Your hearing loss is not service related...
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- A brief on 20th-century war-related hearing loss.
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Movies featured (In order of appearance):
Black Hawk Down 2001
Half Shot Shooters 1936
The Great Dictator 1940
Beneath Hill 60 (2010)
War Horse 2011
The Flintstones (Series)
Saving Private Ryan 1998
Band of Brothers 2001
Red Dawn 1984
Snatch 2000
Valkyrie 2008
Catch-22 (1970)
A Bridge Too Far 1977
Heat 1995
The Simpsons (Series)
#history #ww2
My hearing loss is totally service related. I went deaf in one ear because some kid in a Modern Warfare lobby in 2009 told me he was gonna have intercourse with my mother at a volume of 130 decibels.
Thank you for your service
Unfortunate, but I heard it was just common during the Console Wars.
The squeaker... the most despicable lifeform in video games
Hahahaha
thank you for your service 🙏
When a person claims that the noise doesn't bother them anymore and they are used to it, they have hearing loss.
Well crap then lol
Explain the chirp of them ceiling birds
@@ScreechingPossum kek
Oh well I guess
I've worked in factories before using nail and staple guns and the first time I used it had immediate ear ringing so the next day I started wearing cans. The only person who wore them every single time to save my hearing. Guys probably got hearing damage within a week and didnt hear that ringing but that ringing is an entire range of frequencies you can't hear anymore. You might feel uncool being the only person wearing ear defenders but atleast you won't be deaf in the next 20 years. Also shooting as a cadet with the military, the sound would be so loud even with ear defenders your ears would still ring a bit. I can't imagine being next to an artillery piece with no hearing protection.
SORRY. I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER MY MILITARY GRADE TINNITUS!!
Eh?
@@BigBubbaloola mawp? mawp?
3M earplugs
Me, watching this video with my tinnitus ringing, thinking about the 3M earpro lawsuit…
That was real? Man i thought those tv commercials were fake or smth
@@nursestoylandthey were real. Cutoff was December 2023. Payouts started right after
@@nursestoyland Yes. Was a huge scandal. hundreds of thousands of our soldiers earpro was not effective.
"What about their ears??? They don't need those...."
@@gohsk1512CEO grindset--f🤬ck those flesh automatons and their non aug ears, they can just recombinate a new set and stop complaining that it's "making them miserable" or something
Why is there no audio?? I only hear a slight “beeeeep”.
That's your auditory nerve dying. Soon you will never hear the frequency of the beep again for the rest of your life. So, enjoy it.
@@Stefan_W.you’re joking, right?
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
You and me bro.
We all hear the same song. 45 years of eeeeeee.
Just in case anyone asking "why M1 Garand makes 168 dB noise and 16-inch battleship gun makes only 195 that doesn't seem too much", decibel is logarithmic, meaning each increase of 10 dB represents a 10-fold increase in sound intensity. So 27 dB difference doesn't mean 27 times more intense, but almost 1000 times (intense, not "louder", because how we perceive loudness is pretty weird and I'm not smart enough to explain that)
no, every 10db is a 10x increase in power (3db = 2x), a 3.16x increase in sound pressure (6dB = 2x), and a 2x increase in audible volume.
@@TearsofsoilYou're right that it's logarithmic but the rest you said is wrong. The volume of the sound is proportional to 10 raised to the decibel number divided by 10. Therefore a 27 decibel increase means 501 times the sound intensity. (10^2.7~=~501)
Thanks a lot! Good enough is good enough!
@@JWQweqOPDHmfw people don't understand how log and base10 works
For the laymen: The higher the number goes up, the faster your eardrums fk up.
It is shameful that modern military's tried for so long to deny that this was even a thing. Just like football and concussions.
Hell, they still try to, so many vets are withheld from their benefits due to "non service related injuries"
Shameful but believable - they couldn't hear anyone complaining.
Same with back and joint problems due to carrying heavy equipment for extended periods of time.
This might be obvious but idk, lol. Why don't soldiers wear simple earplugs like for construction and loud machines? They're not too deafening for communication and I figure they'd be better than nothing, right?
@@TheNotoriousMrDeewith the stress of combat, your hearing can be really selective. idk if you've ever had an experience where you were focusing super hard on something and everything else tuned out, but that's kind of how it can be. plus, you don't always have time to put in earbuds, since not every engagement is one you're prepared for. my buddy in the marines was issued earbuds with his kit, and he says even the people who gave it to him said they weren't ever gonna be used
But...but...the ping of the M1 Garand told everybody you were out of ammo! That's when the Kamaikaze Banzai Blitzkriegs always started!
Rumor is that if the Poles hadn't had an M1 Garand run out of ammo in 1939, WW2 would never have happened.
I heard it was the Persian Immortals on Wargs from Cardassia who defeated Poland by capturing their supply depots.
Yall are hilarious 😂
@@LonovavirDid he ever get that monument on Cardassia Prime?
These were probably isolated incidents. You'd have to be right on top of the guy to hear that over other weapons being used.
I think its hilarious you brought up the movie Heat... I use that movie as my #1 example of how gunfights would actually go. The director specifically wanted it to be more real sounding, understanding that when guns are blazing, thats ALL you hear
It was also because they used blanks fully loaded with gunpowder, as most movies only use them quarter filled, Correct me if I’m wrong.
@@GunnerHeatFire They often do have full size powder loads, else the gun won't cycle, especially as there is no dwell time, or pressure curve from pushing the projectile.
Which is part of why direct impingement types (ar15/m16 family) often need to have a BFA or blank firing adapter or special muzzle device to cycle properly, as the gas system needs pressure to send the bolt carrier backwards
His other movie took me by surprise. Collateral is more of a thriller movie so the sudden and loud af action scene scared the shit out of me.
It's a fine enough example for audio but it is not a great example for "how gunfights would actually go." Lots of funky things happen in it. Everyone's shooting in full-auto; people in real life almost always use semi-auto when shooting rifles, doubly so when unsupported. The volume of fire the robbers put out is higher than it could realistically be: With actual 30-round mags and full-auto, even with a few pauses for their long bursts, they'd be reloading every few seconds. The robbers land tons of hits in full-auto, offhand, while under a ton of fire, from both ahead and behind, with essentially 0 indications of being suppressed (not even flinching).
Nowadays you can add the Tarkov Raid movie to the list. Incredibly loud and raw sounding gunfights.
I remember when I was in an 8" artillery battalion. I could not hear a woman's voice on the radio. I only passed the hearing test because I could see the warrant officer pushing a button to cause the tone. When she pushed a button, I pushed a button. Never heard a single beep. Fortunately, my hearing recovered in subsequent years.
"I remember when I was in an 8" artillery battalion." Playing with the small guns I see.
So you are Nicholas cage 😂
They get you to face the other way now lol
I was diagnosed with hyperacusis (from a work accident) in 2007. At the time there was little to no treatment available. When I was starting another job in 2015, I went looking for a simple factsheet I could give the H&S people at my new employer and found heaps of advice and support available through the NHS. It's really for the newly diagnosed, when it is still treatable, but I was surprised how much it had come along in under a decade. Apparently, this is because it affects a lot of our veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan and the forces developed solutions to start treating it early,
Also, thanks for mentioning the impact on factory workers. My mother suffered hearing loss as a teenager working in a factory in WWII. she was told, at the time, it would "just wear-off" and that she would get used to the noise.
Stop bragging. You're not *THAT* cute.
@@tomconneely1361 Makes me sick how people are treated like cogs. Thank you for sharing
Armies are also rapidly developing and adopting the use of suppressing devices on their weapons throughout the common ranks. This has the equal benefit of denying the enemy accurate location of your positions but also protects their hearing.
In all the clips from ukraine every soldiger russian and ukrianian has a silincer
Those are high end units.
@@historyisawesome6399it depends really, i've seen some footage of men with stock AK's alongside men with completely kitted out M4's and .308 rifles. i think a lot of it is that most of the ukrainian army allows personal weapon usage and purchasing of attachments and stuff. this is just from what i've seen though, i am by absolutely no means an expert. i just play video games and watch youtube a lot lol
I've heard claims that a suppressor will clog up with carbon deposits after firing a few dozen rounds (rapidly with no cleaning), but it probably depends on gunpowder quality, barrel length (longer barrels burning more powder before the muzzle), and suppressor design.
@@JWQweqOPDH nah, a quality suppressor doesn’t need to be cleaned that often. Modern 3D printed cans are more sensitive to carbon buildup, but way more than dozens of rounds. Conventional baffle stack designs do generate a lot of back pressure that sends a lot of hot gasses and fouling into the action of a DI gun like an M4, and generally induces more wear and tear on the gun, so the gun itself needs to be cleaned more regularly. Newer 3D printed designs minimize the amount of blowback and are referred to also as “flow through” cans as well.
As a Marine Corps vet, I can assure you that any service in a combat MOS can result in hearing loss. I started as an 0341 mortarman and moved on to 0844/45 Observer and have slight hearing loss issues due to that exposure. The VA is starting to admit that hearing loss is covered, as it should be.
Another Kansan too and a Marine? 😁 When I was discharged from the Marines back in 2023, I was told several times that hearing loss could not be claimed anymore since we were "peacetime" or something along those lines, but not sure how true that was.
@@khangnguyen7280, I was medically discharged in 1989 as a GMG2 after 8 years in. My hearing loss came from M2, M14, M60 and 3'50 on LST 1189. Later it came from a 16"50 on the battleship Missouri and more small arms. My rack was right by a large blower that was on 24/7 and only turned off when on shore power, slept by that thing 3 months straight back in 1986. VA awarded me service connected hearing loss back in the late 1990's and issued hearing aids.
@@khangnguyen7280that sounds idiotic brother. I don’t really have much ground to stand on for hearing loss according to my tests but I know I have it due to trouble with conversations sometimes. Most of my damage is from ranges and a loud helicopter ride.
@@khangnguyen7280 Jesus. F'in VA offices doing everything they can to deny a vet a claim. Just give it to them if they served. The mental anguish of serving, is enough.
@@khangnguyen7280 I've not heard that at all from my VA in Leavenworth and Topeka. I get the same treatment as my Dad and Uncle who are Vietnam vets, and I served 1986 to 1990.
HUH? MY WHAT?
Beat me to the punch! 😂
@@chardaskie BEAT WHAT? WHAT?
THE SHERRIF IS NEAR!
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeears
@@chardaskie NO THANKS, I ALREADY HAD LUNCH!
I'm from a country where guns are uncommon and I'm not in an industry where firearms are needed. The first time I heard guns go off in a shooting range in another country, I thought it would be fine if I just "toughed it out" like some others at the range. My ears actually started to hurt after hearing a few more shots so I immediately put on hearing protection. The biggest rounds being fired there were .45 caliber. It's hard to believe some militaries still refuse to acknowledge hearing damage among soldiers.
I was close to a grenade explosion in Vietnam in 1969. It buggered my hearing and now at 78 I have constant tinnitus and a couple of types of vertigo. Hearing aids aren’t doing much for me now and a lot of my life is miserable as a result. Fortunately I saw it coming and ducked down behind sandbags. It went off less than 18” from my left ear. However if I hadn't seen it coming and ducked.......
There was a comment here explaining how they get their tinnitus to go away.
The short version is to muffle your ears with your palms and then drum your fingers on your neck for at least one minute up to five minutes for temporary reprieve.
I'm glad something simple works for them and hopefully for you too.
@@nathanirick8693 I didn’t read it all Nathan so thanks for pointing that out to me. However I’ve been putting up with the tinnitus for 30 years or more and I guess Im used to it, and it’s the hearing loss and vertigo that are the main problems these days. Thanks mate.
@@diggerrob6356you know what, double thanks to you for that service! I really hope you get the respect especially since I assume you volunteered in one of the hardest time/places to be.
My hearing loss is service related.
I'm a kindergarten teacher
That scene you referenced from Heat reminded me of how when I was in, our battery unironically used that exact gunfight scene as a distinct example of a covered retreat while under fire.
Sherman said it best, War is Hell... and F-ing loud too.
He's right on that.
I retired in 2003. In 1995 after coming back to Florida from Hawaii, I woke up around 4am because I thought our fire alarm was going off. Everything was fine in the house, so I went outside to check. The "Ringing" was still loud as hell & as I learned shortly afterwards it is "Tinnitus". The ringing - Never - stops. Not even for a second in 29 years. I have managed to live with it, but it was difficult to go to sleep for the first few years. The V.A. solution, hearing aids. That only amplifies the ringing. So I do without the hearing aids and the benefit from that is a lot of times I can't hear my wife~! Shalom
I'm in the same boat as you. My tinnitus varies in loudness and frequency and sometimes hard to understand some words. But something happens sometimes and wondering if happens to you. Out of the blue I will hear a small "pop" in one of my ears and lose hearing in that ear. Hearing then returns after a few minutes but with louder ringing.
@@samuelschick8813 It stays a steady ringing like a siren blasting as long as I am awake. My sinus problems increase it at times, but I have not had the pop like you have. My wife get angry at times because I miss what she is saying & ask that she repeat what she just said. If I am outside "active" like swimming in the pool or playing golf with friends I do not notice it as much.
@@politicsuncensored5617, Sometimes mine keep me from sleep for a few days. As for the hearing aids. I could turn them up which would "cancel" the ringing. But then every sound was way to loud, like screaming in my ears. You remember the old TV sign off noise from back in the day? Mines like that noise.
My mom has mild tinnitus and she likes to sit by the creek, because the gentle noise of flowing water blanks out the tinnitus.
@@ML-dk7bf If I swim in our pool it does the same thing for me. I like to walk at the beach about 5 miles from our home. The wave-wind sounds blanks it all out.
The opening scene of Saving Private Ryan is the first depiction of the noise in combat that I remember seeing that accurately depicts the temporary deafness that would result from repeated explosions and gunfire going on all around you. But I do wonder about hearing loss even in earlier gunpowder battles - muskets, like all firearms, were incredibly loud and soldiers standing side by side firing for prolonged periods of time must have made them almost deaf.
_Archer_ does a great job as well. And line infantry was definitively deaf, after all there's a reason all commands are underlined with sabre movements in front and gentle nudges by the sergeants pike from the back...
The deafness is temporary at first but it accumulates as time goes on and one is exposed constantly. I speak from experience.
Imagine a cannon deck on a Napoleonic-era man-o-war. They couldn't fire all cannons at once or the recoil stops would rip the hull apart, so you'd be consistently deafened by rhythmic thunderclaps (inside a cramped ship) one after the other lol.
@@TheNotoriousMrDeedrachinefel recently did a response to this! Apparently wax and cotton wadding was very common. The main problem was actually hearing *over* the cannons, not the deafness itself. Can’t help but feel bad for those that didn’t quite have enough time to plug their ears though…
@@Bigswinn Oh yeah I remember hearing about the wax, now. Good idea, that
Growing up around guns, being an LEO for 32 years, 20 of that on SWAT and as a range master, I can attest it took a toll on my hearing. When we built our indoor range I made sure that everyone that helped me had electronic ears. Everyone else was required to wear earmuffs whether they wanted to or not, some tried earplugs only and that’s fine for outside but inside your surrounded by sound bouncing back at you. I didn’t give them the choice. Even after all that I still hear ringing right now as I type this.
And my annual goose hunt hasn’t helped either but this year I plan on making a change.
10% tinnitus gang
I was 10% but have no idea what it's at now. First filed for leg in 1990 and was given 10% and that increased to 30% few years later. Then VA pulled me in for hearing and other health issues and I was awarded 60% before 2001 but can't recall the year. I then went to 70% around 2015, that is an interesting story. In mid Oct 2020 VA pulled me in for a C&P
and by end of Oct 2020 I was awarded 100% SC T&P.
I once participated in an ore-smelting demonstration at an old steel mill. Just next to us there was a hot-riveting demonstration, much like what is pictured at 5:02 . It is an incredibly loud process, so much so that I had to wait for them to finish setting their rivet before I could speak. This was only one pneumatic riveter, I can't imagine a whole factory full of them.
Mawp…mawp….mawp!
Here’s a little reprieve for tinnitus. Clasp your hands over your ears, fingers facing towards the base of the neck, meeting over the spine even. Place the lower meat of the palms snug in the ear. Drum - hard, but rhythmically - with the fingers on the nape of the neck for a minute, or two, or five. And I mean a minute - not just a few seconds. Its done wonders for me. Sometimes it comes back fast after but other times it’s days before the EeeeeeEEEEE comes back for a burst. If it works, tell others, and damn tinnitus!
Half deaf in my right ear. We were sitting on the range at night for the 11B to qualify on the .50 and I had taken one plug out to be able to hear people speak. No warning, no "fire" no nothing. Nothing was said about starting. The gunner just starts opening up. Sitting in that Humvee was like an echo chamber. It literally felt like someone jammed a knife into my ear. Profressively just keeps getting worse as I get older. Not like I could make a claim since I didn't have the ear pro in my right ear... Still I'm mad to this day because they gave absolutely no warning that the gunner was about to start firing LIVE rounds...
Fuck that bro- glad you’re working through it
"Not like I could make a claim since I didn't have the ear pro in my right ear" Make the claim. VA also looks at the job you did in the military as part of your claim. I filed a claim for hearing loss shortly after I was medically discharged in 1989. At first VA said I had no basis for my claim as I was not exposed to loud noises as part of my job. VA then asked me what my job was when in and I told them GMG. I was then told I was exposed to loud noises and sent to audio. You send for your military records from Page Ave. Then you get help from the VFW, American Legion or DAV and they will file on your behalf. BUT NEVER, NEVER, NEVER give anyone the original paperwork from your records, always give them a copy, let them see the origianls but do not let them keep them.
You absolutely can make a claim and should.
There is no hearing safe way to fire the M2. It bone conducts past any plugs or muffs.
I remember that classic Tamiya 1.35 machine gun squad that had some dudes shooting a MG34 over the shoulder and it must have been brutal to do that for real.
There's places where they still train for that. I've seen photos/vids from several European armies doing it.
I still have one new in the box.
USMC Airwing. Noise all day every day for the entire enlistment.
You know in movies when they show two guys talking in the back of a Huey? Yeah, nah.
Finally hearing loss has gotten some attention, I’ve unironically had 2 people tell me i wasn’t deaf because i listened to music or watched a video
Shoulda answered with: "WHAT?"
Johnny, thanks so much for making this video. So many ex-service personnel have hearing loss, and you're right, it's invisible. I have hearing loss from my Australian Army days firing an M60, and most vets I know from back in the day also have hearing damage.
Did you know the link between Washington and Moscow back in the Cold War wasn't a phone, but a teleprinter? Not only were many staff in the White House veterans, and so had hearing trouble, but almost the entire Politburo had problems too. Apparently the PPSh-41 has a nasty habit of venting back towards the firer, making particularly high in dB. Better to have a written record when people with hearing loss were communicating to each other!
It should have been just 11:32 of tinnitus, great content as always!
Wait, that ringing wasn't from the video?
Even people who spend their career away from combat get permanent hearing damage such as the military IT guys who work in server rooms clearly labeled with “hearing protection required” signs but they aren’t given any hearing protection…
Can you make a video about the companies and families that profited the most of world war 1.
I like this idea!
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsqSmedley Butler in his book War is a Racket he has many interesting points on this.
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq Or ones that did, didn't, then did again (whoever still owns Krupp, Mitsubishi, etc)
Especially with stuff happening now.
Especially with stuff happening now.
I'd probably fall into depression if my screaming tinnitus went away. It's like a close friend at this point.
No wonder my earbuds came with 3 different sizes of tips (small, medium, large)!! Fascinating history!
I believe that is due to different size ears
I can usually ignore my continuous tinnitus until I’m reminded of it. Thanks Johnny. A famous Hollywood director, I think it was Billy Wilder, suffered significant hearing loss after hitching a ride on a B25. It made his postwar films more difficult to direct.
😅 sorry...
they gave us earplugs in the army but made sure to get cheapest piece of crap possible
so they fell out of our ears during shooting
and i agree closed space, building, aircraft, machineguns sure
but out on open field our shots sounded like little pops
Work at the VA and can't thank you enough for bring attention to one of most service connected yet not service connect diagnosis that flies by my DOS like blue screen (or the much user friendly yellow/beige app) on a daily basis when we contribute to reports on our vets for all med staff.
This is funny to me cuz i am a Submarine Sonar Technician, all they do is tell us to "get your autiogram done" so i go. Once i never...ever...pushed the button. The lady opened the door and said, "great job, no changes!" At that point i realized that its all a farce.
I'M WATCHING THIS AT FULL VOLUME
WHAT?
I even had to turn up the subtitles.
6:55 there's a great scene from the Anime Jormungand where a former arty gunner asks his squad to cover their ears and open their mouths before firing an artillery piece (out the back of a transport plane)
The VA gave me 10 percent disability for my hearing loss.
Always use hearing protection when doing housework. You wouldn’t believe how loud a vacuum cleaner is.
Mowing and hedge trimming too.
Another is riding a motorcycle.
The military is introducing a new rifle with a more powerful cartridge designed to defeat body armor. The rifle has an integrated suppressor.
Its a fancy flash hider.
Homer Simpson:"DO YOU HEAR A NOISE?!!!!!"
Marge Simpson:"WHAT?!!!!!"
My tinnitus is so constant that I forgot it was a thing until it was mentioned and I realized it was still happening.
Same here.
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee it's there in the background I've just gotten used to it.
my husband’s right ear was damaged during his service but he gets excellent treatment for it
Now I fell sad
@@benettybrito why?
@@MayumiC-chan9377probs cause most vets get no treatment for it
It would have been devilishly amusing had you put a high tone subtly in the back of the video so we could all subtly lose our minds.
If you didn't hear it, you have hearing loss.
I didn't hear it. Well, crap.
Love the detour into talking about manufacturing! The topics of workers’ conditions and day-to-day factory operations aren’t as flashy as the boots-on-the-ground military stuff, or even the more technical side of design and procurement, but I think it’s way more interesting, if for no other reason than overexposure to the rest.
I had my ears ringing from firing a single 22 LR (I found an illegal rifle under the bed of a relative and I was a naughty kid). AFAIK, it has 130 DB, despite being one of the most silent firearms and allegedly 130 DB is also the loudest scream recorded. It's just 10 DB above a suppressed rifle shooting supersonic rounds (subsonic may be "only" 80 DB). A full-sized rifle can reach 160 DB, which is close to the level where you can break glass!
Tank cannons can shatter glass in their environment and Naval cannons can break every single glass in a port if fired anywhere near a port... (Something idiots did during a test shot!) 200 DB would be enough to rupture lungs and 250 DB would be ground Zero of Hiroshima!
You'd need to be at least 20m away from a service rifle (160 DB) for it to be somewhat tolerable noise (95 DB) and you'd easily hear it 300m afar (60 DB). Only after 5km would it be impossible to sense if no other sounds overlap.
Keep in mind that 80 DB can be dangerous for hearing if exposed for a long time, but it won't feel loud if you work all day in such an environment. Similarly, when you leave a quiet place and go to a busy street 70 DB will be very loud to you... Lastly, it's possible that you cannot hear a sound that is damaging your ears! It may feel like you're diving, or feel vibrations on your skin, but the frequency is not processed by your ears.
hearing numbers like 2.5% of soliders being disabled due to hearing loss seems really low when i imagine the sheer noise.
I worked for one summer during college in the late 1980's at a compressor remanufacturing plant. The use of a handheld airgun to dry parts after it came out of the solvent bath was piercing. After the first day I brought my own earplugs from home. That one ten hour shift without any earpro has lead to a lifetime of tinnitus. The fact that only one other person I met at the factory had even considered earpro seemed insane to me. I doubt things have gotten any significantly better.
Heat: That was the actual audio from when they shot the shoot out scene. I heard Bill Hader talk about it in a podcast.
You telling me England took credit for the Aussie’s blowing up hill 60?
Absolutely criminal.
My grandfather lost his hearing in the war. Every time my grandmother told him to do something, his hearing got worse. It got so bad, the only thing he could hear was the word "dinner."
"measurable hearing loss" is what they told me on being discharged. Coast Guard late 70's early 80's. No gunfire, just chasing rust with a chipping hammer and being in very confined spaces.
I knackered my left eardrum firing an Enfield P53 rifled musket. Stupidly loud gun
Thankfully my army have issued active ear protection (Comtacs) since mid 90's. I still suffered some measurable loss on one ear, probably the one I put toward the many, many AT-4s trainers we used.
Dumb fact: One time on the internet I was accused of "stolen valor" or not having been in the military was when I told some american soldier that I was given active ear protection, and appearently I was lying because "only special forces are given those".
That black hawk down scene is the reason I use earpro for everything loud-related.
The guy next door was a soldier. He failed a hearing test at the base in Iraq and they put him on the first flight home. He'd been in the army for years and with only a few hours notice was booted out without a job or anywhere to live. Absolutely shocking.
Shooting 556 dummy rounds wihtout protection will hurt like hell at some point. I can't imagine how you'd be crazy enough to fire Machine Guns and Artillery without any.
That old grandmother in bed at Allo Allo also heard so badly.
Haha. René , the flashing bed knobs!
Will you do a video about PTSD and other illnesses like it?
PTSD isn't really related to weapons or military equipment...
It would mostly amount to "no data exists".
Really well researched narration with interesting b-roll in the background.
Nice.
“created unheard of destruction”
Haha nice one Johnny
Famous director Willliam Wyler actually went partially deaf while filming Thunderbolt! He had passed out from the excessive noise of the engines of the aircraft and woke up to find he had lost hearing completely in one ear.
Thanks for the Romeo Dallaire cameo at 0:0:24
Not Dallaire. That's a PPCLI Warrant Officer, not an Artillery General.
@@richardcanningYes, didn’t see that crown insignia on the shoulder. That guy is a splitting image of him though.
i've been wondering why gun people make such a big deal out of ear pro since they seemingly weren't used by soldiers in WWII.
i couldn't find proper info on this topic anywhere online, it drove me nuts, so thank you.
The attitude of the VA is that you were issued with a set of ear plugs in basic training, so war must not be loud, and if it is then it's your fault.
Excellent video. Very original idea - something that is still properly discussed from everything from a front line soldier to tank operators.
I remember a line from Robert Vaughn in The Bridge At Remagen where he told the civilians to open their mouths and breathe out when the explosion goes off. Always remember that for some reason.
I would say the movie Civil War also has incredibly loud gunfire like heat. The first firefight in Civil War honestly scared me with how loud it was at the cinema
I was a 240L machine gunner in the 82nd, bro hearing loss is no fucking joke. I'm so thankful that my homie was our Signals guy and he snuck me and the other gun team some Peltor Comtac IIIs before we deployed to Afghanistan. If I wouldn't have had those, I would've been miserable - my tinnitus is already pretty bad, but without those Peltors, I would've been screwed
Me at the military hospital to get my ears checked and there's this old grandpa there who barely hears anything. The nurses call him twice and the third time the nurse comes to him and says "Hey you must've been an artilleryman, you can't hear us at all" he laughs and says "No, I was a financial clerk!".
I put my hearing loss to Aircraft engines, loud music and machinery
Protect yours, you can't get it back what you lose.
WHENEVER SOMEBODY SAYS;
“Thank you for your service”
I SAY IT WAS AN HONOR, BUT CERTAINLY NO PLEASURE…
I remember vividly having to repeat myself for an Iwo Jima veteran in my hometown whom I'd interviewed on a few occasions as a teen. He was shot through the thigh in the initial landing and sat in a shell crater for over a day until he could be safely med evac'd off the beach. Can't even begin to imagine how loud it was
I respect Michael Mann for using real gunfire efx in Heat. Collateral also showcases real deal gunfire sound.
Dad was active duty for 25 years. He refuses to accept that his hearing is damaged even though he's 20-40% deaf in both ears. Literal decades of working heavy machinery, riding in/jumping out of helicopters and planes, firing miniguns and Mk19's without ear protection.
I wonder if there could ever be a video about something like that. Soldiers who refused the welfare nets set up for them out of pride or honor. It doesn't seem to be as common anymore, but dad and all his service buddies refused to go to the VA and collect disability. Took dad until last year (60 years old, ~20 years of retirement) to finally accept disability.
The idea that "other guys got out way worse than me. I still have my arms and legs, both eyes, and my dick. What's there to complain about?"
I'm looked after by Australian Veterans Affairs for service related damage to my knees, they also by default look after my mental health (even though they do not necessarily admit liability they still cover it)
Every time I get a review, they send me to get a hearing check. At a basic level it adds to their database of the long term effects, and it will also facilitate medical intervention and even compensation if it deteriorates.
Luckily, I have only developed mid range tinnitus with minor hearing loss, it's been stable for decades and easily tolerated.
My hearing damage was more to do with "industrial" noise as a mechanic, than gunfire.
One of the benefits of a living in a civilised society I guess.
Australian veterans affairs sucks ass and they apologise publicly every 2 months because of it.
I was in US Army basic training in 1963. There was no mention or thought of hearing protection when we were on the rifle range. Today I suffer from hearing loss. Not from the Army but from working in computer rooms for 50 years. Very noisy places.
Hate to argue with sim players doing it rough who are experts but as a crusty grunt who actually was a forward scout and a member of a heavy weapons platoon shooting M40 106mm RCL Rounds and SFMG's from '87-'90 , finally got the only hearing aid free this year but even though Tinnitus is approved as service related , still have to pay $4000+ for a device that ACTUALLY stops Tinnitus instead of magnifying it like the lowest cost shit i could afford and have to use.
Don’t forget to explain that it’s an exponential scale. 10 to 20 decibels is 10 time’s as loud, not twice.
If you hear a loud noise, then "eeeeeeeeeeeeee..." when things quiet down right after, say goodbye to some of your frequency range.
"Your hearing damage due to a VBIED exploding 50 meters from you is not service related"
VA, is struggling with a $48 Billion shortfall since the "PACT" ACT was passed & more vets are covered, NO way will more $$ be spent on, hearing loss.
I Like how you decide to add no audio and just movie clips
My dad was an 82nd airborne ranger back in the 80s during the Haitian stuff. He has absolutely the worst hearing. Back then ya didn’t even think of it ig.
Good video!!! When in US Army during the 1980s-1990s EARPLUGS were part of the uniform. We were required to have an earplug case dangling from our left breast pocket at all times regardless. Reason for that was there was NO EXCUSE not to where your earplugs whether in the motor pool working on a vehicle or going to the rifle range. Ear protection was available at all times. Yep - you got into some sort of trouble when discovered not wearing hearing protection. Have been DENIED benefits due to hearing loss as a DoD Civilian employee and always F-A-I-L yearly hearing tests - more of a joke any more just to see if can hear anything during those tests. Fail my yearly hearing tests, then get recommended to higher echelon and fail their tests. Nobody does anything afterwards either, it's like the providers/testers are "baffled/confused" what to do because I fail these tests so miserably. It is just a big f..king joke!! VA does not do anything either - at least for my situation.
I toured Gettysburg as a kid and remember the tour guide saying cannon crews and the horses went deaf. Probably exaggerated but I lost hearing from artillery, weapons fire and helicopter turbine engines from my time in the army.
for me it is a wonder these men could hear at all when the war was over
i sometimes forget to put on the hearing protection whilst hunting or on the range and you pay for that mistake already when the first shot is fired
imagine having that every day for years
Modern military’s use a mix of noise cancelling and noise isolating devices, noise isolation works by letting a certain amount of sound in and doesn’t let the rest in so if the sound was 50db it would all be heard but 150db only 50 would be let in and 100 would say out
Yuh huh
Also I caught that title typo Johnny haha
haha it's not a JJ video without a typo or two >.
Dammit, Johnny! How do you keep thinking of the oddest little military trivia that everybody knows but nobody thinks of, then making an episode out of it?!
P.S. I can't even imagine how loud one of those 8-barrel Bofors guns was while firing.
My grandpa was in the Air Force during Vietnam and worked on F-4s and cargo planes. Mainly Phantoms though and he had severe tinnitus from it. I remember always having to speak up to him even in the car.
Yeah I remember the movie Heat.
Only watching it on TV of course doesn't in any way resemble how loud gunfire is but few movies comes as close to conveying this loudness at all.
And Heat is definitely an exception in that regard.
I turned up the volume to max and still haven’t heard anything.
I never served but I had a situation at a gun range where my headset fell off my friend was firing a krinckov AK. I just stumbled upon this video
Military doctors could even tell you which service branch you served in based on what frequencies you have trouble hearing. My dad (tanker) had a digital watch which would sound a beeping alarm during every dinner, he didn't hear it and just kept eating while everyone else at the table was looking up wondering what is beeping. He served much later than WW II.
As a person with severe PTSD, its hard to hear being rejected for medical care.
Must have missed the rope.