Ex-Armed Robber Reacts to the Film Heat
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- Ex-Armed Robber Reacts to the Film Heat with Robert De Niro and Al Pacino.
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00:00 Intro
01:05 Heat Reaction
10:23 Question Time
14:26 Outro 
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I've discovered the Heat shootout WAS based on a real shootout in Chicago in 1964, so Stephen was right all along. The real Neil Macauley and his crew had just robbed a store and were coming back out with $13,000 ($125,000 in 2023 money) when they were ambushed by the real Vincent Hanna and his officers. Two of Macauley's crew were shot dead in the street and Macauley ran off, chased on foot by Detective Chuck Adamson (Al Pacino's character) who ended up shooting Macauley six times then held the robber's hand as he died.
Spot on my friend
Damn.
The assault in North Hollywood shootout back in 1997, criminals was inspired in that film. So damnn creepy.
@@holeefok3158 Oh my, I totally remember that incident. I didn't know they were inspired by the movie though.
@@writer46m72 They weren't inspired by the movie. They'd been robbing banks long before Heat came out.
You have a DeNiro quality yourself lol, what a magnificent movie. That scene where Kilmer thinks he's in the clear and goes into Kill Mode in a tenth of a second is astounding.
Same as when he comes home and smiles to his honey and she waves a finger and the smile vanishes from his face, and he just KNOWS, and moves on. Kilmer was absolutely terrific in this movie. As was everybody, really.
"money is rly heavy"
Payday player: you're god damn right
This scene inspired the mission "Three Leaf Clover" in GTA 4. It had a comedic beginning driving to the bank, but ended in a running battle. Worth downloading just for this one mission.
The beginning part was based off point break
And ive also read that the whole movie is a remake of an 80's movie "LA Takedown"...@@coled5391
Rockstar has copied heat many times. The vice city hesit and the gta 5 heist too.
Literally the only mission I can remember from that game.
I like Stephen Gillen narrating this scene. He is telling the truth because in situations like this, YOU DON'T PLAY HERO!!
I’m live in Norway, and I remember thinking when the NOKAS-robbery went down in 2004 that it felt like something out of this movie. There was even a downtown shootout where a cop was shot. Still the biggest heist ever in Norway. Made a movie about it in 2010, could be worth checking out.
My absolute fave film ever made. I sneaked in tot he cinema at 13 to watch it.
Tremendous film, great cast and a great ending. Pacino and De Niro play there parts so well as they always do. First class film enjoyed this review Stephen 👏
Check out the new novel, Heat 2. Absolute quality.
This was based on real characters who actually bumped into each other in a coffee house
Is it me or do he look JUST LIKE De Niro?? Like everything!!
Just for info... Deniro and Pacinos characters were based on two real people who in fact did sit down and have a coffee together hence that iconic scene
Fun fact, the North Hollywood robbers had a copy of Heat at their house meaning that the North Hollywood Shootout was actually based on Heat not the other way around.
Pretty sure they found the movie in their VCR. They watched it before they executed the heist.
It was actually based on a shootout in Chicago in the 50s.
I remember seeing a video where someone army or marines said his instructor told him, while screening the film, if you can't change a magazine and get on point as fast as Val Kilmer, Get out of my unit! One of my favorite films of all time, infinitely rewatchable, and the soundtrack OMG. Bought it. The film too. "The Sound of God Across the Waters" by Moby. Who wouldn't let it be included in the soundtrack. Just so many terrific things about this movie all around,, and a master class in acting by DeNiro.
That shootout is one of the best ever
No. It IS the best ever...
There was a scene before this that the robbers disabled the security system in the garage building of the national bank a day before they start to rob it.
Now that was pure professionalism.
De Niro's character is based on an armed robber in Chicago. In the extras on the DVD Dennis Farina talks about him, he was in Snatch and used to be a policeman in Chicago.
3:20 "people need to realise - money is really heavy!" ... I mean, I know it was gold bars (which is altogether a different ball game) but when the Brinks Mat guys stumbled onto that fortune they only had a little van to get away in, lol. They somehow loaded up all that gold and apparently the bumper was scraping along the ground when they drove off 🤣
I work for the media covering conflict and wars, and not ONE Hollywood movie even comes close to sounding like a real shootout...except heat, They used the real audio from the set of the shootout and you can tell, the mass of noise you hear in a gunfight is insane, its like a wall of noise, but in most movies you hear individual shots or people talking, which is not the case in real life, Heat to this day is my fave, realistic crime film.
All the actors in the film were fantastic. Tom Sizemore has never gotten the recognition he deserves.
Well for me, the action is the juice.
He wasn't even mentioned at the Oscars last year in the list of actors that died. Shame..
Coincidentally the armoured vehicle scene in this movie inspired french armed robber Redoine Faid, who went so far as to state that he considered Michael Mann to be his mentor of sorts.
ps: Always thought you had a touch of the Robert de Niro about you Stephen, you definitely share certain mannerisms!
That's brilliant info. And yes he is like DeNiro how he carries himself isn't he haha.
My grandfather was actually very alike to him too. You'd swear they were brother's. And my grandfather was also a very well known robber too. Strange world.
@@roymunson1 hi roy loved you in the movie kingpin
SAS hero Andy McNab was involved in the making of the shootout scene and it is by a long way the best one ever put on film. it was so good they used the original sound recording of it as it was better than the over dub in editing .
Yea a couple of sas guys were involved
I always turn the volume right up. Like you say best shoot out ever.
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Wow 😮 I didn’t know that!! 🙋♀️🤦♀️🤷♀️🇬🇧
Andy mcnab the bullshiter of Iraq..he tells some lies in his book.. proven lies
Yeah mick gould was the other. You can tell how much range time de niro and kilmer put in, kilmers use of the car15 is top notch
Den of Thieves would be a good one to see you do Stephen
The best action shooting scenes in any movie up to that time and IMO even since. People always celebrate the bank robbery scene, which is obscenely gripping, but I think the drive-in scene was also an absolutely heart-stopping sequence too. There were softer interpersonal moments too that were put together so well, and so incredibly economically, not at all interfering with the pace of the story, that have stayed with me so easily, and, I think, launched a couple of careers.
"What's their M.O.?" "Their M.O. is that they're GOOD." LOL
Great review of a fabulous film..
The shootout is EPIC. Classic Michael Mann. Remember him from the Miami Vice days. Very good show too.
I appreciate your candor in these videos. Not many people who do talk about these kinds of crimes are able to keep from mythologizing themselves or what they've done, if they've actually done any of it at all.
Just want to thank you.
Ex SAS guy acted as advisor on this and collateral with tom cruise
I like the reaction straight from the heart.
One of the best films ever made.
This movie is an absolute classic and a masterpiece. Great to hear your thoughts on it.
Thank you & Brilliant Analysis Stephen of one of my favourite films of all time!
I dont know how Neil's Crew managed to enter the bank with military grade weapons hidden under their suit jackets without any staff members noticing.
Wow I like your comments on this ! Will be watching some more….👍
One of my favorite movies of all time. Great cast and great performances.
One of my favourite films!!! 🙏
If I'm not mistaken, the film came out years before the North Hollywood shootout took place.
So if anything, the shootout was inspired by this film.
No it was NOT. It's stupid to claim that.
@@NotMykl Thank you for the thoughtful comment. 👍
Great observations Stephen! Valuable comments! Good luck😇 in Your New Projects!
its based on the north hollywood shootout/bank robbery and it did last for a long time, they had full body armour head to toe and they had light machine guns with 200-250 round box magazines plus multiple extra box magazines. the robbers where armed and armoured better then the actual police and sheriff departments at the time. it was nation wide headline news here in the US at the time.
Yes if I am not mistaken the cops actually had to go to a local gun shop and get the weapons they needed as this was happening in real time because they were out gunned.
@@xlxl9440 ya something like tht cause at the time law enforcement only carried pistols and shotguns.
@@danielcampbell9457 I reall loved how Michael Mann depicted the Stagard Column formation for the forward suppression fire to escape. Very skillfully done and from what I understand about military tactics very realistic.
@@xlxl9440 yup back when most movies were actually good.
It isn't based on the Hollywood shootout ... unless someonee invented time travel.
The Hollywood shootout was in 1997, HEAT was released in 1995.
They didn't have light machine guns with 200-250 rd box magazines.
They had AK pattern rifles illegally converted to fire in fun mode, with some drum magazines as well as regular mags.
You are correct in that the robbers were heavily armed and had aquired, or constructed, (I heard that they had constructed the body armour, but I may be mis-remembering that information), body armour.
The police that responded were armed typically at the time with revolvers, self loading pistols and shotguns, which while effective if they hit an unarmoured part of the robbers, were all but useless against the armoured bits
There is a story attached to this shootout that the police sent someone to local gun store/s to 'borrow' some AR-15 rifles in order to get the extra punch required to defeat the body armour worn by the robbers, but I can't recall if that story has ever been confirmed as true ... there is also a photo floating around out there of an LAPD SWAT officer in a t-shirt, shorts, vest and weapon who was supposedly responsible for killing one of the robbers.
It wasn't just headline news in the US, I was 20 at the time and living in New Zealand on the other side of the world, and the shootout was being broadcast almost live on CNN (that we could get) as well as our own local TV stations.
It's understandable to think the Heat shootout is based on the North Hollywood shootout, but the North Hollywood shootout happened in 1997, Heat came out in 1995. When the real shootout happened, everyone was thinking Heat. Also, with 2,000 bullets fired on public roads, it's amazing only the two robbers died that day.
Actually it is not "understandable" to think the movie "inspired" the North Hollywood shootout.
And no, "everyone" were NOT thinking of 'Heat'.
This was actually based on a real Neil McCauley He operated in Chicago in the late 50's early 60's and the cop chasing him had respect for him, the Cafe scene was also real McCauley served 7 yr in Alcatraz five in the hole, and he was in McNeil prison, The scene when the crew are working on a bank while Pacino's men are in a truck and one lets his rifle hit the interior of the van was true and they walked, I don't think the crew took down really large scores like in the film. And the advisor on the films firearms training was Andy McNab from "Bravo.2.Zero." It was all on the DVD special features
And loved that movie! Can’t wait to see when your movie comes out!👍🏻❤️
I cant imagine the addeline pumping robbing a bank 🏧
Good work Stephen, nice input 👌🏽
If anything, the North Hollywood shootout based itself on this movie, rather than the other way around, lol. I think this movie came out in 1995 and the North Hollywood robbery was 1997. Maybe there was another earlier big shootout though that this film was based upon (America certainly isn't lacking for them) but the North Hollywood one is the famous one everyone remembers
This kind of thing is relatively rare, it is a surprise it doesn't happen more often.
There was also the 1980 Narco Shootout.
I was gonna say the same thing! Heat dropped in ‘96. The North Hollywood shootout went down in ‘97. Afterwards the cops even found a copy of Heat in a VCR owned by one of the robbers.
I seem to recall that some of the characters (Neal, at least) were based loosely on actual people.
Think i saw a docu here on youtube that said those robbers had Heat in there vhs player when the cops raided their place
Another great video Stephen enjoyed it
Great review mt thank u
I'll have to watch this again. The shootout scene was so loud on my surround set up. It was good in the cinema but you could really ramp it up at home. Probably De Niro's last really good acting role.
Jackie Brown? Ronin? The Irishman?
@@jnicholls21Irishman was terrible. As someone who’s loved DeNiro and Scorsese since I’ve been a kid, I walked out of the theater- that’s how bad it was. Awful.
@@Kyle-ys3cv I watched the whole Criterion edition of it. I enjoyed it to a point, but it wasn't great, of course. Just not up to a Goodfellas level. I still enjoyed it for the
ground it covered and history, etc.
@@thiscorrosion900 no- it was terrible. A blemish on Marty’s ouvre.
@@Kyle-ys3cv Well, it certainly wasn't even in the realm of his best movies, that's for sure. I thought Killers of the Flower Moon was ok, but far too long.
The robbery was known as the North Hollywood shootout. I remember watching it on the news as it was happening in 1997.
Mate! Take a look at yourself at 13:50 when you look to your right and down. Spitting image of DeNiro! I'll require 10% finders fee of any movie deals you get as a result of this discovery;)
Fabulous as always! ❤️
Anything to the "Coppola's" in the business?
Great film love the way you telling the story mate
Thanks Stephen great channel , love the stories and your presentation , Bronson one was great , stay well , best wishes from australia
I've got to say I'm loving these reviews Stephen...
The Q&A sections at the end are very cool.
It's interesting you mentioned that "for armed robbers, it's not about getting in, it's about getting out," because I recently watched a documentary on John Dillinger, and he said the exact same thing. One reason why Dillinger always got away before the authorities could catch up with him was because the escape was thoroughly planned much more than the insertion. "Where are the nearest police stations, which routes are they likeliest to take to reach the bank, which escape routes are optimal for OUR wheelman, where are the closest county and state lines so the police no longer have jurisdiction --" (Read More)
Dillinger's wheelmen would scout out the routes physically in their cars with a map in hand and memorize a list of directions and landmarks, similar to Rally racers and their co-drivers. That way, when the men got back in the car with loot in hand, the driver would just hit the gas and take a series of turns that would lead them out of the town or city before the police could get a bead on them.
The 1997 Hollywood Shootout happened after Heat (1995).
In the '97 North Hollywood shootout the cops were actually debating for 40 minutes on letting them get away just to end the onslaught.
Eventually they got to a gun dealer's store and he supplied them with AR's and plenty of ammunition.
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thank stepheh for recommending the film HEAT have u got anymore you could recommend pls that film was amazing
Stephen it was the other way around. The North Hollywood shootout happened a few years after this film released.
and if you look in the credits it was Andy McNab of the infamous "story" Bravo Two Zero who did the choreography for the firefight, with traditional British Army fire and manoeuvre tactics.
This guy is the most ‘gangstery’ character I’ve ever seen - if I had to pick out of a lineout a guy who was most likely a gangster in the past it would be this guy….mostly, strangely enough, from his accent!!
Incredible movie. Great video.
Really good stuff!
Great picture..
Excellent review from your point of view. A movie I would like you deep dive is Love, Honor & Obey.
fucking masterpiece, nothing more to add...
Well done.
Great review.
I’d like to see his viewpoint of the whole movie and how mcauley operates not just the shoot out scene.
Stephen Gillen Have you reviewed THIEF yet with James Caan (early Michael Mann)? Has become one of my favorite crime drama films of all time over the years. I missed it
in 1981 when it first came out, somehow. Was young then and didn't realize how much of it was based on real life/real guys including the guy that wrote the book The Home Invaders.
Caan in that movie is more of a sheer technician, of course. The job has to be inside, and up to a certain level or he won't even consider it.
Good point about the weight of millions of €$.I have no experience of anything like that but have wondered about the level of planning not just getting in and out but the finer details like the weight..crazy man..
Hi Steven, another good review. I always say I robbed a lot of banks, but not with guns, with confidence and good intentions, I cashed the cheques and used the cards but never could paid them back. now I owe no man anything - debts paid in full. No credit no loans. I work and spend what I have and that enough my friend - have a good one
Stephen the Beverly Hills shootout (colloquially the 44 Minute shootout) was actually based on the film!
Stephen, you look a lot like Robert DeNiro, love listening to your shows. I need to get your biography book. Where can I pick one up!👍🏻❤️
The incident Stephen refers to lasted 72 mins which is the name of the film that tells the story, strangely after cops killed both robbers when searching their flat they found the video of Heat in the player! Proof positive this isn't based on it but hey I'm a Michael Mann fanatic, also original film was called LA Takedown again by Michael Mann. Please review either movie Mr Gillen, please!!
There was a made for TV movie based on the North Hollywood Shootout that aired on FX in June of 2003, and it was actually named 44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shootout. The most notable impact of that film was that it funded a number of Michael Madsen’s mortgage payments, and later inspired a song by Megadeth that was also named “44 Minutes.”
The actual incident was historically significant for a number of reasons. One of those being the length of time the actual shootout lasted before the suspects were finally taken down by the police. Obviously the reason it lasted so long was because it was the first police shootout where the suspects were both equipped with tactical rigs and Type IIIA body armor reinforced with ballistic plates to protect vital organs, as well as homemade armor for their limbs-which was far more substantial than what the police had at that time.
It wasn’t the first time that suspects had used high powered rifles against police, because there had been multiple shootouts in the 70’s and 80’s preceding the incident, but these guys were the first to use semi-automatic rifles that were illegally converted to fully automatic, and loaded with 100-round drum magazines.
For perspective, when you hear the media use words like “high capacity magazine” in their description of a firearm, depending on the jurisdiction, that could mean anything that holds more than 10-rounds. The most commonly available sizes being in the range of 15 to 30-rounds-which means that they could fire 3-10x the number of rounds before they needed to reload.
Most importantly, that was also an inflection point in modern policing policies, government spending, and tactics, because when police realized they were outgunned and unable to penetrate their armor, they raided a local gun shop in order to get their hands on similar rifles that could actually take them down.
From that point on, police departments have been militarized from coast to coast to prevent that from ever happening again.
The events that actually inspired the film Heat took place between 1961 and 1964, and they were far less action-packed than what made it into the film-so most of the screenplay was either purely fictional or an amalgamation of a variety of different sources. The mostly true-to-life aspects of the story that actually made it into the film were the name of Robert De Niro’s character, Neil McCauley, the scene where he met with the detective for coffee which was based on an actual conversation they had, and the basic outline of the plot being about a crew of guys led by McCauley that successfully committed a number of armed robberies/heists until they were tracked down by a detective who kept tabs on them until he was finally able to spring a trap that ended in a shootout where most of them died in a hail of gunfire, except for one guy (that Val Kilmer’s character was very loosely based on) who survived the initial ambush by shooting his way out, but that only lasted a couple of days before he was arrested.
Anyways, my point is that Heat was an amazing film based on a fairly mediocre heist with a quirky story, that ultimately ended up inspiring the craziest heist in American history, which forever changed the fundamental nature of policing, and it turned even the smallest rural departments into the militarized police forces we know today.
So, just remember that whenever you see over policing, where cops are brutalizing and/or executing unarmed civilians in the streets-you can indirectly thank Michael Mann, Al Pacino, Robert De Niro and Val Kilmer for being the catalyst behind all of that unchecked authoritarian violence.
Yeah although the video footage of the robbery is a bit ropey (from helicopter) the police audio is around on youtube and that is quite something. That was in north hollywood in 1997, so two years after Heat.
@@kernelpickle they were a good team and had successfully taken several armoured trucks leading up to this one, apparently the truck was late and they decide funk it - we'll hit the bank which was probably their downfall because of the time difference. The one certainty is that a copy of HEAT was in their video player in the apartment.
I don't know much about the robberies impact on policing so can't comment. I do think policing has become almost military nowadays but that could be gangs or cartels etc, but like I said I don't really know. It's to be expected I suppose that the cops need to be better armed than the crooks but how they employ those weapons is what's causing concern. Be honest cops are killing people without using guns, first George Floyd and lately that Tyrell guy both by use of force, neither by firearm. Even a long time ago there were numerous deaths caused by using choke holds which got banned in every department. It's bad actors within the cops, most are doing their job as best they can, it's just a shame the damage the bad ones do, not only to yh cops but to the communities who feel they can't trust them or are unsafe engaging with them and they're supposed to protect the public first and foremost.
"At this level", as Mr. Gilles puts it, sets this crew apart.
Neil is engaged in his profession.
So is his crew, although the other team members know McCauley has the brains.
To one degree or another, either of these guys could've been quite successful on the straight-and-narrow.
For whatever reason though, as Michael Cerrito puts it, "For me, it's about the 'juice '".
Interestingly, both he and the others, like the same "edge" Vincent says he's got to be on to be sharp.
They're on the same razor, just different sides.
Just Anotha Chicago out fit "HIT" story tellin' by Hollywood 🎯
Smoking review soldier!
I could Honestly imagine Stephen in this Film, with Freddie Foreman and Vic Dark, :) could call it The Earner lol. Would be epic.
I feel like I'm watching Steve Jones of the Sex Pistols discussing bank robberies. I mean that respectfully
This film is actually a remake of Mann's 1989 TV version called L.A. Takedown. That was nowhere near as long and drawn out as this one though. Different actors too.
Your best one so far really enjoyed that .. would be interesting to see you review in the name of the father .. with the fact where you were born also been cat A .. thanks in advance
U were talking about the north Hollywood shootout. I watched that live. Was kinda like this
Excellent
The Bev Hills robbery happened after this film came out
The town should be your next one
That's an incredibly underrated movie and the guys it was based on are the real deal.
Yes the shea brothers from Charlestown they are still alive
You have a great taste in movies. I love your high standard vocabulary. You should review Layer Cake.
steve the job u were thinking of was the hollywood shootout and if i remember correctly the shootout lasted 45 mins.
In the military we call it bounding
Hi Stephen I would love to see what you think of some of the classics British crime films like The long good Friday and Get Carter. These videos are really interesting.
Oi guv'nor.... I want to hear about a bit of bird 🕊️ at the Old Bailey. That was my best attempt at a proper British gangster accent. Love the channel and the reviews. You tell good stories. Love the the States 🇺🇲
RIP Tom Sizemore.
I think an aspect of the film that adds to the realism is we see the personal lives of Vincent, Neil, Chris and Don. The characters are three dimensional. Neil and his whole crew are in love with good women, as is Vincent. In my opinion Don was the most tragic character. He agreed to be Neil's getaway driver, because his boss treated him like shit. There are a lot of guys doing crime who are like him.
He was a heart-breaking character, and so well-played. Thank goodness he got a job selling insurance after he died at the wheel.
@@dingfeldersmurfalot4560 You're trying too hard, bruh. I don't care what you say about anything. Good luck with your attention seeking. 👍
Face, which is proper underrated imo, and The Business please.
Hi Stephen. I was reading about the old guys that did the Hatten Garden Robbery a few years ago. I reckon they could have got away with that.
Subbed. (Were you in the army btw,?) FYE check French film called the crew./ braquerres, like modern French heat..solid!
I’d love to hear you talk about The Town, if you’ve not already
About the question of what changed, I think the weapons. My impression is that police and criminals are packing some serious heat nowadays. If I remember correctly police even stop employing MP5s because they were going up against AKs, M4s, AR15s and a lot of body armor. We see heists in the US, Brazil, South Africa, and some other countries with a lot of explosives, machine guns like .30 and .50 caliber, today every member of the most lousy crew is packing an assault rifle, that´s the norm, no more .38 and shotguns hahaha. I guess in the UK, where the gun control is very rigid (still is?), criminals dont have acess so easily to this kind of arsenal.
Wonderful review. I appreciate your breakdown of the various aspects of the film, especially the 1 ending and the robber using the child. Your take at the last question was also perfect. Even when you know it's criminal, we all sometimes find ourselves rooting for the "bad" guys a little bit. Keep living a good life, sir, and wonderful reviews.
An ex SAS soldier coordinated the shoot out scene
What was the downfall of the crew here and in real life criminals is that criminals associate with other criminals. Despite romantic notions, there is no honor among thieves. Their plan fell apart because they chose to associate with a scumbag who snitched them out. Criminals despite what the movies show you, are not generally that smart. If they were smart, they wouldn't choose this line of work in the first place.