Ugh, gross!! It's like kissing snake poison. I bet Erica... Mary or whatever could just spit or throw up at Sheila's face right now if she wanted to. The same way Bridget did herself when she found out about Deacon and Brooke.
Yes, Brooke has a guardian angel. And his name is Brad Bell. This is the second time in a little over two years that another character dies so that Brooke can live.
No. Hunter Tylo was moving on to Melrose Place and quit B&B. This whole storyline was set in motion to get her character off the show. The problem was, when she went to Melrose Place, she was pregnant, and they didn't want their character pregnant and wouldn't shoot around the pregnancy. Tylo won, but Aaron Spelling still wouldn't bring her onto MP.
*The Kiss* This interaction between Sheila and Mary stands out as one of the most darkly dis t u r bing scenes in the history of the show. Sheila kissing Mary is not an act of love, but rather a kind of c u rse. It is as if through that kiss, Sheila "passes the torch" to her daughter by planting a part of herself in Mary (or reminding her of the part that was always there). As a reaction, Mary desperately tries to get away from Sheila, while Sheila's last words to her act as a reminder that Mary can't escape the reality of who she is. But the show also hints at the possibility that maybe Mary _will_ manage to escape Sheila's infIuence and create a new life for herself - Sheila laughs as Mary leaves, but once she is out of sight, Sheila is no longer triumphant but be at s her head against the wall in a display of utter despair, showing us that she knows that she has lost her daughter and that she is now completely alone and beyond redemption. It is also significant that Sheila's daughter stops calling herself Erica (a name representing Sheila's ob ses sion with Eric) and instead wants to be called by her real name, Mart (a name connecting her to her father, because it's the name of James' mother). This way, Mary chooses to be her _father's_ daughter from now on, which also means that there is hope for her.
It’s just a shame, they didn’t bring James for just one reunion scene, or at the very least, do a scene where Stephanie or someone else talks to Erica about her getting in touch with James so we’d know it happened
Indeed the scene has a lot of interesting subtext as you outlined. I'd also add the part when Sheila says she went to Eric to plead Erica's case (which we know is literally true) but then Erica reads between the lines and accuses Sheila of going there because of her obsession with Eric (which is _also_ true and which a lot of Sheila's plot with Erica has been based on). And yes that kiss _was_ disturbing. That ending though seems to be foreshadowing something that never pays off. Sheila telling Erica that she's part of her and to "carry on" and Erica's uncertain reaction seems to imply that Erica will become a villain like her mother. I wouldn't be surprised if Brad had originally intended to explore that but then lost interest and forgot about it (like he does with so many of his new characters). Also it doesn't make sense that Erica is just allowed to walk away from this. She may not have known what her mother was doing at first but she DID know that Sheila had kidnapped Amber and that automatically makes her an accomplice. Erica should be charged alongside Sheila (as Stephanie said when she found Amber).
@@annieo6527 the "kiss of de ath" as I like to call it, was very disturbing. But it really would have been a good story had Erica resurfaced some time later, trying to be a good girl, but also unable to shake her nature of being half of Sheila. Anyway, on another note, won't Kristin and Tony be happy to know that Zende was spared from his crush on Erica, thanks mostly to Brad apparently forgetting all about that overly convenient and gross liaison he created...
They should have brought back James for a one episode to take Erica away or something. Like father, like daughter. Had a satisfying ending, but I guess not.
@@TriniT21 Girl she's indestructible. The Eiffel Tower. The light fixture. The incident by the pool. And after each of those she was walking around the next day without a scratch. 🙄
Brooke literally got a graze on her shoulder 🙄 Why is everyone acting like she is on her de ath bed? They need to send Brooke home and free up the bed for someone who actually needs it... Meanwhile, not Rick saying that Amber got her feisty bravery from BROOKE? WUT? 😕 Brooke was hustling out of Eric's house to save her own skin.. 😕
bell should have killed off brooke and kept taylor. but i guess they couldn't because these men would have no purpose on this show if they didn't have brooke lay me down logan to sleep with.
This was the last time we saw Erica.. I don’t get why they didn’t bring James for just one reunion scene or at the very least, do a scene where Erica talks to Stephanie about getting in touch with James, sure we can assume they met but it should have been acknowledged
That's what I'm saying. They should have reunited Mary with James or something. It should have been in the episode where Taylor dies or something. Reunite, only to lose someone else. In the end, I don't think they should have brought Taylor back in my opinion. She is so unlikeable when she came back. Sleeping with Rick, Brooke's son. Then slept with Eric after Stephanie had died. So out of characters to what she is here. If it's a great plan, Bradley Bell will find a way to make it stupid or not follow through. I hate this show sometimes.
@Nick.... Interesting that Sheila brings up the topic of her being a good mother, as that was a topic the board had different opinions on. I still maintain, despite her madness and obviously terrible personality as a human being, Sheila is a better mother than Brooke.
When Sheila was telling Erica how lucky she was to have a mother who cared, she should've been like, "Some daughters have mothers who sleep with their husbands!"
Visiting Sheila in jail was the last time we ever saw Erica. She must be really ashamed of what she's done to Rick and Amber, and of what she is because of her mother. But as Mary, I wouldn't give up hope for her yet. She can still go her father, if she finds him. James Warwick may be Erica's only chance of seeking help, redemption and a new life she can build for herself. I just hope it's not too late for James to love her and accept her as a daughter after all these years. When we are parents one day, it is up to us to keep a child off an estranged life, and help him or her choose the right path.
@@orifeldman3213they mentioned Erica/Mary during Sheila's 2017 return! James comes back briefly when Sheila is pretending to be injured after her first fight with Quinn to assess her. Turns out Mary and James became close, but Sheila also managed to reconnect with her between 2006 and 2017 (when the character was "dead" but *actually* in prison per that story's retcon). James got addicted to pills and was writing his own prescriptions, Mary found out and confided in Sheila, who then blackmailed James into going along with her fake injury. He presumably told Mary, because when Sheila came back again in 2021 she said "none of her other children wanted anything to do with her"
@@stromaefan8646I read Sheila stating her daughter's possession. That's pathological, I know. But it's Sheila we are talking about. Many cultures find strange an innocent kiss on their own child's lips. Of course people stopped once their children grow up😅😅
@@babs4848that's how I read it too. Not a "normaI" parent/child peck on the lips. Certainly not a romantic kiss. More like Sheila making the point that "I am always inside of you".
erica aka sheila 2.0 is just like her mom. she wants to try to play the victim now but she knew sheila kidnapped amber and was involved in the whole lance thing and still tried to seduce rick. she didn't try to help amber or tell rick the truth. the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. she has playing the victim down pat just like her mother. also brooke must be related because she also plays victim just like sheila. they must be related.
In 2017 They brought back James for a few episodes Sheila mentions that she talks to Mary on the phone,and she knows that James is addicted to pain meds and writes himself prescriptions.She uses this info to blackmail him into telling Eric what she wants in order to stay at Erics house while she is supposedly recovering from injuries that Eric’s wife gave her when they had a physical fight.
So these women just go along with their mother's scheme to get the love of their life, and when the plan fails they have a grudge towards their mom? Amber and Erica could have stopped their mothers in time. It takes two to tango.
Erica had a lot to digest - from her mother's past, to who her real father is and her real names, not to mention what came afterwards. I don't think she could imagine all Sheila's done or expected her to shoot 2 people
@@MariaPerez-sb1xp maybe. But it's a very young traumatised woman who fell in love and her manipulative mother. I eiukd blame her if she did it again. But not for this time
@@Esi-741I get that in a show like this, a main character can’t stay married to the same character forever, but the fact that Tridge were kept married for 4 years , the longest at that point (maybe to this day Idk) and were still interesting, AND that the writers actually preferred to kill Taylor off than have Tridge broken up, shows just how much of big love story it was
If anything had had happened to the sftv, we would be much happier, luckier and the show would have been much better. But we stuck with the hoegans and their crying. The show is since than going down since decades. I know I way done watching this mess when SF left. I will stop watching when s17 wraps. The seasons after that i have seen, no need to re-watch them. S9 til 12 will probabaly never be put up.
Right, the same for me. As a Taylor fan I will never subject myself to watching her coming back again. It's not only the fact that they completely changed her character but also how they used her as a Bridge punch ball and humiliated her. And I liked her with Nick😞
The doctor told Ridge that Taylor could have brain damage. That explains why she doesn't act like herself when she returns in 2005.
😂😂 Tell me about it! Taylor later on is nothing like the Taylor we knew before. Brad makes her just like Brooke.
@@sharonstewart4882 She's unrecognizable in more ways than one. 😉
@@NewYorkNick0607 😂🤭 Some people on here won't like that joke.
Umm I disagree she might be suffering from broken syndrome 😂😂
@@sharonstewart4882 but it's the truth😁. I was so thrilled for Taylor's return and shocked when I saw her in 2005.
This is the true and final end of Taylor, for me this character died irrevocably :(
Me too
Yep
True
Erica is a better yeller than Amber.
I actually saw a little of Sheila in Erica in today's episode. She even did several desk sIaps.
That Sheila/Erica kiss must've meant a lot to a certain comment section closet case. 💋
😂 Representation matters. Love is love! 🥰
She tells Mary too Carry on like in a sense some day she'll turn out like her , her mother.
This is the best and most realistic acting I’ve ever seen from Ronn Moss!😢
Ron Moss: King of Grieving Husbands. Too young to be doing this a third time.
That scene with Sheila going psychotic mode with Erica plus planting a kiss on her. So scary and frightening 🫣
Yeah why would they make her kiss her
@@milivanilli1197 her own daughter? beyond sick
Ugh, gross!! It's like kissing snake poison. I bet Erica... Mary or whatever could just spit or throw up at Sheila's face right now if she wanted to. The same way Bridget did herself when she found out about Deacon and Brooke.
That scene had no purpose
Eric, not Erica
Yes, Brooke has a guardian angel. And his name is Brad Bell.
This is the second time in a little over two years that another character dies so that Brooke can live.
@@Esi-741 I never tuned in because of Brookehoe nor ever will.
Im only watch SF, thats all. After she was gone, i was as well.
@@Esi-741 He told his critics to kiss off. Just like he was kissing her for hours in that Variety photo.
No. Hunter Tylo was moving on to Melrose Place and quit B&B. This whole storyline was set in motion to get her character off the show. The problem was, when she went to Melrose Place, she was pregnant, and they didn't want their character pregnant and wouldn't shoot around the pregnancy. Tylo won, but Aaron Spelling still wouldn't bring her onto MP.
@@Esi-741The beginning of the affair!😂
@@dlross173 That happened in '96 when she was pregnant with her daughter this is '02 and she wasn't pregnant Bell fired her!
*The Kiss*
This interaction between Sheila and Mary stands out as one of the most darkly dis t u r bing scenes in the history of the show. Sheila kissing Mary is not an act of love, but rather a kind of c u rse. It is as if through that kiss, Sheila "passes the torch" to her daughter by planting a part of herself in Mary (or reminding her of the part that was always there). As a reaction, Mary desperately tries to get away from Sheila, while Sheila's last words to her act as a reminder that Mary can't escape the reality of who she is.
But the show also hints at the possibility that maybe Mary _will_ manage to escape Sheila's infIuence and create a new life for herself - Sheila laughs as Mary leaves, but once she is out of sight, Sheila is no longer triumphant but be at s her head against the wall in a display of utter despair, showing us that she knows that she has lost her daughter and that she is now completely alone and beyond redemption.
It is also significant that Sheila's daughter stops calling herself Erica (a name representing Sheila's ob ses sion with Eric) and instead wants to be called by her real name, Mart (a name connecting her to her father, because it's the name of James' mother). This way, Mary chooses to be her _father's_ daughter from now on, which also means that there is hope for her.
Thanks Annie. Maybe it is disturbing but I love that scene.
It’s just a shame, they didn’t bring James for just one reunion scene, or at the very least, do a scene where Stephanie or someone else talks to Erica about her getting in touch with James so we’d know it happened
Indeed the scene has a lot of interesting subtext as you outlined. I'd also add the part when Sheila says she went to Eric to plead Erica's case (which we know is literally true) but then Erica reads between the lines and accuses Sheila of going there because of her obsession with Eric (which is _also_ true and which a lot of Sheila's plot with Erica has been based on).
And yes that kiss _was_ disturbing. That ending though seems to be foreshadowing something that never pays off. Sheila telling Erica that she's part of her and to "carry on" and Erica's uncertain reaction seems to imply that Erica will become a villain like her mother. I wouldn't be surprised if Brad had originally intended to explore that but then lost interest and forgot about it (like he does with so many of his new characters).
Also it doesn't make sense that Erica is just allowed to walk away from this. She may not have known what her mother was doing at first but she DID know that Sheila had kidnapped Amber and that automatically makes her an accomplice. Erica should be charged alongside Sheila (as Stephanie said when she found Amber).
@@annieo6527 the "kiss of de ath" as I like to call it, was very disturbing.
But it really would have been a good story had Erica resurfaced some time later, trying to be a good girl, but also unable to shake her nature of being half of Sheila.
Anyway, on another note, won't Kristin and Tony be happy to know that Zende was spared from his crush on Erica, thanks mostly to Brad apparently forgetting all about that overly convenient and gross liaison he created...
@@NewYorkNick0607yes, it is disappointing that Mary was never seen after this. So we'll never know if she did "carry on".
They should have brought back James for a one episode to take Erica away or something. Like father, like daughter. Had a satisfying ending, but I guess not.
They should yes
The true Bold and the Beautiful died along time ago, when there was still Ron Moss and Hunter Tylo. They should rename the show as the Bad and Boring.
The Bold and Brooke!
Nah B&B carried on w/o HT fine she keeps on getting on and off and the show went on fine
💯facts!!
@@jemekiahall5848it shuld b Brad and the Brooke show😂
@@hraslan she did kept going on/off and they always wanted her to come back!
Of course Brookeshire makes a full recovery. 🙄
Is it bad that I was disappointed to hear Dr Bloom say Brooke would be OK?
I'm like.. Of course she will 🙄
@@Esi-741 😂😂 I love that we have so many nicknames and we know exactly who we mean. Remember TJ's friend?
@@TriniT21 Girl she's indestructible. The Eiffel Tower. The light fixture. The incident by the pool. And after each of those she was walking around the next day without a scratch. 🙄
@@sharonstewart4882 right. Walks away with basically a scratch
Good acting by the young lady playing Erica
Brooke literally got a graze on her shoulder 🙄
Why is everyone acting like she is on her de ath bed?
They need to send Brooke home and free up the bed for someone who actually needs it...
Meanwhile, not Rick saying that Amber got her feisty bravery from BROOKE?
WUT? 😕
Brooke was hustling out of Eric's house to save her own skin.. 😕
Brooke always makes a full recovery 😮
It was the same with Macy's death. Thorne was crying all over Brooke and she ended up with a tiny little sc r at ch on the forehead.
She still got shot stop making Brooke Forrester the enemy 😮 the only villain in the storyline is Sheila, Carter
@@annieo6527 Macy caused her own death Brooke Forrester what is not driving that car Macy was
And the most bitter Taylor hater has been crawling out from under her rock too….. guess who? Now’s her time to “shine”again! 😂😝
Not Amber saying Sheila's lucky she's in jail, where she can't get to her. 15:26
Girl you couldn't out manoeuvre Sheila when you tried to escape.
They should bring back Mary and Little Eric since Sheila and Deacon are married.
Now is the time!
Married to eachother?
@sowutsurpoint yup
07:50 a Sheila Carter desk sIap... And it's _Mary_ doing it! 😂
Maybe the shot in Taylor’s heart is what gave her Broken Heart Syndrome 😅
😂
They can't replace Taylor(Hunter) that's why they keep trying to replace Taylor 😂
bell should have killed off brooke and kept taylor. but i guess they couldn't because these men would have no purpose on this show if they didn't have brooke lay me down logan to sleep with.
Sheila shows her true colors to Mary
This was the last time we saw Erica.. I don’t get why they didn’t bring James for just one reunion scene or at the very least, do a scene where Erica talks to Stephanie about getting in touch with James, sure we can assume they met but it should have been acknowledged
That's what I'm saying. They should have reunited Mary with James or something. It should have been in the episode where Taylor dies or something. Reunite, only to lose someone else. In the end, I don't think they should have brought Taylor back in my opinion. She is so unlikeable when she came back. Sleeping with Rick, Brooke's son. Then slept with Eric after Stephanie had died. So out of characters to what she is here. If it's a great plan, Bradley Bell will find a way to make it stupid or not follow through. I hate this show sometimes.
Im guessing the actor isn’t available for their beck and call.
@@-Lily7415 fine so at least show us her getting ready to meet him or something
@Nick.... Interesting that Sheila brings up the topic of her being a good mother, as that was a topic the board had different opinions on.
I still maintain, despite her madness and obviously terrible personality as a human being, Sheila is a better mother than Brooke.
When Sheila was telling Erica how lucky she was to have a mother who cared, she should've been like, "Some daughters have mothers who sleep with their husbands!"
@@NewYorkNick0607 *cut to Brooke in a hospital bed hugging baby Nope with Bridgit next to her*
😕
@@TriniT21 I wouldn't pick neither Sheila nor Brooke for a mother.
@TriniT21 until Sheila shot Finn, they definitely were both in the running. Neither are great, though.
That bullet aged Brooke another ten years.
The last time we see Erica
Taylor is going somewhere ridge alright,she's going to Morocco for a few years and be in the care of prince Omar Rashid
Visiting Sheila in jail was the last time we ever saw Erica. She must be really ashamed of what she's done to Rick and Amber, and of what she is because of her mother. But as Mary, I wouldn't give up hope for her yet. She can still go her father, if she finds him. James Warwick may be Erica's only chance of seeking help, redemption and a new life she can build for herself. I just hope it's not too late for James to love her and accept her as a daughter after all these years. When we are parents one day, it is up to us to keep a child off an estranged life, and help him or her choose the right path.
It’s a shame they never even addressed what Erica did regarding James
@@orifeldman3213they mentioned Erica/Mary during Sheila's 2017 return! James comes back briefly when Sheila is pretending to be injured after her first fight with Quinn to assess her. Turns out Mary and James became close, but Sheila also managed to reconnect with her between 2006 and 2017 (when the character was "dead" but *actually* in prison per that story's retcon). James got addicted to pills and was writing his own prescriptions, Mary found out and confided in Sheila, who then blackmailed James into going along with her fake injury. He presumably told Mary, because when Sheila came back again in 2021 she said "none of her other children wanted anything to do with her"
@@orifeldman3213they mentioned her in passing when she came back in 2017 and James was being blackmailed by her.
@@nocontextyr8784 I know, I meant in these episodes and not 15 years later
@@nocontextyr8784what episode was that? I vaguely remember this but forgot what the line was about Mary
Mary wishes she had never been born as Shelia as a mother.
@ESI-741 @NICK... Sheila in our fave colour on her...😂 Orange is really the new black for Sheila
😂😂 Sheila kissing Erica means she's well prepared for life on the inside.
I don't worry about Sheila being prepared for life on the inside. It's the other prisoners I'd worry about. 😂
@@annieo6527they should have done a spin off with Sheila in prison😂
8:58 Sheila goes psycho mode
Oh yeah. Sheila’s a waaaay better mother than Brooke. 😂.
14:34 Four Logans in one room, great 🙄
The look on Stephanie's face 😢
So sad Taylor will be dead again so Ridge and Brooke can get together again also Omar coming back to take Taylor and nursed her to life 😊
Wow deacon gets kisses like that too
If "Amber could act,
I could act too"
When was HT and RM involved? Was it around this time?
No when she came back from “death” in 2005.
That kiss was creepy.
Next level inappropriate.
It’s only natural to kiss your kids on the lips, if they want. But this looked more like a lesbian kiss.
@@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763I see a dramatic scene. KB is so good and also CD.
@@stromaefan8646I read Sheila stating her daughter's possession. That's pathological, I know. But it's Sheila we are talking about.
Many cultures find strange an innocent kiss on their own child's lips. Of course people stopped once their children grow up😅😅
@@babs4848that's how I read it too. Not a "normaI" parent/child peck on the lips. Certainly not a romantic kiss. More like Sheila making the point that "I am always inside of you".
Sheila is crazy
erica aka sheila 2.0 is just like her mom. she wants to try to play the victim now but she knew sheila kidnapped amber and was involved in the whole lance thing and still tried to seduce rick. she didn't try to help amber or tell rick the truth. the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. she has playing the victim down pat just like her mother. also brooke must be related because she also plays victim just like sheila. they must be related.
Poor TayTay. I can’t watch.
seems Sheila is wrong because we never see Mary again and she is not mentioned
In 2017
They brought back James for a few episodes
Sheila mentions that she talks to Mary on the phone,and she knows that James is addicted to pain meds and writes himself prescriptions.She uses this info to blackmail him into telling Eric what she wants in order to stay at Erics house while she is supposedly recovering from injuries that Eric’s wife gave her when they had a physical fight.
@@-Lily7415Sheila fight whit Quinn right , and stay at Eric’s faking pain
@@filionsteve2133 yes
Sheila Mary Godfather 💋 Part 1
So these women just go along with their mother's scheme to get the love of their life, and when the plan fails they have a grudge towards their mom? Amber and Erica could have stopped their mothers in time. It takes two to tango.
Erica had a lot to digest - from her mother's past, to who her real father is and her real names, not to mention what came afterwards.
I don't think she could imagine all Sheila's done or expected her to shoot 2 people
Yet still she tried to be a homewrecker. She could have refused that.
@@MariaPerez-sb1xp maybe. But it's a very young traumatised woman who fell in love and her manipulative mother. I eiukd blame her if she did it again. But not for this time
Erica was perfectly fine with H
Sheila's help, until Rick rejected her permanently
Eric to Amber are you alright? i m ok i just made love
Ridge it is not God it is Sheila That us what happens when you play with guns
Was Hunter Tylo pregnant and that's why she was gone for a while?
No she wasn't pregnant!
@@Esi-741I get that in a show like this, a main character can’t stay married to the same character forever, but the fact that Tridge were kept married for 4 years , the longest at that point (maybe to this day Idk) and were still interesting, AND that the writers actually preferred to kill Taylor off than have Tridge broken up, shows just how much of big love story it was
Hunter Tylo's daughter had cancer so she took time away for her family.
Edit: my comment is incorrect
@@lindsaym1226 that happened in 98/99
@jemekiahall5848 ah, thanks
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If anything had had happened to the sftv, we would be much happier, luckier and the show would have been much better.
But we stuck with the hoegans and their crying. The show is since than going down since decades.
I know I way done watching this mess when SF left. I will stop watching when s17 wraps. The seasons after that i have seen, no need to re-watch them.
S9 til 12 will probabaly never be put up.
Right, the same for me. As a Taylor fan I will never subject myself to watching her coming back again. It's not only the fact that they completely changed her character but also how they used her as a Bridge punch ball and humiliated her. And I liked her with Nick😞