Great comparison. Interesting since there's a lot of improvement after lubing. By chance, were you able to compare it with Nuphy's Wisteria tactile switches? Since both are low-profile tactiles? I am currently loving my Cowberry linears on Nuphy Air96v2. They also sound great on my Keychron K17 pro. But I am curious of trying tactiles next time.
I don't own a full set of wisterias for comparison, and there are a lot of videos on youtube already doing single-key comparos which I don't find too helpful. My subjective opinion is that wisterias sound louder than the chocs but more muted than the cowberries. If you observe the stem pole of the wisteria and cowberry, you'll see that the cowberry is a true long-pole stem with a solid tip that gives a clean, clear bottom out sound. The wisteria and choc (and regular brown) have the same type of hollow tip that gives a muted bottom out. When you add hollow tip + softer POM housing of the choc that gives the most muted sound. Summarily, in terms of volume its Choc < Wisteria < Cowberry.
@@keebmodsi've finally tested the Gateron Chocolates and they indeed have that silent deep creamy sound useful when I'm working in the office. The sound is not too loud and after lubing, it even sounded better with consistency. This is now replacing my Cowberries on Keychron K17 Pro for office typing job.
@hasangunes21005 I even tried Lofree Flow Phantom switch version(which is using Kailh Low Profile) and it makes the same noise, I guess it's inevitable for low profile switches
@@jinho4822 The problem is the contact legs are very loose. Because of that the legs bends slightly when you put it in place. When you fix leaf before putting in place it doesnt make noise. But when you put it in place then noise come back. Maybe we need to replace pcb sockets :(
@hasangunes21005 Even standard profile tactile switches like Brown or Holy panda or U4T make similar noises, but I guess low profile tactile switches stands out much more 😵💫 I'm wondering if low profile linear switches has no issue 🤔
Which ones do you prefer between the chocs and the cowberry? I just bought ceramic keycaps and love them but I have low profile nuphy v1 brown switches and I am thinking of changing them
If I had to choose one it would be the cowberry. They are glass smooth after hand lubing and have a more satisfying bottom-out feel. What ceramic keycaps did you get? I don't know of any that are suited for low profile switches.
@@keebmods Awesome, thank you for the recommendation! And which normal profile switches would you recommend? I got the cerakey caps, and even though they are not low profile, they kinda work on the nuphy low profile switches - I think they just hit the bottom or are a hair above it. I'm sure however the sound would be better with normal switches
@@yorgohoebeke My favourite normal profile switches are Wuque Morandi. I like them because they have a short stroke and so don't feel very far different from a low profile switch. They sound nice and marbly, and can be used stock as the factory lube job is already very smooth. Note though that you cannot use normal profile switches on a low profile board. On the cerakey keycaps, im pretty sure all cherry profile caps will hit the top housing of low profile switches. They'll work, just that the sound and feel won't be optimal.
@@keebmods Thank you so much for taking the time to answer. I'll look into those switches. I think I might buy a separate board for the cerakey keycaps + the switches you recommended. Last question therefore: any specific board that you would recommend to me? (preferably wireless connection and Bluetooth). I'll probably binge-watch your videos to check the ones you have tested :)
@@yorgohoebeke I'm glad you're finding my content useful. Boards really depend on your preference as far as sound and feel are concerned. Do you like thocky or clacky? Bouncy or firm? From a productivity/functionality perspective I only use boards that support VIA so I can program macros. Also consider the layout/form factor and what keys you need to use on a regular basis.
Have you ever tried changing the springs on KS-33?
I like the sound and feel of my Gateron Chocolates, but I wish they were lighter.
Enjoying your vids! These look similar in spec to the moss switches. How would you compare the sound? Which do you think are thockier?
Great comparison. Interesting since there's a lot of improvement after lubing. By chance, were you able to compare it with Nuphy's Wisteria tactile switches? Since both are low-profile tactiles?
I am currently loving my Cowberry linears on Nuphy Air96v2. They also sound great on my Keychron K17 pro. But I am curious of trying tactiles next time.
I don't own a full set of wisterias for comparison, and there are a lot of videos on youtube already doing single-key comparos which I don't find too helpful. My subjective opinion is that wisterias sound louder than the chocs but more muted than the cowberries. If you observe the stem pole of the wisteria and cowberry, you'll see that the cowberry is a true long-pole stem with a solid tip that gives a clean, clear bottom out sound. The wisteria and choc (and regular brown) have the same type of hollow tip that gives a muted bottom out. When you add hollow tip + softer POM housing of the choc that gives the most muted sound. Summarily, in terms of volume its Choc < Wisteria < Cowberry.
@@keebmods nice. Thanks for the input! Since I am more inclined to muted sounds, I will definitely give Chocs a try.
@@keebmodsi've finally tested the Gateron Chocolates and they indeed have that silent deep creamy sound useful when I'm working in the office. The sound is not too loud and after lubing, it even sounded better with consistency. This is now replacing my Cowberries on Keychron K17 Pro for office typing job.
How is leaf ping noise?
I tried KS33 brown, but the leaf ping noise (metallic contact noise) was too harsh so i ditched them
i have same issue with wisteria switches.
@hasangunes21005 I even tried Lofree Flow Phantom switch version(which is using Kailh Low Profile) and it makes the same noise, I guess it's inevitable for low profile switches
@@jinho4822 The problem is the contact legs are very loose. Because of that the legs bends slightly when you put it in place. When you fix leaf before putting in place it doesnt make noise. But when you put
it in place then noise come back. Maybe we need to replace pcb sockets :(
@hasangunes21005 Even standard profile tactile switches like Brown or Holy panda or U4T make similar noises, but I guess low profile tactile switches stands out much more 😵💫
I'm wondering if low profile linear switches has no issue 🤔
Which ones do you prefer between the chocs and the cowberry?
I just bought ceramic keycaps and love them but I have low profile nuphy v1 brown switches and I am thinking of changing them
If I had to choose one it would be the cowberry. They are glass smooth after hand lubing and have a more satisfying bottom-out feel. What ceramic keycaps did you get? I don't know of any that are suited for low profile switches.
@@keebmods Awesome, thank you for the recommendation! And which normal profile switches would you recommend?
I got the cerakey caps, and even though they are not low profile, they kinda work on the nuphy low profile switches - I think they just hit the bottom or are a hair above it. I'm sure however the sound would be better with normal switches
@@yorgohoebeke My favourite normal profile switches are Wuque Morandi. I like them because they have a short stroke and so don't feel very far different from a low profile switch. They sound nice and marbly, and can be used stock as the factory lube job is already very smooth. Note though that you cannot use normal profile switches on a low profile board.
On the cerakey keycaps, im pretty sure all cherry profile caps will hit the top housing of low profile switches. They'll work, just that the sound and feel won't be optimal.
@@keebmods Thank you so much for taking the time to answer. I'll look into those switches.
I think I might buy a separate board for the cerakey keycaps + the switches you recommended.
Last question therefore: any specific board that you would recommend to me? (preferably wireless connection and Bluetooth). I'll probably binge-watch your videos to check the ones you have tested :)
@@yorgohoebeke I'm glad you're finding my content useful. Boards really depend on your preference as far as sound and feel are concerned. Do you like thocky or clacky? Bouncy or firm? From a productivity/functionality perspective I only use boards that support VIA so I can program macros. Also consider the layout/form factor and what keys you need to use on a regular basis.
are these better or worse than cowberries
Better. I swapped out my cowberries for them. Much better typing.