5 Reasons Why I'm NOT Buying SRAM Red AXS
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
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Today on real reviews I’m going to give you 5 reasons why I AM putting SRAM Red AXS on my next bike, and 5 reasons why I’m NOT - And I’m gonna try to do it in TWO MINUTES OR LESS. OK. Here we go!
Before we get started a quick disclaimer: This is the VERY FIRST upload to my new channel, so I thought I’d do something a little different. If you’ve watched any of my old reviews, you probably came away saying something like “I wonder what they’re paying him to say that” or “nice sales pitch, Andy.” And, you know, you wouldn’t be too far off base - all of my reviews were PAID reviews. So to some degree, my opinions had to kinda stay between the guardrails. Not anymore.
My goal with this channel is to give you my REAL review - the good and bad - so that you can make a more informed buying decision.
Having said that, let’s put 2 minutes on the clock and get started with 5 reasons I’d build my next bike with SRAM Red AXS.
1 The shifting is smooth and crisp, and the gearing ratio on the 46/33 with a 10/33 is as close to perfect as I’ve ridden. The gaps between gears are ideal, and you can also use the smartphone app to set up flawless auto shifting between the chainrings. In the age of internal routing, wireless derailleurs are everything
2. I’m loyal to SRAM.
3. After ten years and probably a hundred thousand miles on everything from Rival to force to red to etap, it’s never failed me. And I’m rough on gear
4. SRAM is an American company that cares - They employ several thousand people here in the states, and through their charity World Bicycle Relief they’ve delivered millions of specially designed, locally assembled, rugged bicycles for people in need all over the world
5. I’m cheap and they make a Force version that’s damn near just as good as Red
Now...as promised: here’s 5 reasons why I WOULDN’T build my next bike with SRAM Red AXS - plus one BONUS reason at the end.
1. Before I was a SRAM Guy, I was SHIMANO guy.Two years ago I want back and Shimano Dura Ace mechanical disc is tough to beat.
2. The shifting is quicker, quiter, and smoother
3. The brakes are benchmarks for power, modulation, overall feel and noise
4. It’s 12 speed and I’ve got too much 11 speed lying around
5. The price.
6. The silver chainrings
7. They make a Force version that’s damn near just as good.
(time check - did we make it??)
Listen, AXS is in every way a top-flight, pro-caliber group from probably my favorite bike company on the planet...and I’m thrilled that SRAM instantly trickled the tech down into their other gruppos. You REALLY can’t go wrong with anything in the eTap line - even the first generation 11speed version is insanely good and I can’t wait to see what they come up with next but at the moment I’m just not ready to make the jump to 12 speed, or away from Shimano.
Thanks for watching! Before you go, please hit the subscribe button and hit me with your questions about SRAM AXS in the comments below. See ya next time.
Been wrestling with the front derailleur issue on a brand new bike, and just had a session with my bike shop mechanic who's been dealing with it for 2 years. Bottom line is that SRAM AXS front derailleurs are all highly problematic and excruciatingly finicky.
The most common problem, echoed by thousands of users, is chain drops on the outside when shifting up to the big ring.
The shop sees this on every single build and bike brought in, no matter Rival, Force or Red. Some frames, because of the bottom bracket width and the brazeon position (Factor for example), are completely SRAM AXS front derailleur incompatible.
On most bikes though, after doing all the alignment with the red plastic widget from SRAM, using the correct wedge, making the limits as tight as possible to the point of rubbing... The problem persists.
Here's the exact replicable scenario:
* shifting up to the big ring while on any cogs bigger than the 14 in the rear causes the front derailleur to overshoot outward. For some reason, it doesn't do this additional outward motion when shifting to big ring when rear is in 14 or smaller - it's a single motion that stops at the set limit, albeit the shifts are always rough and noisy given the lift pin positions on the ring.
* So what happens is that it actually shifts very quickly BEYOND the outer limit setting. Theoretically this is a mechanical limit, but it's somehow not a "hard" limit - there's still a good 3-4mm the cage can move farther outward, and it does so during one of these shifts. To accommodate this leeway you'd have to set the outer limit beyond so tight that the cranks don't turn.
* You can verify this outward slop capability by manually moving the derailleur outward after setting a very tight, only slightly chain-rubbing outer limit - move it by hand and see the extent to which it will overshoot.
* After a "shift" in the problematic scenario (14 cog or bigger in rear), the FD then micro-adjusts inward a second or two later (but too late as the chain has already been thrown off the outside and dropped onto the crank/pedal.)
We've done slo-mo video of the issue - it's crazy.
It seems like this would be a firmware update that SRAM could do for a fix, but so far they only reiterate all the setup adjustments that all of us have done hundreds of times trying to fix the problem.
Mines been faultless, set it up with 1-2mm above the chainring. Set my limits with less than 1mm, and lined up the white lines on the front mech with the chainring. Never had a dropped chain and faultless shifting that's close to Shimano di2. Better braking from SRAM, and the nicer hoods. It's been a faultless system.
I purchased my first road bike, a Ridley Damocles, 10 years ago partly because of your review of it back then. Fast forward to today and I decided to build my new Addict RC frame with SRAM AXS once again with help from your review. Thanks for all the years of knowledge and reviews!!
Man, we sold a lot of those Damos. KILLER bike, still one of my faves.
I hesitated a long time before making the switch to the SRAM Red etap AXS as I have been a huge Shimano fan all my life. A friend of mine convinced me to try it on my 2020 BMC Teammachine. It is an amazing groupset and while it is true that it is not perfect, it has exceeded my expectations. I personally am sold.
Nice!
Insanely happy with 2012 10 speed SRAM Red 11-26 since day 1.
blazacrew right? Bulletproof! Had mine for too long to remember
I’m running that on my bike too.
I watched your reviews on everything cycling related that I wanted to buy, great job, keep it going!
Thanks!!
I have always rode Shimano and nothing anyone else has made so far would make me change .
Especially based on price and the variety of components available .
And they are only getting better with the new sealed bearing hubs pairing well with the Hollowtech 2 cranks and bottom brackets .
Shimano has been at the front of the pack for forty years especially with the invention of the MTB and the innovations keep coming .
It’s good stuff, for sure.
I have been riding eTap for the last two years. GXP crankset and HRD
(hydraulic road disc). I would describe all of it as garbage compared to Dura Ace. Although, I do very much like the wireless shifters and button layout.
I always thought your previous reviews were paid but I liked them so good luck with your new channel. Also I have SRAM Force on my Canyon Ultimate and its sweet. Sadly too nervous to go out on the bike due to scary lock down situation in the UK. Thank goodness for Zwift!
Andrew Barrie thanks, man! Staying close to home here, too.
Get out ride your whiip . Stop making out with random hookers... zip zip
Very clear and good explanation thanks even though I only have my bike when I was like 7
I have SRAM Red eTap on my primary bike. I’m a long time Shimano DuraAce rider; It’s still on my back up bike.
Once the eTap goes (should be soon), I’ll definitely go back to Shimano. I love the eTap wireless (no cables and no wires) shifting but that’s about it. I really wish Shimano would offer a wireless shifter.
The shifting on the eTap has never thrilled me … overshifts on the front derailleur have been a problem even with fine tune adjustments. The crankset axle has some rust … I’ve never never never had rust on any Shimano parts. Also, Even though I’ve only had eTap for a couple years now, I can’t seem to get replacement parts … The adjuster screw for the front derailer cannot be adjusted because the hex hole stripped out… should have been a Phillips screw like Shimano has.
Anyway, spending a little more money for Shimano in the long run will pay off I believe… Both in performance and durability.
Don't hold your breath - that eTap ain't gonna 'go' - it'll last as long as shimano!
Great and honest review, much appreciated. I have SRAM Force AXS 1x on my gravel bike and love it. Decided to upgrade my tri bike from mechanical Shimano 10spd Ultegra to Shimano 10spd Di2. What a cluster! All the wiring had me wondering why anyone would pick Shimano Di2 or GRX groupset over the wireless SRAM offerings. I’m now planning to upgrade my road bike to SRAM Force AXS 2x and you just confirmed that choice. Thank you.
Btw, if you’re looking for ideas, what about frame materials such as titanium and the various US based manufacturers.
Good call! I’m testing a Ti bike as we speak (with Force AXS). And I agree: Shimano shifting is a little better but the wires cancel out any gains. AXS is soooo clean and easy!
@@AndyClarkRealReviews I ride a Lynskey gravel bike so I’m a bit biased, but thinking it might also be a platform for my next road bike. As a heavier rider I appreciate the perceived strength and durability but looking for an expert to say if there is a “plushness” that people often ascribe to Ti. I don’t race, but do longer road rides, so thinking the comfortable ride qualities might outweigh any weight penalty. And let’s be real, my bike gets lighter if I drop 10# 😂. Anyway, can’t wait for the review.
On Sram Force axs you have to be very accurate on the set up of the FD otherwise expect chain drops
Just took delivery on a new Canyon with Force axs and yes, that front derailleur seems very finnicky. Of course I can't expect to get it properly dialed in until I have the alignment tool that should have been shipped with the bike but wasn't. Hopefully I can get it to behave.
Sweet review, Andy! Gotta think about what to load onto the next rig and this helps.
Tom Fowler what’s the next rig??
Cleaned out my bike room and got rid of all of my high dollar carbon bikes. (3). Realizing these manufacturers change something just trying to get into your head about getting the next best thing. These aren’t Formula One cars but human powered fitness wonders and if chosen for intrinsic values can be seen as pieces of art. Came full circle and realized steel and titanium builders have been making superbly crafted timeless beauties which spoke to the intrinsic side as to what I want from my bicycle. It has to make me want to turn around just before turning the light off. I love SRAM Red AXS on my new Moots Routt RSL all road bike, added a set of Enve 3.4 AR, shod with Gravel King slicks in 32mm. I haven’t lost a single step in the A/B group yet. The Red AXS for almost 2 years now and it’s been so easy to use, convenient to charge batteries, crispy crips shifting, looks great, feels even greater and bulletproof. Nice things just cost. But most I’m a happy one heirloom quality bike owner. Life’s short, just buy it. Liberate yourselves. Just my .2.
Road Glide I miss my Ti Merlin every day. Very seriously considering a Moots, so I’m stoked to hear that!!
Seems like the red etap has been out long enough for some serious long term review and yet info is super scarce. The only thing I’ve found is in a forum where 1 person claimed that the chain ring lasted 1500km, which means a huge expense. Not sure how many km/mi is worth the price but the replacement costs, not mentioned in most reviews, is possibly the biggest hurdle.
real s states I’ve got 3 years of mixed road and gravel on my first gen eTap. It’s as good as new. KILLER gruppo, and probably some killer deals out there.
G'day Andy
Fully agree with your view on treating yourself although like I've said in a previous post to you have a preference for N+1.
I know a lot of people who having been frugal their entire live's are getting on in age and have retired. They've accumulated what I would consider significant wealth but still can't treat themselves. Having squirreled away throughout their working lives, they can't "flick the switch". One day their kids will inherit and probably blow the lot on the roulette table.
All the best
Got a force and I cannot complain about the groupset I never ride a red one bit love my one. Thaks for info ride safe:)
Vlad Vultur Yep, it’s amazing. People forget Force was originally their top tier group, designed to compete with Dura Ace and Record
Bought 12 speed AXS Force and its a massive disappointment for only one reason - the chain noise on the rear cassette is awful, and drives you nuts on a long ride. And no matter what micro adjustment you apply, you can’t get rid of the noise. Simply couldn’t recommend Force.
Ben Purcell no way! What’s your local shop/SRAM dealer say? Is it a chain line issue, maybe?
Andy Clark, chain line is what the bike shop thought it was but that doesn’t sound logical given the chain noise is worst when on the large chain ring and small sprockets on rear cassette (i.e. lowest chain angle). Still waiting for a response from Sram.
@@benpurcell9726 Normally from what I heard the Red etap cassette is more noise because is one piece forged, but Force should be less noise ?
Andrea Colaianni - if Red is noisier than Force then I would be surprised. Force is way too loud, takes the enjoyment out of riding. Real shame since the 11 speed Etap was a gem.
I have Force axs, and I replaced the cassette with a Red - it is LESS noisy now. Or perhaps the noise is just a nicer kind of noise. With the Force cassette, the shifting sounded a little crunchy, now with Red it sounds more assertive. The chain noise is perhaps 'deeper' in pitch. The reasons i changed were actually different: 1: I cant stand the way the black coating on Force wears off, and it looks like dirt caked on to the sprockets. 2: The construction with all the little pins connecting the individual sprockets collect gunk. - And looks like a mess when you look straight down on it. The Red looks much cleaner.
It is really sad. Before you could interchange SRAM/Shimano in almost anyway. I would have never gotten into Sram if not for the possibility to change my shifting on my Ultegra Bike. Cassette, Chainrings, Brakes - stayed the same. But now it is 100% or 0%. Sad. I also dont see the benefit of 12x if I calculate the Gears. 11x is enough.
Depends on need. Different strokes for different folks and all that jazz.
The range offered here is going to keep me from having to have 2 cassettes or even bikes (regular and semi compact).
I live on the front range of Colorado. Pure flats for miles & 12%+ grades. Rolling hills, fast decents, and climbed that are miles long. You can choose between them or hit them all in a single ride.
There are times I wish I had a 53/11 and times that a 36/32 would have made a long day a little easier.
The 12spd rear cassette w/a 10 tooth will give me that.
The weird gearing and the ugly cranks are what prevents me from buying a Sram Etap equipped bike. Don't understand the 13-teeth difference between front chainrings resulting in a smaller high gear and bigger small gear than Campagnolo and Shimano that both can handle 16 teeth. Sad, because the wireless shifting and shift logic - left shifter down, right shifter up - are the kind of electronic shifting that really makes sense.
I follow your thoughts. Great vid.
Thanks!! Testing the Force AXS as we speak
Good stuff, Andy!
Bryan Hite thanks buddy!!
For many, ridiculous price tag is the reason. Should i have one, I am sure I will enjoy my rides with it
Thank you for stating Dura Ace mechanical being faster and quieter. I had the same experience. I raced on a Specialized S-Works with Red E-Tap for the 2019 season. It was pretty cool and it worked very well. I have read all of the reviews about Dura Ace Di2 being faster and quieter than E Tap. From my experience, it is true, but Shimano has always been quieter than SRAM. However, I too noticed that Dura Ace mechanical was faster and quieter as well. People look at me like I'm crazy when I have said this, but you have had the same experience. the shifting was accurate, but it seemed like wireless has a delayed reaction. It's subtle enough that it won't be obvious to a many riders, but it's noticeable enough when you're sprinting in a crit race. I too will continue racing with Shimano.
Absolutely right! I wish SRAM would add a 'shift speed' or 'shift velocity' adjustment to the AXS app.
@@AndyClarkRealReviews I read SRAM had fixed the shifting delay issue? I guess my main concern is what happens when I need to replace a chainring or power meter on Red AXS? Gotta replace the entire crankset is my understanding?
@@ralphimself Interesting. I don't use a power meter but found this:
support.sram.com/hc/en-us/articles/360017316293-How-do-I-trade-in-my-SRAM-RED-AXS-2x-power-meter-road-chainrings-when-they-wear-out-
If you read the copy, it says the chainrings are designed to last 50% longer than 11s rings. I've got 11s rings that are literally ten years old and still going strong, so my guess is you'll probably sell/upgrade long before they wear out :-)
Great review!
Thanks!!
Biggest reason not to buy AXS for me - proprietary chain & crankset. I hate the crankset, you can't change chainrings. $$$ to maintain this system.
Off-topic question: what is the shirt on 0:15? I've watched your reviews for years, really appreciate the initial disclaimer. I subscribe to few channels, just made it to my list! Thanks, Andy!
Thanks! That’s a limited edition Competitive Cyclist jersey from 2018
As i am going to build a new bike i have been looking at sram comparision to shimano videos all evening and reading lots of comments too , not once have i came across anyone saying shimano were crap but lots of comments about sram rear derailleur bricking up and other people saying its cheap crap , makes my desion to go with shimano easier
You really can't go wrong with either one. I've used Rival, Red, Force, Etap, AXS (force and red) alongside Ultegra, Dura Ace, and 105 since it was all 10-speed. With proper care and feeding, they're all solid...the no-nonsense choice has always been Ultegra - dollar for dollar it's untouchable.
@@AndyClarkRealReviews yea am thinking of ultegra best price point and trickle down teck
Still not convinced to replace my trusty mechanical Ultegra R8000
Alfonso Lizarazo Totally agree - Ultegra is definitely bomb proof, but if you’re thinking about an electric upgrade the AXS line gives it a run
Hi Andy great video thank you. I’m on my second AXS setup, first was Force on an Aethos, next is Red also on an Aethos. I’ve experienced front chain ring drops on both. I was so fed up with the Force the shop upgraded me to a 9170 di2 and it’s been flawless. I still have the Red and it’s still problematic. Is it true the industry joke is SRAM can’t do a great shifting front derailleur which is why they’re moving to 1x? Obviously that’s one way to solve the problem! What are your thoughts? Thanks again.
Thanks, Greg. I’m not sure why that’s an industry joke - my SRAM FD’s have always shifted great. Did you have the stabilizer wedge installed? It can make all the difference on some frames.
Good choice,but sadly u have bought the previous one axs,and i just found the red one heavier then durace 9100 one
Sorry, I don't understand your question.
@@AndyClarkRealReviewsu video is great but i think u forget them both tier weight is,i found the durace is much lighter for this one the new axs also
@@wazirtan6801 to be honest, I don’t really care much about weight.
@@AndyClarkRealReviews ohok
Interesting....no mention about batteries! But, good plus and minus approach to this highly debatable subject!
Oh! I didn’t mention them?? Well, they’re awesome and last forever. I ride this bike 2-3 hours per week and charge the batteries once a month!
@@AndyClarkRealReviews Hehe, maybe I should’ve been more specific! Batteries in the shifters weren’t mentioned. The derailleur batteries are know to be very long lasting, but few mention the shifter.
@@marklohnes6313 ohhhh, right. According to SRAM the shifter batteries will last two years under normal use (estimated at 15 riding hours per week).
Andy, what do you think about Force stap axs 1x? I am not sure if that will work for me... the specialized tarmac SL7 pro comes with a 46T chain ring and also a power meter. I am in FL and not sure if that would be the best option for me. But the power meter is something that I am definitely thinking about.
First of all: NICE BIKE! I’m totally jealous!! Second, a question: what gruppo is on there now?
Can you mix match sram force and sram red AXS? I have a sram force crankset and if I decided to buy the sram red AXS with the rest of my groupset will that work?
Elvira Catherine Talaoc if your Force crank is 11spd, then it is not compatible. But yes, you can mix and match Red and Force AXS 12 speed components
There needs to be more channels like these! All the mainstream channels are echo chambers saying the same things.
John Tran isn’t it ALL a big echo chamber these days? 😜
Andy Clark 😝
I have 2 Red Etap, and 1 AXS Rival. Just of them works properly. I would not recomend any Sram product. They are not reliable! If you buy it you have a great chance to have problems.
My first reason cuz I have no money 😢
using Sram Red first generation 11 speed grupo.....but the rearl derailler is not working right. is there a sram deraiuller in axs line 11 speed that I can subsitute?
AXS is 12-speed only and isn’t cable actuated, so it’s completely incompatible
I have an F12 with the SRAM Red AXS wireless eTap drivetrain, Selle ITALIA saddle, Zipp 454’s and other top end parts. After a year of endless adjustments, swap outs of he BB and crankset from DUB to GXP and many calls to engineers at SRAM, the drivetrain continues to constantly drop the chain on the front chainrings. Several other guys that have similar setups that have been built at my pro shop have the same problems. If you have an F12, spare yourself the endless headaches from a drivetrain at a top price point that doesn’t work and go with Di2. Maybe someday SRAM will learn to engineer a product that actually works.
Hmmmm…interesting. Is your shop having problems with other frames, or just the F12? It worked great for me.
I had a similar problem with a Force 22 drivetrain that kept dropping the chain. Drove me nuts and made me not get SRAM on my next two bikes. Now, it's just Shimano and Campy.
@@AndyClarkRealReviewsI have only heard comments and got feedback on the F12 frame
Whats the chance that a traditional 12 speed cassette 11x28 works with the force chain ?
Andrea Colaianni unsure. How do you define “traditional”?
@@AndyClarkRealReviews well I find on aliexpress a brand deliver à 12 cassette 11x28 that I would like to use on my HT because have the shimano freewheel
Andrea Colaianni YIKES! I wouldn’t. Stick with SRAM.
Campagnolo Super Record EPS. Nothing beats it.
That's a good point - EPS is AMAZING. No doubt about it.
I went back to Shimano this year after switching to SRAM when the group first came out. Much better performance overall on Shimano.
I'm building a custom Ti from BAUM, shall I go with Ultegra R8000 with external routing or SRAM Force AXS etap? Thinking of something that will last long. Never had sram but only Shimano with 105 then dura ace then dura ace di2.
fkrtna eTap is definitely cleaner. I’m not sure I’d want all those wires dripping off a Baum. Does the frame have internal routing (maybe pre-wired) options for Di2?
Andy Clark just what I thought, cleaner look. Still not been in production. It can be done external or internal. Wished if brakes are wireless as well so no cables at all 😆
fkrtna wireless brakes? YIKES MAN! Joking aside, it’s a tough call, might come down to aesthetics. What’s the paint scheme on the frame gonna be?
Can a red 22 caliper be used with an AXS brake lever?
Ask SRAM please. IDK.
Pleace help my . I need the wheelset to buying . but i dont know any wheelset will work on the xdr driver body
Ahmed Raheem which wheelset?
Andy Clark yes which wheelset
i apologise my language is not very
good
Ahmed Raheem ok, I still don’t understand. Probably better to ask your local dealer but both brands have XD driver options.
Andy Clark thank you. I am grateful to you 🌷🌷🌷💝
SRAM is US company? That's it, I'm buying Shimano. 👍
Yes, they're based in the US and employ tons of people here mostly R&D, marketing, sales, and customer service. The WBR folks are here, too. I'm well aware that SRAM, like everyone else, manufactures in China. I was simply calling out the fact that the bulk of their crew is stateside.
Sram is Chinese manufacturing without a doubt. The stuff just falls apart, retaining rings fall off from breaking, set screws seize up. It's junky stuff. Shimano is miles ahead of Sram when it comes to quality and performance. I don't mind routing the Di wires through a frame because it's something you are only going to do one time. Once! That's it.
My experience has been totally different: two red 10 groups that shifted flawlessly for years, a Force 22 kit that was equally reliable, and presently running Rival 1x on two bikes with no issues. And my Force AXS group is in the same league. It’s good stuff!
nothing wrong with made in china - everything we use is made in US. iphone, samsung phone, tv, keyboard, monitors.... bike parts...carbon manufacturing (taiwan).. list goes on.
@@kormaster indeed. Exactly why I’ve never understood the double standard.
@@AndyClarkRealReviews I wish I could say the same because the Sram Red eTap Wifi group cost me $2200. I would have thought for that kind of money it would be better. I did not like spending $3100 for the Dura-Ace I'm using now but the shifting is so much better I'm not going to complain.
Switched to SRAM Force etap AXS thru a bike purchase (2020 SuperSix Evo) Love the bike btw, but was slow to like the SRAM having ridden Shimano for 30 years. That has changed. I loooove that stuff now. Blips are pure genius. The only reason I'd consider the Red version is to get another set up blips on my bars. Thx for your great work. Jack
PS - Our SSEvo video can be seen here. ruclips.net/video/p5NFmMQR5-U/видео.html
To my taste its too shinny. For looks I’ll keep my old Dura Ace.
Wait’ll you see Force. SO DARK!
SRAM employs 1000s globally and about 500 in the US. In other words most of their employees are not American. Where are SRAM AXS products manufactured?
Europe, Chicago, California, China.
But some of those 500 are in my town. Colorado springs. Sram acquired RockShox here. I'm a roadie, the stuff here is all mountain I think.
I've thought about quitting my career to try and work for them (employee discount?) To get into the biking industry. They have parking lot events from time to time. Seem to be a good company at the local level.
We also have SRM here.
You had me singing in your Choir about Flaws on internal routing, and then you said SRAM is an American Company - Well maybe, technically, but outsources most everything to China, but if you own an Iphone . . .
K Broadbent yep, that’s true but they have a huge and growing presence in Chicago, where they were founded - and Zipp has a big beautiful facility in Indy. By saying that I meant that it’s nice to see a company founded here with so many US employees these days.
Agreed.
Sram ALL THE WAY 🙌💪
Hey man.
I was thinking on purchasing a bike from Canyon. It comes with Sram Force etap AXS. Do you think is smart if I replace Force AXS with SRAM red etap (non axs)?? Just so I can increase the value of my bike?? Or it not worth it???
Thank you for your time!!
Not worth it! Force is amazing - I’m riding it now, and honestly can’t tell the difference. Spend the money on a wheel upgrade.
@@AndyClarkRealReviews Ok Andy! PERFECT!
Btw, Does your Force AXS come with Power-meter?? Mine wont come with one... will it make a difference?? Do you think is necessary?
Thank you again!!
@@juanparra6210 yes, you can add a power meter. If you’re serious about training and know how to use the data, it’s a great addition.
Sram etap still hasnt won TDF 🤦🏻♂️
Neither has Giant or Cannondale but that isn't stopping them from making great stuff and selling millions of bikes!
Andy would you pick the SRAM Force Etap over Shimano Di2 and why?
Force, because the gearing is tighter and because I’m very much in love with wireless shifting and easy-to-charge batteries that last forever
@@AndyClarkRealReviews I just got not so good news today that if I wanted my Trek SL-7 with Etap I will have to wait until the end of July for it. So I opted for the Di2 group set that I originally ordered and will get it beginning of May. Was hoping for the Etap but I can’t wait that long for a bike. I sold my existing bike so I wouldn’t have a ride until mid summer.
@@martialgerolami2192 holy cow! Yeah, that’s too long!!
I can't afford etap or di2 so I m going with Archer Components ordered beginning of December still have not received due 2 USPS. Also wanted the bike frame from 🐺 tooth made from steel $700 but they discontinued it 2 do more expensive $1500+ bikes such as stainless steel, titanium, & carbon. So I was going to try another brand they said April or May bike was $2200. I could not put that kind of 💰 out due 2 the state of the world we live in now ie pandemic & 💩 government plus tariffs with China now. Opted 4 GT grade elite couldn't get GT expert in color purple. Lots of upgrades plus making it a flat bar.
@@lakishaweaks9784 hey you have to do what you have to do. Sounds like you have a good alternative plan.
just say groupset.
I'm oldschool, baby! GRUPPO FOR LYFE! 🤣
Sram force asx etap is shit, pure and simple, the shifting is shit and the noise the chain and cassette make is unbearable and should never have gone to market
I'm a campy guy.
Love EPS...currently lusting over the new 13sp gravel kit!
@@AndyClarkRealReviews dude. I love your videos. Thank you for all the product reviews.
@@17Peloton thanks, man. Tell your friends!
Must be nice living in 1980. Just kidding. Campy is great!
Sram made in taiwan not usa
Campy fatto en italia
Liam Shaughnessy Hi Liam, thanks for watching. I didn’t claim they manufacture stateside, I was just calling out the fact that they’re a US- based company.
@@AndyClarkRealReviews yes that's srams disclaimer but had many 3rd party flaws incl disc brake failure
I had that happen on a canyon
I typically never buy a bike with anything but campy
But as a former pro and now bike builder im finding fsa we force to be superior to sram.
Thanks Liam. Finally I get an answer. SRAM AXS XX1 will set you back about $3000 Aud and as you'll know no brakes are included. This is big money. Meanwhile Campy are still made in Italy, although most frames carrying an Italian name are also made in Taiwan.
Shimano continue to manufacture XTR and Dura Ace in Japan. Their other groupsets I think are from Malaysia.
I think it's important consumers not fall for the marketing hype before shelling out a lot of money.
@@saturupiah5940 not colnago
Not sarto
Not passoni
Not pegoretti
I could go on
@@willshaughnessy8515 G'day Liam appreciate the reply.
I think Colnago only make the C64 in Italy.
I'm not sure about the other Italian brands you mentioned.
I have a 1996 De Rosa with Campy Record which is fully Italian made with the exception of the German made wheels and the Japanese pedals. Again I'm not sure about modern De Rosas? Some are actually ugly.
Pinarellos are also made in Taiwan. I think even the Dogmas.
I heard someone the other day refer this practice as the "Apple" model. I think it's an apt description. They manufacture in low cost, usually Asian countries (not Japan), emphasise their European or American brand heritage for marketing reasons and charge top dollar.
All the best
Yeah axs crank it just ugly as fck and heavy
Horrible fd 😢
Dated
Interesting take. Why do you think that?
Andy,
His reasons for "not" included a statement about how Red was slow in shifting. This was true for the 1st generation but current generation has new chip and is faster, smoother. As such he's not offering observations on what is presently available but on past, now obsolete, product.
@@chuckparker781 I’m not sure if you caught this but I’m the guy in the video. You say “his reasons” so seems like there’s a disconnect. Or maybe I’m misunderstanding! Anyway...I’ve ridden both generations of eTap thousands of miles and new chip or not, I stand by my statement: AXS, in general, DOES shift faster than first gen eTap, but it’s still not as quick as Di2.
Andy,
Did not know till after I posted you were the reviewer. Also I do not have your experience, far, far from it. That said knowing you were discussing the 2ns gen would have given your review more credence.
@@chuckparker781 AXS is the nomenclature for the second gen.