Growing AJs Sour Diesel LS bought it in 2015 . 1 seed kept cold for 8 years . Sprouted 2023 .Harvested , selfed and keeping the mother in Quito Ecuador at 2850 mts high. Thanks to the legends 💪
Sour Diesel is prob my favorite. Growing up and being from NYC/NJ i remember some strains that are now lost, like chocolate thai, northern lights, skunk, haze and sour diesel. Funny how so many claim to still have some of them. The Sour that I used to get back in mid to late 90s was so loud and DIESEL smelling that if you had it, EVERYONE knew and it blew your house out smelling like it. There was absolutely no way of masking the funk coming off it, it wreaked so bad it was like gasoline. Straight DIESEL fuel aroma. Even a small bag of it you knew who had it lol. Man i miss that, and the REAL haze too. That haze had a high that hit reeeal different too.
The real haze is still around, look up boneyard genetics in NorCal he has the real haze called haze 4 daze 25 foot tall plants 8-10 pounders and a psychedelic head high
I love the old Sativa high , it is another level of consciousness actually. The Indica is a body high and glues you to the couch i do not like. The Chocolate Thai was two toke limit for novice smokers as it keeps creeping up on you as you smoke and then you go higher and higher scary strong intense high .@@happycamper1486
I just saw Nl#5 x skunk 1.I didn’t get it I’m kicking myself got some Jealousy It hits hard but these idiots don’t let it go another week or two and quick dry it smells like fresh cut grass nowadays
Bought a piece at dead show from a guy who went by the name Chem who threw in a sick baggie after I tipped him because the piece was amazing. Not sure it was him but damn the piece is still amazing and has been incredibly strong and has survived all these years. His VW bus was epic.
ECSD best strain i ever smoked, nothing comes remotely close in my book. I've been trying to find the real sd and have over 50 different varieties and still i cannot find anything remotely close to the original Sour Diesel that was circulating back in the day. I have had the pleasure of trying that real clone and man i have been chasing it down ever since. To this day i still cannot find anyone who still has it. Nothing comes close to the original ecsd hands down the best of the best, those who tried it will agree, it is amazing.
agreed 100%. I had the ECSD and she put my NYCD to shame. Lost the mom to a freak accident 2 years ago and still havnt gotten over it. I plan to go to Cali in the spring just to search for the cut. I hear darkheart has the legit 1
@@bongdonkey ummm darkheart is legit... you lie and say they have mites then put jk? Why?weird... if ur gonna piss on someones name, man up to it. Don't pussy out
It’s Sour because of what it did to relationships. It was a hairy situation holding that cut and running it in growing/selling circles. That cut took the NY game to a whole other level overnight. It changed the game in NY. If you were working that cut everyone else that didn’t have access to it was extremely Sour
I've had a cut of SD for 12 years now. Found the phenos I liked and kept alive since. Been treating me good ever since! Had to fight to get the cut! SD forever! Looking into TC so I can keep it for ever! The real SD! It'll blow your mind, greasy!
@Tony Camaj yea I usta get it from ma pot a put n just like it's gon r.i.p ta a real soljah but man dat real sour u Kno it when u see it n man best smoke ever shit have u floating on air
I was born in '92 so that puts me at 32 this year. Sour Diesel obviously predates me but my experience with it was around 2008-2009ish +/- a year or so while Iwas in high school. I was getting bud off a kid a year or two younger than me who was connected to some graffiti writers from a pretty notorious crew. They had this connection on what they were calling Sour Diesel that was allegedly being grown in trailer homes out in Apache Junction AZ. AJ area was/is known for cooking meth as there are so many trailer parks. This bud had that bud structure Sour Diesel is known for. Pretty sure it was some type of hydroponically grown bud. It was always so fresh, fragrant, and sticky!! In retrospect and having my personal grow experience now it was a bit tooo freah. The bud would literally stick to the bag!! And It was LOUD!!!! (Pun intended!) For real, like other folks commenting are saying people would know you had it BEFORE you even pulled out your sack or made it known you had one. They had it for about a year and then I got in the game and established my plug based on personal relationships. Wish I had made that connection on the SD myself
Just cured some. It's really a strong sativa. 3 good hits is all I need. Prior grow I harvested too early and it's very weak. I've learned to let ALL my plants flower longer.
@@ezanakassu get away from crop king! They're definitely not the creators of Blueberry Cookies. Look up Irie Genetics if you want great genetics for a reasonable price!
My story starts summer of 10th grade. 1988. One of the smarter things I've done throughout was saving the elite genetics. It's cool seeing some other "old timers"
I graduated in 88...to bad we didn't know to keep the cuts going...I had a friend who had the northern lights line..dude was a great grower ..did nl crosses & would give us seeds ...great weed
This guy is so spot on...I was waiting to hear him refer to NY...if he'd said anywhere else he would have been wrong...I was connected to those guys when they went to Holland...but yessir that started right here in NY in my hometown...great interview
At the D&C dispensary in Steamboat Springs, CO, the owner, who had lived in Crested Butte, had photos from the late 1980's of outdoor dogbud. From what I could tell he had worked with the same genetics for years and had seeds. This was around 2011.
@@entropygardens7253 since the chemdog clones all came from bag seed, the question has always been what was the mystery bag of nugs? The location and old photos along with details corroborated from chemdog and pbud about the purchase place etc all fall together. Growing dogbud outdoors near crested butte in the late 80s he was probably involved without knowing it.
Damn, I hate that I missed this! Awesome discussion of sage n sour, which is one of my all-time faves. Eight years ago I was busted and did nearly five years in prison. That hurt. But what hurt the most is losing my four different keeper phenos of sage n sour--two of which came from the same pack of seeds. I'm growing it again...8 years later, but so far have not found a pheno that compares to those four. This is a really special strain. And you guys are awesome. Thank you so much for an insightful and informative conversation.
The best feature of sour diesel was its instantly uplifting high... very fast onset... the taste too. The buds werent as rockhard as some hybrids but potency was A1
As a small time breeder i love to hear you guys talk about how its meant to be shared i started making seeds bc to many are ridiculously expensive and tbh most are good but nothing special really atleast most of them but even true fire should be cheap as ur the one doing the work you can have great genetics but suck at growing or drying and curing so seeds should be cheap
I wonder how it's even possible to have a "pure" cut going around for so long times, I mean there could always be someone who pops some random seed and gets something that's almost the same as the cut going around, weither it's OG Kush from the US or Cheese from the UK. There were and are probably millions of skunk1 phenos or even phenos of way different genetics that have all the characteristics that would make someone say "yes that's the cheese/kush/whatever, I'l take x amount of clones" - and from there it could spread exponentially and completely diffuse what the original even was after just a short time. Not to mention the genetic drift that's occuring anyway along with false memories so even those people who 100% have the original clone since x amount of years can't be sure how much it really changed even if making notes every day etc.
@Eris Sanis i believe in subs eyes him saying chocolate he meant chocolate… but I never smelled it myself but I’d say if it’s coffee it’s probably a different pheno of cuvée
Headband and Sour Diesel are sister plants. Those two always came together. I don't trust anyone regarding diesel if they can't tell me something about headband.
@@carrottoponcrak sour is sour pine funk . Headband smells like straight puppy breath. The nastiest funk you can imagine. A nug in the car smells like a few open pounds.
@38:00 in is me explaining what "SOUR DIESEL" is to everyone in my whole life. I'm still searching for it from when I had it 10 years ago and after getting to Cali in the Bay Area and finding out that the "Sour Diesel" here really isn't sour diesel at all it has truly been a really awesome experience to know that I have had that strain and am now also on the hunt for the REAL SOUR D! I have to admit that finding out where this story of terpene chasing has taken me has been so cool just hearing all the stories and connecting all the dots. I'd love to see what everyone is doing and has nowdays as to what they think the real sour diesel is or what's close to it as it was. I definitely feel like it's a story that needs to be made more public and that people should have a piece of media to watch to know the whole story. Great story guys! I'd love to meet and smoke with you guys! Blow some glass and talk about bud and grow some good phenos
I went to the first cannabis farmers market in Lucerne valley advertised in high times the facility was trying to sell me some BOG seeds They didn't look good I picked up some seeds from a big guy in a straw hat They were Cosmic Light's He said it a cosmic kush crossed to the closest queen which was a northern light's That was used for everything I never bought seed's again
We had really great super silver have up and over this way in the 2000s. So strong. Pungent. Was the beginning of the "kush craze" lost the Super Silver and the good Sour Diesel when the kush started to appear.
I use to get the best Sour D out of WNY and havent seen it since the homies stopped growing it. All the SD in CALI dispensaries are not sour D. It was and still is the best strain I have ever had. the homies use to move bows from 6-8k and you couldnt contain the smell lol.
“If we had the old strains you wouldn’t need concentrates”-SourScilicate Bro true story. I got some gg4 or gg1….shit was so strong I literally told my buddy it was better than dabs. He smoked 2 hits then went to his room. I was like where tf did he go? Lol. Put his ass to sleep. That was maybe 8-10 yrs ago. Before that was Jamaican red hair. And I also had some purple shit that I rolled and could NOT smoke half a joint of. I was hanging out my window trying to kill that joint and I got so high I gave up! It was fukn awesome! In the 90’s I was a younger guy and didn’t have much money and I gave my dudes brother $5 in quarters and he gave me 3g’s of some flame 🔥. My mind was blown on how good it was and how he was just like yeah it’s cool bro. Lol Those were the fuckin days!!!!!! I miss the stuff that had amazing flavor till the ashes turned white. Couldn’t tell if you were smoking res or flwr cause it just tasted so fukn good. That’s real shit kids. Lol 😝
I miss Sativas! I miss the stuff that tasted amazing. I miss the stuff that stank through the double bagging. Stuff that was sticky and stony. Shit that would knock you down. Because you could take 2 puffs and be properly medicated…but if you wanted to get ripped you smoked half a joint. Those were tough times but amazing bud. I’m sure it’s gonna come back. We just need more time. More quality breeders. More patience lol. I know we are not gonna get the exact cultivars back but might get something close or better with any luck. Cheers gents. Glad to know I’m not alone in thinking the flowers have been getting more trash over the last 10-20yrs. Time for a comeback!!!!
I thought it was my tolerance or something. I am not satisfied with the bud I've been smoking. Sour diesel is 1 of my favorites. I have discovered that the wax is best for me. Now that I've learned how to do it I'm having trouble with my torches giving out after a big hit. Any suggestions?
Most people don’t grow it because they’re all about money and they want fast harvest I’m going to try to grow in for myself I’m not doing it for the money I just wanna make the best weed for me
I remember meeting some of you guys in amsterdam in the 90's , i used to work in the coffeshops as a dealer, good times - i loved your SAGE , i first tried it at a tiny coffeshop down in south amsterdam just past the heineken factory, cant remember the name of it but was blown away with the smoke. we used to go on missions on our days off to locate the places selling any of the strains the 'americans' were working on!! i still pop into the grey area when im in town to see whats new. Such an interesting stream , thanks guys . i always assumed sour diesel came from Soma so really fascinating to hear all this background ty
@@High_n_Smelly yeah i think that was the one , little place you had to walk down a couple of steps to get into - i still have the stash tin that the SAGE came in !! Happy memories
Yes and it really comes down to who claims credit for being an originator and while the stories these guys tell are true, they’re true for them meanwhile others could have been using chem dog crosses and came out with similar terpene profiles and also been called sour diesel. So many of the genetics had similar parentage
I love these kinds of discussions. I never have thought fuel smell was particularly appealing. The first time I smelled it was in the early 2000's from a random cross I made with a Shiskaberry female. It smelled super strong and it was potent, but I didn't care for it and sold it to some neighbors. I went years without smelling anything like it, but I wasn't smoking other people's weed.
Not fuel over all but a greasy skunky, coffee chocolate, with piney and earthy overtones, and greasy as hell. Gotta wait her out till the open structure pops. And it can get huge 15 foot or more.
@@yverak5504 Trinidad has a lot of unknown gems. The thing about Trinidad is the cannabis farmers never really got a fair chance to select the best genetics since the police and army keep destroying the plantations prematurely.
Here in Southern Oregon Shishkaberry “shishk” was/is so popular. Huge huge plants. Trying to modernize her now. (Appeal, more crystals, Maybe a Runtz or icc cross.
My first experience with top shelf flower was the Sour Diesel back in 2011. Haven't seen a batch of the Sour D quite that strong ever since. I wish the legal commercial market had more space for things like that.
@@robbybaby55 oh they *do* turn it into mids. Sour D is a demanding and difficult plant to grow properly and the commercial growers don't want to take the 10-12 weeks plus that it needs. It was different when it was able to sell for $20+ per gram, making it worth the extra time and effort.
The high Is all about the overall terpene content which drives the high, as well as other trace cannabinoids combinations. The overall thc % is way overrated in most flowers. High terpene content is a stronger high, plain and simple. Max Montrose with the Terpene Institute has some great info on cannabis.
@Tony Camaj exactly Tony! My life changed when I was working in an amazing dispensary where I got to sample all the flowers that came in. Indoor and outdoor and I'm in Humboldt so I got to see alot of amazing flower and I had the test results on everything so it was obvious to me the high terpene content was so important
I'm 28 from Maryland, Severn, MD to be exact. I started smoking regular at 13/14, by 15 got introduced to good mid by 16 my uncle was bringing me "dro" to smoke that he was getting from a country part of PG County. Each time the bud was different and funkier than anything me or my mom was used to. The taste was always earthy and piney. First time meeting sour d I was in the car with my uncle and kept smelling weed yet no one was smoking. Once he pulled it out and cracked the bag that shit was so loud
Yeah also don’t forget that soil biology changes everything so then based on location you’re going to get a different set of biology which will change the profiles making some shit and other stuff amazing. Great talk tho! I learned a lot!
I crossed a super silver haze with a sour diesel back in the day the sour diesel had a natural double cola split at the fourth nude amazing plant was lost because of a nark but about 100 seeds were able to be saved one day I hope to do a hunt maybe it can be found again
barneys farm mimosa evo its purple gassy as f and it really reminds me of some old-school smoke and whats the problem with Jack I grew up on it in UK we had a choice Jack's or blue Berry for many years
Snowhigh says there og like gas terps in some alcapulco gold plants, and skunk was meant to have alcapulco gold in the genetics so it would make sense if og and chem are both related to skunk or superskunk
I got some of that original sd early 2000s. I usually would take a rip before work so I took a rip of the sd first day I got it and had to call out of work haha
39:55 NY Sour Diesel was Soma’s, and was not Sour Diesel (a ChemDog progeny), it was a grapefruit haze or something. James Loud crossed it with a Tangie and made So Loud For Soma.
Different strokes for different folks the sour diesel I’m smoking on as a super stare at the wall type of high that has a quite the dilation of time...
@@kodykindhart8230 yes , mine too ,really tripping , It depends on dosis and set and different biology i agree still is little bit confusing to say that she leaves you catatonic while is a perfect strain to go dance and party IMO
hudson valley native here. oldest winery's in the country here. most west coaster dont know just how fertile the area can be here. i remember the first time i tasted sour d back in the 90s. we had the cronic too both would have you tripping out it was so strong
@@mikec3820 man so right upstate area use to get so many different strains before most folks even cared about it..I was taking it down south an my people were like wtf are you smoking..but it was the norm for us..I got a story to tell
@@godfathergreenleaf1989 i cant wait till all NY is wide open. some of the best hybreds ever have come out from NY. im a old head so i remember the first sour in nthe early 90s and the old old skunk. that skunk was the price of regs and fire like sour
@@mikec3820 ah man.. the original big bud, tie stick from Amsterdam NY, the cherry and berry out doors, the different haze's, headies ,, um the white widow from lake George area.. northern lights..was my first.. knock out...the kine buds from BC,,, the G13 crosses..etc
@@godfathergreenleaf1989 right on right on! lambs bread and the cronic were some of my other favorites. used to know a guy in the catskills had his own berry strain named wonderberry. tasted better then any candy you could eat. i know them hippies are still up that mountain with that strain some where. bethal area. he is a pipe maker/glass artist like me as well. im county south of him
great session guys, but to James, seriously, you are a fucking legend, your generosity is overwhelming. I hope others follow your lead in reaching out to help farmers in need.
Awesome discussion! I especially perked up at the mention of AJ's sour diesel being the same as ecsd, and the contention that ecsd is "not really sour diesel". From what I've gathered here in comments and the vid and the net, the aj sour diesel is chemdog x either itself or dnl, or something unknown, still a little confused as to how close that is to real sour diesel... Anyway super interesting because I crossed 3 strains last year with a male who was 2nd generation "AJ's lemon glue"(ajs sour diesel x lemon glue (lemon tree x glue75%)). The male parent - AJ's lemon glue 2nd gen had sisters of varying phenos, the best was a very orange juice smelling lady, all the phenos had strong THC. Never really got a strong gas smell from that strain but it's very nice. So, last year this male pollenated it's 4 sisters, a purple punch, and a Bigfoot glue (basically gg4). I'm really excited about the purple punch cross because it seems to have taken the stalk strength and thick colas of the sativa parent and retained the grape soda of the mom. The one Bigfoot cross I ended up with seems to be the lightest aroma, see how it turns out but not totally stoked yet. posted a vid about a month ago. Just chopped one of the pp 10 minutes ago and gonna bud wash the burnt up forest ash that she's been collecting since August. Thanks for enlightening a new grower of a few years, happy harvesting
Everything was og, then everything was headband. Then it was all gmo. What will the same bag be tomorrow lol. AND ITS NOT FUCKING OCEAN GROWN YOU FUCKING INBREDS
there is not just one cut named headband there are several. I collaborated on a first place cup win with a cut called headband we can trace it back to how it got it’s name. It was given to me and friends by Noel who got it from Mojave’s and Josh D in LA. They renamed the Original OG kush cut for the purposes of anonymity. It’s a fact. Loompa has a headband that is an OG cut as well and the 707 and DNA have a headbamd cut that is both OG x Sour. It’s not so cut and dry.
@@jamescooksfood Dude, I have pictures of you from that cup that I screenshoted off a youtube video, because I believed your cut was actually the real deal, because the real deal had these extra thin stems and grew like diesel. I got diesel AND headband back in the day, side by side, always, and never saw a chem or og bud until I moved to Colorado, both of which I grew for a decade and og is not headband. Everyone bit off the name headband Loompa, dna, caliconnection, thseeds,707 sourxog this that and whatever, fuck all these biters(as far as this strain goes). . I remember going on forums looking for headband and diesel before there was any mention of either on forums. I will say that I've smoked some skywalker og and some coal creek kush that both approached headband, but headband is not tennisball rubber; it's sweet, moss, fuel.
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Growing AJs Sour Diesel LS bought it in 2015 . 1 seed kept cold for 8 years . Sprouted 2023 .Harvested , selfed and keeping the mother in Quito Ecuador at 2850 mts high. Thanks to the legends 💪
1:03:14 the 707 Headband is an OG Sour
Sour Diesel is prob my favorite. Growing up and being from NYC/NJ i remember some strains that are now lost, like chocolate thai, northern lights, skunk, haze and sour diesel. Funny how so many claim to still have some of them. The Sour that I used to get back in mid to late 90s was so loud and DIESEL smelling that if you had it, EVERYONE knew and it blew your house out smelling like it. There was absolutely no way of masking the funk coming off it, it wreaked so bad it was like gasoline. Straight DIESEL fuel aroma. Even a small bag of it you knew who had it lol. Man i miss that, and the REAL haze too. That haze had a high that hit reeeal different too.
The real haze is still around, look up boneyard genetics in NorCal he has the real haze called haze 4 daze 25 foot tall plants 8-10 pounders and a psychedelic head high
I love the old Sativa high , it is another level of consciousness actually.
The Indica is a body high and glues you to the couch i do not like.
The Chocolate Thai was two toke limit for novice smokers as it keeps creeping up on you as you smoke and then you go higher and higher scary strong intense high .@@happycamper1486
I just saw Nl#5 x skunk 1.I didn’t get it I’m kicking myself got some Jealousy It hits hard but these idiots don’t let it go another week or two and quick dry it smells like fresh cut grass nowadays
Small nuggs would reak more than a lb of today's pretendo platinum crap..
Tiny nugg would outsmell a lb of today's crap😂
one of my favorite episodes ever! please have this crew on again soon!
Sensi Seeds Super Skunk Circa "92" is in ECSD for sure. I'm still rockin SS from then. Leagues above modern versions of SS.
Bought a piece at dead show from a guy who went by the name Chem who threw in a sick baggie after I tipped him because the piece was amazing. Not sure it was him but damn the piece is still amazing and has been incredibly strong and has survived all these years. His VW bus was epic.
Cool story sounds about right they sold glass
ECSD best strain i ever smoked, nothing comes remotely close in my book. I've been trying to find the real sd and have over 50 different varieties and still i cannot find anything remotely close to the original Sour Diesel that was circulating back in the day. I have had the pleasure of trying that real clone and man i have been chasing it down ever since. To this day i still cannot find anyone who still has it. Nothing comes close to the original ecsd hands down the best of the best, those who tried it will agree, it is amazing.
agreed 100%. I had the ECSD and she put my NYCD to shame. Lost the mom to a freak accident 2 years ago and still havnt gotten over it. I plan to go to Cali in the spring just to search for the cut. I hear darkheart has the legit 1
@@BenzFrank Darkheart has mites, but no real ECSD. lol! jk
@@bongdonkey ummm darkheart is legit... you lie and say they have mites then put jk? Why?weird... if ur gonna piss on someones name, man up to it. Don't pussy out
Lp
It’s not hard to find
I love the romance of all the older genetics/strains .
Im dying to find some old-time skunk. The kind that was bred out of existence. Any light you might shed on this subject would be appreciated.
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The Dutch.
@@mattabbott8561 blueskiesvienna is your man
You guys are actually like filling in parts of my childhood I didn’t know existed but you’re like explaining everything…it’s awesome!
It’s Sour because of what it did to relationships. It was a hairy situation holding that cut and running it in growing/selling circles. That cut took the NY game to a whole other level overnight. It changed the game in NY. If you were working that cut everyone else that didn’t have access to it was extremely Sour
I've had a cut of SD for 12 years now. Found the phenos I liked and kept alive since. Been treating me good ever since! Had to fight to get the cut! SD forever! Looking into TC so I can keep it for ever! The real SD! It'll blow your mind, greasy!
Man you're lucky! I'd love to have a cut of some real sour diesel.
@Eugene Archibald hit me up man, I'd love to save the genetics and have it around again
No joke the real sour is the best I ever had and had manny
We need to network
@Tony Camaj yea I usta get it from ma pot a put n just like it's gon r.i.p ta a real soljah but man dat real sour u Kno it when u see it n man best smoke ever shit have u floating on air
I was born in '92 so that puts me at 32 this year. Sour Diesel obviously predates me but my experience with it was around 2008-2009ish +/- a year or so while Iwas in high school. I was getting bud off a kid a year or two younger than me who was connected to some graffiti writers from a pretty notorious crew. They had this connection on what they were calling Sour Diesel that was allegedly being grown in trailer homes out in Apache Junction AZ. AJ area was/is known for cooking meth as there are so many trailer parks. This bud had that bud structure Sour Diesel is known for. Pretty sure it was some type of hydroponically grown bud. It was always so fresh, fragrant, and sticky!! In retrospect and having my personal grow experience now it was a bit tooo freah. The bud would literally stick to the bag!! And It was LOUD!!!! (Pun intended!) For real, like other folks commenting are saying people would know you had it BEFORE you even pulled out your sack or made it known you had one. They had it for about a year and then I got in the game and established my plug based on personal relationships. Wish I had made that connection on the SD myself
You're a little older than sour
Just cured some. It's really a strong sativa. 3 good hits is all I need. Prior grow I harvested too early and it's very weak. I've learned to let ALL my plants flower longer.
Is there a seed bank that has them and if so what do they call it? I just looked,post 6 months ago.
@@tracyshoemake9686 North Atlantic seed company should have some. If it's not there, try omega genetics.
Year later and I am heading to a concert and going to smoke a cone of sour diesel ⛽
just popped 5 beans of 707 headband x Deadhead OG
WOWWW really??!!
@@jessee7334 1 out of 5 popped hopefully a female!!
@@bw4872 good luck buddy. I just got 5 beans of Blue Cookies from crop kings. Hopefully they all pop
@@ezanakassu get away from crop king! They're definitely not the creators of Blueberry Cookies. Look up Irie Genetics if you want great genetics for a reasonable price!
Swerves genetics suck tho
My story starts summer of 10th grade. 1988. One of the smarter things I've done throughout was saving the elite genetics. It's cool seeing some other "old timers"
I graduated in 88...to bad we didn't know to keep the cuts going...I had a friend who had the northern lights line..dude was a great grower ..did nl crosses & would give us seeds ...great weed
Great conversations Peter and all involved. Keep up the great work. 🇦🇺
This guy is so spot on...I was waiting to hear him refer to NY...if he'd said anywhere else he would have been wrong...I was connected to those guys when they went to Holland...but yessir that started right here in NY in my hometown...great interview
At the D&C dispensary in Steamboat Springs, CO, the owner, who had lived in Crested Butte, had photos from the late 1980's of outdoor dogbud. From what I could tell he had worked with the same genetics for years and had seeds. This was around 2011.
Do you think he knows he created chemdog then?
@@entropygardens7253 since the chemdog clones all came from bag seed, the question has always been what was the mystery bag of nugs? The location and old photos along with details corroborated from chemdog and pbud about the purchase place etc all fall together. Growing dogbud outdoors near crested butte in the late 80s he was probably involved without knowing it.
@@GTIFabric Mate I don't think i'm the only person who would love to hear his story then!
should of seeds of the orginal heritages went to Colorado back around 2003
Damn, I hate that I missed this! Awesome discussion of sage n sour, which is one of my all-time faves. Eight years ago I was busted and did nearly five years in prison. That hurt. But what hurt the most is losing my four different keeper phenos of sage n sour--two of which came from the same pack of seeds. I'm growing it again...8 years later, but so far have not found a pheno that compares to those four. This is a really special strain. And you guys are awesome. Thank you so much for an insightful and informative conversation.
Ouch
I appreciate your struggle brother. Hope you find that pheno again.
I know you got some knowledge bro how can we chop it up
Thanks for fighting the fight bro
Dam David. Hate to hear about the nickel in the box. Im in a similar situation down south with these morons. Pigs man. I tell ya
The best feature of sour diesel was its instantly uplifting high... very fast onset... the taste too. The buds werent as rockhard as some hybrids but potency was A1
As a small time breeder i love to hear you guys talk about how its meant to be shared i started making seeds bc to many are ridiculously expensive and tbh most are good but nothing special really atleast most of them but even true fire should be cheap as ur the one doing the work you can have great genetics but suck at growing or drying and curing so seeds should be cheap
89' is when I started,with brick seed.
I wonder how it's even possible to have a "pure" cut going around for so long times, I mean there could always be someone who pops some random seed and gets something that's almost the same as the cut going around, weither it's OG Kush from the US or Cheese from the UK.
There were and are probably millions of skunk1 phenos or even phenos of way different genetics that have all the characteristics that would make someone say "yes that's the cheese/kush/whatever, I'l take x amount of clones" - and from there it could spread exponentially and completely diffuse what the original even was after just a short time.
Not to mention the genetic drift that's occuring anyway along with false memories so even those people who 100% have the original clone since x amount of years can't be sure how much it really changed even if making notes every day etc.
Subcools original cuvée had a pheno that was chocolate flavored.
Ya man, cuvee is a great strain, a wonderful high.
@Eris Sanis i believe in subs eyes him saying chocolate he meant chocolate… but I never smelled it myself but I’d say if it’s coffee it’s probably a different pheno of cuvée
Back in the late 90s in nyc it was all about hydro, skunk, chocolate, and haze. 2000s came and it was all sour or kush.
Headband and Sour Diesel are sister plants. Those two always came together. I don't trust anyone regarding diesel if they can't tell me something about headband.
Headband is either OG or SD or a cross just renamed lol
@@carrottoponcrak You're fucking dumb and don't know shit.
@@ronpaulrevered well what do you know? 🤔 and stop insulting people behind a screen. Our community isn't in to the fuckery got it!!!
@@carrottoponcrak sour is sour pine funk . Headband smells like straight puppy breath. The nastiest funk you can imagine. A nug in the car smells like a few open pounds.
I remember meeting "Snoglass" on the 89' Spring Dead Tour. I believe he was the only one blowing colored glass, pipes then..?
Old memories!👍💯✌️
I listened to this one year later after doing more research and its striking the assumptions made in the lineage.
Bought some medical Red Man Sour Diesel, early 2000s in CA, and have never seen it again...best pheno I ever tasted of SD!
@38:00 in is me explaining what "SOUR DIESEL" is to everyone in my whole life. I'm still searching for it from when I had it 10 years ago and after getting to Cali in the Bay Area and finding out that the "Sour Diesel" here really isn't sour diesel at all it has truly been a really awesome experience to know that I have had that strain and am now also on the hunt for the REAL SOUR D! I have to admit that finding out where this story of terpene chasing has taken me has been so cool just hearing all the stories and connecting all the dots. I'd love to see what everyone is doing and has nowdays as to what they think the real sour diesel is or what's close to it as it was. I definitely feel like it's a story that needs to be made more public and that people should have a piece of media to watch to know the whole story. Great story guys! I'd love to meet and smoke with you guys! Blow some glass and talk about bud and grow some good phenos
What year u pop them five
Some of these 'thca' hemp breeders claim to have the real deal holyfield stuff
I'd love a netflix series talking about strain history
I went to the first cannabis farmers market in Lucerne valley advertised in high times the facility was trying to sell me some BOG seeds
They didn't look good
I picked up some seeds from a big guy in a straw hat
They were Cosmic Light's
He said it a cosmic kush crossed to the closest queen which was a northern light's
That was used for everything
I never bought seed's again
You fucked up not buying bog
The lambs bread and also the super silver haze in the bay area 10-15 years ago was amazing. Havnt seen them since.
We had really great super silver have up and over this way in the 2000s. So strong. Pungent. Was the beginning of the "kush craze" lost the Super Silver and the good Sour Diesel when the kush started to appear.
Lambs bread is kinda common in the caribbean for years now. Most people in the region are chasing cookies since its kinda rare here.
That lambs bread was awesome
Thx guyz! that wuz a good one! “The weasel with the diesel...”
I use to get the best Sour D out of WNY and havent seen it since the homies stopped growing it. All the SD in CALI dispensaries are not sour D. It was and still is the best strain I have ever had. the homies use to move bows from 6-8k and you couldnt contain the smell lol.
Cali?
@@williamryan9195 California
that real OG, lol, all these strains . Diesel , Skunk9, chemdawg all grateful dead family strains late 80's
My fav older strain here in So Cal
In nyc, in the heights, the weed spot carries sour, gorilla and piff only .. gorilla glue was added to the listed
How is the piff nowadays?
Yeah gorilla really took over the streets
What about the haze?
facts
Sour isn’t the same tho as years ago
Thank Cypress Hill for Kush being huge. They put that Cultivar on the map.
Swami seeds has lambs breath
There was nothing like the sour diesel that was in NYC idk what no one say!
Donating seeds to farmers in southern Oregon, too :-)
Hash plant!! A great strain.. amazing high
Grew a few sensi hash plant in grow space for almost 20 years great plant
“If we had the old strains you wouldn’t need concentrates”-SourScilicate
Bro true story. I got some gg4 or gg1….shit was so strong I literally told my buddy it was better than dabs. He smoked 2 hits then went to his room. I was like where tf did he go? Lol. Put his ass to sleep. That was maybe 8-10 yrs ago. Before that was Jamaican red hair. And I also had some purple shit that I rolled and could NOT smoke half a joint of. I was hanging out my window trying to kill that joint and I got so high I gave up! It was fukn awesome! In the 90’s I was a younger guy and didn’t have much money and I gave my dudes brother $5 in quarters and he gave me 3g’s of some flame 🔥. My mind was blown on how good it was and how he was just like yeah it’s cool bro. Lol
Those were the fuckin days!!!!!! I miss the stuff that had amazing flavor till the ashes turned white. Couldn’t tell if you were smoking res or flwr cause it just tasted so fukn good.
That’s real shit kids. Lol 😝
Sour Diesel came from Tegrity Farms. Duh!
mmm kay
I miss Sativas! I miss the stuff that tasted amazing. I miss the stuff that stank through the double bagging. Stuff that was sticky and stony. Shit that would knock you down. Because you could take 2 puffs and be properly medicated…but if you wanted to get ripped you smoked half a joint. Those were tough times but amazing bud.
I’m sure it’s gonna come back. We just need more time. More quality breeders. More patience lol. I know we are not gonna get the exact cultivars back but might get something close or better with any luck.
Cheers gents. Glad to know I’m not alone in thinking the flowers have been getting more trash over the last 10-20yrs. Time for a comeback!!!!
I thought it was my tolerance or something. I am not satisfied with the bud I've been smoking. Sour diesel is 1 of my favorites. I have discovered that the wax is best for me. Now that I've learned how to do it I'm having trouble with my torches giving out after a big hit. Any suggestions?
Most people don’t grow it because they’re all about money and they want fast harvest
I’m going to try to grow in for myself I’m not doing it for the money I just wanna make the best weed for me
I remember meeting some of you guys in amsterdam in the 90's , i used to work in the coffeshops as a dealer, good times - i loved your SAGE , i first tried it at a tiny coffeshop down in south amsterdam just past the heineken factory, cant remember the name of it but was blown away with the smoke. we used to go on missions on our days off to locate the places selling any of the strains the 'americans' were working on!! i still pop into the grey area when im in town to see whats new. Such an interesting stream , thanks guys . i always assumed sour diesel came from Soma so really fascinating to hear all this background ty
Coffeeshop Katsu?
@@High_n_Smelly yeah i think that was the one , little place you had to walk down a couple of steps to get into - i still have the stash tin that the SAGE came in !! Happy memories
Isn't Sage is one of Adam Dunn varieties?
Isn't there a theory that diesel was chem dawg crossed with a skunk variety?
Yes and it really comes down to who claims credit for being an originator and while the stories these guys tell are true, they’re true for them meanwhile others could have been using chem dog crosses and came out with similar terpene profiles and also been called sour diesel. So many of the genetics had similar parentage
Great content. Really enjoyed hearing about the history of my favourite strain.
Enjoyed listen to uall I have had sour diseal sense early 90s very great herb old school
What nursery can we get that sour cut James loud was talking about?
I love these kinds of discussions. I never have thought fuel smell was particularly appealing. The first time I smelled it was in the early 2000's from a random cross I made with a Shiskaberry female. It smelled super strong and it was potent, but I didn't care for it and sold it to some neighbors. I went years without smelling anything like it, but I wasn't smoking other people's weed.
It probably was from a skunk variety that was found in the island of Trinidad.
Not fuel over all but a greasy skunky, coffee chocolate, with piney and earthy overtones, and greasy as hell. Gotta wait her out till the open structure pops. And it can get huge 15 foot or more.
Never hear much about shiskaberry . Was popular up here for abit.
@@yverak5504 Trinidad has a lot of unknown gems. The thing about Trinidad is the cannabis farmers never really got a fair chance to select the best genetics since the police and army keep destroying the plantations prematurely.
Here in Southern Oregon Shishkaberry “shishk” was/is so popular. Huge huge plants.
Trying to modernize her now. (Appeal, more crystals, Maybe a Runtz or icc cross.
My first experience with top shelf flower was the Sour Diesel back in 2011. Haven't seen a batch of the Sour D quite that strong ever since. I wish the legal commercial market had more space for things like that.
They wouldn't know what to do with it... theyd turn it into mids
@@robbybaby55 oh they *do* turn it into mids. Sour D is a demanding and difficult plant to grow properly and the commercial growers don't want to take the 10-12 weeks plus that it needs. It was different when it was able to sell for $20+ per gram, making it worth the extra time and effort.
Just a lucky cross of great stuff ..
The high Is all about the overall terpene content which drives the high, as well as other trace cannabinoids combinations. The overall thc % is way overrated in most flowers. High terpene content is a stronger high, plain and simple. Max Montrose with the Terpene Institute has some great info on cannabis.
@Tony Camaj exactly Tony! My life changed when I was working in an amazing dispensary where I got to sample all the flowers that came in. Indoor and outdoor and I'm in Humboldt so I got to see alot of amazing flower and I had the test results on everything so it was obvious to me the high terpene content was so important
@Tony Camaj
I don’t think 💭 would
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I tried the(supposedly)32 percent and it was no where close to the Green.
Well put,, !! definitely about the combination and quantity of cannabinoids.
I bet you don’t even girl organic weed
How are you guys still getting misinfo.. weasel breaks it down a million times
Loud has always been an idiot. Also proved a million times
Can you point me to this info?
@@pimpanther look up Adam Dunn show Weasel sour diesel fam
I'm 28 from Maryland, Severn, MD to be exact. I started smoking regular at 13/14, by 15 got introduced to good mid by 16 my uncle was bringing me "dro" to smoke that he was getting from a country part of PG County. Each time the bud was different and funkier than anything me or my mom was used to. The taste was always earthy and piney. First time meeting sour d I was in the car with my uncle and kept smelling weed yet no one was smoking. Once he pulled it out and cracked the bag that shit was so loud
PLEASE BRING HP13 BACK WHO EVER THE FUCK ORIGINNALY MADE THAT CUT BRING IT BACK!
Yeah also don’t forget that soil biology changes everything so then based on location you’re going to get a different set of biology which will change the profiles making some shit and other stuff amazing.
Great talk tho! I learned a lot!
Cool discussion✌️
I crossed a super silver haze with a sour diesel back in the day the sour diesel had a natural double cola split at the fourth nude amazing plant was lost because of a nark but about 100 seeds were able to be saved one day I hope to do a hunt maybe it can be found again
barneys farm mimosa evo its purple gassy as f and it really reminds me of some old-school smoke and whats the problem with Jack I grew up on it in UK we had a choice Jack's or blue Berry for many years
My first encounter with Sour was from cartoon in like 98....
Love the discussion of HPLvD
still poppin 91 sd bangerrs
There are still skunk seeds in missouri if you old enough to know the old enough crowd.
South east Missouri?
Thanx
1:44:38 The growers grow different varieties for themselves than they grow for the market.
1:49:40 the history of Lamb’s Breath or Lamb’s Bread
AJ's sour diesel ⛽
Good stuff!
Snowhigh says there og like gas terps in some alcapulco gold plants, and skunk was meant to have alcapulco gold in the genetics so it would make sense if og and chem are both related to skunk or superskunk
I remember sourband in garberville 707 sour ,was really nice smelled strong
I got some of that original sd early 2000s. I usually would take a rip before work so I took a rip of the sd first day I got it and had to call out of work haha
I miss the day wrecker cut.
I remember I had the Hashmaker back in the early 2000s bought in Amsterdam
More origin stories! Love it!
I watch CLTV and the guy that started it (Rob) his favorite smoke is headband.
Just started my first sour diesel today!
getcha pull
They get big
39:55 NY Sour Diesel was Soma’s, and was not Sour Diesel (a ChemDog progeny), it was a grapefruit haze or something.
James Loud crossed it with a Tangie and made So Loud For Soma.
silverback og was really good. it was out of Venice beach
Your feed diet and schedule for headband would help out a lot. They are really kinda stubborn
I knew all the diesel cats in NY .. The best was out of the city but most was upstate near Ithaca .
And it was most def mixed with heady glass . Two words , Buttermilk Studios 💪🌱💚🌱💚
I had the original sour d in 2002 until about 2006 .have found none since that can compare. It just wouldn't grow anymore
Sour diesel hasnt catatonic effect, just the opposite , trippy,energética,uplifting and Creative ...
Different strokes for different folks the sour diesel I’m smoking on as a super stare at the wall type of high that has a quite the dilation of time...
@@kodykindhart8230 yes , mine too ,really tripping , It depends on dosis and set and different biology i agree still is little bit confusing to say that she leaves you catatonic while is a perfect strain to go dance and party IMO
You can smoke the same strain even the same large cola several times over a cpl days and get a different high on at least 2 occasions!!
@@montys420- yes but if you smoke It daily for a year you can understand the effect that does on you. Guaranteed
@@findingsolutions198 the longer you smoke the same strain the less you start to enjoy its good to change every cpl of weeks and at times even daily!
First gas strain picked up of a Strain called “Oregon”. The dude had same strain since the 80’s till early 2000’s.
Smells of skunky with coffee chocolate with pitney earthy over scent, and greasy as hell
Kinda sounds like deep chunk
Listening to Mojave talk man..I think we frequent the same circles..I use to live in Albany ny bro
hudson valley native here. oldest winery's in the country here. most west coaster dont know just how fertile the area can be here. i remember the first time i tasted sour d back in the 90s. we had the cronic too both would have you tripping out it was so strong
@@mikec3820 man so right upstate area use to get so many different strains before most folks even cared about it..I was taking it down south an my people were like wtf are you smoking..but it was the norm for us..I got a story to tell
@@godfathergreenleaf1989 i cant wait till all NY is wide open. some of the best hybreds ever have come out from NY. im a old head so i remember the first sour in nthe early 90s and the old old skunk. that skunk was the price of regs and fire like sour
@@mikec3820 ah man.. the original big bud, tie stick from Amsterdam NY, the cherry and berry out doors, the different haze's, headies ,, um the white widow from lake George area.. northern lights..was my first.. knock out...the kine buds from BC,,, the G13 crosses..etc
@@godfathergreenleaf1989 right on right on! lambs bread and the cronic were some of my other favorites. used to know a guy in the catskills had his own berry strain named wonderberry. tasted better then any candy you could eat. i know them hippies are still up that mountain with that strain some where. bethal area. he is a pipe maker/glass artist like me as well. im county south of him
I was smoking Humboldt lime green krip in 76 you guys r way late
From what I have gathered in my travels it seems likely the original diesel genetics come from the late 70’s early 80’s woodman oil can genetics.
Headband 707 comes to mind
My best smoke ever is homegrown
east coast came from the mass new york area
great session guys, but to James, seriously, you are a fucking legend, your generosity is overwhelming. I hope others follow your lead in reaching out to help farmers in need.
Awesome discussion! I especially perked up at the mention of AJ's sour diesel being the same as ecsd, and the contention that ecsd is "not really sour diesel". From what I've gathered here in comments and the vid and the net, the aj sour diesel is chemdog x either itself or dnl, or something unknown, still a little confused as to how close that is to real sour diesel... Anyway super interesting because I crossed 3 strains last year with a male who was 2nd generation "AJ's lemon glue"(ajs sour diesel x lemon glue (lemon tree x glue75%)). The male parent - AJ's lemon glue 2nd gen had sisters of varying phenos, the best was a very orange juice smelling lady, all the phenos had strong THC. Never really got a strong gas smell from that strain but it's very nice.
So, last year this male pollenated it's 4 sisters, a purple punch, and a Bigfoot glue (basically gg4). I'm really excited about the purple punch cross because it seems to have taken the stalk strength and thick colas of the sativa parent and retained the grape soda of the mom. The one Bigfoot cross I ended up with seems to be the lightest aroma, see how it turns out but not totally stoked yet. posted a vid about a month ago.
Just chopped one of the pp 10 minutes ago and gonna bud wash the burnt up forest ash that she's been collecting since August.
Thanks for enlightening a new grower of a few years, happy harvesting
chem 91 skunk va...is that the chemdawg which one is the original cut? i need that head space
Chem 91 skunk va is the mother of all
A timeless strain
So where’s many’s crew come into play
Fascinating stuff 👍👍
22:42 just hurt alot of feelings 😂😂
Man, we had all these strains in Northern Humboldt too. Headband was not Og. It had some diesel in it. It's an amazing strain.
Everything was og, then everything was headband. Then it was all gmo. What will the same bag be tomorrow lol. AND ITS NOT FUCKING OCEAN GROWN YOU FUCKING INBREDS
That's why I breed my own lines for my tastes and high preference, fuck the flavor of the week
Miss the sourband from garberville
The Strains Remains
OG KUSH is NOT HEADBAND!
there is not just one cut named headband there are several. I collaborated on a first place cup win with a cut called headband we can trace it back to how it got it’s name. It was given to me and friends by Noel who got it from Mojave’s and Josh D in LA. They renamed the Original OG kush cut for the purposes of anonymity. It’s a fact. Loompa has a headband that is an OG cut as well and the 707 and DNA have a headbamd cut that is both OG x Sour. It’s not so cut and dry.
@@jamescooksfood Dude, I have pictures of you from that cup that I screenshoted off a youtube video, because I believed your cut was actually the real deal, because the real deal had these extra thin stems and grew like diesel. I got diesel AND headband back in the day, side by side, always, and never saw a chem or og bud until I moved to Colorado, both of which I grew for a decade and og is not headband. Everyone bit off the name headband Loompa, dna, caliconnection, thseeds,707 sourxog this that and whatever, fuck all these biters(as far as this strain goes). . I remember going on forums looking for headband and diesel before there was any mention of either on forums. I will say that I've smoked some skywalker og and some coal creek kush that both approached headband, but headband is not tennisball rubber; it's sweet, moss, fuel.