Rates are in the description. 😁 Link to where you can buy the Axisflying C157👇 www.axisflying.com/product/axisflying-c157-motor-for-dji-avata-to-get-more-powerful/
I just bought the avata after flaying mavic pro and air for a few years the fun is back I could fly this bird thru and around objects without fear of crashing it. I got motion sickness, I love it. this motor upgrade will be on my next to do list, thanks,
My dude, that was a sick video. I didn't think the avatar could fly like that!! Because of this vid I'm getting the avatar and some of these motors. Thank you for the info!!!
Great video, looks like a whole new drone! Smart move on Axisflyings part, I'm sure they'll sell a ton of those motors. The aftermarket just might make the Avata the jack of all trades.
thanks to your review on the dji fpv i became a full time manual mode pilote ..i was waiting for this one and ias usual i will follow your way and upgrade .Thanks dude
You're so welcome, bro. I'm glad to hear you've taken to flying full time manual mode. I truly believe it adds a level of immersion that makes the FPV experience so much better.
Had to come back and watch again since there are only a few channels rocking these motors. Hopefully you'll keep dropping content. That thing looks like it's on rails for real now.
Working on a "freestyle" edit at an abandoned mill right now. I picked up two extra batteries for a total of 5 because I legit have fun taking this thing to a spot with me. I will definitely will keep posting more videos of this little thing rippin' as best it can. 😅
@@MurdersFPV lol. Ah man I'm sure you're good. It looks like these are the motors that should have come on the drone. It's the 1st motor mod I've seen for any DJI drone. Makes total sense though. No other drone they've made really warranted a power train upgrade. It looks totally worth it in this case. Looks way more stable and capable.
Dude, love your videos! I really appreciate the RUclips algorithm to recommend your channel to me. Happy to be one of the earliest followers. Really nice stuff you put out and I also like the way you talk about things. Sadly I don’t own a Avata, don’t need it though, but the way you were excited about this upgrade makes me wanna try it. :-) keep it up.
I really appreciate the support. I genuinely love flying and if there's anything I can do for the hobby and community so that others can have as much I am having the better.
Laying on my couch and 5 seconds into the flight I had to sit up and pay attention. Can’t say for myself (won’t buy it until it comes with the RC2) but that looks like a major upgrade. Since I only fly in Acro these motors will be a must buy if I pick up the Avata.
So what's funny is my intention was to have a more "professional" approach to the stick cam video and discuss what I was experiencing with significantly less "sh!t" and "fu¢k" bombs but as soon as I was feeling the significant difference in the performance I basically became a 12 year old boy. My excitement level was crazy high. 😅
Walmart and eBay has quiet props for the Avata but I don’t know 🤷♀️ if they are any good. They are around 15 or 20 bucks a pop. Thanks for sharing this video! #stayepic
I'm curious about those for sure. I am part 107 and I do occasional real estate work for a friend of mine. I would rather it be a little quieter for those situations.
@@MurdersFPV 100 percent with you! In the current state of affairs when so many get triggered 😤 by drone sounds the quieter the better. I love my quiet neighborhood and I don’t want to be that guy that ruins it for everyone by ticking off the wrong people.
Also about your coment on the motor direction. Most drone pilots know that to reveres motor direction all you need to do is swap to of the cables from the motor. This is how we did it before you could program escs. Im happy you tested all this but please take into consideration some stuff like C rating!
I'm aware that swapping motor wires would solve motor direction issues but could you imagine having to figure that out in this particular case? That would be a pain considering how difficult it is to even get to the pads. And what do you mean by "take into consideration C rating"? The difference in KV isn't going to change the discharge rate on the Avata batteries to anything other than the C rating they are designed to output. If a company like Axisflying is going to make motors specifically designed for use on the Avata I would think they spent several man hours testing and making sure the Avata could handle these motors. They would make a lot of people pretty upset and their reputation would go to shit if they messed that up.
So the base of the Avata motors are a 3 screw triangle design that is something a manufacturer would have to specifically design for. Axisflying made these motors specifically for the Avata. I have not seen any other motors like that.
There is a decrease and I'm trying to see if I can set up a test with a friend who has a completely stock Avata to give a more "scientific" answer. In my flying, I have not noticed a big enough difference for me to ever think the performance increase was not worth it. I'd say maybe a difference of a minute to a minute and a half if that.
Could someone explain how you get more power out of the drone as a whole? I understand the motors themselves are more powerful I just thought the drone would be tuned for the oem motors and you wouldn't get any more power out of it
It's all motors and voltage (battery). A drone with a 6s battery and 2100kv motors has more power than one on 4s and 2100kv. Increased KV alone increases power. Props also affect thrust. Increasing power has nothing to do with the "tune" of a quad unless you have some sort of throttle limit.
I was wondering when someone would come up with an upgrade to the AVATA, glad I came across this video. Next upgrade would be a new base plate/prop guard setup, maybe made with pla filament, with a thinner guard to reduce the guards effect during sharp turns which would probably make it an even better drone. Plus if the infil was light it would reduce the weight and give it even better performance with the original base/guards,
So I tried to get a straightforward answer from DJI but they didn't respond. I look at it this way. I'm going to keep the stock motors and "expertly" reinstall them if I ever have to use Care Refresh.
So I'm the type of person who tries to avoid making blanket statements and claims without actually having put it through the full gambit of real world testing and situations. I have flown about 7 packs since having installed them and I fly very aggressively. The only claim I can make is from my experience and so far the drone appears to be significantly more stable especially when compared to my experience with this drone prior to the upgrade.
I haven't done enough testing/flying in various situations to say the issue is completely resolved but so far in the 7-8 packs I've flown since the upgrade I have not seen a "tumble" and that's with me purposely doing snappy yaw spins. I definitely plan to try it out in more windy conditions and higher altitudes to see if I can get it to happen. It's still a "ducted" drone that has strange flight characteristics because of the reduced airflow for the props so fast snappy maneuvers are something you should always be mindful of. What you might see was something like in the video where the yaw spins are a little loose or wobbly but certainly not something you can't correct for.
@@MurdersFPV cool. I'm thinking for those who want to fly slow and smooth would benefit from these as well. They might be more efficient than the stock motors if you aren't hammering the throttle since they have more torque. Maybe... Maybe not. Also are they plug and play? Or is there soldering involved? I'm assuming they have plugs. I'd hate to snuff up my Avata with a crappy solder job. Anyway thanks for the fast response. I subbed. Looking forward to your install video. This jump in tech has got me back in the hobby. I see a revival of my FPV channel on the horizon. I'm anxious awaiting DJI dropping their new Air Units and the pre made builds that will ensue afterwards. This is the era I've been waiting for.
@@StrillLife it does require soldering so if you have ever soldered motor wires before, it's no different. The tech right now is super badass and I also can't wait for those new air units.
@@MurdersFPV ah man. I'm used to soldering but I never was that great at it and I haven't done it in a while. Cold solder joints were the death of me early on in this hobby. I got better but I've ruined many a FC from accidental bridging. Motor pads are usually ok though. I'll wait for your video before pulling the trigger on these motors. Lol. Just to be safe.
How's the noise compared to the default motors? Is it getting much louder or is it about the same? Also how does it handle when flying indoor in normal mode?
@@schmetis8586 not that I have seen, but to be fair..I very rarely fly in normal and sports mode. When I first installed the motors I tested it inside my house by flying/hovering around in normal mode with no issues.
Seems to be a good upgrade… Do you think the ESCs can cope with upgrade? As more power must equal more current., and less battery life too? 5 - 6 mins…. I love the Avata, it’s great drone for what it is… My RC rates choice is a little higher than yours at R 400, 1080, 0.54 P 400, 1080, 0.54 Y 400, 1080, 0.54
The ESC seems to handle it just fine and flight times vary greatly on different factors. On this first flight, my camera angle was at 30 degrees and I was zooming around throughout. Most people are not going that "aggressive" on the throttle which will extend flight times. Even still the total flight was closer to 7-8 minutes which really didn't change much from what I was getting on the stock motors. 400 Center Sensitivity is super high and very twitchy (in my opinion) and in my experience with this drone and the DJI FPV drone, they perform better with a lower center stick sensitivity. Maybe just try it out and see what you think.
I have a video coming out in a few hours discussing this a little more in depth with flight footage to give you an idea of how battery life is affected. To me, I really don't notice much of a difference. Maybe 45 seconds to a minute less, if that. There are so many factors that affect flight times that the new motors feel negligible in the grand scheme. You have to ask yourself if you value performance over flight time.
So I’m at the end of video lol battery lasted good.. gotcha…. Definitely look into getting some. Looked way smoother. I was a bit disappointed with stock power
@@Micington this video is a side by side battery life test that is consistent with my experience after the upgrade. ruclips.net/video/MAaOM7nUKh8/видео.html
Thanks, Mads. This alone isn't a complete fix to the Avata "issues" but in my flying so far it's an incredibly huge improvement. You don't get improved flight performance without the cost of flight time. I believe DJI made the choice to try and maximize flight time at the cost of performance and stability which is not something I agree with. It's just a cinewhoop but at least it's one I really enjoy flying. I trusted Axisflying and I'm really glad they didn't let me down.
@@MurdersFPV I REALLY wish DJI had used plug and play motors on the Avata as it would have been better for repairs and made this upgrade less invasive too
Great video! Look forward to the installation video. I’ve done plenty of custom wiring for trucks and rc building/flying of regular planes and helis many years ago and am wanting to get more into the drone stuff after I played with an dji inspire 1. Loving the fpv factor and was using my inspire as if it was an fpv while I flew it haha. Any new top speed updates with the motor upgrade? If run time is not overly affected and the power is way more capable and stable, I wonder why they didn’t start out with such motors when they made it? Thanks and keep them coming!
Top speed is definitely faster and it's super likely DJI wanted to get as high of "flight times" as possible so they decided to go with motors that pull less juice from the battery.
Makes sense. Any mph readings for differences? I’m comparing a dji fpv vs avata with these motors… if the speed differences are close enough that will help my decision on placing orders :) Thanks!
I recommend soldering directly to the ESC. I'll have a video soon that shows the install. I recommend keeping the stock motors just in case you need to put them back on for a replacement.
Impressive upgrade, you just turned the Avata into a much more capable drone! Maybe add some more aggressive props? Is that on the stock battery? How does it affect the flight time?
I'm looking for some prop options. It's the stock battery and it really doesn't seem to noticeably affect the flight time. The performance increase is so substantial I honestly don't mind if the flight times are a minute shorter.
Hey i have the dji avata aswel but i have a question over the C157 motors. if you use them on the avata do you have any problem with the battery of the avata like battery error ore like battery getting to hot ore even died. just a question :)
I hope the installation video eventually drops, because I've just pulled the trigger on these and I've never worked on a drone before. Soldered other things though, just not a drone.
My "battery holder" is actually just 2 battery straps I got for free when I ordered some drone parts from Pyrodrone.com 😛 You can use whatever battery straps you want but these are my personal favorite if you want to buy them. pyrodrone.com/products/pyrodrone-kevlar-battery-strap-w-woven-rubber-grip-metal-buckle-250x20mm
I think the thing is , This was geared for 2 types of people. New pilots into FPV and as a work drone ( real estate ETC...). When its flown aggressively ( how most FPV pilots fly) It fails. Its just not designed for freestyle or freestyle moves. What it does do good at is real estate and things of that nature. Im not a DJI fan but as a business owner of a drone based company they are al i use. As a freestyle pilot its a whole different world. just my opinion
I completely agree but the reality is that they never marketed that way. It's advertised doing "aggressive" flying and getting incredibly dynamic footage. Then what we got was a real estate whoop? 😅🤣 This highlights the versatility of this drone. Sure use it for real estate work if that's what you want but I want to flow down rivers and over the side of a cliff. 😜
I don’t agree with that Sir, if that was the case then manual mode wouldn’t be there or it advertised as such……. Dji is dipping their toes in the fpv water and its teething issues, cmon its dji they will reel it in and the next one will be a banger….. they are close now. They design they learn.
I disagree on dji intention. Cinematic is what the other screen based drones are for. This is them seeing all the pilots flying five inch wild shots and responding to that.
My problem with doing the mod is I can solder just fine. It’s putting the damn thing back together but it always jacks me up. At 70 I forget crap. I may send this to you and have you do it.
If you're serious about that feel free to contact me on Instagram @murdersfpv or email me at murders2020@gmail.com. I've already got a couple people sending me theirs.
Great question. All modes work correctly and I confirmed earlier today that return to home and failsafe work as intended. Even turtle mode works just fine.
@@MurdersFPV ahhh this makes sense. I bought the 2203 motors from them and they wouldnt fit my micro apex so went tmotor. Awesome vid btw, cant deny it looks like it flies way better.
I had the same thought but there are no motors currently made as a direct replacement for the DJI FPV motors. That would be more of a Frankenstein job as opposed to these motors which were specifically designed for the Avata.
My Avata finally arrived. Flew my first three packs today. Two in sport and the third in manual. Is it strange than manual seemed easier? I mean, not easier but more in control maybe? Sport mode seemed like it just goes where it wants and I offered suggestions. Manual did as it was told. Only 32 mph but I think I need to disable attitude limits and I slowed my rates to 350/350/300. It was exciting though. My very first real life manual mode flight. I'll disable limits and start slowly turning up my rates tomorrow. Channels like this inspire me. Thanks. I'll be ripping like the sim in no time. Maybe. lol
I'm so glad to hear that, man! It is an incredible feeling and the great thing about the Avata is that you can take it at your pace. It's pretty solid so even pushing it a little is okay, it will stay together. I can't stand flying in Normal or Sports mode. I feel like I have no control and I much prefer the feeling of full manual.
@@MurdersFPV Gonna need more batteries for sure. Thinking about an iFlight freestyle drone so I can use proper 6S lipos and an 1100W 30A charger. I should have some heavy duty stuff around somewhere from my 12S heli days.
Considering the normal and sports modes are "controlled" by the drones software I would recommend not spending the time and money doing the upgrade. It's definitely best utilized in manual mode.
This is amazing! I was relunctant even thinking about the possibility getting an used Avata when new pilots found out the original one isn't for them. But this is just sweet! I'm actually looking forward to it now! Also, You mention that you've tuned cinelog 35. I bought mine last year, but have terrible vibration maybe from the long antenna or the soft camera mount, I'm not sure. I'm wondering if you adjust filter settings at all? or is there anything physical on the quad that you've modified? Thank you!
My Avata hasn't even been delivered yet and I have still never flown manual mode except on the sim and I'm already planning to order these motors. lol... I already know from my helicopter days that I need more power. Even when I was pushing 12-15 hp on 12S with a 530kv motor, I wanted more power. hahaha
The motors make the Avata feel really good. The extra power adds to the overall control of the drone. A little more torque helps with turns and even though you have a reduced flight time you'll appreciate the flight experience.
@@mckrackin5324 it's awkward because I'm sponsored by their competitor (T-Motor) so they knew I wouldn't take it. They did thank me very much and asked if they could use my video on their website. I don't do this to make money. Just to have fun and see others have fun too.
Why? Is there something in the fine print that says you can't use third party manufacturer parts for upgrades and replacements? If you find it please let me know.
@@nmfireman I appreciate your honesty and I legitimately tried to ask DJI directly if they would clarify if this would have an affect on a warranty replacement. They did not respond. In terms of Care Refresh, which is completely different from a warranty replacement, my experience is DJI will replace your drone for the price they have agreed to regardless of what you did to the drone. No questions asked, you send them the remains of your quad and pay them the fee, done. Now in terms of a warranty replacement, you have to prove that whatever caused damage to your drone had to have been caused by a malfunction that is in no way your fault. Having worked with drones and electronics as extensively as I have, I don't see a way for DJI to know if you had motors on the drone that were higher KV. It's a relationship between the battery and the motors through the ESC. So, as long as you are skilled with soldering, you could reinstall the stock motors prior to a warranty claim and they would have a hard time proving anything.
Great video❤hey man i got a question,what if just straight cur the motor wire instead disassemble/desolder ,just cut the stock motor wire and connect to the axis motor?
Do you think this upgrade would make it less useable for real estate video indoors? I do want a little more power but I’m also considering getting into real estate eventually. I normally shoot cars so having some more torque/acceleration would be helpful for my main work
In my opinion, it is not noticeable. It's got to be less for the pure fact they are higher KV motors but I think the improved performance and stability is far worth it.
So excited to see someone properly test these motors! Saw them mentioned by Albert Kim and have been waiting anxiously for a video exactly like this! They do NOT disappoint. One question - there are quite a few video artefacts throughout, and I'm wondering if these are just down to render app / YT compression, or whether you think the increased power to the motors may be affecting the video transmission / recording?
I've noticed this on sunny days with everything on Auto settings and no ND. The light shafts seem to create them and I've definitely noticed it before the motors were installed.
@@MurdersFPV Ah fair enough. Just rewatched and you're right, it seems to be a reaction to those beefy sun flares. I only asked as I haven't seen it in my videos when going from shade into sunlight - as you say, probably because of the ND. Anyway, awesome flying!! Really reassuring and inspiring to see what this thing is capable of (under the right fingers at least!) Thanks again for the video. Look forward to seeing the installation.
@@jackjackjacky7297 for sure. I do plan on doing some more "tutorial" type stuff for the Avata for manual mode flying specifically. I'll cover the subject of landing.
It's hard for me to tell because I never fly Normal or Sports mode. I imagine it would make them slightly more "aggressive" but nothing major. Honestly if you are only flying in those modes I probably wouldn't do the upgrade.
Rates are in the description. 😁
Link to where you can buy the Axisflying C157👇
www.axisflying.com/product/axisflying-c157-motor-for-dji-avata-to-get-more-powerful/
Can’t wait to see the installation ❤ video!
Any video on the install?
It looks like another drone after motor replacement. Great and smooth flight!
I just bought the avata after flaying mavic pro and air for a few years the fun is back I could fly this bird thru and around objects without fear of crashing it. I got motion sickness, I love it. this motor upgrade will be on my next to do list, thanks,
I'm glad to hear that, bro. FPV is a lot of fun and you'll get over the motion sickness eventually.
When Murders messages me and says buy these motors… 😂 never ordered motors so damn fast lol
You're the first person I told after this flight. I was like "Ken is going to fucking love this". 🔥
My dude, that was a sick video. I didn't think the avatar could fly like that!! Because of this vid I'm getting the avatar and some of these motors. Thank you for the info!!!
Great video, looks like a whole new drone! Smart move on Axisflyings part, I'm sure they'll sell a ton of those motors. The aftermarket just might make the Avata the jack of all trades.
I've been waiting to see an after market frame for the DJI FPV.
thanks to your review on the dji fpv i became a full time manual mode pilote ..i was waiting for this one and ias usual i will follow your way and upgrade .Thanks dude
You're so welcome, bro. I'm glad to hear you've taken to flying full time manual mode. I truly believe it adds a level of immersion that makes the FPV experience so much better.
Had to come back and watch again since there are only a few channels rocking these motors. Hopefully you'll keep dropping content. That thing looks like it's on rails for real now.
Working on a "freestyle" edit at an abandoned mill right now. I picked up two extra batteries for a total of 5 because I legit have fun taking this thing to a spot with me. I will definitely will keep posting more videos of this little thing rippin' as best it can. 😅
@@MurdersFPV yeah I know I'm going to want to do this mod but I'd be so POed if I fry my FC or something. I've got power envy. Lol
@@StrillLife dude, I completely understand. Trust me I push this thing crazy hard and if something explodes I will absolutely let everyone know.
@@MurdersFPV lol. Ah man I'm sure you're good. It looks like these are the motors that should have come on the drone. It's the 1st motor mod I've seen for any DJI drone. Makes total sense though. No other drone they've made really warranted a power train upgrade. It looks totally worth it in this case. Looks way more stable and capable.
The last thing you want for a flying object is it to be on rails.
That's an automobile reference.
Nicely done! Yes..these motors sound SO MUCH BETTER!! I see another upgrade coming in the near future for mine as well...thanks for sharing!
This is what needed to be done. Thanks for doing this.
i was waiting for someone to do it aswell
Thank you for offering the installation video! Can’t wait to see it.
What needed to be done was for DJI to build a proper quad.
Thank you very much for the time and effort in this video I just got the avata and c157s 👌
Dude, love your videos! I really appreciate the RUclips algorithm to recommend your channel to me. Happy to be one of the earliest followers. Really nice stuff you put out and I also like the way you talk about things. Sadly I don’t own a Avata, don’t need it though, but the way you were excited about this upgrade makes me wanna try it. :-) keep it up.
I really appreciate the support. I genuinely love flying and if there's anything I can do for the hobby and community so that others can have as much I am having the better.
Laying on my couch and 5 seconds into the flight I had to sit up and pay attention. Can’t say for myself (won’t buy it until it comes with the RC2) but that looks like a major upgrade. Since I only fly in Acro these motors will be a must buy if I pick up the Avata.
So what's funny is my intention was to have a more "professional" approach to the stick cam video and discuss what I was experiencing with significantly less "sh!t" and "fu¢k" bombs but as soon as I was feeling the significant difference in the performance I basically became a 12 year old boy. My excitement level was crazy high. 😅
Avata isn't designed for acro, like most cinewhoops.
Yes please show the upgrade. I'm such a tinkerer and already wanting to upgrade this drone. You got my sub.
Teaching myself using Liftoff. Already so glad that I am not learning assisted modes first.
Wow, your my hero with the patience you just displayed!! 💯🔥🤙👍
I better get my soldering skilllz cranked up a notch. This is great stuff! I can’t wait to see more flying with it!!!
Dude, me too. Like my excitement level to go fly this thing is off the charts.
Excellent video👊👊😎you definitely portray the versatility and durability of this thing...DJI should pay you😜👊👊😎👌keep em coming big dawg🙌
Sei un grande! 👍🏻
I didn't expect to see this! Great job!
Damn this thing rip!!!
Look also very good with the stock tune 😮
Very nice video again man, thanks for the work 🖤
It's so much fun. I was surprised to see how well the tune worked with these. It's an improvement in stability and prop wash handling.
@@MurdersFPV the full yaw without washout was the most impressive
It was as tight as a 5inch overtuned 😅
This is totally rad ! Wow ! Okay, you just got me to subscribe. Well done !
Walmart and eBay has quiet props for the Avata but I don’t know 🤷♀️ if they are any good. They are around 15 or 20 bucks a pop. Thanks for sharing this video! #stayepic
I'm curious about those for sure. I am part 107 and I do occasional real estate work for a friend of mine. I would rather it be a little quieter for those situations.
@@MurdersFPV 100 percent with you! In the current state of affairs when so many get triggered 😤 by drone sounds the quieter the better. I love my quiet neighborhood and I don’t want to be that guy that ruins it for everyone by ticking off the wrong people.
Cool. Gonna try it. Thanks.
Also about your coment on the motor direction. Most drone pilots know that to reveres motor direction all you need to do is swap to of the cables from the motor. This is how we did it before you could program escs. Im happy you tested all this but please take into consideration some stuff like C rating!
I'm aware that swapping motor wires would solve motor direction issues but could you imagine having to figure that out in this particular case? That would be a pain considering how difficult it is to even get to the pads. And what do you mean by "take into consideration C rating"? The difference in KV isn't going to change the discharge rate on the Avata batteries to anything other than the C rating they are designed to output. If a company like Axisflying is going to make motors specifically designed for use on the Avata I would think they spent several man hours testing and making sure the Avata could handle these motors. They would make a lot of people pretty upset and their reputation would go to shit if they messed that up.
Sickest avata flight ever!!!
Has anyone come up with better and or a quieter prop for the Avata? Opp... you just answered that in the video. I was still watching. Lol
I see … thank you
Please do that motor installation video. This one was awsome. Thanks.
Working on it today. I should have it out by tomorrow.
@@MurdersFPV thank you so much
What about putting T-Motor F1507 KV3800? Seems about equivalent motor to C157.
So the base of the Avata motors are a 3 screw triangle design that is something a manufacturer would have to specifically design for. Axisflying made these motors specifically for the Avata. I have not seen any other motors like that.
Great video. I hope you make 10 more just shredding it.
The best channel!!!!! Thank you thank you 🙏🏽
Great vid murder! Love to see you pushing the avata
I legit have a blast flying this little thing.
Looking forward to see the installation video
How about flight time? Is there any decrease?
There is a decrease and I'm trying to see if I can set up a test with a friend who has a completely stock Avata to give a more "scientific" answer. In my flying, I have not noticed a big enough difference for me to ever think the performance increase was not worth it. I'd say maybe a difference of a minute to a minute and a half if that.
10 month later, how many have done this and rate it?
🤯🤯 absolutely amazing bro , tell them to get working on motors for the DJI FPV 😉, great video
Hah! I had the same thought. 😅
Dam thats crazy u can hear the difference the original motors sounded like they were struggling i wish they made some for the dji fpv drone also
Agreed! At least DJI did a much better job of making this drone easier to repair and work on.
Does the upgrade remove the tumble completely?
The tumble ruins my confidence when flying
The 3.5" upgrade does. Not just the motors alone.
Could someone explain how you get more power out of the drone as a whole? I understand the motors themselves are more powerful I just thought the drone would be tuned for the oem motors and you wouldn't get any more power out of it
It's all motors and voltage (battery). A drone with a 6s battery and 2100kv motors has more power than one on 4s and 2100kv. Increased KV alone increases power. Props also affect thrust. Increasing power has nothing to do with the "tune" of a quad unless you have some sort of throttle limit.
hi, so it also sounds better in terms of sound.🙂
Hmm. It's still loud but a little less shrill. Not as annoying.
@@MurdersFPV oke thx,i order them to
I was wondering when someone would come up with an upgrade to the AVATA, glad I came across this video. Next upgrade would be a new base plate/prop guard setup, maybe made with pla filament, with a thinner guard to reduce the guards effect during sharp turns which would probably make it an even better drone. Plus if the infil was light it would reduce the weight and give it even better performance with the original base/guards,
All excellent ideas!
Verry goods
Great upgrade 👍👌
Carrément génial, j’attends de voir quand tu ouvre la bête pour lui greffer ses nouvelles ailes , merci en tout cas!
I hope this takes off. I can do the install. I just don’t want to lose my Care Refresh in the process is my only concern.
Good video and info.
So I tried to get a straightforward answer from DJI but they didn't respond. I look at it this way. I'm going to keep the stock motors and "expertly" reinstall them if I ever have to use Care Refresh.
Is it a fix for the sudden yawing issue that causes the drone to flip extremely on its side when in manual mode and crashes?
So I'm the type of person who tries to avoid making blanket statements and claims without actually having put it through the full gambit of real world testing and situations. I have flown about 7 packs since having installed them and I fly very aggressively. The only claim I can make is from my experience and so far the drone appears to be significantly more stable especially when compared to my experience with this drone prior to the upgrade.
That tumbling issue held me off from getting it. Thanks. I'm ordering the motors before I even get the drone!
I haven't done enough testing/flying in various situations to say the issue is completely resolved but so far in the 7-8 packs I've flown since the upgrade I have not seen a "tumble" and that's with me purposely doing snappy yaw spins. I definitely plan to try it out in more windy conditions and higher altitudes to see if I can get it to happen. It's still a "ducted" drone that has strange flight characteristics because of the reduced airflow for the props so fast snappy maneuvers are something you should always be mindful of. What you might see was something like in the video where the yaw spins are a little loose or wobbly but certainly not something you can't correct for.
Thank you
The link to the motors seems broken.. is there a tutorial on how to properly do the upgrade? Thank you
ruclips.net/video/udXV5qLlJKk/видео.html
Thanks for the info about the link. I fixed it.
@@MurdersFPV thank you
nice vid, its really a good upgrade. the drone flies much smoother !!
Seriously, I was completely shocked how smooth it felt and this footage has not been stabilized at all.
That thing rips now for sure. Way more aggressive. I would love to see some fast cinamatics. You had that thing looking like a freestyle quad.
That's the plan for sure. Over the next few weeks I plan to really highlight the benefit of this improved performance and stability.
@@MurdersFPV cool. I'm thinking for those who want to fly slow and smooth would benefit from these as well. They might be more efficient than the stock motors if you aren't hammering the throttle since they have more torque. Maybe... Maybe not.
Also are they plug and play? Or is there soldering involved? I'm assuming they have plugs. I'd hate to snuff up my Avata with a crappy solder job.
Anyway thanks for the fast response. I subbed. Looking forward to your install video. This jump in tech has got me back in the hobby. I see a revival of my FPV channel on the horizon.
I'm anxious awaiting DJI dropping their new Air Units and the pre made builds that will ensue afterwards. This is the era I've been waiting for.
@@StrillLife it does require soldering so if you have ever soldered motor wires before, it's no different.
The tech right now is super badass and I also can't wait for those new air units.
@@MurdersFPV ah man. I'm used to soldering but I never was that great at it and I haven't done it in a while. Cold solder joints were the death of me early on in this hobby. I got better but I've ruined many a FC from accidental bridging. Motor pads are usually ok though. I'll wait for your video before pulling the trigger on these motors. Lol. Just to be safe.
What props do you prefer on the motor upgrade?
Hey buddy . Welcome to the Philly family.. 🤙🤙 you have a new sub. I want those motors.. YaHOOOOOOOOOOO..
Mikey
Awesome, I’ll give the motors a try!
How's the noise compared to the default motors? Is it getting much louder or is it about the same? Also how does it handle when flying indoor in normal mode?
It handles just as smoothly in doors. But it does have a little more pep. The noise level is about the same to me but slightly less shrill.
@@MurdersFPV Perfect, thanks for the quick response! So you haven't faced any weird issues when using stabilized/normal mode, right?
@@schmetis8586 not that I have seen, but to be fair..I very rarely fly in normal and sports mode. When I first installed the motors I tested it inside my house by flying/hovering around in normal mode with no issues.
Hi, is it possible to use tmotor 1604 instead?? Together with the 3.5 axis frame i mean
Seems to be a good upgrade… Do you think the ESCs can cope with upgrade? As more power must equal more current., and less battery life too? 5 - 6 mins…. I love the Avata, it’s great drone for what it is… My RC rates choice is a little higher than yours at
R 400, 1080, 0.54
P 400, 1080, 0.54
Y 400, 1080, 0.54
The ESC seems to handle it just fine and flight times vary greatly on different factors. On this first flight, my camera angle was at 30 degrees and I was zooming around throughout. Most people are not going that "aggressive" on the throttle which will extend flight times. Even still the total flight was closer to 7-8 minutes which really didn't change much from what I was getting on the stock motors. 400 Center Sensitivity is super high and very twitchy (in my opinion) and in my experience with this drone and the DJI FPV drone, they perform better with a lower center stick sensitivity. Maybe just try it out and see what you think.
So how big is the impact of the new motors on battery life?
I have a video coming out in a few hours discussing this a little more in depth with flight footage to give you an idea of how battery life is affected. To me, I really don't notice much of a difference. Maybe 45 seconds to a minute less, if that. There are so many factors that affect flight times that the new motors feel negligible in the grand scheme. You have to ask yourself if you value performance over flight time.
Avata想提升性能必须换电机，激动人心！谢谢分享！
Mannnn you can fly! Does the battery last longer? Cheers for putting the install video up too
So I’m at the end of video lol battery lasted good.. gotcha…. Definitely look into getting some. Looked way smoother. I was a bit disappointed with stock power
@@Micington this video is a side by side battery life test that is consistent with my experience after the upgrade.
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How did you mount the ag01 stick ends on the dji fpv remote v2? 😅
I bought these last year and then realized you can just remove the top piece and use whatever stick ends you like. 😜
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@@MurdersFPV Awesome, thanks! 😁👍
What about strong wind after upgrade? Is there any difference?
interesting, VERY interesting indeed. Great video.
Thanks, Mads. This alone isn't a complete fix to the Avata "issues" but in my flying so far it's an incredibly huge improvement. You don't get improved flight performance without the cost of flight time. I believe DJI made the choice to try and maximize flight time at the cost of performance and stability which is not something I agree with. It's just a cinewhoop but at least it's one I really enjoy flying. I trusted Axisflying and I'm really glad they didn't let me down.
@@MurdersFPV I REALLY wish DJI had used plug and play motors on the Avata as it would have been better for repairs and made this upgrade less invasive too
Great video! Look forward to the installation video.
I’ve done plenty of custom wiring for trucks and rc building/flying of regular planes and helis many years ago and am wanting to get more into the drone stuff after I played with an dji inspire 1. Loving the fpv factor and was using my inspire as if it was an fpv while I flew it haha.
Any new top speed updates with the motor upgrade?
If run time is not overly affected and the power is way more capable and stable, I wonder why they didn’t start out with such motors when they made it?
Thanks and keep them coming!
Top speed is definitely faster and it's super likely DJI wanted to get as high of "flight times" as possible so they decided to go with motors that pull less juice from the battery.
Makes sense. Any mph readings for differences? I’m comparing a dji fpv vs avata with these motors… if the speed differences are close enough that will help my decision on placing orders :)
Thanks!
Did you wire them onto the ESC? Or did you just splice the wires into the existing wires?
I recommend soldering directly to the ESC. I'll have a video soon that shows the install. I recommend keeping the stock motors just in case you need to put them back on for a replacement.
Impressive upgrade, you just turned the Avata into a much more capable drone!
Maybe add some more aggressive props?
Is that on the stock battery?
How does it affect the flight time?
I'm looking for some prop options. It's the stock battery and it really doesn't seem to noticeably affect the flight time. The performance increase is so substantial I honestly don't mind if the flight times are a minute shorter.
nice review.any difference flight time between stock and axisflying motor?
Hey i have the dji avata aswel but i have a question over the C157 motors. if you use them on the avata do you have any problem with the battery of the avata like battery error ore like battery getting to hot ore even died. just a question :)
I hope the installation video eventually drops, because I've just pulled the trigger on these and I've never worked on a drone before. Soldered other things though, just not a drone.
I'll try to have it out Monday morning.
@@MurdersFPV Great. Look forward to it. Delivery from China will take at least a week anyway. Do the props and carriers go straight back on?
Hello friends, how many Kv is the original engine of the DJI Avata?
Do you have a video on how to install or where?
ruclips.net/video/udXV5qLlJKk/видео.html
send the link of this battery holder. thanks.
My "battery holder" is actually just 2 battery straps I got for free when I ordered some drone parts from Pyrodrone.com 😛
You can use whatever battery straps you want but these are my personal favorite if you want to buy them.
pyrodrone.com/products/pyrodrone-kevlar-battery-strap-w-woven-rubber-grip-metal-buckle-250x20mm
I think the thing is , This was geared for 2 types of people. New pilots into FPV and as a work drone ( real estate ETC...). When its flown aggressively ( how most FPV pilots fly) It fails. Its just not designed for freestyle or freestyle moves. What it does do good at is real estate and things of that nature. Im not a DJI fan but as a business owner of a drone based company they are al i use. As a freestyle pilot its a whole different world. just my opinion
I completely agree but the reality is that they never marketed that way. It's advertised doing "aggressive" flying and getting incredibly dynamic footage. Then what we got was a real estate whoop? 😅🤣
This highlights the versatility of this drone. Sure use it for real estate work if that's what you want but I want to flow down rivers and over the side of a cliff. 😜
I don’t agree with that Sir, if that was the case then manual mode wouldn’t be there or it advertised as such……. Dji is dipping their toes in the fpv water and its teething issues, cmon its dji they will reel it in and the next one will be a banger….. they are close now. They design they learn.
I disagree on dji intention.
Cinematic is what the other screen based drones are for.
This is them seeing all the pilots flying five inch wild shots and responding to that.
Is a cinewoop, and for a cinewoop its the best for now
The DJI Avata is not a real estate drone. LOL.
My problem with doing the mod is I can solder just fine. It’s putting the damn thing back together but it always jacks me up. At 70 I forget crap. I may send this to you and have you do it.
If you're serious about that feel free to contact me on Instagram @murdersfpv or email me at murders2020@gmail.com. I've already got a couple people sending me theirs.
Does the mod affect the auto modes? Like landing/take off/flying in gps mode
Great question. All modes work correctly and I confirmed earlier today that return to home and failsafe work as intended. Even turtle mode works just fine.
Really wish those motors were not T-mount. Would the Tmotor 1507’s 2700 or 3400kv motors not work? They are also not tmount ;)
So the base of these motors are specifically designed to work with the awkward three hole pattern the Avata has as well as the Stock DJI props.
@@MurdersFPV ahhh this makes sense. I bought the 2203 motors from them and they wouldnt fit my micro apex so went tmotor. Awesome vid btw, cant deny it looks like it flies way better.
Wonder if this can be done to the fpv
I had the same thought but there are no motors currently made as a direct replacement for the DJI FPV motors. That would be more of a Frankenstein job as opposed to these motors which were specifically designed for the Avata.
Muchas gracias por compartir esta actualización, te mando un abrazo desde México
My Avata finally arrived. Flew my first three packs today. Two in sport and the third in manual. Is it strange than manual seemed easier? I mean, not easier but more in control maybe? Sport mode seemed like it just goes where it wants and I offered suggestions. Manual did as it was told. Only 32 mph but I think I need to disable attitude limits and I slowed my rates to 350/350/300. It was exciting though. My very first real life manual mode flight. I'll disable limits and start slowly turning up my rates tomorrow. Channels like this inspire me. Thanks. I'll be ripping like the sim in no time. Maybe. lol
I'm so glad to hear that, man! It is an incredible feeling and the great thing about the Avata is that you can take it at your pace. It's pretty solid so even pushing it a little is okay, it will stay together. I can't stand flying in Normal or Sports mode. I feel like I have no control and I much prefer the feeling of full manual.
@@MurdersFPV Gonna need more batteries for sure. Thinking about an iFlight freestyle drone so I can use proper 6S lipos and an 1100W 30A charger. I should have some heavy duty stuff around somewhere from my 12S heli days.
Has the topspeed changed with these motors?
Yes. The drone is faster and more stable. It feels like a different drone.
Do you have to fly in manual to utilize these motors?
Considering the normal and sports modes are "controlled" by the drones software I would recommend not spending the time and money doing the upgrade. It's definitely best utilized in manual mode.
Great work Bro
hello, I really liked your tuned joystick, could you tell me where I can buy them?
This is amazing! I was relunctant even thinking about the possibility getting an used Avata when new pilots found out the original one isn't for them. But this is just sweet! I'm actually looking forward to it now! Also, You mention that you've tuned cinelog 35. I bought mine last year, but have terrible vibration maybe from the long antenna or the soft camera mount, I'm not sure. I'm wondering if you adjust filter settings at all? or is there anything physical on the quad that you've modified? Thank you!
Yes, and I can show you some pictures if you want to hmu on Instagram @murdersfpv.
My Avata hasn't even been delivered yet and I have still never flown manual mode except on the sim and I'm already planning to order these motors. lol... I already know from my helicopter days that I need more power. Even when I was pushing 12-15 hp on 12S with a 530kv motor, I wanted more power. hahaha
The motors make the Avata feel really good. The extra power adds to the overall control of the drone. A little more torque helps with turns and even though you have a reduced flight time you'll appreciate the flight experience.
@@MurdersFPV You definitely make them look good. Axis owes you a commission. lol
@@mckrackin5324 it's awkward because I'm sponsored by their competitor (T-Motor) so they knew I wouldn't take it. They did thank me very much and asked if they could use my video on their website. I don't do this to make money. Just to have fun and see others have fun too.
@@MurdersFPV Good job
... and u just got my sub with this bro!
I guess you can kiss your DJI care refresh by after you do this mod
Why? Is there something in the fine print that says you can't use third party manufacturer parts for upgrades and replacements? If you find it please let me know.
@@MurdersFPV I’m guessing to tell you the truth
@@nmfireman I appreciate your honesty and I legitimately tried to ask DJI directly if they would clarify if this would have an affect on a warranty replacement. They did not respond. In terms of Care Refresh, which is completely different from a warranty replacement, my experience is DJI will replace your drone for the price they have agreed to regardless of what you did to the drone. No questions asked, you send them the remains of your quad and pay them the fee, done. Now in terms of a warranty replacement, you have to prove that whatever caused damage to your drone had to have been caused by a malfunction that is in no way your fault. Having worked with drones and electronics as extensively as I have, I don't see a way for DJI to know if you had motors on the drone that were higher KV. It's a relationship between the battery and the motors through the ESC. So, as long as you are skilled with soldering, you could reinstall the stock motors prior to a warranty claim and they would have a hard time proving anything.
Very interesting…I would like to do this mod. The flight performance looks great!
so i order the 157 axis too ,
Love it.
Mikey
Great video❤hey man i got a question,what if just straight cur the motor wire instead disassemble/desolder ,just cut the stock motor wire and connect to the axis motor?
That works as well.
Do you think this upgrade would make it less useable for real estate video indoors? I do want a little more power but I’m also considering getting into real estate eventually. I normally shoot cars so having some more torque/acceleration would be helpful for my main work
Oh no, not at all. After I did the install I test flew around my apartment indoors from room to room just fine.
@@MurdersFPV awesome thanks for the reply
Not working with me I don't know
whats the battery times tho ? do you loose too much or is it still in a way where you would say, its worth it ?
In my opinion, it is not noticeable. It's got to be less for the pure fact they are higher KV motors but I think the improved performance and stability is far worth it.
So excited to see someone properly test these motors! Saw them mentioned by Albert Kim and have been waiting anxiously for a video exactly like this! They do NOT disappoint.
One question - there are quite a few video artefacts throughout, and I'm wondering if these are just down to render app / YT compression, or whether you think the increased power to the motors may be affecting the video transmission / recording?
I've noticed this on sunny days with everything on Auto settings and no ND. The light shafts seem to create them and I've definitely noticed it before the motors were installed.
@@MurdersFPV Ah fair enough. Just rewatched and you're right, it seems to be a reaction to those beefy sun flares. I only asked as I haven't seen it in my videos when going from shade into sunlight - as you say, probably because of the ND. Anyway, awesome flying!! Really reassuring and inspiring to see what this thing is capable of (under the right fingers at least!) Thanks again for the video. Look forward to seeing the installation.
good video. just wondering what your gain & expo is? or keep it factory setting numbers?
My rates are in the description if you'd like to try them out.
also can you show how to land with m/acro mode safely? (im new to m/acro mode). thanks
@@MurdersFPV thank you very much.
@@jackjackjacky7297 for sure. I do plan on doing some more "tutorial" type stuff for the Avata for manual mode flying specifically. I'll cover the subject of landing.
@@MurdersFPV much appreciated.
Does it affect normal and sport mode in any way?
It's hard for me to tell because I never fly Normal or Sports mode. I imagine it would make them slightly more "aggressive" but nothing major. Honestly if you are only flying in those modes I probably wouldn't do the upgrade.
Can you share your sticks settings please?
My rates are in the description if you'd like to try them.
@@MurdersFPV Sorry! I did not see.