👍👍. I can use my Carter wise Choice or two other trigger releases ( Quickie plus, Stan Solex) without POI changing. For those that can’t interchange releases maybe a nose button would help them keep everything in alignment?
Other than the jaw opening different directions. I would suspect like this test. As long as the jaws open same direction. And.. you center the pin in the scope the same. They will hit the same. Even if you anchor changes. Peep n pin alignment is what would change impact. Now you anchors would feel strange or different but just so the peep n pin alignment are on point. The impacts would be the same. If you have any releases that open opposite of what you shot. I bet there a good chance your left n rights may slightly change?
@@PennNative so I actually had a lot of people that I spoke to that said opposite direction jaws will change impacts. So I got a hinge out with a jaw opposite of my other releases... Guess what? Stacked em in the same hole 🤷🏼♀️ I think unless you are getting torque or drag on the dloop the shot isn't affected. I think some lower quality caliper style releases will cause drag by the jaws not opening fully or quickly enough to get out of the way, but in that case you would see a decrease in consistency, not just a POI change.
I would be interested in seeing what your thoughts are on head position? I would love to be able to shoot with glasses on. But I have tried and tried. And I’m always looking through the bridge or the very corner of the frame.. Also your thoughts on string touching the nose vs along the side of the nose. For me I have tried and I really feel so much better when the string is along the side of the nose vs perfectly on the tip. That’s with the same bow and same draw length. I just feel like head position coupled with anchor is a very overlooked thing.
Ooh two topics! I'm actually planning on doing a video about shooting with glass on vs correcting vision through verifiers. You can push your glasses really close into your face or try some different clarifiers in your peep. I shoot with a Hamskea A+ and take my glasses off. I VERY briefly mention that in my BH tune video. I personally coach for people to touch the very tip of their nose to the string for alignment. You only have 1 tip of your nose but many sides to your nose. Harder to be consistent to anchor on soft, wide areas of the face. I also recommend anchoring your release with two knuckles on the corner of the jaw bone because it's very repeatable.
@@sarahhallgren I do split the jaw bone to anchor. The one thing I find. Like say Carter releases. I can anchor really well cause the have more space n spreads my fingers and that allow a very repeatable feeling anchor. Where if I shoot my TruBall release. There narrow. That makes my fingers closer together and my anchor don’t feel as solid.
@@PennNative release fit is VERY important! I've been shooting Carter for years because they are reliable, can be set very heavy, and are a good company. That being said there are more ergonomic releases, like Stan that comes in many sizes or that trufire sears release... I've broken many of those two brands tho so I'd rather have a bit of a chunky release that doesn't break.
This is an interesting test! I can say I have had some releases that did not change point of impact from one to the other and a few that did. Usually, when I get the POI change, it is because the jaw opens opposite of the release I am comparing it to. I've also noticed a difference occasionally where the geometry is substantially different between the two releases, which literally puts the D-loop in a different location on my jaw. Great video and awesome content. Thanks for taking time to share with us! 👍 🏹 🇺🇸
@@haroldrushton6735 thanks for sharing your experience! The last time I got a different POI out of a release was many years ago before I was proficient enough to be able to accurately compare. I do believe that drag from a release not opening quickly enough, or a twisted dloop can definitely affect POI. Some people have more of a horizontal hand placement when anchoring as compared to a more vertical position. This can also affect the directional pull on the d-loop. Definitely a point to consider!
I shoot Hot Shot Mfg thumb buttons. The hook swings the same direction as it would on a hinge. My POI remains the same with a hinge, but when I shoot a release like a Carter with the hook opening the other direction, I have a slight POI change.
@@TD2821 I have a variety of releases with different angles of jaws, and either closed or open jaws as well giving me the same POI. I haven't shot a hot shot though. I wonder if there is drag on the d-loop or the dloop is twisting due to hand position or hook direction. Maybe I can find another release and add to the test.
@@sarahhallgren I think loop torque could definitely be a contributing factor. The Carter that I compared it to was A wise choice which as you know does not have an exposed hook.
@@TD2821 definitely a consideration! I'm not a fan of the wise choice personally. There's a lot going on in the shape of the release. I think the body of the release gets too involved where the jaw and string meet. Carter makes excellent releases but I recommend a large variety of styles above that one.
If the jaws open different direction the way it comes off the d-loop will 100% change rhe impact left and right. It will either slightly flick the loop on way or the other depending on the way the jaw opens. If i shoot my UV button then my nock2it I hit significantly left of right depending on what release my scope is sighted too. Up and down not changed but left and right is definitely different. Oh and i also have a nose button tied in so that did not effect anything for me either
I have heard several people say hook direction will affect their impact point. I figure that's only fair to try out, so I grabbed a different hinge today that opens opposite of my thumb button yet I still got the same point of impact down range. I shot several groups with both and no change in height or left/right for me.
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👍👍. I can use my Carter wise Choice or two other trigger releases ( Quickie plus, Stan Solex) without POI changing. For those that can’t interchange releases maybe a nose button would help them keep everything in alignment?
@@timbow50 I think nose buttons are helpful for many people. Whatever helps to keep you in consistent alignment!
Other than the jaw opening different directions. I would suspect like this test. As long as the jaws open same direction. And.. you center the pin in the scope the same. They will hit the same. Even if you anchor changes. Peep n pin alignment is what would change impact. Now you anchors would feel strange or different but just so the peep n pin alignment are on point.
The impacts would be the same.
If you have any releases that open opposite of what you shot. I bet there a good chance your left n rights may slightly change?
@@PennNative so I actually had a lot of people that I spoke to that said opposite direction jaws will change impacts. So I got a hinge out with a jaw opposite of my other releases... Guess what? Stacked em in the same hole 🤷🏼♀️
I think unless you are getting torque or drag on the dloop the shot isn't affected. I think some lower quality caliper style releases will cause drag by the jaws not opening fully or quickly enough to get out of the way, but in that case you would see a decrease in consistency, not just a POI change.
@@sarahhallgrenvery interesting! Thanks for sharing your findings!
Wierd backhand motion but okay 😂
@@SouthernCrossMMA everyone knows not to stand behind me when I'm shooting 😂
I would be interested in seeing what your thoughts are on head position?
I would love to be able to shoot with glasses on. But I have tried and tried. And I’m always looking through the bridge or the very corner of the frame..
Also your thoughts on string touching the nose vs along the side of the nose. For me I have tried and I really feel so much better when the string is along the side of the nose vs perfectly on the tip. That’s with the same bow and same draw length. I just feel like head position coupled with anchor is a very overlooked thing.
Ooh two topics! I'm actually planning on doing a video about shooting with glass on vs correcting vision through verifiers. You can push your glasses really close into your face or try some different clarifiers in your peep. I shoot with a Hamskea A+ and take my glasses off. I VERY briefly mention that in my BH tune video.
I personally coach for people to touch the very tip of their nose to the string for alignment. You only have 1 tip of your nose but many sides to your nose. Harder to be consistent to anchor on soft, wide areas of the face. I also recommend anchoring your release with two knuckles on the corner of the jaw bone because it's very repeatable.
@@sarahhallgren I do split the jaw bone to anchor. The one thing I find. Like say Carter releases. I can anchor really well cause the have more space n spreads my fingers and that allow a very repeatable feeling anchor. Where if I shoot my TruBall release. There narrow. That makes my fingers closer together and my anchor don’t feel as solid.
@@PennNative release fit is VERY important! I've been shooting Carter for years because they are reliable, can be set very heavy, and are a good company. That being said there are more ergonomic releases, like Stan that comes in many sizes or that trufire sears release... I've broken many of those two brands tho so I'd rather have a bit of a chunky release that doesn't break.
This is an interesting test! I can say I have had some releases that did not change point of impact from one to the other and a few that did. Usually, when I get the POI change, it is because the jaw opens opposite of the release I am comparing it to. I've also noticed a difference occasionally where the geometry is substantially different between the two releases, which literally puts the D-loop in a different location on my jaw. Great video and awesome content. Thanks for taking time to share with us! 👍 🏹 🇺🇸
@@haroldrushton6735 thanks for sharing your experience! The last time I got a different POI out of a release was many years ago before I was proficient enough to be able to accurately compare. I do believe that drag from a release not opening quickly enough, or a twisted dloop can definitely affect POI. Some people have more of a horizontal hand placement when anchoring as compared to a more vertical position. This can also affect the directional pull on the d-loop. Definitely a point to consider!
Consistent peep and pin alignment is all that matters for same hole accuracy!
I shoot Hot Shot Mfg thumb buttons. The hook swings the same direction as it would on a hinge. My POI remains the same with a hinge, but when I shoot a release like a Carter with the hook opening the other direction, I have a slight POI change.
@@TD2821 I have a variety of releases with different angles of jaws, and either closed or open jaws as well giving me the same POI. I haven't shot a hot shot though. I wonder if there is drag on the d-loop or the dloop is twisting due to hand position or hook direction. Maybe I can find another release and add to the test.
@@sarahhallgren I think loop torque could definitely be a contributing factor. The Carter that I compared it to was A wise choice which as you know does not have an exposed hook.
@@TD2821 definitely a consideration! I'm not a fan of the wise choice personally. There's a lot going on in the shape of the release. I think the body of the release gets too involved where the jaw and string meet. Carter makes excellent releases but I recommend a large variety of styles above that one.
If the jaws open different direction the way it comes off the d-loop will 100% change rhe impact left and right. It will either slightly flick the loop on way or the other depending on the way the jaw opens. If i shoot my UV button then my nock2it I hit significantly left of right depending on what release my scope is sighted too. Up and down not changed but left and right is definitely different. Oh and i also have a nose button tied in so that did not effect anything for me either
I have heard several people say hook direction will affect their impact point. I figure that's only fair to try out, so I grabbed a different hinge today that opens opposite of my thumb button yet I still got the same point of impact down range. I shot several groups with both and no change in height or left/right for me.