What would an Honor Harrington Movie look like
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2017
- In this video, David describes how an Honor Harrington movie could look.
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A movie would be an huge disaster, without real story, real intersting characters, as often. A TV series would be much, much better.
jerrymail this. They were able to do it with the Terror, and the Alienist. An episodic format for the Honorverse would be the best route, provided HBO didn’t HBO’ify it.
Episodic TV series and animated either cgi or in an anime style would be the way to go.
I'd watch an Honor of the Queen movie. It's a good, fairly self-contained, book. The way Weber pulled in the first book with the credits was a great touch.
That was actually the book I started theseries with. But then 25% through the book, I put it down and bought Basilisk Station to read.
That is a fantastic opening! Love how he manages to start the movie and tie in the first book and explain the back story developed in Basilisk Station in just a couple of minutes.
I've been reading David Weber's books since my Dad introduced me to "On Basilisk Station". From that point on I have been addicted to his books, and in particular the "Honorverse". My Dad did not live long enough to see the end of the Honor Harrington Series. But I do hope I live long enough to see a movie done, or maybe even a TV series. I just hope the series isn't pay per view, as I do not subscribe to internet, cable or satellite TV. I wonder if the "SyFy" channel might be able to do this, but of course, this is part of a pay as you watch type thing.
I wouldn’t have thought it would work as a movie until I watched this. Now I think it could completely. That or a tv series. Needs a budget though. Can’t wait for October for the next book.
I love David's suggestion of having Basilisk Station as an opening flashback...
I definitely would love to see a Honorverse TV show! With streaming services making their own series now, I wonder if it might be possible to get someone like Netflix to tackle the Honorverse? Whoever did it would instantly gain me as a subscriber, if I'm not already.
Amen Brother!
Yup!!! Me and my dad would be glued to that show.
I started the series two months ago (at the recommendation of Steve Gibson's "Security Now" podcast) and just finished book 11. This entire series is flat out the best story I've ever had the pleasure of reading. I cannot highly enough recommending to anyone who reads; read these books. David, thank you for sharing so much of their worlds with us.
Thomas Wade don’t ignore the side series though. They’re just as good and important to future stories. On Weber’s site there’s a reading order. You don’t need to read them or read them first, they didn’t all even come out in order that way, but it adds depth. He has two more series that are must reads. The prince roger series (with John ringo) and the safe hold series which is with tor books instead of baen. Really everything he writes is great but those are my favourite series of his with this one.
I feel I must say something that might get me shunned by all the Honor fans out there.
I don't think the series lends itself to either big budget movies, or standard live action episodic television. I DO, however, feel that it would make an outstanding animated series.
Art style would be a big part of it's impact, but I think all the details that Mr Weber has created and included into his books would aid immensely in helping to tell the tales and making them 'real' to the viewer.
This is just my opinion,
speaking Frankly
Id watch the shit of any such anime, heck Id buy it.
I be fine with a animated Honor Harrington film ore tv show, when people get to see how awesome they are maybe we get a live action show eventually.
CGI is so good and so cost effective these days that I think the biggest barrier to production is good writers and good actors. If HBO or Netflix picked this up it could be fucking amazing. I would always prefer live action over animated as long as it is done well, and sci fi is really starting to become mainstream these days.
Frank Smedley after watching sci-fi series such as stargate, the expanse, dark matter, Farscape and others, the honor series could easily become a great sci-fi tv series.
@@margifloyd2197 ***MINOR SPOILERS***I would love to see some epic fleet engagements done really well. That last show that truly gave me that experience was Star Trek Deep Space 9 the last couple seasons where hundreds/thousands of ships were involved and that was using mid 1990s technology. Imagining watching the Battle of Hancock or on a much larger scale, the Battle of Manticore, puts a huge grin on my face.
Your idea for Honor of the Queen is very similar to how I envisioned the beginning of the film--the flashback idea is brilliant.
I want to see all of the HH books, and yes, that many books needs a series. And Nimitz would throw her beret, like a frisbee.
Absolutely agree that it would need to start with Honor of the Queen.
Sounds like one helluva a start to a first Honorverse movie. Or even the start of episode 1 of the first season of a TV show. One season per book would be fabulous. I think Mr, Weber has a very realistic grasp on the realities of production. I will be there as a fan right from the start of a TV series or movie.
as a new fan, i want to try animation. and to those who think that wouldnt work we live in interesting times :)
i would start it with honor meeting Nimitz, not in a desperate situation, but venturing out to see which tree cat was nicking the celery in the greenhouse and in a moment only they share the audience is invited to see the bond being created. cut to years later and she jumps out the gav shoot for Fearless, to a less than enthusiastic McKeon and you have a intro. we dont need much to want to be at the deep end, but i feel the bond between Nimitz and Honor is the only thing that must be conveyed before chapter one.
TV series is better for sure to cover so much in Honorverse lore.
I like the idea of starting with the battle, but I wouldn't throw the audience into it. Course I'm not a movie producer, I might be getting the wrong image from this statement.
I would start with the black screen, like the night sky, it's black, but stars start to pop out, one-by-one. And play a song...
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Time it to the song.
Q-ship comes charging in, filling up the right side, the first third passes too fast to catch the name. The screen "tries" to match speed as it passes, a nice long angled shot as the we "try" to see the whole ship, soaking in the weapon ports and damage. Reach the end as it chucks a handful of missiles in the direction of it's trail of debris.
We "try" to follow the missiles. A response missile passes from the dark. Then counter-missiles take some out, some more missiles fly off-course. One keeps going.
An explosion in the dark, a silhouette; cinematic moment, not correct canon.
A ship comes charging in on the left side. We get to see it in full before the screen matches speed. Damage is clearly on another level.
CL-56 Fearless
Harkness yes, shoving a missile off of McBride.
Santos picking herself up, red lights everywhere, slams the console. We eject with the fusion bottle and get to see its explosion maul the port side.
We dive back in, the McKeon moment. I hesitate to remove this.
We pass a few walls and decks, atmosphere tents litter a hallway. Enter med-bay, Montoya raises his hands as a flat-line sounds. I'll leave the rest of med-bay to the imagination.
Then you can have the bridge scene as described. But I would hazard to say, the conclusion of the battle need not be depicted. The grav lance and torpedoes need to be understood, and there's no time here, and dreams don't care.
Wake up for the song's second course. Bring the music down for the bedroom scene.
Scene change before the music ends; even if it needs to be extended.
“I thought we’d discussed replacing Beta Fourteen with Commander Antrim, Andy.”
We look to see what she talking about, a spiked collar, no, wait...
CA-286 Fearless
While she and Andy babble behind us, we get ourselves a good look at the replacement ship.
This seems like a perfect project for Amazon Prime. Look at how the Bosch series did. A large part of the success of this series was the inclusion of the author in the production process. Just my 2 cents. Extra credit for the meaning of my name (WD9DAU).
series would be awesome live or anime
Please make this happen!!! It will be the next GoT.
I'd rather see it as the next Babylon 5.
Comments that DID NOT AGE WELL. Jesus. No.
@@scott7549 LOL. I agree after what happened with Season 8.
@@scott7549To be fair, GoT only went down the hill, story line by story line, when D&D ran out of original material. They were were horrible creators, but phenomenal adaptors. That problem wouldn‘t become one for quite a long time with the Honorverse…
Mr. Smedley has the right idea. An anim series by the makers of cowboy bebop
I just wanna know who will be cast as Lester Tourville.
I think for HH a TV series in which you covered maybe two books per season. (give or take), but for a kick off, and side sets, following in the success of integration in the Marvel Movies and TV inter mixing, say side stories in Movie in between and during seasons. so a kick off of things with a set of movies of the Travis Long Trilogy, then start the TV series with the House of Steel story. Then when you get to Basilisk, things are a lot lot lot more settled, and the non reading audience can settle in with a known universe for the long haul.
I think, that miniseries should be filmed by Netflix. They have huge possibility to do that.
Everybody is obviously thinking of a Game of Thrones format - which would be great.
yes on the TV series
Adelaide Kane would be perfect for the titular role of Honor Harrington.
I like David's idea of an Honor of the Queen movie. He's right though about the books would be better on TV as a series. I could see it like a Battlestar Galactica or Star Trek(though with a single story/season and not unconnected stories).
More like the BSG reboot would be my personal preference
go ahead and do it like a tv series, but take the old books and turn them into stand alone movies!. hell they could do most of it in CGI.
I wish Preston Jacobs would review the Honorverse on his channel
one book per tv season just like the expanse has been adapted from the novels.
Netflix, Amazon or Hulu series! Please!
sci-fi currently in movies or tv series is eighter doom and gloom or "fun" nonsense where the writer never learned how frigging big space is. I would really like to watch some adventure without contrived narrative. I would really like to watch movies and tv shows about space, where space plays a major role. And I hate the pseudo-intellectual/ or mystical mumbo jumbo we usually get on the screen.
If they did the honor of the queen as a movie or tv series i think the hardest scene would be finding the Mandigral survivors. Still I agree showing the holo tanks and tactical displays would show better the combat scenes better. Also I would love to see the battle armored marines deliver a good as kicking to the Masadans.
It would be good to see the battle armored marines using squad tactics.
My brother and I are in agreement that if either of us was to hit the lottery jackpot, an Honor Harrington TV show would be where quite a bunch of that is going to go into… 😉
I‘d even be inclined to hire D&D as showrunners - after all, at first they did a phenomenal job with GoT; they only started butchering it, story line by story line, when they ran out of original material and had to switch from adaptors to creators (at which they, needless to say, proved to be abysmal), but that‘s not gonna happen for quite some time with the Honorverse…
I would see the Honorverse best delivered as an Anime series.
Like the Legend of the Galactic Heroes.(LOTGH)
hello, wouldnt it be possible to organise a sort of kickstarter ?? at list, it would allow to realise a good pilot to present to studios, netflix and others..... Here in France Olydri editions made a million and a half euros for a 3 hours shows and another for their video games.. I would suggest that you make contact with them and ask them how they did it !! They have millions of views , i m sure you will go along :)
It would need to be animated. The timeline could then hark back, when introducing characters (Saganami etc.) also there are too many characters.
Getting the battle scenes right would be a challenge as well, fights are not over in 15 min, the take literal hours. No close dogfighting, the distances are measured in the thousands if not millions on kilometers.
I always pictured a screen adaption emphasizing tension rather than rapid-fire action. Taking advantage of the tactical displays and holotanks to show icons for missiles and ships moving around, cut with views of the ships and missiles represented by the icons. And making it clear that the audience is seeing compressed time when we skip over five hours of maneuvering by seeing a montage of shift changes, CIC updates, plot changes, and the like. Maybe show a time display, in-scene or as an overlay, when you want to be specific.
Potential scene: Tense music plays. Havenite presses "Fire" button. Cut to missile tubes launching. Cut to Manty officer shouting "Hostile missile launch!" and missile icons appearing on displays. Manty captain orders return fire. Cut to Manty missile tubes launching. Cut between tactical display showing missile traces, tense faces, and missiles in space, while hearing tracking updates indicating we're seeing five minutes trimmed down to one, while music builds in intensity. Cut to counter-missile batteries launching, then PDLCs tracking and firing. Music climaxes and ends a beat before we see dramatic slow-motion of missiles detonating. Fudge physics enough to make the lasers visible. Music comes back as we see bursts of energy from sidewall and wedge hits and explosions of fire and splintered armor from hull strikes. Cut to bridge and see shaking from transfer energy, hear damage reports.
Challenging sure but you can see Battlestar Galactica or Expanse to make it possible.
A challenge, yes, but doable. Start off with submarine battle style suspense (possibly less expensive in production as well…), and when it hopefully is successful enough to run long enough (and to justify higher budgets…), power up the action with the LAC carriers (which would also help keeping the battles „fresh“).
I also don't think there's any way to do justice to Nimitz (low sense of humor and all) just like there wouldn't be any way to do justice to dragons in a Dragonriders of Pern movie/series...
I was really, REALLY excited about the movie. At the first two HonorCons (Greenville, Raleigh,) Evergreen was there to show concept art and talk about what they were doing. I remember a meeting room stuffed to, or beyond capacity with enraptured fans as Evergreen Studios walked us through the technology and concepts. If done correctly, Honor Harrington could be the next Orville or ST:xxx. Perhaps better than that since Star Trek franchises seem to be going down hill since DS9/Vger.
I went to Evergreen's panel at the first HonorCon in Greenville, and while I was impressed with the concepts they showed us, I was still pretty skeptical about it actually happening... Back then they were still planning it as a film rather than a miniseries, and I just couldn't see that sort of big investment paying off. These days, though, we've got some good examples of similar projects, like The Expanse. The market has also shifted since 2013, back then streaming services weren't so big into the production side of things. House of Cards was sort of seen as the first big streaming success, and it was just doing its first season, so you could say that streaming series were in their infancy. Today, there are more series than ever being produced, so it seems like there's a better market for an Honor Harrington series to be produced than there was back then.
I was at the Evergreen panels as well, and it was definitely exiting! My biggest complaint was how much their concept art differed from the books; like David says, they probably knew stuff he and I don't about making movies, but I was still a bit miffed at how much they were changing some things -- the spaceships and uniforms, in particular.
To be honest, they didn't really have any choice. In a visual medium, (particularly relevant to gaming, but also to film) it's very important that things should be immediately recognizable as being distinct, preferably by their silhouette. You want the audience to be able to tell things apart instinctively. Ships in the honorverse all look largely identical due to the physics of the universe. That works perfectly fine in a book when you're saying which ships are whose, but it doesn't work at all in a film where the audience needs to be able to see them on the screen and immediately know whose are whose.
I can see that, and get where they're coming from, but I'd still be less miffed if the changes weren't quite as extreme. I like to think audiences deserve at least _some_ credit when it comes to being able to recognize differences without having to completely distort the source material. And it wouldn't do to make the Havenite ships _too_ evil looking either, given the events of later books. The books describe enough differences that could be enhanced and exaggerated to aid recognition without changing things up drastically, in my opinion.
The easiest way to deal with this would be to have each nation paint their ships a different color. This would be a call back to the Age of Sail when most nations painted the stripe along the gun decks a different color. The British used yellow ochre, the French used red, the US used white, I'm pretty sure somebody used a light blue, and so on.
Have you tried to pitch the idea to HBO ore Netflix?
Amazon they did save the expanse.
So... who do you see playing her? Angelina Jolie? Lucy Liu? Maybe Ming Na Wen?
Adelaide Kane!
this should be on t.v.
I would just hope anything done would not be another Starship Troopers.
The only way it resembled the book was the name. Robert would have died watching that movie it sucked so badly.
Agree with him. The movie would be a worse butchering than Potter was. Honestly it would have to be several seasons.