IF CONSISTENCY HITS "DO NOTHING", WHAT HAPPENED TO SUPERHEAVY?
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When people say “consistency hits don’t do anything” they don’t mean that the hits don’t affect the win rate. They mean that the hits don’t change the gameplay. You either have combo and make a board that wins the game or you bricked and don’t play. The hits just make the latter happen more often
Part of it might be that centurion just replaced it's place on the ladder.
It fell off before centurion release
It fell of WAY before Centurion released lmfao
Most builds of SHS I see these days are either as part of Wyrm Piles on Zefra/Swordsoul, or as part of Centur-Ion package. Both Swordsoul and Centur-Ion have Spell/Traps they can play that can be banished to keep from shutting off the effects of the SHS monsters, which is why they're common engines to utilize in both.
Also I sometimes use the Level 12 SHS Synchro in more "standard" Centur-ion builds for some draws when playing through Evenly Matched(I usually make it when someone declares end of Main, then temp banish Auxilla at the start of an empty board Battle Phase to ensure still having a bunch of resources to work with at the start of next turn), or when I want a 4k Attacker/Def position attacking(which does come up against Ice Barrier on occasion now).
In defense of the TCG is that no one was calling for the shs hit due to shs getting support I believe like 2 weeks prior. In terms of the tier 0 problem Tear and SE are great examples of how consistency doesn't matter a whole lot. Tearlaments was the top deck for I believe around 2 years and SE was the top deck until I believe Ryzeol both getting consistent hits. The misery that you are talking that the TCG is in related to lack of hits and still having the non-games Dshifter, Protos/colosus, tenpai, and ftk prior to the most recent banlist. The idea of nuking a deck has never been the idea of the TCG community. The reason people were calling for the nuking of SE was due to it being in a tier 0 format and if you didn't it would just go back to being the best deck once ROTA comes out like it was in the OCG after the consistency hits.
I do agree that the soulpiercer would have been fine simply due to their main starter was typically trying to go through soulpiercer, but you can't blame the TCG community for what konami bans/limits. This is for the same reason they don't blame the OCG/masterduel community for the hits they blame konami.
It's generally more the people in charge of the TCG that pull those sweeping bans to push new product, REGARDLESS of what the community wants. Though the community's sheer indifference at many sorts of Limits and visible disgust over the majority of semi-limits probably doesn't help matters when it comes to how they want to design their banlists.
@@MarioLopez-xs3vc Yeah I completely agree with that I don't know how people think that the community actually has say with how banlists go especially with banlists that hit stuff like lightning storm, shs scarecrow, delicious memory, and the lack of hits decks like SE and Yubel got.
I think shs fell off might be, because of maxx c. It doesnt have but two answers to it. Being ash and gamma. Cant play spells otherwise they suffer somewhat to not being able to combo off with their own card's.
But thats what i think has kept shs in check.
Also soul piercer to 1 in a 90 something use rate called by
The people who say that "consistency hits do nothing" are only looking at things if they have the optimal hand and their combos don't get interrupted. It's been proven time and time again that consistency hits do matter, it just doesn't kill a deck.
People that say consistency hits do nothing just mean that it does not fix unfun gameplay patterns and unfairly cripples an otherwise fine deck.
Take branded for example the deck is completely healthy outside of exactly expulsion/sanctifire lines.
So do you A limit all their starters or B ban sanctifire and expulsion?
Like yeah you can still play branded right now, it just feels inconsistent and you are forced to tunnel even harder onto sanctifire because your grind is also worse.
TCG players can't fathom a deck seeing less play without any outright bans.
This deck fell off for the same reason most of the other decks fell off and it’s not the hit to Soul.
Because Power creep? RACE, SeFk, VV , and etc is just better?
What other decks?
Lab? Branded? Mathmech?purrley?tear?
All are still viable and powerful
Except superheavy sam
Its not powercreep
These hits for consistency do much sometimes
@superpolymerization4169 those are still viable yeah, you got a point. I think shs is just less popular or fun. People are always going to like lab and branded forever. Waukaushi isn't that beloved lol
@@superpolymerization4169 question u name all those decks and none really care about the roach. Plus the deck wasn’t that good on ladder it look good on paper cuz of DK tournaments. Also everyone is playing like 15+ hand trap and every combo deck after was a better option since they can play spells/trap
@@safeandsound712 I love wakashi so much but fkn konami designed him and the new shs to be a combo deck instead of being something interactive and on their own
they can design fun powerful decks like branded and lab but when it comes to certain decks they just make them play a linear style
Made it 2 masters 2 times with this deck, Good memories. Its just why play this when there are better options that have access to called by and crossout
there has been a noted trend of people fleeing en masse the minute a deck gets even the slightest kiss from a banlist. There's also the fact that it's old new now and lots of people want to move on to whatever new toys come out
as far as consistency hits, it's not that they don't work its that I don't like them. I don't like the deck being the same but worse, especially if it goes on for multiple waves and you just watch the deck slowly bleed out. More to the point of the video SHS is an exception with that since soulpiercer getting hit was a consistency hit but it was also a non hard once per turn that got too out of hand at 3 with the new support and putting it to 1 reins in the loops alot more.
Purrely moment
Rn there are other combo decks that you can play without losing your spells/traps
thanks for making this video, was just thinking in building the deck after the wsc
It got play at worlds. It's just a thoroughly unfun deck
No
They played an ftk
The deck is cool without that degenerate ftk
@@superpolymerization4169 it's a solitaire deck with or without the FTK. Putting up a billion negates is effectively an FTK anyway
Piercer to 1 is the biggest problem make it the choke point of the deck ash and imperm solos the deck like nobody business, also you might not know it, but another access to make the deck actually ticking os block dragon and it's ban.
Consistency hit matter, i remember when md limit benten instead of ban eva like tcg. The tcg people cry loud but it prove them wrong, dryron dissapear😅.
Their mentality to kill deck suck. They ban miaw mu to kill prank kids out of spite
I don’t think people think consistency hits do nothing. I think people dislike consistency hits because they feel horrible for the people playing the deck and the people playing against it. No one likes bricking and no one likes getting oppressively full comboed. Consistency hits don’t reduce the amount of non games due to those situations.
I can't say consistency hits do nothing. However consistency hits shouldn't be pushed because not bricking is healthier than letting a deck perform the same broken combos people hate when they don't brick. Look at decks like Centurion (without Calamity) and Voiceless.
They have more than 12 1 card combos and most people do not hate them. The better decks become the more clear it becomes that generic negates just aren't healthy. Thus the Baronne, Apallousa,, Savage Dragon, and Beatrice(because of FTKs) bans in the TCG. People want all of their decks strongest pieces to not be generic especially since having generic cards make archetypes individually less unique. People want the game to be a game and are tired of the all out war of decks trying to make more negates than any deck should every have outside of hand traps in the main deck.
When we get cards like Flamberge generic cards become a massive problem and cards like Maxx C that almost no one wants fixes the game while introducing a level of variance that kills the competitive spirit of the game. Which is why Maxx C probably will never will come back in the TCG. Its because the closest thing we would want from Maxx C is Fuwaross and the almost entirety of the TCG community don't want Maxx C back. Because we don't want to draw 6 cards against decks like pure Swordsoul and screw the other guy on the other side of the table.
ash is the only maxx c counter in the deck(gamma is easy to play around) and it just really suffers from the bug and things like droll and shifter.
@FleurxKageShi tbf these were also factors when the deck was Tier 1
@FleurxKageShi funny enough gamma is hard to play around. Not Many players respect gamma in hand. Since not alot of decks can take advantage of it with a open board and make use of it going second. Going first, gamma is definitely not respected. Unless the opponent has extenders to play past it. Or card destruction isn't that big of a deal. Like tear, sefk and yubel
forgetting called by & crossout(maybe)???
@@SStrikeFurythe deck can’t play spells/traps
@@watcher2624 oh my b forgot he was talking about SHS
Superheavy Snake eyes is insane wakaushi is basically Bonfire + borreload
Is it better than pure SHS? Sure. Is it better than pure Snake-Eye? Nope
@@Harmonic14 honestly it is better than pure snake eye
I am curious what shs plays in the tcg now for an end board. Their whole end board (except regulus) is banned now.
I think scarecrow can come back in tcg now that baronne, borreload, king calamity, and apollousa are all banned.
Because its was always cope. Legit never got why people thought it was good, just another combo deck
I still play this and can say the trouble I run into is maxx c (I play through it sometimes and more often than not I eventually regret it) or the soulpiercer gets called by’d. Other than that it still has the power to set up a lot of negates, or hit back with the double attack masuwaro. Consistency definitely has an impact!
You should try SHS Centurion. I'm trying to put together a list and would really like to see your take on it.
I got one, deck is really fun and pretty nuts in master duel. being able to just ignore nib is wild. Note that you don't play all the centurion cards, just 1 auxila, legatia, field spell, 1 of each girl, gargoyle, wake-up and phalanx. It also gives you legitimate reasons to play masuraowo as well.
Its not so much that the deck fell off, people just moved on because you don't have the best 1-card combo with multiple soulpiercer anymore, and people don't want to rely on wagon as it's significantly more fragile.
Everyone in the comments says Maxx C but even maxx c isn't an issue as you just combo through it and aim to end on nat beast, nat barkion, apollousa, and any other omnis when possible. That board beats almost every answer that maxx c can draw you that isn't dark ruler or kaijus.
The consistency hits are also different. Soulpiercer to 1 isn't the worst. Scarecrow to 0 is however very different and makes the deck incredibly fragile as you lose both the massive consistency that a normal summoned soulpiercer gives and the massive amounts of bodies that you can generate from that singular play.
Personally I despise the idea of completely killing decks like most TCG players support. I'd prefer to either wait and see if the deck gets powercrept or see if there's other hits that can be made to keep it alive but, if you need to hit so many cards then it becomes easier to just ban 1 card instead of hitting around it. Tearlaments in MD is a great example of this, many cards were outright banned or limited just to keep kitkallos in the game while the other formats approached it differently. OCG made the deck nearly unplayable. TCG kept it playable but that leads to it being an incredibly sacky deck to play against.
Personally I recommend splashing in the centurion engine or even some karakuri plays. The centurion cards compliment the deck incredibly well and just allow you to keep spamming out powerful synchro bosses on the opponent's turn, as well as just flatout ignoring nibiru and still setting up under it. Before the most recent TCG banlist, even while baronne was banned, I was often setups that ended on a 3 mat apollousa, a banish, a blazar, and then i just made red dragon abyss on the opponent's turn, or calamity locking with an insulated crimson dragon if i just didn't want to play the game. Post-ban i'm losing the apollousa but instead i'm making saryuja to dig for more handtraps in case the opponent somehow manages to play through double negate and a banish.
I wanna play turbo negate but I cannot find a decklist
20:19 I don’t think you could’ve actually SP needs an extra monster for banish and the samurai link can’t be used for link material so what you did was right
You should try mixing it with swordsoul, it’s pretty good
while i dont think consistency hits dont matter cause personally its more about how 'fair' things feel, like 60 card decks and grass or something like tear and kitkalos no matter how consistent those decks actually are those things resolving just feel awful for the person playing against them. like sure SHS is a lot less consistent in what it does but it still has a good amount of those starters.
and i think the reason SHS fell off is just that a lot of decks in MD have just gotten to the whole mathmech deck building philosophy of just running a LOT of handtraps with as small an engine as you can thru konami's current design trend. assuming you have the resources, why play SHS when something like fire king snake eyes or yubel does the same thing but usually also has the ability to run spell/traps and give you better follow up and the ability to play around things SHS cant.
Its still good as an engine no? man if I had the cards in MD I woulda put it in my tear deck instantly, imagine Pend summoning a single Reinoheart after they used all their handtraps into them scooping
going second with this deck isnt pretty bad?
I just craft those cards for dracoslayer , hope no hits 😢