse have personality. I was a horse kid, I saw all those movies- it's possible, and apparently stonking easy since there's a metric fuckton of horse girl movies
My favorite cow
@@skarlettsapphire4065 hehehe i dont know, if i think this is great or stupid, so i likethe comment......hehehe damit
lol I'd say even the falcon had more personality lmao
The "Khanny baby, we need a ride" scene
I love that this man can spend 3/4 of a video titled “Why Mulan (2020) Didn't Work” talking about opera and musicals and it not only works but is also cohesive and entertaining. I miss Sideways SO much.
Did he stop making videos?- 😭
@@residentstar I don't know what happened entirely, but based on other commenters, I think he was harrassed because of some of his videos and stopped? Take that with a grain of salt though.
Me, too - I SO WISH he'd return!
@@the6597 Oh dear, that sounds horrible...!
@@the6597 Not exactly, the problem was in 2021 there were a string of unfortunate events around Sideways and he had to move. Not only that but he is unable to post because the copyright system is a cunt and keeps striking his videos even though they are under fair use.
“Literally the whole show comes to a stop and one of the characters has a therapy session onstage in musical form”
You did it, you broke opera down to its bare essentials
Or, hear me out,... bare necessities.
I'll see myself out
@@dmitriid I liked that one 👍
But then there is Wagner :D
Does this make NF modern opera?
@@dmitriid bear necessities
I don't think I'll ever get tired of people trashing this movie.
Nice pfp :)
@@ms.porter4385 Thank you. :3
Ooo if you haven’t seen a video trashing the cultural aspects of the movie I recommend this one ruclips.net/video/N3QKq24e0HM/видео.html she goes really in-depth where they dropped the ball (which is a lot)
Me neither, I find RUclipsrs trashing this flick FAR more entertaining than the film itself! 😂🤣
Yeah trashing bad movies is a far greater art than the average movie these days.
All hail Mr. Plinkett!
Also give us the Rise of Skywalker Plinkett review already!
They’re using “Reflection” the same way that the last three Star Wars movies use the Force theme. They’re using it as fan service instead of actually attaching meaning to it. Oh, and the same company made both. It all makes sense now...
And because they make money off of it, they'll keep doing it over and over. It'll never stop.
Different company, but it was the same with the music in the Hobbit movies. The theme for the ring wraiths was randomly used in battles in the Hobbit even though there were no ring wraiths. Because it sounded cool and that was all that mattered, apparently. -__-
This is such a perfect comparison 🙌
I think we can all agree that Disney, despite being bigger than they've ever been, is essentially dead. They're a soulless empty corporate shell of what they used to be.
@@johnnytopside2396 Or...and bear with me, they've always been a soulless empty corporate shell. It's just become more obvious.
I thought it was weird how the Reflections song kept playing as if it was meant to be a heroic theme, when it was originally a lament song. When I hear it, I think _"Mulan is sad about not being herself and she wants to fit in,"_ so hearing it when she's being heroic has such a big disconnect for me.
@@FluffyBunniesOnFire - The live-action film makes no attempt to redefine what Reflections means, nor does it swap between a minor and major key. It's as if the filmmaker said _"I want this moment to feel like Mulan,"_ so they dropped Reflections into the timeline. Since the film never established what Reflections is meant to evoke, by default I assign the original meaning it had from the animated film. Frankly, "Honor to Us All" was the main theme of the original film, as per the opening titles, so if they wanted to evoke a "Mulan theme," that may have been a better song choice.
@@TwentyPercentDash the "main theme" or "Mulan's theme" is the leitmotif that pops up in the score in Short Hair and Gratitude and like a dozen other songs
~WHAT DOES MY REFLECTION SHOW, WHEN I'M KILLING THESE DUDES?~
Opera is when a guy gets shot in the third act and decides he'd rather sing than bleed.
Why did I think of the Laurens Interlude
@@blessiemasancay4818 w h y
@@royal3809 idk ;-;
@@blessiemasancay4818 I mean... not the third act, obviously, but I guess I get it. But also, imagine if the ghost/vision version of Laurens, instead of singing three lines, just fucking writhed around on the floor and coughed blood. That would not be fun to watch.
@@baguettegott3409 sorry, sorry I actually pictured it and went Pfft-
One small, obscure detail that I hate in the remake is the reference to the original ballad. In the ballad, some of the last few lines go something like this
“When a pair of rabbits run side by side, who can distinguish male from female.”
In the remake she completely butchers it! She sees them RUNNING side by side, then says to her family “I saw two rabbits. A male and a female.” THATS THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE MESSAGE FROM THE BALLAD. The whole point is that on the surface, you can see the difference, but when they work together you can’t tell. It just made me so mad that she said the OPPOSITE of what the line from the ballad meant
雙兔傍地走，安能辨我是雄雌？that's the last line of the original poem, literally literally every kid learn it in elementary school *grade three*. It's not small and it's not obscure to EVERY Chinese.
@@doc0core They meant the detail that was in the remake, not the actual ballad itself :)
@@lotuscrest You missed the point.
@@doc0core It's clear that you have missed the point. You conjured up an insult that didn't exist.
@@AK-wb2ww you conjured up an misunderstanding that didn't exist. I was not insulted by the film. I was insulted that you AK knows me better than me.
0:55 They said it would be weird for an army going to war to start singing.
It's literally a genre of music....
It's like the one thing every army from every culture in every time has in common, they all had sang.
And some of them are really goofy. There's a French military march from the Napoleonic wars about how much the singer likes fried onions and how there will be no onions for the Austrians because they're all a pack of dogs.
the ‘clown/circus’ theme that everyone knows of was also a song that people marched to war to, i’m pretty sure
Army cadences exist for two reasons: to keep the soldiers marching in time, and to make fun of other branches of your military.
As a literal opera singer, I was not expecting to hear such an articulate, well done, explanation of opera when clicking on a why Mulan sucks video. Such good content mate, taught opera better than half of the professors I've met!
I was also happy about his explanation^^
I like opera a lot, but never heard a proper explanation.
Now I can proudly say I like Arias XD
Literally same😆
One thing I would like to point out though, is that Opera hasn't always been an amusement exclusive to rich and educated people: people from all social classes used to enjoy a good night at the theater watching the latest representation of Mozart's Don Giovanni or Verdi's Aida (of course, the rich could afford the best seats, and the poors had to be content with seats farthest from the stage, and with the worst acoustic), and some opera pieces were so widely popular that people would sing them on the street while attending to their business. Eg Giuseppe Verdi was so popular even within the poor, uneducated masses that on the day of his funeral people all over Milan broke into spontaneous choirs of his famous "Va pensiero" (which was also interpreted as a metaphor of italian condition before unification, and as such had been popularized as a hymn of the Italian Unification movement).
So I don't really know how it came to be that nowadays Opera is commonly regarded as an exclusive of the highest social classes that the common folk could never understand or enjoy, but since I have worked as a trainee italian teacher to foreign Opera singers, and I plan to become a teacher of italian language and culture to foreigners, i would really like to contribute to the death of this misconception, even though I myself am not the greatest fan of Opera.
In a video that has NOTHING to do about opera
@@lyleinnoe2210 have you watched the video? Cause if you just went off the title this makes sense, but if you watched the video then what happened.
“Why Mulan 2020 didn’t work” cannot be explained without a 10-part documentary. However, I accept this into the evidence pile.
I've been watching videos on it (w absolutely no intention of watching the actual movie) and maybe I should make a playlist at this point xD Schaffrillas covered cinematic flaws, Xiran Jay Zhao covered cultural fails, I think shad did one on tactical/combat fails, and now we've got musical+pacing fails. Plus a free opera lesson.
@@Soroboruo hope you also added Accented Cinema as well lol!!!
I'd watch that tbh
@@Soroboruo Agreed, I remember when I watched the movie I thought: this sucked. Then I go to RUclips and discover the 7-dimensional fail that explained why it sucked. Makes me appreciate the different lens through which one can analyze a movie!
Oh hey another installment of “watch sideways lose his mind over why Disney remakes make no sense”
Is it too soon to call this a cliche?
My favorite
*lose
Kenobi: that's, why I'm here.
I revisited original Mulan specifically because I heard "A Girl Worth Fighting For" out of the blue and the ending, that abrupt cutoff just hit me in the chest. Years after I last rewatched it, even without seeing what's happening on screen, I feel the emotional impact of what is by and large a fluffy number. You can't replace that.
It's also the last song in the movie!
"It's Lucky Charms with no marshmallows."
This sentence right here is probably the most concise and pithy a review that live-action Mulan will ever get or deserve.
But I literally hate the marshmallows in Lucky Charms bahahahah
Lucky Charms with no marshmallows is like my dream cereal, but yes it’s a good analogy
This is the exact point I had to pause the video because I was WHEEZING. It's so perfect.
@Cat Egorical I hate Honey Nut Cheerios and the marshmallows in Lucky Charms. Ever since I was a kid. To be honest, I don’t under why but I understand the metaphor since my sister would love the marshmallows
@Cat Egorical Wouldn't regular Cheerios be the same, not Honey Nut Cheerios?
@Cat Egorical It's less so people wanting the marshmallows and more... the rest of the cereal is just so unbearably bland. I never wanted to eat Lucky Charms because I thought the marshmallows were too sweet and the cereal proper was the exact opposite extreme.
“Damn, she’s thicc. I’m totally gonna win Jeopardy tomorrow.” I’m dead.
DECEASED. BEHEADED.
3:26
ikr that's so good
That's a film I'd watch
Turandot should really just be turned into a movie.
Alternate title:
"Let's talk about operas, and like 3 minutes of Mulan."
Fine by me, I love operas.
Can you tell me how to watch Operas? My friend and I thought one day "ah wow, there is an open air opera screening next to our place, lets go watch it" but we didnt know anything about the plot and I^m not sure now whether it had subtitles or not but we left after a while because we didnt understand anything and it was in italian.
Do you have to read the plot beforehand or how does it work? (I'm an ultimate noob in this, I'm sorry)
I have never been to an opera or watched it. Closest thing was watching that famous Bugs Bunny cartoon, reading and watching The Phantom of the Opera. Pretty pathetic but I’m poor and don’t understand Italian etc
So yeah, I’d like to hear more about opera!
@@xxMpEGxx Currently the Metropolitan Opera has a different opera each day on stream for free. A great opportunity to discover a huge repertoire. And if it doesn't suit you on one day you can always check in the day after. It also comes with english subtitles and usually a short introduction to the plot. The link would be metopera.org I think.
@@MistbornPrincess Phantom of the Opera is one of my absolute favorites and that's my second recommendation after Pagliacci.
For both of you,
It's a mix of an experience, some operas will have librettos (Small books) that have all the words and lyrics, and even stage directions, which you can use to follow along and experience, which is great when the opera isn't in a language you understand, but other times they leave things untranslated, which isn't all that helpful.
In this video Sideways talks about the recitative and the aria,
The recitative is most often what gets translated, if translating is being done, because it's about the story, it's telling you what's happening and driving forward everything.
The aria is often what ends up remaining untranslated, because it's less so about the words, and more about the emotion, the feelings, and I like to use Pagliacci as an entry point for operas because it has the most iconic Aria (In my opinion) and you don't need to know the words, you know Pagliacci has had his heart torn in half just from the feeling you get from it.
There's resources that contain translated libretti, such as www.murashev.com/opera/Pagliacci_libretto_English and so if you find an opera you want to watch, you can take a look to see if translations exist and follow along with it.
@@MistbornPrincess you don't have to be rich to watch an opera, as long as you have internet and the right resources you can watch one, or some of the pieces in them! I love opera, though I've never been to an opera house. You can try researching some operas up. A good starter might be The Magic Flute, La Traviata, or Carmen by Bizet. It's best to watch with subtitles so you know whats happening and read the plot on wikipedia or something.
Mulan (1998) has one of the best musical scores of any Disney film. Even as kids on the playground, us boys would sing “A Girl Worth Fighting For”. Good times.
“Damn shes thiccc, im totally gonna win jeprody tomorrow”
That's most of what I took from this, not gonna lie.
Yup it was but put it in the hands of an amazing performer (Pavarotti and Corelli), you're gonna side with him
jeprody
Put that on a shirt.
However as Sideways just pointed out in the description, he already won. Now the song Nessun Dorma is how he waits for her chic to guess the answer to his hard Jeapordy question which is his name
This movie is a dishonour on everyone's cows
LMTO
Zuko knows something about honor
Some cows had to be dishonoured twice cause there was too much dishonour and not enough cows. That's how bad it was.
This comment is a dishonour to everything in the universe, lmao.
A DISSONORU TO MAI FAMURII
What made me not care about the movie’s protagonist is that her main problem was hiding her amazing powers. They’re not even bad or cursed, which would make her hiding it more interesting, it’s just that she’s too perfect for the world to accept. I rooted for Mulan because she struggled. She had to struggle with her self image then find ways to not only become a capable solider but also find what is the best version of herself. This Mulan’s struggles were immediately over once she stopped holding back.
Not to mention the way the power is treated is completely asinine. Magical women in ancient China are not stigmatized, they’re valued as shaman and such. The whole idea of witches is completely foreign. Even more, even if she was accused of being evil or something, she would be accused of being non-human, like an fox spirit or something. This movie feels like the Monkey King was written with a combination of “My powers are so powerful no one would like me” fanfiction, an European plot pretext, and an attempt at female empowerment. Not only was the protagonist too perfect, there is no struggle or really anything interesting, and emotions and plot are just thrown in to limit the protagonist’s and antagonist’s powers.
I know this is a few years old at this point, but I frequently come back to rewatch these and had to say. Your knowledge and passion and how well you simplify tricky concepts genuinely is one of the most enjoyable things I've seen. Whatever you're doing these days, be kind to yourself and stay true to yourself because you're doing great shit
also Reflection is literally Mulan having an identity crisis so it doesn’t really make sense to have it playing over so much stuff
It's meta commentary for how this whole movie represents Disney having an identity crisis, being torn between pandering to it's western audience and pandering to it's eastern audience.
@@bengwynn935 this is one property Disney should just leave alone. All the politics surrounding it, it’s not worth it. You’re ALWAYS going to piss off someone
@@bengwynn935 if only they were self aware like that lmao
They couldn’t make “I’ll Make a Man Out of You” Mulan’s theme song, because, well obviously, that would undercut the whole “girl power” vibe, even though out of the two it’s the better option. There’s absolutely nothing empowering about “Reflection,” but “I’ll Make a Man Out of You” is pure hype from start to finish. That song gets me so powered up to defeat the Huns.
I came looking for trashing on Mulan, but I got trashing on Mulan and an opera lesson this is pretty neat
Disney was trying to be more faithful to chinese culture and the 1500+years legendary poem known as ballad of mulan.
First of all lets start with the replacement of mulan's name as Fa mulan in the cartoon to Hua mulan in the remake, Fa is the other dialect (which is Cantonese) that people in guangdong and hongkong used and that is not accurate since mulan lived in northern china (northern wei dynasty) not southern china and Hua mulan is the correct one and Hua mulan means as "blossom magnolia". The emperor's name "son of heaven" also taken from the ballad.
In ancient times man and woman had long hairstyle but styled in a different ways where man always made bun and girls comb their hair if you cut your hair it meant as a disgrace to your family thats why they took it off. mulan father was a noble war hero which was described in the ballad of mulan and her father trained her since she was a kid n it was accurate in the ballad that she already skilled even before she joined the army the animated mulan created different story by adding a sympathy that she didnt know everything. The phoenix fenghuang symbolizes both genders man and female n it suits mulan character as well as a replacement of dragon that cannot be used as a compannion, mushu was too direspectful since in chinese culture they potrayed dragon as big and powerful and often potrayed as the emperor not like tiny stupid little lizard with weird accent. The leader of the huns name also accurate to the ballad since they used "KHAN" because the northern invaders(the mongols or turkic) often called their leaders as "KHAN" but "BORI" was actually not the real name of their khan. In the beginning where mulan rides a horse and she finds out 2 rabbits running side by side was actually taken from the ballad and it is a metaphor. And the place where mulan lives not really that accurate it is fujian house it is located in china but not in northern china which every part of china has their own style of buildings. and the witch is a development character of the falcon from the animated. in chinese culture there's a woman who can shapeshift and it is called "fox spirit" or the nine tailed that use their powers to deceive people(evil spirit) with the practice of "taoism" which i thought that was a concept that disney has taken . Mulan identity has never revealed during the 12 years of war she was the one who revealed herself when her comrades visited her in her village and all of them were shocked but also happy and respected that mulan is a girl. The ending of the ballad was a metaphor from the 2 rabbits.
The inaccuracy in this movie were the concept of "chi" which disney described it as a super power . And when mulan fought the huns in the battlefield they called her a witch and that was confusing me.
I liked original movie , its the best ,but I like to new version of original movie Mulan ,like them both. Maybe you think I don't like new version, I like it ,but didn't know this video was explain opera singing and talking about new movie in modern version .haha
"Aria is when everything stops and someone screams their feelings to the back wall." My baby named Aria is really good at that. 🙃
Aria is a beautiful name for a baby ☺️
I was five minutes in and I remembered that this is a video about Mulan, this man managed to teach me more about opera than I ever thought I was going to know, while being interesting, in a video about Mulan.
I know this is a video about Mulan, but Sideways, I just want you to know: I have watched (all the way through) your Cats Movie Critique several dozen times now. I listen to it when I play video games, I listen to it as background noise while I'm cleaning, hell I've even used it to fall asleep. It's just so versatile for me. I should probably put this comment on THAT video, but I'm selfish. I wanted to give it the best chance of being seen by you. So, I'm putting it on the Mulan video. Which I'm now watching and which is shaping up to join Cats in my repertoire of "Videos By Sideways That I Can Watch While Doing ANYTHING."
lol, somehow... I agree. Love this channel and its content
Dedication
I use it as my workout tape.
lmao I listen to this kind of stuff while playing videogames too
I thought I was the only one, I love listening to video essays while gaming, cleaning or even sleeping
As the old saying goes "When the emotion gets to where speaking isn't enough, you sing. When singing isn't enough, you dance." Mulan didn't do any of that because there is not enough emotional impact that needs anything beyond dialogue.
For you none of them worked so you learnt how to use thu’um 👍😅
@@somenitrogenconsumer8859 wow
That’s profound
@@charleskulvet4911 as a bit of a musical theatre student, I'd say it's at least accurate
@@DrNeonGaming
I haven’t looked at it from that angle, but it reminds me of poetry (maybe singing itself is poetry in motion)
Poetry engages both our brain hemispheres, allowing subconscious thoughts to surface. Maybe even more powerful when joined with others
My favorite thing to hate about modern disney movies is that they seem to think shaking out your long flowing hair is empowerment
I guess it could symbolize "breaking free", but if it's their only shorthand for that, it just seems half-hearted
It’s not empowerment if the enemy can easily yank your hair or you can’t see what you’re doing because of your long ass hair that should had been tied!
Chi ≠ Realistic, DISNEY!
True. And they could save time by plugging in orchestration for Solsbury Hill.
The funny thing is that there is nothing empowering about this movie
And taking off your armor
Like I guess it's about not hiding your feminine body, but armor keeps you alive, what are you doing?!
18:33
That's the main issue I have with this movie. That it completely breaks the uplifting message of the original. The original movie's message was that while men and women are different in a variety of ways, the differences can be overcome by playing to your own strengths. You don't need to be someone else or even someone "special" to succeed and make a difference.
In this remake, Mulan is just good because of chi which is essentially saying that women have to have magic to even compare to men and I think that's incredibly sexist.
My least favourite change was definitely Mulan's super-chi. The 1998 Mulan wasn't physically gifted, she was just resourceful and willing to think outside the box. Her problem was that she found her gender role too limiting, and the overall message of the movie ends up being something along the lines of "these gender roles are too rigid, let people do what they want." In the new one there's no indication that Mulan isn't good at being a woman, or that the assigned roles for women suck, she just... has man powers for some reason. Putting aside the implication that masculinity is a literal superpower, the message ends up being "these gender roles are totally fine as they are, but this one character is going to switch roles." I have a feeling this was someone's idea of progressive, but taken in context with the 1998 version it's definitely a step backwards.
I never really saw the message as "these gender roles are too rigid," but rather "Do what you can do within your own abilities. Accept your differences and solve problems in your own way." It felt less about gender roles (I know that lent credence to the movie's plot, but it wasn't just about men vs. women) and more about finding your own way. Even amongst the men in the movie, there were unique limitations they each faced.
All in all though, I agree that this remake tears down the entire message of the original.
I think the chi and the gender-chi are even two issues. The gender-chi seems very hollow as a thought out idea like it's just "chi in women is bad because sexism" when they could've done something with it. Idk, make it that super-chi in men is usually different and having "man-like" super-chi is bad. So Idk, women super-chi would be about healing or soothing or something like that whilst we see the "male-version". Mulan having it as a woman could just break open the gender roles some more. That the way you super-chi works isn't bound to gender but to ones character/nature.
The super-chi in general bothered me because in the original Mulan worked for her skills. It was her own strength and mind that got her to be one of the top warriors. Here, it's just that she remembered she has this cheat-code and she has been perfect to begin with. Like that's the reason she succeeded. Giving her superpowers somehow felt more sexist because why can't she do it naturally?
As a Chinese person the whole super-Chi thing just pisses me off to no end. Chi is an essence of being, like blood, and gender role blood is just so dumb. I’m not criticizing super-Chi as a concept since it’s pretty common practice in power fantasy media in China, but even in those, the Chi is trained and honed for years until the user becomes super sayan or whatever. Not only does this make it seem that power is male dominant, it’s also inherent, that you’re born powerful rather than made powerful.
And one more addition, in the words of Knuckles the Echidna, “anytime someone calls attention to the breaking of gender roles, it ultimately undermines the concept of gender equality by implying that this is an exception and not the status quo.”
Well said!
Girl: *kicks an arrow*
Disney: "Cool!"
Another girl: *turns into a bird*
Disney: "Awesome!"
Guy: *sings about what kind of girl he likes*
Disney: "WHAT DOTH BE THIS SORCERY!? HE BEITH A WARLOCK!"
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Sideways (this vid's critic) is only half right. Yes it's the lack of the song and total lack of character, but it's soooo much more they fucked up. Just like Indiana Jones 4 that opened with those terribly CGI chipmunks you could tell that it was gonna be a shitty movie, so too with Mulan. You start the movie with a young Mulan that shows skills that even a circus acrobat would be jealous at (poorly executed though coz you can see on the feet that it's just wire work) and you know straight away it's gonna be Mary Sue Mulan. Hence the repeat of that 'reflection' song. But it gets even worse as when she throws off her armor and disguise, the ENTIRE reason for the entire movie goes to the fucking toilet and you realize that the writers cared absolutely ZERO about the story and all about empowering women... which they executed in such a poorly way that at best it looks like a mockery of female empowerment.
@@stijnvdv2 and how much they misrepresented Chinese culture.
Disney was trying to be more faithful to chinese culture and the 1500+years legendary poem known as ballad of mulan.
First of all lets start with the replacement of mulan's name as Fa mulan in the cartoon to Hua mulan in the remake, Fa is the other dialect (which is Cantonese) that people in guangdong and hongkong used and that is not accurate since mulan lived in northern china (northern wei dynasty) not southern china and Hua mulan is the correct one and Hua mulan means as "blossom magnolia". The emperor's name "son of heaven" also taken from the ballad.
In ancient times man and woman had long hairstyle but styled in a different ways where man always made bun and girls comb their hair if you cut your hair it meant as a disgrace to your family thats why they took it off. mulan father was a noble war hero which was described in the ballad of mulan and her father trained her since she was a kid n it was accurate in the ballad that she already skilled even before she joined the army the animated mulan created different story by adding a sympathy that she didnt know everything. The phoenix fenghuang symbolizes both genders man and female n it suits mulan character as well as a replacement of dragon that cannot be used as a compannion, mushu was too direspectful since in chinese culture they potrayed dragon as big and powerful and often potrayed as the emperor not like tiny stupid little lizard with weird accent. The leader of the huns name also accurate to the ballad since they used "KHAN" because the northern invaders(the mongols or turkic) often called their leaders as "KHAN" but "BORI" was actually not the real name of their khan. In the beginning where mulan rides a horse and she finds out 2 rabbits running side by side was actually taken from the ballad and it is a metaphor. And the place where mulan lives not really that accurate it is fujian house it is located in china but not in northern china which every part of china has their own style of buildings. and the witch is a development character of the falcon from the animated. in chinese culture there's a woman who can shapeshift and it is called "fox spirit" or the nine tailed that use their powers to deceive people(evil spirit) with the practice of "taoism" which i thought that was a concept that disney has taken . Mulan identity has never revealed during the 12 years of war she was the one who revealed herself when her comrades visited her in her village and all of them were shocked but also happy and respected that mulan is a girl. The ending of the ballad was a metaphor from the 2 rabbits.
The inaccuracy in this movie were the concept of "chi" which disney described it as a super power . And when mulan fought the huns in the battlefield they called her a witch and that was confusing me.
@@jalifritz8033 many of the parts of the live actions were accurate to chinese culture and the legendary poem . But i thought they were uninformed about "chi" concept. Mulan father at the very beginning told that "chi" is the boundless energy of a life itself. And the general donnie yen also said it "everyone born with it" both of them said the right thing but after some scenes and dialogues of the movie they forgot it and started to make it feel like a "superpower" instead of a "energy of life" . I understand that they were trying to make it like wuxia genre where people can run on walls and do the impossible movements its just an asian aesthetic style of a movie but i do realize when it connects with the wrong informations of chi people started to think that chi can make people run on walls etc 😂.The witch actually a development character of the falcon from the animated movie. There is a chinese mythology a "fox spirit" where they potrayed a woman who can shapeshift to a fox their powers is to deceive people(evil spirit) and absorb "chi" and use the practice of taoism which i think disney also has taken that concept.
“It’s like Lucky charms without the marshmallows” is the best way to describe literally all of the Disney live action remakes
Idk I think Cinderella was great.
But only Cinderella. The rest just make me sad.
And the pieces spell out “when women have the same cruel vile ambitions as men, that’s progressive development, yasss kween colonize”
Disney’s remakes are bad, but their _readaptings_ are generally good. Maleficient, Alice in Wonderland, and Cinderella did at least some original stuff to spice up their stories. We can trust them to make good original-ish content, seeing as the original Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, and Alice in Wonderland (as well as all the stuff being adapted to live action) are all classics in both the Disney canon and fairytale literature. They made their own Lucky Charms marshmallows for those films. I think that explains some stuff.
Perhaps it's just the nostalgia talking, but I really enjoyed Alice in Wonderland. That particular version of the Cheshire Cat is, at least visually, my absolute favourite, and will always have a special place in my heart
YES! I HATE this trend of live-action remakes.
I'm a theartical costume major, with 3 years of opera history classes under my belt and you just explained opera infinity better in 10 minutes that my teacher did in 3 years. It also explains why my teachers were such snobs when I said I wanted to do costumes for musicals lol. Thank you for that great description and I look forward to seeing more of your videos!
Viewers: isnt this video about Mulan?
Sideways, talking about the history and evolution of opera and how it became modern musical theatre: We'll get there when we get there!
#everysidewaysvideoever
Mulan 2020 failed to:
•Be respectful culturally
•Make good music stuff
•Make a good reperesentation of China
•Make Chinese people feel reperesented
•Make it realistic
•Have emotion
•Build characters
•Build relationships
•Make girls feel empowered
•Get the real message across
The worst part was:
The director/ producers mentioned they made the remake because they wanted it to be more culturally accurate, AND YET THEY MADE IT WORSE.
If anything, the original isn't that far away from being culturally accurate. They only flaw I saw in the original was the dinner scene where the family only ate rice and tea.
@Victoria Saade I haven't even clicked on the link and I think it's our beautiful deity, Xiran Jay Zhao
Edit: I'm right
Most importantly:
-include Mushu
@Victoria Saade
Yep! I watched that video before.
As an ethnic Chinese, I also hate 2020 mulan, chi can be quite bullshit
@@Raya-ir4tm it shouldn't be that hard to do both tho, it's their job. They said they wanted to be make it more representative, but they truly didnt care because they failed at that too and only made it worse :/
So are we gonna talk about the Patreon names "I don't trust anyone who isn't honest about their addiction to ice cream" "I Want You To Tell Me If My Fear Is Justified That No One Will Pay Attention To Me If I'm Honest About My Addiction To Ice Cream" I Worried that When I started the Ice Cream Easters Emotional Support Group" "stupid dog"
"It was too long before but ice cream dude is valid"
"Rose is a secret Sociopath and im oddly ok with that"
"Take That Rewind It Back Sideways Music Theory Make Your Braincells Go CLAP"
"You Shall Call Me The Pumpkin Queen"
"Ra-Ra-Rasputin"
"Russia's Greatest YEET Machine"
"EdithWithTheManHands"
i give up on typing
How more manic is the list going to get next time we see it, bets people
And somehow Justin Sargent got called out twice, what a lucky guy!
Ra-Ra-Rasputin Russia's Greatest YEET Machine
This. This perfectly sums up every single aspect of the problems I have not only with the reflakes, but Disney in general. As a GenXer, I remember Disney as a company that literally clawed its way back from the brink of extinction and rose to new successes. Just to get so high on their powertrip, that most of the films they have churned out in the past decade(Marvel/Stars Wars excl) is far worse than anything they came up with during their "Dark Age". I need to show this to my sibling, who just keeps sucking up these flawed productions as if they were candy, because "Disney!"
While I can admire and credit someone's work, I don't default to thinking something is good because I liked another thing they did. Summed up best as "I dont look at the name, I look at what they did."
Nintendo is incredibly depressing to me and my best explanation. The way they treat their fans is... not something I appreciate, put lightly. But I love quite a few games they made. What I've played is genuinely great. Just run by people that need to back off on the greed.
If you want someone to consume better media it also helps to show them better things :) don't disparage your sibling too much but show them something different.
is “reflakes” a typo or an intentional thing? and if so are u one of those weirdos who things “snowflake” is like. a good insult that still carries weight? 🫢
Musically, I have always found 'A Girl Worth Fighting For' to be one of the most important songs. Because it builds up this sense of comradeship, humour and laughs (all while addressing the pressing need for Mulan to remain hidden, which is shortly to come to the front of the story), only to suddenly stop with the massacre of the village. The mood shift between the two scenes just gives an extra wallop and that change in the music. I haven't seen the remake, but I find it hard to believe that it could capture that without the song.
from the clips i saw of the remake, it wasn't even CLOSE to the gut punch that scene was i the original. they seemed to think that if they showed all the piles of bodies that'd somehow make it more emotionally intense, but the soldiers are literally walking ON the corpses of their brothers-in-arms. it was like there was no attempt to recreate the horror of that scene and how it affected the protagonists, and if it doesn't affect the protag, how's it gonna affect the viewer?
It's also worth noting that beyond a chorus callbacks to Be a Man (and a leitmotif of Girl Worth Fighting For to REALLY punch you in the gut), it's also the last music number in the movie, nestled in just about halfway into the plot. It's the last time the characters get to be really goofy as the story shifts into seriousness for a bit, and the aforementioned callout only happens during the buildup to the finale as they gear up to save the Emperor. That scene is specifically designed to hit home just how horrifying the stereotypical bad guy really is, as we don't really see him face to face a lot.
Right? Even just thinking of that scene gives me a shiver every time, so powerful.
@@tastymedleys so true, I literally got goosebumps reading this thread
@@gratuitouslurking8610 I also felt it was to convey the horror and reality of war; up until that point in the movie the war had been talked about in the distance and in many ways the characters glamourise it and talk about the honour of fighting. As the audience we've been lulled into thinking of this is a Disney movie, with its songs and goofy side characters - how bad could any of it really be? That moment was the moment all the characters understood the gravity of their situation, and the moment we did too. They have been forever changed after seeing battle and, (like you said) after that point, the music never comes back except for those callbacks which are all about their camaraderie. But no one ever sings again. I think this movie could honestly be used as a springboard to talk to people about PTSD, it's just that good
And don’t forget how team Disney worked WITH and AROUND the internment camps
They tried being like, “it’s just 78 seconds!! Why are people mad 🥺”
Dude, it’s 78 seconds, you can’t get the B-roll somewhere NOT falsely imprisoning people because of their religion?
78 seconds is a lot of time in a movie, dismissing it as "it's just 78 seconds" is nonsense. 78 seconds is the length of a lot of action scenes.
@@browncoat697 Did you miss the part about internment camps or are you just that apathetic and stupid?
@@artificialraspberify they agreed with op and went further into it?
@@artificialraspberify dude they are agreeing with you chill
yah, and it's not like they were there for literally 78 seconds and then dipped out on the 79th second. they would have had to do a lot of things to get those 78 seconds of footage. and paid to do those things.
also fuckin'....are there no other places with rolling fields and mountains? MUST they have done it within the radius of literal concentration caps?
"Dayum boi she thicc, im totally gonna win jeopardy tomorrow" ngl, thatd be one helluva rap song
"They're specifically directing our attention to the gaping holes in the emotional fabric of the film" what a line 😂
Sideways: I’m sorry, but we have to talk about opera-
Me: *MY LONGEST YEAH BOI YET*
a 12h one i assume
YEAH BOI
And he shows Diana Damrau as the Queen of the Night as well. My body wasn't ready for my own *Y E A H B O I*
Every time Sideways says he is going to talk about opera I go Yeah Boi!
@@brodericksiz625 Seeing her made me so excited as well.
Maybe we could get him to analyze The Magic Flute!
"Damn, she thicc. I'm totally gonna win Jeopardy tomorrow."
I'M LITERALLY CHOKING
Sideways: "I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to explain opera."
Me: "Don't apologize, I've been waiting for this moment!"
that was good reducing, reusing and, recycling
@@human_collector0 What?
I don't come to Sideways for criticism on media entertainment. I come for advanced musical theory that I won't understand over criticism on media entertainment.
Yeah, but Mulan was bad and heinous for a massive amount of reasons.
Not 1, in fact.
And yes: Opera is boring.
If you had been my music history professor in college, I could have aced it. You made clear and obvious so many concepts that I struggled with in school in a fraction of the time
“The plot stops and someone has a therapy session on stage” probably the best explanation of what an aria is
Challenge:
Watch all of the Sideways videos and take a shot every time he mentions/references:
1) Howard Ashman
2) Opera
3) That one clip of Hugh Jackman explaining recitative
Then try to walk in a straight line
Can’t forget number 4, Leitmotifs
Dies irae
Forget trying to walk a line, try still being alive
I’m so here for this lmao
I can’t blame him for constantly bringing up Howard Ashman because I will go to my grave talking about the man.
I think the biggest problem with the movie is that they ruined the character of Mulan. They changed her from a young woman who uses her intelligence and wit to get ahead to a Mary Sue who is basically a Superhero. They made her completely unrelatable.
Exactly. That was from day one my biggest worry. Mulan sticks out even between the Disney Princesses because she doesn't really have a clearly defined goal. Her "I want song" is basically about her not knowing what she actually wants, outside of really desiring to have some place in the world. She doesn't go to war to prove anything, but she is a selfless person who wants to rescue her father. And she succeeds the moment she forgets about gender stereotypes and instead just relies on her own abilities, especially her smarts. I just knew that the people behind the remake wouldn't "get" this.
And from a purely feminist perspective, it is basically the Wonder Woman phenomen. Like, as happy as I was that we got finally a Wonder Woman movie, it didn't escape my attention that they changed "Amazones are women who got superstrong because they were able to develop without the interference from man, and Diana is the strongest between them, since she proved herself in a competition" (which was the back story in the TV show, which turned the character into a feminist icon) to "Amazons have been created by a male god to fight their war and Diana is extra special because she was specifically created to be a weapon against Ares". One story is empowering, the other is basically saying that Wonder Women is a special case. And that is exactly what they did with Mulan, she doesn't succeed as a standard women, oh no, she is just a special kind of women.
@@swanpride I didn't know that about Wonder Woman! That's very interesting, thank you for sharing :D
@@swanpride although to be fair, the first Wonder Woman movie focused more on Diana's internal conflict about humanity being worth saving over her conflict with powerful men
...at first...until they had David Thewliss fight her in CGI armor...
@@swanpride R.I.P. Cloris Leachman
honestly, from the first trailer, i was like "holy shit she's so boring it's probably gonna suck". never before have i been so satisfied to be right about something.
I've noticed after watching Into the Spiderverse for the first time that Mulan and Miles have very similar character arcs. Both characters want to figure out how to keep their identity and do well in the world at the same time, despite the heavy expectations placed upon them by their family culture and environment. If the producers/directors/etc had given the live action Mulan the same amount of care as Into the Spiderverse, maybe it'd actually have a reason to exist other than to secure more money from the Chinese government.
i could literally listen to you talk about opera for hours dude, be a nerd
Same.
Absolutely same, you are so good at introducing and explaining ideas
Ikr, I barely know a thing about opera but when you ranted about it at the beginning of your video I felt like I should be taking notes because it was so cool and informative
Same!
Plot twist: you probably already have
I’m raising my daughter on the 90s renaissance films. she can see these live actions when she’s old enough to cringe and laugh at them with me.
Excellent parenting there.
some of the newer ones I think are still good (non- life actions ones ofc) Like tangled or even frozen (once you get over how obnoxiously this franchise has been hyped up)
You'll do the world a Huge favor if you do so
The new jungle book was really good tho in my opinion. But that's the only remake I have a high opinion of.
You’re on the right path, for sure 👌
You’ve created my new favorite phrase: “aggressively laidback”
ah yes, 'mad lazy'
"Thtat's just, like... you're opinion, maaan."
@@A.F.Whitepigeon Very good. You are able to recognize that something being someone’s favorite is an opinion. Well done. You’re very smart.
@@jakethet3206 Obviously, you're not a golfer.
Oh, I've seen the movie more times than I can count, but your use of it here is just bizarre.
1:08 ~ 8:03 Opera Discussion
8:04 ~ 12:00 Musical Discussion
12:01 ~ 15:35 Disney Musical Movies and Remakes
15:36 ~ 22:30 Actual Mulan Discussion
Disney keeps saying they’re making these remakes to introduce the story to new people, but then expects everyone to know the story behind the songs. Like imagine not watching the original Mulan and being so confused why the same music and lines are being played in the background with no context
I'm just reminded of the Enterprise bridge crew talking about the Tamarian culture in "Darmok"
Data: "They seem to communicate through narrative imagery - a reference to the individuals and places which appear mythohistorical accounts."
Troi: "It's as if I were to say to you, 'Juliet on her balcony'."
Crusher: "An image of romance."
Troi: "Exactly. Imagery is everything to the Tamarians. It embodies their emotional states. Their very thought processes. It's how they communicate and how they think."
Riker: "If we know how they think, shouldn't we be able to get something across to them?"
Data: "No, sir. The situation is analogous to understanding the grammar of a language, but none of the vocabulary."
Crusher: "If I didn't know who Juliet was or what she was doing on the balcony, the image alone wouldn't have any meaning."
It's not like the stories went away. And making poorly constructed remakes won't convince people the story is good, if their first impression is that there's nothing impressive to look at. The presentation taints the story. Sure "new people" will watch a remake, being new in they weren't around when the original was released, but it's hardly as much of an art-sy goal as it sounds.
The only remake that stands on its own is 'Cinderella' (which I love to bits and will duel anyone who trashes it). It's not so much a remake of the Disney animated film, as a retelling of the Charles Perrault fairytale...which is why it works. None of the other Disney remakes are worth the airtime we give them.
@@chizzieshark I've gotta agree with you there. Most of the remakes are either forgettable or remembered for being bad. But Cinderella has one of the highest rotten tomato scores for a remake, along with, in my opinion, being just a tad better than the original. The original was definitely magical, but the remake feels very fresh too
Exactlyyyyyyyyyyyy
"The song is not about being a man anymore, its about being the best version of yourself you can be." Man I almost cried hearing that! You summed up the reason why this is the best Disney song ever (to me) in a way that I could feel but hadn't been able to put into words
My family sings it all the time and with that in mind, it makes the song even better!!
How could Disney screw up this movie so painfully bad when they're also the company that MADE THE ORIGINAL? How could they not add such an iconic song into a film that has literal magic and still call it "ReALiStic" and "CuLTurAlly AcCuRAte"?
@@wilsonjonah because new director
plus they know they dont have to work as hard to make a good film because its garanteed to make money
@@wilsonjonah You dont have the same genuis minds behind these remakes. They only care about nostalgia baiting people and putting recognizable names in the cast instead of actually talented people. I dont get why people are giving them more money when I think we've seen enough remakes to know they're going to fucking suck. Even if you're interested in seeing the failure, dont go to the theater, just use your existing Disney Plus to see them after theater, pirate them, just don't give them the box office money so maybe they'll fucking stop.
@@plantlady42069 The way the company is now, especially being on the side of child groomers, I have absolutely no qualms about pirating their films now.
And now,
Yar har, fiddle de dee! Being a pirate is alright to be, do what you want 'cause a pirate be free! You are a pirate!
The clip of Mulan (1998) giving the doll back to the little girl made me cry because even before she decided to take her fathers place she had a heart that wanted to help people. When she saw or heard something unfair, she spoke up and did what was right. She was meant to be a hero because it was in her heart to help others all along. She didn’t have any special powers, she wasn’t the chosen one. She wanted to protect her family and her country; through hard work, she realizes her own unique power and is able to save many lives. It is a really beautiful story. I feel that the changes in the 2020 version turns Mulan, someone who originally worked hard for their success, into a Mary Sue who can never fail, which makes the happy ending feel more empty and less earned.
I just realised -- she gave the doll to the little girl in the beginning and she also found the doll abandoned by the dead girl in the destroyed village. I swear the animated movie has so many small details and recalls like this, I know it by heart ever since I was a child and yet it still unravels pearls like this one. The live-action is so flat, soulless and in the face it feels like an insult to creators and audience alike.
The 1998 version showed us an ordinary girl saving her country by doing the right thing through hard work.
The 2020 version showed us a chosen one who destined to save the country who, unfortunately, happened to be a girl.
I heard someone say that by the time the girl worth fighting for song ends, they have found their girl worth fighting for in the little (supposedly) girl in the burned village who left her doll behind. That that girl- and others like her are the 'girls that you would fight a war for' not a perfect housewife, nor a beautiful spouse. The children that they will fight to protect. And that observation has made me cry several times upon randomly remembering it.
There are so many frustrating things about the remake, but my personal pet peeve is the removal of the arrow-retrieving scene. It showcases her determination, outside-the-box thinking, and she uses an approach that doesn't rely on pure strength, so her ability to be the first to achieve it is believable.
Obviously, throwing out Make a Man Out of You is dumb, and the reasoning for doing it is also dumb, but replacing that major moment with...the water buckets (which were also in the original, but just as one part of the montage showing how she/the group is improving) is so anticlimactic and not nearly as effective. It's a pure strength/endurance challenge (and I guess some willpower), and it's not nearly as powerful a moment when she's just...strong enough to do it after a while.
Like, I could understand the desire to do something different with a remake. But what they did was cut the climax of that montage and replace it...a minor piece of that same montage. If they created a new scenario that hit the same themes as the animated movie's arrow retrieval, I'd at least give it respect for originality.
"Budget twice the size of Cats"
Me who just came from the Cats video: You mean the money that went into this is enough to fund half of a space shuttle? Why isn't Disney doing that instead?
lets not encourage more corporate entities to invest in space colonization. i don't want to end up living The Outer Worlds.
Because it won't make them any money, at least not for hundreds of years anyway. Meanwhile these movies make them billions every release.
Is The Outer Worlds as cool as it sounds? :D
@@jlupus8804 if you liked fallout, you'll love outer worlds. I couldn't get into it, but it's a great game.
yooooo i did the same lol
You describing Nessun dorma as: "Damn she thicc! I'm _totally_ going to win Jeopardy tomorrow" has *MADE* my 2021 so far. That's gonna be hard to beat.
The whole crux of the movie was that she was ordinary - just an average girl living her life, and what made her special was she made a choice. And she stuck with that choice even in her lowest moments. It was never about her doing something big/grand, it was loving her father and not wanting him to die - and finding herself along the way. They took away her choice by giving her a magical destiny.
And it also sends an awful message to children. YOu have to be born special to be able to compete. Like seriously who greenlighted that script.
Fans related so hard to Mulan because that struggle was so familiar - not fitting in, feeling inadequate, trying to do the right thing anyway in spite of these feelings, working to improve yourself. And the visuals in the movie - Mulan wiping half the makeup off, cutting her hair, falling over in her training and watching Shang finish the task for her, and then reaching the top of the pole with the arrow! It kills me how Mulan 2020 gutted all that.
@@amyness3452 Well, in a way the message is horrible, but quite correct. It's a bit ''welcome in the world''.
@@Hvginn No, the beautiful thing about a lot of the world is that anyone can succeed. You don't need to be born special, you don't need bastardized Qi powers or anything, you just need good strategy and a work ethic.
@@amyness3452 Well, the thing is meritocraty doesn't existe. I'm juste talking about sociology, if you're born in the wrong place at the wrong moment the probability that you succeed as well as those born with a silver spoon is low. Not non-existent, but low and based on luck, mostly, even if when you're on the top it's hard to say ''Oh, I only here by mere luck !''.
Sideways i wish you'd come back to talk about how the recent movies/adaptions (like Wish and new Mean Girls) aren't working PLEAASE COME BACK YOUR VIDEOS ARE TOP TIER
This is a well edited and well written video that methodically killed whatever desire I had of even bothering to see this film
I'm more impressed that you had desire to see it in the first place!
@@ohno8398 Well, I watched it because the original Mulan is one of my all time favorites. And I saw the trailers and thought, "It can't be that bad" and I was wrong.
Holy cow your everywhere!
Watch the actual chinese mulan movie it's way better and also available on youtube
@@nadyanathania3847 link and/or search term?
I worked at a theatre for almost ten years and I came to really love Opera. Fun story: we once had a guy who complained that our theatre's version of "Parzifal" was "too short" - only five hours instead of six. He was outraged. I was too tired at that point to care.
"I made it bad, as a joke"
Disney, probably.
@Fkeu "We're bleeding (money), making us the victor!" - Disney Accountants, probably.
@Fkeu I don't know the origin of the joke, I've just seen it around somewhere.
Years later, i rewatch this and i had another point related to the video:
You've got a movie set in China, and they're doing the wire- fighting kung fu thing. A good kung fu movie is literally structured like a musical, the characters talk until they're too emotional and then instead of bursting into song they fight. They could have just taken advantage of the different film style and essentially made the same movie with fighting instead of singing...
People who think breaking into song is unrealistic have clearly never played sports with the boys/girls. I know for a fact that everyone in my old gym class knew the full lyrics to several songs because of it
Y’all just start singing songs during matches??
@@DeathnoteBB I had classmates who break out into Mulan songs working on assignments in our programming course.
Also when getting home after a night out! And when walking and being tired! And...
People who argue that have clearly never been in a random Bohemian Rhapsody moment when someone just starts humming it and eventually the whole room is singing at the top of their lungs
These executives clearly didn't watch Remember The Titans which is also a DISNEY PRODUCT!
Sideways: You guys don’t want to hear me talk about opera.
Me, a life-long opera lover: Please, more. I love hearing people talk about opera.
Edited because hundreds of people have already seen my horrible phrasing/grammar. So embarrassing.
This!!
Yes make a whole video on it please!!
This was my immediate thought, possibly while singing an aria from dido and aeneas. Don't judge me!
@@AdumbroDeus Ha yes I love Dido and Aeneas! Joyce Didonato sang some arias in one of her albums and they are sublime
@@emilyperkins7626 it's so good and largely forgotten it seems which annoys me.
“Well, basically there are two sorts of opera," said Nanny, who also had the true witch's ability to be confidently expert on the basis of no experience whatsoever. "There's your heavy opera, where basically people sing foreign and it goes like "Oh oh oh, I am dyin', oh I am dyin', oh oh oh, that's what I'm doin'", and there's your light opera, where they sing in foreign and it basically goes "Beer! Beer! Beer! Beer! I like to drink lots of beer!", although sometimes they drink champagne instead. That's basically all of opera, reely.”
― Terry Pratchett, Maskerade
why did i have to scroll so far to find a terry p reference?? GNU TERRY PRATCHETTTTTT
God I love Terry Pratchett
Pratchett was a genius.😁
*That fact that the director didnt have experience with musicals and is trying to recreate a musical says a lot.*
Disney: “Then you're gonna have to trust me!"
Everyone: *nods*
Everyone: *gets slapped by Disney again*
Disney is not the same Disney we grew up with. Walt's vision for fueling the imagination and dreams of children is gone. It's all about the money now. Very sad.
@@mdg6117 That's exactly what Disney was about all along. Walt Disney didn't set out with the goal of bringing a smile to the face of every child when he created his media empire, he set out to make a shit ton of money.
The only thing that changed is that Disney now has market dominance over the entertainment industry, so they don't have to try anymore.
@@PhileasLiebmann Yeah that very well may be true. I am not against anyone wanting to make money but today they really don't give a shit about the product anymore. At least teams on the Renaissance films had passion and love for their art and it clearly shone through. I also think dropping artistic talent for CGI was also a horrible decision, but again probably saves them time and money. And of course, the push for mainstream celebrities to bring ratings up has also backfired. Back in the day, they hired a singer/actor for their talent. They favoured Broadway and classicly trained singers/actors and now they will pick whoever is popular in Hollywood to entice people to come see the movie, even if they don't have the chops to back it up.
China*
I trust Disney will help Kugali make original African content. I don't trust Disney to make any musical films about it.
"When they aren't singing about hitler" is not a phrase I thought I'd hear in a mulan review
Becuses they took out mushu claiming that’s it not realistic , but some how a falcon lady is ....🤨
Not to mention that despite Mushu's comedic aspects, he is still a Chinese styled dragon, whereas this movie has an Egyptian styled phoenix
I was so confused when I saw this movie because they made such a big deal about how realistic the movie was going to be. I honestly thought I was watching the wrong movie. Talk about false advertising!
Mushu's also arguably more Chinese than Falcon Lady. With Mushu, they definitely included *some* Western elements, like having him breathe fire since he's a dragon, but overall, he still more strongly resembles Chinese dragons. Meanwhile, witches, like Falcon Lady, as an element of folklore are distinctively Western and not at all Chinese.
Honestly if someone told me the Chinese Gov't was just giving Disney stupid ideas and snickering everytime Disney blindly accepted it as totally a thing in Chinese culture I'd believe them.
@@justineberlein5916 yeah, there's no witches in Chinese culture, let alone is most asian cultures. It's usually a priestess of some sort but they're usually highly praised and respected so ??????????
That's like basic knowledge of asian history, I see it all the time in asian historical dramas but apparently that's something they missed????????
My problem with Mulan was also the weak female main character. In the original animated movie, the viewer sees Mulan struggle, sees her try and fail, and fail, and fail again, only to in the end, through hard work arrive at success. And that success feels so satisfying.
In the live action, Mulan doesn't have to work for any of her fighting skills. She has them from the start because she was magically born with them. That makes her character so much weaker. And I think it's also part of the reason why so many people didn't like the movie.
Most of us are not extraordinary, but quite ordinary. We like to watch movies that tell us that you can be flawed and imperfect, but, through hard work and determination, come out successful at the end. The live action just teaches that a few chosen people who were blessed with magic from the start can be successful if they just believe in themselves. That's not something most of us can identify with very easily.
Audiences don't like perfect characters. They like flaws and struggles. We want to feel like the character we're rooting for in the end deserves the success they achieved.
I highly recommend watching Xiran Jay Zhao's take on live-action Mulan because she goes over the mistakes the film made, especially on a cultural level.
Xiran Jay Zhao goes by they/them
@@pdvzh7184 I already know that currently. It's been months since I made this comment.
@@FiredraPhoenixhawk that’s cool, and I’m glad your comment is directing people to their videos as I’m sure that they’ll learn more about their culture
They’re funny as hell, their anger is witty and well structured, their outfits are gorgeous, and they launched a sci-fi feminist book off of that first Mulan review. I think they’re working on a sequel? Anyway we stan
Best slaughter of the live action mulan hands down.
@@pdvzh7184 genuinely curious, what does this mean
I'm actually surprised he hasn't talked about The Hunchback of Notre Dame, that Soundtrack is soooo good
I'd love to hear him discuss how it converted from a movie to a stage show; I think it'd be interesting to see his thoughts there.
@@ShayLaLaLooHoo Agreed
To me hell fire is one of the best villain songs.
@@Olivia-dg4fb Sideways does touch on how that's a good villain 'I want' song in cats
Hunchback is Alan Menkin's magnum opus. It is an absolute musical masterpiece.
*Mulan 2020 doesn't work because:*
She is perfect from the start. She doesn't struggle, she doesn't learn and she's never out of her comfort zone. A perfect character =/= a strong character. Struggle =/= weakness.
And worst of all... *in the end of Mulan2020, she bows to the patriarchy, literally* whereas in the original *even the emperor bows to her* for what she has achieved.
Its a twisted, empty and sterile movie. And quite conservative.
Everything Sideays said, plus your comment PLUS they ruined the father-daughter relationship which is another key part of the story. I get so mad, don't think any of the other remakes have annoyed me as much (except maybe Jasmine's Speechless song, in the original she was always outspoken, rest of the remakes are just meh)
also they "promised" to be accurate to Chinese culture but bastardized the concept of Qi (which is basically life force in ALL people not just men), added witches which aren't a thing in Chinese mythology, added that phoenix-rises-from-ashes bullshit which is EGYPTIAN NOT CHINESE, got the time periods of the fashion wrong, AND SO MANY MORE
I actually vocally gasped when I watched a review after rewatching the original movie and heard mulan say "I know my place" and that be treated as the thesis of the movie when it was the antagonistic view of the original
The main actress had three expressions throughout the movie and two of them did not require any facial movement whatsoever. She looked like a botox ridden 50 year old crone, struggling to emote. Her delivery did not help too. I've read somewhere the Chinese audience mocked her for her lack of affect and inability of emoting.
@@azmodanpc You're not wrong, we think her acting sucks too.
We miss you sideways, you don’t have to come back, but we hope you’re doing good ❤
"Recitative is why people don't listen to opera anymore" OMG I'm an opera singer and I'm SCREAMING LOL
Also, I gotta add: if the recitative is THAT boring, the singer is doing something wrong
I’m kinda dying over here. Thanks for the laugh.
@Renato Barros Careful, judicious screaming, yes 😄
@Reed Mullican is that Aria screaming or recitative screaming?
When I was a little girl Mulan was my favorite Disney movie, and it still is. What was glaringly terrible about this movie (other than the lack of music) was how they made Mulan basically a superhero. What made Mulan great was the fact that she was a normal person, just like her fellow soldiers, went through the same training as them, and was STILL able to be a formidable force. Her power wasn’t anything magic or supernatural, it was her mind. That’s what made her dangerous. Mulan sucks the life out of that and gives that impression that Mulan is only so great because she utilizes those powers, not because she trained hard and used her mind. She has a couple intelligent moments in the 2020 film but they just make her seem like this perfect hero. It’s so disappointing.
I haven’t watched it because it looked bad... BUT I HAD NO IDEA THEY GAVE HER SUPER POWERS!!! WTF?? That is NOT the story of Mulan nor the lesson. Yeah, 100% not watching it now.
OG Mulan:
- Fails at the beginning
- Works hard, uses her mind to succeed
2020 Mulan:
Look i have sUpErpoWerS :D
This is the 1 reason this movie was a no for me. They took all of her agency away.
Nail on the head. Sat down to watch the 2020 Mulan and within the first 5 minutes I was instantly turned off by this fact right here. How DARE Disney take away all of Mulan's character development and make her magical? That's not the freaking point, how is that more realistic? It's freaking not. I literally refuse to watch the rest of the movie because I knew within those first 5 minutes that it wasn't going anywhere. If you're hero has no room for growth, it's not a good story. Period.
@@dennagrey8055 not gonna lie, it also feels sexist. In the original, Mulan is just a normal girl. She trains alongside these adult men and does BETTER than them. But in this one she’s great because she has “powers”. They tried to impart a completely different “feminist” message that nobody wanted.
Nobody asked for it for one. It also goes without saying that most of the soul was lost when they took out the music and mushu.
It just didn't translate at all to live action with the plan disney had and was doomed to fail (even if theaters were open).
The problem is that they had to go either similar to the original, just a good reboot/refresh, without changing the essentials OR actually go with something more realistic, down to earth, nearly historic movie feeling. But instead they took out the good fantasy/non realistic elements and replaced it with bad ones that didn't add to it at best (like the phoenix) or completely demolished the immersion and story.
While I don’t think this live-action re-make was good for some of the reasons you stated, it’s silly to open your argument by saying ‘nobody asked for it’ lmao. ‘Nobody’ asks for most art. Being asked for doesn’t make a piece of art more valid/important/relevant/good.
@@DDoubleEDouble Unfortunately, that tends to be the major argument when people try to defend these movies. Sometimes it just needs to be stated
i always found it funny how they say «people dont sing in real life like musicals».
unless you are soldier, or a worker in some random factory, places or jobs where people sing, not just to sing, but more of a moral boost or even as basic of maintaining a rhythim to work.
Mozart saying "bullshit" is the best thing ive heard all week and i dont know why
Mozart: *has an actual piece dedicated to shit*
@@ecstasycheese7390 really? Which one is it?
ruclips.net/video/C78HBp-Youk/видео.html
Mozart was a fucking madman.
@@TomEyeTheSFMguy One's called Leck Mich Im Arsch and yes, those words mean exactly what they look like, it literally reads word-for-word "Lick Me In Ass"
Mozart made a lot of references to poop tho, to the point where theres a whole wikipedia on it with even more compositions referenced lmao.