@@Animatix19 I'm glad you enjoyed it! Mindgames are an extremely important aspect of gameplay, but it's really hard to convey or explain without deep knowledge of the game. I hope I was able to clear that up a bit!
A clean table of contents (I really like the overview of what the video will discuss at the beginning), an extremely thorough explanation of frame data (very good refresher and I forget half the time anyway), a nice flow from defining the mechanics of the move to clear examples of how it's utilized in brakcet, and it ends with one heckuva banger. A must watch for anyone interested in competitive Ultimate!
One if my lersonal favorite mindgames is approaching with my back turned to make them think I'll bair their shield, but instead I empty land cross-slash. Since they only expect the single hit, they usually drop shield and I usually get more off of cross-slash than grab.
Nice breakdown! But didja have to show us barefoot Falco?? Slight correction at 6:45 If Cloud's ftilt was actually -16, DK's frame 5 jab after shield drop should actually be a true punish on the very last frame of ftilt's endlag. But it obviously wasn't a true punish here, and that's because (as you said later) ult frame data isn't always super accurate with the shield safety figures. Here, UFD didn't seem to account for freshness, which affects shield stun. Cloud ftilt does 11.0% base damage, but this increases to 11.55% when not stale. This is just enough to increase its shieldstun by 1 frame. So it is actually -15 when fresh. Also, likely unrelated, one also needs to account for an attack not hitting its full range immediately. For example, Lucina's fsmash is frame 10, but doesn't actually extend in front of her until frame 11. Samus Fsmash is also frame 10, but immediately hits its full range, making it at least 1 frame faster at punishing an enemy in front.
Thank you so much for the correction! I had a feeling I was missing a detail or two, dang. I appreciate you taking the time to write this. I'll make sure to note it for future projects!
Great video overall. Only thing I would add (and you did mention it in more nuanced scenarios which is awesome) is how much danger the opponent is in if bair DOES land. Since bair is basically an incontestable no fly zone brick of a hit box, yes people generally don’t wanna sit in shield and just stay at cloud’s mercy, so at some point they HAVE to fight back and if you land bair it sets up for so many dangerous situations for the opponent. True combos at low %, tech chases (which can straight up kill if you have limit) at mid %, but most importantly I think is that you have to land now. If you get hit with a bair at mid-high% if it doesn’t outright kill you now you either have to deal with a tech, try to go above cloud which he can call out as spargo did in some of the clips you showed which is insta ggs on a lot of the cast or put yourself in position to get up air juggled which is also not fun (another no fly zone ahh hit box), try to land in front of him (death sentence), or just go to ledge in which case he’s free to push advantage and worst case get a free ledge trap which is an amazing situation for cloud. Basically what I’m getting at is you land bair on an opponent and you pretty much always have an rps scenario that favors cloud to the point of if he’s right you eat tons of damage or just lose the stock and if he’s wrong then 🤷🏾♂️ as long as you don’t get reversaled just do it again or go back to neutral lol. Good stuff tho bro 👍🏽
This is the best Smash explanation video I've ever seen. I was NOT expecting something like this from a small channel - you have something special brother! This video concretely explains the competitive concept of frame data better than anything else in existence. This 15 minute video would have saved me 3 years.
Great video! I don't really play fighting games, but have been watching them on youtube a lot lately. I've always been a bit hazy on what exactly plus frames were and how they applied to blocking, move choice, and mind games, but now I feel like I finally have a clear(er) idea of how they work! Also the way you structured the video was perfect; introducing the character/move/player at the start and then breaking it down at every step. I think a lot of people make videos like this, and know what they're talking about, but don't put as much thought into how they organize and present the information, so it ends up being less informative compared to this one. And then the counter play match for the end! Awesome job!
@@stephen7971 Thank you so much for the feedback! I'm glad you enjoyed it and were able to learn from it, I try to convey information as throughoutly as I can since a lot of youtubers assume you already know (for the most part) what they're talking about, but many casual and semi-casual viewers don't. I'm glad you liked it!
This video is honestly amazing despite how small your channel is. Really great and simple explanation with amazing graphics and visuals. I'm honestly obsessed with Cloud and Spargo and can't wait to see how Spargo will prepare to counteract Acola's Aegis seeing Acolas adaptment.
I'm not the biggest spargo fan and I was literally just about to click off this video but then you started playing the compilation with all caps as background music and I INSTANTLY subscribed
Even though im a cloud main and i know i am biased, I personally think bair is good, but its not the reason why hes good, The combination of bair, fair, up b, and his mobility is what makes him such a great character. Honestly if bair wasnt as good as it is, people would just complain about fair, cus it is very similar to bair, Very safe, long range and combo potential. Great video❤
Fair absolutely NOT similar. You can kinda use it like bair, but the much higher startup and higher hitbox positioning means that it's much easier to be react to than bair and makes it much worse as a move when you try to punish things on reaction
Some constructive criticism. Breaking down the clips in the "how cloud uses bair" segment would be great. Even something as simple as "Cover the jump from G&W, setting up into the dair on a greedy recovery" would be a lot more helpful to players. Or in the clip with fox, how he frametraps fox into getting hit by cross slash. Stuff like positioning actually being talked about instead of "here's some clips that all end in a spike" I think this might tell a new player that the spike and timing of that is what makes spargo good, and not the coverage of bair and movement therein.
I see, thanks for the feedback! I really appreciate how you structured your criticisms. I'll take note of em for future projects. Thank you for taking the time to write this!
Just now realizing Falco was not wearing boots bro 😱 I was wondering what was wrong something seemed off but I couldn't put my finger on it 😅 I digress, great video dude. I will be subscribing. 😗👌
AMAZING video. Even as a cloud player I learned a lot more about how I can condition. But one piece of advice: please try not to have sudden increases in volume for sound effects. Keeping around the same volume of effects throughout the video is important for rewatchability and viewer retention
Why thank you!!! I'm glad you were able to get a different perspective on Cloud bair! And sorry about the inconsistent volume, I'll make sure to keep that in mind for my next upload. I appreciate your feedback!
Same but honestly, I fucking love watching spargo play. I'm fine with someone using a carried character if they're actually gonna carry the character instead lol. He plays with aura imo, it's fun to watch, and it's not stall based gameplay like Steve/sonic.
Good video, earned a subscriber. Clean explanations, you've taught me some new things on a topic I thought i was already comfortable with. And i like how everythtwas outlined and structured. One thing I'd say as criticism is maybe lower the voice effects- disclaimer: its partially because I find pythras voice jarring, but the louder voices at the end were a little detracting from the gameplay I was watching. I think you were trying to highlight foresight usage, but a tally or count would have been preferable imo, and given real quantification. But on the other hand, it did express the point. Maybe I just find mythras voice annoying lol. My only other critique is that now Im gonna have to watch all your other videos! I was planning on going to sleep 😂
It's not the same thing, because Foresight is attached to Mythra's dodge, Witch Time it a counter that locks Bayo in place for a long time and thus is much easier to punish when baited. Bayo only gets Bat Within on a dodge, which is faster than foresight (frame 1 instead of 2) but only gives her reduced damage and no punish out of it
I actually hadn't realized that, they were turned off by default. Thanks for letting me know! Sorry about that, just made them visible. Should be updated in a few minutes.
It's not even close LMAO -> slower -> less damage -> absolutely 0 true combos -> technically unsafe-er on shield (the pushback makes it harder to punish but it also means a parry makes it punishable, while parrying Cloud's bair often means that a lot of character still can't get a proper punish out of it) -> worse autocancel window (cloud's autocancels in a short hop, Corrin's in a full hop)
@andreazhab well firstly it only does one percent less damage, only two frame slower but it last longer, that push back also gives it added utility to recovery (which is an area cloud struggles in), and while it doesn’t start true combos it is a good combo ender with multiple ways to set up into those combos, and it also kill’s earlier.
@@kelyansabz8865 cloud bair spam only exists because cloud doesn’t have any other move that can be used to the same effect. Dair and up air are too unsafe on shield while fair is safe it can be swatted out. Cloud bair is really his best move to pressure shield. Meanwhile corrin has other moves such as fair and up air to pressure shields.
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"Shieldgrabbing cloud bair is like reaching for a cops gun" 😭😭
This is the most insight I've ever gotten to understanding the mindgames you can play with your opponent.
@@Animatix19 I'm glad you enjoyed it! Mindgames are an extremely important aspect of gameplay, but it's really hard to convey or explain without deep knowledge of the game. I hope I was able to clear that up a bit!
A clean table of contents (I really like the overview of what the video will discuss at the beginning), an extremely thorough explanation of frame data (very good refresher and I forget half the time anyway), a nice flow from defining the mechanics of the move to clear examples of how it's utilized in brakcet, and it ends with one heckuva banger. A must watch for anyone interested in competitive Ultimate!
Why, thank you so much! I really appreciate it ❤️
The visuals and in depth breakdown is really helpful and entertaining
Might share this
okay why do you only have 500 subscribers?? you always make banger videos
One if my lersonal favorite mindgames is approaching with my back turned to make them think I'll bair their shield, but instead I empty land cross-slash. Since they only expect the single hit, they usually drop shield and I usually get more off of cross-slash than grab.
insanely well made video, that covers a lot of things about frame data I never knew. Great stuff
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nice breakdown! But didja have to show us barefoot Falco??
Slight correction at 6:45
If Cloud's ftilt was actually -16, DK's frame 5 jab after shield drop should actually be a true punish on the very last frame of ftilt's endlag.
But it obviously wasn't a true punish here, and that's because (as you said later) ult frame data isn't always super accurate with the shield safety figures. Here, UFD didn't seem to account for freshness, which affects shield stun.
Cloud ftilt does 11.0% base damage, but this increases to 11.55% when not stale. This is just enough to increase its shieldstun by 1 frame. So it is actually -15 when fresh.
Also, likely unrelated, one also needs to account for an attack not hitting its full range immediately. For example, Lucina's fsmash is frame 10, but doesn't actually extend in front of her until frame 11. Samus Fsmash is also frame 10, but immediately hits its full range, making it at least 1 frame faster at punishing an enemy in front.
Thank you so much for the correction! I had a feeling I was missing a detail or two, dang. I appreciate you taking the time to write this. I'll make sure to note it for future projects!
Great video overall. Only thing I would add (and you did mention it in more nuanced scenarios which is awesome) is how much danger the opponent is in if bair DOES land. Since bair is basically an incontestable no fly zone brick of a hit box, yes people generally don’t wanna sit in shield and just stay at cloud’s mercy, so at some point they HAVE to fight back and if you land bair it sets up for so many dangerous situations for the opponent. True combos at low %, tech chases (which can straight up kill if you have limit) at mid %, but most importantly I think is that you have to land now.
If you get hit with a bair at mid-high% if it doesn’t outright kill you now you either have to deal with a tech, try to go above cloud which he can call out as spargo did in some of the clips you showed which is insta ggs on a lot of the cast or put yourself in position to get up air juggled which is also not fun (another no fly zone ahh hit box), try to land in front of him (death sentence), or just go to ledge in which case he’s free to push advantage and worst case get a free ledge trap which is an amazing situation for cloud. Basically what I’m getting at is you land bair on an opponent and you pretty much always have an rps scenario that favors cloud to the point of if he’s right you eat tons of damage or just lose the stock and if he’s wrong then 🤷🏾♂️ as long as you don’t get reversaled just do it again or go back to neutral lol. Good stuff tho bro 👍🏽
This is the best Smash explanation video I've ever seen. I was NOT expecting something like this from a small channel - you have something special brother!
This video concretely explains the competitive concept of frame data better than anything else in existence. This 15 minute video would have saved me 3 years.
@@iarejohnsmith I'm really really glad you liked it! Thank you so much!
Great video! I don't really play fighting games, but have been watching them on youtube a lot lately. I've always been a bit hazy on what exactly plus frames were and how they applied to blocking, move choice, and mind games, but now I feel like I finally have a clear(er) idea of how they work!
Also the way you structured the video was perfect; introducing the character/move/player at the start and then breaking it down at every step. I think a lot of people make videos like this, and know what they're talking about, but don't put as much thought into how they organize and present the information, so it ends up being less informative compared to this one. And then the counter play match for the end! Awesome job!
@@stephen7971 Thank you so much for the feedback! I'm glad you enjoyed it and were able to learn from it, I try to convey information as throughoutly as I can since a lot of youtubers assume you already know (for the most part) what they're talking about, but many casual and semi-casual viewers don't. I'm glad you liked it!
having quality visuals and perfectly relevant clips
on top of robust content that is more than basic
amazing
One of the few most informative competitive smash videos I’ve ever seen mate and I’ve been playing since Brawl. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed!
7:40 straight up a Street Fighter safe jump
Such a good vid. Taught me and explained a lot about even general smash mechanics, and was super engaging - subbed!
Thanks for the very thoughtful video edits
the bootless falco is so cursed
Yes, i am a ff7 og fan, yes, hearing ff8's soundtrack in the intro to cloud's moveset was jarring and a tiny bit upsetting.
(like painting Zack's hair yellow or Cloud's hair black.)
Wel, TMWTMG is abanger so it's forgivable.
@@TheXell true true.
dude the ending 🔥🔥🔥
I'm very glad that RUclips recognized that they should recommend this great small video/channel I wish you the best and I loved the video!
Thank you so much! I wish you the best as well!
0:19 Ay That's Me! Did not expect myself to make an appearance Lol!
This video is honestly amazing despite how small your channel is. Really great and simple explanation with amazing graphics and visuals. I'm honestly obsessed with Cloud and Spargo and can't wait to see how Spargo will prepare to counteract Acola's Aegis seeing Acolas adaptment.
I'm not the biggest spargo fan and I was literally just about to click off this video but then you started playing the compilation with all caps as background music and I INSTANTLY subscribed
Even though im a cloud main and i know i am biased,
I personally think bair is good, but its not the reason why hes good,
The combination of bair, fair, up b, and his mobility is what makes him such a great character.
Honestly if bair wasnt as good as it is, people would just complain about fair, cus it is very similar to bair,
Very safe, long range and combo potential.
Great video❤
Fair absolutely NOT similar. You can kinda use it like bair, but the much higher startup and higher hitbox positioning means that it's much easier to be react to than bair and makes it much worse as a move when you try to punish things on reaction
Some constructive criticism.
Breaking down the clips in the "how cloud uses bair" segment would be great.
Even something as simple as "Cover the jump from G&W, setting up into the dair on a greedy recovery" would be a lot more helpful to players.
Or in the clip with fox, how he frametraps fox into getting hit by cross slash. Stuff like positioning actually being talked about instead of "here's some clips that all end in a spike" I think this might tell a new player that the spike and timing of that is what makes spargo good, and not the coverage of bair and movement therein.
I see, thanks for the feedback!
I really appreciate how you structured your criticisms. I'll take note of em for future projects. Thank you for taking the time to write this!
Arcane is actually a real word 🤯
Just now realizing Falco was not wearing boots bro 😱
I was wondering what was wrong something seemed off but I couldn't put my finger on it 😅
I digress, great video dude. I will be subscribing. 😗👌
12:12
so, a bair is not the only good option, it also opens a mind-game to play with tomahawk too, uh?
I expected at least 1k subs. This is great quality, keep it up!
my mains now are cloud and mii brawler. I really enjoy the advantage state of both characters
Great vid!
great vid!!! theres not much cloud videos!!
Great video bro 😎
Good vid!
This video gives me big shounic vibes, especially with that one song that's playing at 11:40
I was inspired by his explanation style and I used a decent chunk of the music he uses, which is made by Banana Slug. You have a very good ear!
Acola's binding vow beat Spargo, but had to give up the #1 rank to do so
Amazing quality video
My goat
Amazing.
Oh yeah, it was teasing at the end, wasnt it??
I want a video on Acola's aegis !!..
Also, wouldnt spot dodge or roll be an easier timing than Parry?
hands off my what??
🗣️ GET OUT ❗‼️🗣️
Kah! I know what you heard though. I'm a Falco main.
AMAZING video. Even as a cloud player I learned a lot more about how I can condition. But one piece of advice: please try not to have sudden increases in volume for sound effects. Keeping around the same volume of effects throughout the video is important for rewatchability and viewer retention
Why thank you!!! I'm glad you were able to get a different perspective on Cloud bair!
And sorry about the inconsistent volume, I'll make sure to keep that in mind for my next upload. I appreciate your feedback!
WHAT IS THAT FALCO MOD, I'M DYING 😭😭😭😭
Really cool and helpful video! I learned a 💩ton in 16 min
Glad it helped!
This is a fantastic video!
Great vid bro keep it up
Amazing video!
this video tuff lwk and i aint even fw ult
Well I'm glad you were able to enjoy it regardless!
Fire video. Keep it up!
I hate cloud.
We all do
Same but honestly, I fucking love watching spargo play. I'm fine with someone using a carried character if they're actually gonna carry the character instead lol. He plays with aura imo, it's fun to watch, and it's not stall based gameplay like Steve/sonic.
Me during the whole video
.-.
Is this supposed to be constructive criticism
why, after the countless hours i have put into this game, did i never know that shorthop aerials deal less damage???? why did nobody tell me
great vid
I love typing comments
I like whiff punishing cloud bair im like a little mouse taking cheese from a mouse trap
(I dont play the rats)
Good video, earned a subscriber. Clean explanations, you've taught me some new things on a topic I thought i was already comfortable with. And i like how everythtwas outlined and structured.
One thing I'd say as criticism is maybe lower the voice effects- disclaimer: its partially because I find pythras voice jarring, but the louder voices at the end were a little detracting from the gameplay I was watching. I think you were trying to highlight foresight usage, but a tally or count would have been preferable imo, and given real quantification. But on the other hand, it did express the point. Maybe I just find mythras voice annoying lol. My only other critique is that now Im gonna have to watch all your other videos! I was planning on going to sleep 😂
spargo is my goat
Back air
16 min life time saved
6:03 someone please clip this
I got you: ruclips.net/user/clipUgkxTjzYa19ryGowCoqE4cXh-GtFshg4WeBd?si=JeUbtdnzALGhugXc
@future34andpast thx bro
cool video
Anyone know what mod that shield with lighting is?
If mythra's foresight is a good counterplay, what about bayo'd witch time ? Does she win the matchup ?
It's not the same thing, because Foresight is attached to Mythra's dodge, Witch Time it a counter that locks Bayo in place for a long time and thus is much easier to punish when baited. Bayo only gets Bat Within on a dodge, which is faster than foresight (frame 1 instead of 2) but only gives her reduced damage and no punish out of it
@andreazhab oh i mixed up bat within and witch time lol thx for the intel 👍
DK back air is better though lowkey
Combo tool and much more spammable
As Ike I just Up B lol
Back air and forward air. Gotten so used to this jank I actually parry it on reaction.
👍
Sure...THIS unique move is what makes him good...not up smash or up air or dair or cross slash or fair or limit or up B...
Those are all broken moves but are still more situational than Cloud's bair
What is the mod for the hitbox visualization? Seems way better than ultimate training mod pack
Blujay's hitbox visualizer. Should be the first result of you look up github blujay hitbox visualizer
@SmaxSSB thanks!
Why do you have your dislikes turned off for most of your videos?
I actually hadn't realized that, they were turned off by default. Thanks for letting me know! Sorry about that, just made them visible. Should be updated in a few minutes.
RUclips has long since removed the ability to leave dislikes
あcola the Goat lmao
Moves*
His whole kit is disgustingly good
Hot take: Corrin bair is just as good if not better than cloud bair.
It's not even close LMAO
-> slower
-> less damage
-> absolutely 0 true combos
-> technically unsafe-er on shield (the pushback makes it harder to punish but it also means a parry makes it punishable, while parrying Cloud's bair often means that a lot of character still can't get a proper punish out of it)
-> worse autocancel window (cloud's autocancels in a short hop, Corrin's in a full hop)
Why do you guys like Corrin so much man
@andreazhab well firstly it only does one percent less damage, only two frame slower but it last longer, that push back also gives it added utility to recovery (which is an area cloud struggles in), and while it doesn’t start true combos it is a good combo ender with multiple ways to set up into those combos, and it also kill’s earlier.
Watch SpagO and Shadic play and you'll realize you're wrong
@@kelyansabz8865 cloud bair spam only exists because cloud doesn’t have any other move that can be used to the same effect. Dair and up air are too unsafe on shield while fair is safe it can be swatted out. Cloud bair is really his best move to pressure shield. Meanwhile corrin has other moves such as fair and up air to pressure shields.
Good thing my character easily beats cloud bair as a ledge trap
sony is worse.
Legit didn’t know much about the difference of sh fh thank you🫡