I thought it was common practice to start the vehicle and turn the heat on then go out and do your brushing and scrapping. When you get in the rig it is warmed up and warm inside.
@@robsteingruber9488 Government always giving you those feel good laws... punishing you because a few people decide to steal your cars... What is insurance for?
TheSushiraw mine has 187k miles on original engine with only regular maintenance, people who complain about Land Rover don’t know how to maintain their cars
@@bmxdenver1 I agree mine is DISCO 1 V8 and iv got 225K+ miles on original engine (362,109.4km). Drove it all around Australia and the machine just keeps going.
The Flying Butcher - Seriously? They are indeed great off-road, so long as you stay in tow truck range. But they are mechanical nightmares not intended for daily use.
NO! They are now designed to look good parked outside of a trendy wine bar or posh shop or school. Just for the record, i currently own four Land Rovers.
It will do great. Its essentially AWD with Duratracs until you lock the center. Pretty ideal vehicle for that weather. I love Land Rovers. They're just so expensive to maintain.
Jona T & Ryan Martinage, all y’all are humorous. My Range Rover was in the shop as much as it was on the road, I literally had to keep my old car so I had something dependable to drive when the Land Rover was down and OOS. I have to question your sanity, who would actually depend on this vehicle to get you home after any road trip? I took a two week vacation from Texas to Oregon, and we had to rent a car to get home as the Range Rover had two shop visits on the trip up. Who does that? It cost me over $2000 bucks to have it shipped back to Texas because the Salem, Oregon dealership took a long pause and said he wouldn’t recommend DRIVING it back to Texas. Keep in mind it was one year old at the time and had about 20,000 miles. The dealership where I bought it STRONGLY recommended an aftermarket warranty, they even called me twice after purchase to say I could still get it. Later I found out why, the transmission had to be replaced once in the first year, twice in the second year. They KNOW it’s junk!
@@Erin-Thor that's a range rover, entirely different operating system, engine and drive train. I own a discovery 2 2004 identical to the one in the video and have driven it thousands of miles through many different conditions and it never let's me down. It's all in how you take care of them.
More like dumb and dumber adventure time. I guarantee one if not both have had their tongue stuck to a ski lift at some point. Totally clueless about anything automotive related.
I live in Ireland and over here mountain rescue groups use Land Rover Discovery and Defenders quite a bit. So if mountain rescue use Defenders and Discoveries they must be good.
@@blackbuttetravelin I've had 3 landrovers the defender 90 and both disco 1 and 2 and only ever had o e break down. They are easy to fix with basic tools and parts are cheap for most part till you get to l332 range rover and disco 3
@@blackbuttetravelin maybe the masses in the US. Huge following in Europe and parts are cheap and doing the work yourself is simple for most jobs with basic tools. But like I said that's pre disco 3 and l332 range rovers
One thing I love about the Disco's traction control is that it does NOT reduce engine power when it loses traction like other vehicles do, and that can be a lifesaver offroad. I was going through a dirt road in my titan xd when I hit some slick surface mud and it completely took away all engine power to where it came to a stop, foot to the floor and it was just barely above an idle. Had to engage 4wd in a place I shouldn't have had to because the mud was literally an inch deep. Doesn't help that it's light in the rear and nose heavy with the cummins. And my Disco doesn't slide or fishtail like my pickup does. I've had alot of vehicles, and when it comes to offroad it's hard to beat a disco. Just a $600 terrafirma 3 inch lift and 265/75/16 treadwright claw tires make it almost unstoppable. Peiple are always in awe of how effortless it looks crossing off camber ruts and mud. And if you know where to get parts and learn a little about the vehicle it really isn't expensive or difficult to maintain.
I had a 300tdi discovery one life live it,,,,,lying under it 😂 joking apart it was a bit gutless but you could repair it with basic mechanical knowledge cheaply. Every mot it would want work front prop universal joints, oil leaks ECT but it was reliable and not bad to drive, I always had Toyotas bar servising them never touched anything else in the ist 100 k and beyond.
Reliability isn't bad if you know how to maintain the damn thing. People treat vehicles universally and chalk em off as crap when they don't have "luck" with a certain vehicle. Funny how people leave comments on the vehicles they claim not to like in the first place. If the brand left a bad taste in your mouth, then why search for or click on th video featuring the very vehicle you dislike. Go find a video of what you like then blast away in the comment section.
I pulled a brand new 4 Runner out of the ditch tonight with a Defender if that helps answer your question. 4 Runner will drive much much nicer 99% of the time though.
I’ve owned or driven just about every kind of SUV or truck in the snow. I even owned a 1993 Land Rover Defender. With that said. The Discovery is hands down, the best vehicle to drive in the snow. The Discovery 2 does not get stuck in the snow. As for the new Discovery’s? They are nice but not as capable as the older Disco 2 .
"That was weird. First the front wheels spun and the rear wheels spun.... and then the car took off really well" Not weird. Unlocked center differential. Torque goes to the axle with the least traction. What you witnessed is exactly why Land Rover went back to allowing the operator to lock the center differential in 2004.
Well your mostly right, although the torque split doesn't change. Even though the front wheels are spinning faster then back wheels they are still receiving the same amount of torque. Open differentials don't send all the torque to one side. Instead what happens is that the amount of torque produced by the engine is limited, and it only produces enough torque to spin the side with no traction. Engineering Explained has some pretty good videos explaining this. Something else to keep in mind is that torque is based on friction, so by braking the front wheels you create friction and therefore you can put down more torque. Which is probably why Land Rover ditched the locking center diff. While its not quite as good as a locking diff its way better then just weak limited slip or open center diffs.
Driving with cdl engaged in snow is extremely dangerous, you lose a lot of steering and control. It should only be used when going really slow in a straight line.
Juan Rojas: How is driving driving a 2004 Discovery in the snow with its center differential locked substantively more dangerous than me driving a Suzuki Samurai, short wheelbase Isuzu Trooper RS, first-generation Bronco, Mitsubishi Montero, Nissan Pathfinder, Jeep TJ, 4x4 Ford Ranger, flatfender Jeep, or Bronco II in the snow with their part time four-wheel drive transfer cases shifted in to 4-high or 4-low? That's a rhetorical question. I'm seriously thinking about buying a 2004 Land Rover Discovery myself and if I get one, I'm not going to dork around trying to get where I want to go in snow with the center differential unlocked when the point of being able to lock it is to maximize traction in low-traction situations.
@@jerroldshelton9367 I own a 2002 with no CDL, have never been stuck anywhere, the traction control system works beautifully, notice in the video when he took off with CDL on he went sideways, locking the Diff makes the vehicle unstable, plus, discoveries have weak front driveshafts and in a situation when the front and rear wheels are fighting each other (when you lock the center Diff and try to turn you get a lot of binding) it might break, and when they break they slam into the transmission and send gears flying everywhere.
@@Morpheux1 I live in rural Wales where there's often interesting weather . My office is at the end of a one mile track and I often tow heavy trailers across fields. I have a 1996 Discovery Tdi diesel with manual transmission, and it's also my every day car. Not sure if the North American market imports manual diesels and if true Americans are missing out on the best version of Discovery 1 and 2. At 22 years old it's service needs are reasonable. Pulling much newer vehicles out of snow and mud is a regular winter calling. The centre diff lock should never be used for any longer than is required to get out of a sticky moment. It's all in the operating manual . Don't go faster than 5mph and as straight as possible. Unlock at the earliest opportunity. Land Rover's permanent four wheel drive system is even now a bit special. For the avoidance of doubt it's not AWD. Many, if not most, modern four wheel drive (not AWD) trucks use part time FWD for practical reasons consequential to less developed technology. As I said, Land Rover's permanent four wheel drive system is a bit special.
That was a fun vid. But, TFL has at least 4 off road vehicles, The Disco, Big Green, The Wrangler, and The Cherokee. Round up the Colorado TFL team, take all the 4X4's out on a trail, and have a race or competition. Just a thought. Thanks guys.
A test I would love to do with my Disco 2 but not much snow here in Queensland Australia! However, just to add that these cars are not prone to overheating and hence you need that temp gauge. I’ve driven my V8 Disco in 40c on beaches and in the bush and sat in traffic all day long without an issue. These cars are old now, so if they have overheated, most cases are poor maintenance. Like any car 15-20 years old, cooling systems need to be renewed, hoses and thermostats changed Radiators rodded our. Maybe a new water pump. I helped out at a Local Land Rover Specialist for a few months last year and saw two D2 V8’s running hot and had head gasket issues. Both cars had almost fully blocked radiators. One had a faulty Thermostat ($30) part 20 years old! The other the water pump worn or at 230k on the clock and 17 year old car. These rubber and plastic parts new changed after 10 years. The owner of the LR business (35 years) said 99% of overheats was the perishable hoses and plastic thermostats way too old. Cheap prevention against an expensive failure. Others where water pump/blocked rads, and occasional plastic header tank. Throttle body gasket on the V8 so most will have a bypass.
Reaper4367 hiya, not it was Ayres Automotive, Brookvale in Sydney. I just moved up from NSW. I also worked there for a few months helping the owner out when I was planning to our up. I did take the Disco to the Snowy Mountains once but the roads were clear but the mountains had powder lol!
I had a Disco II and slid into a deep ditch the first winter I had it, put it in low, and walked right out! Later, I put Hakkapeliitta’s on each winter and never had an issue after that. Best snow tyre out there!
thank you for making this video!! I am from Texas, but now go to school up here in Wyoming so know the snow is defiantly going to affect me. I drive the exact same model 2004 land rover discovery II so I loved the information on driving in the snow.
We got rain in the valley and snow in the mountains here in Northern Utah. That scenery is beautiful, I can't wait until we get snow here. Great video.
They brought back the option of having the centre diff lock because constantly throughout production owners cpmplained about not having it and told Land Rover to bring it back!I've got a 2002 TD5 with no diff lock, heated front screen with about eight wires working, the TC goes off when i slowly drive off a curb or drive over bumpy tarmac or a speed bump and it takes about ten miles of driving before ANY heat comes out of a vent! The keyfob only now works if i hold it against the rear window and press the button to lock/unlock and the throttle position sensor just failed at a cost of £351.19 to replace and fit myself.
@@MultiPurposeReviewer lol, depends on what boring is. Bars are boring to me, to each their own and out here has so much to offer I can't see boring with so much area to wheel in etc.
@@throttlecorrupted8718 That's true. There's a lot more places to go off road in Eastern WA, and the wide open expanses do hold a little bit of allure for me. But I do like cold weather and rain more.
If you hug the cascade mountains on either side you'll get snow. I lived in Mukilteo and could travel over to Lake 22 area and get snow. And then when I moved to Wenatchee I could literally travel up the road to leavenworth and have snow.
Driving in snow CAN be fun, but I'm some glad that I'm still a couple of months away from seeing the white stuff. Anyway, I love your four season content, so I'm looking forward to more snowy adventures.
I own a D2 for 3 years in the "North". Let me tell You - GET A PROPER SNOW TYRE and this thing is AMAZING. No wheel drive or ABS/ESP is gonna help You with wrong tyre. Proper 3 peak rated snow tyres and its THE best thing to drive in ANY winter conditions. 50cm of snow or full sheet ice covered with water - it will laugh while everyone else struggles. Love it.
Brand new duratracs are amazing in the snow, can’t be beat! But with a couple of seasons on them they really taper off. Love the 31” duratracs on my 2001 Jeep Cherokee XJ!
the landscaping company that i worked for in new hampshire used duratracks for there shoveling crew vans and plow trucks and i have to tell you those things are tanks in snow especially in deep snow, we used them every year that i was there all 7 winters and the only trucks that got stuck were the isuzu ramp bodies with studded tires and international stake body with normal all seasons.
Those duratrac should be "3 peak/snowflake" winter rated tires. Granted they are not the best tire out there. But I know a few guys who have run them for off road/ overland and winter use. When I bought my tires for my 4x4 I specifically got a set of all terrain that had the winter designation. So I have 1 set that stay on all year, no switching, no storage.
As I know, it is not only a matter of lack of shift knob for Disco 2's. In some models they dont't have knobs but have internal parts of center diff lock inside transfer case. But in some models, they don't have knobs and they don't have internals either.
Generally speaking, the 1999-2001 models had the internals, but no linkage, the 2002 model had nothing at all (as me how I know lol) and then 2003-2004 (D2a) brought back the whole setup.
Hey, guys. I enjoy your videos when you review cars and trucks. Unless you are tire testing, please don't make blanket statements on the performance of tires. I have had several sets of GY Duratracs and have used them extensively in all conditions (asphalt, dirt, rocks, rain, mud, snow, ice, and deep snow). The Duratracs are the best "all-terrain" tire IMHO. They are not an "ice" tire, as winter tires tend to be manufactured in that direction. I have had every set of Duratracs in up to four feet of snow, on two very different vehicles, which in my experience makes them a great snow tire. I currently have a set of Duratracs with 72,000+ miles on them that will still get me into three feet of snow. Cheers!
The Duratrac's are nice tires. I had them in 32's on my 2012 JK Sport and have them in 33's on my 2016 JK Rubicon. They do really well in the snow. You become bambi on ice but in snow I have been impressed.
This is in the US where we only got the petrol engine, FBH was only an option for diesels. Though if you have a suggestion on adding an FBH to the petrol engine I would be interested.
I didn't look through all the comments (congrats on the success of the channel, btw), so at the risk of repeating someone, the P38 Range Rover was the first LR with TC. Braking in the snow is nearly only a test of tires. You are also testing the ABS, but there are generally no huge differences even when earlier systems are compared to later systems (though many cars of that era had a not always beneficial ice mode...). You do have 4wd which not all cars have, but all cars have 4wb - four wheel brakes. :-p Wow! 29* and 3-4" of snow in mid-October. I love snow - in winter. I really enjoy the Rockies and think that Colorado is beautiful, but I ain't moving there any time soon 8-0
That snow looks like a lot of fun! Also you got a reverse light out. You guys should check out Headlight Revolution. They have an awesome led reverse light bulb that is really bright; almost like headlights on the back.
You two should have come along on Sunday's snow wheeling trip and put that rescue rig to work again. Though, recoveries aren't something you can anticipate (but should always be prepared to do). We'll have to get together for a snow wheeling trip!
most of us in Colorado will start their truck and let it be warming up "while" we are scraping the windshield and cleaning off the vehicle. But then Boulder is a whole different mindset than the Western Slope, we also don't stand in front of a vehicle under acceleration in snow when it could slide and know our Dads into the creek, eye's rolled here.
Diff lock was an optional extra on the models from 2001 until 04.. higher spec ones usually has diff lock.. if you can move the high/low range lever also sideways.. you have diff lock.
There is a nipple on top of the transfer case by the front output, if you have it yours is lockable but doesn't have the lever installed, if it doesn't is not lockable.
Maybe I’m too old school, firstly seem to drive a bit quicker than caution would suggest in snow, on a highway, we were always taught abs or not avoid braking on snow and ice , use the gearbox and engine braking to control speed, and yes I’ve worked with a a lot of Land Rover vehicles, most of the uk will not see snow sometimes for years and the get a lot very quickly, in my part of the UK 🇬🇧 most people don’t see enough snow to warrant winter tyres at all, which is probably why most drivers can’t deal with it
I go outside start my D2 up. Turn on the heated windscreen and seat warmers. Go back inside for 10 minutes. When Im ready to go I dont have to scrape much off the truck at all. I love my heated windscreen! Although in NC I only get to use it a few times a year at best.
I wanna go to CU Boulder but as a Cali Kid I'm not a huge Fan of that weather all semester long:/ I'm just not built for cold snowy weather. Does it really change from 30 to 50 in a week? 'cause then I could manage a few snow storms. Just not from October to April every week
shockracer the ko2 (2015 redesign) are new tire based on compound they use. Even the general’s new ATX uses same tread design. Duratracs do look better/ more aggressive tire.
I have the Duratrac on my rig and they perform great on snow and off road. This are the few off road tire that are rated as snow tire with the pick mountain snow logo on the side wall. Of course it is not a 100% dedicated snow tire as some winter tires but they outperform any A/T M/T tires in the market. Also any tire, eve dedicated snow tire will spin in hard acceleration and hard braking will skid. So those test are not accurate. More accurate will be will a all season one and A/T M/T side by side under the same condition. But so far this proof why the Duratrac tires and the #1 tire on sales in Canada for rigs and Pick up trucks. Because you don't need 2 set of tires to deal on between seasons.
I have fuzion suv tires on my 05 z71 suburban. I can't say enough about them. For short money they last, low low noise and the truck will stand up and dance in the snow.
You guys should do a test on treadwright tires because they've been the toughest and best tires I've ever owned. Never had a flat, even driving through mesquite.
Great video. i enjoyed that, having owned a D1 V8. i really want to get one of these D2 v8 series 2. Thanks for not posting a video with music. will watch more if you do.
For you Land Rover owners, what has maintenance been like? I love the creature comforts in these things and their prices are staggering low. I've heard there are years and/or engines to avoid?
One of the issues is overheating...yep and another is engine management, air suspension leaks, central locking, leaky sunroof, failing prop shafts, blown head gaskets, failed air conditioning, crap plastic heater joints, oil pumps...apart from that its a great truck
Nathan, Roman and team - you guys are always making great videos, specially related to snow performance of different cars/truck. Can you please make a video for Renegade upland 4X4, in snow. Cheers and keep up the good work!!
I've always wanted a Disco II (form factor, good mix of interior luxury and practicality, etc) but always hear they take more maintenance than a Renix XJ. Which I don't mind but what's the real world (vs interwebs word) reliability of these for long term use? I have an XJ and an '04 Tacoma. ... Love your stuff!
I have the same chassis of Range Rover, the P38. Steel springs. New falken wildpeak AT3. They are correct it has a high pressure ABS-based traction. Low range engages electronically. It all works well. I don’t think mine has a diff lock control.
I would consider this more a test of the tires then a test of the snow ability of the Discovery. Proper snow tires should be a a requisite for driving any vehicle in the snow, let alone test it. I don't understand how this is not the default in the US.
Hey Roman and Tommy, big time question. I live in R.I., lots of snow here and I drive a 2016 Tacoma TRD off road. What's the best AT tire for the snow. I don't go off roading.I'm only really concerned about the snow. I don't really care for the good year Kevlar tires. They need to look beefy. Thanks boys. Keep it up!
Cross country tyres are not winter tyres, the rubber compound is not good after 7C. I have 42 min 4x4 winter driving on my channel. It’s a bit boring but I move through dif lock, low, and the DHC in my LR4 2016. But winter tyres are amazing in these situations.
IMO and experience, a vehicle's capability in the snow is around 90% based on tyre selection, 8% on it being 4x4 or FRD/RWD, 2% on the actual vehicle... my point being, I think a RWD Ford Sierra would probably be better in the snow than a Discovery on summer tyres. I got to drive a number of new Landrover products back in 2014 on a Landrover off-road experice day. The Defender was disappointing IMO. As it had open diffs all round, you had to wait for the rather agricultural DSC to kick in before it locked a spinning wheel, then it went off in a rather jerky fashion. The '80s 4x4 Ford Sierra's & Granadas had viscous diffs all round, so the power transfer was more progressive. I do like a lot of Landrover products though.
Test every AWD vehicle you can in the snow.Including that Subaru.Although you may have to do abit of guess work on how much is the AWD system and how much is the tires. Still with some testing it might give folks a little bit of an ideal in what to expect.
I thought it was common practice to start the vehicle and turn the heat on then go out and do your brushing and scrapping. When you get in the rig it is warmed up and warm inside.
Is better in the way they did: less pollution, and you can watch the dash gauges, in case than something goes wrong.
I think you're right, it just may have interfered with their audio.
In Colorado that is called puffing and is illegal. You can be ticketed unless you have a remote starter system.
@@robsteingruber9488 Government always giving you those feel good laws... punishing you because a few people decide to steal your cars... What is insurance for?
Colorado has econazi laws, just like Germany.
It's a land rover, how the hell can you doubt it's ability in any condition let alone snow!! That's what it was designed for!
TheSushiraw mine has 187k miles on original engine with only regular maintenance, people who complain about Land Rover don’t know how to maintain their cars
@@bmxdenver1 I agree mine is DISCO 1 V8 and iv got 225K+ miles on original engine (362,109.4km). Drove it all around Australia and the machine just keeps going.
The Flying Butcher - Seriously? They are indeed great off-road, so long as you stay in tow truck range. But they are mechanical nightmares not intended for daily use.
NO! They are now designed to look good parked outside of a trendy wine bar or posh shop or school.
Just for the record, i currently own four Land Rovers.
Correctly, this Land Rover Defender was design for Off-Road, not matter what. Can be in Mud, Sand, Snow, Rocks, even in The Moon can travel
It will do great. Its essentially AWD with Duratracs until you lock the center. Pretty ideal vehicle for that weather. I love Land Rovers. They're just so expensive to maintain.
I love them too but they are sometimes high maintenance. But when they work they are fantastic.
They really aren't if you know where to get parts and can do simple DIY work. Rock auto is your friend lol
Atlantic British, luckey8, partsgeek, Amazon. That is the answer you seek.
Jona T & Ryan Martinage, all y’all are humorous. My Range Rover was in the shop as much as it was on the road, I literally had to keep my old car so I had something dependable to drive when the Land Rover was down and OOS. I have to question your sanity, who would actually depend on this vehicle to get you home after any road trip? I took a two week vacation from Texas to Oregon, and we had to rent a car to get home as the Range Rover had two shop visits on the trip up. Who does that? It cost me over $2000 bucks to have it shipped back to Texas because the Salem, Oregon dealership took a long pause and said he wouldn’t recommend DRIVING it back to Texas. Keep in mind it was one year old at the time and had about 20,000 miles. The dealership where I bought it STRONGLY recommended an aftermarket warranty, they even called me twice after purchase to say I could still get it. Later I found out why, the transmission had to be replaced once in the first year, twice in the second year. They KNOW it’s junk!
@@Erin-Thor that's a range rover, entirely different operating system, engine and drive train. I own a discovery 2 2004 identical to the one in the video and have driven it thousands of miles through many different conditions and it never let's me down. It's all in how you take care of them.
Duratrac are awesome in the snow. Snow flake. 3 sets. I live in Canada and go skiing ⛷. Proven here 🇨🇦
Yah my buddy 🇨🇦👍
Father and son adventure time. Awesome.
!!!great!!!
y el padre prepara todo y es el que sale si se atasca, le toca al mio cuando salimos en el jeep xD
More like dumb and dumber adventure time. I guarantee one if not both have had their tongue stuck to a ski lift at some point. Totally clueless about anything automotive related.
I live in Ireland and over here mountain rescue groups use Land Rover Discovery and Defenders quite a bit. So if mountain rescue use Defenders and Discoveries they must be good.
when did you guys get a mountain and where the hell are you hiding it? im picturing all these Irish mountain goats up there
It's no question if they are good or not it's just that they have a hefty price tag and are known to leave people stranded.
@@blackbuttetravelin I've had 3 landrovers the defender 90 and both disco 1 and 2 and only ever had o e break down. They are easy to fix with basic tools and parts are cheap for most part till you get to l332 range rover and disco 3
Peter Bravo the masses beg to differ but I’m glad you have had good success.
@@blackbuttetravelin maybe the masses in the US. Huge following in Europe and parts are cheap and doing the work yourself is simple for most jobs with basic tools. But like I said that's pre disco 3 and l332 range rovers
One thing I love about the Disco's traction control is that it does NOT reduce engine power when it loses traction like other vehicles do, and that can be a lifesaver offroad. I was going through a dirt road in my titan xd when I hit some slick surface mud and it completely took away all engine power to where it came to a stop, foot to the floor and it was just barely above an idle. Had to engage 4wd in a place I shouldn't have had to because the mud was literally an inch deep. Doesn't help that it's light in the rear and nose heavy with the cummins. And my Disco doesn't slide or fishtail like my pickup does. I've had alot of vehicles, and when it comes to offroad it's hard to beat a disco. Just a $600 terrafirma 3 inch lift and 265/75/16 treadwright claw tires make it almost unstoppable. Peiple are always in awe of how effortless it looks crossing off camber ruts and mud. And if you know where to get parts and learn a little about the vehicle it really isn't expensive or difficult to maintain.
Why not start it while you are cleaning off the car? Snow rookies
ted101975 - Because it’s a Land Rover. LOL! They break so often it’s not funny. Yes, I’ve owned one. Horrible reliability.
What's the link ? :p
I had a 300tdi discovery one life live it,,,,,lying under it 😂 joking apart it was a bit gutless but you could repair it with basic mechanical knowledge cheaply. Every mot it would want work front prop universal joints, oil leaks ECT but it was reliable and not bad to drive, I always had Toyotas bar servising them never touched anything else in the ist 100 k and beyond.
Reliability isn't bad if you know how to maintain the damn thing. People treat vehicles universally and chalk em off as crap when they don't have "luck" with a certain vehicle. Funny how people leave comments on the vehicles they claim not to like in the first place. If the brand left a bad taste in your mouth, then why search for or click on th video featuring the very vehicle you dislike. Go find a video of what you like then blast away in the comment section.
As a Canadian that doesn't off-road happy to see more snow driving content. Would love to see a mash up of the Highlander, 4 Runner and RX350 in snow.
I pulled a brand new 4 Runner out of the ditch tonight with a Defender if that helps answer your question. 4 Runner will drive much much nicer 99% of the time though.
Miss my 2001 Discovery II. Loved it more then 2011 Range Rover Sport and close second to my 2018 Range Rover. Best value for sure.
I’ve owned or driven just about every kind of SUV or truck in the snow. I even owned a 1993 Land Rover Defender. With that said. The Discovery is hands down, the best vehicle to drive in the snow. The Discovery 2 does not get stuck in the snow. As for the new Discovery’s? They are nice but not as capable as the older Disco 2 .
I miss my Disco. It was a money pit, but it was MY money pit!
Plus it was a beast in the snow and off road!
"That was weird. First the front wheels spun and the rear wheels spun.... and then the car took off really well"
Not weird. Unlocked center differential. Torque goes to the axle with the least traction. What you witnessed is exactly why Land Rover went back to allowing the operator to lock the center differential in 2004.
Well your mostly right, although the torque split doesn't change. Even though the front wheels are spinning faster then back wheels they are still receiving the same amount of torque. Open differentials don't send all the torque to one side. Instead what happens is that the amount of torque produced by the engine is limited, and it only produces enough torque to spin the side with no traction. Engineering Explained has some pretty good videos explaining this.
Something else to keep in mind is that torque is based on friction, so by braking the front wheels you create friction and therefore you can put down more torque. Which is probably why Land Rover ditched the locking center diff. While its not quite as good as a locking diff its way better then just weak limited slip or open center diffs.
Driving with cdl engaged in snow is extremely dangerous, you lose a lot of steering and control.
It should only be used when going really slow in a straight line.
Juan Rojas: How is driving driving a 2004 Discovery in the snow with its center differential locked substantively more dangerous than me driving a Suzuki Samurai, short wheelbase Isuzu Trooper RS, first-generation Bronco, Mitsubishi Montero, Nissan Pathfinder, Jeep TJ, 4x4 Ford Ranger, flatfender Jeep, or Bronco II in the snow with their part time four-wheel drive transfer cases shifted in to 4-high or 4-low? That's a rhetorical question.
I'm seriously thinking about buying a 2004 Land Rover Discovery myself and if I get one, I'm not going to dork around trying to get where I want to go in snow with the center differential unlocked when the point of being able to lock it is to maximize traction in low-traction situations.
@@jerroldshelton9367 I own a 2002 with no CDL, have never been stuck anywhere, the traction control system works beautifully, notice in the video when he took off with CDL on he went sideways, locking the Diff makes the vehicle unstable, plus, discoveries have weak front driveshafts and in a situation when the front and rear wheels are fighting each other (when you lock the center Diff and try to turn you get a lot of binding) it might break, and when they break they slam into the transmission and send gears flying everywhere.
@@Morpheux1 I live in rural Wales where there's often interesting weather . My office is at the end of a one mile track and I often tow heavy trailers across fields. I have a 1996 Discovery Tdi diesel with manual transmission, and it's also my every day car. Not sure if the North American market imports manual diesels and if true Americans are missing out on the best version of Discovery 1 and 2. At 22 years old it's service needs are reasonable. Pulling much newer vehicles out of snow and mud is a regular winter calling. The centre diff lock should never be used for any longer than is required to get out of a sticky moment. It's all in the operating manual . Don't go faster than 5mph and as straight as possible. Unlock at the earliest opportunity. Land Rover's permanent four wheel drive system is even now a bit special. For the avoidance of doubt it's not AWD. Many, if not most, modern four wheel drive (not AWD) trucks use part time FWD for practical reasons consequential to less developed technology. As I said, Land Rover's permanent four wheel drive system is a bit special.
That was a fun vid. But, TFL has at least 4 off road vehicles, The Disco, Big Green, The Wrangler, and The Cherokee. Round up the Colorado TFL team, take all the 4X4's out on a trail, and have a race or competition. Just a thought. Thanks guys.
Thanks for the great idea. Will do.
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A test I would love to do with my Disco 2 but not much snow here in Queensland Australia!
However, just to add that these cars are not prone to overheating and hence you need that temp gauge.
I’ve driven my V8 Disco in 40c on beaches and in the bush and sat in traffic all day long without an issue.
These cars are old now, so if they have overheated, most cases are poor maintenance. Like any car 15-20 years old, cooling systems need to be renewed, hoses and thermostats changed Radiators rodded our. Maybe a new water pump.
I helped out at a Local Land Rover Specialist for a few months last year and saw two D2 V8’s running hot and had head gasket issues.
Both cars had almost fully blocked radiators. One had a faulty Thermostat ($30) part 20 years old! The other the water pump worn or at 230k on the clock and 17 year old car.
These rubber and plastic parts new changed after 10 years.
The owner of the LR business (35 years) said 99% of overheats was the perishable hoses and plastic thermostats way too old. Cheap prevention against an expensive failure. Others where water pump/blocked rads, and occasional plastic header tank. Throttle body gasket on the V8 so most will have a bypass.
Smart arse! lol..(jk) Im just up in Gympie. .. was the business you went to BOR? And spot on with your info.
Reaper4367 hiya, not it was Ayres Automotive, Brookvale in Sydney. I just moved up from NSW. I also worked there for a few months helping the owner out when I was planning to our up.
I did take the Disco to the Snowy Mountains once but the roads were clear but the mountains had powder lol!
I had a Disco II and slid into a deep ditch the first winter I had it, put it in low, and walked right out! Later, I put Hakkapeliitta’s on each winter and never had an issue after that. Best snow tyre out there!
Love these types of videos! Sometimes I wish I lived where it snowed, but I enjoy being able to run summer tires on my sports car all year round.
My 04 is a beast in the snow. The only tires I use are the TA Kao .. been in up to four feet, black ice and never lost traction or control.
thank you for making this video!! I am from Texas, but now go to school up here in Wyoming so know the snow is defiantly going to affect me. I drive the exact same model 2004 land rover discovery II so I loved the information on driving in the snow.
I live in CO and the Duratracs on my lifted F350 are unstoppable in snow. I have been up above Blackhawk pushing snow over the top of the hood.
Rich Farfugnuven I'd love to see you put your f350 up goldmine hill.
I'm considering duratracs for our next set!
Here in Australia you are very lucky to see snow only in high country but our climate is to warm in city n towns to see snow.
We got rain in the valley and snow in the mountains here in Northern Utah. That scenery is beautiful, I can't wait until we get snow here. Great video.
They brought back the option of having the centre diff lock because constantly throughout production owners cpmplained about not having it and told Land Rover to bring it back!I've got a 2002 TD5 with no diff lock, heated front screen with about eight wires working, the TC goes off when i slowly drive off a curb or drive over bumpy tarmac or a speed bump and it takes about ten miles of driving before ANY heat comes out of a vent! The keyfob only now works if i hold it against the rear window and press the button to lock/unlock and the throttle position sensor just failed at a cost of £351.19 to replace and fit myself.
Had my Disco 2 in NY for 7 years.. it’s so good in these conditions it’s almost not even fun
Those tires for my money, are the best tires for snow driving, especially offroad
Oh man, I've missed these kinds of videos. I wish we got that kind of snow in Seattle. Can't wait to see more snowy videos this winter!
That's why moved to Eastern Wa
I would never move to Eastern WA. It's hot, sunny, flat, and boring.
@@MultiPurposeReviewer lol, depends on what boring is. Bars are boring to me, to each their own and out here has so much to offer I can't see boring with so much area to wheel in etc.
@@throttlecorrupted8718 That's true. There's a lot more places to go off road in Eastern WA, and the wide open expanses do hold a little bit of allure for me. But I do like cold weather and rain more.
If you hug the cascade mountains on either side you'll get snow. I lived in Mukilteo and could travel over to Lake 22 area and get snow. And then when I moved to Wenatchee I could literally travel up the road to leavenworth and have snow.
Driving in snow CAN be fun, but I'm some glad that I'm still a couple of months away from seeing the white stuff. Anyway, I love your four season content, so I'm looking forward to more snowy adventures.
As a proud Landie owner, all i can say mate is, this is one gorgeous vehicle!
I have Duratracs on 4 of my vehicles. Living in Colorado, I love these tires. See the Severe Weather rating on the side?
I own a D2 for 3 years in the "North". Let me tell You - GET A PROPER SNOW TYRE and this thing is AMAZING. No wheel drive or ABS/ESP is gonna help You with wrong tyre. Proper 3 peak rated snow tyres and its THE best thing to drive in ANY winter conditions. 50cm of snow or full sheet ice covered with water - it will laugh while everyone else struggles. Love it.
Brand new duratracs are amazing in the snow, can’t be beat! But with a couple of seasons on them they really taper off. Love the 31” duratracs on my 2001 Jeep Cherokee XJ!
the landscaping company that i worked for in new hampshire used duratracks for there shoveling crew vans and plow trucks and i have to tell you those things are tanks in snow especially in deep snow, we used them every year that i was there all 7 winters and the only trucks that got stuck were the isuzu ramp bodies with studded tires and international stake body with normal all seasons.
Those duratrac should be "3 peak/snowflake" winter rated tires. Granted they are not the best tire out there. But I know a few guys who have run them for off road/ overland and winter use. When I bought my tires for my 4x4 I specifically got a set of all terrain that had the winter designation. So I have 1 set that stay on all year, no switching, no storage.
Awesome videos. No other channel makes these awesome videos...though I’m missing Tommy’s Jeep Wrangler videos
As I know, it is not only a matter of lack of shift knob for Disco 2's. In some models they dont't have knobs but have internal parts of center diff lock inside transfer case. But in some models, they don't have knobs and they don't have internals either.
Generally speaking, the 1999-2001 models had the internals, but no linkage, the 2002 model had nothing at all (as me how I know lol) and then 2003-2004 (D2a) brought back the whole setup.
Transfer cases which begins with 41D or 42D has CDL. 61D, 62D, 69D, 70D codes do not have.
No snow days for the TFL crew. When it snows it's all hands on deck.
Very timely! I just bought a Disco II - same color and I live in Colorado. Looking forward to more videos. Thanks.
Why not make your own?
I love taking my Range Rover L322 out in the snow in Minnesota! Keep up the great content!
Hey, guys. I enjoy your videos when you review cars and trucks. Unless you are tire testing, please don't make blanket statements on the performance of tires. I have had several sets of GY Duratracs and have used them extensively in all conditions (asphalt, dirt, rocks, rain, mud, snow, ice, and deep snow). The Duratracs are the best "all-terrain" tire IMHO. They are not an "ice" tire, as winter tires tend to be manufactured in that direction. I have had every set of Duratracs in up to four feet of snow, on two very different vehicles, which in my experience makes them a great snow tire. I currently have a set of Duratracs with 72,000+ miles on them that will still get me into three feet of snow. Cheers!
I just love this channel ! Thanks for taking time to film trucks. Peacefrom510 .
It would lock prior to 2004, however it was only when the traction control computer would deem it necessary. It's called a viscous coupling.
I’m in Pittsburgh and it would be crazy to have that much snow before Christmas let alone in October
What do you guys think of all weather tires? Are they better the snow/winter for vehicles with awd/4x4 so you do not have to change tires?
Please remember to clear snow off the roof too. Here in PA that is a several hundred dollar ticket, not to mention dangerous to other drivers.
Yes Officer.....
The Duratrac's are nice tires. I had them in 32's on my 2012 JK Sport and have them in 33's on my 2016 JK Rubicon. They do really well in the snow. You become bambi on ice but in snow I have been impressed.
I just love what you guys do, I too have a disco 11 but a TD5 in Australia, love the car, and ability.
Why did you not turn the FBH on and let the car defrost its self???
Thats what I do
This is in the US where we only got the petrol engine, FBH was only an option for diesels. Though if you have a suggestion on adding an FBH to the petrol engine I would be interested.
I’m heading out to Colorado Wednesday for vacation from NC. Save some snow for me!
Where can you buy that decal of mountains that you have on this Discovery?
I didn't look through all the comments (congrats on the success of the channel, btw), so at the risk of repeating someone, the P38 Range Rover was the first LR with TC.
Braking in the snow is nearly only a test of tires. You are also testing the ABS, but there are generally no huge differences even when earlier systems are compared to later systems (though many cars of that era had a not always beneficial ice mode...). You do have 4wd which not all cars have, but all cars have 4wb - four wheel brakes. :-p
Wow! 29* and 3-4" of snow in mid-October. I love snow - in winter. I really enjoy the Rockies and think that Colorado is beautiful, but I ain't moving there any time soon 8-0
That snow looks like a lot of fun!
Also you got a reverse light out. You guys should check out Headlight Revolution. They have an awesome led reverse light bulb that is really bright; almost like headlights on the back.
You two should have come along on Sunday's snow wheeling trip and put that rescue rig to work again. Though, recoveries aren't something you can anticipate (but should always be prepared to do). We'll have to get together for a snow wheeling trip!
Great vid, but why did you not turn it on before removing the snow?
I have a Freelander 2002 model and it has traction control. They all have it since 1997.
most of us in Colorado will start their truck and let it be warming up "while" we are scraping the windshield and cleaning off the vehicle. But then Boulder is a whole different mindset than the Western Slope, we also don't stand in front of a vehicle under acceleration in snow when it could slide and know our Dads into the creek, eye's rolled here.
My Disco 2 is from 2004 but no diff lock option. How can I tell if I have the system installed ?
Diff lock was an optional extra on the models from 2001 until 04.. higher spec ones usually has diff lock.. if you can move the high/low range lever also sideways.. you have diff lock.
There is a nipple on top of the transfer case by the front output, if you have it yours is lockable but doesn't have the lever installed, if it doesn't is not lockable.
Maybe I’m too old school, firstly seem to drive a bit quicker than caution would suggest in snow, on a highway, we were always taught abs or not avoid braking on snow and ice , use the gearbox and engine braking to control speed, and yes I’ve worked with a a lot of Land Rover vehicles, most of the uk will not see snow sometimes for years and the get a lot very quickly, in my part of the UK 🇬🇧 most people don’t see enough snow to warrant winter tyres at all, which is probably why most drivers can’t deal with it
I'm told to never scrape those heated front screens. Nice on the fly video Roman and Tommy. Love it when you guys do this 👍
I've had them, never had problems with scraping screen of most of snow/ice to get the process going, or scrape once most of it melted.
I go outside start my D2 up. Turn on the heated windscreen and seat warmers. Go back inside for 10 minutes. When Im ready to go I dont have to scrape much off the truck at all. I love my heated windscreen! Although in NC I only get to use it a few times a year at best.
@@krover01 how much fuel are you wasting along with engine wear idling for 10 minutes?
I lie in bed and start mine using my phone to defrost and get it up to temp 😂😅😅
@@JTR253 Probably some tiny fraction of a gallon and virtually no meaningful wear. Our vehicles exist to serve us, not the other way around.
Great winter driving bonding of father and son...
I wanna go to CU Boulder but as a Cali Kid I'm not a huge Fan of that weather all semester long:/ I'm just not built for cold snowy weather.
Does it really change from 30 to 50 in a week? 'cause then I could manage a few snow storms. Just not from October to April every week
More like in a day lol. Today it felt like 65, last week though it was snowing.
When we had a Disco 2 it rocked in the snow. Heavy vehicle with good tires and it was tank like...
What size tires and brand do you on there? Thanks!
1971 Buick called it “MaxTrac”. the Riviera, Estate Wagon, Electra 225, Centurion, and LeSabre.
Great video.
What do you think about the duratrac tires compared to ko2 in the snow/ice roads?
Hands down the Dura-trac tires, the Ko haven't changed since they came out. They are an old design compared to modern tires.
shockracer the ko2 (2015 redesign) are new tire based on compound they use. Even the general’s new ATX uses same tread design.
Duratracs do look better/ more aggressive tire.
@@shockracer The KO2 is very different from the original KOs. Very good in the snow. Not great on ice though.
I have the Duratrac on my rig and they perform great on snow and off road. This are the few off road tire that are rated as snow tire with the pick mountain snow logo on the side wall. Of course it is not a 100% dedicated snow tire as some winter tires but they outperform any A/T M/T tires in the market. Also any tire, eve dedicated snow tire will spin in hard acceleration and hard braking will skid. So those test are not accurate. More accurate will be will a all season one and A/T M/T side by side under the same condition. But so far this proof why the Duratrac tires and the #1 tire on sales in Canada for rigs and Pick up trucks. Because you don't need 2 set of tires to deal on between seasons.
Please tell me more about the temperature gauge you have installed on the Disco.
Thank yot
Install EBC Brakes, green ones. Made a dramatic difference on my 2003 MY D2. Try and you will see
I have fuzion suv tires on my 05 z71 suburban. I can't say enough about them. For short money they last, low low noise and the truck will stand up and dance in the snow.
You guys should do a test on treadwright tires because they've been the toughest and best tires I've ever owned. Never had a flat, even driving through mesquite.
I love when they go on some kind of adventure.
Great video. i enjoyed that, having owned a D1 V8. i really want to get one of these D2 v8 series 2. Thanks for not posting a video with music. will watch more if you do.
Haha I got a disco 2 also! She's still going strong after 138k miles hoping for another 138 😂 love this vehicle.
i am on my 4th one...been driving one since 04' !!! currently driving a 2000 HSE7 w dif lock upgrade kit. i love this truck. 126k and counting.
What is a 138 ??
196k on my 2001 D2!
@@ballardstowingandoffroadre2367 138 thousand miles
For you Land Rover owners, what has maintenance been like? I love the creature comforts in these things and their prices are staggering low. I've heard there are years and/or engines to avoid?
The Freelander had Traction control as well as Hill descent control, the P38 Range Rover also has Traction control before this.
P38 was first Land Rover with traction control, rear wheels only before 1999 and four wheel TC for 99 to 2001.
One of the issues is overheating...yep and another is engine management, air suspension leaks, central locking, leaky sunroof, failing prop shafts, blown head gaskets, failed air conditioning, crap plastic heater joints, oil pumps...apart from that its a great truck
Nathan, Roman and team - you guys are always making great videos, specially related to snow performance of different cars/truck. Can you please make a video for Renegade upland 4X4, in snow. Cheers and keep up the good work!!
I've always wanted a Disco II (form factor, good mix of interior luxury and practicality, etc) but always hear they take more maintenance than a Renix XJ. Which I don't mind but what's the real world (vs interwebs word) reliability of these for long term use? I have an XJ and an '04 Tacoma. ... Love your stuff!
It’s all about finding one with a good motor. Yes, it does require a few mods & weekly maintenance. But love mine.
Tommy is scratching that paint like a pro.
*Clear the frickin snow off the top of your vehicle, people.*
Do *YOU* want to be killed by flying ice/snow on the freeway?
Duratracs are a great snow tire! them even come predrilled for studs to be a snow only tire.
I have the same chassis of Range Rover, the P38. Steel springs. New falken wildpeak AT3. They are correct it has a high pressure ABS-based traction. Low range engages electronically. It all works well. I don’t think mine has a diff lock control.
Curious how you chose Duratracs over BFGs
I just moved to Colorado and just got my first land Rover would love to have one of ur stickers on my back window
Standing in front of a vehicle as it pulls off on an icy road is a great way to win a Darwin award.
This so makes me want to get my 2003 disco road worthy!
Top tip.....let the vehicle warm up while you clear the snow off.
I would consider this more a test of the tires then a test of the snow ability of the Discovery. Proper snow tires should be a a requisite for driving any vehicle in the snow, let alone test it. I don't understand how this is not the default in the US.
“That’s not snow that’s dust” hahah true Ontario 🇨🇦 ✋
I thought tommy was a grumpy old bloke when the vid 1st started 😂
Good video, nice and easy Sunday viewing 👍🏻
I believe the Range Rover classic was the first suv with traction control. I believe it was first available only on the rear axle.
Thats correct.. starts on the classic and then on the p38
Alberta already got it's first snow on October 2nd and it was 50+cm
Eye Of Gaming Not my part of Alberta, it was more like Sept 15.
Sipes are for ice, snow tires are designed to trap snow in the thread, because snow is what grips best to snow.
Hey Roman and Tommy, big time question. I live in R.I., lots of snow here and I drive a 2016 Tacoma TRD off road. What's the best AT tire for the snow. I don't go off roading.I'm only really concerned about the snow. I don't really care for the good year Kevlar tires. They need to look beefy. Thanks boys. Keep it up!
Absolutely love this Disco.
Is this a Td5 engine ?
I can’t wait for them to really take this in the snow. Also it looks like Roman lives in a pretty nice neighborhood...
Exactly what I observed ..
DISCOVERY Series II !!!!
Cross country tyres are not winter tyres, the rubber compound is not good after 7C. I have 42 min 4x4 winter driving on my channel. It’s a bit boring but I move through dif lock, low, and the DHC in my LR4 2016.
But winter tyres are amazing in these situations.
IMO and experience, a vehicle's capability in the snow is around 90% based on tyre selection, 8% on it being 4x4 or FRD/RWD, 2% on the actual vehicle... my point being, I think a RWD Ford Sierra would probably be better in the snow than a Discovery on summer tyres.
I got to drive a number of new Landrover products back in 2014 on a Landrover off-road experice day. The Defender was disappointing IMO. As it had open diffs all round, you had to wait for the rather agricultural DSC to kick in before it locked a spinning wheel, then it went off in a rather jerky fashion. The '80s 4x4 Ford Sierra's & Granadas had viscous diffs all round, so the power transfer was more progressive.
I do like a lot of Landrover products though.
The snowy whether seems almost like summer in Norway, but less snow
Here in Canada it’s a ticket if you don’t clean the snow off the top! Could be dangerous for your self and other drivers... especially on the highway
Test every AWD vehicle you can in the snow.Including that Subaru.Although you may have to do abit of guess work on how much is the AWD system and how much is the tires. Still with some testing it might give folks a little bit of an ideal in what to expect.