dumb comedies are fine, turning serious IPs into dumb comedies that disrespect their source material is not fine. Why can't they just leave IPs alone and make original stuff?
It's cheaper and easier, they don't have to make an effort. The characters are already made and the fanbase is already there, they care about easy money not respect
Because they feel like destroying good is better than creating something unique they can capitalize on because you can't make 4 characters that exist without character degration of some kind
Avatar was on Nickelodeon and didn't water or baby anything down and it still stands as one of the greatest cartoons ever. Dont ever for get that when they try to sell you this crap.
‡ Gothic Croc ‡ Korra was ok. Not as good as the original and had some sjw spice (especially in the ending) but was generally ok. there was some chibi avatar things which could be considered dumb down version, but it was on top of the rest, not trying to take it’s place in anyway.
It's also worth noting that the first 2 episodes of The Last Airbender were on the childish end of the spectrum, as (according to the show-runners) they weren't sure what they could get away with or how much support they'd get from the network. They got past this quickly of course, but I slept on that show for almost a decade precisely because those episodes sold the show as something it wound up not being.
Hollywood: How do we stop piracy? I know! Let's put pad 'anti-piracy PSAs at the start of DVDs, and treat out customers like criminals even thought they already payed money for the DVDs they bought legally.
Infinity train, over the garden wall, Mao Mao, amphibia, owl house, tangled the series, there's quite a lot of cool shit out there but none of y'all watch them Edit: carmen sandeigo, 12 forever, Love death and robots, and castelvania - recently watched castlevania and im in love.
Gumball has humor in it that grown audiences can enjoy while younger ones laugh at the hysteria. They had a whole bit on virtue signaling. No baby is gonna know what that is.
I kind of feel like she hasn't actually seen Gumball, or just seen the first season, which admittedly had less of that humor than it had later on. I may be wrong, but it almost felt she was almost pining the blame on Gumball before falling back on TTG.
Gumball is a beautiful blend of Zoomer and Millenial energy/comedy. It has jokes layered on jokes with gags every minute and tons of satire. Like a modern day Simpsons/South Park for kids.
Transformers War for Cybertron is coming to Netflix. Beast War, Animated, Prime. Transformers comes and goes, as long as there are toys to sell Hasbro will keep it around.
Man i remember when i was a kid, i really liked animation. I recall my parents saying to me to not rent Spirited Away again because i did it so many times. Oliver & Company (My Aunt bought me the VHS because of my name xD), The Iron Giant, All Dogs go to Heaven... Those were films, however id watch em' religiously. They were NO WHERE dumb at all. The same with the TV animations like The Country Mouse and the City Mouse Adventures, Tin Tin, Little Bear's Adventures, the original Thundercats (even though now it is not THAT good), Mighty Thor (that pretty old one), fucking CyberChase which would teach you MATH of all the things which was simply amazing, and a lot more that dont come to mind the names right now. All of them beautifully animated, with humor, talking about family, new things to learn, meaningful adventures.... Even Saint Seiya, which is full of violence for a kid, id consume it like no other after school. When i see shit like this i cant believe how backwards we´ve come. What a mess...
Betting all the chips only on kids market today is dumb. Just silly "boomer" decision who actually don't get what children really want. Animation is not inherently infantile. Just another way to tell a story. There is demand and adult fans have money to buy additional merchandise.
Yeah, but who are the Corporate Overlords that green light those series by idiots? Boomers nearly 100% of the time (would have written out the full percentage, but I didn't want to be here until the heat death of the universe).
Crazy how far cartoons downgraded in terms of maturity and themes. Reminds me of the OKKO episode that was a metaphor for gun control but of course they couldn’t use actual guns, even though Static Shock sort of did the same thing and used an actual gun.
Modern American networks and studios have no backbone these days. Can't even show a realistic-ish gun in a youth's cartoon anymore. Same with smoking (ie. A villain smoking used to be the staple back then. You just KNEW, that the villain usually smokes.)
Like the controversial 14th episode of Gargoyles, it delved into gun safety here ruclips.net/video/d3b0vmK-ziY/видео.html and here ruclips.net/video/Ax-uxE7s2wQ/видео.html
Heck that same episode of Static Shock even showed how bullied kids can be pushed to doing school shootings so they episode didn't just do "guns are bad" but also explain how we mistreat people can lead to the uses of guns like that and we need to be better to each other so people don't feel pushed into wanting to harm others.
Early sponge bob is a lot like early simpsons it develops a child’s sense of comedy. They’ve got very well written jokes and have great comedic timing. My issue with the newer wave of comedy cartoons is that they rely on very meme-esque humor or that very awkward talky tumblr humor (think Michael Cera) which is fine in moderation but I feel like that style of comedy is pretty over abundant right now. P.s Not to say there aren’t funny kids shows out right now that are exceptions just highlighting my problem with thundercats roar
Remember Sym-Bionic Titan? TMNT (2015)? Young Justice? Green Lantern: TNAS? Samurai Jack? The ZETA Project? Batman: The Brave and the Bold? Spectacular Spider-Man? Good times...
@@GamerBoy870 A direct Spin-off Series from Batman Beyond (add that to the list) about a Terminator Synthoid that learns empathy with a Human friend, all while dodging a Govt Agent Bennett and the rest of the military who believe he is still following his assassination protocol AND seeking out the shocking truth about his origins and his Creator. It has a cool futuristic world setting that was really well built I'm trying not to spoil anything but I highly recommend you check it out. It went on for 2 Seasons and ended somewhat open ended not counting the hinted revelation about Dr. Zelig at the final scene.
Cartoons are important, they not only introduce people to story telling and can give important morale lessons also. They can also transport you into a new fantasy land and should inspire your own imagination. New cartoons are nothing more than propaganda disguised as a cartoons the sole intent is to make a new generation of justice warriors and emasculate any strong male characters.
They also teach kids solid life skills and what the real world can be like in the lens of a different world. As well as supply entertainment and tell stories that can make you feel something
CN has a history of killing off good shows for reasons outside of viewership. Anyone else remember Sym-Bionic Titan? (also I watched thundercats 2011 was pretty good)
Thugnificent, I remember both Sym-Bionic Titan and 2011 Thundercats series, and it’s ashame that Cartoon Network cancelled both extremely great series.
"Your show is terrible and looks terrible." "No, no. We totally made it that way on purpose because of piracy. That's not an excuse we're just using so we don't have to take responsibility for it."
We're just entering a 2nd dark age for animation and children's programming. The last one lasted from the mid 1950s to late 1980s when cartoon quality began to hit the down low as studios like Hanna-Barbera and Filmation adopted a quantity over quality method and certain studios began to outsource to Asian animators to animate American cartoons, while some just licensed anime and rewrote certain aspects to suit an American audience. The upcoming dark is one the where everything is a reboot based on a preexisting intellectual property from a nostalgic period and make it a spoof examples: Teen Titans Go!, Ben 10 (2016), PowerPuff Girls (2016), and Thundercats Roar! Another contributing factor is the lack of diverse animation style as almost every cartoon has adopted the cal arts animation style. Also the popularity and abundance of Anime in the west can be considered a contributing factor. Feel free to add to this comment or correct me if I'm wrong. Also dannphan is really cute; had to.
This is 100% wrong. You can't use a few dumb CN reboots, out of all the good cartoons nowadays, and use that to say, "We're entering another dark age". It's selective cherry picking.
@@justinstewart9291 Thanks for the comment. Selective cherry picking you say looking back at the comment guess I was; my apologies. However can we agree that almost every cartoon has adopted the cal arts animation style besides the crappy cartoons listed here even good shows like Gravity Falls, Steven Universe, The Amazing World Of Gumball, the latest Duck Tales incarnation, and We Bare Bears.
@@Veritech2011 Hard disagree on Gumball, since outside of Gumball the character, there are many unique visual styles. Even Ducktales looks significantly different and has its own art style, and good writing to boot.
@@justinstewart9291 Well for me they all look the same but each to there own opinion. About the writing to the shows well I haven't caught much of DuckTales but with Gumball it has alot of surreal moments which adds charm. However there is one episode that always made me question some of the logic of the show. It had to do with a potato being sentient, with the potato being sentient is he aware that one day he'll be turned into sustenance one day? And in that same episode he ate some fries so does that make him a cannibal? Also thanks for the reply.
Management takes a lot of the blame. Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes had two seasons taking from the comics and building up great "to be continued" storylines right up to the last episodes. Cancelled. Why? The Avengers movie was very popular and attracted a lot of kids. So Disney decided everything had to start from "Go" and feature characters as per the movie. The storylines became weak and the dialogue was so horribly bad! Disney didn't care because they knew they could sell merchandise (comic related rather than the TV animated series related). It is the fast buck and though piracy plays its part -far far more with comics-- but most execs have their idea that kids will buy more and anyone over a certain age is not in the right profile group. Money is the key -and, no, they DO NOT like to spend money so cash grab it is!
@@dc7981 An awesome idea with shit execution. Things don't even happen on a realistic timescale characters don't even react like normal people. The dude is immune to basically all the diseases and no one gets sick from them diseases he has. Isekai was just some pandering to weak, insecure scrawny losers with no idea of what a relatable character. I've read and watched hentai with better worldbuilding, characters, and development.
As much as I loved Adventure Time, Pendleton Ward poisoned the well at Cartoon Network, and here's how I think he did it. Pen was very adamant in his later seasons about letting his story board artists, who he was close friends with, write and direct their own episodes. These were mostly tumblr/social media artists, who's only experience were their personal social media output, and story board work for one or two shows. Him convincing the network to take that chance really opened the flood gates for the higher ups to start fishing for talent from the much broader waters of skilled but professionally untested social media artists. Shows made in the wake of Adventure Time seem to be chasing this really twee, high energy, and weirdly infantile aesthetic inherit to the artistic refugees of tumblr's porn purge, I imagine they are a lot cheaper to hire also. Teen Titans Go, Clarence, Gumball, Steven Universe, Regular Show. To me this was the era of shows with independent social media artist sensibilities. You can see a parallel trend with Adult Swim programming as well, just replace Pendleton Ward with Tim and Eric. In the wake of those two huge talents who really shaped the directions of their network with their success, the void of originality they left behind is palpable. Cartoon Network became more childish. Adult Swim really lost that hard comedic edge they used to have in favor of the goofball, almost primordial awkwardness of the Tim & Eric era. The success of Adventure time at Cartoon Network and when Adult Swim cancelled Million Dollar Extreme, were the tragic pivotal swan songs of quality for the Network. Tha'ts how it seems to me anyway, there's a huge possibility I have no idea what I'm talking about. I agree with this video, where has the maturity gone?
i mentioned this in a comment earlier, but Gumball is if anything a satire of the very thing that you're critiquing. They have references to Frank Miller, to Bushido, to the insufferability of SJWs, etc.
While i agree with most of what you said, in my opinion, Regular show should not be put in the same bubble as Clarence and TT Go! The humor was more crass than Gumball and the show relied more on its weird factor, but did have mature moments
Good video. The 2010s actually started off very strong with action cartoons and more mature looking shows, but for the reasons mentioned in the video they practically disappeared from the traditional animated TV networks for the rest of the decade. The Legend of Korra is basically one of the last animated shows that were aimed at a more mature audience on a traditional kids TV network like Nickelodeon, but we all know how badly Nick treated that show by making it online only streaming near the end of its run. That said, I don't think that the release of more mature shows are slowing down anymore. My reason? Netflix. In the last few years Netflix has produced/released some very high quality animated programming that fill similar niches to shows of yesteryear and arguably even expanded beyond the restrictions of traditional cable TV. A show like Castlevania would have never been made on Nickelodeon, Disney Channel, or Cartoon Network. We also got a successful revival of Young Justice on Netflix and because of it being on Netflix it has been able to grow up with its original audience and go to places that even the original few seasons weren't allowed to show. There is a lot more freedom to explore and find more mature animated shows and films as well which are suitable for both kids and adults on Netflix. I.e. Klaus and Green Eggs and Ham, which both are excellent. A big problem with shows like Thundercats 2011 is that they came out years too early in a time period where the future of traditional TV networks was a big uncertainty because of the ever looming presence of the internet. Not really because of piracy (Although it did play a small part in it.), but because of brand new competition like RUclips. RUclips to me is the biggest contributor to Nickelodeon, Disney Channel, and Cartoon Network getting into their current situation, since kids were busy watching let's plays of PewDiePie rather than tune in to these shows. Especially since there was no easy way to access these shows online through legal streaming. Meanwhile most kids grew up glued to their phones, something which RUclips had ensured was easily accessible from practically day one when the first iPhone came out. Most of the 2010s have been just adapting to this brand new world of entertainment with constant internet access and because of that, Thundercats 2011 sadly had to suffer that awkward transition. However as previously mentioned, more streaming services are popping up, and Netflix who has been leading the charge last decade have managed to revive interest in mature animation overall. Heck, we're soon getting a continuation of the original He-Man on Netflix which apparently will be more mature than its original incarnation. Nickelodeon has also partnered up with Netflix on multiple occassions as of late and are planning on continuing said relationship going forward, which is really saying a lot about the state of animation today.
"The Legend of Korra is basically one of the last animated shows that were aimed at a more mature audience on a traditional kids TV network like Nickelodeon". You're forgetting about Over the Garden Wall and Infinity Train
Anime production is incredibly unpredictable. Literally, a show can run for one or two seasons, disappear for ten years, and then get a third, fourth and fifth season, and the creators will be like: “Hey, remember the show you loved ten+ years ago, but ended on a cliffhanger?” “While now it’s back, and right where we left off” “Enjoy”. I’m looking at you, Saint Seiya.
The old stories were more mature because they were based on parables from the bible and Aesop's fables etc. They had teaching lessons that were inherent but not in your face. If someone betrayed a friend in a fit of spite you could see how that affected people from different characters perspectives. If they helped each other using different skills to advance a goal you could see that in action. Great visual story telling can achieve better results than reading a book to young minds that can't relate to experiences they haven't had yet.
At the time of the 80s and early 90s, tv censors required shows like He-Man, She-Ra and G. I. Joe to teach moral lessons and they couldn't use their weapons in certain ways. He-Man was never allowed to use his sword as an actual weapon, hence why all the scenes are of him bouncing lasers and magical energies off the sword or he swings it at the camera and then the camera switches to the enemy and the weapon or device is destroyed without seeing the sword actually hit it. In G. I. Joe, characters weren't allowed to be killed, hence why everyone jumped out of the vehicles (and why Optimus Prime dying in the original movie was such a shock to kids). To get around these limitations the story writers had to write good stories and couldn't rely solely on action sequences and fighting. Dialogue had to move the plot and the moral lessons added to that story. Better quality of writing led to better quality of shows.
@@BeazleyStudios Yes. They were telling better stories back then because books were still large part of media in my opinion. Higher standards of storytelling. I don't need to see the killing but of course that stirred up the controversy of unrealistic portrayal of guns. I don't think it was any different from the Saturday cowboy matinees. Lots of shooting and bad guys just fall over or get punched and tied up. That transformers movie still bothers me. :P They died heroically but damn.
@@BeazleyStudios Even the 1980's Rambo cartoon (like GI Joe, had nobody killed) had actually interesting storylines and tightly written scripts. Good art to boot.
crap is cheap to make... dig up the graves of old jokes, tropes, and characters and slap on a healthy dose of nostalgia then taint it with SJW panderings...
Lets take a look at a country that until very recently, had a booming animation economy: France. Literally the country that invented the art of animation, and the very first western country to import Japanese animation, before starting a golden age of french-japanese co-productions in the 90s. Then something happened. Japanese animation was used as a scapegoat for youth violence by the left (and as a distraction from the fact they turned public schools into ghettos with mass immigration), socialists petitionned a law banning snacks and toys commercials during kid programs (effectively cutting ad revenues for animation studios licenced products, because they don't understand economy), prompting the raise of branded show like the Lego series, in which the commercial is the show itself. And more recently, they put a feminist woman close to the socialist party in charge of the public network, that promptly killed "France 4" the very last public channel that was aimed for teens, killing the broadcaster of Rick & Morty, Dr Who and Star Wars Rebels, but at the same time leaving french animation studios like Ankama of Marathon short of their only syndication channel. And guess what replaced France 4? A 24/7 preschool channel. Yes you read that right, they are dumb enough to air Peppa pig at midnight, and don't understand why their new channel is a flop.
It used to be that kids were given heroes they could aspire to be and look up to. Now they're given ''heroes'' that are dragged down to levels below us.
I believe most people who pirate games or shows are people that wouldn't buy or watch those shows anyhow without being able to pirate them. The money lost from actual customers via piracy in the US and Europe is a lot less than they want us to believe. China and its copyright issues is a much bigger and expensive problem. Piracy has become an excuse for poor content, quality and decisions made by these companies.
I sailed the high seas so much more as a teen when I had no money. I now pay for a lot of the streaming services cause it's easy access and I have the money to support them
Now when you shown a scene from tundercats 2011 I suddenly got a flashback and it was like: "oh my God this is this cartoon, I used to love it as a kid"(I was watching it in polish so hearing title "tundercats" rang no Bell before ) and now my dissapointment towards the new show and CN is as big as it was when I watched TTG for the first time. Rip my childhood
"Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem." Gabe Newell Companies can blame piracy all they want. Saying it more often doesn't make it any more correct, because it just simply isn't. The overwhelmingly vast majority of people WANT to support stuff they like, and if the service involved in paying for the product is good, then they'll happily pay for it. Thundercats (2011) released with no advertisement at a time where millions of people were dropping their cable / satellite television services because streaming services were finally taking off, and each platform had content that was comparable to what was on TV, and for far cheaper; more for less. Because CN didn't advertise, they were relying on people to see it on TV Guide, or the fairly new TV guide- the prior being a company with a weekly magazine and live TV channel that constantly scrolled through channels to display what would be broadcast for the present and upcoming 90 minutes, and the latter being the screen overlay that does exactly the same thing, but is under the user's control, and is not the company of the same name- and decided to watch it when it came on. With everyone watching these new on-demand streaming services, and getting rid of television services, there was nothing to tell them that there was a new series. So naturally, when the Thundercats reboot was only a moderate success, it was because nobody watched it, and if nobody watched it, it clearly meant that people didn't like it, close sarcasm. Then, there's also the older people in the industry who have this mentality ingrained into them that doesn't allow them to see how hypocritical they are when they say loudly and proudly, "Cartoons are for children!" as they make time to watch reruns of Westerns which were all made with strict adherence to a censorship code that was written entirely so that the shows could be deemed 'appropriate for children'. There were codes like 'all law enforcement must be pinnacles of justice, and can never be portrayed as corrupt', or 'all priests / preachers of the Christian faith must be treated with respect by both characters and creators of the programs', and 'protagonists must never be shown consuming alcohol unless it is obviously relevant to the story'. In short, you had cowboys who couldn't drink, paling around with sheriffs who were never the bad guys, making sure that even in the middle of a firefight, the preacher didn't get his robes dirty. These people LOVE these older shows and movies, but will insist to their dying breath that if something is animated instead of live-action, it is only for children 10 and younger to watch; that Death Note and Konosuba are for children. It's those sorts of people who run companies like Cartoon Network.
I think cartoon network and other channels "playing it safe" is a mistake. It used to be that CN and Nick and Disney appealed to a very wide audience, the cartoons and live action shows were things both kids, teens, and adults could enjoy together. Nowadays though, they don't even appeal to older kids, only the youngest demographic above toddlers. This is an interesting thing to think about.
I would argue that Disney Channel was the worst offender in this because the majority of their programing is aimed at tween girls, and anything that appeals to everyone else is few, and far between.
BeanDaddyMandela, I was actually surprised as you were whenever I first watched the original 2003 Teen Titans, the Trouble in Tokyo movie, and Young Justice series that it surprised me that there were actual merchandising of those series, but yet I’ve never seen any ads about them on cable.
My favourite dumb fun cartoon is still Tom and Jerry. It's amazing how much comedy they could create using no, or sometimes very minimal dialogue. And most, if not all the art holds up today.
The real sad thing is the 3 most major actors for Roar are anime actors. Max Mittelman (Saitama) plays Lion-O, Erica Lindbeck (Futaba Persona 5) plays Cheetara, and Patrick Seitz (Dio Brando) plays Mumm-ra and Tygra
I agree btw. to add abit. pre teens and older are harder to find home than kids due to a bus load of reasons. also the pre teens and older also have slightly less buyers influence on the ones with cash like parents to lets say buy toys and merch etc. Something else I found out is that due to content policies content must strictly follow age groups and failure to due so affects publishers and content makers, which narrows down content from a broad range of target groups, to a specific age group. very tricky situation.
I thought the new Thundercats were suppose to be like Adventure Time. Both were successful on their own but they thought combining the two would be a $$$ machine. Also I remember Teen Titans toy commercials, their tower became 5 different vehicles.
The Hedgehog‘s Dilemma the difference between teen ttians, is that it’s not a reboot it’s its own seperate thing that has nothing to do with the original series. They can very well do teen titans like how it was before, and still run teen titans go, because they don’t have anything to do with one another
Variety really is the spice of life, it’s one thing to make a parody show, but it’s a whole other thing to make most of your shows parodies. When I grew watching Cartoon Network, I remember seeing the reruns original Ben 10 and Alien force, generator rex, and looney toons, along with Super Hero Squad, which was a parody of marvel comics (and the X-men, since they still fell under the same category then) Parodies can be great, but they should be done in moderation. Cartoon Network is saturated with a lot of shows with similar style, humor, and genre, so of course everyone is going to be pissed. Cartoon Network really should aim for variety in its shows, because it’s _variety_ that brings people to the streaming networks.
I remember Thundercats 2011 also being on a really early timeslot so even if someone wanted to watch it they couldn't cause either they didn't want to get up super early to watch it or they have to go to school or work
Yeah im not even a parent im just the oldest of the bunch and i feel really bad for my younger family they didn't watch any of the shows that they were really interested in while they were still on and in turn they had really no interest in animation or anything like that they even lost interest in trying any of it out until my sister watched Steve universe and got a slight interest and that kinda snowballed into them enjoying a large variety of animation
If mature cartoons are dying, I refuse to let it. I don't know how, but I have two ideas for cartoons: One is of an established property that is a mix of kid and adult themes/antics (cause I can't decide on one or the other, so a mix may work) and the other is of a princess trying to take control/order of her country, with more going on behind the scenes (animated in a style similar to old school Disney movies). No clue how I'm gonna get my ideas in the door.
8S1ns, I’ve seen plenty of European RUclipsrs pronounce mah-ga correctly instead of pronouncing it like mango but with an European RUclipsr like the RUclipsr known as Vee, and I think that the only comic book artists on RUclips that pronounce manga correctly are Ethan Van Sciver and Mark Miller.
3:43 I think theres an outlier in modern cartoons for this. Steven Universe. Think about it, they not only are an action show, must be at least kind of expensive to produce, but they also got cancelled in multiple other countries for pushing their agenda, and despite all of that its still getting a 6th epilogue season. Who knows it might get a second SU future season. im just thinking maybe politics could save you from cancellation at this point. Cant look bad firing a woman right? even if that woman is generally incompetent in a lot of areas. Dont get me wrong i like SU, but we all know it has big problems.
Dragon Prince is a pretty great family-friendly action cartoon. Yeah, it still suffers some Ehasz-Richmondisms (i.e. bury your gays), but it's got great characters who have to make some legitimately hard choices.
"How about we take this action series and turn it into a comedy, so that the IP we use will make the viewer wonder "why am I not watching the original?" and the lazy immature comedy will make them wonder "why am I not rewatching old Spongebob?" *Big Brain Move*
Very insightful, a lot of points I hadn't even considered. Great stuff I would also add that canonical shows (which have over-arching stories that can span beyond more than a couple of episodes or seasons) can be killed via executives by changing their scheduled air time slots ensuring they never find their intended audience (Kings was a prime example of this). Another way of killing a show early can be via its advertising/trailer. If it's marketted to the wrong demographic then the show is often dead on arrival. Classic case of this is with Vanilla Ice, a DJ/Rapper that was marketted to children yet his main hit single, 'Ice Ice Baby' is about a prostitute acquiring cocaine from a drug dealer. I enjoyed TF Animated (the later seasons moreso than the earlier stuff), Transformers Prime & found TF: Cyberverse to be enjoyable too. The new Netflix Transformers show (due out later this year) I have severe doubts over considering Netflix's track record on animations.
There's definitely merit to more mature cartoons. Or animation in general. Granted, this is anime, but I'd still mention Digimon in this discussion. I am not sure about anything past 4 (which also had great moments), but the first three sometimes just hit you with a brick wall. I am not even talking about the finales of season one and three (Apocalimon being ALL Digimon that died in the name of evolution and D-Reaper feeding off Jane's (?) despair over losing Leomon), but also things like Angemon dying, SkullGreymon's whole existence or Mat splitting from the group and yet Gabumon staying in MetalGarurumon despite them "betraying" the Crest of Friendship they carry. Stuff like that has become very rare.
You hit the nail on the head when you brought up the streaming services. You can make more mature content on streaming channels and that your success/failure ratio is almost easier to read and you can order additional seasons if the shows really take off sooner.
I don't know if it's just me, but I notice that these more "comedic/childish" versions of the cartoons are on cable networks (CN, one of the Misney channels, etc) while the more "serious" cartoons/animation tend to be on the streaming services. Not sure if it's by accident or design, but feels to me like the powers that be for each of these media companies are trying to "push" people into the streaming side if they want more "adult" or action oriented animation/cartoon fare. What you mentioned at the 3:09-ish mark: of COURSE few watched it, CN kept on changing the time-slot & days for the 2011 Thundercats. I was literally only able to catch MAYBE 2 episodes, & that was by dumb luck. Having to jump through hoops just to catch a show is not my idea of fun.
Good children's cartoons were a dime a dozen back in my day (Lord I feel old typing that), try to find good live-action children's programming that isn't in the "educational" programming for very young children genre, even going back 20 years ago and choosing shows that aired widely in North America on basic cable. Outside of Power Rangers and the localizations of various tokusatsu trying to ape that shows success (most of which were by the same company that made Power Rangers such as Big Bad Beetleborgs and its sequel season Beetleborgs Metallix, Masked Rider, and I think even VR Troopers) what exactly was there? Are You Afraid of the Dark for slightly campy child-friendly Horror, Goosebumps for the same genre but with a touch more campiness, and I guess Wish Bone (who the heck even remembers that one) for those few kids who actually liked reading?
I recommend Infinity Train if you want a more adventure/action-ish cartoon. Its more adventure than action but if you like Gravity Falls or Over the Garden Wall, its kinda like a mix of both of those.
I got "Goodbye to Mature Cartoons?" in my YT feed right next to "Star Wars: The Clone Wars | Official Trailer | Disney+ " . YT works in mysterious ways ...
Simplistic animation styles like the mentioned newest Thunder Cats release is far easier to pump out under time constraint's. Let's also be honest considering the massive swing to cater to project's less prone to adult themes. I remember watching Gundam and Fullmetal Alchemist, but that gave way to show's like Adventure Time and Teen Titan's. Gargoyle's had fantastic animation and awesome writing and character development, season two wasn't given more time and the animation suffered as well as the story. Oh well Castlevania season 2, am I right lol
I speculate that comedy is popular, because in the past you had action for boys, and cutesy stuff for girls. Comedy however can appeal to both genders, so it seems like an easy way to get broad appeal.
Honestly the only time I've seen the make it into a comedy thing work twice, both being DC , the first one is the robot chicken special and the second one is justice league action a very underrated cartoon , which I consider TTG done well , I'd highly recommend it
Thundercats 2011 was so good. I randomly stumbled onto it while they were just ending the first season and had no idea it existed prior to that. I haven't really been happy with how CN handles their business for awhile but that one left an especially sour taste in my mouth.
Remember when we cried at the series finales of shows like regular show, adventure time, starvstheforces of evil and gravityfalls to name a few, those were the days
I didn't know about the 2011 Thundcats till you just told me. As someone that watched the original and pretty much every anime series since then, they definitely had a marketing fail.
dumb comedies are fine, turning serious IPs into dumb comedies that disrespect their source material is not fine.
Why can't they just leave IPs alone and make original stuff?
It's cheaper and easier, they don't have to make an effort. The characters are already made and the fanbase is already there, they care about easy money not respect
Creating things is hard, bastardizing things is easy.
Because they feel like destroying good is better than creating something unique they can capitalize on because you can't make 4 characters that exist without character degration of some kind
How about the attack on titan chibi series? People seem to like it.
@@chillykomasan7971 because it's style is decent
The characters are close to their original counterparts
And it's actually funny.
Avatar was on Nickelodeon and didn't water or baby anything down and it still stands as one of the greatest cartoons ever. Dont ever for get that when they try to sell you this crap.
Then there was Korra...
HeySeuss Jenkins I heard Korra was a massive disappointment.
‡ Gothic Croc ‡ Korra was ok. Not as good as the original and had some sjw spice (especially in the ending) but was generally ok.
there was some chibi avatar things which could be considered dumb down version, but it was on top of the rest, not trying to take it’s place in anyway.
That was entirely different, it was the first of it kind that could stand on it's own without merch, but it's not the rule but the exception.
It's also worth noting that the first 2 episodes of The Last Airbender were on the childish end of the spectrum, as (according to the show-runners) they weren't sure what they could get away with or how much support they'd get from the network. They got past this quickly of course, but I slept on that show for almost a decade precisely because those episodes sold the show as something it wound up not being.
*Cartoon industry*:
How do we stop piracy?
*Also the cartoon industry*:
Make our shows trash so no one will want to have them in the first place.
Meta solution to Meta problems I guess.
It has stopped piracy lol
No joke... it's leagues harder to read Western comics pirates than manga pirates.
Manga still sales in tens or hundreds times more copies.
Hahahahahahaha thanks for the great laugh m8!🥃🍺
Hollywood: How do we stop piracy? I know! Let's put pad 'anti-piracy PSAs at the start of DVDs, and treat out customers like criminals even thought they already payed money for the DVDs they bought legally.
US Studios : We cant make money with grownup cartoons
Japan Studios: You must be doing something wrong
Yes we americans are fucking stupid
RWBimbie Japan: *laughs in hentai*
Steve Smith 😂😂😂😂😂
I have a good theory. One episode of Family Guy costs about 2.5 million Dollar, you can make like 20 episodes of anime with the same budget.
@@schwarzerritter5724 Where the fuck does all that money go? Certainly not the animation department.
Bad companies blame the consumer.
Just like how movie studios punish their consumers with 'anti-piracy' propaganda.
I'm just thankful
that _"Over the Garden Wall"_ was made.
Its not Action, but its directed to a Wide audience of kids and adults
And then came Infinity Train...
@@AnnikaCoyucoCutecats I want a season 3 and I want it NOW!!
Come wayward souls
Infinity train, over the garden wall, Mao Mao, amphibia, owl house, tangled the series, there's quite a lot of cool shit out there but none of y'all watch them
Edit: carmen sandeigo, 12 forever, Love death and robots, and castelvania - recently watched castlevania and im in love.
@@necromelodia2432 Exactly. Judging by the comment section, people think there are no good cartoons today.
Gumball has humor in it that grown audiences can enjoy while younger ones laugh at the hysteria. They had a whole bit on virtue signaling. No baby is gonna know what that is.
They even featured The Asshole Judge character from Pink Floyd’s The Wall at one point. ;)
Regular Show too as it was TV-PG as it was a modern day Rocko's Modern Life
I kind of feel like she hasn't actually seen Gumball, or just seen the first season, which admittedly had less of that humor than it had later on. I may be wrong, but it almost felt she was almost pining the blame on Gumball before falling back on TTG.
I find it interesting how they mash up different animation styles and characters... it helps to create unique stories...
Gumball is a beautiful blend of Zoomer and Millenial energy/comedy. It has jokes layered on jokes with gags every minute and tons of satire. Like a modern day Simpsons/South Park for kids.
Teen titans
Ben ten
Secret Saturday’s
Clone wars
Static shock
Transformers
Samurai jack
All things of the past
Clone wars s7 is February
Danny Phantom, Adventure time, Over the Garden Wall, Avatar.... the list goes on tbh
@tylerx2f01 *Aku
Some here have been sparked up again recently as the replies have mentioned. But nonetheless there are countless others that are worthy of mentioning.
Transformers War for Cybertron is coming to Netflix. Beast War, Animated, Prime. Transformers comes and goes, as long as there are toys to sell Hasbro will keep it around.
The 2011 reboot is what introduced me to Thundercats. And my dad (who grew up watching the original) said it was better than the original
You're adopted, your parents don't even love you.
@@mategov that means my twin sister was also adopted
@@Mr_Movie_Fan She's just a figment of your imagination... Uuuhhh!...
@Michael Maus YOU'RE NOT MY MOM!!!
@@mategov you're a figment of my imagination
People forgot how to make cartoons that can appeal to kids and adults at the same time. It is all about dumb comedy for little kids nowadays.
They don't want the parents watching, it would ruin the indoctrination.
Infinity train ,Love Deaths +Robots. And Over The Garden Wall
Man i remember when i was a kid, i really liked animation. I recall my parents saying to me to not rent Spirited Away again because i did it so many times. Oliver & Company (My Aunt bought me the VHS because of my name xD), The Iron Giant, All Dogs go to Heaven... Those were films, however id watch em' religiously. They were NO WHERE dumb at all. The same with the TV animations like The Country Mouse and the City Mouse Adventures, Tin Tin, Little Bear's Adventures, the original Thundercats (even though now it is not THAT good), Mighty Thor (that pretty old one), fucking CyberChase which would teach you MATH of all the things which was simply amazing, and a lot more that dont come to mind the names right now. All of them beautifully animated, with humor, talking about family, new things to learn, meaningful adventures.... Even Saint Seiya, which is full of violence for a kid, id consume it like no other after school.
When i see shit like this i cant believe how backwards we´ve come. What a mess...
"if you only make a animated show just for kids and for kids only then that's a bad cartoon"
@Richter, you need to watch more modern cartoons, if you think there's nothing good nowadays.
"Well at least we still have anime." You earned my respect with that acknowledgement
Betting all the chips only on kids market today is dumb.
Just silly "boomer" decision who actually don't get what children really want.
Animation is not inherently infantile. Just another way to tell a story.
There is demand and adult fans have money to buy additional merchandise.
I showed my 12 year old son old 80's action cartoons. Blew. His. Mind.
Can't wait for boomers and sjws to die
Pretty sure all modern shit shows now are produced by millennials.
Or worse, Calart style millennials
Yeah, but who are the Corporate Overlords that green light those series by idiots? Boomers nearly 100% of the time (would have written out the full percentage, but I didn't want to be here until the heat death of the universe).
@@hteekay I love how gen-x is just completely left out of everything now days.
Bugs Bunny is still around, hell, they made him into a meme, but these kind of cartoons, no one will remember.
Rex Tucker Space Jam 2. Of course he's still around.
Ah for the days of comedy gold like Rabbit Seasoning.
Looney Tunes Back in Action was so underrated.
Crazy how far cartoons downgraded in terms of maturity and themes. Reminds me of the OKKO episode that was a metaphor for gun control but of course they couldn’t use actual guns, even though Static Shock sort of did the same thing and used an actual gun.
Modern American networks and studios have no backbone these days. Can't even show a realistic-ish gun in a youth's cartoon anymore. Same with smoking (ie. A villain smoking used to be the staple back then. You just KNEW, that the villain usually smokes.)
@@MetallicBlade yet kids on mass are playing fortnite a game with guns in it...
These studios are stupid.
You really need to aim for children if you want to propagate your agenda.
*cof* steve universe *cof*
Like the controversial 14th episode of Gargoyles, it delved into gun safety here ruclips.net/video/d3b0vmK-ziY/видео.html and here ruclips.net/video/Ax-uxE7s2wQ/видео.html
Heck that same episode of Static Shock even showed how bullied kids can be pushed to doing school shootings so they episode didn't just do "guns are bad" but also explain how we mistreat people can lead to the uses of guns like that and we need to be better to each other so people don't feel pushed into wanting to harm others.
Early sponge bob is a lot like early simpsons it develops a child’s sense of comedy. They’ve got very well written jokes and have great comedic timing. My issue with the newer wave of comedy cartoons is that they rely on very meme-esque humor or that very awkward talky tumblr humor (think Michael Cera) which is fine in moderation but I feel like that style of comedy is pretty over abundant right now.
P.s Not to say there aren’t funny kids shows out right now that are exceptions just highlighting my problem with thundercats roar
Remember Sym-Bionic Titan?
TMNT (2015)?
Young Justice?
Green Lantern: TNAS?
Samurai Jack?
The ZETA Project?
Batman: The Brave and the Bold?
Spectacular Spider-Man?
Good times...
What's Zeta Project?😕
@@GamerBoy870 A direct Spin-off Series from Batman Beyond (add that to the list) about a Terminator Synthoid that learns empathy with a Human friend, all while dodging a Govt Agent Bennett and the rest of the military who believe he is still following his assassination protocol AND seeking out the shocking truth about his origins and his Creator.
It has a cool futuristic world setting that was really well built
I'm trying not to spoil anything but I highly recommend you check it out. It went on for 2 Seasons and ended somewhat open ended not counting the hinted revelation about Dr. Zelig at the final scene.
@@GamerBoy870 I remeber most of them,mostly Spectacular Spiderman and Batman the Brave and the Bold.
@@GamerBoy870 is about shape shifting robot.
@@commodore256 his design pretty good though.
Cartoons are important, they not only introduce people to story telling and can give important morale lessons also. They can also transport
you into a new fantasy land and should inspire your own imagination. New cartoons are nothing more than propaganda disguised as a cartoons
the sole intent is to make a new generation of justice warriors and emasculate any strong male characters.
They also teach kids solid life skills and what the real world can be like in the lens of a different world. As well as supply entertainment and tell stories that can make you feel something
Couldn't agree more
Make kids justice warrior lmao
CN has a history of killing off good shows for reasons outside of viewership. Anyone else remember Sym-Bionic Titan?
(also I watched thundercats 2011 was pretty good)
Thugnificent, I remember both Sym-Bionic Titan and 2011 Thundercats series, and it’s ashame that Cartoon Network cancelled both extremely great series.
"Your show is terrible and looks terrible."
"No, no. We totally made it that way on purpose because of piracy. That's not an excuse we're just using so we don't have to take responsibility for it."
We're just entering a 2nd dark age for animation and children's programming. The last one lasted from the mid 1950s to late 1980s when cartoon quality began to hit the down low as studios like Hanna-Barbera and Filmation adopted a quantity over quality method and certain studios began to outsource to Asian animators to animate American cartoons, while some just licensed anime and rewrote certain aspects to suit an American audience. The upcoming dark is one the where everything is a reboot based on a preexisting intellectual property from a nostalgic period and make it a spoof examples: Teen Titans Go!, Ben 10 (2016), PowerPuff Girls (2016), and Thundercats Roar! Another contributing factor is the lack of diverse animation style as almost every cartoon has adopted the cal arts animation style. Also the popularity and abundance of Anime in the west can be considered a contributing factor. Feel free to add to this comment or correct me if I'm wrong. Also dannphan is really cute; had to.
This is 100% wrong. You can't use a few dumb CN reboots, out of all the good cartoons nowadays, and use that to say, "We're entering another dark age". It's selective cherry picking.
@@justinstewart9291 Thanks for the comment. Selective cherry picking you say looking back at the comment guess I was; my apologies. However can we agree that almost every cartoon has adopted the cal arts animation style besides the crappy cartoons listed here even good shows like Gravity Falls, Steven Universe, The Amazing World Of Gumball, the latest Duck Tales incarnation, and We Bare Bears.
@@Veritech2011 Hard disagree on Gumball, since outside of Gumball the character, there are many unique visual styles. Even Ducktales looks significantly different and has its own art style, and good writing to boot.
@@justinstewart9291 Well for me they all look the same but each to there own opinion. About the writing to the shows well I haven't caught much of DuckTales but with Gumball it has alot of surreal moments which adds charm. However there is one episode that always made me question some of the logic of the show. It had to do with a potato being sentient, with the potato being sentient is he aware that one day he'll be turned into sustenance one day? And in that same episode he ate some fries so does that make him a cannibal? Also thanks for the reply.
What that the Golden age of cartoons in America from 1957- 1993
Dannfan: knows how to pirate videos when she was a child.
Me: sat on my lazy booty all day in front of the tv.
Management takes a lot of the blame. Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes had two seasons taking from the comics and building up great "to be continued" storylines right up to the last episodes. Cancelled. Why? The Avengers movie was very popular and attracted a lot of kids. So Disney decided everything had to start from "Go" and feature characters as per the movie. The storylines became weak and the dialogue was so horribly bad! Disney didn't care because they knew they could sell merchandise (comic related rather than the TV animated series related). It is the fast buck and though piracy plays its part -far far more with comics-- but most execs have their idea that kids will buy more and anyone over a certain age is not in the right profile group. Money is the key -and, no, they DO NOT like to spend money so cash grab it is!
I liked Earth's Mightiest much more than it's "replacement", which was too MCU-influenced.
Thank god we have anime.
Yet
Meanwhile in anime: "I got hit by a truck now I'm an invincible fighter in a fantasy universe and everyone wants to have sex with me."
@@SeekerLancer that is Just 50 porcent of anime tho
@@SeekerLancer We all know isekai is trash tho
@@dc7981 An awesome idea with shit execution. Things don't even happen on a realistic timescale characters don't even react like normal people. The dude is immune to basically all the diseases and no one gets sick from them diseases he has. Isekai was just some pandering to weak, insecure scrawny losers with no idea of what a relatable character. I've read and watched hentai with better worldbuilding, characters, and development.
As much as I loved Adventure Time, Pendleton Ward poisoned the well at Cartoon Network, and here's how I think he did it. Pen was very adamant in his later seasons about letting his story board artists, who he was close friends with, write and direct their own episodes. These were mostly tumblr/social media artists, who's only experience were their personal social media output, and story board work for one or two shows. Him convincing the network to take that chance really opened the flood gates for the higher ups to start fishing for talent from the much broader waters of skilled but professionally untested social media artists. Shows made in the wake of Adventure Time seem to be chasing this really twee, high energy, and weirdly infantile aesthetic inherit to the artistic refugees of tumblr's porn purge, I imagine they are a lot cheaper to hire also. Teen Titans Go, Clarence, Gumball, Steven Universe, Regular Show. To me this was the era of shows with independent social media artist sensibilities.
You can see a parallel trend with Adult Swim programming as well, just replace Pendleton Ward with Tim and Eric. In the wake of those two huge talents who really shaped the directions of their network with their success, the void of originality they left behind is palpable. Cartoon Network became more childish. Adult Swim really lost that hard comedic edge they used to have in favor of the goofball, almost primordial awkwardness of the Tim & Eric era. The success of Adventure time at Cartoon Network and when Adult Swim cancelled Million Dollar Extreme, were the tragic pivotal swan songs of quality for the Network. Tha'ts how it seems to me anyway, there's a huge possibility I have no idea what I'm talking about. I agree with this video, where has the maturity gone?
That alone explains why I NEVER got into 'Adventure Time'.
i mentioned this in a comment earlier, but Gumball is if anything a satire of the very thing that you're critiquing. They have references to Frank Miller, to Bushido, to the insufferability of SJWs, etc.
While i agree with most of what you said, in my opinion, Regular show should not be put in the same bubble as Clarence and TT Go!
The humor was more crass than Gumball and the show relied more on its weird factor, but did have mature moments
@@darrylferguson3622 I'll give 'Regular Show' that to some extent, but J.G. Quintel's art style still cut from the same cloth as Pen Ward's style.
adventure time was great compared to this
Good video. The 2010s actually started off very strong with action cartoons and more mature looking shows, but for the reasons mentioned in the video they practically disappeared from the traditional animated TV networks for the rest of the decade. The Legend of Korra is basically one of the last animated shows that were aimed at a more mature audience on a traditional kids TV network like Nickelodeon, but we all know how badly Nick treated that show by making it online only streaming near the end of its run.
That said, I don't think that the release of more mature shows are slowing down anymore. My reason? Netflix. In the last few years Netflix has produced/released some very high quality animated programming that fill similar niches to shows of yesteryear and arguably even expanded beyond the restrictions of traditional cable TV. A show like Castlevania would have never been made on Nickelodeon, Disney Channel, or Cartoon Network. We also got a successful revival of Young Justice on Netflix and because of it being on Netflix it has been able to grow up with its original audience and go to places that even the original few seasons weren't allowed to show. There is a lot more freedom to explore and find more mature animated shows and films as well which are suitable for both kids and adults on Netflix. I.e. Klaus and Green Eggs and Ham, which both are excellent.
A big problem with shows like Thundercats 2011 is that they came out years too early in a time period where the future of traditional TV networks was a big uncertainty because of the ever looming presence of the internet. Not really because of piracy (Although it did play a small part in it.), but because of brand new competition like RUclips. RUclips to me is the biggest contributor to Nickelodeon, Disney Channel, and Cartoon Network getting into their current situation, since kids were busy watching let's plays of PewDiePie rather than tune in to these shows. Especially since there was no easy way to access these shows online through legal streaming. Meanwhile most kids grew up glued to their phones, something which RUclips had ensured was easily accessible from practically day one when the first iPhone came out.
Most of the 2010s have been just adapting to this brand new world of entertainment with constant internet access and because of that, Thundercats 2011 sadly had to suffer that awkward transition. However as previously mentioned, more streaming services are popping up, and Netflix who has been leading the charge last decade have managed to revive interest in mature animation overall. Heck, we're soon getting a continuation of the original He-Man on Netflix which apparently will be more mature than its original incarnation. Nickelodeon has also partnered up with Netflix on multiple occassions as of late and are planning on continuing said relationship going forward, which is really saying a lot about the state of animation today.
Yes Netflix does good cartoons
Waiting for Castlevania season 3!
"The Legend of Korra is basically one of the last animated shows that were aimed at a more mature audience on a traditional kids TV network like Nickelodeon".
You're forgetting about Over the Garden Wall and Infinity Train
CN canned Thundercats 2011 because it was too expensive to produce.
Anime production is incredibly unpredictable. Literally, a show can run for one or two seasons, disappear for ten years, and then get a third, fourth and fifth season, and the creators will be like:
“Hey, remember the show you loved ten+ years ago, but ended on a cliffhanger?”
“While now it’s back, and right where we left off” “Enjoy”.
I’m looking at you, Saint Seiya.
(Lays a rose on the grave of Green Lantern: TAS)
I really like that show.
My favorite DC animated show
easy, cheap and doest need real talented people to do them...
Yup at least we have anime is appropriate
Didn't even know Thunder cats 2011 existed till 2020.
Gumball's a lot better watch when a bit tipsy/intoxicated👌
The old stories were more mature because they were based on parables from the bible and Aesop's fables etc. They had teaching lessons that were inherent but not in your face. If someone betrayed a friend in a fit of spite you could see how that affected people from different characters perspectives. If they helped each other using different skills to advance a goal you could see that in action. Great visual story telling can achieve better results than reading a book to young minds that can't relate to experiences they haven't had yet.
At the time of the 80s and early 90s, tv censors required shows like He-Man, She-Ra and G. I. Joe to teach moral lessons and they couldn't use their weapons in certain ways. He-Man was never allowed to use his sword as an actual weapon, hence why all the scenes are of him bouncing lasers and magical energies off the sword or he swings it at the camera and then the camera switches to the enemy and the weapon or device is destroyed without seeing the sword actually hit it. In G. I. Joe, characters weren't allowed to be killed, hence why everyone jumped out of the vehicles (and why Optimus Prime dying in the original movie was such a shock to kids). To get around these limitations the story writers had to write good stories and couldn't rely solely on action sequences and fighting. Dialogue had to move the plot and the moral lessons added to that story. Better quality of writing led to better quality of shows.
@@BeazleyStudios Yes. They were telling better stories back then because books were still large part of media in my opinion. Higher standards of storytelling. I don't need to see the killing but of course that stirred up the controversy of unrealistic portrayal of guns. I don't think it was any different from the Saturday cowboy matinees. Lots of shooting and bad guys just fall over or get punched and tied up. That transformers movie still bothers me. :P They died heroically but damn.
@@BeazleyStudios Even the 1980's Rambo cartoon (like GI Joe, had nobody killed) had actually interesting storylines and tightly written scripts. Good art to boot.
My Little Pony FIM taught kids lessons too
[patiently waiting for the next season of Venture Bros]
*sits down across from you. Pulla out guitar*
Kumbaya, my Lord, Kumbaya,
Kumbaya, my Lord, Kumbaya,
Kumbaya, my Lord, Kumbaya, oh, Lord, Kumbaya.
"Well, at least we still have anime"
Story of my life tbh
They can create things of true value, these days its mostly crap.
suuuure,... infinity train, the dragon prince ( same creator from avatar),etc......
crap is cheap to make... dig up the graves of old jokes, tropes, and characters and slap on a healthy dose of nostalgia then taint it with SJW panderings...
Samurai jack season 5 was the greatest comeback of one of the classic cartoons in this decade.
Lets take a look at a country that until very recently, had a booming animation economy: France.
Literally the country that invented the art of animation, and the very first western country to import Japanese animation, before starting a golden age of french-japanese co-productions in the 90s.
Then something happened. Japanese animation was used as a scapegoat for youth violence by the left (and as a distraction from the fact they turned public schools into ghettos with mass immigration), socialists petitionned a law banning snacks and toys commercials during kid programs (effectively cutting ad revenues for animation studios licenced products, because they don't understand economy), prompting the raise of branded show like the Lego series, in which the commercial is the show itself. And more recently, they put a feminist woman close to the socialist party in charge of the public network, that promptly killed "France 4" the very last public channel that was aimed for teens, killing the broadcaster of Rick & Morty, Dr Who and Star Wars Rebels, but at the same time leaving french animation studios like Ankama of Marathon short of their only syndication channel. And guess what replaced France 4? A 24/7 preschool channel. Yes you read that right, they are dumb enough to air Peppa pig at midnight, and don't understand why their new channel is a flop.
That's really depressing. :(
i remenber when anime was booming in the early 2000s and cartoons were trying so hard to be like anime it was insane.
I agree that we still have anime like Vinland saga ,my hero academia,one piece etc
It used to be that kids were given heroes they could aspire to be and look up to. Now they're given ''heroes'' that are dragged down to levels below us.
i watched Star Trek TNG when i was 8, and that show is dialog heavy...
I believe most people who pirate games or shows are people that wouldn't buy or watch those shows anyhow without being able to pirate them. The money lost from actual customers via piracy in the US and Europe is a lot less than they want us to believe. China and its copyright issues is a much bigger and expensive problem. Piracy has become an excuse for poor content, quality and decisions made by these companies.
Exactly, they only use piracy to justify their failure.
I sailed the high seas so much more as a teen when I had no money. I now pay for a lot of the streaming services cause it's easy access and I have the money to support them
Kim Possible also fell into the rerun cancellation category but it at least ended on a good enough ending
Now when you shown a scene from tundercats 2011 I suddenly got a flashback and it was like: "oh my God this is this cartoon, I used to love it as a kid"(I was watching it in polish so hearing title "tundercats" rang no Bell before ) and now my dissapointment towards the new show and CN is as big as it was when I watched TTG for the first time. Rip my childhood
"Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem."
Gabe Newell
Companies can blame piracy all they want. Saying it more often doesn't make it any more correct, because it just simply isn't. The overwhelmingly vast majority of people WANT to support stuff they like, and if the service involved in paying for the product is good, then they'll happily pay for it. Thundercats (2011) released with no advertisement at a time where millions of people were dropping their cable / satellite television services because streaming services were finally taking off, and each platform had content that was comparable to what was on TV, and for far cheaper; more for less. Because CN didn't advertise, they were relying on people to see it on TV Guide, or the fairly new TV guide- the prior being a company with a weekly magazine and live TV channel that constantly scrolled through channels to display what would be broadcast for the present and upcoming 90 minutes, and the latter being the screen overlay that does exactly the same thing, but is under the user's control, and is not the company of the same name- and decided to watch it when it came on. With everyone watching these new on-demand streaming services, and getting rid of television services, there was nothing to tell them that there was a new series. So naturally, when the Thundercats reboot was only a moderate success, it was because nobody watched it, and if nobody watched it, it clearly meant that people didn't like it, close sarcasm.
Then, there's also the older people in the industry who have this mentality ingrained into them that doesn't allow them to see how hypocritical they are when they say loudly and proudly, "Cartoons are for children!" as they make time to watch reruns of Westerns which were all made with strict adherence to a censorship code that was written entirely so that the shows could be deemed 'appropriate for children'. There were codes like 'all law enforcement must be pinnacles of justice, and can never be portrayed as corrupt', or 'all priests / preachers of the Christian faith must be treated with respect by both characters and creators of the programs', and 'protagonists must never be shown consuming alcohol unless it is obviously relevant to the story'. In short, you had cowboys who couldn't drink, paling around with sheriffs who were never the bad guys, making sure that even in the middle of a firefight, the preacher didn't get his robes dirty. These people LOVE these older shows and movies, but will insist to their dying breath that if something is animated instead of live-action, it is only for children 10 and younger to watch; that Death Note and Konosuba are for children. It's those sorts of people who run companies like Cartoon Network.
@Simple Weirdo SJWs are a bigger problem than boomers when it comes to entertainment these days.
I think cartoon network and other channels "playing it safe" is a mistake. It used to be that CN and Nick and Disney appealed to a very wide audience, the cartoons and live action shows were things both kids, teens, and adults could enjoy together. Nowadays though, they don't even appeal to older kids, only the youngest demographic above toddlers. This is an interesting thing to think about.
I would argue that Disney Channel was the worst offender in this because the majority of their programing is aimed at tween girls, and anything that appeals to everyone else is few, and far between.
I really like the video @dannphan29 but i can't stop looking at your Alterna Comics hat ❤
ITS just calarts.
Dude cool af helmet
There were Teen Titans toys?
BeanDaddyMandela, I was actually surprised as you were whenever I first watched the original 2003 Teen Titans, the Trouble in Tokyo movie, and Young Justice series that it surprised me that there were actual merchandising of those series, but yet I’ve never seen any ads about them on cable.
Light Yagami I actually have two Robin toys from OG TEEN TITANS. One was from toys r us and another from Wendy's.
I saw that video too, and he was referring most to action cartoons from the start of the decade, before streaming became prevalent.
My favourite dumb fun cartoon is still Tom and Jerry. It's amazing how much comedy they could create using no, or sometimes very minimal dialogue. And most, if not all the art holds up today.
Just discovered your channel today, and gotta say, I just straight up loving the content. Been bingewatching a lot of your videos!
There's a theory that Thundercats 2011 suffer boycott to place Legends of Chima.
streaming services is all what action animated projects needed for a long time
The real sad thing is the 3 most major actors for Roar are anime actors. Max Mittelman (Saitama) plays Lion-O, Erica Lindbeck (Futaba Persona 5) plays Cheetara, and Patrick Seitz (Dio Brando) plays Mumm-ra and Tygra
Archer is awesome on FX :)
Looking forward to the new season since Archer woke from his coma.
At least we still have people willing to make shows with good plot,characters and world building, for example ,kipo ,amphibia and owl house.
I agree btw. to add abit. pre teens and older are harder to find home than kids due to a bus load of reasons. also the pre teens and older also have slightly less buyers influence on the ones with cash like parents to lets say buy toys and merch etc.
Something else I found out is that due to content policies content must strictly follow age groups and failure to due so affects publishers and content makers, which narrows down content from a broad range of target groups, to a specific age group. very tricky situation.
I thought the new Thundercats were suppose to be like Adventure Time. Both were successful on their own but they thought combining the two would be a $$$ machine. Also I remember Teen Titans toy commercials, their tower became 5 different vehicles.
First teen titans and now ThunderCats? This is beyond desperate!
This is heresy...
The Hedgehog‘s Dilemma the difference between teen ttians, is that it’s not a reboot it’s its own seperate thing that has nothing to do with the original series. They can very well do teen titans like how it was before, and still run teen titans go, because they don’t have anything to do with one another
Variety really is the spice of life, it’s one thing to make a parody show, but it’s a whole other thing to make most of your shows parodies.
When I grew watching Cartoon Network, I remember seeing the reruns original Ben 10 and Alien force, generator rex, and looney toons, along with Super Hero Squad, which was a parody of marvel comics (and the X-men, since they still fell under the same category then)
Parodies can be great, but they should be done in moderation. Cartoon Network is saturated with a lot of shows with similar style, humor, and genre, so of course everyone is going to be pissed.
Cartoon Network really should aim for variety in its shows, because it’s _variety_ that brings people to the streaming networks.
I remember Thundercats 2011 also being on a really early timeslot so even if someone wanted to watch it they couldn't cause either they didn't want to get up super early to watch it or they have to go to school or work
God save the anime 💝
Demon Slayer blew tf up so much! I love it. FireForce too.
Yeah im not even a parent im just the oldest of the bunch and i feel really bad for my younger family they didn't watch any of the shows that they were really interested in while they were still on and in turn they had really no interest in animation or anything like that they even lost interest in trying any of it out until my sister watched Steve universe and got a slight interest and that kinda snowballed into them enjoying a large variety of animation
This is why I prefer to stick serious themed anime directly from Japan.
If mature cartoons are dying, I refuse to let it.
I don't know how, but I have two ideas for cartoons: One is of an established property that is a mix of kid and adult themes/antics (cause I can't decide on one or the other, so a mix may work) and the other is of a princess trying to take control/order of her country, with more going on behind the scenes (animated in a style similar to old school Disney movies).
No clue how I'm gonna get my ideas in the door.
As an Asian you pronouncing "manga" correctly is like a fresh air to my ear
8S1ns, I’ve seen plenty of European RUclipsrs pronounce mah-ga correctly instead of pronouncing it like mango but with an European RUclipsr like the RUclipsr known as Vee, and I think that the only comic book artists on RUclips that pronounce manga correctly are Ethan Van Sciver and Mark Miller.
Munga.. And unimay.. hahaha
3:43 I think theres an outlier in modern cartoons for this. Steven Universe. Think about it, they not only are an action show, must be at least kind of expensive to produce, but they also got cancelled in multiple other countries for pushing their agenda, and despite all of that its still getting a 6th epilogue season. Who knows it might get a second SU future season.
im just thinking maybe politics could save you from cancellation at this point. Cant look bad firing a woman right? even if that woman is generally incompetent in a lot of areas. Dont get me wrong i like SU, but we all know it has big problems.
Original ideas I find more important tbh. I can find my more mature show-fix elsewhere. But my god, why can't they think of ANYTHING original?
Who is this Geek Goddess!?
I love this video.Explains a lot of both sides. And she corrects herself when their is obvious confusion.
Dragon Prince is a pretty great family-friendly action cartoon. Yeah, it still suffers some Ehasz-Richmondisms (i.e. bury your gays), but it's got great characters who have to make some legitimately hard choices.
Thank You for bringing this to my attention.
I'll see if I can come up with a solution.
"How about we take this action series and turn it into a comedy, so that the IP we use will make the viewer wonder "why am I not watching the original?" and the lazy immature comedy will make them wonder "why am I not rewatching old Spongebob?"
*Big Brain Move*
Nice to see Chris Ray Guns little sister making quality videos. ;)
Very insightful, a lot of points I hadn't even considered. Great stuff
I would also add that canonical shows (which have over-arching stories that can span beyond more than a couple of episodes or seasons) can be killed via executives by changing their scheduled air time slots ensuring they never find their intended audience (Kings was a prime example of this).
Another way of killing a show early can be via its advertising/trailer. If it's marketted to the wrong demographic then the show is often dead on arrival.
Classic case of this is with Vanilla Ice, a DJ/Rapper that was marketted to children yet his main hit single, 'Ice Ice Baby' is about a prostitute acquiring cocaine from a drug dealer.
I enjoyed TF Animated (the later seasons moreso than the earlier stuff), Transformers Prime & found TF: Cyberverse to be enjoyable too. The new Netflix Transformers show (due out later this year) I have severe doubts over considering Netflix's track record on animations.
Thank god we have tangled the series
I remember there was Baby Looney toons back in the day. Liked it though because they were cute.
I liked it better when it was called 'Tiny Toon Adventures'.
I pity you.
Elelator go down the hoooooooole
There's definitely merit to more mature cartoons. Or animation in general. Granted, this is anime, but I'd still mention Digimon in this discussion. I am not sure about anything past 4 (which also had great moments), but the first three sometimes just hit you with a brick wall. I am not even talking about the finales of season one and three (Apocalimon being ALL Digimon that died in the name of evolution and D-Reaper feeding off Jane's (?) despair over losing Leomon), but also things like Angemon dying, SkullGreymon's whole existence or Mat splitting from the group and yet Gabumon staying in MetalGarurumon despite them "betraying" the Crest of Friendship they carry. Stuff like that has become very rare.
Ah good there is still fan out there of Digimon
You hit the nail on the head when you brought up the streaming services. You can make more mature content on streaming channels and that your success/failure ratio is almost easier to read and you can order additional seasons if the shows really take off sooner.
I don't know if it's just me, but I notice that these more "comedic/childish" versions of the cartoons are on cable networks (CN, one of the Misney channels, etc) while the more "serious" cartoons/animation tend to be on the streaming services. Not sure if it's by accident or design, but feels to me like the powers that be for each of these media companies are trying to "push" people into the streaming side if they want more "adult" or action oriented animation/cartoon fare.
What you mentioned at the 3:09-ish mark: of COURSE few watched it, CN kept on changing the time-slot & days for the 2011 Thundercats. I was literally only able to catch MAYBE 2 episodes, & that was by dumb luck. Having to jump through hoops just to catch a show is not my idea of fun.
Does anyone remember slug-terra? Pepperidge farm remembers
How about Storm Hawk or Dragoon Booster
Pepperidge farm remembers
Good children's cartoons were a dime a dozen back in my day (Lord I feel old typing that), try to find good live-action children's programming that isn't in the "educational" programming for very young children genre, even going back 20 years ago and choosing shows that aired widely in North America on basic cable. Outside of Power Rangers and the localizations of various tokusatsu trying to ape that shows success (most of which were by the same company that made Power Rangers such as Big Bad Beetleborgs and its sequel season Beetleborgs Metallix, Masked Rider, and I think even VR Troopers) what exactly was there? Are You Afraid of the Dark for slightly campy child-friendly Horror, Goosebumps for the same genre but with a touch more campiness, and I guess Wish Bone (who the heck even remembers that one) for those few kids who actually liked reading?
@@HenshinFanatic Wishbone was way before my time, but that dog tought more me more about history than school ever did
The intro pretty much sums it up.
I recommend Infinity Train if you want a more adventure/action-ish cartoon. Its more adventure than action but if you like Gravity Falls or Over the Garden Wall, its kinda like a mix of both of those.
An action cartoon is not Woke enough.
I got "Goodbye to Mature Cartoons?" in my YT feed right next to "Star Wars: The Clone Wars | Official Trailer | Disney+ " . YT works in mysterious ways ...
During the time the Thundercats reboot was on the air. I had no idea there was toys in stores.
Simplistic animation styles like the mentioned newest Thunder Cats release is far easier to pump out under time constraint's. Let's also be honest considering the massive swing to cater to project's less prone to adult themes. I remember watching Gundam and Fullmetal Alchemist, but that gave way to show's like Adventure Time and Teen Titan's. Gargoyle's had fantastic animation and awesome writing and character development, season two wasn't given more time and the animation suffered as well as the story. Oh well Castlevania season 2, am I right lol
I believe 2011 Thundercats was at least in part cancelled because of low toy sales not necessarily low viewership
I speculate that comedy is popular, because in the past you had action for boys, and cutesy stuff for girls. Comedy however can appeal to both genders, so it seems like an easy way to get broad appeal.
If they sold the show on better Blu-ray sets it would help but not by much.
Yeah spongebob has had some moral lessons
Matthew Lucas Earlier seasons did.
Andrew Schmitt well some true
Honestly the only time I've seen the make it into a comedy thing work twice, both being DC , the first one is the robot chicken special and the second one is justice league action a very underrated cartoon , which I consider TTG done well , I'd highly recommend it
Thundercats 2011 was so good. I randomly stumbled onto it while they were just ending the first season and had no idea it existed prior to that. I haven't really been happy with how CN handles their business for awhile but that one left an especially sour taste in my mouth.
Remember when we cried at the series finales of shows like regular show, adventure time, starvstheforces of evil and gravityfalls to name a few, those were the days
For me it was the older cartoons from the early 2000s
we need more shows like infinity train
I didn't know about the 2011 Thundcats till you just told me. As someone that watched the original and pretty much every anime series since then, they definitely had a marketing fail.
The only person we have left for mature cartoons is Genndy Tartakovsky...
And also Ralph Matthew Waksberg
For a second there I thought the poster on her door was Judas Priest's Painkiller.