GoG Freak XL Barrel Kit Review
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- One of the most popular barrels ever just got a little bigger. Is the Freak XL worth the switch for the normal Freak, is there a change in performance? Lets find out!
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Just the video I was waiting for. Very thorough testing. Thank you for taking the time to make this video. I think i'll be sticking with my standard Freak Kit now. Cheers. 🤘
Appreciate all you have done and still do for this community!
I appreciate that!
I bought a freak Barrel kit when they first came out thank God I've always shot autococker. I was seriously thinking of upgrading an eighteen-year-old Barrel kit oh, now I can probably continue to carry my 18 year old barrels on the field
Thank you for been professional and accured with the info you share. Thank you for keep to air efficiency and fps velocity and consistency. Instead accuracy.
Really many others guys on RUclips doesn't understand the physics of paintball and just miss understand what they are trying to sell.
Once again thank you man. You have the best paintball channel.
Just got Into the hobby! I bought a mini GS and just ordered a Freak XL stainless steel kit……. Well I guess I’ma have a good kit for a long time lol I was expecting more performance but owe still excited I guess ahahah
I’ve had my original freak insert kit for ever. I got an XL to go with my CVO. As Brad says, there is no noticeable difference between the two.
Thanks for putting this together Brad! I know these videos are tough, especially when you expect to see some type results and end up with a whole lot of nothing. Good job, even though I'll disagree on the best barrel kit ;)
Those special effects are out of this world.
What about accuracy? Set up a market in a stand and shoot a target over a distance and see which is more accurate?
There are sooo many variables with accuracy, I don't have the time to dedicate to it at this point.
Variables in wind speed and sheer along with flaws with each paintball affect accuracy more then a 3 inch difference of your insert ever will.
Im curious if it's not because you're using it on a gun that is operating at low pressure.
I remember back in the automag days running with a high pressure firing gun, we would look for as long a barrel without porting as we could find because you could turn down the regulator and get the same velocity.
Basically, I'm wondering if your gun is already working at a low enough pressure that the extra length of barrel actually impacts negatively on the velocity???
This barrel length myth might just be an old standard for old tech!
By the way, it's cool to see you all grown up Brad! I remember back in the day when I worked at Predator on Watt Avenue selling you gear haha!
I heard you bought the place from Bob a while ago, pretty awesome man.
Anyway great channel!
I have an old angle A1 2 peace barrel kit and its the most quietest barrel I ever shot it also shoots better than my freak.
I real don't understand it I will never let this barrel go its a really great barrel
Great video I think you're right about not buying xl if you already have a good barrel but the xl is the best barrel on the market, I sold my whole freak kit and bought the xl and I've been using it at my local Field it's much more accurate for sure. It does not increase the distance but I already knew that was a gimmick
Perhaps you should try not only shooting the balls that fit perfectly to see if the XL helps with the slight variance in ball size. Either way- great video and thanks.
Every time someone says “freak XL is way better” I just direct them to this video
Im sure they can direct you to something that says different. It's an endless cycle!
Subscribed so much info in your videos love it.
i thought that the big selling point of the freak xl wasnt the velocity variables but rather the benefit of a longer control bore improving the overall accuracy of the down range shot spread.
i agree with your conclusion the way it was done. but you really should have used a random assortment to account for expected results and natural on the field as well as done a precise ball size comparison. then done a minimum of 30 balls. that is statistically the minimum number to establish a normal bell curve on a graph. not suggesting it would be much different but it would give a better statistical analysis and also show natural expected variance.
I like you honesty!!! You rock Thanks!!
Really like this channel.
I just ordered the 16” freak xl for my mini 😂
I just like regular barrel kit it dose cost more but they are almost always smoother & higher quality than a insert
Shot I took stats last semester! Hearing SD and all these stat terms,is,reminding me of that horrible class😂😰
Such a great video, thanks homie.
thanks! keep it honest even if its hard!
Other than velocity I was wondering if you actually noticed a difference in accuracy while shooting the XL Over the standard kit
I just ordered an xl so I’ll lyk
@@boostedreefer1041 is it better?
@@boostedreefer1041 ? Verdict?
@@boostedreefer1041 answers?
@@FvD714 it's not better. Barrel kits help with consistency of velocity. Not accuracy. I use a freak XL and it's not anymore accurate than my stock barrel.
I love my fiber x with ss feak inserts
I am trying to purchase a freak XL kit online and there two option, can someone tell me what the different between a gog freak xl kit and a small part freak xl kit?
I agree about the freak xl. It just isn't good enough anymore. The original freak was revolutionary, but now that so many smaller companies are making amazing high end barrels and selling them for ridiculously low prices, the freak just isn't the king anymore.
SSniper14 PB which companies? I was looking at lurker?
My favorite barrel at the moment is the lurker eigenbarrel
What size are you using ?
Depends on the paint. Right now I use a .678 or a .685
Cool. Appreciate your input snipe.
These videos are getting really good man. Debunking myths before they can start, well done. Help me out with this one #PBQT Do auto-cockers really shoot farther/more accurately than other markers, and if so how is that possible?
Underbore overbore who gives a shit just go play. I think the freak is awesome, however, on an xball field a lot of getting kills is lanes and accuracy by volume. How many times have you crawled down the snake and popped up at the 50 and shot the dorito guy across field ten times. Yea, you may have hit him on the first shot but when it comes tourney time your bonus balling the crap out of that guy. My point is for guys who don't play all the time why spend tons of money on a freak xl barrel kit for a marginal difference from the stock barrel. Well actually if you buy an axe it will be a lot better. I dont even know what Im trying to say or where I am going with this. Quite frankly, Im HAmmered. Awesome vid Brad. Your the damn man.
what about accuracy at range? that what I would assume a longer barrel would help with the most, no? not velocity lol
Thank you
Does the barrel back and tip thread all the way or just one thread
So the barrel back is regular but the tips are different?
My gf has never played paintball and has no interest in it, but when i asked her she said the 8in inserts are better
Can you do a video of barrels that take freak XL inserts? It even tips or backs that are made by other companies that take the inserts.
Right now there are only two barrels (that I know of) that accept the XL inserts. The freak XL barrel and the Deadlywind fibur X8. However, there are several adapters made by SSC (SuperStanchyCustoms) and Nummech that allow you to use xl inserts in a standard freak barrel. SSC has also made XL insert compatible backs for the eclipse FL barrel kit
compatible with the Axe 2.0
What was the accuracy difference between the 2 because in concept a longer distance that the bore is matched the more accurate the release of the ball from the barrel.
But what about accuracy? I woulda thought u woulda over that topic since your so thorough
barrels don't do much for accuracy, but the longer control bore helps with consistency, so as long as you are shooting good, round paint it will be accurate.
Nice video
freak xl FTW
Question about this kit. Is there any difference between the AA tip (spiral) and the FR tip (strait) in accuracy and/or sound of shot?
I've heard the AA tip should sound softer but havent seen anything about it in any article.
on the original freak barrels the AA was quietest followed by the teardrop then the straight porting. Not sure about the xl though
Great work and an awesome breakdown. The hand selection of paintballs?! G status
do you think the freak XL kit competes with the shaft barrel kit
#PBQT: Why is autococker considered to be more accurate than modern markers? Consistent shots are determined by spot on aiming, paint and barller. As last factor, marker has the least impact on accuracy. Are you able to aim left and hit to the right with an autococker? Why are they so highly revered?
the myth that closed bolt guns are more accurate is one of the things that made the cocker so popular. Now its just people who want to justify spending $1k on a high end cocker.
A little bit like airsoft. Buy an expensive and complex gun with million small parts that can fail on you.
I would be curious to see how the numbers would match up against a stock barrel. Does the freak in general make a big difference or is it just subjective?
Probably going to matter which stock barrel
what about the accuracy between the two kits...does the longer xl insert make it more accurate than the standard insert?
its not more accurate, but it is more consistent, which is one of the things you need for good accuracy. You still need to shoot good paint through it to it won't be accurate, just like any other barrel
What is the correct order to put the barrel together? I just got the kit anodized from ANS. If I put the insert into the tip and screw on the back I hear a squeaking noise. However if I put the barrel together and slide the insert from the back it seems better? Anyone else have this?
Was the precision (grouping) any different between the original and XL?
You make some great videos PBRML! I've watched so many now.
I know you get tons of questions... But, would it be better to get an Eclipse Barrel with inserts, or the Freak kit itself?
Are barrel tips interchangeable between kits?
What barrels would take the freak xl inserts ??
Can a XL kit fit on a mini gs?
Will the XL inserts fit in a 10 inch deadly winds fiber X barrel
It will not, but Deadlywind did just come out with the Fibur-X8 barrel that will take the 8in inserts.
Can those freak inserts go into any barrel? I have an 18inch rap4 barrel on a Tippmann TMC
yes
compatible with shocker XLS correct?
The xls comes Freak xl ready so you can buy the barrel inserts
I'm one of the few who didn't like the freak system just didn't work for me and my style of play.
Was it more ACCURATE though ?
no
What is variance and stand deviation
you should always underbore
to get more consistent shots
not paint /bore matching
or overbore if the paint is crappy
I mean hand-picked 5-star paintballs probably don't need to be underbored.
Always?
Paintball Ruined My Life, get him. I doubt mister conjecture there lives on the gulf coast.
Joshua Goscha Yup. Living on the Gulf Coast changes everything when it comes to paint lol.
So is the freak xl back compatible with the planet eclipse pro tip?
It is not.
Good to know. Thank you for the response.
Freak XL + Under bore vs Over Bore?
After reading all most of the comments, I think ill be doing something soon
Compare sound signature from different distances too please.
your test wasn't a real world scenario, would of been better off grabbing a virtue clock, a bag of 5 star and ramping for 10 seconds to get an average and your +/-. it has also been shown that bore matching your paint is NOT the way to do it, underbore or overbore will give you much better results, underbore for fps gain and overbore for consistency gain.
Will the normal freak kit fit on my gog enmy?
It will as long as the barrel has ion/impulse/luxe threads
I rather the freak inline
@Paintball Ruined My Life
So can you help me out bro? I'm in deep.
I'm looking for that barrel upgrade for my Cronus.
As the only upgrade available... I want to go all out.
I really like the Apex 2 and I NOTICED that you have yet to do a review (hint hint)... but wait...
Will the freak XL inserts even work on an Apex 2?... wait...
Will the Apex 2 even work on the Cronus?!
How many barrels do the freak XLs actually work in right now?
I guess since you said the differences are minute I could just get the old inserts for the Apex.
... but do you think it's worth getting the XLs for any future products?
... also do I really need EVERY bore available? I see individual ones for sale...
Would it be so terrible to only buy one size?
Xl inserts only work in freak xl barrels and the dealywind x8 . The apex does not take any kind of inserts. Freak barrels (including the deadlywind fibur x/x8) do not fit the cronus. Apex is fun to mess around with occasionally, but I wouldn't use it as my main barrel. The best barrels for the cronus are the CP one pice, the J&J ceramic, and the deadlywind null barrel. As for bore size, you should be fine getting a .685 or .688.
SSniper14 PB
You're the best man.
Really putting the products in perspective.
I wish I could do more to my cronus though!!!
Can you use this barrel kit on a etha 2?
Yep
Do you think a DM 15 would beat the 160R?
No
Definitely
Don't care to explain, its very simple. 160R>DM15. If someone wants to explain it good for them.
I own both and personally prefer the DM 15. However, they are both high quality guns.
Want to get more kill's...??? Stop buying parts and buy more paint and play more...!!! and then do drills until you get it right.
Preach it, 20% gear, 80% skill
This isn't new at all. This whole 8 inch thing goes WAY back. Tom Kaye of Airgun Designs did A LOT of testing alongside Bud Orr of WGP back in the 90s on these sorts of things. Bud Orr discovered that when using CO2, the paintball reaches maximum velocity in about 3.5 inches of barrel length. At that time, the ball is moving faster than the speed at which the CO2 can expand.
But, Tom Kaye discovered that Nitrogen or compressed air acts very differently, and accelerates the ball at a slower rate. He found that it takes the ball 8 inches of barrel length to accelerate to full velocity using these gases.
So any control bore longer than 8 inches on a compressed air powered gun simply causes drag and reduces efficiency. So the Freak XL is ideal in most cases, as the ball no longer drags against the barrel after it passes the 8 inch insert.
For CO2 powered guns, the standard 6 inch Freak kit is ideal, as you'll only have 2.5 inches of drag after acceleration is completed.
All of this can be found with some deep googling. Tom Kaye's research can be found archived on Automags dot Org titled "Tom's Tech Tips".
Most of this "new" paintball science is old stuff discovered by the original movers and shakers of the sport. We owe so much to Tom and Bud.
Also, that spiral porting is traditionally called All American style porting, after the All American barrel that Smart Parts had patents on.
you know i just feel like 8 inches is too long and that 5 inches is perfect. 5 inches will probably satisfy more, it’s not all about the length. I bet everyone would prefer 5 inches if they tried it.
Keep telling yourself that
can you do a video on you're tattoos
Nope :)
:(
i second this
What thread is the mini gs
Buckets auto cocker
great review, your videos are all on point, keep it up.
let me ask your professional advice.
I have the Axe Pro, I only play 2 time a month. should I break down and buy the kit, or just buy a couple backs for my 2 piece, and call it a day?
"side note, I have a tm15se, I play woods ball with aswell"
thanks in advance
I would just a few backs, mainly because it is cheaper.
Extremely small sampling, results will be much greater over the course of an entire hopper + pods.
Too bad you need to underbore or over not match to see the consistency to see the increase in performance... Look at cocker punks barrel testing videos to understand the topic better. NEVER MATCH YOUR BORE
Too bad?
@@PaintballRuinedMyLife I'm saying your test wasn't valid because there's too much inconsistency in paint to allow it to be a variable. Under boring or over boring removes that variable (as much as you physically can) to see the actual difference between the barrel systems. Bore matching gives to the biggest deviation because one paintball might seal better than the next. Slight under or over bore is going to give you the best consistency. Just trying to help you out in future reviews.
Your findings conflict with this guys chrono test: ruclips.net/video/JQQrcN9dU00/видео.html
#PBQT what do you think is the worst type of player in paintball ?
KudaTheNerd the kid that gets a tournament grade marker and shit ton of gear and can’t even hold their gun correctly
Pod thiefs.
why am i up
so moral of the video, buy a cp one piece and call it a day and use the rest of the money to play paintball :)
Hahaha pretty much
Pretty much, yeah. You can spend a whole bunch of money on a barrel kit and not really get much performance difference. It's why I just use the stock barrel that came with my marker, or I might upgrade to a Deadlywind Null just for the weight :P
i remember when for like a 3 month spree people were raving about the lucky barrel because it was a 2 piece barrel but essentially a 1 piece barrel with the second piece being the adapter to the gun breach. i bought into this having to order them from europe and i admit they are great and look nice if you didn't opt for colors other than black or polished silver because of the crappy anodizing
worst way to size paint to barrel.
What is the "best" way?
Sounds like it’s not worth the price tag for barely making a noticeable difference
How accurate are the inserts? I know back in the day someone measured them with the micrometer and they were all way off .
they're much better, but I'd get the SS inserts since they tend to be more accurate to the label
If I were to pick 2 different size barrels for summer / winter in California, what 2 sizes should I get?
P Dog as in length? For bore size i would just get the kit.
@@PeanutsAnDEgO I got the kit! Thanks!