Is Jaws 3 and Jaws The Revenge In 4K Messed Up By AI? What Does This Mean For Restoring Films?
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- It appears the new 4K releases of Jaws 3 and Jaws The Revenge might have some video issues. Is it from AI? Plus the audio in Jaws The Revenge seems to have problems as well. What does all of this mean for the future of film preservation? A lot to talk about so let's get to it!
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I am glad to hear from a fellow person who also enjoys Jaws 3 and Jaws 4 as guilty pleasures... Jaws 4 has one of my favorite movie plots. A shark targets members of the Brody family... And when they go on vacation... He somehow gets hold of their vacation plans and follows them to the Bahamas...
This AI process is different to what you are saying btw. This is entirely separate to dust and scratches removal and cleanup. This AI program created those faces because the program is supposed to "enhance" the footage so it paints over the image AI generated fake details. This is why the faces are so messed up and why everything is artificially sharpened and particularly eyes and hair looks bizarre and almost like CGI. Because it is actually CGI. The AI is quite literally generating and making up its own details. Not a pixel of these 4k images is the film anymore at all, its all the AI's interpretation of the image. It is an insane technology to be applying to films that can just have proper normal restorations.
Again if we can have proper 4k restorations for films like Absurd and Cannibal Holocaust then it is ABSURD that this "process" is touching any of these studio discs. James Cameron may well have killed physical media and film restoration forever by pushing this technology to be used instead of rescans and restorations.
Unfortunately it's all about Cost savings. It is far cheaper to utilize an AI program to enhance your image than taking the time and effort for someone to ensure the clean up is accomplished properly. It's like chat GPT, it's fine to use it, but you should always review it to make sure it's hitting all the points you want to make in the correct way. To Richard's point, this was clearly unsupervised. It's a shame because major labels who do not really see value in physical media will continue this approach because it's a cheap option. I'm holding out that boutique labels such as vinegar syndrome, Arrow, Scream Factory etc.... will not go this route because they care about film preservation.
But is the 3d version in 4k
Definitely steering clear of any AI restored 4K films.
Well - on the positive side - any desire I had to re-buy these films is gone.
When I complained about Aliens 4K, people said “James Cameron can do what he wants with his movie” or “If you don’t like it, don’t buy it”. They’re missing the point. Others said it looks fantastic. Those same people probably use that action smoothing/soap opera effect on their TV and love it.
I do. And am fine with it. I do wish that these new releases should offer two versions though. "Original w/ 4K scan" and "2024 Director 4K Remaster" so purists can choose
I don’t use motion smoothing on my tv, but I also don’t mind the Aliens release. Do I wish James Cameron would have kept the 4k closer to the original theatrical release? Sure. But James Cameron will do what he wants and we probably won’t get another version of the film in 4k with DV. If you don’t like it, search for an old dvd release of it. There’s nothing you can do otherwise.
@@extofer Not DVD but I'll watch the Blu-ray next time. As I understand, for some reason, the Aliens 4K is sourced from an old 2K scan. I guess, the film is not worthy of a new 4K scan. Meanwhile, Vinegar Syndrome has no problem doing a new 4K scan and 4K disc for things like "The Werewolf Versus Vampire Woman".
People that like the soap opera effect honestly have little respect for filmmaking as an art and are pretty proudly ignorant of it. Yea I said it.
If the domino effect continues and studios continue to use AI instead of actual restorations then we can legitimately say goodbye to Physical Media. When people reject these AI discs and no-one buys them then studios will stop releasing physical media, and we WILL reject AI """""restorations"""""".
This AI process will destroy Physical Media if it isnt stopped.
I’m sure boutiques like arrow will never use it
It'll eventually get perfected. And then it will get scary.
Honestly, there are a dozen boutique labels doing quality restorations. Physical media isn't at risk...just maybe physical media from major studios.
Wow, AI managed to take two terrible 'Jaws' sequels and MAKE THEM EVEN WORSE. Haha! Oh, man... ;)
As I understand it the same problems are on the discs. In Jaws 3 it seems like the AI (or software) has been trying to sdd details to scenes with a short depth of field and sadly not understood that it is used to isolate a charachter. Sadly too it could not recreate people in the background well. So it seems alot of the original intention was ”corrected” away.
We will see. I am also awaiting the movies.
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Is it just me or a lot of issues on a lot of 4k movies!?
Some are errors. Others, like this one, are bad decisions. Universal probably loves the way Jaws 3 looks.
I still might pick these up, as long as they include the original Blu-rays with them.
I wasn't able to get the original Blu-ray releases, and the one for Jaws 3 is out of print, so this could be my chance.
If they're not included, then no dice.
YOU GOTTA SEE THE ORIGINAL 3-D BLU RAY VERSION. *Nothing compares to that!* Except maybe going back in time and seeing it in the theatres again…..
I could care less about Jaws 3 and Jaws The Revenge!!! Thank GOD they got Jaws and Jaws 2 damn near perfect!!! Those are the only 2 Jaws films we need anyway!!!
No one seems to remember that this film was originally shot and released in 3D. The original title was Jaws 3D. That probably has somrthing to do with the wonky transfer and all the added Ai.
Over five years ago, Peter Jackson mentioned digitally enhancing his older films like Dead Alive and Bad Taste. So we have that to look forward to.
They could just stop releasing everything on 4k. Alot of people need to come back to reality, not everything is meant to be in 4k, not everything is shot in 4k. Heavy FX films are generally shot in 2k tops. 4 of the 6 Star Wars films were shot in 2k on film and the other two were 2k digital and, not meant to be 4k, technically they're not its 4k upscale from the 1080p blu-ray. There have never been 4k masters made from any film negative.
Aliens was likely shot also in 2k. You start to damage the image quality when you start pushing it beyond what it was meant to be.
@@lutherheggs451 Most older films were shot in 35mm, which has a resolution that exceeds 4K. So, when the original negative exists for a 35mm, there's usually an advantage to a 4K Blu-ray. Aliens was shot in 35mm (and was even blown up to 70mm for some screenings). Jaws 3-D may not benefit from 4K since it was shot in 35mm with two images per frame. But the problem with Jaws 3-D is not whether it's 2K or 4K but that they unnaturally manipulated the image.
@@garyrichardson475 I remember seeing Aliens again in the cinema as a special run in 1997. At that time it was still on "Actual film" I remember thinking how the picture looked a bit soft and grainy. Aliens never looked super sharp, because the film they were using (or the process) was different in the mid 80's. A 1970's film always looked a lot more pure and sharp compared to an 80's film. Even 2001: A Space Odyssey, from the 60's, looks incredible on bluray compared to say, Robocop....
I don't see how they can make Aliens look much better on 4k simply by transferring it. A fake, sacrilegious program which airbrushes all the graininess away and generates outlines around everything to create an "HD look" would be the only way.(Yuck)
Definitely agree with you, Richard! Every film deserves that proper restoration. Do you think they would do a replacement program with these two titles, or are we just stuck with that or nothing...?
I don't see them doing a replacement because to Universal, this is not an error, it's exactly what they wanted.
I agree 100% with all this. Its a shame that classics are being butchered in little ways that may not matter to them but matter to us. It changes things forever for some, and that's a massive issue to me. I still have them preordered, but I hope the discs aren't this way
I wouldn't exactly call Jaws 3 and Jaws the Revenge classic movies.
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I want to see those frames in slow motion and see how the faces morph and distort. I haven't seen anyone do that.
Do you think they might ever upgrade 3D to 4K or is it just not possible at this time? My projector is 3D capable and I still love those movies so it would be great to see them in better 4K resolution.
As you see my Auto Correct Miss Corrected my Answer. Not a total disaster. Proves my point of MINDLESS PERFECTION 😎
Jaws the Revenge has no AI issues on the 4K lol it looks great although they have edited out some bits where you used to see the mechanics of the shark lol
I just started upgrading some older videos for personal use with a AI program, and this looks like what my worst passes come out as. They really used an inexperienced person to do this, and didn't care.
Are those sounds are in the BluRay?
4:48 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 They're like the audience on that one Mexican TV show.
Holy....those faces at 5:00
This is an amazing new technology but it still has a very long way to go. It shouldnt be utilized in this way yet. It isn't magic.
But aren't they gonna do a replacement disc program?
I think AI can be useful in these films it just depends on the studio and who's doing the video processing, some don't care and will let the AI do all the work. I did like the look of Aliens but it has me worried for some future 4K releases from the big studios.
I get that Jaws 3 and Jaws the Revenge are considered by many to be poor films. Regardless, they do have their fans and they're entitled to have the films presented with the best PQ and AQ possible. If Universal didn't want to invest the time and effort into these two releases they should have licensed them to a boutique label. Cranking up the AI button to 11 on Jaws 3 and calling it a day is just lazy. And there's zero reason for those jarring and unnecessary audio changes in Revenge. Also I'd be remiss not to mention Universal's failed opportunity of not including the "alternate ending" of Revenge (which is actually the original U.S. theatrical ending) via a seamless branching option. Why they keep using that international "exploding shark" ending for the main feature is baffling. Really disappointed in how Universal mishandled both releases. I actually do think Universal should offer replacement discs for both of these titles. Just because they're not Academy Award winning films or huge blockbusters doesn't make them any less deserving of being corrected.
You can't improve Jaws 3. The bluray had the same smudgy scenes in it as the dvd - I'll just stick with my 3D bluray version.
It's always good to see old films in their original 3D versions. I don't know why people are so mad about it not being like the original - It's not like they replaced Bruce the Shark with Hayden Christensen
AI thinks we're ugly af, haha.
Jaws 3+4 are not exactly masterpieces of cinema, but letting AI near so-called classic films is heinous imho.
Jaws 2 looked incredible in 4k. There was no need for this superficial upscaling whatsoever.
AI has no place in film restoration if you ask me. Humans wrote, shot, and edited the movies…We should restore them too. We’re the ones who will be watching them so why allocate anything to AI beyond laziness/cheaping out. Hopefully the sales of these discs show that we don’t want this to be how 4K transfers are handled in the future. Don’t buy this crap!
This is Universal we're talking about. They do by far the worst 4k transfers out there.
Universal made terrible Blu-ray transfers. Roughly 95% of their 4K transfers have been some of the best to hit the market.
*Are Jaws 3 and Jaws The Revenge
Stick with the BluRay that comes with the 4K.
Ooph. Using AI to upscale and add detail like this? Wow, how lazy do you have to be?
After the Pandemic . The general reality was to not hire back certain professionals because simply that could not afford to.Then the modern idea was to ignore these issues and cut corners where their were no corners left The best example was the Gas treatment for your automobile and many don't work. But some do really work I'm my case it worked on my Trucks fuel injector in less than a day clearing an injector that for 6 months the next day. Everyone want instantly with any issues and hear we are a program that does really well on certain things then it flips it's lid and goes Batshit Crazy and creates DEMON PEOPLE 🤪.Another us the 4k and Black & White is enhanced perfectly like a perfect marriage. It just works to perfection then 4k process makes these older films like nes without Fim Grain and creates a new issue never considered. Everyone watching True Lies for decades with and ingrained visual view of the film and the fans want an enhanced version based on that outdated copy and expect it to be slightly different. Not a Waxy Digital Version That Is Exactly what envisioned.
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Well this just gives me a reason to pass on these and I’ll just be satisfied with my blurays.
You seriously couldn’t wait to actually see the disks for yourself before making this video? Good Lord.
Yes, these should have never been released in 4K the source material is just too poor.
Who wanted these in 4K?
I hope you’re ok
If this tech gains widespread acceptance none of us are
This is a lazy bad trend. It looks like Will Smith eating spaghetti.
I mean...Jaws 3 has always looked bad. It's 3d. I think people that are fans of these movies know that. If the source has limitations, it has limitations. You can't take a 3d film from 40 years ago and make it look perfect. Big yikes with those crowd scenes.
If people still buy it they will never fix it or do a better job on all these movies sadly!
Ai is pure evil
AI is bs!👎 We'll be sorry if we keep using it. It's just because of laziness.🤔
I would not buy Jaws the Revenge even if it came with a $100 bill. It is that bad of a movie.
Jaws is not coming I’m a tin case at all
movies shot on film look just fine on 'dvd' and 'blue-ray' ... why would anyone want a piece of cinematic history (both timeless classic or low-budget genre trash) to appear like it was shot digitally and or c.g.i. rendered in post-production ... '4k upgrades' of shot-on-film stock movies when displayed on a '4k' television screen appear cold, cheap, and shot-on-'digital' artificial ... it totally mutates the enriched satisfying 'look' of motion picture film ... is this really what paying consumers of 'cinema' truly want in this day 'n age ... time to head out to the 'new beverly' to self-indulgently soak 'n bask within the cineastic emulsive properties of 'for real-film only'.
Jaws 3 and Revenge suck anyway!
Remixing a Dolby stereo track seems kinda pointless to me it's already surround sound and it can be upmixed in dsu they should just leave it alone. Most of rhe time remixes dont sound better anyhow.
After the Pandemic . The general reality was to not hire back certain professionals because simply that could not afford to.Then the modern idea was to ignore these issues and cut corners where their were no corners left The best example was the Gas treatment for your automobile and many don't work. But some do really work I'm my case it worked on my Trucks fuel injector in less than a day clearing an injector that for 6 months the next day. Everyone want instantly with any issues and hear we are a program that does really well on certain things then it flips it's lid and goes Batshit Crazy and creates DEMON PEOPLE 🤪.Another us the 4k and Black & White is enhanced perfectly like a perfect marriage. It just works to perfection then 4k process makes these older films like nes without Fim Grain and creates a new issue never considered. Everyone watching True Lies for decades with and ingrained visual view of the film and the fans want an enhanced version based on that outdated copy and expect it to be slightly different. Not a Waxy Digital Version That Is Exactly what envisioned.
You can't win.Its is a problem. Some get the new print right others do not. Not the Perfect Pill to solve all problems 🤔🤔🤔