its very interesting to watch! Firstly - thank you to do this video. Currently, i am deciding between the thumb and finger driven release and open - pistol grip and a low grip ( compound full full one) . I have tested both grips ( 4 variations ) between 20 and 100 yards. i have found that pistol ( open ) grip is better, but also, it could be because i came from the Olympic bow , or i am torquing the bow on the low grip too much. whats your take on torquing the bow, how to fix it? cheers
What TheShadowCamo claims, might not be correct for you at all. I am so tired of all the "experts" claiming that this is the only solution for all. You just need to test and find what works best for you. What might be best for me, might be totally wrong for you. The best general way to avoid torque, is by having the right bow grip for your hand and wrist where you can be able to rest the grip correctly into your hand and where you can hold it without any tensions induced by how you have your wrist and fingers. Both holding the grip tight or stretch out your fingers for a totally open hand can create tensions that will induce torque. Personally I have my fingers loosely around the grip without squeezing, with the tips of my index finger and thumb touching. This way my hand is totally relaxed and not able to apply any torque at all and I have no need for a wrist strap/sling. This might work well for you and it might not. Then it depends on how you have your wrist if that gives tensions or not. It seems to me without being sure that a low grip induces tensions in your wrist and forearm, so you need to have a higher grip to remove that. Personally I am so tired of all these "experts" that think and claim that since it fits them well, it must fit well for everyone else. I have seen "experts" forcing their form on others, even if that so called "perfect form" is totally wrong for how those persons are built, as an example. I have shoot bows since 1986. Both for competitions and hunting. And I have seen different "experts" come and go with their universal "truths" since then and the funny thing is that I have beaten multiple of those "experts" many times on the archery range. The reality is that we are built differently and and our minds are different. There is no one size fits all in archery and bowhunting.
Shooting with an open hand aids in preventing your hand from torqueing the bow's riser left or right and thus, it enables you to shoot more accurately because you are more likely to grip the bow the same way each time. Also, in order to prevent dropping the bow after the shot, you can either close your hand on the riser immediately after releasing the arrow or you can use either a wrist sling or a finger sling which is what most tournament archers do. Furthermore, grabbing the riser immediately after the shot does not cause inconstancy from shot to shot because the arrow has already passed the shelf by the time your hand closes on the riser.
An open grip, and encouraging the hand to close immediately after the shot to catch the bow, also encourages anticipating the shot. This often worsens target panic. Not saying it can't be overcome, but it doesn't help.
I've shot and won many tournaments including state tournaments, I always shot with a finger sling and open hand. Let the bow fall forward for a good follow through
I've shot and won many tournaments including state tournaments, I always shot with a finger sling and open hand. Let the bow fall forward for a good follow through
If you shoot much, you will ALWAYS anticipate when the shot is going off, no matter how you do it. I am so tired of this idea that you will not do that if you just pull back with your back muscles and let the shot come "naturally". And you can't even do that when using a trigger release for you index finger. Then you are supposed to squeeze the trigger till you get a surprise release, but even then will you anticipate when the shot is going off with experience. And then some people get target panic and are shifting to a thumb release or similar solutions when they also will anticipate the shot after some time. All this talk about how anticipating your shot will ruin your accuracy can be totally correct, but it can also be totally wrong. Anticipating something doesn't have to be bad as long as you don't let it affect your shot. What is extremely important, no matter how you do it, is to be consistent with how you execute the shot, no matter how you do it. That is how you achieve good accuracy. There is no solution that fits all.
As an old old long time archer I’ve learned intentionally breaking the shot, commanding, for me creates anxiety in that “ am I timing this shot correctly “ to hit the target spot? Which leads to the “ drive-by” punching the release type shooting. Thumb or index release doesn’t matter as it’s so especially easy to do with these two designs. In the long run the benefits of learning to just pull thru is very well worth the effort. Yes, it takes more work at first but “ so what?” Anyone with even the worst bow setup can punch it and eventually hit the middle- BUT NOT CONSISTENTLY. There are literally thousands of people sent out of bow shops set up horribly incorrectly with a cheap index release. IMO, it’s disgusting a shop will do this or even allow it. Getting setup properly with even a quality index is so important for the new shooter. Point is- there are proven methods by hundreds of excellent archers that show certain techniques result in maximum success.
It's a lot easier to shoot open hand with a wrist strap. It's kind of the tool for the job, I'm a little surprised you're not using one. Be careful using a finger grip pulling these new compounds back, the string angle is so extreme, it's really easy to de-rail your string off a cam. Not criticism, just warning because i did it once. A nose button might work for you. I anchor in about the same place with the guide fletch at the corner of my mouth, but the nose button keeps things a little more accurate.
Subscribed, very in depth and explained why it causes accuracy issues and what issues it causes and just overall a great video to learn from, thanks.
Thanks for the sub!
Thanks for sharing - and good to see you took the trouble to vote
Thanks yes hope things go forward!
Great video, I totally agree. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge from experience.💪🏻
Glad it was helpful!
its very interesting to watch! Firstly - thank you to do this video. Currently, i am deciding between the thumb and finger driven release and open - pistol grip and a low grip ( compound full full one) . I have tested both grips ( 4 variations ) between 20 and 100 yards. i have found that pistol ( open ) grip is better, but also, it could be because i came from the Olympic bow , or i am torquing the bow on the low grip too much. whats your take on torquing the bow, how to fix it? cheers
open hand - wrist strap. definitely
@@TheShadowCamo i do have, tnx
What TheShadowCamo claims, might not be correct for you at all.
I am so tired of all the "experts" claiming that this is the only solution for all.
You just need to test and find what works best for you.
What might be best for me, might be totally wrong for you.
The best general way to avoid torque, is by having the right bow grip for your hand and wrist where you can be able to rest the grip correctly into your hand and where you can hold it without any tensions induced by how you have your wrist and fingers.
Both holding the grip tight or stretch out your fingers for a totally open hand can create tensions that will induce torque.
Personally I have my fingers loosely around the grip without squeezing, with the tips of my index finger and thumb touching.
This way my hand is totally relaxed and not able to apply any torque at all and I have no need for a wrist strap/sling.
This might work well for you and it might not.
Then it depends on how you have your wrist if that gives tensions or not.
It seems to me without being sure that a low grip induces tensions in your wrist and forearm, so you need to have a higher grip to remove that.
Personally I am so tired of all these "experts" that think and claim that since it fits them well, it must fit well for everyone else.
I have seen "experts" forcing their form on others, even if that so called "perfect form" is totally wrong for how those persons are built, as an example.
I have shoot bows since 1986.
Both for competitions and hunting.
And I have seen different "experts" come and go with their universal "truths" since then and the funny thing is that I have beaten multiple of those "experts" many times on the archery range.
The reality is that we are built differently and and our minds are different.
There is no one size fits all in archery and bowhunting.
Which grip feels the most stable? Just interested
Have you done a torque tune?
@@pinpointarchery2125 pistol one ( high , as recurve)
ive shot open hand for years. it elimates wrist torq its not for everyone but works when done proper.
Hey if it works it works! Thank you for sharing
Shooting with an open hand aids in preventing your hand from torqueing the bow's riser left or right and thus, it enables you to shoot more accurately because you are more likely to grip the bow the same way each time. Also, in order to prevent dropping the bow after the shot, you can either close your hand on the riser immediately after releasing the arrow or you can use either a wrist sling or a finger sling which is what most tournament archers do.
Furthermore, grabbing the riser immediately after the shot does not cause inconstancy from shot to shot because the arrow has already passed the shelf by the time your hand closes on the riser.
An open grip isn’t proper form a loose closed grip is going to be more accurate and put less torque on it that an open hand
@@aarongilbertson3074 If an open hand grip is not proper form, then why do so many Olympic and professional tournament shooters use it?
An open grip, and encouraging the hand to close immediately after the shot to catch the bow, also encourages anticipating the shot. This often worsens target panic.
Not saying it can't be overcome, but it doesn't help.
I've shot and won many tournaments including state tournaments, I always shot with a finger sling and open hand. Let the bow fall forward for a good follow through
I've shot and won many tournaments including state tournaments, I always shot with a finger sling and open hand. Let the bow fall forward for a good follow through
If you shoot much, you will ALWAYS anticipate when the shot is going off, no matter how you do it.
I am so tired of this idea that you will not do that if you just pull back with your back muscles and let the shot come "naturally".
And you can't even do that when using a trigger release for you index finger.
Then you are supposed to squeeze the trigger till you get a surprise release, but even then will you anticipate when the shot is going off with experience.
And then some people get target panic and are shifting to a thumb release or similar solutions when they also will anticipate the shot after some time.
All this talk about how anticipating your shot will ruin your accuracy can be totally correct, but it can also be totally wrong.
Anticipating something doesn't have to be bad as long as you don't let it affect your shot.
What is extremely important, no matter how you do it, is to be consistent with how you execute the shot, no matter how you do it.
That is how you achieve good accuracy.
There is no solution that fits all.
Very interesting point of view thanks
You can definitely use back tension and pull through an index release.
As an old old long time archer I’ve learned intentionally breaking the shot, commanding, for me creates anxiety in that “ am I timing this shot correctly “ to hit the target spot? Which leads to the “ drive-by” punching the release type shooting. Thumb or index release doesn’t matter as it’s so especially easy to do with these two designs. In the long run the benefits of learning to just pull thru is very well worth the effort. Yes, it takes more work at first but “ so what?” Anyone with even the worst bow setup can punch it and eventually hit the middle- BUT NOT CONSISTENTLY. There are literally thousands of people sent out of bow shops set up horribly incorrectly with a cheap index release. IMO, it’s disgusting a shop will do this or even allow it. Getting setup properly with even a quality index is so important for the new shooter. Point is- there are proven methods by hundreds of excellent archers that show certain techniques result in maximum success.
Thanks for sharing
Wrist strap and close your index finger to your thumb, making a large circle, not inducing torque.
Thanks
I found a nose button helped with excessive face contact. Those little buggers are sharp
I have used it once. It was a little distracting to me. But a good tool for sure
What scope is that you’re running brotha? I see black gold… but didn’t look familiar
It's a shrewd scope with a Swarovski lens. They make an adapter
Totally open hand creates torque just to keep your hand open just a totally relaxed hand
Thanks
It's a lot easier to shoot open hand with a wrist strap. It's kind of the tool for the job, I'm a little surprised you're not using one. Be careful using a finger grip pulling these new compounds back, the string angle is so extreme, it's really easy to de-rail your string off a cam. Not criticism, just warning because i did it once. A nose button might work for you. I anchor in about the same place with the guide fletch at the corner of my mouth, but the nose button keeps things a little more accurate.
Yes true I am conscious of drawing a bow with my hand. Just for the purpose of the test
the guy in the archery store teach me the same thing
He was right!
i have been shooting with open hand and its not weird or hard. But i think that, im a new to archery has to do something :D
Forgot to add that i started at april or something.
I would say you should try to shoot with a relaxed closed hand. Let me know how it goes. Welcome to archery!
#1shoot a darton
Why is that?
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Thanks
btw - you have shoot the open grip without a stabilizer.. its a not a fair point of the test..
A stabilizer hides bad technique.
Not at all, if you have bad technique it will just multiple it..
It was just for the test, But point taken
@AllofArchery give this guy the bow 🤙🏼🤙🏼
Thanks for the comment!