Flight 507 Douala crash: How and why?
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- Опубликовано: 6 май 2023
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This quote has never left me..
"Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than sea, it is terribly unforgiving to any carelessness, incapacity or neglect."
Captain Alfred Gilmer Lamplugh
I lost my beloved uncle prakash in this crash. I can't forget that day. I have still not come to terms with the tragedy. Prayers for all the families that lost their loved ones in this horrible crash.
Mentour pilot’s analysis of the accident might help you with getting some closure. He’s a pilot himself and a lot of Kenyans were thanking him for providing information that the government of Kenya failed to give to the families.
Discipline is very paramount no matter who you're
@Abel Mutua story teller hatari did the story so well thanks NTV.
The unprofessionalism of that old man ruined the future of that young pilot and everyone on-board that flight. So sad how our systems take such matters lightly. Those lives couldn't have been lost if our systems were careful about who is handling a delicate equipment such as an aircraft.
Mentour Pilot did alot of justice to this story
100% true, I like how he does his analysis
kabisa
True..
True
Kabisa
Watu wa mkuru hoyeee... always ahead 💯👊
Hoyeeeeeeee mkuruu the Don
Hoyeeee... Ntv wamechelewa😂😂
Hoyeee😅
Walichelewa sana
@@samuelKamau-lf9us sana
I think its always good to have a day off especially when one is having one of those bad days than killing innocent people because of his ignorance 😢
I learned the accident from the tv show, Mayday, but Mentour Pilot helped fill a lot of gaps. From what I read in the comments section, he did a better job explaining what happened than the government of Kenya did. Apparently, the government wrote it off as being caused by bad weather.
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true that mentour pilot explained it very well
I love @mentour pilot .
He explains so well
I watched it on Mentour Pilot as well and his explanation is much much better especially with the insight he provides as a pilot.
Mentour Pilot is the best
Congratulations to the NTV Reporter and his team,you did a thorough investigation.Short and direct to point.
I was in class seven when this accident occured.I remember reading it on Daily nation newspaper which had been brought in by our school headteacher.😭😭😭
This crash really affected the financial future of KQ, till today
Very true, once the plane crashes no one is willing to use such an airline
@@gladysmwangi6707 Ethiopian
@@filbao8113 Ethiopian crashed due to a known issue with the new Boeing 737 MAX aircraft though
@@gladysmwangi6707 😂😂you clearly haven't tried booking KQ. It is always fully booked. Mis management is the issue. That is all.
KQ financial woes were caused by the over ambitious "mawingu" project, do some research and find out.
114 lives lost, just because of a hot-headed arrogant Captain.
NTV thank you for shedding some light on this KQ plane crush, it has kept my whole family glued to the TV. My 10 year old was shocked to learn that Kenya suffered a disaster of this magnitude....
Kwani you guys don't watch mkuru? Aw em gee😃😃😃
Mentour Pilot gives a better explanation.
This is heartbreaking 😢
This is quite a summery leaving out alot of detail
Francis Mbatia Wamwea their mothers home is our immediate neighbour. I remember his brother's wife coming to borrow a radio from us so that he could follow the news. RIP
I congratulate Ntv for such a postive report.
So sad to know all these people died because of negligence on captains side, sad sad sad 😢😭
I lost a friend in this accident.I later made my own conclusion the age gap between the captain and the first officer should be narrowed to avoid this argument of superiority on the cockpit and on this case it really went bad
That’s happened before in previous accidents where age gaps have made first officers reluctant to speak up until it was too late which is why CRM has to be taken seriously. What also contributed was Kenya Airways decision to pair an overbearing captain with an unassertive first officer. I was really shocked when I learned that the flight before the fatal flight, the captain greatly mistreated the first officer. Investigators said there were words like “stupid”, “shut up”, and other unprofessional phrases. I think the first officer could’ve saved the plane, but waited too late due to the captain’s mistreatment.
Crew Resource Management (CRM) was a major contributor to this crash. This is a concept I learnt on mentour pilot, especially on its coverage of this KQ Douala crash.
Listened to this too on mentour pilot
Also a mentour pilot fan 😁 kumbe Kuna community huku
Hihih, community kubwa sana😅
Kumbe tuko wengi
The auto pilot was not confirmed to be engaged...which was disastrous
Mentour Pilot gave a comprehensive analysis
I was in form two when this happened. I remember Alex chamwada covering the whole even
I watched a proper analysis of this crash from some you tube guy who deals with investigation in crashes almost 3 months ago.But Ntv is giving the news today and a plagiarism from the original version.
Glad they are showing on TV, KBC should also do the same so families can get closure. Abidjan should also follow which is available online but NTV should acknowledge those whose channels where they got information abt air accidents investigations.
@@njokiwamaiphd2468 mentour pilot
RUclips has been a place to learn more if u are seeking knowledge first hand
@@its_jaywes Exactly
You must be talking about Mentour Pilot. That guy is an actual pilot and flight instructor.
So sad to hear, this is manslaughter😢😢😢
The Captain was a bully and his arrogant killed everyone on that plane.
Peoples life should be taken care of,there should be no arguments when it comes to taking care of peoples life.
Old people in workplaces should keep their paternalistic vibes to themselves or leave them at home. I think we young people do have a role in calling them out before shit goes south.
It's not about old versus young. Indiscipline has no age. You are just picking on the age difference to peddle a narrative
@John Kariuki Mungai I agree on the discipline part of it, and, Kudos to all who respect boundaries at work! But, this is from multiple past personal and friends experiences.
@@jamesmacharia1150 jamesmacharia you are very right on age issue in the workplace especially in African culture where older folks are supposed to know it all and are all wise while younger youth are deemed not to know much.if the age gap between the officer and captain were less,the first officer would have stood up to the captain and pointed out his errors/rectified them ...but thats difficult in African culture where age also equals high ego!i read an aviation article on this cultural negatives which can lead to tragedy!may they all RIP
What we are not being told is why KQ had let a lunatic get away with so much so long until it came to this
Unfortunately, it’s how tombstone technology works. It’s only when a body count is built that anything is done.
Quit the blame game🤦....
@@G_dawgtv check the difference between blame and fact...postmortem
mkuruu told this story last year
Watch in mentour the full story
Sad its old post i saw it 5 yrs ago kwa story za annanias edger the pilot ignored the red flag 🚩 bcx the whether wax bad in Cameroon, condolences to their families 😭
Nothing to fear i'm gonna be the first officer..😊🥰🥰🥰
Best of luck brother, if you are serious. Be the best.
If you plan to be that, you need to be assertive and willing to speak up and keep an eye out for errors. One of the notes from the instructors of this First Officer was he needed to be more proactive in calling out deviations.
My
Condolences to family it's a big sadness. Rip
Better crew resource management is all that was needed to avert this accident.. the captain was also very indiscipline, went rogue and refused to follow the laid out take off in bad weather protocols.
He was seemingly too harsh and reprimanding to his FO which led to an imbalance in the cockpit which is very dangerous since in the cockpit, the captain and FO should be at the same level irrespective of seniority or experience.
The captain then proceeded to make a series of mistakes but the FO while being aware the captain was making mistakes, could not intervene or correct him for fear of being lashed out at, insulted and reprimanded again.. until it was too late!!
Too sad he died because of fear and someone else's ego, stupidity and mistakes...
RIP to all the passengers and crew of KQ 507 🙏🙏
This captain was an Ahole. And a shame to the industry in the long run. Sad he took so many souls with him in his stupidity
Wakurugenzi tulishaambiwa hii story na Mkuru Abel Mutua. We are sorted
Thanks to mkuruu
Mkuruu the Don
He also took the story from mentor pilot and aviation disaster channel done 3 years ago so he wasn't the originator but the more the merrier- always acknowledge sources otherwise it's plagiarism which is an offence
Kabisa
@@njokiwamaiphd2468 Abel Mutua's story was narrated May 2022. When was this narrated by Mentor Pilot so that we know whether he "took" the story according to you. When did this Mentour Pilot do the story, so that we supposedly acknowledge sources?
I remember the late Joseph Carasco Of Makerere University and Bata Family died in that plane crash.
Watch mkurugenzi, Abel Mutua, yeye ndie anajua kupeana the real picture
This is sad. The tragedy was entirely avoidable but for the arrogance of the captain. This stupid captain caused the deaths of not just the innocent first officer but also the entire lot of the passengers. This is the attitude prevalent in the Kenya matatu and the country in general. I have been flying for the last 34 and not once have I flown KA and don't plan to. It's scary and dangerous given their attitude and inherent corruption. Same goes
U're a captain & don't know the abbreviation of our national carrier? KA??😳 It's KQ.
Corruption is the worst thing you can ever have in life imagine having shortcuts to get approved as a pilot
Are you sane ?
Did I hear that the captain had taken shortcuts in his career? Some fields DON'T need shortcuts eg medical fields
I was terrified when I heard shortcut.
@@kenartz mmmh with this one they need to be strict ,one in Mombasa did a surgery to a patient throat that woman neck used to look like a sewed garment !!!!.
@@TheGeneralEntertainment I think u are
This scares me I just moved to Cameroon from Kenya!
No need to be scared. You're more likely affected by a car crash etc, than an airline crash. These happen very, very rarely. Cameroon is on my must-visit list
@@kenyann4906 True!! It is a very nice place very green with great people are music!
Uko wapi Cameroon, I am in Limbe can we connect
@@lawreenmkado8307Plus, this accident is the most recent fatal accident of Kenya Airways. Generally, they’re a very safe airline. They simply got too comfortable and let the safety standards slip.
On this one, I'm with Cameroon, they had all the right to be angry. Kiherehere yetu Wakenya and our culture of shortcuts. Kenya's image was severely dented on this one.
Poleni sana
Kuleni pause turudi 1960.😎
Nmekula😂😂😂😂
Mkuru 😂😂
pride comes before fall! alliua watu wengi juu ya pride.
hii ilihapen when plz
@@susanmachayo8845 2007
Short cuts in career in Kenyan is NOT something new, EVEN doctors most of them have taken that shortcut just to get a good salary and this is very unfortunate, and this is why the best doctors most of them good qualified do not work here in the country because of corruption they end up selling their great skills to other countries out there. TOO SAD
NTV na sio kwa ubaya hii version mumetoa wapi? let me mind my own.
mentour pilot has the best detailed and comprehensive analysis of this incident.
He put it awesomely well. Mentour is a great explainer
Is this a book or a documentary
@@mosesngatiah6365 RUclips channel
The guy makes RUclips videos about aviation accidents
@Mkurugenzi we are waiting
I do believe the safest mode of transport is by air only human error makes it so unsafe
A gap inside the plane structure is explained by the conversation between the first officer but negligence cannot be overheard because the first officer responded at arms with his captain the right thing is to discredit the voice of the first officer and actually the captain doesn't leave the runway without being issued the green light to taxi away but he is heard repremanding the first officer what sort of communication is that maybe the control tower was not getting the reception right probably the excuse is that the first officer was paying attention to what the captain was ignoring which led the tussle between them but he first communicated and then the captain shut him off???
So sad.. arrogance and lack of professionalism killed so many innocent pple.
If its true,the captain was rude to his colleague,but may their souls rest in peace,😢😢
The worst of all Kenya Airways plane crashes in our history. The plane crash into a swamp and until today nothing much has ever been recovered from the accident scene.
There really wasn’t much to recover because of how fragmented it was and the fire caused by the load of fuel would’ve incinerated the bodies of the dead. Fortunately, the FDR and CVR survived.
Woiye it' remainds me ongoro,he was engineer
The pilot was also full of errors when you review the full report
Kq is still messed up big time we want to fly the Kenya Flag high but they need to get their act together. Kwanza delays ni mingi esp if you get on a transit flight kwisha ! Stick to the direct flight which also could be delayed for some reason or another ya kuna excuse Sa yote! Lakini the Tusker is well chilled. Amkeni KQ! Let's keep it Pride of Africa!
😢so sorry
I never traveled with kenya Airlines again, I did travel with it last year from New York to Nairobi, and what happened to us in the middle of Atlantic Ocean is unforgettable experience, I thank God we manage to reach safely and all thanks goes to God and pilot 🙏
What happened???
Kenya Airways pilots are some of the best I've ever had. Coming from someone who went to school in both the US & Europe, worked in both continents, traveling to Asia and of course Africa often. Whoever taught them how to land smoothly did a great job
What happened? You can't cast aspersions without a substantial amount of evidence
@@mwat22 yes it's wrong to give a blanket statement without substantiation
What happened?
Hizi ndizo News nachukia, knowing that lazima utumie this means
Kutoka Dandora hadi tao ndio unatumia hizi means!wacha kutu enjoy wewe😅
@@edddelarocka9753 na sijakataa
This when happened?????
5th May 2007
Sorry for that.
So the pilot took off without any clearance from control🤦♀. Too many manmade errors in this flight.
Abel Mutua did it so well too.
Very avoidable. If only the captain was nicer to the young first officer,it would have landed safely
This came down to Spatial disorientation. The Capt should have trusted his instruments.
RIP guka 🕊
One of them was a murderer 😢😢😢.
Natravel this year sipendi kuona hizi 😢😢😢😢😢
Give credits to @mentourpilot who gave a detailed highlight of this sad incident.
The simple truth is that KQ through corruption and incompetent management allowed this killer to become a pilot despite clearly being unqualified and below average in ability.
He failed instruments check tests numerously due to a lack of cockpit discipline and arrogance. Pity he killed so many people in his fault
Nyiiii mmechelewa ama mpeee Abel Mutua kazi
Lakini wakenya ni maumbwa sana, si mlikua mmenyamazia hii story, sasa after kuona mzungu ametoa investigation yake hadi ikapata 1point.... million views ndio mkakimbia kucopy paste....what a SHAME!
Mkurugenzi alishatuambia😌😌😌
😂😂kazi za mkuruuh ni safi👌
Mentour pilot RUclips video is well analysed with evidence.
"Pilot error"? Huh!!
This is recklessness at it's best.
A proud senior thinking he knows it all.
It's the dilemma we are facing in nearly every environment of work. Seniors who are not humble and think they can't error. Even when they error, they can never be corrected.
It's easier to r*pe a lion than getting an apology from a proud senior!!!
I can't believe you're only doing this piece now after all the presence it has on youtube.
I'm shocked too
Bana
Exactly
Sure
Honestly,This has been lifted from Air Investigation,Poor Journalism
Are u serious? Omg 😲
Let past be past so we can receive present
I disagree... let's learn from the past
@@dandee7414 we will never grow from past , God only only use past if he want us to and it should be in spirit.
@@mwikalijosephine5178 I partly agree, but this also gives closure to the friends and families of the victims. Mentour Pilot did a better job in my opinion.
Too late ntv this investigation was aired by a show a longtime ago
This is lack of professional integrity & ethics. How rhe captain found himself on the wheels is through another fellow who didn't value integrity. If was the 1st ofdicee, I would have called off the flight immeadiatelybwe landed in Duala. Its bettee to lose a job than hundreds of lives. If we cant relate when executing such a critical task, there is no in betweens, we respectively engage or part ways.
How could have KQ maintained such an arrogant pilot?. After watching the real cause of this flight in Mentour pilot RUclips channel I don't think I can trust KQ to safely take me to my destination because they knew very well about the incompetence of this pilot yet they maintained him for all those years
You are quite on point. He was used to getting away with this until he killed our people
Unfortunately, in aviation, it often takes building a body count for something to be done.
That's like 10 years ago though..
One cannot rule out that the main pilot was drunk beyond repair or high on some drug. Because his actions make no sense. Don't bother to double check weather; even though the weather report u have been given does not match the storm. Take off without clearance. Throwing tantrums to first officer. Forgetting to put on autopilot. Then put on autopilot. Then over-ride autopilot.
Sasa mukinionyesha hivi nitarudi aje kenya mimi 😢😢😢
Hahahaaa wanifurahisha aki Dada Helen mimi Ile day Ethiopian airline ilipoanguka ikawa wakenya wengi mimi nlikua nasafiri kama next 4 days si kulala sikula mamangu nlikua nishamwambiaa waah alianza kufunga izo siku zote nilipofika home aliliaa sana
😂😂😂 ilianguka lini hii jamani tutaishi ghambo jamani
@@rosewoiemitau8376 2007
😂😂😂 hii ni ya kitambo maybe you were even still in kenya. But anyways ukienda kenya , enda tu kutembea siku kadhaa ahlafu urudi Kyle umetoka. Kenya ni noma.
@@bebbybebby655 ooh okay asante @Bebby
Nangoja Abel mutua atuelezee ili nielewe vizuri
Streamed from mkurugenzi
go to mentour pilot for a good explanation not just news headlines
Muwache kunionesha hizi vitu naninarudi home keshow 😢😢
Safe flight .
Safe travel dada it is well.
Safari njema 🙏
@@lilianmilan4793 thanks
@@stanleymwendwa700 thanks
Team Mkurugenzi gather here...
Pilots are much used to autopilot i guess .its great,it saves much but this makes them so much in comfort zone.When nature happens,they get confused.its becomes almost impossible for them to correct a situation manually.I have been watching this investigations and most of them,once the autopilot is messed up,they rarely make it alive.
Mkuruu sikia aya maneno
Just go to mentour pilot and watch a complete sequence
For those who would like an in-depth analysis of this crash…… mentour pilot RUclips channel ❤
I hate people who are rude to anybody, very mean 😢
This pilot killed these people 😔
Nkt!
Give credit to 'mentour pilot'
Hire and Pay competent pilots, don't save money at the expense of lives.
Competence n ego cannot be in the same sentence
The guy wa jicho pevu could have narrated the story better