hey man love the videos and effort put into theory crafting! Any chance we can get a link to the google docs with testing? so we can see when things get updated? Edit: I'm in the paladin discord but can't find spreadsheet
Would you mind posting some BiS gear lists by phase for each of the 4 specs? I think Classic.wowhead has a really easy system for making such lists and posting them.
Do we have the information now on whether or not the on proc effects from weapons scale with spell power? I tested Shadow Oil and it works. However, I also tested Bonechill Hammer and it does not work.
Dear sensei, plz answer me, what stats do i need to prio and why? Some say Retreckoning should go for Agility, some say that for Str. Who should i listen, i personally, based on what videos i've seen, trying to stay on 4700+ hp and 20%+ crit rating. Raw str is my lowest prio. Am i right? PLZ ANSWER ME! And also, what do you think about an Untamed blade and how to use it in PvP? (Because i have it right now in my hands)
Look up a video called "Gearing in 2023, what to ware and why" that will better tell you what's going on is painful detail. TDR is that paladin REALLY likes just raw stat gear. So Marshals, Avengers, "Crusader" gear aka plate epics with just ALL the stats. As for Untamed blade she's ok. Nothing super special about her to mention. She's not fast enough to say anything extra nor slow enough. She will do better in Time on Target style fights after a Bomb. Or for Deep Ret. In theory if the proc stays with you after weapon swap she's not bad to Mob with SoR for the x2 Proc with Crusader before moving into a 1 Hander of your choise. Really not much to say about her. She is a WORSE Rank14 Wep. Me and Drakova never found a good use for her... she is just "decent"
Does red whelp gloves really not scale? Im pretty positive i used those in vanilla because they did, i remember my friends asking my why i wore level 19 green gloves all the time XD
Can you make an update on all the SoR stuff that we didn't know yet when this video was made? I imagine you got alot of testing in and might know which weapons might be good for damage for a spell power pally? Edit:just realised you did to an update so I'm gonna wathh that now lol
Azuresong Mageblade not all that good then, thought i was being smart using +dmg sword :P Also how would you rate Hammer of the Northern Wind and Dazzling Longsword?
How important would u say the blacksmithing trinket is for pally in pvp? I'm wondering if I should go blacksmithing just for the trinket or go something else with engi
If you have to pick one Engi is far better then BS. Engi / BS and paying the bills via fishing / AoE farming when you get bored with that is the way to go for most serious paladin pvpers. The BS trinket is just to good when dealing with Warlocks and Shadow Priests. Two classes that can be a pain otherwise to deal with.
@@zerdos2 That one is hard to tell, an likely best depends on the peeps you are rolling with and what specialization they are going for. Mace is good, Axe is good, Armor is good. Sword tends to be crap. If you want a REAL answer Mace = Ebon Hand, Sulfuron Hammer... Axe = Nightfall Armor = The helm (serious brain fart on the name) Reactive Disk, Obsidian Shield and maybe one or two other items.
October huh... yeah Drakova is trying to get me to play that with him. I still got to try the PvP gear Hand of rag build so if Blizzard don't give us a fresh no changes server...
Yeah there are some odd mechanics that really make fast 1 handers pump the deeps come classic... other fun facts are just how rare it is for any of the caster classes to have pushback immunity in Classic, Priests get it when they are crit and have 100% push-back immunity when they have bubble up, so it it often worth to save judgement damage for the bubble and try to crush through it as quickly as possible to work the pushback angle. Shamans have ZERO push back immunity so they start to cry rapidly if you have the resists to stay in combat with them... Warlocks have void sac shield as their only pushback immunity I think... and the same goes for mages and their bubble. BTW FUCK YOU for having that god damn wolf as your icon... fucking thing gave me nightmares as a kid and even to this day creeps me the fuck out. Aliens from Aliens and that damn Never Ending Story wolf are the only things that I have nightmares about... yeesh...
@@pallytime2156 Thx for the answer. Still struggling pal or rogue for classic? Who knows... :D Pals are good overall but not good in solo open world pvp and solo farming i feel (im a noob, maybbe im wrong). In the other hand rogues are good at world pvp, but they are overpopulated (hard do get into raids and get gear) and not good at open world group pvp and boring in BGs. I just thought if 1h almst the same as 2h in DPS, a 1h is better cause u can use a shield (cause of the shield u have more armor and stats). Thats right :D aliens and Gmork (the wolf) from the Neverending Story were creepy :D But at the same time they are a little fascinating, arent they? :D
I like wolves, and Aliens in the shit... just not THAT mother fucker... ta couple wolves in Into the Grey freaked me out as well. I think its the lack of a natural wolf that puts my neck hairs on tilt.
Paladins are arguably the best world pvp class, especially any of the reckoning builds, as there is not a single 1v1 match-up that does not favor you with a precharged wreck bomb. Infact, reckoning paladins are so strong in open world pvp, all of my 1v1 guides for them are "Technically" 1 v 2 guides, as you come in mounted, dismount, stun and hit people with a two hander for 4 to 5k damage, often deleting the squisher of the two targets. This is one of the main reasons I never really rely on stuns in my videos... on one hand they might be an orc so stun often bouces off of them... and the other time stun is on CD because I just clapped some poor fool out of existence... effectively doing what a rogue does over 30s just in 1 to 4s. From there the standard 1v1 dueling with pots and roots applies, which is what I often blather on about. So for example: Say I am running around winter-spring mining or doing whatever... I am mounted in X gear with my best two hander precharged off of mobs and riding around... the first hit I make on anything is 4k damage easy... which even if it does not kill, changes the dynamics of the fight to come so DRASTICALLY in my favor that Its super easy to run people down from their and kill them. The only class you have issues with is mages and even then their are ways. Other classes you might have some issues with such as SL warlock you can just run from after the bomb fails. Reckoning Paladins OP AF in open world pvp... make rogues look like shit by comparison. Holy Reckoning in Particular. See if you can find videos.
@@gmork9279 Yeah the video "every class falls to Holy Reckoning" is "respectable"... average and decent performance from this guy against average and decent players. Very typical but sub optimal... though I am sure it will scare you what he's doing.
Heal in pvp as pala that's your strongest function and spec in bgs and group pvp, don't be a mouth breathing melee pala, as for solo world pvp get farmed as much as you like by playing these useless melee specs
hey man love the videos and effort put into theory crafting! Any chance we can get a link to the google docs with testing? so we can see when things get updated?
Edit: I'm in the paladin discord but can't find spreadsheet
Would you mind posting some BiS gear lists by phase for each of the 4 specs? I think Classic.wowhead has a really easy system for making such lists and posting them.
Do we have the information now on whether or not the on proc effects from weapons scale with spell power? I tested Shadow Oil and it works. However, I also tested Bonechill Hammer and it does not work.
I love your videos. But man oh man am i curious what armour to use before i get r6,7 set rdy and rolling
Dear sensei, plz answer me, what stats do i need to prio and why? Some say Retreckoning should go for Agility, some say that for Str. Who should i listen, i personally, based on what videos i've seen, trying to stay on 4700+ hp and 20%+ crit rating. Raw str is my lowest prio. Am i right? PLZ ANSWER ME! And also, what do you think about an Untamed blade and how to use it in PvP? (Because i have it right now in my hands)
Look up a video called "Gearing in 2023, what to ware and why" that will better tell you what's going on is painful detail.
TDR is that paladin REALLY likes just raw stat gear. So Marshals, Avengers, "Crusader" gear aka plate epics with just ALL the stats.
As for Untamed blade she's ok. Nothing super special about her to mention. She's not fast enough to say anything extra nor slow enough.
She will do better in Time on Target style fights after a Bomb. Or for Deep Ret.
In theory if the proc stays with you after weapon swap she's not bad to Mob with SoR for the x2 Proc with Crusader before moving into a 1 Hander of your choise.
Really not much to say about her. She is a WORSE Rank14 Wep.
Me and Drakova never found a good use for her... she is just "decent"
Does red whelp gloves really not scale? Im pretty positive i used those in vanilla because they did, i remember my friends asking my why i wore level 19 green gloves all the time XD
Can you make an update on all the SoR stuff that we didn't know yet when this video was made? I imagine you got alot of testing in and might know which weapons might be good for damage for a spell power pally?
Edit:just realised you did to an update so I'm gonna wathh that now lol
Azuresong Mageblade not all that good then, thought i was being smart using +dmg sword :P
Also how would you rate Hammer of the Northern Wind and Dazzling Longsword?
Excellent!
How important would u say the blacksmithing trinket is for pally in pvp? I'm wondering if I should go blacksmithing just for the trinket or go something else with engi
If you have to pick one Engi is far better then BS. Engi / BS and paying the bills via fishing / AoE farming when you get bored with that is the way to go for most serious paladin pvpers.
The BS trinket is just to good when dealing with Warlocks and Shadow Priests. Two classes that can be a pain otherwise to deal with.
@@pallytime2156 Cool I'll go BS then, which specialization do you think is best suited for a paladin?
@@zerdos2 That one is hard to tell, an likely best depends on the peeps you are rolling with and what specialization they are going for. Mace is good, Axe is good, Armor is good. Sword tends to be crap.
If you want a REAL answer Mace = Ebon Hand, Sulfuron Hammer...
Axe = Nightfall
Armor = The helm (serious brain fart on the name) Reactive Disk, Obsidian Shield and maybe one or two other items.
SoR all the way :D Can't wait for Everlooks private server to come out in October :)
October huh... yeah Drakova is trying to get me to play that with him. I still got to try the PvP gear Hand of rag build so if Blizzard don't give us a fresh no changes server...
can you link the document shown in your video?
Its a Discord page, I can see what I can do
Its the "Pretty Lame Paladin Sheet" on Discord (its a sever) it seems to have morphed in THEE place for paladins on discord.
@@pallytime2156 how can I join that server?
@@LetsPilz give me you discord number and I can invite you
sec there might be an easier way
fast 1h + good shield > 2h ??? Talking about spell power build. (Learned much from ur vids btw :) keep up the good content )
Yeah there are some odd mechanics that really make fast 1 handers pump the deeps come classic... other fun facts are just how rare it is for any of the caster classes to have pushback immunity in Classic, Priests get it when they are crit and have 100% push-back immunity when they have bubble up, so it it often worth to save judgement damage for the bubble and try to crush through it as quickly as possible to work the pushback angle.
Shamans have ZERO push back immunity so they start to cry rapidly if you have the resists to stay in combat with them...
Warlocks have void sac shield as their only pushback immunity I think... and the same goes for mages and their bubble.
BTW FUCK YOU for having that god damn wolf as your icon... fucking thing gave me nightmares as a kid and even to this day creeps me the fuck out.
Aliens from Aliens and that damn Never Ending Story wolf are the only things that I have nightmares about... yeesh...
@@pallytime2156 Thx for the answer. Still struggling pal or rogue for classic? Who knows... :D Pals are good overall but not good in solo open world pvp and solo farming i feel (im a noob, maybbe im wrong). In the other hand rogues are good at world pvp, but they are overpopulated (hard do get into raids and get gear) and not good at open world group pvp and boring in BGs.
I just thought if 1h almst the same as 2h in DPS, a 1h is better cause u can use a shield (cause of the shield u have more armor and stats).
Thats right :D aliens and Gmork (the wolf) from the Neverending Story were creepy :D But at the same time they are a little fascinating, arent they? :D
I like wolves, and Aliens in the shit... just not THAT mother fucker... ta couple wolves in Into the Grey freaked me out as well. I think its the lack of a natural wolf that puts my neck hairs on tilt.
Paladins are arguably the best world pvp class, especially any of the reckoning builds, as there is not a single 1v1 match-up that does not favor you with a precharged wreck bomb. Infact, reckoning paladins are so strong in open world pvp, all of my 1v1 guides for them are "Technically" 1 v 2 guides, as you come in mounted, dismount, stun and hit people with a two hander for 4 to 5k damage, often deleting the squisher of the two targets.
This is one of the main reasons I never really rely on stuns in my videos... on one hand they might be an orc so stun often bouces off of them... and the other time stun is on CD because I just clapped some poor fool out of existence... effectively doing what a rogue does over 30s just in 1 to 4s.
From there the standard 1v1 dueling with pots and roots applies, which is what I often blather on about.
So for example: Say I am running around winter-spring mining or doing whatever... I am mounted in X gear with my best two hander precharged off of mobs and riding around... the first hit I make on anything is 4k damage easy... which even if it does not kill, changes the dynamics of the fight to come so DRASTICALLY in my favor that Its super easy to run people down from their and kill them.
The only class you have issues with is mages and even then their are ways. Other classes you might have some issues with such as SL warlock you can just run from after the bomb fails.
Reckoning Paladins OP AF in open world pvp... make rogues look like shit by comparison.
Holy Reckoning in Particular. See if you can find videos.
@@gmork9279 Yeah the video "every class falls to Holy Reckoning" is "respectable"... average and decent performance from this guy against average and decent players. Very typical but sub optimal... though I am sure it will scare you what he's doing.
Heal in pvp as pala that's your strongest function and spec in bgs and group pvp, don't be a mouth breathing melee pala, as for solo world pvp get farmed as much as you like by playing these useless melee specs
Dawg you have no idea what ur on about.