I tried it out as well and found that it was incredibly consistent and like the changes. Rewards effort but doesn't punish that badly for the ones that just camp dual or 2h. A nice edit might be to make the ability either single target or multi target based on selected spell or something like that.
@@aurah8245 mage is more if you camp incite fear, simply do not camp incite fear and your costs drop drastically. Exsang costs ~1650 per cast, incite fear costs ~6500 lol. Get your 5 stacks and switch to exsang, better dps and costs less
@@peterkirk8510 exsanf uses more tunes than incite. Incite only uses runes building up stacks and on the passive procs. But now with the new fsoa changes it’ll be cheaper but we also can’t do blood barrage for quick heals during things like zammy phases to no food
What are your thought on the proposed GSonic change posted by mod Doom? Greater Sonic Wave 60%-170% ability damage, - On-hit: gain 8 stacks of flow for 4.25. Flow • Increases your hit chance by 1% per stack. - Increases your base ability damage by 1% per stack.
My main concern is that the FSOA will be relegated to a eof spec like how the Ezk is. It’s personal preference but i would like to just camp the FSOA (especially as it’s t95) and not feel like I’m “holding myself back” by not using t88 dw. I feel like if they can close the gap a bit more between gconc and gsonic it will sting a bit less for those of us who don’t want to rely on switching. I’m not looking for speed kills, I just want to be able to use a high tier weapon I spent a lot on. I’m not expecting a 1:1 damage comparison to dw. I just don’t like how a bis weapon gets relegated to “hit spec then switch.” (Context this is coming from someone who is not a high tier PvMer)
Kinda sucks that for a lore stance- the Staff of Armadyl, the weapon that's been mystified since 2002 in Temple of Ikov, will now just a spec switch weapon.
Do you have a guide or know of a good guide that goes over the higher level gear upgrades and how to use them that allow you to get that level of dps? My sunshine rotation gets about 150k damage and It's hard to see where I can improve.
I just love how transparent jagex is being with all this. Giving an active beta to test a major change for alot of players is good so huge props to them. In relation to the actual changes i entirely agree. Its a little sad Gsonic is sorta dead on release but sometimes thats how it is. Excited to see what these changes then allow jagex to do which they seem to say the current live FSOA is limiting creativity. Love the video and big props all round to lots of content creators namely yourself, PuP and Rocket being your slave yesterday haha!
With the new gsonic rework coming on Tuesday, the jmods hinted that future updates would work to buff the "flow" effect that gsonic is going to provide. Seems like it'll get stronger overtime which is cool to see
Mod Doom a posted it! Greater Sonic Wave Basic Ability 60%-170% ability damage, - On-hit: gain 8 stacks of flow for 4.25. Flow • Increases your hit chance by 1% per stack. - Increases your base ability damage by 1% per stack.
My concern is that jagex will see the 410k damage number with 4taa and nerf the staff even further because it's currently a buff if you 4taa. And again, we'll have magic content handicapped because of 4taa, limiting those that don't want to use it. A 4taa change is probably needed at this point. 410k over 360k is like a 14% increase, which is massive.
I’m fine with 4taa existing, I just believe it shouldn’t ever be >5% dps increase. I’m fine with people who want to sweat dealing more damage to me, but I don’t want to feel like I’m kneecapping myself because I’m only using it at end game bosses.
the new fsoa swich? why not make it eof aswell ? jagex worked so hard on melee especialy/ enchantments to not swich weapons as mouch but I think we are back in the swichscape meta
I'm 50/50 on the change, but as someone who has bad rng XD I do enjoy the fact it won't be punishing for that. Definitely great seeing and hearing what/how you used it and the rotations as well. I use all three combat styles and I've always favored range anyways. Oh yeah,. HUGE props to the Jagex Dev team for this, having a beta world(s) and allowing players to access it, is a MASSIVE WIN in my book, wish/hope Jagex stays consistent with this now, if there's ever anymore changes that can/could affect the outcome on a style.
@Gustopher 😂 yes it is. If it wasn't a thing, items would be a lot cheaper, getting more crits/adrenaline gain would be much more consistent. To say no bad RNG doesn't exist for a game is laughable.
@@PercivalKing you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. By saying you don't have bad rng I mean you don't have a luck value assigned to your account. Obviously if you kill a boss 100 time you can have good/bad rng for your drops or your damage etc, but that doesn't say anything about your account.
I think if they had it use the spell effect without consuming runes and removed the recurring crit effect (special effect can't reproc special effect and no additional runes consumed) it would have made more sense so that spell selection still was situationally modifiable, but other than that the change is good, it was way to strong with recurring crits being enabled and now feels like a weapon instead of a death touch dart on a roulette table
Can someone answer this question please. Shouldn’t I just put my fsoa in my eof and camp dual wields and spam the spec? I don’t want to loose 1.6b to find out it doesn’t work lol. Thanks.
im not the best at the game, but i think that having an fsoa in a eof would be a waste, youd have to swap something anyways if you want a guthix stuff in another eof, so id just keep the fsoa out and just swap to it use the spec and swap back
Yeah I mean.. I've been a broke pvmer for a long time slowly upgrading but I'm honestly glad I never got to experience the op staff cuz it made actually learning bosses a fun grind lol
It can heal yes, and still offers a decent heal. Just switch to blood barrage and use Dark Form pray. But obviously it's not the same ~7k HP heal anymore
At least for me personally and my group of friends, we do the “sweaty” version of sunshine fsoa rotation on live (390k dmg), but dislike the idea of having to do 4taa (410k dmg) when the changes come through. In this instance, if we choose to not 4taa but still be “sweaty” and not camp one wep type or the other would we see a decrease in damage?
It no longer makes much sense for people to say that the loss of damage from not doing 4taa is a bad thing in these cases. Since people still used 4taa before (out of spec). Also another thing people have never complained about is switching 8% dmg to using crypt+AD. :) in response, the damage loss won't be noticeable, as the actual damage nerf doesn't border on 5%. With 4taa you will deal even more damage, but that's a plus.
Question: skimmed through the comments and didnt see anyone else ask. What is the differennce between an auto conc and just conc? Referring to the sweaty rotation that was shown lol. Im pretty nooby to pvm, so not the most familiar with certain terms or player mechs
I think the changes are good overall when just looking at combat. It does feel wrong to have a t95 staff and the highest level magic weapon in the game (apart from inq staff) being essentially a spec weapon. To me.the t95s should be the best in their style, but that's an ideological choice.
Very pleasantly surprised :) I love the consistency and cheaper upkeep of it while also adding skill to get the most out of it rather than relying soley on RNG. Still a bit confuses at how the majority of the community thinks it's underpowered given we have numbers now showing it's still good and also more consistent but anyways. What would be interesting is to see where channeler's ring and abs fall into the rotation now if included it all. I'm assuming channeler's is going to be a bit better to weave in now or camp due to the amount of channeled abilities being done during the spec. Am I right in assuming this ?
In live game I’m getting 450k DPM and in beta I’m getting 390k DPM while sweating and focusing between suns. My 36 second Sun rotations in live game would vary between 300k to 500k damage. Whereas in beta that number is probably a consistent 310-360k. The nerf is fine besides at P7 zammy cycle 2. Before if you fucked up your cycle 1 and dealt like 60k damage you could finish the kill. Now you might need to leave the kill.
I didn't test well on DPS check, but I believe it's better now than before. And the rotations have changed a lot in this new FSOA, so clearly your old rotation is going to do a lot less damage.
What this rebalance really does well is making FSOA not prone to insane powerboost with any form of crit buffs. Adding a 5-10% crit buff to Live servers right now would absolutely break fsoa and make everything easy mode, due to recerssive autos and how higher % stack exponentially. The beta completely removes that as an issue, and leaves Fsoa open to be a super strong weapon without Jagex fearing for the game balance if they want to add a new ability that increase crit, etc. I will miss Aoe and Heal, but those really needed to go, they completely broke the game in ways it shouldn't have been possible to break it. I'm actually very postitive to this rebalance. Great work Jagex! More like this please!
I'm definitely for the FSOA changes (hard to call it a nerf at this point) mainly because of the consistency. The reason I prefer melee over ranged and mage pre-fsoa change is because melee is overall a lot less rng reliant on crits and/or hydrix procs. I picked up a fsoa about a month ago and have fell in love with it when it goes brrrr but outside of that I find it can also be very lackluster with bad rng. I also love 4 ticking so that's another +1 for me. As for animate dead I think it potentially got tagged a bit too hard mainly for the typeless damage. I think maybe make it 25-50% as effective on typless rather than making it not work at all would be better. I think the number adjustment otherwise is fine though, animate is definitely too strong in the current game.
Ranged is extremely consistent with bolg, if you use deathspores it can be a little annoying to build the stacks, but if you switch a little early incend -> basic -> grico -> (fill) -> free DS with crit buff feels amazing
I've had my fair share of issues with Jagex for a while. But THIS change is how you should do game development. Removing such a range of DPS due to RNG and improving consistency. And allowing the community to actually beta test the change to fine tune it from there. Why it took so long to get to this point I don't know. But I am glad they are finally there.
Can you possibly make a guide on damage rotations for different stages of the game where people don’t have concentrated blast or greater rico stuff like that, I got my buddy to start playing rs3 instead of wow but he quit after getting like 90+ combats curses ovls got to the point of bossing and quit because he couldn’t find any good resources on damage rotations what gear to go for first etc and I’m not very good at the game either so I don’t know
This obviously assumes t92 dual weild as well as the staff. I wonder for myself, only having t88 wand and orb with the staff, am I better off camping the staff for the spec. Or still camp dual weild due to gconc being so good ? Great vid Ryan and definitely the question on everyone’s mind at the moment.
Actually not. The damage increase on higher tier weapons is still close to that of a normal ~2% max t88->t92 upgrade (based on FSOA procs). So it would still be better to use seasinger. I myself did interesting rotations with seism wand + attuned crystal wand and got the same 340K-360k damage a few times.
@@alexmatte hey mate thanks for the reply! So will kalg still be the best familiar to use for most bosses ? I use a ripper at zuk because I only really fsoa 2 times per run
There’s no reason to put it in an eof. It’s still 1 inventory space either way. You’re either switching weapon to spec, or switching ammy. And you would camp the ammy for the whole spec as you’d want to utilise gstaff which would mean more switching.
I logged back into rs3 to liquidate my bank and transferred all the gp to old school. I was going to come back, but they nerfed my crutch. Now I have a fsoa in osrs(the shadow) :P
I’m glad the change wasn’t as harsh as I initially thought it was when I read the dev blog. I’m all for more damage at the cost of higher skill ceiling
@@jazzysingh001 Switchscape should not be mandatory, but you should be rewarded for putting in more effort. It’s a meritocracy. You don’t need 400k dpm for end-game pvm. However if you want those faster kills, you should have to use your brain to do it.
Honestly the change from Auto-attacks to Ability Damage is what I fixated on the most. It is good that it will reduce the consumption of runes drastically, and the lack of additional spell effects raises the skill level slightly. However the one thing that doesn't feel right is, well... the Dual-wield camping. It really is a bummer to see a weapon of such Prestige being relegated to simply being a Special Attack, and not much more. Even Greater Sonic Wave, a level 75 Magic ability, whose purpose was to level the playing field between 2h vs. Dual-wield, failed to do so given the numbers, and now will do so even less. Perhaps someday we might get a min-Weapon Diversity patch, where 2h's have a passive, and Dual-wield has a passive. (And this can be for all weapons of any tier, across all styles)
I get the reasons for this but I really dislike no spell usage, it just gives even less usefulness to the spell book instead of being rewarded for utilizing more of it surprising with blood, aoe, and things like auroras. I am glad the numbers are better than expected though. I know this was not the point of the video but how are you getting an auto after the gstaff and before gconc? G staff eof with DW and then a DW 4t auto? Also would be interested to see similar info on AD. Thanks for the content, well done!
@@TheRealZombot that's good to know they classify the spec as a basic, thank you. Still though, the loss of variety of usefulness is disappointing to me, seems like they didn't like blood barrage heals and everything else had to go with it...
i knew this was going to be the case, wish i had posted somewhere. being able to cheesing gconc+abs on dual camp with channelers ring is nuts obviously the blood heals will be missed, that coupled with animate dead nerf is going to make some content harder. specifically high enr zammy, but who knows, power creep is always around the corner, and ppl might start using blood reaver to get 100k heals per kills now that crit chance isnt AS HUGEEEEEEE with the recursiveness. I do hate that it makes 4taa super important again. I wish they would get rid of that tbh, such a dumb tech imo. thanks for the video rsguy
I’ve never been top tier Pvmer altho I’ve kill 90 percent of monster with the exception of group Pvm ex raids… im glad they didn’t completely destroy this weapon im looking forward to getting one
Changes were neccessary but bringing back 4taa without addressing it or giving any idea on how to fix the underlying issues in the future is frustrating. This is a bandaid for a single weapon.
Doesn't seem to me like the changes accomplish a fix for the problems they identified beyond arguably upkeep cost (was using ~50% of the runes compared to normal on beta worlds). Any future crit releases will still stack multiplicatively for magic compared to other styles and as you (and the other big names) are claiming the damage is still as good or better than where it is currently, where they claim to be uncomfortable with it. On top of that they've destroyed FSOA as an actual physical weapon unless you 4taa, as it's just something to equip once a minute for the spec now. I would have rather seen a cap on the amount of crit the staff can utilize, which would lead to interesting choices for players in the future. If the staff can only benefit from 35% crit, maybe they introduce a new hood for magic in the future with 5% crit on it. Meaning people could go with a ripper demon instead of a kalg, or some new invention perk over biting. Or an armor set that gives 10% crit, meaning you could swap grim out for a Ful/Jas book. They're overcomplicating things IMO, especially since we won't see anything in these new "reward spaces" they're creating for probably years. I say K.I.S.S.
Yeah I agree with the notion that they didn’t really achieve what they were trying to accomplish. Ultimately this is a buff to magic because you have significantly reduced upkeep costs while either maintaining or actually doing even more damage than on live game. This does basically nothing to address their original problem.
4:26 It just proves what I've always said, the current RNG is garbage. Sometimes I didn't even skip P1 right on Raksha. There were others that she just didn't even use Tail Swip. 😅
Would this suggest that putting the fsoa into an eof would be a decent idea? Seems the only reason to use it would be for gsonic or tempest, neither of which greatly affect spec much at all.
Don't eof.. its 1 inv space either way, and you'd have to camp the ammy I believe and not use gstaff eof, even if you're allowed to use another eof.. still a switch so a waste
@@Mogardie i wasnt an elite pvmer anyways. and i'd rather be dealing an X amount of consistent damage than having to pray to get enough crits to get a skip. If i get a skip, i want to get it because im good enough to actually get it, not because my crits procced enough.
@@siegdarklyon1900 the damage is only consistent if you don’t have to deal with mechanics. A place like Raksha or kerapac it will be the same. Most other bosses where you have to move or use a defensive or phase your damage will be worse
i will miss the aoe and rather had them having the fsoa like this from the start instead of beeing used to it for so long now.. but on the other hand this can make roles a thing again too.. i'm just like whatever on this
Thanks for the reply and keep up the great content! Looks like my ABS EOF may be overwritten by the staff and I’ll finally cave and toss T88s for praesuls.
I think mr staff is completely fine, but man the changes to animate dead no longer working on typeless really hurts with also no longer having blood barrage autos. Taking a lot more self damage from tendrils(which typically doesn't matter) , and then things like kerapac lightning where, before you could do reflect/debil/dome and take about 55-90 damage from it, and on the beta you're taking about 550s, same thing goes for some old content like telos or araxxor, font damage, virus damage, reflected web damage, bleed damage, and darkness damage are all now back to how they used to be. Also things like afk helwyr will no longer be possible since the mushrooms are also typeless. So this actually removes a lot of comfortability from just a few pieces of content and.. i don't know if that's a good thing or not. Obviously across the board the changes to AD are better for the game but.. just kinda sucks that a lot of these older less relevant bosses(like araxxor) are now just.. more annoying to do.
@@allstarr9tc It doesn't really have anything to do with being invincible, and just reducing the entry level pvm stuff and making it more difficult for most people. These were the things that hit me the hardest, as someone who doesn't do higher end pvm, the hardest thing i do is HM kerapac, which i have almost 1k kills. And the games been blatantly designed to make older content either, irrelevant or significantly easier. People don't even consider GWD2 bosses a thing anymore or any remote challenge, for exactly that reason. I think it's great training wheels that people can eventually get rid of by choice or not.
@@killer109536 it’s way beyond training wheels if you just entirely ignore mechanics with it And yes it does have to do with making you nearly invincible.. lol that’s the entire issue with it.
No. Can literally just switch and spec then switch back to dual wield. It's not like the ECB where you have to use the ranged wep you have spec'd with.
Only if they truly want 0 switching but you'll be forced to camp the eof and have to switch to gstaff eof afterwards, so either way you're switching something.. so not really 0 switching Even if you can still keep spec and switch amulets back.. it's still a 1 item switch and 1 inv space
Pretty disingenuous comparison since you started with 12 exsang in the beta rotation and had a pretty bad rotation in live game, overall it’s likely to be around a 5-6% dps loss which isn’t bad but saying it’s more damage now is just completely wrong unless you didn’t know how to use the staff before.
I exsang swapped both in the beta and in the live game.. (Except for one or two sun rots, that I disqualified before doing calcs). Possible I chose bad clips in the video as it was more background than anything else. All of my testing was done live as well if you want to look at it yourself. Also fwiw I don't care what they do with the FSOA, the idea that I'm pushing a false narrative to get it changed is asinine. This is a video of me sharing what I found, nothing more.
@@TheRSGuy I was wrong about the pre building exsang my bad for that part. Still stand by the low balling of the max effort live game sun, for an avg player the new staff may yield better damage but I think it could be misconstrued as being an all around buff. It isn’t nearly as bad of a nerf as people expected prior to the beta but in the max effort category it is definitely a nerf.
4TAA being back is terrible as heck, on-top of that we're turning another weapon into a spec/eof fodder. the damage should have been reduced. but the feel and identity shouldn't have been changed: Recursive critical hits, actually using the weapon during the spec. how they should have approached the FSOA nerf: Instability (the spec buff) applies a -10% critical hit chance to you & your critical hit chance is hard capped at 33% and both of these are numbers that can be adjusted later on until the damage output falls in line with the rest.
4TAA is not mandatory, though. It is a choice. Also, there is literally no reason to put a FSOA into an EOF. If you've done so, you are extremely silly for doing so. And your proposed FSOA spec is honestly extremely lackluster. Also, to be frank, a lot worse than what the beta currently does.
Kind of suprised that 4taa is as good as it is with the proposed changes. Personally i like it but i see tons of people don’t for whatever reason. Either way i think the changes are great, the consistency is something i’m a massive fan of, and the recruisive hits seemed very silly and way too rng based. So big W for me
But hey it isn’t my game….I’ve been playing the last 4/5yrs constantly I was able to get around tk learning solo(rago(nm),kera,ambi,zammy(300-500%s,solak) im pretty decent at pvm the fact there nerfing the weapon I only enjoy it’s fucking crazy… gl to them n rest of the community but i irl sold my entire account 550$ duces rs3 been a good 14yrs 👋🏾👋🏾
@@fredgardnerdavis-vw8bn You quit RS because they nerfed a broken weapon? Damage is still pretty decent, and even better if you get your shit down better.. it's just higher skill ceilings for more damage. If you actually sold your account over this then you way overreacted
In my opinion, it would be better if they just delete the fsoa spec alltogether and make it a passive. This will prevent forced weapon swapping for optimal dps, it'll prevent fsoa from being eof food and it'll make the staff actually feel like a t95. Then give it a spec which increases crit chance for 5% for 10 seconds, costing 20% adren or something and call it a day.
this update has singlehandedly made me quit this game, well, this and 4taa nerfs. I've been a mager for years, all the effort i put into learning rotations and 4taa is just gone. Mage has always been the combat style to reward more effort, now its braindead. like you said, the skill floor is higher, thats fine, however the skill ceiling has just collapsed in on itself.
@@Gordo525 tbh im on my last straw anyway with the game rn, ive played for 15 years so my patience is running thin with it. ive switched to osrs in the mean time lol
"Magic is broken because of animate dead, the healing ability of blood spells and the DPS from the fractured staff of armadyl. Let's nerf it! by making it even better DPS!" Brilliant. This is why games like WOW and ESO are doing significantly better with player retention. Those games understand the need for variety and diversification in strategy. When the answer to 95% of an MMORPGs PVE problems is "just mage it" it really detracts from the entire experience and lowers the potential enjoyment of the game.
I'm pretty disappointed with the changes so far. I was hoping for a significant hit to magic dpm, but I guess mage remains jagex's favorite child. It is what it is I suppose :/
Hard to like these changes. It brings back 4taa that most hated. It was big reason they did the change in the first place. Plus now the staff is just a spec weapon.
You'd quit because of a change like this? Bro tf? Even if they nuked it, that wouldn't make mage irrelevant + there are two other fun combat styles... but this is barely a nerf anyway. So many babies in this comment section frfr.
That dmg numbers 390k to 420k seem very fishy to me that doesn't make sense pure mathematical. I will test this tomorrow by myself but there is 100% something not right. The Overall Dpm should at minimum be 64-110k lower. Even with full 4 tick rotation. Which i do. And more APM does not matter at all because of global CD. Dude..
You can watch my vod from yesterday, I conducted all the testing on stream and it was witnessed by 600+ people There's no universe it should be as low as you're saying, being able to Gconc is a massive buff to the special attack that more than counters the lower damage per crit
@@TheRSGuy So i currently work on a hit by hit comparison from Live Game to beta from Auto Attacks and Ability Damage. In fact i can already tell the Hit by hit comparison Shows a big diffrence in numbers nearly 2000 less dmg per estimated max hit. I will fully work this out today atleast the raw numbers i play test everything step by step (vuln/smoke/Blood spell stacks, ovls, prayer) just to be safe! After that i will do combos and upload the full numbers, math to reddit and the Rs Forums. Even with out the recursiv crits it's a decrease in dmg by a lot. At max 1 Fsoa spec you can use 5... greater concs without canceling 5 sec CD 3,6 sec channeling cd starts at first hit time lose 1 around 0,6 to 1 sec 6 sec total CD without 4 Tick .. I haven't tested the full value of g conc yet in this which i will do later on but based on raw numbers of the Staff " alone" it is an decrease by around -23 rounded% raw dmg estimated Max hit by hit comparison from current state and that just from 1 Hit no recursiv or anything. Just from Auto to Ability Dmg. I will work this out as deep as possible for me. I already did like 2 Pages of numbers what used/ equip step by step. As soon as i am done i can say more. Edit: The exact number is 773 dmg less per hit than in the Live game! On every stage.
I tried it out as well and found that it was incredibly consistent and like the changes. Rewards effort but doesn't punish that badly for the ones that just camp dual or 2h. A nice edit might be to make the ability either single target or multi target based on selected spell or something like that.
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A little weird to me that they removed rune costs from fsoa spec but said “arrow consumption rates are fine”. BIS ranged is like 15m+/hr to run
15m an hour? Maybe if you’re using grim instead of ful book lol
@@zombieepx1933 yes that would be bis
Mage was more lol
@@aurah8245 mage is more if you camp incite fear, simply do not camp incite fear and your costs drop drastically. Exsang costs ~1650 per cast, incite fear costs ~6500 lol. Get your 5 stacks and switch to exsang, better dps and costs less
@@peterkirk8510 exsanf uses more tunes than incite. Incite only uses runes building up stacks and on the passive procs. But now with the new fsoa changes it’ll be cheaper but we also can’t do blood barrage for quick heals during things like zammy phases to no food
What are your thought on the proposed GSonic change posted by mod Doom?
Greater Sonic Wave
60%-170% ability damage,
- On-hit: gain 8 stacks of flow for 4.25.
Flow
• Increases your hit chance by 1% per
stack.
- Increases your base ability damage by
1% per stack.
Proof or gtfo. mfs these days be saying jmods propose things when its actually just their idea.
Still too weak compared to g conc
Imo, they should beta it all. And until they found a viable fix, make gconc and gsonic have identical perks.
My main concern is that the FSOA will be relegated to a eof spec like how the Ezk is. It’s personal preference but i would like to just camp the FSOA (especially as it’s t95) and not feel like I’m “holding myself back” by not using t88 dw. I feel like if they can close the gap a bit more between gconc and gsonic it will sting a bit less for those of us who don’t want to rely on switching. I’m not looking for speed kills, I just want to be able to use a high tier weapon I spent a lot on. I’m not expecting a 1:1 damage comparison to dw. I just don’t like how a bis weapon gets relegated to “hit spec then switch.” (Context this is coming from someone who is not a high tier PvMer)
Reasonable tbh
This. A t95 staff is outdamaged by some t88 dual wields and it makes zero sense.
Kinda sucks that for a lore stance- the Staff of Armadyl, the weapon that's been mystified since 2002 in Temple of Ikov, will now just a spec switch weapon.
Another eof to the collection.
@@MrReid00 oooo
Well it's not the staff of Armadyl. That one went into Erebus with Kerapac. What we have is a fractured, imperfect, time clone created by the needle.
@@carlost856 it's the same staff.. the kerapac you fight is the one before Erebus lol.
@@carlost856no we have the real staff, fractured by kerapac overloading it
Do you have a guide or know of a good guide that goes over the higher level gear upgrades and how to use them that allow you to get that level of dps? My sunshine rotation gets about 150k damage and It's hard to see where I can improve.
Try pvme's upgrades channel and the magic dpm advice channel.
I just love how transparent jagex is being with all this. Giving an active beta to test a major change for alot of players is good so huge props to them.
In relation to the actual changes i entirely agree. Its a little sad Gsonic is sorta dead on release but sometimes thats how it is. Excited to see what these changes then allow jagex to do which they seem to say the current live FSOA is limiting creativity. Love the video and big props all round to lots of content creators namely yourself, PuP and Rocket being your slave yesterday haha!
With the new gsonic rework coming on Tuesday, the jmods hinted that future updates would work to buff the "flow" effect that gsonic is going to provide. Seems like it'll get stronger overtime which is cool to see
Mod Doom a posted it!
Greater Sonic Wave
Basic Ability
60%-170% ability damage,
- On-hit: gain 8 stacks of flow for 4.25.
Flow
• Increases your hit chance by 1% per
stack.
- Increases your base ability damage by
1% per stack.
Now BOLG is the new meta
My concern is that jagex will see the 410k damage number with 4taa and nerf the staff even further because it's currently a buff if you 4taa. And again, we'll have magic content handicapped because of 4taa, limiting those that don't want to use it. A 4taa change is probably needed at this point. 410k over 360k is like a 14% increase, which is massive.
Bingo. Kill 4taa. It's more DPS than managing 12 exsanguinate stacks alongside incite fear.
4taa should have been removed years ago. Its dumb
I’m fine with 4taa existing, I just believe it shouldn’t ever be >5% dps increase. I’m fine with people who want to sweat dealing more damage to me, but I don’t want to feel like I’m kneecapping myself because I’m only using it at end game bosses.
the new fsoa swich? why not make it eof aswell ? jagex worked so hard on melee especialy/ enchantments to not swich weapons as mouch but I think we are back in the swichscape meta
Do you have clips of DPM over 2-4 minutes?
I'm 50/50 on the change, but as someone who has bad rng XD I do enjoy the fact it won't be punishing for that. Definitely great seeing and hearing what/how you used it and the rotations as well. I use all three combat styles and I've always favored range anyways. Oh yeah,. HUGE props to the Jagex Dev team for this, having a beta world(s) and allowing players to access it, is a MASSIVE WIN in my book, wish/hope Jagex stays consistent with this now, if there's ever anymore changes that can/could affect the outcome on a style.
You don't have bad rng. Nobody does. That's not a thing.
@Gustopher 😂 yes it is. If it wasn't a thing, items would be a lot cheaper, getting more crits/adrenaline gain would be much more consistent. To say no bad RNG doesn't exist for a game is laughable.
@@PercivalKing you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. By saying you don't have bad rng I mean you don't have a luck value assigned to your account. Obviously if you kill a boss 100 time you can have good/bad rng for your drops or your damage etc, but that doesn't say anything about your account.
@Gustopher in short, you just said everything that is RNG. Random number generator. 🤨
I think if they had it use the spell effect without consuming runes and removed the recurring crit effect (special effect can't reproc special effect and no additional runes consumed) it would have made more sense so that spell selection still was situationally modifiable, but other than that the change is good, it was way to strong with recurring crits being enabled and now feels like a weapon instead of a death touch dart on a roulette table
Can someone answer this question please. Shouldn’t I just put my fsoa in my eof and camp dual wields and spam the spec? I don’t want to loose 1.6b to find out it doesn’t work lol. Thanks.
im not the best at the game, but i think that having an fsoa in a eof would be a waste, youd have to swap something anyways if you want a guthix stuff in another eof, so id just keep the fsoa out and just swap to it use the spec and swap back
only thing i dislike about the change is last one. u cant heal from hit as u use to
You can’t heal? Unusable
Tbh that was mega broken
Yeah I mean.. I've been a broke pvmer for a long time slowly upgrading but I'm honestly glad I never got to experience the op staff cuz it made actually learning bosses a fun grind lol
It can heal yes, and still offers a decent heal. Just switch to blood barrage and use Dark Form pray. But obviously it's not the same ~7k HP heal anymore
At least for me personally and my group of friends, we do the “sweaty” version of sunshine fsoa rotation on live (390k dmg), but dislike the idea of having to do 4taa (410k dmg) when the changes come through.
In this instance, if we choose to not 4taa but still be “sweaty” and not camp one wep type or the other would we see a decrease in damage?
My numbers are 450k DPM in live game vs 390k DPM in beta.
It no longer makes much sense for people to say that the loss of damage from not doing 4taa is a bad thing in these cases. Since people still used 4taa before (out of spec). Also another thing people have never complained about is switching 8% dmg to using crypt+AD. :) in response, the damage loss won't be noticeable, as the actual damage nerf doesn't border on 5%. With 4taa you will deal even more damage, but that's a plus.
Question: skimmed through the comments and didnt see anyone else ask. What is the differennce between an auto conc and just conc? Referring to the sweaty rotation that was shown lol. Im pretty nooby to pvm, so not the most familiar with certain terms or player mechs
Auto conc means you equip a staff, force an auto attack, and then put on dual wield for conc
@@TheRSGuy thank you!!
I think the changes are good overall when just looking at combat. It does feel wrong to have a t95 staff and the highest level magic weapon in the game (apart from inq staff) being essentially a spec weapon.
To me.the t95s should be the best in their style, but that's an ideological choice.
Very pleasantly surprised :) I love the consistency and cheaper upkeep of it while also adding skill to get the most out of it rather than relying soley on RNG. Still a bit confuses at how the majority of the community thinks it's underpowered given we have numbers now showing it's still good and also more consistent but anyways.
What would be interesting is to see where channeler's ring and abs fall into the rotation now if included it all. I'm assuming channeler's is going to be a bit better to weave in now or camp due to the amount of channeled abilities being done during the spec. Am I right in assuming this ?
Chaneller is meta, ABS is not
@@TheRSGuy thank you sir :)
@@TheRSGuy so rip eof abs?
no mention of the lack of adren gain from autos as we see in the live game?
Extra adren is only good if you have a way to spend it.
@@imc123456789 so essentially the extra adren + abs in live game is about the same as no extra + gconc spam in the beta?
Correct
In live game I’m getting 450k DPM and in beta I’m getting 390k DPM while sweating and focusing between suns. My 36 second Sun rotations in live game would vary between 300k to 500k damage. Whereas in beta that number is probably a consistent 310-360k. The nerf is fine besides at P7 zammy cycle 2. Before if you fucked up your cycle 1 and dealt like 60k damage you could finish the kill. Now you might need to leave the kill.
I didn't test well on DPS check, but I believe it's better now than before. And the rotations have changed a lot in this new FSOA, so clearly your old rotation is going to do a lot less damage.
That's a HUGE drop in dps you clown
60k reduction in damage is fine........
@@tamidobi856 during a live kill it’s more likely close to 30% reeducation with mechanics
If you just use the staff to afk on revolution how does the update effect that? What would the new dps increase from nox staff to fsoa be?
If you afk you don't special attack anyways so there's no difference made with this update
What this rebalance really does well is making FSOA not prone to insane powerboost with any form of crit buffs. Adding a 5-10% crit buff to Live servers right now would absolutely break fsoa and make everything easy mode, due to recerssive autos and how higher % stack exponentially. The beta completely removes that as an issue, and leaves Fsoa open to be a super strong weapon without Jagex fearing for the game balance if they want to add a new ability that increase crit, etc. I will miss Aoe and Heal, but those really needed to go, they completely broke the game in ways it shouldn't have been possible to break it. I'm actually very postitive to this rebalance. Great work Jagex! More like this please!
I'm definitely for the FSOA changes (hard to call it a nerf at this point) mainly because of the consistency. The reason I prefer melee over ranged and mage pre-fsoa change is because melee is overall a lot less rng reliant on crits and/or hydrix procs. I picked up a fsoa about a month ago and have fell in love with it when it goes brrrr but outside of that I find it can also be very lackluster with bad rng. I also love 4 ticking so that's another +1 for me.
As for animate dead I think it potentially got tagged a bit too hard mainly for the typeless damage. I think maybe make it 25-50% as effective on typless rather than making it not work at all would be better. I think the number adjustment otherwise is fine though, animate is definitely too strong in the current game.
Ranged is extremely consistent with bolg, if you use deathspores it can be a little annoying to build the stacks, but if you switch a little early incend -> basic -> grico -> (fill) -> free DS with crit buff feels amazing
Agree
so is eof armadyl battlestaff still used in rotation? i noticed u were using gstaff
I've had my fair share of issues with Jagex for a while. But THIS change is how you should do game development. Removing such a range of DPS due to RNG and improving consistency. And allowing the community to actually beta test the change to fine tune it from there. Why it took so long to get to this point I don't know. But I am glad they are finally there.
Also not giving a shit about the poll they did and releasing to game as they want haha
There is only 1 thing I like bout this so far. It dropped the price of fsoa enough for me to afford it lmao
Can you possibly make a guide on damage rotations for different stages of the game where people don’t have concentrated blast or greater rico stuff like that, I got my buddy to start playing rs3 instead of wow but he quit after getting like 90+ combats curses ovls got to the point of bossing and quit because he couldn’t find any good resources on damage rotations what gear to go for first etc and I’m not very good at the game either so I don’t know
This obviously assumes t92 dual weild as well as the staff. I wonder for myself, only having t88 wand and orb with the staff, am I better off camping the staff for the spec. Or still camp dual weild due to gconc being so good ? Great vid Ryan and definitely the question on everyone’s mind at the moment.
Actually not. The damage increase on higher tier weapons is still close to that of a normal ~2% max t88->t92 upgrade (based on FSOA procs).
So it would still be better to use seasinger.
I myself did interesting rotations with seism wand + attuned crystal wand and got the same 340K-360k damage a few times.
@@alexmatte hey mate thanks for the reply! So will kalg still be the best familiar to use for most bosses ?
I use a ripper at zuk because I only really fsoa 2 times per run
@@ParkedKar yep. On Zuk you can also use Blood Reaver for better healing with his spec.
The question is does this make the fsoa now an EOF item while you just camp duel wield?
There’s no reason to put it in an eof. It’s still 1 inventory space either way. You’re either switching weapon to spec, or switching ammy. And you would camp the ammy for the whole spec as you’d want to utilise gstaff which would mean more switching.
Is the abs in eof even good anymore? And how come nobody is talking about the invig perk? It ruined it also
4taa. Invig is still bis. If you don't 4taa then yeah swap it.
Does this make channelers ring better than reavers now? Would be interested to see the dps difference since the autos can’t crit
Yes. Especially if you have the enchantment
I like the changes. One I don’t like is not being able to aoe with blood barrage anymore other than auto attacking *sad face*
I logged back into rs3 to liquidate my bank and transferred all the gp to old school. I was going to come back, but they nerfed my crutch. Now I have a fsoa in osrs(the shadow) :P
I’m glad the change wasn’t as harsh as I initially thought it was when I read the dev blog. I’m all for more damage at the cost of higher skill ceiling
So we want this game to become more switch escape
@@jazzysingh001 Switchscape should not be mandatory, but you should be rewarded for putting in more effort. It’s a meritocracy. You don’t need 400k dpm for end-game pvm. However if you want those faster kills, you should have to use your brain to do it.
Honestly the change from Auto-attacks to Ability Damage is what I fixated on the most. It is good that it will reduce the consumption of runes drastically, and the lack of additional spell effects raises the skill level slightly. However the one thing that doesn't feel right is, well... the Dual-wield camping. It really is a bummer to see a weapon of such Prestige being relegated to simply being a Special Attack, and not much more. Even Greater Sonic Wave, a level 75 Magic ability, whose purpose was to level the playing field between 2h vs. Dual-wield, failed to do so given the numbers, and now will do so even less.
Perhaps someday we might get a min-Weapon Diversity patch, where 2h's have a passive, and Dual-wield has a passive. (And this can be for all weapons of any tier, across all styles)
Don’t know if you’ve seen but they’re buffing G-Sonic Wave.
@@Ivysaurss Ah I have not. Is this in the Beta or was it stated on Reddit/Twitter/something?
And was there a statement regarding potential changes, or just that it will receive a bit of a buff?
is abs spec still worthwhile?
I get the reasons for this but I really dislike no spell usage, it just gives even less usefulness to the spell book instead of being rewarded for utilizing more of it surprising with blood, aoe, and things like auroras. I am glad the numbers are better than expected though.
I know this was not the point of the video but how are you getting an auto after the gstaff and before gconc? G staff eof with DW and then a DW 4t auto?
Also would be interested to see similar info on AD. Thanks for the content, well done!
Exsanguinate stacks affect fsoa proc damage.
@@TheRealZombot that's good to know they classify the spec as a basic, thank you. Still though, the loss of variety of usefulness is disappointing to me, seems like they didn't like blood barrage heals and everything else had to go with it...
@@FluffySheep222 I agree with you.
Still dont know how to 4taa😢
I remember wanting to get this for legacy but they effectively removed the spec from legacy
Am I right?
i knew this was going to be the case, wish i had posted somewhere. being able to cheesing gconc+abs on dual camp with channelers ring is nuts
obviously the blood heals will be missed, that coupled with animate dead nerf is going to make some content harder. specifically high enr zammy, but who knows, power creep is always around the corner, and ppl might start using blood reaver to get 100k heals per kills now that crit chance isnt AS HUGEEEEEEE with the recursiveness.
I do hate that it makes 4taa super important again. I wish they would get rid of that tbh, such a dumb tech imo.
thanks for the video rsguy
I’ve never been top tier Pvmer altho I’ve kill 90 percent of monster with the exception of group Pvm ex raids… im glad they didn’t completely destroy this weapon im looking forward to getting one
I think this new update is even more noob friendly.
Except for anime dead regress
Oh look it’s me with the vit suit 👀
Will this mean invigorating is not a BIS perk for magic anymore?
It's bis if you 4taa otherwise it's not really needed
Changes were neccessary but bringing back 4taa without addressing it or giving any idea on how to fix the underlying issues in the future is frustrating. This is a bandaid for a single weapon.
As a nooby player, this means switchcape gets buffed and nonswitches are nerfed?
Doesn't seem to me like the changes accomplish a fix for the problems they identified beyond arguably upkeep cost (was using ~50% of the runes compared to normal on beta worlds). Any future crit releases will still stack multiplicatively for magic compared to other styles and as you (and the other big names) are claiming the damage is still as good or better than where it is currently, where they claim to be uncomfortable with it. On top of that they've destroyed FSOA as an actual physical weapon unless you 4taa, as it's just something to equip once a minute for the spec now.
I would have rather seen a cap on the amount of crit the staff can utilize, which would lead to interesting choices for players in the future. If the staff can only benefit from 35% crit, maybe they introduce a new hood for magic in the future with 5% crit on it. Meaning people could go with a ripper demon instead of a kalg, or some new invention perk over biting. Or an armor set that gives 10% crit, meaning you could swap grim out for a Ful/Jas book.
They're overcomplicating things IMO, especially since we won't see anything in these new "reward spaces" they're creating for probably years. I say K.I.S.S.
Yeah I agree with the notion that they didn’t really achieve what they were trying to accomplish. Ultimately this is a buff to magic because you have significantly reduced upkeep costs while either maintaining or actually doing even more damage than on live game. This does basically nothing to address their original problem.
4:26 It just proves what I've always said, the current RNG is garbage. Sometimes I didn't even skip P1 right on Raksha. There were others that she just didn't even use Tail Swip. 😅
so its more consistent because of gconc spamming now?
yes
I love your videos Ryan they are the Shit!
Would this suggest that putting the fsoa into an eof would be a decent idea? Seems the only reason to use it would be for gsonic or tempest, neither of which greatly affect spec much at all.
Nah, you won’t be able to sell your fsoa. Plus youll have a g staff eof on, switchscape either way. Not to mention buying another eof lol
Don't eof.. its 1 inv space either way, and you'd have to camp the ammy I believe and not use gstaff eof, even if you're allowed to use another eof.. still a switch so a waste
If only fsoa camping how much is the dps difference?
Watch the video
crits are all good and fine, but consistency is far, far better.
And you will be dealing 20% less consistently in your boss fights unless you are an elite pvmer.
@@Mogardie i wasnt an elite pvmer anyways. and i'd rather be dealing an X amount of consistent damage than having to pray to get enough crits to get a skip. If i get a skip, i want to get it because im good enough to actually get it, not because my crits procced enough.
@@siegdarklyon1900 the damage is only consistent if you don’t have to deal with mechanics. A place like Raksha or kerapac it will be the same. Most other bosses where you have to move or use a defensive or phase your damage will be worse
I like the changes tbf dont mind them too much just the aoe that im goin to miss
Now BOLG is the new META & everyone is going to flock to it
i will miss the aoe and rather had them having the fsoa like this from the start instead of beeing used to it for so long now.. but on the other hand this can make roles a thing again too.. i'm just like whatever on this
So now it’s just a eof thing ?
why would you need to eof it
Thanks, Ryan!
Heads up, exsanguinate stacks affect damage of fsoa procs.
In the beta or live game?
@@Mogardie Beta
I just hate that they keep forcing weapon swapping to be viable..
I have no input because im a casual maxed player who literally will never afford it. Do whatever ya want!
Grim books bout to sky rocket from their plummet.
I wanted to try but this fucking staff is max cash??? These comments seem like everyone has one too!
yea its been out for years now lots of people have it, was the most farmed item for a long time
I guess my only question… is ABS EOF going to be definitively worthless post-change?
I wouldn't say worthless, but not likely to be used in most places
Thanks for the reply and keep up the great content!
Looks like my ABS EOF may be overwritten by the staff and I’ll finally cave and toss T88s for praesuls.
I think mr staff is completely fine, but man the changes to animate dead no longer working on typeless really hurts with also no longer having blood barrage autos. Taking a lot more self damage from tendrils(which typically doesn't matter) , and then things like kerapac lightning where, before you could do reflect/debil/dome and take about 55-90 damage from it, and on the beta you're taking about 550s, same thing goes for some old content like telos or araxxor, font damage, virus damage, reflected web damage, bleed damage, and darkness damage are all now back to how they used to be. Also things like afk helwyr will no longer be possible since the mushrooms are also typeless. So this actually removes a lot of comfortability from just a few pieces of content and.. i don't know if that's a good thing or not. Obviously across the board the changes to AD are better for the game but.. just kinda sucks that a lot of these older less relevant bosses(like araxxor) are now just.. more annoying to do.
You skip lightning anyways on kerapac so
why should you be invincible lol
@@allstarr9tc It doesn't really have anything to do with being invincible, and just reducing the entry level pvm stuff and making it more difficult for most people. These were the things that hit me the hardest, as someone who doesn't do higher end pvm, the hardest thing i do is HM kerapac, which i have almost 1k kills. And the games been blatantly designed to make older content either, irrelevant or significantly easier. People don't even consider GWD2 bosses a thing anymore or any remote challenge, for exactly that reason. I think it's great training wheels that people can eventually get rid of by choice or not.
@@killer109536 it’s way beyond training wheels if you just entirely ignore mechanics with it
And yes it does have to do with making you nearly invincible.. lol that’s the entire issue with it.
how much did runescape paid you for doing video like this?
Ironic that the best 2h weapon in game is backed up by a dw basic
So does this mean that fsoa is viable in an EOF?
No. Can literally just switch and spec then switch back to dual wield. It's not like the ECB where you have to use the ranged wep you have spec'd with.
Alright so everyone will be EoFing their FSoAs then?
Only if they truly want 0 switching but you'll be forced to camp the eof and have to switch to gstaff eof afterwards, so either way you're switching something.. so not really 0 switching
Even if you can still keep spec and switch amulets back.. it's still a 1 item switch and 1 inv space
I think they should remove crit requirement and maybe put a similar mechanic to BOTLG so that it will not be grim locked
So this is actually a buff to dualwield?! Praesuls go brr
Pretty disingenuous comparison since you started with 12 exsang in the beta rotation and had a pretty bad rotation in live game, overall it’s likely to be around a 5-6% dps loss which isn’t bad but saying it’s more damage now is just completely wrong unless you didn’t know how to use the staff before.
I exsang swapped both in the beta and in the live game.. (Except for one or two sun rots, that I disqualified before doing calcs). Possible I chose bad clips in the video as it was more background than anything else.
All of my testing was done live as well if you want to look at it yourself.
Also fwiw I don't care what they do with the FSOA, the idea that I'm pushing a false narrative to get it changed is asinine. This is a video of me sharing what I found, nothing more.
@@TheRSGuy I was wrong about the pre building exsang my bad for that part. Still stand by the low balling of the max effort live game sun, for an avg player the new staff may yield better damage but I think it could be misconstrued as being an all around buff. It isn’t nearly as bad of a nerf as people expected prior to the beta but in the max effort category it is definitely a nerf.
@The RS Guy the fact that your paid by jagex no one can completely trust your opinion.
now how much did rs3 pay you to sit here and say the changes are a good thing when I've yet to meet a single person in live game that agrees?
4TAA being back is terrible as heck, on-top of that we're turning another weapon into a spec/eof fodder. the damage should have been reduced. but the feel and identity shouldn't have been changed: Recursive critical hits, actually using the weapon during the spec.
how they should have approached the FSOA nerf:
Instability (the spec buff) applies a -10% critical hit chance to you & your critical hit chance is hard capped at 33% and both of these are numbers that can be adjusted later on until the damage output falls in line with the rest.
4TAA is not mandatory, though. It is a choice. Also, there is literally no reason to put a FSOA into an EOF. If you've done so, you are extremely silly for doing so.
And your proposed FSOA spec is honestly extremely lackluster. Also, to be frank, a lot worse than what the beta currently does.
It still won't go in an EOF since then it's main hand locked but I agree with 4TAA, it's very clunky and doesn't align well with other styles.
i can just hear all panic sellers crying
But yet the ezscapers still complaining
Kind of suprised that 4taa is as good as it is with the proposed changes. Personally i like it but i see tons of people don’t for whatever reason. Either way i think the changes are great, the consistency is something i’m a massive fan of, and the recruisive hits seemed very silly and way too rng based. So big W for me
The average rs player wants to pop on revo and get Luca teir kills. That's why they hate 4taa.
I think nerfing a weapons that’s been around for 2yrs is absolutely ridiculous
But hey it isn’t my game….I’ve been playing the last 4/5yrs constantly I was able to get around tk learning solo(rago(nm),kera,ambi,zammy(300-500%s,solak) im pretty decent at pvm the fact there nerfing the weapon I only enjoy it’s fucking crazy… gl to them n rest of the community but i irl sold my entire account 550$ duces rs3 been a good 14yrs 👋🏾👋🏾
@@fredgardnerdavis-vw8bn You quit RS because they nerfed a broken weapon? Damage is still pretty decent, and even better if you get your shit down better.. it's just higher skill ceilings for more damage. If you actually sold your account over this then you way overreacted
In my opinion, it would be better if they just delete the fsoa spec alltogether and make it a passive. This will prevent forced weapon swapping for optimal dps, it'll prevent fsoa from being eof food and it'll make the staff actually feel like a t95. Then give it a spec which increases crit chance for 5% for 10 seconds, costing 20% adren or something and call it a day.
R.I.P FSOA
not as bad as it couldve been
So they slightly nerfed the Fsoa and buffed DW rather nicely 😂 just a fair nerf to me 🤷🏻♂️
Should've kept my dw set 😂
RIP FSOA NOW ITS AN EOF FODDLER
No it's not lol
i think its a staff
this update has singlehandedly made me quit this game, well, this and 4taa nerfs. I've been a mager for years, all the effort i put into learning rotations and 4taa is just gone. Mage has always been the combat style to reward more effort, now its braindead. like you said, the skill floor is higher, thats fine, however the skill ceiling has just collapsed in on itself.
It’s highly possible that Necromancy will add back to that skill ceiling…
@@divineveral god i hope so lmao
nothing lasts forever. if you're going to quit over one update i'm surprised you made it this far into RS
@@Gordo525 tbh im on my last straw anyway with the game rn, ive played for 15 years so my patience is running thin with it. ive switched to osrs in the mean time lol
This is a buff, fsoa needs a nerf
What needs nerf is animate dead not fsoa.
Rip abs
"Magic is broken because of animate dead, the healing ability of blood spells and the DPS from the fractured staff of armadyl. Let's nerf it! by making it even better DPS!"
Brilliant. This is why games like WOW and ESO are doing significantly better with player retention. Those games understand the need for variety and diversification in strategy.
When the answer to 95% of an MMORPGs PVE problems is "just mage it" it really detracts from the entire experience and lowers the potential enjoyment of the game.
We're basing a t95 weapon on a broken basic ability.. Does this not sound fucking stupid?
I'm pretty disappointed with the changes so far. I was hoping for a significant hit to magic dpm, but I guess mage remains jagex's favorite child. It is what it is I suppose :/
Hard to like these changes. It brings back 4taa that most hated. It was big reason they did the change in the first place. Plus now the staff is just a spec weapon.
i hope its get nerfed to hell
Having to 4taa just feels clunky and like you are abusing something that is not meant to happen… so they made it mandatory 🤦🏻♂️ jesus
how about stop messing with the fsoa and leave it as it is ffs my membership will be getting cancelled if they bring the change
waaaaaaaaaaaah
You'd quit because of a change like this? Bro tf?
Even if they nuked it, that wouldn't make mage irrelevant + there are two other fun combat styles... but this is barely a nerf anyway. So many babies in this comment section frfr.
ALREADY CANCELLED MY SHIT
unsub from all paid gamers til they remember old ladies play this with phones
Huh?
Gross mage getting stronger again what a joke mage gets babied so hard even a nerf is a fkn buff
I mean it's basically a wash, it's almost identical to the live game
That dmg numbers 390k to 420k seem very fishy to me that doesn't make sense pure mathematical. I will test this tomorrow by myself but there is 100% something not right. The Overall Dpm should at minimum be 64-110k lower. Even with full 4 tick rotation. Which i do. And more APM does not matter at all because of global CD.
Dude..
You can watch my vod from yesterday, I conducted all the testing on stream and it was witnessed by 600+ people
There's no universe it should be as low as you're saying, being able to Gconc is a massive buff to the special attack that more than counters the lower damage per crit
dude..
@@TheRSGuy So i currently work on a hit by hit comparison from Live Game to beta from Auto Attacks and Ability Damage. In fact i can already tell the Hit by hit comparison Shows a big diffrence in numbers nearly 2000 less dmg per estimated max hit. I will fully work this out today atleast the raw numbers i play test everything step by step (vuln/smoke/Blood spell stacks, ovls, prayer) just to be safe!
After that i will do combos and upload the full numbers, math to reddit and the Rs Forums. Even with out the recursiv crits it's a decrease in dmg by a lot. At max 1 Fsoa spec you can use 5... greater concs without canceling 5 sec CD 3,6 sec channeling cd starts at first hit time lose 1 around 0,6 to 1 sec 6 sec total CD without 4 Tick .. I haven't tested the full value of g conc yet in this which i will do later on but based on raw numbers of the Staff " alone" it is an decrease by around -23 rounded% raw dmg estimated Max hit by hit comparison from current state and that just from 1 Hit no recursiv or anything. Just from Auto to Ability Dmg.
I will work this out as deep as possible for me. I already did like 2 Pages of numbers what used/ equip step by step. As soon as i am done i can say more.
Edit: The exact number is 773 dmg less per hit than in the Live game! On every stage.
fifth
First
I’m so tired of everything being turned into an eof dump. I mean as if we don’t already have too many. Jagex is honestly clueless