It makes me sick that the family looked the other way while the father sexually abused the daughter, and got her pregnant, but they were disapproving of any daughter having a baby with another man. The social mores were all twisted up in this situation. I get that "within family" is a bit different, and they were probably all emotionally abused as well, but something's disgustingly wrong with that view.
Of course, all these Mommy & Daddy Dearest books was only published after the principal carrier passed away, so, not only was there no proof any type of abuse took place, recall, books are wrote to make money, especially gossip books.
@@sphinxrising1129 I agree that a lot of topics (that some seem to take as facts) - came to light well after the trial and there validity does need to be questioned ... I am sure many involved wanted to present a different view but these do ( as you state) need to be taken with these facts in mind.
I was molested when I was little by a family member and he molested many other of my relatives. He was protected in the family. My mother knew what he was doing and told me not to tell anyone. I suppressed trauma for decades without therapy. It all surfaced now later in life of course with PTSD and severe depression. Having suffering a lifetime of pain now treated with intense therapy. Mothers and families out there listen to your children when they confide in you of abuse. Protect your children. Get them help. Don’t leave them this way. 💔
I was molested by the same guy for years when I was a kid and don't need therapy and have no ptsd... unless the man violently beat you or did sadistic things to you I don't see how you have ptsd.
I remember this although I was about 13. I naturally didn't know all the harrowing details of her life. Pierrepont the executioner has been quoted as saying, 'Never did I see someone so anxious to die '. She had lived a life constantly abused at the hands of men and lost babies. I don't think her gravestone is there now. An unmarked grave.
I am not suprised she shot the guy. He punched her so violently in the stomach he killed the child she was carrying. Not saying its right what she did, but DV and trauma everywhere in this womans life.
One of the saddest cases. My mum remembered it and told me all about it. She said that as a crime of passion, Ruth should have been jailed but not executed. I agree.
EXACTLY!!!!! And plus she confessed to it. Thus they could have given her a plea bargain (that's how we do it in the US)... Plus all the abuse he inflicted on her caused her mental anxiety caused her to react in this fashion...
No Crime of Passion in the Uk - and No Plea Bargaining in the UK either..... And when you read the court transcript Ruth did not seem to wish to paint David in a bad light.
The 1985 movie "Dance With A Stranger" is a fictionalized account of the Ruth Ellis story. Miranda Richardson gives a striking portrayal of Ruth and Rupert Everett plays David Blakely. Super film.
I agree with you ... Ruth Ellis was quite a woman, it seems, In an interview she says she prefers capital punishment. Ruth Ellis was a good defendant. She didn't lie about her actions. She didn't shirk taking responsibility. In this way, the judge could unequivocally hand down her death sentence. She didn't drag out the punishment. After the objection deadlines were met the hanging could be carried out
@Greta Svenson Yes, I agree in both points 😎 Ruth's former husband and also my ex-husband hung with short drop, I think both guys still had some fun at the gallows, not a dead instantly like her 😆😆
I had a wonderful maiden aunt, who was the kindest and most decent person I have ever known and my mother told me that she was dumped by one of those Canadian soldiers who was an officer, she never really got over it and never married but was never bitter and never spoke about it to any of us
She was probably too embarresed to talk about it, as she should have been - so I'll give her credit for taking responsibility for her own personal actions/decisions.
She was abused by men and was executed for standing up for herself while they got away scot free (even the git she murdered). Things haven’t really changed for domestic abuse victims in the nearly 75 years since!
I agree with all that except with David Ruth had a chance to avoid things going too far this time, she had a decent man Desmond who loved her would have Married her and gave her a good life but she wouldn’t let David go even though it should have been obvious that Desmond was best for her, she was obsessed with David and got pregnant by him when she should have known better by then and her killing David wasn’t just about him she was shooting at all the men who abused which David wasn’t part of.
She didn’t stand up for herself she intended to kill him that night. She was driving to where she thought he was with a gun (then saw him otw). Waited for him to come out & murdered him. This was more if I can’t have you no one will.
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My aunt was the Chief Prison Officer at Holloway Women Prison, as one of her duties she stayed with the condemned the night before there sentence was carried out, she sat with Ruth Ellis.😢
I think when you've been through so much in emotional, mental and sexual abuse all your life that when it came time to face the hangman you're spirit and hope are already long dead so what else can you do but accept it with grace......... rip Ruth ❤
He bad past, however awful they might be, doesn't forgive her sins and toxicity. She got what she deserved for committing 1st degree murder. Y'all really like these sob stories and defending monsters
@@PaperMakersAdeludedbroad So you agree with wife beating/girlfriend beating ?..He got what he deserved but Ruth should not have been hung after suffering at his hands .Yes she deserved punishing, but after suffering at the hands of men all her life I do not believe the hanging was appropriate. I'm a believer in the death penalty as our UK court /penal system is far too lenient. If a man wants to beat and bully his weaker partner he deserves to be killed .Karma comes to mind and he got that ..Good on Ruth and shame on the judge for passing that sentence on her. ps...Sob stories !!! f==k u--- cretin.
I think she had enough and just couldn't keep going. Suicide by state and took one of her abusers a out with her. I struggle with my feelings in capitol punishment... as a Texan we do a lot of it and while there are some hideous murderers who I felt absolutely deserved it, but I also think it's a worse punishment to let them live the rest of their lives in prison. Then there's the people who are wrongly convicted. Capital punishment isn't a deterrent, it never has been. Even back when the law was an eye for an eye, a life for a life, it didn't matter. It only leaves hurt in its wake and has taken too many innocent lives.
If the people committing hideous crimes had a conscience, then sure, keeping them alive to relive their guilt would be a good punishment. But, you lack understanding to think they do. It takes a complete lack of conscience to commit most of these crimes and time heals all wounds - including the pain you cause yourself when you hurt others (if you feel it at all). Capital punishment can be a deterrent for reasonable people, but why should we support people who make our society worse for the rest of their lives? Some lives aren't worth keeping around after they have done certain hideous things. Take serial child molesters, and violent rapists. Why is it worth burdening good people with their upkeep? That's what prison does. We need to get rid of the worst dregs of society, and do what we can to rehabilitate the rest.
as an american taxpayer , i am all for CAPITOL PUNISHMENT . there is no second chance for the victim of murder. we have out of control criminals that MUST PAY THE PRICE . , NOT LONG COSTLY PRISON TIME , DEATH THE FINAL DETERRENT...
@@rpmzing7712 The death penalty doesn't deterr anything but you could make a case for the citizens not wanting to pay for the lives of such monsters in prison. However the legal system should be close to perfect for the death penalty to be applied so that it can be used only for those whose guilt is proved without doubt. Are you confident that the justice system with all its issues isn't going to punish with death someone who is actually innocent? It has happened many times in the past all over the world.
I don't consider it a deterrent, I consider it a method of getting rid of humans who will do nothing but cause pain for others, it's removing a problem. There are absolutely people that don't need to be on this planet, but this woman was not one of them. This woman was abused horrendously for years with no help, execution should be saved for the worst of the worst- like pedos who act on their "desires". You can never know for sure if someone is guilty or innocent, and it should come down to whats better for society as a whole.
The argument's of whether the death penalty is a good idea and if our (in my case American) justice systems use it correctly are very much separate issues that too often get thrown in as the same argument. No the death penalty should not be used in any case that there is any sort of doubt, but YES there are monsters out there that society is better off ending their continuing danger and existence, that we know for unrefutable fact are guilty. Does the system need to change? Yes. Does state execution have a place in that system? Yes.
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It's unfortunate that nothing was done about the abuse she suffered which culminated in this crime. Of course murder is never okay, but I feel that it can be prevented in many cases. I'm against the death penalty in general. I think it's barbaric, and it is unnerving when a state or nation can legally kill its own citizens.
I find it more unnerving to provide, for example, a proven child murderer (the actual barbarian) tax-funded room and board while he/she spends 30 years filing appeals, getting fan mail, conjugal visits, married, having children, etc. I don't call that civilized, nor does this form of "mercy" encourage civilized behavior, any more than the death penalty deters homicide. We're animals at heart, and this is simply justice. Get rid of him. He earned it.
@@jodi2847 What about all those, who didn't, but still got killed, because the system fucked up? 'Get rid' of the people, who made mistakes or didn't have the technology, yet?
@@jodi2847 That you view any life as so little worth, that you are driven by revenge to premeditated torture and killing - this doesnt make you a good person
@@mycosys and those in jail for torturing, killing, raping etc because they want to and enjoy it, not just to adults but children also? they aren't good people, do they deserve your pity, when it happens to someone you love ask yourself that question , where was their compassion when they harmed others , people can be downright evil , WHY you'd defend that is mind-boggling, doesn't make YOU a good person either, have compassion for the ones left behind and the victims NOT the scumbags who don't care.
This is my favorite channel on RUclips. Thank you for these amazing videos! The criminal justice system is very flawed. Over the past 50 years, 187 people who had been wrongly convicted and sentenced to death in the U.S. have been exonerated. How many other innocent people were put to death before they could prove their case? The death penalty should not exist as long as mistakes like this exist within the system.
@@mycosys I agree with you. I'm not in favor of the death penalty at all. But so many people subscribe to the "eye for an eye" thing. And what I said in my original post is directed towards them. We may be killing people who committed no crime, and that shouldn't be acceptable to anyone.
Ruth Ellis was made to undergo the indignity of being forced to put on thick canvas knickers just before her execution. It was a bizarre Home Office regulation for condemmed women instituted after Edith Thompson was hanged also at Holloway in 1923 and blood was found in her knickers afterwards (there were serious doubts about the soundness of Thompson's conviction and she had to be carried to the gallows - the executioner was deeply disturbed by the hanging and committed suicide later). Imagine Ruth being calmly resigned to her imminent execution and suddenly being ordered to put on a large pair of uncomfortable canvas knickers without explanation. Only a man could have come up with such an insensitive regulation.
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Excellent video; and so sensitively done. I appreciate how you don't sensationalise. I often refer to Humphrey's question in advocacy training. One thing that mildly puzzles me though if why there' wasn't an additional count for the injury to the by-stander.
Most interesting video with a very lucid narrative that hones in very precisely on what took place during the events that unfolded. Very enjoyable and interesting. Thanks ! Keep them coming ✅😊
Ending capital punishment panned out really well didn't it. The Kray's, Moors Murderers, Peter Sutcliffe, Ian Huntley and all the terrorist attacks, including a soldier decapitated. The death penalty may not be a deterrent, but it does ensure a murder never kills again.
To me, the question regarding capital punishment has less to do with whether or not it is a deterrent to others, and more to do with the fact that it is a responsibility of society to cleanse itself. To me the most cruel and unusual punishment is making someone sit in a cell for the rest of their natural life; caged and isolated.
She was the last woman to be hanged because she should never, never, Never have been hanged; it was all those abusive men in her life who were more deserving of a hanging!
Very entertaining way of explaining. I enjoyed it. Capital punishment is not a deterrent but there are individuals who are never going to reform. Where should they be kept and why?
I think there are certain cases where capital punishment should still exist. Some people are too monstrous to risk attempting to rehabilitate and return them to society; terrorists and serial murderers, as well as the more extreme sexual criminals, should still be made to fear the death sentence should they be caught and convicted. But I think a significant amount of nuance should exist, so that cases like this one do not have to end with the death of someone who spent a lifetime being tortured and used before they finally snapped, and who might yet have been rehabilitated and indeed prevented if they had only been given adequate compassion and care from those in authority.
What a shame that she paid the price for her actions but yet the ones that hurt, abuse her in every way never paid the price for what they had done to her. I don't think she should have walked free but I believe she she has only gotten only like 5 years in jail and then been released to start her new life
@@cplcabs you can't say she would do it again. Try putting yourself I'm her shoes . What it's ok what others did to her? Wow so sad how some people think.🤔😒
@@selenaherring1279 what others did to her does not excuse her murdering someone. You are defending murder and you have the gall to say it so sad how some people think? Seriously? Get a grip.
@@cplcabs call it whatever you like but your pretty much saying it's ok what others did to her as well and I never said she didn't deserve to be punished for what she did I just don't believe she should of had to pay with her life. Gosh get a grip
@@selenaherring1279 no, I never said that at all, stop putting words into my mouth. It is you who is advocating murder. So she had a string of bad abusive relationships which sucks but it does not mean you can go and murder people. There is a story of a couple of kids being bullied at school. They went on to shoot up the school. Do you think that is OK as well? Like I said, get a grip.
@@cplcabs read the proper story, the full story and you will find out all about her. It is quite a deep story and sometimes heartbreaking. My aunt told me all about her. If she got flowers sent to her she used to give them to the guards. Best wishes 🇬🇧😭
I agree with capital punishment in many cases. I can’t justify someone living their life off tax payer money after they took another life. Yet, I do sympathize with cases like this because so many people just need help and ultimately the community let her down by not taking action against her family sooner despite her abuse being seen by law enforcement.
Very well documented Sir, with an aptitude of clarity and professionalism in your presentation. The Culture of that Era 'Is'... what the Culture of that Era 'was'. Nothing can change that. What we now know in criminality and psychology (cause and effect in behavior) through research has dramatically changed the laws throughout the decades. So I would submit that, It matters not what we think of the repercussions of yesteryear. It only matters what we have learned through research from yesteryear to the present time at hand.
Stanwyck also played characters who were a bit like Ruth Ellis. Sexually liberated, independent-minded...and one of her characters actually shot a man dead in a movie aptly named Crime of Passion.
Thank you for this. I wish you had covered a little of the fact back then it was considered normal to 'keep your woman in line' and family violence in general was fairly normal. Also that sex workers were considered the lowest class of society
I always roll my eyes when someone says that the death penalty isn't a deterrent. It's an argument that can't be proven. After all, if someone wanted to murder someone but changes his/her mind because they could get the death penalty, they don't then go tell the cops or anyone else that they changed their minds for that reason. On the same token, someone who murders another rarely considers any kind of punishment they may get. Consider that if one shoots & kills someone, depending on the charge or degree, the place it happens or even the DA can make it be involuntary manslaughter to 1st degree murder. But if they have their finger on the trigger, does anyone think about how they'll be charged?
Personally I support the death penalty, however something you mentioned in this video struck me as odd. As she committed murder the penalty was automatically death. While I agree that the death penalty should be on the table, and it should be used, it can't be a one size fits all sentence. That's troubling. In the case of Ruth Ellis, she lived a troubled life. I can't begin to imagine the horrors of her childhood at the hands of her father. Despite that, she still murdered a man in broad daylight with no consideration for anyone else around her (evident by her wounding a bystander). She showed no remorse, she knew what she was doing, she understood the gravity of her situation. A tragic end to a tragic life.
A death sentence wasnt always mandatory. Ruth sealed her fate by saying "I intended to kill him". She wanted to die. Which is why she didnt put up a fight in court. She downplayed the abuse. She had wanted to plead guilty but her lawyers manipulated her to plead not guilty by saying she could have her say in court. The defence were trying to save her life. She blamed David's friends the Finlaters for ruining her relationship and wanted that to come out in court. But her defence gave the Finlaters an easy time. Ruth was devastated and felt betrayed by her defence and lost interest in the proceedings.
I was in a play based on Ruth Ellis' story. As it was set in the time she lived and died in everything was painted black, white or grey to look like an old movie from those days - including us actors! I played a whole bunch of small part background characters because I can do different voices.
Capital punishment isn't easy for anyone involved, on any level; but it IS justice. If someone INTENTIONALLY steals my life from me - all the love, joy, fun, beauty, family happiness, simple pleasures, memories - everything that I might get to experience; I want them dead. If they intentionally killed my child, I will watch them die. I don't care if execution isn't a deterrent to others; it's punishment for the worst crime possible to commit. Life is so precious that nearly everyone would choose 50 years in a prison cell, just to stay alive. Why should we allow that luxury for a killer who purposefully denied it to another? Keeping a killer alive is not justice for anyone. Only easier. Indisputably, Ruth's life was deeply tragic and I feel great compassion for her. If she had killed a man out of desperation at 16 (like her father), my opinion regarding punishment would be completely different. But, she grew up & got away from him, she CHOSE to get involved with using men ("using" in this case is both a verb and adjective), become a "full service escort" and stay with an abusive, drunken, destructive crowd. Even after having a little baby - who so badly needed her to be better - she chose that life - EVERY DAY of her life! And ruined his life along with her own. Ruth could've made her living as an escort - if there was no other way - and kept the horror out of her personal life by making her child, her priority. But she wanted to be with an abusive lover, beatings and all, she LIKED the excitement of living dangerously, and I do believe that if someone had offered her a respectable, healthy life she would've turned it down. Some people find living clean simply too boring; I know many. I used to be one, for Christ's sake. I was an unsupervised child and molested by several men as a young girl. My happiness was destroyed; it took decades to heal from that damage. At 55 y/o, I can honestly say it has colored my entire life, affected my habits, decisions and my very nature. Damages have been suffered by my children, who also were innocent victims of lifelong mental repercussions of my abuse. My grand nieces were also molested, by their father, for years before it was discovered. He was ALSO sexually abused as a small child. It just never ends. Factually: millions of Americans are victims of sexual abuse - and they cope. They heal, live productive lives, don't pass it on to their own kids and never kill anyone. Others take another route & want mercy because of their rotten luck as kids. 'First world' citizens have an idea that life is supposed to be “fair”. Others know, that is a social construct. Life is not fair, but it can be JUST. IMO, Ruth's father is the one who should've been killed and every child molester should be killed. It is well documented that there is no cure and the urges never, EVER, stop. Even with physical or chemical castration they are still very often driven to practicing destructive perversions on the innocent. Sexual abusers are a danger to those who are most precious, most deserving of care, and they deserve no other consideration than the well being of the victim demands. Zero percent of dead child molesters & killers repeat their crime. I hope they all go straight to hell; they've put others there, purely for their own pleasure.
I don't think the original intention of capital punishment was ever to act as a deterrent. I think it was a matter of justice: if you take another's life, you have no right to continue to live yours. Although here, in the US, she would have only been convicted of murder 2, because it would have been considered a crime of passion, and murder 2 is not death penalty-eligible.
Doesn't that make you and your society premeditated revenge killers? Against people (prisoners) who are in a situation where they are completely helpless against you and entirely in your control. Seems especially barbaric. You pretend to follow Jesus - in what way is that turning the other cheek, forgiving, or loving your enemy?
@@mycosys can we leave religion out of this please and focus on facts? NO country has the perfect judicial system, there are flaws and loopholes in every single one.
She would have had to plea bargain for murder 2 most likely, given that she was a bit "free and easy with her affections", she took up with 2 men and became obsessed with the abusive one, I guess the gentle one was too boring. For a rock solid crime of passion she'd've been better to do it the night she went to the friends' apartment when the row ensued.
@@mycosys I don't pretend to follow Jesus. I'm not Christian. And I wasn't speaking about my personal beliefs; I was saying that historically people of all cultures have practiced capital punishment as a form of justice, not as a deterrent factor. So you can't look back through history and say, "This has never been a deterrent" when for thousands of years, no one ever expected it to be. It's not like our ancestors were stupid and never noticed. They just weren't doing it for that reason.
@@janloughran1503 Eh, I think a good defense attorney could get murder 2. Clearly there was a certain obsession there between both of them. They had a love-hate relationship. Those are the ones that are most likely to end up in a crime of passion. If a regular guy comes home and catches his wife in bed with someone, he may get angry, but probably not shooting angry. If a jealous man, especially one that tends to be abusive, comes home and finds the same thing, he's going to go for a gun. The same is true of women who get obsessed. And, of course, a good attorney would bring up her bad childhood and how she never had a father's love or a normal relationship with men and that drove her into a bad relationship. And most people don't take too kindly to women beaters, so she would have gotten sympathy for that. She's like a woman with Stockholm Syndrome, jealously in love with her abuser.
My father and his oldest friend used to go for a pint on a Tuesday evening and a Sunday lunch in Wickersley, near Rotherham. One of the local councillors was called Sue Ellis. Only time she was seen by the locals in the boozer was coming up to election time. And the old Yorkshire men used to say “must be election time as Ruth Ellis, the last woman hanged in UK is canvassing”
There’s a reason it’s called capitol punishment instead of capitol deterrent. It’s intended to remove those from society that we can never risk allowing back into society.
Capital punishment should never be off the table. For some, it is not a deterrent, but for many, it allows for bargaining and leads to full confessions and closure. We cheapen life when we don't punish those who take it in the harshest way.
Maybe our host will cover that one soon! It certainly warrants our attention. He could even write off a vacation to Cyprus on his taxes to do that story! 🇨🇾
From what I've read previously Ruth Ellis had a miscarriage days before she shot David has anyone else heard this? If she had then that should have been used as an excuse. They knew then as we know now that the sudden alteration of hormones in a woman after a miscarriage or live birth can cause post natal depression to post natal psychosis
Very articulate and excellently told. 👏 👏 Bravo! Now, in my very humble opinion, an eye for an eye. But than again, I'm a black and white seeing gal (in most things - which can be a great curse at times). Again - many thanks for sharing with the world this tragic tale.
EXCELLENT !! STORYRELLER ! PAUL BRODIE. MANY THANKS INDEED !!! HOWEVER, THE RETRIED HANGMAN'S . WORDS WAS MOST INTERESTING BECAUSE I WAS ZEALOUSLY ALL FOR CAPITAL PUNISHMENT OF MURDERERS HIS EXPERIENCE WAS PROFOUNDLY COMPASSIONATE . FROM, U.K. (2023).
To me, the point of capitol punishment isnt so much about being a deterrent, its more about removing an individual from society that has proven themselves to be unsafe to walk freely. Once you have sunk so low as to take another life, yours is forfeit, and to prevent you from taking more lives, you should he removed from this world.
Your channel is brilliant! Very well researched and I've learned much. In Ruth's case I don't think execution was justified. I don't think she was truly a bad person. I think she was a victim of cruelty throughout her life and the murder was the culmination of this. I'm not saying she shouldn't have been punished but execution wasn't the answer in her case. I'm not against capitol punishment. I think it is necessary for certain, truly evil individuals. But she was not one of these.
What a life this woman had, just like one tragedy after another. I can't even imagine what it would feel like to be hurt by so many men, even her own father. This poor woman never had a chance, what a tragic story. I wonder how her abusive father felt when he saw what became of her and what he had done to her life
I'm certainly not the sentimental kind, I don't care about stories of model trains on death row and last meal pecan pies saved for "later". I'm not the kind who squanders away her tears. However, our Western judicial system is not based on retribution. Since the Middle Ages, capital punishment has been understood as a means of collective self-defense, to make sure somebody who is considered so dangerous that this person can never be trusted about anybody else again will never pose a danger again. Aquinas compared executing criminals to amputating infected limbs. Remove something before it kills the rest. Kant held a similar opinion.
What a sad, sad, life. When the whole system is rigged against females and children* 😔 Edit to the men who don't get it... Her LIFE was sad, not her death. Pre-meditated murder isn't a feminist issue. It was sexist to ban hanging BECAUSE she was a woman. She could die like a man! *her father and partners were never punished for their attacks on women because they were women.
“Fell pregnant.” That term is nicer than “knocked up.” Classic British class in everything from careful attention to details, immaculate dress, and engaging story telling . You are a treasure from across the pond.
I think that with the abusive past from several men, and hard life, she should have gotten a life sentence, with a possibility of parole. You cannot outrun your past. It can have a traumatic effect on you and others if you cannot heal from it. RIP
It makes me sick that the family looked the other way while the father sexually abused the daughter, and got her pregnant, but they were disapproving of any daughter having a baby with another man. The social mores were all twisted up in this situation. I get that "within family" is a bit different, and they were probably all emotionally abused as well, but something's disgustingly wrong with that view.
Of course, all these Mommy & Daddy Dearest books was only published after the principal carrier passed away, so, not only was there no proof any type of abuse took place, recall, books are wrote to make money, especially gossip books.
Yes. The mother looking the other way astounds and disgusts me. If I’d been her….That man would go MISSING.
@@sphinxrising1129 I agree that a lot of topics (that some seem to take as facts) - came to light well after the trial and there validity does need to be questioned ... I am sure many involved wanted to present a different view but these do ( as you state) need to be taken with these facts in mind.
Sadly things were very very different in them days. It was very wrong of the mum not doing anything but back then they did for some reason
Sadly this was a very common occurrence and sickly it still is.
I was molested when I was little by a family member and he molested many other of my relatives. He was protected in the family. My mother knew what he was doing and told me not to tell anyone. I suppressed trauma for decades without therapy. It all surfaced now later in life of course with PTSD and severe depression. Having suffering a lifetime of pain now treated with intense therapy. Mothers and families out there listen to your children when they confide in you of abuse. Protect your children. Get them help. Don’t leave them this way. 💔
I'm so sorry that happened to you :c
Your mother is a piece of shit!!!! Sounds like the rest of the family isn’t too far behind, I’m sorry for what you have been through
My god so sorry
So very sorry for what you went through
I was molested by the same guy for years when I was a kid and don't need therapy and have no ptsd... unless the man violently beat you or did sadistic things to you I don't see how you have ptsd.
I remember this although I was about 13. I naturally didn't know all the harrowing details of her life. Pierrepont the executioner has been quoted as saying, 'Never did I see someone so anxious to die '. She had lived a life constantly abused at the hands of men and lost babies. I don't think her gravestone is there now. An unmarked grave.
I am not suprised she shot the guy. He punched her so violently in the stomach he killed the child she was carrying. Not saying its right what she did, but DV and trauma everywhere in this womans life.
And then he throws her down the stairs
Absolutely, she didn't deserve to be hanged.
Her actions were proper. The man was a brute.
I would've done the same as her
I’m not surprised either bc women are really unpredictable and not in control of their emotions and actions. They are victims unless we protect them.
What a heartbreaking story, I was especially sad to hear about her son & the anger he harbored towards his mother, sad, sad, all the way around.
Her ex-husband hanged himself a year later
One of the saddest cases. My mum remembered it and told me all about it. She said that as a crime of passion, Ruth should have been jailed but not executed. I agree.
EXACTLY!!!!! And plus she confessed to it. Thus they could have given her a plea bargain (that's how we do it in the US)... Plus all the abuse he inflicted on her caused her mental anxiety caused her to react in this fashion...
No Crime of Passion in the Uk - and No Plea Bargaining in the UK either..... And when you read the court transcript Ruth did not seem to wish to paint David in a bad light.
@@WittyOriginalUsername pre meditated cold blooded murder plain and simple
Anybody feel "passionate" about you? Understandably, they might want to kill you. No biggie!
How is letting her grow old behind bars more humane?
The 1985 movie "Dance With A Stranger" is a fictionalized account of the Ruth Ellis story. Miranda Richardson gives a striking portrayal of Ruth and Rupert Everett plays David Blakely. Super film.
Good casting! I'll look for it
Yes it was a really good film.
What kind of life would she have if she had been spared? There’s no reason to think it would have gotten any better. Poor lady.
I agree with you ...
Ruth Ellis was quite a woman, it seems, In an interview she says she prefers capital punishment.
Ruth Ellis was a good defendant. She didn't lie about her actions. She didn't shirk taking responsibility. In this way, the judge could unequivocally hand down her death sentence.
She didn't drag out the punishment. After the objection deadlines were met the hanging could be carried out
Ruth Ellis' story never fails to break my heart.
Ruth's former husband hanged himself a year later... I think he wanted to follow her in real love, he used a hangman's noose
Even more shocking hanging Edith Thompson in 1923.
@Greta Svenson what does that have to do with anything?
@Greta Svenson Yes, I agree in both points 😎 Ruth's former husband and also my ex-husband hung with short drop, I think both guys still had some fun at the gallows, not a dead instantly like her 😆😆
@@sigridbohne George Ellis committed suicide two years after Ruth's Death - and it's sad to see anyone taking pleasure in how people died.
I had a wonderful maiden aunt, who was the kindest and most decent person I have ever known and my mother told me that she was dumped by one of those Canadian soldiers who was an officer, she never really got over it and never married but was never bitter and never spoke about it to any of us
So fvcking what? Life is full of stories like that.
Bernard , that's a sad story that happened often. Such a shame .
She was probably too embarresed to talk about it, as she should have been - so I'll give her credit for taking responsibility for her own personal actions/decisions.
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What on earth do you think was embarrassing about that story!? Troll.
@@Celisar1 What she'd done to get dumped, I'd imagine.
She was abused by men and was executed for standing up for herself while they got away scot free (even the git she murdered). Things haven’t really changed for domestic abuse victims in the nearly 75 years since!
I agree with all that except with David Ruth had a chance to avoid things going too far this time, she had a decent man Desmond who loved her would have Married her and gave her a good life but she wouldn’t let David go even though it should have been obvious that Desmond was best for her, she was obsessed with David and got pregnant by him when she should have known better by then and her killing David wasn’t just about him she was shooting at all the men who abused which David wasn’t part of.
She didn’t stand up for herself she intended to kill him that night. She was driving to where she thought he was with a gun (then saw him otw). Waited for him to come out & murdered him. This was more if I can’t have you no one will.
This is why as a women I decided to die single and alone.
@@equarg lol
Except this time it’s the other way around due to feminism - women are the ones that don’t get the blame and men are the ones who do
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My aunt was the Chief Prison Officer at Holloway Women Prison, as one of her duties she stayed with the condemned the night before there sentence was carried out, she sat with Ruth Ellis.😢
There was always two guards on watch with a condemned prisoner during the time before an execution not just the night before
@@jonldnshe didn't say there was two, only that her aunt sat with her
@@despicabledavidshort3806 and I was only saying what the rules were …..
Oh my !
interesting.@@jonldn
I love how you cover these stories and I really appreciate how you visit the locations so we can see them too 💜
I think when you've been through so much in emotional, mental and sexual abuse all your life that when it came time to face the hangman you're spirit and hope are already long dead so what else can you do but accept it with grace......... rip Ruth ❤
The poor girl found death a relief than the hell she faced on earth.
Oh, Ruth's parents disapproved of her pregnancy! The audacity 😠
I feel terrible for Ruth. Such a tragic life and death. No one did right by her at any time in her life. Poor Ruth.
He bad past, however awful they might be, doesn't forgive her sins and toxicity. She got what she deserved for committing 1st degree murder. Y'all really like these sob stories and defending monsters
@@PaperMakersAdeludedbroad So you agree with wife beating/girlfriend beating ?..He got what he deserved but Ruth should not have been hung after suffering at his hands .Yes she deserved punishing, but after suffering at the hands of men all her life I do not believe the hanging was appropriate.
I'm a believer in the death penalty as our UK court /penal system is far too lenient. If a man wants to beat and bully his weaker partner he deserves to be killed .Karma comes to mind and he got that ..Good on Ruth and shame on the judge for passing that sentence on her.
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@@PaperMakersAdeludedbroad She was no monster.
@@nicolad8822 wtf ?
I think she had enough and just couldn't keep going. Suicide by state and took one of her abusers a out with her. I struggle with my feelings in capitol punishment... as a Texan we do a lot of it and while there are some hideous murderers who I felt absolutely deserved it, but I also think it's a worse punishment to let them live the rest of their lives in prison. Then there's the people who are wrongly convicted. Capital punishment isn't a deterrent, it never has been. Even back when the law was an eye for an eye, a life for a life, it didn't matter. It only leaves hurt in its wake and has taken too many innocent lives.
If the people committing hideous crimes had a conscience, then sure, keeping them alive to relive their guilt would be a good punishment. But, you lack understanding to think they do. It takes a complete lack of conscience to commit most of these crimes and time heals all wounds - including the pain you cause yourself when you hurt others (if you feel it at all).
Capital punishment can be a deterrent for reasonable people, but why should we support people who make our society worse for the rest of their lives? Some lives aren't worth keeping around after they have done certain hideous things. Take serial child molesters, and violent rapists. Why is it worth burdening good people with their upkeep? That's what prison does. We need to get rid of the worst dregs of society, and do what we can to rehabilitate the rest.
as an american taxpayer , i am all for CAPITOL PUNISHMENT . there is no second chance for the victim of murder. we have out of control criminals that MUST PAY THE PRICE . , NOT LONG COSTLY PRISON TIME , DEATH THE FINAL DETERRENT...
@@rpmzing7712 The death penalty doesn't deterr anything but you could make a case for the citizens not wanting to pay for the lives of such monsters in prison. However the legal system should be close to perfect for the death penalty to be applied so that it can be used only for those whose guilt is proved without doubt. Are you confident that the justice system with all its issues isn't going to punish with death someone who is actually innocent? It has happened many times in the past all over the world.
I don't consider it a deterrent, I consider it a method of getting rid of humans who will do nothing but cause pain for others, it's removing a problem. There are absolutely people that don't need to be on this planet, but this woman was not one of them. This woman was abused horrendously for years with no help, execution should be saved for the worst of the worst- like pedos who act on their "desires". You can never know for sure if someone is guilty or innocent, and it should come down to whats better for society as a whole.
Disagree sadly the capital sentance is the only answer for some crimes not all people are capable of feeling guilt and remorse
This poor woman knew nothing but pain. Her poor soul
I agree the death penalty is not a deterrent, but is just punishment in some cases. Monsters such as serial killers for example.
The argument's of whether the death penalty is a good idea and if our (in my case American) justice systems use it correctly are very much separate issues that too often get thrown in as the same argument. No the death penalty should not be used in any case that there is any sort of doubt, but YES there are monsters out there that society is better off ending their continuing danger and existence, that we know for unrefutable fact are guilty. Does the system need to change? Yes. Does state execution have a place in that system? Yes.
.... and the likes of Ruth Ellis i.e. cold-blooded murderers.
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Death penalties should be reserved for the worst of the worst. Serial killers mostly
Agree, serial killers and add family annihilators (which I guess counts as serial killing)
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Love the way you set this up. Outdoor, on site. Great editing.
Well, I never 😳.... Heard this story before. So thank you my friend for the effort and your channel. ✌️
There are worse crimes than murder. What a tragic story.
Explanation please. What exact crimes are worse than murder?
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Horse manure! maybe???? the same but not worse.
It's unfortunate that nothing was done about the abuse she suffered which culminated in this crime. Of course murder is never okay, but I feel that it can be prevented in many cases. I'm against the death penalty in general. I think it's barbaric, and it is unnerving when a state or nation can legally kill its own citizens.
I find it more unnerving to provide, for example, a proven child murderer (the actual barbarian) tax-funded room and board while he/she spends 30 years filing appeals, getting fan mail, conjugal visits, married, having children, etc. I don't call that civilized, nor does this form of "mercy" encourage civilized behavior, any more than the death penalty deters homicide. We're animals at heart, and this is simply justice. Get rid of him. He earned it.
@@jodi2847 What about all those, who didn't, but still got killed, because the system fucked up? 'Get rid' of the people, who made mistakes or didn't have the technology, yet?
@@jodi2847 That you view any life as so little worth, that you are driven by revenge to premeditated torture and killing - this doesnt make you a good person
@@mycosys and those in jail for torturing, killing, raping etc because they want to and enjoy it, not just to adults but children also? they aren't good people, do they deserve your pity, when it happens to someone you love ask yourself that question , where was their compassion when they harmed others , people can be downright evil , WHY you'd defend that is mind-boggling, doesn't make YOU a good person either, have compassion for the ones left behind and the victims NOT the scumbags who don't care.
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I suspect you would have a different view if someone close to you was killed.
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The criminal justice system is very flawed. Over the past 50 years, 187 people who had been wrongly convicted and sentenced to death in the U.S. have been exonerated. How many other innocent people were put to death before they could prove their case? The death penalty should not exist as long as mistakes like this exist within the system.
Even if there was 100% perfect proof for every case it would still be wrong. What kind of society lowers itself to premeditated revenge killing?
@@mycosys I agree with you. I'm not in favor of the death penalty at all. But so many people subscribe to the "eye for an eye" thing. And what I said in my original post is directed towards them. We may be killing people who committed no crime, and that shouldn't be acceptable to anyone.
Ruth Ellis was made to undergo the indignity of being forced to put on thick canvas knickers just before her execution. It was a bizarre Home Office regulation for condemmed women instituted after Edith Thompson was hanged also at Holloway in 1923 and blood was found in her knickers afterwards (there were serious doubts about the soundness of Thompson's conviction and she had to be carried to the gallows - the executioner was deeply disturbed by the hanging and committed suicide later). Imagine Ruth being calmly resigned to her imminent execution and suddenly being ordered to put on a large pair of uncomfortable canvas knickers without explanation. Only a man could have come up with such an insensitive regulation.
Why did Ruth’s father change his surname? Surely something must have precipitated this?
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Yeah, weird itsn't it that it's women who are particularly infatuated with 'true crime' stories?
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Excellent video as always, it's good to see you back! i'd also like to mention your amazing sense of style - your wool coats and hats look so warm and practical for an english winter/spring, it's great to see examples of good classic mens fashion
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Well explained Content. Thank you.
Excellent video; and so sensitively done. I appreciate how you don't sensationalise.
I often refer to Humphrey's question in advocacy training. One thing that mildly puzzles me though if why there' wasn't an additional count for the injury to the by-stander.
Most interesting video with a very lucid narrative that hones in very precisely on what took place during the events that unfolded. Very enjoyable and interesting. Thanks ! Keep them coming ✅😊
Ending capital punishment panned out really well didn't it. The Kray's, Moors Murderers, Peter Sutcliffe, Ian Huntley and all the terrorist attacks, including a soldier decapitated.
The death penalty may not be a deterrent, but it does ensure a murder never kills again.
... yes, but under your reasoning the Guildford 4 and the Birmingham 6 would have been executed. They. Were. Innocent!
To me, the question regarding capital punishment has less to do with whether or not it is a deterrent to others, and more to do with the fact that it is a responsibility of society to cleanse itself. To me the most cruel and unusual punishment is making someone sit in a cell for the rest of their natural life; caged and isolated.
She was the last woman to be hanged because she should never, never, Never have been hanged; it was all those abusive men in her life who were more deserving of a hanging!
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Very entertaining way of explaining. I enjoyed it. Capital punishment is not a deterrent but there are individuals who are never going to reform. Where should they be kept and why?
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I think there are certain cases where capital punishment should still exist. Some people are too monstrous to risk attempting to rehabilitate and return them to society; terrorists and serial murderers, as well as the more extreme sexual criminals, should still be made to fear the death sentence should they be caught and convicted. But I think a significant amount of nuance should exist, so that cases like this one do not have to end with the death of someone who spent a lifetime being tortured and used before they finally snapped, and who might yet have been rehabilitated and indeed prevented if they had only been given adequate compassion and care from those in authority.
Or those people could just spend the rest of their lives in jail. Nobody is saying we should rehabilitate murderers.
Thank you for your great coverage of these stories 👍 very sad ..all round really
A superb video and so beautifully researched. I’m very much enjoying watching your videos and learning some of the darker side of history
What a shame that she paid the price for her actions but yet the ones that hurt, abuse her in every way never paid the price for what they had done to her. I don't think she should have walked free but I believe she she has only gotten only like 5 years in jail and then been released to start her new life
To kill again
@@cplcabs you can't say she would do it again. Try putting yourself I'm her shoes . What it's ok what others did to her? Wow so sad how some people think.🤔😒
@@selenaherring1279 what others did to her does not excuse her murdering someone.
You are defending murder and you have the gall to say it so sad how some people think? Seriously? Get a grip.
@@cplcabs call it whatever you like but your pretty much saying it's ok what others did to her as well and I never said she didn't deserve to be punished for what she did I just don't believe she should of had to pay with her life. Gosh get a grip
@@selenaherring1279 no, I never said that at all, stop putting words into my mouth. It is you who is advocating murder. So she had a string of bad abusive relationships which sucks but it does not mean you can go and murder people. There is a story of a couple of kids being bullied at school. They went on to shoot up the school. Do you think that is OK as well?
Like I said, get a grip.
I remember reading about Ruth Ellis in one of Max Haines' true crime compilations. She had quite the turbulent romantic life.
There was no romance in this woman's life - only abuse.
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Thanks for another great Video! Love your voice and narration.
My Great-Aunt was her appointed warden. She said Ruth was beautiful inside and beautiful outside ❤️🇬🇧
Fascinating! Thank you for sharing!
She can’t have been that beautiful inside, she murdered someone
@@cplcabs read the proper story, the full story and you will find out all about her. It is quite a deep story and sometimes heartbreaking. My aunt told me all about her. If she got flowers sent to her she used to give them to the guards. Best wishes 🇬🇧😭
Why would the daughter go live with her father again and get abused and again live with him.
Makes you think
The whole family was f.........d up
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@@David_Robert get lost you scammer!
I agree with capital punishment in many cases. I can’t justify someone living their life off tax payer money after they took another life. Yet, I do sympathize with cases like this because so many people just need help and ultimately the community let her down by not taking action against her family sooner despite her abuse being seen by law enforcement.
Ruth's former husband hanged himself a year later... I think he wanted to follow her in real love, he used a hangman's noose
People still commit murder regardless of capital punishment being legal, sorry to break it to you.
Yes
Very well documented Sir, with an aptitude of clarity and professionalism in your presentation.
The Culture of that Era 'Is'... what the Culture of that Era 'was'.
Nothing can change that.
What we now know in criminality and psychology (cause and effect in behavior) through research has dramatically changed the laws throughout the decades.
So I would submit that, It matters not what we think of the repercussions of yesteryear. It only matters what we have learned through research from yesteryear to the present time at hand.
She looks like Barbara Stanwyck.
Stanwyck also played characters who were a bit like Ruth Ellis. Sexually liberated, independent-minded...and one of her characters actually shot a man dead in a movie aptly named Crime of Passion.
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It seems like we got this story from Paul just as he was heading to the pub. Cheers! 🍺
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It was pre-meditated as evidenced by her having a gun. It wasn’t a crime of sudden passion or insanity.
Thanks for another true crime story, keep them coming.
wow, from someone that attended Fairfields in Basingstoke in my childhood and now hearing this..blew my mind.
Thank you for this. I wish you had covered a little of the fact back then it was considered normal to 'keep your woman in line' and family violence in general was fairly normal. Also that sex workers were considered the lowest class of society
The rampant sexism throughout this woman's life is heartbreaking. I'm amazed how many comments are defending the boys that abused her.
@@darkylinky288so truw
I always roll my eyes when someone says that the death penalty isn't a deterrent. It's an argument that can't be proven. After all, if someone wanted to murder someone but changes his/her mind because they could get the death penalty, they don't then go tell the cops or anyone else that they changed their minds for that reason. On the same token, someone who murders another rarely considers any kind of punishment they may get. Consider that if one shoots & kills someone, depending on the charge or degree, the place it happens or even the DA can make it be involuntary manslaughter to 1st degree murder. But if they have their finger on the trigger, does anyone think about how they'll be charged?
Personally I support the death penalty, however something you mentioned in this video struck me as odd. As she committed murder the penalty was automatically death. While I agree that the death penalty should be on the table, and it should be used, it can't be a one size fits all sentence. That's troubling.
In the case of Ruth Ellis, she lived a troubled life. I can't begin to imagine the horrors of her childhood at the hands of her father. Despite that, she still murdered a man in broad daylight with no consideration for anyone else around her (evident by her wounding a bystander). She showed no remorse, she knew what she was doing, she understood the gravity of her situation. A tragic end to a tragic life.
A death sentence wasnt always mandatory. Ruth sealed her fate by saying "I intended to kill him". She wanted to die. Which is why she didnt put up a fight in court. She downplayed the abuse. She had wanted to plead guilty but her lawyers manipulated her to plead not guilty by saying she could have her say in court. The defence were trying to save her life. She blamed David's friends the Finlaters for ruining her relationship and wanted that to come out in court. But her defence gave the Finlaters an easy time. Ruth was devastated and felt betrayed by her defence and lost interest in the proceedings.
I think the sentence was just. She was so messed up she would have probably repeated the tragedy once she came out of prison.
You good sir, never fail to tell a mesmerizing tale. Thank-you.
I was in a play based on Ruth Ellis' story. As it was set in the time she lived and died in everything was painted black, white or grey to look like an old movie from those days - including us actors! I played a whole bunch of small part background characters because I can do different voices.
Oh, wow. How fun!
Capital punishment isn't easy for anyone involved, on any level; but it IS justice. If someone INTENTIONALLY steals my life from me - all the love, joy, fun, beauty, family happiness, simple pleasures, memories - everything that I might get to experience; I want them dead.
If they intentionally killed my child, I will watch them die. I don't care if execution isn't a deterrent to others; it's punishment for the worst crime possible to commit. Life is so precious that nearly everyone would choose 50 years in a prison cell, just to stay alive. Why should we allow that luxury for a killer who purposefully denied it to another? Keeping a killer alive is not justice for anyone. Only easier.
Indisputably, Ruth's life was deeply tragic and I feel great compassion for her. If she had killed a man out of desperation at 16 (like her father), my opinion regarding punishment would be completely different. But, she grew up & got away from him, she CHOSE to get involved with using men ("using" in this case is both a verb and adjective), become a "full service escort" and stay with an abusive, drunken, destructive crowd. Even after having a little baby - who so badly needed her to be better - she chose that life - EVERY DAY of her life! And ruined his life along with her own.
Ruth could've made her living as an escort - if there was no other way - and kept the horror out of her personal life by making her child, her priority. But she wanted to be with an abusive lover, beatings and all, she LIKED the excitement of living dangerously, and I do believe that if someone had offered her a respectable, healthy life she would've turned it down. Some people find living clean simply too boring; I know many. I used to be one, for Christ's sake.
I was an unsupervised child and molested by several men as a young girl. My happiness was destroyed; it took decades to heal from that damage. At 55 y/o, I can honestly say it has colored my entire life, affected my habits, decisions and my very nature. Damages have been suffered by my children, who also were innocent victims of lifelong mental repercussions of my abuse.
My grand nieces were also molested, by their father, for years before it was discovered. He was ALSO sexually abused as a small child. It just never ends. Factually: millions of Americans are victims of sexual abuse - and they cope. They heal, live productive lives, don't pass it on to their own kids and never kill anyone. Others take another route & want mercy because of their rotten luck as kids. 'First world' citizens have an idea that life is supposed to be “fair”. Others know, that is a social construct. Life is not fair, but it can be JUST.
IMO, Ruth's father is the one who should've been killed and every child molester should be killed. It is well documented that there is no cure and the urges never, EVER, stop. Even with physical or chemical castration they are still very often driven to practicing destructive perversions on the innocent. Sexual abusers are a danger to those who are most precious, most deserving of care, and they deserve no other consideration than the well being of the victim demands. Zero percent of dead child molesters & killers repeat their crime. I hope they all go straight to hell; they've put others there, purely for their own pleasure.
I don't think the original intention of capital punishment was ever to act as a deterrent. I think it was a matter of justice: if you take another's life, you have no right to continue to live yours.
Although here, in the US, she would have only been convicted of murder 2, because it would have been considered a crime of passion, and murder 2 is not death penalty-eligible.
Doesn't that make you and your society premeditated revenge killers? Against people (prisoners) who are in a situation where they are completely helpless against you and entirely in your control. Seems especially barbaric.
You pretend to follow Jesus - in what way is that turning the other cheek, forgiving, or loving your enemy?
@@mycosys can we leave religion out of this please and focus on facts?
NO country has the perfect judicial system, there are flaws and loopholes in every single one.
She would have had to plea bargain for murder 2 most likely, given that she was a bit "free and easy with her affections", she took up with 2 men and became obsessed with the abusive one, I guess the gentle one was too boring. For a rock solid crime of passion she'd've been better to do it the night she went to the friends' apartment when the row ensued.
@@mycosys I don't pretend to follow Jesus. I'm not Christian. And I wasn't speaking about my personal beliefs; I was saying that historically people of all cultures have practiced capital punishment as a form of justice, not as a deterrent factor. So you can't look back through history and say, "This has never been a deterrent" when for thousands of years, no one ever expected it to be. It's not like our ancestors were stupid and never noticed. They just weren't doing it for that reason.
@@janloughran1503 Eh, I think a good defense attorney could get murder 2. Clearly there was a certain obsession there between both of them. They had a love-hate relationship. Those are the ones that are most likely to end up in a crime of passion. If a regular guy comes home and catches his wife in bed with someone, he may get angry, but probably not shooting angry. If a jealous man, especially one that tends to be abusive, comes home and finds the same thing, he's going to go for a gun. The same is true of women who get obsessed.
And, of course, a good attorney would bring up her bad childhood and how she never had a father's love or a normal relationship with men and that drove her into a bad relationship. And most people don't take too kindly to women beaters, so she would have gotten sympathy for that. She's like a woman with Stockholm Syndrome, jealously in love with her abuser.
Poor Ruth, he biggest problem was MEN.
Her biggest problem was herself and the bad choices she made..
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My father and his oldest friend used to go for a pint on a Tuesday evening and a Sunday lunch in Wickersley, near Rotherham. One of the local councillors was called Sue Ellis. Only time she was seen by the locals in the boozer was coming up to election time. And the old Yorkshire men used to say “must be election time as Ruth Ellis, the last woman hanged in UK is canvassing”
Christmas Humphries was related to my family by marriage. Something I learned when tracing my family tree.
No she did not warrant the death penalty
Sad story, Pierrepoint mentioned it in his autobiography, Executioner. Good read.
There’s a reason it’s called capitol punishment instead of capitol deterrent. It’s intended to remove those from society that we can never risk allowing back into society.
Another good video! It would be interesting to see one on the murder case mentioned at end too.
Capital punishment should never be off the table. For some, it is not a deterrent, but for many, it allows for bargaining and leads to full confessions and closure. We cheapen life when we don't punish those who take it in the harshest way.
Who said capital punishment was intended to be a deterrent? It's intention is justice. An eye for an eye.
Styla's case is pretty gruesome itself as she got away with killing her own mother-in-law back in Cyprus before coming to England.
Maybe our host will cover that one soon! It certainly warrants our attention. He could even write off a vacation to Cyprus on his taxes to do that story! 🇨🇾
From what I've read previously Ruth Ellis had a miscarriage days before she shot David has anyone else heard this? If she had then that should have been used as an excuse. They knew then as we know now that the sudden alteration of hormones in a woman after a miscarriage or live birth can cause post natal depression to post natal psychosis
Very articulate and excellently told. 👏 👏 Bravo! Now, in my very humble opinion, an eye for an eye. But than again, I'm a black and white seeing gal (in most things - which can be a great curse at times). Again - many thanks for sharing with the world this tragic tale.
EXCELLENT !! STORYRELLER ! PAUL BRODIE. MANY THANKS INDEED !!! HOWEVER, THE RETRIED HANGMAN'S . WORDS WAS MOST INTERESTING BECAUSE I WAS ZEALOUSLY ALL FOR CAPITAL PUNISHMENT OF MURDERERS HIS EXPERIENCE WAS PROFOUNDLY COMPASSIONATE . FROM, U.K. (2023).
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To me, the point of capitol punishment isnt so much about being a deterrent, its more about removing an individual from society that has proven themselves to be unsafe to walk freely. Once you have sunk so low as to take another life, yours is forfeit, and to prevent you from taking more lives, you should he removed from this world.
i like the way this guy tells the story he keeps you listening and engaged..
Your channel is brilliant! Very well researched and I've learned much. In Ruth's case I don't think execution was justified. I don't think she was truly a bad person. I think she was a victim of cruelty throughout her life and the murder was the culmination of this. I'm not saying she shouldn't have been punished but execution wasn't the answer in her case. I'm not against capitol punishment. I think it is necessary for certain, truly evil individuals. But she was not one of these.
I'm from Basingstoke. I never knew Ruth Ellis lived here.
What a life this woman had, just like one tragedy after another. I can't even imagine what it would feel like to be hurt by so many men, even her own father. This poor woman never had a chance, what a tragic story. I wonder how her abusive father felt when he saw what became of her and what he had done to her life
Ruth's former husband hanged himself a year later... I think he wanted to follow her in real love, he used a hangman's noose
You reap what you sow. It's not about deterrent it's about PAYING! For the damage
I'm certainly not the sentimental kind, I don't care about stories of model trains on death row and last meal pecan pies saved for "later". I'm not the kind who squanders away her tears. However, our Western judicial system is not based on retribution. Since the Middle Ages, capital punishment has been understood as a means of collective self-defense, to make sure somebody who is considered so dangerous that this person can never be trusted about anybody else again will never pose a danger again. Aquinas compared executing criminals to amputating infected limbs. Remove something before it kills the rest. Kant held a similar opinion.
What a sad, sad, life. When the whole system is rigged against females and children* 😔
Edit to the men who don't get it... Her LIFE was sad, not her death. Pre-meditated murder isn't a feminist issue. It was sexist to ban hanging BECAUSE she was a woman. She could die like a man!
*her father and partners were never punished for their attacks on women because they were women.
don´t make me laugh. It might have been, 65 years ago, but the pendulum has swung in the other direction since.
Between 1900-1949 : Total of 629 men and 11 women executed in England & Wales…..but of course, it’s women most affected
@@Lenn869 u aren't reading my comment at face value
@@goatsawar02 yeah an England was so sexist that it was all the sudden said "fuck capital punishment" wrong when it happened to a woman.
“Fell pregnant.” That term is nicer than “knocked up.” Classic British class in everything from careful attention to details, immaculate dress, and engaging story telling . You are a treasure from across the pond.
Thanks!
Thank you, Rich! Much appreciated 🙏
Excellent again Sir. 👏
I think that with the abusive past from several men, and hard life, she should have gotten a life sentence, with a possibility of parole. You cannot outrun your past. It can have a traumatic effect on you and others if you cannot heal from it. RIP
Capital punishment is for those who find themselves in hell after death !