For many people, having this choice gets them into modern gaming without the ridiculous PCMR buy in costs seen in the current market. This option aids to getting them started. 🥰👍
Is sad that before one of the point of PCMR was that you can have a more power setup with the same cost of a console, now with a the console price you get peanuts.
For sure this is a great solution - I got the Series X and still rock my old 7th Gen gaming latop (with 1050ti) for older titles and the Series X for the new stuff. Gaming Pass Ultimate is the way of the future!
If I didn't already have a stronger PC I'd buy a Series S, great little machine for the money. If you pay MS a little fee you can unlock developer mode and install emulators, just store the games externally on an HDD which is fine for older games.
@@HalalHistory Yeah but you don't need anything faster for stuff up to the gen6 console era. Just plug a 4TBHDD with a cache in then -go download a tonne of stuff- legally rip your discs and carts onto the drive hehe and Bob's your mother's brother.
It's a budget build if u take the lights and desk out of the equation. And I think 75 for a keyboard is a bit over the top for a budget build. But no one can complain about the series s. What a machine. Bang for your buck big time. Can't beat it. I've bought one for on the go gaming. Love it.
100 percent this is a great move, although with how cheap really nice Tvs are these days it would make more sense to stick with the couch/TV console set up and forego the desk, unless you only play FPS games and want that mouse and keyboard with high refresh rates.
Yea I use a monitor for my Xbox and the games I play the most are, fortnite, forza horizon 5, halo infinite, and minecraft sometimes. So have a desk with keyboard and mouse and being closer to the screen is great (although sometimes I connect it to the tv to play forza)
Series s is undeniable value. It’s essentially a 6500xt and a 3700x for 300 bucks! It’s offers nice 1080p performance and some light games can even get 1440p with a 4k example being ori and the will of the wisps. Don’t sleep on the series s , ridiculous value at 300 bucks
My conclusion was it’s basically a 8 core 3600 and a newer cut down 5500xt, it’s still a beast for the price tho and is the cheapest way to get into current gen gaming.
picked up a series s for the living room, would of preferred to get another pc in there but these gpu prices are insane so this will do for now, so far I am very impressed with the performance this thing has for the price
This is noice, I have never seen anyone build a PC with a gaming console, so this was something new. Honestly, if I had a Xbox 1, I would make a build like this, but I still have my Xbox 360 lmao. Good thing I got a PC😎😂
Just a tip, when selecting monitors, make sure it is compatible with consoles. I have a 1440p144hz ASUS monitor and a PS5. I have no way to actually use the 120hz capability of the PS5 with the monitor as it is not supported with consoles on the monitor. When connected to my Sony A90J tv, the PS5 works just fine but when connected to the monitor, it only works at 1080p60hz no matter the game. I have contacted support but they said there is no way of manually turning on 144hz no matter the name or make of the console. Also, if you play keyboard mouse, NOT controller think twice before going in for a console rather than a PC. I do play keyboard mouse and can’t play most games that I like as they aren’t on console(such as CS:GO or Valorant which only run on PCs)
I been using the Govee bars and light kit for a while now with the camera and it works perfectly. You definitely missed out on showing it off, maybe it was defective or you didn’t calibrate it.
I've given up on PC gaming at this point in the game. Can't find a decent priced build, so the series X and ps5 will work for now. Glad to know you can use mouse and keyboard on the Xbox.
Series s / x and ps5 offer some really nice performance especially considering their price! The series s is readily available and for 300 bucks offering nice 1080p performance it’s undeniable value
Whatever you do don't buy a pre-build, parts are usually old and you'll have to upgrade in a short time.. I'd recommend building your own buying parts bit by bit.
@@idkwhyibothered I just built myself a $750 PC, I got a 1650 super for $220 on Mercari. The i3 10105F for 90 bucks on Amazon and a nice B6 b560 motherboard for like a hundred bucks. The whole thing was 750 and in this market that's pretty freaking sweet . The i3 10105F will be just fine for now but I can easily upgrade to something like an 11700K in the future when games are more demanding and I need more cores. So I have a nice entry level price now with some upgrade room in the future and PCIe 4.0 support with my mobo. Pretty sweet
I was waiting for an Apex Legends test 😄. Great video as usual, I’m thinking of turning my third bedroom into my office/gaming room (have to quietly get rid of the guest bed first 😉)
Thanx dude I was playing forza on quality but because of this video I gave performance a try. Its a noticable difference especially if you are turning sharply. I dont think I can go back to quality now.
I'm currently building my first gaming pc so I've been binging your vids, damn did I get read at that minute point 😂 Btw, thank you sm for sharing all your knowledge
Them light bars work very well on a TV iv seen a mates they are not for small monitors and has to be Calibrated with the pads in the box to work properly but good vid as always
Tbh, I’d still aim for a PC just because you could get a ryzen apu and slap a card in later. You can even get a cheap benq for like $100 and still use the computer for everyday stuff. But I like the idea of this. I think I’m gonna pick up the Xbox series s and make a similar setup for my deaf brother in my room. He plays my Xbox one all the time anyways. I do like the idea of everything readily available. Everywhere you look has a series s.
That’s the main reason I have a Xbox than a pc cause 1. It’s cheaper 2. It still is good quality I’m ok with 60 fps (cause I have a Xbox one s) 3. I can still use keyboard and mouse 4. And I can bring it wherever 5. And it has like 800 gigs of storage and you can spend like 80 bucks on a 1 TB hardrive but idc
massively considering this, all i have done today is find pc builds that are the same quality and they are near enough £1000 - this is nuts - you have sold me on the series s i think...
Nice 👍🏽 gonna get console setup like this, I have a really good looking and good preforming pc setup but I want a console one so this is the way I’m going.
I’ve tested this like two days ago but not with a keyboard and a mouse. Yeah, I’ve been thinking about getting an extra xbox for myself just to do what you did on this video. I was quite surprised to see sharing stuff I did few days ago but let’s go! We can save sm money if we do this 😁
My setup was super cheap 😂 Xbox one s controller- $18 (i bought it for $15 on Offerup, the joystick rubber has fallen off and it had some discoloring, i cleaned it up and bought new joystick rubber for $3 on ebay it looks brand new Xbox one s- bought it for $120, had some discoloring i cleaned it up and it's like new. Hyperx headset- $35 (i did hours of research to find the best bang for your buck headset and thought this was the best for quality) Tv with mounting- $140 (bought it at the thrift its a 32 inch 720p, 720p sounds bad but it actually looks really nice the colors are bright and u can't really see the pixels unless you're like a foot away from the screen. For about $320 i have a whole set up, everything runs nicely and i saved hundreds being creative.
i personally use the G203, it is the best mouse you can get for £20, and you get a lot more than you pay for. you have advanced software for it, custom rgb, macros, high quality buttons that'll last a long time, insanely good sensor with a 1,000Hz polling rate + 8,000 DPI and I'm really happy with it. it's a bit on the heavier side, but that doesn't outweigh the positives at all (no puns intended ;)
My setup is about 1200$, that may seem expensive, which it is, but for a PC setup its actually not lol, with some being upwards of 10k 1200 is quite average. My PC is a ryzen 5 3500, gtx 1650 super, 16gb 3200mhz ram, 256gb nvme SSD, 4tb HDD, rk61 blue switch keyboard, razer nari essential, logitech g502, fifine k669b USB mic, a 30$ desk from Walmart, pixio px248 prime 144hz ips 1ms monitor, steelseries xl mouse pad, logitech z333 speakers, a patiomage gaming chair, and that's about it. It runs fortnite at 144fps easy (Which is basically the only game I play, I play ark occasionally which is a very demanding game and I get 80-90fps average at medium settings.)
The monitor is just displaying your image, you need something to provide it with that image, whether that’s your console (Xbox/PS/Nintendo Switch etc.), your PC, your laptop, your Fire TV Stick etc.
8 zen 2 cores, 8GB of DDR6, 1/2 TB SSD, 4TB up to date GPU and a controller for £250 is good value. When you consider a 6th of that is VAT and it includes the retail mark up MS is supplying them for around £160 per pop. Now give MS a few quid for dev mode and install emulators + plug an old HDD in for those games.
Would this be ok for my first “pc” gaming setup. I was thinking about going with the xbox bc you can still use mouse and keyboard and then save up for a pc
If u want a “pc” set up then this really isn’t anything buy a console using a monitor instead of a tv, so if that’s wut u want then yea, keep in mind u won’t be able to play many pc exclusive games tho.
This is pretty much my build. Series S with LG24GL650f, cosmic byte firefly mechanical keyboard and zero-g gaming mouse. Only thing missing is a headset for which I'm using a regular JBL wired earphone as I can't find any good headphones thanks my own nitpicking 😂😂
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For many people, having this choice gets them into modern gaming without the ridiculous PCMR buy in costs seen in the current market. This option aids to getting them started. 🥰👍
Is sad that before one of the point of PCMR was that you can have a more power setup with the same cost of a console, now with a the console price you get peanuts.
You can build a gaming pc way cheaper and probably better lol
@@Rolly.Polly. cap, you need atleast triple the price of the series s to match its power.
@@Rolly.Polly. do share the build for this price
@@Rolly.Polly. not at the moment unfortunetaly
For sure this is a great solution - I got the Series X and still rock my old 7th Gen gaming latop (with 1050ti) for older titles and the Series X for the new stuff. Gaming Pass Ultimate is the way of the future!
If I didn't already have a stronger PC I'd buy a Series S, great little machine for the money. If you pay MS a little fee you can unlock developer mode and install emulators, just store the games externally on an HDD which is fine for older games.
Agreed, let's see how Sonys version of Gamepass unfolds in coming year.. if they proceed
@@darthwiizius you don’t even need to store roms on a hdd for Xbox
@@HalalHistory
Yeah but you don't need anything faster for stuff up to the gen6 console era. Just plug a 4TBHDD with a cache in then -go download a tonne of stuff- legally rip your discs and carts onto the drive hehe and Bob's your mother's brother.
It's a budget build if u take the lights and desk out of the equation. And I think 75 for a keyboard is a bit over the top for a budget build. But no one can complain about the series s. What a machine. Bang for your buck big time. Can't beat it. I've bought one for on the go gaming. Love it.
100 percent this is a great move, although with how cheap really nice Tvs are these days it would make more sense to stick with the couch/TV console set up and forego the desk, unless you only play FPS games and want that mouse and keyboard with high refresh rates.
Depends on what the tv is, some tvs have ghosting to them.
Yea I use a monitor for my Xbox and the games I play the most are, fortnite, forza horizon 5, halo infinite, and minecraft sometimes. So have a desk with keyboard and mouse and being closer to the screen is great (although sometimes I connect it to the tv to play forza)
Mouse and keyboard sucks on Xbox, it lags for some reason and a lot of games don’t have an fob slider so it gives you headaches
Fr like idk if I should get a pc or ps5
@@iwantanxbox8765 you can link consoles?
Series s is undeniable value. It’s essentially a 6500xt and a 3700x for 300 bucks! It’s offers nice 1080p performance and some light games can even get 1440p with a 4k example being ori and the will of the wisps. Don’t sleep on the series s , ridiculous value at 300 bucks
My conclusion was it’s basically a 8 core 3600 and a newer cut down 5500xt, it’s still a beast for the price tho and is the cheapest way to get into current gen gaming.
@@uniqifyy2771 yup , basically a 3700x and 6500xt
I was very surprised when I found out Mass Effect LE is 4k30/1440p60 on the series s
Hahaha back to back. "We love wood on this channel" "let's bring the third leg into the picture"
😬
Cheeky!
"Feet go in whole".
@@shalow9158 yikes
saw this comment exactly as he was saying it 😂
This helped me out a lot, looking into making a good gaming setup for yt and streaming. thanks for this, keep it up ur doing great!
That’s good but one question why on console 💀
@@Limicky i didnt watch the full video, but i didnt even notice its console i thought it was PC lmfao
@@kn0cksfn318 same I I didn’t finish so idk ima just finish it
Thank you so much, I’ve been searching for days for a nice and simple setup and here it is delivered to me on a silver platter
Can I use the monitor without a pc just my ps5???
Did you cop?
@@KayCelone yes.
picked up a series s for the living room, would of preferred to get another pc in there but these gpu prices are insane so this will do for now, so far I am very impressed with the performance this thing has for the price
So glad that I can rely on you to have awesome videos for me to watch during my lunch breaks! Much love all the way from Texas ❤️🔥
This is EXACTLY what i was looking for
Love my series s tbh, using it with the gigabyte m27q and it’s great for playing halo
This is noice, I have never seen anyone build a PC with a gaming console, so this was something new. Honestly, if I had a Xbox 1, I would make a build like this, but I still have my Xbox 360 lmao. Good thing I got a PC😎😂
It's just an xbox series s mate
nice btw what are your PC SPECS
@@amogeanyanwu3126 Motherboard: Gigabyte B560M Aorus PRO AX
CPU: i5 11600K
Case: Thermaltake V200 RGB
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16GB (2 8GB sticks)
Storage: WD Blue 3D NAND SATA SSD M.2 2280 1TB
Monitor: MSI G271
Keyboard & Mouse: Corsair K55 + Harpoon RGB
Why ya ask?
@@redx4real na nothing seriously
just wanna know what games you play
@@amogeanyanwu3126 Well I mainly play Roblox, Crossout, and Trove. I want a few gift cards to get some more games this Christmas tho
The xbox series s used to have a 120 fps mode on halo but they for some reason removed it, I hope they bring it back.
You have such a great personality! Very fun
Aww
@@PcCentric lol
I have that same exact desk. Using it right now. Honestly the best money I’ve spent setup wise it’s so good
i can’t catch the name of the desk to save my life what’s the name?
Nothing wrong with iiyama monitors. I have the ultrawide 34" red eagle and it's first class 👍🎮
Does it work with the series s I just want to be sure
@@l.cameron it should work with any device with hdmi 👍
Alright thanks mate
One thing that I actually need, A detailed step by step tutorial of where to buy parts and how build a PC,"in detail"
Just a tip, when selecting monitors, make sure it is compatible with consoles. I have a 1440p144hz ASUS monitor and a PS5. I have no way to actually use the 120hz capability of the PS5 with the monitor as it is not supported with consoles on the monitor. When connected to my Sony A90J tv, the PS5 works just fine but when connected to the monitor, it only works at 1080p60hz no matter the game. I have contacted support but they said there is no way of manually turning on 144hz no matter the name or make of the console. Also, if you play keyboard mouse, NOT controller think twice before going in for a console rather than a PC. I do play keyboard mouse and can’t play most games that I like as they aren’t on console(such as CS:GO or Valorant which only run on PCs)
have you tried a displayport to hdmi 2.0/2.1 adapter? that might work.
You need a monitor that supports hdmi 2.1
@@eyeballpaul-iq2qs you only need hdmi 2.1 if you want 4k with 2.0 you get 120 fps on 1440
The best games are on console
@@promo130 Depends on personal views
I watched 1000 videos and this is the one that helped me the most. I will definitely try this out and thank you so much for sharing all of this to us.
I been using the Govee bars and light kit for a while now with the camera and it works perfectly. You definitely missed out on showing it off, maybe it was defective or you didn’t calibrate it.
An affordable setup my prayers have been answered
Love from 🇳🇿 New Zealand
I've given up on PC gaming at this point in the game. Can't find a decent priced build, so the series X and ps5 will work for now. Glad to know you can use mouse and keyboard on the Xbox.
Series s / x and ps5 offer some really nice performance especially considering their price! The series s is readily available and for 300 bucks offering nice 1080p performance it’s undeniable value
Mouse and keyboard doesn’t work for every game unfortunately
Whatever you do don't buy a pre-build, parts are usually old and you'll have to upgrade in a short time.. I'd recommend building your own buying parts bit by bit.
@@idkwhyibothered I just built myself a $750 PC, I got a 1650 super for $220 on Mercari. The i3 10105F for 90 bucks on Amazon and a nice B6 b560 motherboard for like a hundred bucks. The whole thing was 750 and in this market that's pretty freaking sweet . The i3 10105F will be just fine for now but I can easily upgrade to something like an 11700K in the future when games are more demanding and I need more cores. So I have a nice entry level price now with some upgrade room in the future and PCIe 4.0 support with my mobo. Pretty sweet
I was waiting for an Apex Legends test 😄. Great video as usual, I’m thinking of turning my third bedroom into my office/gaming room (have to quietly get rid of the guest bed first 😉)
I loved this video man! Was expecting a pc but that setup was nice ;!!
Thanks once again for your beautiful work
The best “pc” if you don’t have a lot of money, but It would be great with the series x because is literally a mini pc
Thanx dude I was playing forza on quality but because of this video I gave performance a try. Its a noticable difference especially if you are turning sharply. I dont think I can go back to quality now.
I'm currently building my first gaming pc so I've been binging your vids, damn did I get read at that minute point 😂
Btw, thank you sm for sharing all your knowledge
same loool
The xbox has microsft edge so you can use a web broser
Them light bars work very well on a TV iv seen a mates they are not for small monitors and has to be Calibrated with the pads in the box to work properly but good vid as always
Tbh, I’d still aim for a PC just because you could get a ryzen apu and slap a card in later. You can even get a cheap benq for like $100 and still use the computer for everyday stuff. But I like the idea of this. I think I’m gonna pick up the Xbox series s and make a similar setup for my deaf brother in my room. He plays my Xbox one all the time anyways. I do like the idea of everything readily available. Everywhere you look has a series s.
I died when he said “we love wood on this channel.” 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
Then followed it up with. "Brining in my third leg."
By this video you got a new subscribers
the headphones u put in the setup are litterally the ones i have on my haead rn
This a good video because
not everyone is rich and look very clean with one monitor
good job
This is cool. I’m trying to setup my twins gaming room and I have no idea what to buy
Dude… I have the exact same setup my family has been giving me for presents for like the past 3 years
This is my setup lol, the series s/x is dope
Can i play farm sim and other simulator games with mods on this build?
That’s the main reason I have a Xbox than a pc cause 1. It’s cheaper 2. It still is good quality I’m ok with 60 fps (cause I have a Xbox one s) 3. I can still use keyboard and mouse 4. And I can bring it wherever 5. And it has like 800 gigs of storage and you can spend like 80 bucks on a 1 TB hardrive but idc
Bro u helped me so much I just need a monitor to get a whole inter gaming setup thanks to u
This is the cleanest setup i ever seen!
Awesome video! 👍👍
BRO tysm bro this helped me a lot I was in IKEA Netherlands when I was watching this vid so thank you so much tis helped me
massively considering this, all i have done today is find pc builds that are the same quality and they are near enough £1000 - this is nuts - you have sold me on the series s i think...
Should have went with a 27” 1440p monitor for a little extra. 1440p 60/120hz is the series s bread and butter.
Nice 👍🏽 gonna get console setup like this, I have a really good looking and good preforming pc setup but I want a console one so this is the way I’m going.
Love the setup
Just bought an xbox series s on offer up for $150 and it works perfectly
“we love wood on this channel” LMAOO
i think even more budget-y is an xbox one x-s i use an xbox one s and it works very well honestly even after 3 years of serving me
For casual gamers this console is damn near perfect
Bruh if I had the money, I would buy this RIGHT NOW like LITERALLY RIGHT NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Please can you do a video of everything we need to do once we’ve built a pc for the first time
Jaytwocents already did that it just look up what to do after building pc and his video should be one of the top results
Might do something like this and wait till the the Nvidia 4XXX series comes out or even 5XXX for when budget gpus can compete with the series S
I’ve tested this like two days ago but not with a keyboard and a mouse. Yeah, I’ve been thinking about getting an extra xbox for myself just to do what you did on this video. I was quite surprised to see sharing stuff I did few days ago but let’s go! We can save sm money if we do this 😁
My gf wants the option of playing Xbox games but only wants to play keyboard and mouse. I think I just found what she needs! Great video!
Nice enjoyed this
replace the keyboard with a red dragon k552 much cheaper and works extremely well (mines works fine after 2.5 years of intense use)
This is really a nice setup sir!
Great content!
Finally a video for us working class people 🤣🤣
Love your vids man 👍🏻
My setup was super cheap 😂
Xbox one s controller- $18 (i bought it for $15 on Offerup, the joystick rubber has fallen off and it had some discoloring, i cleaned it up and bought new joystick rubber for $3 on ebay it looks brand new
Xbox one s- bought it for $120, had some discoloring i cleaned it up and it's like new.
Hyperx headset- $35 (i did hours of research to find the best bang for your buck headset and thought this was the best for quality)
Tv with mounting- $140 (bought it at the thrift its a 32 inch 720p, 720p sounds bad but it actually looks really nice the colors are bright and u can't really see the pixels unless you're like a foot away from the screen.
For about $320 i have a whole set up, everything runs nicely and i saved hundreds being creative.
i personally use the G203, it is the best mouse you can get for £20, and you get a lot more than you pay for. you have advanced software for it, custom rgb, macros, high quality buttons that'll last a long time, insanely good sensor with a 1,000Hz polling rate + 8,000 DPI and I'm really happy with it. it's a bit on the heavier side, but that doesn't outweigh the positives at all (no puns intended ;)
Totally agree with you on the music, I listen to hospital radio, Forza 4 was so good to listen to, this one I’m constantly changing stations ☹️
Made my day ❤🎉
That's brilliant! I never considered a series S as a gamer setup.
The fuck? It’s a GAME console… what do YOU use it for? To wash your hands with?
Can you use a Xbox one s instead?
1:41 love a bit of wood and 3rd leg bit sus there mate
happy new year :)
Can you do a video playing Quake on the Nintendo Switch with a mouse and keyboard?
Good review!
This is amazing
I was about to spend $1500 on a gaming set up but I think this might be my move
I love your videos 😁
I’m on this setup and till I get a pc but for now it does the job.
Series s is seriously OP AF
120hz on WarZone and Fortnite is a huge leap from 60fps
For a $70 keyboard you should take a gk61 it’s just the best for it’s price
ayo ty. now ik what desk im gonna get
Nothing worse than seeing a gaming or podcast setup video with gear that would cost the average joe or jane $5-$10k. Cheers for the video.
Hey man i don't know much about pcs and couldn't get much help from Google so just gonna ask here
Is i5 11400f and rx 5700 a good combo??
I have a g203 mouse for my first build and I love it!!
I think every game in xbox must support keyboard and mouse. That makes the work more easy.
This is pretty much exactly what my brother did! It works great
Does an Xbox one work for the monitor or just Xbox series s
My setup is about 1200$, that may seem expensive, which it is, but for a PC setup its actually not lol, with some being upwards of 10k 1200 is quite average. My PC is a ryzen 5 3500, gtx 1650 super, 16gb 3200mhz ram, 256gb nvme SSD, 4tb HDD, rk61 blue switch keyboard, razer nari essential, logitech g502, fifine k669b USB mic, a 30$ desk from Walmart, pixio px248 prime 144hz ips 1ms monitor, steelseries xl mouse pad, logitech z333 speakers, a patiomage gaming chair, and that's about it. It runs fortnite at 144fps easy (Which is basically the only game I play, I play ark occasionally which is a very demanding game and I get 80-90fps average at medium settings.)
This what I played while I was waiting on my pc to come through mail
The mail?! How small was the PC 😂
Always dropping stuff on my foot too, feels
this list should have came a month ago so I could get all of this for Christmas.
Hi, I'm new to all this. Can I just get the monitor, or do I have to buy a pc with it?
The monitor is just displaying your image, you need something to provide it with that image, whether that’s your console (Xbox/PS/Nintendo Switch etc.), your PC, your laptop, your Fire TV Stick etc.
8 zen 2 cores, 8GB of DDR6, 1/2 TB SSD, 4TB up to date GPU and a controller for £250 is good value. When you consider a 6th of that is VAT and it includes the retail mark up MS is supplying them for around £160 per pop. Now give MS a few quid for dev mode and install emulators + plug an old HDD in for those games.
nice vid mate
Buying Fantech is better for budget setup rather than the budget range of Logitech. They just don't put enough effort on that
next year im getting two thousand dollar budget, should i get two monitors or one?
can you make a video about which games you can play with a keyboard and mouse on xbox
Love this vid
Would this be ok for my first “pc” gaming setup. I was thinking about going with the xbox bc you can still use mouse and keyboard and then save up for a pc
If u want a “pc” set up then this really isn’t anything buy a console using a monitor instead of a tv, so if that’s wut u want then yea, keep in mind u won’t be able to play many pc exclusive games tho.
This is pretty much my build. Series S with LG24GL650f, cosmic byte firefly mechanical keyboard and zero-g gaming mouse. Only thing missing is a headset for which I'm using a regular JBL wired earphone as I can't find any good headphones thanks my own nitpicking 😂😂
This video made me sub