The Drydock - Episode 283 (Part 1)
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- Опубликовано: 12 июл 2024
- 00:00:00 - Intro
00:00:34 - Why do USN Fleet and Light Carriers, as well as Light and Heavy cruisers, share hull number sequences, when Escort and Large cruisers have their own?
00:04:25 - How long did it take nations to catch up with other nations armour technology?
00:10:34 - Smaller ships of the South American Dreadnought race?
00:15:56 - Easily detachable armour plate?
00:20:51 - Fleets, Flotillas, and Squadrons what are the differences and how have they changed during the period the channel covers?
00:27:47 - Battleship armour resistance, ships which broke with the 'rule of thumb' of resisting their own guns?
00:33:06 - If Hood doesn't detonate, how does the rest of the battle with Bismarck play out?
00:40:23 - Do you need to change gun breechs as much as gun barrels?
00:43:50 - Gato/Balao class 'cage' refit?
00:47:45 - The Type 96 25 mm Japanese AA gun vs the German 3.7 cm SK C/30?
00:52:15 - Was Captain Barron remiss in his duty during the Chesapeake/Leopard affair?
00:58:31 - Considering how at the Battle of the Denmark Strait Prince Eugen detected the British with it's hydrophones before they came over the horizon. Was there ever any research or attempts by surface warships to search for the enemy acoustically while concealing ones own position until ready to engage the enemy?
01:00:37 - If the Royal Navy is Rome, who is their Hannibal?
01:02:54 - How portable were floating drydocks?
01:06:19 - Design/Engineering of sails?
01:14:21 - Numbers on the back of coats in the RN?
01:17:31 - How was the Mary Rose salvaged since the Protection of Wrecks Act was passed several years earlier?
01:22:13 - If there is no war with Japan or even the threat of war with Japan and the US only had to deal with war against Germany & Italy, what do you think the USN would have looked like during WW2?
01:30:34 - Was there any Marine Nationale warship of the interwar or WW2 period associated with a red fish symbol?
01:32:16 - What most likely caused the destruction of Jaime I?
01:34:33 - Lifeboat just floating off a sinking ship?
01:38:13 - When were gas ejection systems for large caliber, breech loading guns realized as necessary?
01:40:43 - Did anyone except the USN use Blimps in WW2?
01:43:19 - Realistically, could two Wickes-class destroyers really take out an Amagi-class battlecruiser?
01:47:04 - What were the benefits and drawbacks of splitting the Pacific theater into “Admiral Nimitz's fief” and “General MacArthur's fief”?
01:50:47 - Why did the Japanese change their heavy cruiser guns from 200 mm to 203 mm? And also 155 mm guns when they already had 152? Given that barrel boring and rifling was and still is the hardest part of gun manufacturing, changing the tooling like that doesn't make a lot of sense to me?
01:52:33 - Did the Royal navy and fleet air arm ever attack mainland Germany in air raids like how the US Navy attacked Japan?
01:54:42 - How do you think the 2nd London Treaty would have differed from reality if Japan had a similar willingness to negotiate compromises and sign it as they had for Washington and 1st London?
02:00:47 - Why did the Royal Navy effectively discontinue the name Victoria after the pre-dreadnought?
02:02:45 - SBD bouncing off Enterprise at Santa Cruz?
02:09:44 - Would AP shells have been better in the Iwo Jima bombardment?
02:12:01 - Were the guns from the damaged USS Oklahoma installed on USS Pennsylvania in 1945 and used to get a few shots in at Wake Island, thus having Oklahoma in the battle, in a small way?
02:13:03 - What are good books/authoritative resources on the naval history of British Malaya and Borneo in WW1 and WW2?
02:16:21 - How significant was loss of speed during combat maneuvers for steam and steel ships?
02:24:38 - How much had materials science advanced in terms of being able to make battleship armour today?
02:31:56 - Did the Great Hurricane of 1780 significantly affect the naval aspects of the American Revolutionary War?
02:35:30 - How should Beatty have acted at Jutland?
02:42:11 - Why were Italian frogmen generally more successful than their Japanese counterparts?
02:45:41 - How were B-24 and other four engine heavy bombers used to close the mid Atlantic gap?
02:50:57 - If you were asked to produce a naval 'Band of Brothers' style TV show what ship/era would you choose for the show and why?
02:59:03 - Battle of the Komandorski Islands questions?
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I would love to see and hear the conversation between Drach and Mrs Drach when he tries to persuade her that the 1-1 scale replica of Warspite would totally fit in their back garden.
"When you said you were going to add a 'scenic ocean view' to our yard, this was NOT what I had in mind."
@@Wolfeson28🤣
Remind me again - HOW big was the Garden?
LOL That is a lot down the line of what I see when asking my wife about this or that, as for my getting a 1-1 scale anything will not happen.
wrt the question about gas ejection systems in guns, the incident on Missouri that Drac mentioned produced several changes in USN turret design. At the time, the gunners were supposed to inspect the gun chamber for embers or flames, before ramming the next shot. Missouri was on a gunnery training exercise on April 13, 1904. After firing, the crew began ramming the next shot. When the first two bags were rammed, they immediately ignited. Inspection of the turret after the fire found the rammer still fully extended. Flames shooting out of the breech ignited the two bags still on the hoist, because the hoist was completely unprotected. Burning propellant fell from the hoist car in the turret down the barbette, igniting more charges in the handling room at the bottom of the barbette. Thirty six men died that day. The navy decreed that air injections systems be installed in the guns, and that hoists be completely enclosed in trunks with flash proof shutters.
There was one turret explosion in WW2 and the determination was under powered air pressure clearing the breech
BIG PROBLEM with other nations operating blimps in WW2- after the R101 and Hindenburg tragedies, manned airships with hydrogen was OUT OF THE QUESTION. Meanwhile the only nation with helium was the US and we classified it as a 'strategic material' throughout the war. Meaning that the State Department would likely not have released it even to the UK during wartime. So that means pretty much only the US is going to operate manned airships.
Yh I understand what your saying but tbh honest Britain by ww2 was using kites in the navy at that the beginning & radar took over as we was the most advanced nation developing it & if it wasn't for us the U.S. would of struggled & been yrs behind. Also tbh we was the only nation that could supply uranium for the manhatton project so I'm sure we had a lot of leverage etc.
"Whose coat is it?"
When I was in US Air Force Basic Training, everyone was issued a rubber stamp, laundry-resistant ink, and a stamp pad (I'm fairly certain I still have it - 40 years later).
You stamped all your issued clothing items except for socks. You were given scraps of cloth to mark with the stamp and sturdy safety pins used to attach your socks together with the marked scrap. That was to make sure items from the weekly bulk laundry could be returned to you.
I forget if my fabric raincoat was dry-clean only, but we had to stamp those as well - I think on the large square manufacturer's military specification label.
In 1999 while crewing a tour boat on Lake Minnetonka, I saw an elderly passenger with a ballcap that said "USS Enterprise 1942-1946". I asked him where he was when the forward elevator blew off after the ship was hit by a kamikaze at Okinawa. He said he was standing in the aft end of the island, and the explosion shook the whole ship.
It is always flabbergasting to listen to the depth of knowledge Drach brings to bear in these long Q&A sessions. These are live streams, fer Chrissake! The man is mostly doing this extemporaneously, even if he's had some time to consider the questions beforehand. I'm a nerd, so I can recognize nerd greatness, and this is it. :)
Just to clarify, the Pará class from Brazil is named after a state. "Parar" means "stop" in portuguese, "Pará" is a state in northern Brazil ;)
Missed opportunity to have a state called 'stop' if you ask me. 😉
@@nvelsen1975 Oh, believe me, we make those types of jokes here. We have a state called "Thick Bush" and another called "South Thick Bush"
Do stop signs in Brazil have little maps of the state on them?
Nah - You're putting us on
We ALL KNOW it was because the cunning aspect was the facility to airdrop them - enabling deployment incredibly them swiftly in theatre. 🙄
I... was talking about the midget submariners in Japanese service. You know, the ones the IJN had a lot of hopes for during the Attack on Pearl Harbor but pretty much amounted to nothing then and throughout the war. Sorry for the mix-up in communication Drach.
We all live inna midget submarine !
@@murrayscott9546, we must be a bunch of ocean-going clowns.
@@johannderjager4146 Crash-dive
A Japanese midget sub did manage to sink an old Australian ferry that was being used as a depot ship in one of their ports. Although that's hardly a major achievement, certainly not compared to the Italian mini subs sinking a British battleship.
A midget submarine most certainly torpedoed the U.S.S. Oklahoma on December7 1941.
Your creative use of the AA gun sounds for the question before mine was helpful and illustrative!
00:10:34 - Smaller ships of the South American Dreadnought race?
ARGENTINA
- Battleships: 2 vessels acquired (28,000t and 12x305mm+12x152mm); and 1 approved-cancelled vessel (356mm).
- Cruisers: No vessel orders (only improvements to existing ones).
- Destroyers: 4 vessels acquired (1,000t and 4x102mm+4x533mm); 4 vessels ordered-sold (1,000t and 4x102mm+4x533mm); 4 vessels ordered-requisitioned (1,000t and 4x102mm+4x533mm); and 4 vessel ordered-requisitioned (1,200t and 4x102mm+8x533mm).
- Submarines: No vessels orders (only design studies).
BRAZIL
- Battleships: 2 vessels acquired (19,000t and 12x305mm+20x120mm); 1 vessel ordered-sold (28,000t and 14x305mm+20x152mm, redesigned from 32,000t and 12x356mm+16x152mm); and 1 vessel ordered-cancelled (31,000t and 8x381mm+14x152mm).
- Cruisers: 2 vessels acquired (3,100t and 10x120mm+4x457mm); and 1 vessel approved-cancelled (3,200t and 10x120mm+4x457mm).
- Destroyers: 10 vessels acquired (500t and 2x102mm+2x457mm); and 5 vessels approved-cancelled (500t and 2x102mm+2x457mm).
- Submarines: 3 vessels acquired (200t and 2x457mm).
CHILI
- Battleships: 2 vessels ordered-cancelled (28,000t and 14x356mm+16x152mm).
- Cruise ships: No vessel orders (only canceled modernization projects on existing ones).
- Destroyers: 2 vessels acquired (1,400t and 6x102mm+3x457mm); 4 vessels ordered-requisitioned (1,500t and 6x102mm+3x533mm).
- Submarines: 2 vessels ordered-requisitioned/stoled (300t and 4x457mm).
I hope I don't forget anyone else. I am omitting gunboats and other small or non-oceanic vessels.
Drach: I've seen several other channels, and even some acedemics refer to your analysis and conclusions re: Hood's explosion vis-a-vis how a shell may have pierced the magazine, due to the ship's speed and hydrodynamics...
Have you considered publishing? (in a peer reviewed journal, a technical analysis of your argument?)
Just a thought.
(Also, re: hannibal- John Paul Jones? Kinda/sorta, for sheer pain-in-the-ass-ness)
wrt the question about the portability of floating drydocks, USS Dewey, YFD-1 was built in Maryland in 1905. In December, 05, her tow began, across the Atlantic, through the Med, through Suez and the Indian Ocean, arriving in the Philippines in July 1906. At the time, that was the longest tow every successfully completed.
I think I was first subscribed when you had under 50,000 subscribers. I do remember thinking the "Drydock" was a great addition so not long before that started I think. Thanks for your dedication. 😎🍀
Hi Drach. Regarding the hull numbers for the US Independence-class carriers. If I remember correctly, those ships were originally ordered as "CV", hence their hulls would be contiguous with the other carriers. The "CVL" designation came later, but the hull numbers weren't changed because, as you stated, the ships were still considered part of the fleet carrier mission. The "light" and "heavy" cruisers were pretty much set to the same mission profile, soi they were given hull numbers in series. The Alaska-class were a new breed of cat, so they got a new hull number series.
Re: Beatty doing things better… history is replete with people who were promoted beyond their optimum competence. Beatty being a shining example… The combination of personality, native-intelligence, training, experience, status, Edwardian-era, birthright etc. made him who he was. He would have eventually hit his competence ceiling - unfortunately that happened when it could be least afforded. Halsey might be cited as another apt example.
Apropos of nothing: In German, "Drachinfels" means Dragon's Rock
I have been wondering this for quite some time, couldn't find the meaning lol, thank you !
6 hours of Drydock on a rainy Saturday! Perfect!
About the questing regarding the numbering of coats, inventory is one reason (usually they're one-size-fits-all) and is also for when they are issued they are numbered to recognize what coat belongs to who. The original tradition for numbering the coats was to identify who was wearing what if they, for one reason or another, went into the water and drowned or died from injury. It was a grim way of identifying during the first and second world wars, but it was done for accountability of personnel more than inventory of coats. Now days, the tradition of numbering coats is still a thing, only now the numbers are placed INSIDE the coats and that is for inventory use only.
Using the last 3 digits of one's service number or similar? Typical in the UK to use last 3 to identify an individual (e.g. smith 849 Vs smith 237
@@johnsweet1915 For the US, since it is about inventory, it comes down to the number of personnel attached to a unit. The number issued to an individual is generally random, but is recorded upon being issued. If a unit has let's say 2000 personnel attached, then the numbers would start at 0001-2000. Of course, there are replacements in storage for damage or lost items and that became the case, the replacement would take on the number of the item it replaces. Prior to the 1920s, floatation devices weren't required for sailors onboard ship, so numbering jackets was crucial for identification, especially if a body was in the water for more than a few days (decay sets in quickly in salt water), which was one of the reasons why numbering was needed. For sure, if one sailor went overboard and/or was unidentifiable due to injury, it could be deduced that the one person not counted in muster was the the identified sailor. However, if there were multiple sailors involved, their crews would want every avenue of identification they could available to them. Sorry for the rambling. I can get carried away sometimes. 🙃
Drydocks:
There is the iconic photo of USS Iowa in ABSD-2. There were several of these docks built that had ten pontoon sections when fully assembled (around 1000ft). For ocean transport the dock was disassembled the wing walls folded down inward to reduce windage so each pontoon could be easily towed individually. The sections could be arranged in any combination, and today the Vigor yard in Portland OR operates a dock with four sections. It is common to see pontoons from ABSD's now used as ramps for unloading car carriers.
"Modern armour": Apparently some turbine blades are grown as single crystals. -- Imagine the front plate of a gun turret as a single crystal. ...And not even one of steel, but grown from molten nickel, with some extra elements.
THAT would be a piece of engineering...
(Could I join in the process? -- Please? ! )
Regarding the one about resonance and vibration, my wife is a noise and vibration engineer for an airplane manufacturer. Even to this day, their usual way of finding out if something will have vibration issues in the real world is to go put it on a shaker table for hours at a time, varying the frequency, direction, etc. of the movement over and over again. No model is good enough to ensure that it's actually safe - you need to physically shake it and see what happens.
If that's what you do for a new headphone jack on the in-flight entertainment system, makes sense that it's much worse for whole ships.
Having had the opportunity to sail on various sailing vessels over the years, I'm thinking particularly of a Top-sail Schooner and 6th rate frigate, I'd make the following observations.
The Schooler had restrictive views. You constantly had to change side of the ship because the sails were in the way.
The Frigate was a pain in full sail to get any kind of view ahead from the quarter deck because the sails were in the way. If you did furl the mainsails, you could actually see ahead from the quarterdeck.
Ah it wouldn't be Sunday afternoon without a drydock episode.
Oh. Okay I'll stop watching and wait for the afternoon......in 6 hours!
Or 2. Or hours of droning about cool watery floaty things
Cochrane of course provided the basis for not only the Hornblower series of novels but also the Aubrey novels
You know what would actually make a good ship for a "Band of Brotherrs" series? The USS Pensacola. It was never a major key combatant that stole headlines, but the damned ship was *everywhere*. An overgunned and elderly light cruiser forced to pretend to be a heavy cruiser because of the treaty definitions, she was headed into the Phillipenes during Pearl Harbor and was part of that confused mess in Brisbane, escorted the Lexington (TF11) during the early island raids and got some fo the first American AA kills of the war.
At Midway when Yorktown was dead in the water, she shot down four (!) torpedo bombers and probably saved the ship (for a little while). She fought in a ton of actions around Guadalcanal, was alongside Hornet when she was sunk, survived the debacle at Savo Island (although taking a Long Lance and losing over a hundred men) and rolled into Tulagi under her own power while still burning brightly. She escaped Tulagi by camouflaging herself as a freakin' *island* (no joke!) and was back in the fight in less than a year. and fought everywhere from Alaskan waters down to the Phillipenes again. She did shore bombardment on too many islands to list (including the big ones like Iwo Jima and Okinawa. She did everything, her scout plane even scored an aerial kill!
After surviving absolutely every thing and earning a ridiculous 13 battle stars, she was *nuked* twice in Operation Crossroads in 1946. The ship was a witness to history, and a show that follows her would cover a great deal of the most interesting parts of the Pacific War.
The prop guards on GATO/BALAO class subs were usually removed (COs discretion) before going out on a combat patrol. WAHOO removed hers before leaving Mare Island from overhaul. If you look at the guards, they are constructed in a way that they can be tacked onto the hull while the boat was in dockyard hands and removed when heading out.
Flotilla, squadron, ... usn Details everything. .. you two ships go that way!
It wouldn't be "Band of Brothers" style but I would love to see both a miniseries on the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal, and a 2 hour movie on the Battle off Samar.
While I know that most modern explosives are fairly stable without their detonators get them initiated, and the hull of an iron, or steel hulled ship makes a fairly decent Faraday cage, the sort of explosive bolt ideas for detachable armor you were mentioning has me imagining an absolutely terrifying/hilarious scenario where a lightning strike might cause a section of armor to pop off.
Unlikely in the extreme, I know.
It doesn't matter how long this is, it never gets boring
I love it. Even talks about Reardon Steel here.
Regarding the bouncing Dauntless: carrier-based versions used a solid rubber tailwheel tire with the usual hydraulic shock system. I imagine that might have contributed to the skipping.
Imagine the computer modelling for the Millennium Bridge.
There are some pedestrian bridges across the R. Clyde. The old one with chains bounces well.
Regarding the coats at 1:14:23, foul weather gear is not a uniform item owned by individual sailors. They are what's known as organizational clothing. Owned and issued by the ship or command, and inventoried as such. So each one has the organization's name and a number spray painted on them. That does mean that multiple people have used a coat over the life of the ship.
At least that is how it is in the modern USN, I suspect it was the same in the RN.
A TV series about Warspite would, I think, benefit from distinguished narration, in which we find out in the end, Warspite was herself the narrator.
17:10 - Just drill a small hole _into_ the bolt and fill it with explosive (like the explosive bolts they use in spacecraft nowadays). Hey presto, now you can shear the bolt with negligible danger of hull damage!
Regarding the "quick release armor", another major reason it is a bad idea is the effect of several thousands of tons of armor plate falling off to the ship's stability. Even as a counter to the weight of flooding it would remove the stabilizing force that would otherwise be a partial or substantial counter to the free-surface effect of the flooding.
What should Beatty have done NUMBER ONE. Act like he's in charge of the recce screen for the Grand Fleet and tell Jellicoe what is going on! But for some inspired guess work by Jellicoe, Beatty almost led the Grand Fleet into an unintentional German trap! (PS I wrote this thinking you'd used up your allocated changes before you mentioned this as the last item; I still think this is the number onbe though)
a Band of Brothers series but based on unsinkable Sam and his (mis)adventures , but he also goes down to S Africa and meets Just Nuisance where they drink beer and play hooky on the Trains without paying. Also they can have Simon the cat from HMS Amethyst
Get Aardman to make it , and Gromit's Great Grandad can make an appearance. Timelines might be a bit off
Naval Band of Brothers. Arguably it was done seventy years ago with the Cruel Sea. If you want a destroyer rather than a corvette, it was done eighty years ago in In Which We Serve. Other possibilities, "Johnnie" Walker and his escort group or Max Horton and his sub in the Baltic.
Always great to hear an answer to one's question! :D
Regarding the "super armour". The changes to the armour deck and how the superstructure is protected could be a bigger deal than the main belt. That's a lot of weight removed from on high. Or, a massive amount of protection for a similar weight.
For the flotilla/squadron/fleet question, I suppose one might approach it from the other direction and just look at what rank of officer is in command of it.
With reference to your comment about the number of Oberons preserved, did they become available at the moment that interest in preservation was starting. I was delighted to see Ocelot in Chatham as I saw her launched, in fact I believe she was the one that missed the the entrance to Whitewall Creek and got her stern stuck on the mud on the other side of the river. I actually saw Oberon, Ocelot, Onslaught. Objibwe launched, from our boat which was anchored by the Royal Engineers hard. Okenagan I saw from the shed as dad had complimentary tickets to the launch. Chatham claimed to have built a submarine for every year that the Navy had submarines.
I also remember seeing a very well-worn submarine come up the river, possibly early '50s. The story that I heard this was Finwhale, which in company Porpoise had been doing under-ice trials during which they put the wind up USS Skate and a Soviet boat
Lurking in the same area. They had been fitted with experimental casings made of fibreglass, unfortunately when they came up through the ice the springiness of the Grp carried away the fixings, the casings then floating away.
Geoff Stevens.
I think the fact Prince of Wales with at most 5 guns able to fire and a lot of the time less was still the most accurate ship there means once the turn is complete and it has 4 more guns, that yes will degrade over time, however will hit quickly. I don't see how Bismarck is going to do well. Espcially when the Cruisers get involved.
I will say that in the sinking of the Titanic, Collapsible A did actually float off the deck loaded as the Titanic’s final plunge began.
It was a pretty close run thing as the crew had to cut its ropes free because they had been trying to launch it normally. And then it’s described that the wave created by the 1st funnel collapsing pushed it clear of the ship.
Time to start writing two good script pages per day, Drach. in your spare time, of course. There was a British author who wrote two good pages a day on his daily train commute, and after a year, had around 700 pages in hand for his first book.
Bit of a supplement to the Lucitania sinking in May 1915. The U Boat captain was Walther Schweiger (which Ironically means 'Silent' in English). Much argument ensued about the legitimacy of that but Luscitania was carrying 170+ tons of munitions .
He had a bad rep for 'shoot first ask questions later'. This was deserved. 2 months earlier he torpedoed a Hospital ship which would have sunk had the crew not grounded her.
He sadly perished in Sept 1917, probably a result of running into a mine.
Another possibility if a navy developed a 'super armor' as described would be to *say* it's got 4" of armor, but build it with 5", and watch it shrug off anything smaller than battleship guns. So long as you could keep the secret, having your enemies expect to be fighting a ship with 4" of protection but having it have effectively 10" of protection would be a very rude surprise.
Alternately, depending on priorities and doctrine, they could leave the armor at 4", weighing the same as 2", and let the weight savings translate to greater speed, though that might be less of an advantage
You must be watching too much Captain America? Vibranium shields are not real. 🛡️
@@WALTERBROADDUS I never said it did. I was replying to a question asked for this vid. Specifically the one at 4:25 where Drach mentioned the options a navy might have if it developed an armor that offered much better protection than an equal thickness of what everyone else was using. Using the figures he gave for his theoretical 'super armor' in the question. That, by the way, is why I said 'as described'; I was literally referring to what he said.
Also, yay for Saturday night!!
Cue the Bay City Rollers !
As regards a BoB-type series: love the idea of HMS Warspite. Due to my specific interests, I'd be looking at basing something on 'MGB 658' by Len Reynolds looking at the small boat war in the Med. And maybe stretching the source material into the Atlantic too ;-)
Brazil mentioned?? Let's gooooooooooo!
Insofar as Naval Technology vs Military Tech. I believe you must look at the continued development of (propeller) screw design. Much of this was the off shoot of regular or civillian industrial design to eliminate cavitation.
The idea of special lightweight but strong metal to be used in armor would naturally be developed for commercial cargo ship frame construction.
Unless or until some inspired folks put it togeather. It is more likely that armor development would come from military technology.
Thus a situation on a cruiser that the modern strong, lightweight frame would carry on it heavy old fasioned armor.
1:43:22 If one of those destroyers was named USS John Wicks, then forget about sinking a single ship, the IJN is doomed.
I lovva good broad-roll ! Beena while.
Best theme song on RUclips
Thanks Drach.
Early-model B24s were regarded with suspicion by their crews because the Davis wing flexed rather more in-flight that your average crew was used to. Additionally, some early models were inexplicably lost without any chance to radio out an emergency. The latter (if I recall correctly) was eventually traced to a badly designed hydraulic system. Nevertheless, it was nicknamed 'The Whore', because 'it lacks any form of visible support'.
Note: It is possible that I have conflated that nickname with the B26, which was also regarded with suspicion because of the tiny (for the time) wing.
Numbers on coats. The numbers being on the left or right of the seam could have another function. Assuming they are hung up either on both sides of a passageway. The number would be shown when hung up with 115 being hung on the right side, number out. 2-- would be on the left wall, number out.
On a naval Band of Brothers style show, I think your mistake is looking for people. A focus on a ship would be an obvious choice for me and I would ideally look for a ship that was present and involved in various events of differing scales and such.
For a ship like HMS Norfolk, you ahve the crew on the ship and coming home to Britain as the drums of war start beating.
Then move into her hunting for the Scharnhorst, Gneisenau, etc.
Then the story of the Bismarck.
Moving on to the Arctic and finally getting to sink its teeth into the Scharnhorst.
Closing out with operations off Norway, including rhe return of the Royal family.
I am sure there are much better options as well. But I believe a ship focussed series would flow much better than one focussed on individuals. Although I would probably prefer a smaller ship what wws present at lots of events to a capital ship.
Your core cast would be a selection of ratings and warrant officers who stayed with the ship for the vast majority of the period.
I just liked 👍 part 2. Too
While the heavy Armor might not improve that much, the anispalling armor and thinnerarmor would be much improved, the use of Kevlar for shrapnel, Lithium-aliminum.instead of Duralumin, and Fiberglass for small boat hulls would have made a difference.
Honestly, focusing on a cruiser like Boise or Helena could be fun. Boise because she was part of ABDA and of guadalcanal fame. Helena because her active career was very active until when she got sunk
Re the numbers on the back of coats?? When I wirked the rigs, coveralls were laundered and the cabin number was the identifier? So if these jackets need to be dried on a rack its done numerically?..
A show based on the story of the crew of the Zuikaku or the Shigure would also make a great series.
TACOMA NARROWS BRIDGE is always the best example when explaining resonance….also, WASHINGTON MENTIONED LETS GOOOOOOOO
Fleet. Flotilla's and Squadrons, reminds me of the old diddy " The North Atlantic Squadron". 🤣
Goodness, I would LOVE, a dramatised TV series, a la BoBs, on HMS Warspite!
The voyage of the Emden, WW1, to the surviors making it back to Germany might make a good naval band of Brothers show.
Perhaps William Randolph Hearst could tell us what caused the explosion of the Jaime I?
For the destroyer men question, it was a night action in a harbor and one of the destroyers was set to pull a cambledown and the amagi was sunk by a mine as it was retreating.
About improving the metallurgy of armor using face harden steel, I don't think the improvements would necessarily that great from alloying, heat treatment, etc. I think we would be more consistent in the composition and hardening techniques because of better control. This would mean the margin required to account for quality differences is less and thus the plate could theoretically be made thinner. But the problem would be are you maybe gaining a 2 or 3% reduction in thickness or a 10 or 15% reduction. I tend to think 2 or 3% is more accurate.
24:06 I wonder about the Royal Navy's doctrine at the time of Jutland about putting the Invincibles in line of battle when their belt protection was so weak.
2:51:17
For a 'Band of Brothers' style TV show, covering Captain Walker & the crew of HMS Starling would fit the bill.
Concerning the MacArthur question: While it is often spoken about as an Army/Navy issue but the Army never wanted MacArthur. He was retired and everyone was happy about that. Politics kept him in command, which he was never prepared to command. Many other options were available and would have been a better choice.
On Hood and Prince of Wales vs Bismarck, the British do have one big advantage. They can afford their ships to be battle damaged. The Germans, being a long way from the nearest friendly ports, the way to them patrolled by more British ships and aircraft, can't. The damage Bismarck had sustained before the fatal hit on Hood was already critical. She was going to be lucky to get either to Norway or to St Nazaire. Any more damage to Bismarck would have most likely been fatal even if the Germans did pull some sort of pyrrhic victory out of the battle.
Since you mentioned it, while not a naval subject, would you consider doing perhaps a fun Friday episode on the Tacoma Narrows Bridge? As a competent engineer who csn also explain things, which is something of a rarity, I'd enjoy hearing your thoughts.
Britains Hannibal was really Napoleon. The Royal Navy is like Scipios Spanish armies going about dismantaling Hannibal/Napoleons empire and alliances whilst he is unable to face them personally. Difference is Scipio got to beat Hannibal at his Waterloo (Zama) whilst the Royal navy only got to watch Napoleons defeat.
Philip Vian would make a great focus for a series.
@Drachinifel At 1 hr 5 min, your comments Drach on seaworthiness of floating drydocks sparked a thought- awareness, knowledge and understanding of rogue waves and ship design features to protect against rogue wave encounters didn't arise until after WW2. In hindsight, in reviewing primary and auxiliary warship losses since the emergence of iron hulls, are any now known to be lost to rogue waves either because the hull design was poor or because the ship was unprepared (poorly loaded or overloaded) to encounter and survive a rogue wave? Just how much awareness of unusually huge waves was there given centuries of sea travel in the age of sail, and what if anything was do e with ship design to make ships survivable against what must have seemed like a thing of folklore or legend in those times?
Numbers on the coats: my guess is they were loan clothing on the supply officer's slop chit. If you needed one you were issued one on loan,but had to give it back when you left the ship.
...mind you, I kept mine :-)
McCales Navy is a band of brothers show!!!
The obvious choice for a naval Band of Brothers is "Tin Can Titans" the story of DESRON 21. They fought from Guadalcanal to the end of the war. Halsey chose them to be the first ships into Tokyo Bay for the surrender. You could take USS Fletcher as the point of focus.
2:55:00 USS Enterprise was the subject of a 2000s History Channel ( take of that what you will) series called Battle 360. Sort of fits the idea but not so much on the personal level. Other than that I can’t think of anything similar to it featuring the Enterprise.
Re moving floating dry docks, could you not weld some sort of triangular structues to the bow & stern at the waterline to make it a bit more ship-like and improve towing performance?
How many peeps here thought the picture for drydock showed a ram ship? Took me ages to realise that this was a stern view? Also why was it shaped thus?
Band of Bro's Sail style......or WW1. battle of gallipoli naval and land. From what I remember, the Gallipoli naval battle was the first time Capital ships of GB and France came to batlle......Oh what they did that all the time.....but this was the first time they were friends. The naval mines as well as all the guns that the ottomans brought from the mountains right to the shores of the straits that those warships had to pass. They tried to get through a number of times, yet failed each time. The allies sent up mine sweepers as well as other ships in attempt to clear the way, but got pwned right nicely. I remember that it was the last attempt for the allies, an all or nothing, and they failed. They turned tail and went home. The Ottoman were out of cannon shells, b/c they also, decided it was all or nothing, and they were victorious, by just being there, as the allies didn't know that they also, were out of ammo. After that the allies did the REALLY idiotic landing at the tip of the cap of Gallipoli, and got total screwed. I read that the allies lost 350,000 during that 3 week operation....and Winnie got canned as the Lord of Admiralty or something.. You could make it like both British and French sailors, formed a brotherhood, which started before they even were told about the battle. In that time they would train against .....I mean w/ each other, honing their skills. At the start of that training have them not mix well, in a sort of "Brits don't need you land loving Frenchies." and the French respond "HAHA Why would us French ever need you limies......oh wait I know when we make a gin and tonic, we would squeeze some of your limieness in to our drink....ehhehe,.." or something like that, but as the real battle turns horrific, those sailors come to the realization that it doesn't matter what side of the the english channel you were born, nor does it matter what ensign flag fly over the ship your on, b/c the britsh die w/ just as much honor as a french man does.
Then that is when they realize that they are no longer sailors of either or any nation, but rather they have become................ A CREW of BROTHERS!
On your question on nation's and armour , you show a plate of armour with shots. Do th number next to them show the year of manufacture of the shell ? Eg sv 1814 ?thanks
LOL - If Drach mentions Jutland, Jelico, or Beatty, get a cup of coffee and get comfortable and ready to learn.
Detachable armor plate: could be done with early invention of the explosive bolt (I don't know when they were actually invented, quick google searches don't show any history for them, just basic overviews of how they work)
Maybe it'd be possible to apply progress with modern composite tank armor on a battleship scale and thickness. But... But someone eventually would fire bigger missiles at it anyway so why would anyone run their fleet into bankruptcy over doing this?
The most important drydock question is what does texas and La Shock mean?
An-la-shok is the Minbari word for ranger in Babylon 5, so it is a double nerdy joke…
"Naval Band of Brothers": SMS Emden, HMS Prince of Wales (the KGV, obviously) or USS Enterprise (CV(N)-6), or if we have to go with "good guys", maybe USS Constitution, USS Constellation or Enty.
Thing about Band of Brothers, Pacific and Masters of the Air. It focuses on the first person. So the events of a particular unit, ship, squadron etc. From a personal point of view.
If one was done about USS Enterprise. Chief Yeoman Bill Norberg is a good candidate. As he served on her from just before Pearl Harbor. All the way till she was under repair for her forward elevator being ejected at Okinawa.
"A better fire control system than point with stick" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. As in much evidence in the movie "Yamato" .
if I may say, the BoB age of sail series exists already,
in the form of the excellent Hornblower series from the late 1980s.
2:51:20 Making a film series
Best way to solve that would be to do with they did in the Admiral / De Ruyter film. They compressed the timeline and sometimes moved commanders around to cover more of the Anglo-Dutch Wars and have the protagonist (De Ruyter) be able to do more.
Sure you might end up with something ahistorical like Warspite showing up to the Battle of the Eastern Solomons, but it's better than treating viewers to a couple episodes of only deck-scrubbing. 😉
Follow up question about the gun swaps. Are there any surviving guns that participated in famous actions?
For example: Rodney's or King George V's guns that destroyed Bismark, Warspite's guns from Jutland or Matapan, or Washington's guns that sank Kirishima.
Something like a Tallboy might have had useful effects on Iwo Jima. I would guess that something like a B29 could carry one with some modifications. I suppose it would depend on how tough the local volcanic rock type was, and how much load-bearing material was left between galleries.
A novel concept. As most of Mount Suribachi was mostly Softer Pumice, it was fairly easy to mine, absorbed the explosions nearly as good as mud.
Possibly, a few would collapse part of the caves.
Shuri Castle would be a better candidate for Tallboys.
I'm not sure what you think you're going to accomplish? You a're not destroying a mountain. 🌋
@@WALTERBROADDUS The question was whether (assuming the USN knew what was coming) armour-piercing would have had more effect on the dug-in fortifications at Iwo Jima than the High-Explosive used. The answer given was 'a bit, but not much', because AP is designed to go through inches of steel and detonate, not metres of rock. My response was along the lines of 'well, if the USN knows what they are facing, what might they have found in the inventory that would get it done'. The Tallboy (Grand Slam, Cloudmaker) were specifically designed to bore through large amounts of ground and create an underground cavity into which structures above would collapse. They don't have to destroy the mountain, just collapse the tunnels inside it. Tallboys were used for a similar purpose, to collapse a critical railway tunnel under a mountain just after D-Day.
@@onenote6619 that's kind of taking the whole "what if?" thing to its 10th degree.
@@WALTERBROADDUS Agreed. But then again, Britain got Barnes Wallis to design a specific type of bomb to destroy a bunch of dams, then specially rebuilt aircraft and trained crews for that very mission. If, by some odd chance, the USN had got wind of the Iwo Jima fortifications while they were being built, I have to wonder if they would have either a) Asked industry or their allies for a solution, or b) Ignored it and thrown a bunch of marines onto the beach. Bear in mind that the USA developed the rocket-boosted 'Disney' bomb around that time, for destroying hardened U-boat shelters. They also developed some very weird and wonderful weapons that were showing promise in 1945 (pigeon-guided anti-ship weapons and bat-borne incendiary devices for Japan).
Band of brothers on sea following Enterprise.
Regarding detachable armor, were there any attempts to design ships fitted-for-but-not-with thicker armor to cheat the WNT, like the Countys and their superstructure, or the Mogamis with their guns? If not, why not?
Maybe this is just a generational thing? But what is the obsession with Cheating? There seems to be huge portion of the audience who just want to spend time trying to cheat, find loopholes or do something other than actually doing what you are supposed to do?