Fun fact the reason I added previous year rankings to this video was Game & Watch dude went from 19th in 2022 to Top 3 in 2023/2024, Miya quite litterally got this char from solid to insanely broken
Think part of it is also the amount of game and watch mains doing consistently good at the top level has improved It's gone from maister to Miya Maister to like Miya Maister and a bunch of threats lurking below (monte, ploopy, hell even raflows game and watch)
In like 2019/2020 everyone though GnW was a cheesy but bad character. Multiple people tried to convince Maister to switch mains lol since he used to be a low tier hero back in Smash 4
I disagree with Aegis being so high. Skill for skill ... it's very hard to name 3 players more skilled than MKLeo, Sparg0 and Shuton. And yet ... none of them can make her work as their solo main. Or even mostly main. Leo and Sparg0 use her only in some match ups. Shuton at best uses her 50% of the time ... at best. Usually he is more heavily using Olimar. If they can't make her work like a top 5/10 character ... I don't think anyone can.
Look at how many pro have her as a pocket character and have good results with her without being a character specialist... Snow, Sparg0, Acola, Kola, Naetoru...
@Hags_95 that's great but why that's maybe just that she stupid easy but not good enough to carry them thru a full bracket. A top 5-10 character should be solo viable with very few bad match ups. If they just using her as a pocket... then they feel their Cloud, Mario, Olimar, Joker are superior. Leo flat out has said Joker is without question better than Aegis.
I don't quite agree that you have to be aggressive with yoshi, yoshidora is the best yoshi and is also the most aggressive one yes, but there are many cases where this holds him back. Players like Ron on the other hand abuse yoshi's air speed and survivability. You should honestly never die before 140ish without your opponent doing something insanely right or you making an awful decision. Drift away aerials are hard or impossible to deal with for 90% of the cast and his on hit game being similar to steve (besides the nil stuff and tods) in dps when done correctly is also a huge boon. Passive yoshi play is incredibly hard to deal with.
I think he meant more his (dunno about the gender) really bad MUs like Palu, Samus, Cloud etc. You HAVE to approach all of them since they have good projectiles, antiairs, disjoints or resources they gain like Monado Arts or Limit. I don’t play Yoshi so I could be mistaken ofc but I don’t think he can play like that universally; and especially not his bad MUs
Puff in low tier, mewtwo is bottom 3, pit in lower mid tier, link in low tier, Luigi being top tier, Ryu being top tier, DK and Duck hunt being higher then jiggs, pit and link, it just mid
How can you watch shinymark farm multiple Steve and sonic players and rank pika that low. It seems like pika has most of the traits you value in the top ten characters
The names you have for the tiers are very weird. Having literal top 10ers in a tier called solo viable? is kind of insane. One of the greatest strengths of ult as a game is that over half the characters in the roster are solo viable. Sure, having a secondary is nice, but it really isn't required to get results with the majority of characters. Hell, we have a Banjo & Kazooie player in our top 30. (for reference Banjo is 57th on this tier list)
@Migota_ if you disagree, where are the aegis results. Has there been a solo aegis win ? Anywhere ? Shuton is clearly the best aegis and he co mains. solo roy has multiple Regardless they're both extremely good. I don't really care to split hairs
Id switch pythra and cloud but everything else i agree with. Im just going to explain why and you can feel free to correct me however you want. To start, i am MUCH more afraid of a cloud advantage state than I am a pythra one. More often than not, I find it a lot easier to get out of their shenanigans because it requires more reaction than cloud whos active, huge, and low startup frame hitboxes basically make advantage ridiculously easy. The same principle follows Rob, in my opinion, which allows both to do quite a lot in advantage (even without gyro, for rob. I think zomba has showcased this). Next up is neutral. If we were to HONESTLY remove foresight. Cloud doesnt just clear aegis, he fucking shitstomps them. Outside of nair on mid shields (for shield poking), what the hell can they really do on shield when the opponent decides to shield dash or use it? Not very much. Yeah some characters cant punish dtilt on shield but a majority can still get out of the way or punish her rather well all things considered as you go up the tier list. Given the fast pace of the game at times, it is a given that you shouldnt expect good spacing all the time from that move (especially given the initial dash of mythra, which i will touch on later). As such, not only is cloud safer than mythra, his active hitboxes make it easier for him to get out of disadvantage and help him have a much more "easy" advantage state. You can argue that mythra could just hold in the direction of the opposing player but you still need to react to their options. Clouds just frame traps for free, covers many options, and does what it needs to with little issue. Now for initial dash. While at first you'd think "wow, mythras initial dash is broken, you can get out of situations really easily!" Its important to remember how dangerous the corner is in this game. Given how far mythras initial dash goes, its pretty safe to assume youre going to end up in that situation quite often. The problem is, is that she has no real way of stopping this initial dash because her shield is simply put pretty bad all things considered. Yeah, she can spot dodge and try to foresight you but that needs the correct timing and spamming it is just an awful idea. You're just going to get punished. In fact, youre asking to get punished. Her fastest oos is frame 10, which is tied with Lucas, who is considered to have an awful shield game. Its in this vein that makes this initial dash much harder to control overall. Its also one of the reasons dash attack and larger stages are so good for her. Large stages give her the space to let that initial dash actually work, and dash attack actually lets her cover less space. There are many different interactions from her initial dash you may consider, but i think ive made my point. Its definitely andouble edged sword. Haha... Cuz they have two swords... *Ahem* This is by no means to say that pythra are bad, but just that I find cloud better between the two. She curbstomps most low tiers harder than cloud but imo i think cloud does better overall as you go up the tier list
You forgot to mention clouds abyssmal grab game, ehich isnt the biggest issue since he has insane shield pressure, but is still a big mixup that he lacks access to compared pyra/mythra.
@rookeyji5177 the problem with pythra is her initial dash makes her dash grab obnoxious to hit at times and cloud still has stuff out of dthrow at low %s and his throws still work for putting people offstage, where he excels at ledge trapping.
@@AWater22 people forget the difference between a player being cracked and a char being cracked reason Pika/Luigi we're not seeing any major results post 2021 until ShinyMark/Raru absolutely turned up
@@KryZenGraphics I really don’t understand people sometimes People rate characters very highly once very good players start doing well with them. Like Raru, like Sparg0 But there are some characters this doesn’t apply to Like Dabuz with Rosa, Shuton with Olimar, Mars’s with ZSS (this might be because of the propaganda though)
@@israel4786 i mean its less that, and moreso the best are chars who can maintain consistency even without the main rep, like Sparg0 had a rough 2nd half of 2024, there wasn't any Corrins picking up that slack Leo doesnt use Aegis, but shes still regularly seen across the board at a top lvl
I just realized that the “real people” in the Matrix are more likely real robots whereas real people had gone extinct millennia ago. It would explain why they can plug into the Matrix in the first place.
Fun fact the reason I added previous year rankings to this video was Game & Watch
dude went from 19th in 2022 to Top 3 in 2023/2024, Miya quite litterally got this char from solid to insanely broken
Think part of it is also the amount of game and watch mains doing consistently good at the top level has improved
It's gone from maister to Miya Maister to like Miya Maister and a bunch of threats lurking below (monte, ploopy, hell even raflows game and watch)
In like 2019/2020 everyone though GnW was a cheesy but bad character. Multiple people tried to convince Maister to switch mains lol since he used to be a low tier hero back in Smash 4
@@jinxeatsdustIt's gone from Miya Maister to Miya Maister lol
I disagree with Aegis being so high.
Skill for skill ... it's very hard to name 3 players more skilled than MKLeo, Sparg0 and Shuton.
And yet ... none of them can make her work as their solo main. Or even mostly main.
Leo and Sparg0 use her only in some match ups.
Shuton at best uses her 50% of the time ... at best. Usually he is more heavily using Olimar.
If they can't make her work like a top 5/10 character ... I don't think anyone can.
Look at how many pro have her as a pocket character and have good results with her without being a character specialist... Snow, Sparg0, Acola, Kola, Naetoru...
@Hags_95 that's great but why that's maybe just that she stupid easy but not good enough to carry them thru a full bracket.
A top 5-10 character should be solo viable with very few bad match ups.
If they just using her as a pocket... then they feel their Cloud, Mario, Olimar, Joker are superior.
Leo flat out has said Joker is without question better than Aegis.
def not as good as everyone says they are
@@LoadedKlipshuton and spargo play Olimar and Cloud out of passion. Spargo says aegis is better than cloud
Bro don't let results dictate everything dawg. Have you seen their stats, range, kill power, safety, frame data, foresight, etc.
I don't quite agree that you have to be aggressive with yoshi, yoshidora is the best yoshi and is also the most aggressive one yes, but there are many cases where this holds him back. Players like Ron on the other hand abuse yoshi's air speed and survivability. You should honestly never die before 140ish without your opponent doing something insanely right or you making an awful decision. Drift away aerials are hard or impossible to deal with for 90% of the cast and his on hit game being similar to steve (besides the nil stuff and tods) in dps when done correctly is also a huge boon. Passive yoshi play is incredibly hard to deal with.
I think he meant more his (dunno about the gender) really bad MUs like Palu, Samus, Cloud etc. You HAVE to approach all of them since they have good projectiles, antiairs, disjoints or resources they gain like Monado Arts or Limit. I don’t play Yoshi so I could be mistaken ofc but I don’t think he can play like that universally; and especially not his bad MUs
Hi, Dabuz, awesome video! This is a classic for the Dabuz compendium. Thanks, Dabuz.
Genius move by dabuz talking about the chars and not having a tier list open at any obvious points so we have to watch the whole video
Yknow what overall, W tier list. Some things I disagree with but its actually not that bad.
Puff in low tier, mewtwo is bottom 3, pit in lower mid tier, link in low tier, Luigi being top tier, Ryu being top tier, DK and Duck hunt being higher then jiggs, pit and link, it just mid
No-one gonna mention the effort Dabuz put into his nails 👀
How can you watch shinymark farm multiple Steve and sonic players and rank pika that low. It seems like pika has most of the traits you value in the top ten characters
I was just searching up tier lists when this uploaded
Its a good one; this is one of the most accurate representations of the 2024 meta
@@benross9174Cuál crees que es otra que este bien hecha? O que acierte harto
The names you have for the tiers are very weird. Having literal top 10ers in a tier called solo viable? is kind of insane.
One of the greatest strengths of ult as a game is that over half the characters in the roster are solo viable. Sure, having a secondary is nice, but it really isn't required to get results with the majority of characters. Hell, we have a Banjo & Kazooie player in our top 30. (for reference Banjo is 57th on this tier list)
Not putting Pac-Man nor Luigi in top 20 is nuts.
Luigi ? Get thrown offstage and you're dead
Min Min and Aegis are really amazing, but they hardest characters for being a solo main.
A weakness 4 palu is that shes tall ig.
and no good grounded moves in neutral
nice timing i was cutting my hair starting with the low tiers now i'm finishing with the high
Dabuz saying Olimar is a top 20 and a solid pick. Character arc for him fr
12:49
Why is he destroying everything like he lost.. he won 💀💀💀
piranha is so underrated bro
I think roy is better than aegis 90% of the time, but the absolute best aegis will still win
Roy is not better than aegis lil bro
@Migota_ i think the best aegis is better than the best roy. But I think piloting aegis to that level is harder than piloting roy to that level.
@Migota_ if you disagree, where are the aegis results. Has there been a solo aegis win ? Anywhere ? Shuton is clearly the best aegis and he co mains. solo roy has multiple
Regardless they're both extremely good. I don't really care to split hairs
@@brewslidepark solo aegis has won glitch. But yeah both chars are close in terms of how good they are. I put aegis 4th and roy 12th
Someone list the title of the tiers in this video please
I feel like this has been a 3 day long prank. XD
what the heck is that snake footage? :DD
Trainer is the most fun 😁
Poor snake didn’t get an intro or gameplay 😢
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High tier good but not good enough
I want samsora to come back.
rob hard loses to bayo
SMASHY BRO CONTENT, LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So half the cast is trash
No pika?
thought pika might be top 20 at minimum
Where’s Sephiroth?
Mid tier
Next to Bowser
Id switch pythra and cloud but everything else i agree with. Im just going to explain why and you can feel free to correct me however you want.
To start, i am MUCH more afraid of a cloud advantage state than I am a pythra one. More often than not, I find it a lot easier to get out of their shenanigans because it requires more reaction than cloud whos active, huge, and low startup frame hitboxes basically make advantage ridiculously easy. The same principle follows Rob, in my opinion, which allows both to do quite a lot in advantage (even without gyro, for rob. I think zomba has showcased this).
Next up is neutral. If we were to HONESTLY remove foresight. Cloud doesnt just clear aegis, he fucking shitstomps them. Outside of nair on mid shields (for shield poking), what the hell can they really do on shield when the opponent decides to shield dash or use it? Not very much. Yeah some characters cant punish dtilt on shield but a majority can still get out of the way or punish her rather well all things considered as you go up the tier list. Given the fast pace of the game at times, it is a given that you shouldnt expect good spacing all the time from that move (especially given the initial dash of mythra, which i will touch on later). As such, not only is cloud safer than mythra, his active hitboxes make it easier for him to get out of disadvantage and help him have a much more "easy" advantage state. You can argue that mythra could just hold in the direction of the opposing player but you still need to react to their options. Clouds just frame traps for free, covers many options, and does what it needs to with little issue.
Now for initial dash. While at first you'd think "wow, mythras initial dash is broken, you can get out of situations really easily!" Its important to remember how dangerous the corner is in this game. Given how far mythras initial dash goes, its pretty safe to assume youre going to end up in that situation quite often. The problem is, is that she has no real way of stopping this initial dash because her shield is simply put pretty bad all things considered. Yeah, she can spot dodge and try to foresight you but that needs the correct timing and spamming it is just an awful idea. You're just going to get punished. In fact, youre asking to get punished. Her fastest oos is frame 10, which is tied with Lucas, who is considered to have an awful shield game. Its in this vein that makes this initial dash much harder to control overall. Its also one of the reasons dash attack and larger stages are so good for her. Large stages give her the space to let that initial dash actually work, and dash attack actually lets her cover less space. There are many different interactions from her initial dash you may consider, but i think ive made my point. Its definitely andouble edged sword. Haha... Cuz they have two swords...
*Ahem*
This is by no means to say that pythra are bad, but just that I find cloud better between the two. She curbstomps most low tiers harder than cloud but imo i think cloud does better overall as you go up the tier list
sorry im not reading allat but cloud is NOT better than aegis 😂
@carlscabage look bro, even my friends say it. Surely it's true because my friends said it too
@@carlscabage Por qué crees que cloud no es mejor que aegis?
You forgot to mention clouds abyssmal grab game, ehich isnt the biggest issue since he has insane shield pressure, but is still a big mixup that he lacks access to compared pyra/mythra.
@rookeyji5177 the problem with pythra is her initial dash makes her dash grab obnoxious to hit at times and cloud still has stuff out of dthrow at low %s and his throws still work for putting people offstage, where he excels at ledge trapping.
Wait wtf where is pikachu? I like the rest of this list
he was put 25th in the previous vid
you were cooking til you said aegis was top 5.
I agree with pretty much everything else tho
Crazy you think pika is worse than yoshi lol
I mean
The official tier list does too so not really that crazy
@@AWater22 people forget the difference between a player being cracked and a char being cracked
reason Pika/Luigi we're not seeing any major results post 2021 until ShinyMark/Raru absolutely turned up
@@KryZenGraphics So basically tier lists don't matter
@@KryZenGraphics I really don’t understand people sometimes
People rate characters very highly once very good players start doing well with them. Like Raru, like Sparg0
But there are some characters this doesn’t apply to
Like Dabuz with Rosa, Shuton with Olimar, Mars’s with ZSS (this might be because of the propaganda though)
@@israel4786 i mean its less that, and moreso the best are chars who can maintain consistency even without the main rep, like Sparg0 had a rough 2nd half of 2024, there wasn't any Corrins picking up that slack
Leo doesnt use Aegis, but shes still regularly seen across the board at a top lvl
Diddy is way too high
cloud is way too high!
I was watching the other 2 parts and hoping hed upload the last part, wanted to hear his opinion on Min Min 🍜
Dabuz starting to upload Smash content again just as I also restarted to upload 😮
Nah i'm absolute dogshit at this game and aegis feels like i paid extra money to play that character... Oh wait
I just realized that the “real people” in the Matrix are more likely real robots whereas real people had gone extinct millennia ago. It would explain why they can plug into the Matrix in the first place.
Im kinda sad that the game changed from feeling like it was so big to anything is possible to "6 characters are unstoppable monsters"
HE PUT KAZUYA IN TOP 7 LETS GOOOO
tired of people downplaying him
I think top 7 is too high, but after seeing ESAM put Kazuya below top 20, behind Luigi of all characters...it's a relief.
Tired of people overrating him
@@legrandliseurtri7495Luigi is literally a better more kaz kaz tho 🙄…kaz is just too gimmicky and serves better as a counterpick character