Both aircraft are great aircraft, but as he said, different missions. I worked on the Tomcat for 4 years. Yes they required a lot of maintenance, but they do have to slam onto a moving, piching deck stopping in a very short distance. Also get yanked off the deck going 0 to 160 in 2.5 seconds. Lots of battles dealing with salt water, the very bad weather while sitting up on deck and the corrosion. Many countries bought the F-15 and gave it a great combat record. The Iranians bought the F-14A Tomcat and shot down over 150 Iraqi Migs with the Tomcat in the 80s during the Iran-Iraq war. What I witnes first hand daily was the Tomcat hitting the flight deck as the fuselage would flex a lot, no way the F-15 could do that. Over all, both are great aircraft and both have great pilots. Go Navy, Go Air Force. We are all a team and family no matter what uniform we wore.
Wow.The F-14 dominance,despite it's lack of engine thrust.I believe if it was upgraded,it could still dominate the skies.Not to be biased being an ex F-14 squadron mate.Although I do admire the F-15.Mc Donnell,and now Boeing have a great jet in the F-15.
With the F-15 on most occasion’s, under 15000ft I could out turn the Tomcat. However, above that altitude the F-14 had the edge. We only ever played against the Naval boys once a year from 89-96. Great memories.
I was an avionics technician in VF-74, F14 squadron. Been to Nellis many times. The AWG9 radar and aim54 missile system was way ahead of its time. When you're on a ship thousands of miles from anywhere, the capabilities to shoot down multiple targets before they get to the ship is important between superpower navies. With the USSR collapsing and future needs changing towards terrorism my bird was no longer needed. Upgrades where unnecessary because we already had the f18 platform to meet that need. Still, I loved being on the flightdeck watching them launch. Best years of my life.
Prior to joining the Navy I worked at Hugo printing. We printed all the PMS manuals for Grumman here in NY. The AWG 9 was definitely ahead of its time.
I was a cryptologist on a Spruance Class and we would use the F14s to train the CIWS. I absolutely loved standing out on the 01 level as the planes flew by. The noise was like nothing you've ever heard unless you've been in the military to hear it for yourself. They would fly so close that you could see the pilots in the cockpit--but you had to look fast. They would disappear over the horizon, and we'd watch the barrel of the CIWS and whichever way it pointed to we'd look and sure enough, there were the F14s coming back over tge horizon. Just 2 tiny gnats at such a distance but they weren't distant for very long. God, I miss those times.
F-14 enjoyed a lookdown shootdown track 24 shoot at 6 capability that wasn't matched for over a decade. Then once it started bombing it enjoyed similar advances in the mud moving business. the US Navy certainly got the most out of those airframes.
@@bruhhhhmoment4848 I worked at HAC with my wife- the F14 also had "Quiet radar", "Look down-Shoot Down", "Reply or Die", Fire and Forget" and "CMAS" systems. In short, the F14 could track and lock on targets without the targets knowing it- with the AIM Missile flying several thousand feet above the targets then diving down on top of them eliminating all radar jamming/flares/chaff defense systems; Once the heads-up display ID'd the targets they target's transponder must either show who they are or they are now ID's as "enemy"; Once launched, the AIM missile now is on it's own with it's own targeting system; and if the F14 flight crew were to become disabled- CMAS would "take over". Remember, the AWG9 system could track "Over 24 Targets" at 200+ miles out. The AIM 54C had a range of 200 miles (depending on flight altitude). In short- no, no other aircraft had those capabilities including range. The fuel capacity of the F14 also gave it more range than most any other aircraft in the world except bombers and surveillance aircraft.
A lot of people confuse the F-14 being photogenic with it actually being a good war fighter. It's Maverick syndrome. The fact that it was retired 20 years ago while every other 4th gen is still in production says it all.
I was an F-15 Crew Chief back in the 90's and it is, of course and for good reason, my favorite aircraft and is the most successful platform ever produced. That being said, the f-14 was an outstanding fighter and, to agree with your statement, is the coolest looking fighter ever produced. It just looks like a bird of prey!
The tomcat is so adored and loved that people won’t say that she’d lose but the people saying the tomcat would win know deep down they’re crazy for saying it! The eagle isn’t undefeated for no reason! I’m one of the people that don’t wanna say that the tomcat would lose but this battle would most likely end with yet another victory for eagle!
I like F-15. But In fact F-15c would not survive againts F-14D (or F-15A against F-14A ). It would not get change to get to dog fight with it because F-14 would detect it earlier with its more poweful radar and it would shot it down first with its long range AIM-54. Even if it would get near, F-15 has been documented to lose to the F-14 in the mock dogfight. You can read about it from FLIGHT International, 26 November 1977 issue.
The Eagles could outclimb Tomcats but the AWG-9 radar had no equal[at the time] and Tomcat could out turn it low and slow due the the swing wing.Quite a bit depends on the pilot and loadout.
@@georgejones-e6t AWG-9 in a F-14A and B and then AN/APG-71 in the F-14D where the most powerfull western radars untill F-22's AN/APG-77 entered to service 2005. Also the AIM-54 has a significantly longer range than AIM-120.
@@TomcatE303your logical is so flawed and the phoenix was meant for bombers unless the fighter had absolutely no idea that it was fired on it could easily dodge it
@@TomcatE303your bias is insane, the phoenix was not that good it was meant for slow bombers who could not dodge. And the f15 and f14 are extremely close in flight performance with the f15 being slightly better in the 1 circle and f14 in the 2 circle it would come down to the pilot, and the f14’s radar was more powerful but the f15’s radar was more advanced.
The video was enjoyable but contains some inaccuracies. The TF30 engines of the Tomcat was inferior to the F100 engines of the F-15. The F-15 engines produced greater thrust than the TF30 engines and did not suffer the performance issues of the TF30. The TF30 engines were originally produced for the F-111 which was a bomber and therefore the engines lacked the responsiveness and reliability of engines produced for fighters. That is why the TF30 was eventually replaced by the F110 engines.
The F-14 Tomcat is a bomber interceptor #1 and a fighter #2. To intercept missile carrying bomber anti-ship missiles before they can launch these missile at friendly ships. As a fighter to escort friendly attack aircraft over hostile airspace. The F-15 Eagle was designed as an air superior fighter 1st and a bomber interceptor fighter #2. The F-15 Eagle was designed as an air superiority fighter first, to hold large areas of airspace under its control, free of enemy fighters and an interceptor second, a subtle but distinctive difference.
If you ask the navy and its pilots, it was a fleet defense fighter, first and foremost. It was given a missile that allowed it to intercept but its concept was fighter first.
My wife and myself both worked for Hughes aircraft company who designed and built both the avionics and weapons systems for the f-14 and f-15. My dad was the engineer who designed the wings and control surfaces of the Phoenix missile and was later one of the lead engineers in development and testing of the aim 54c. My wife initially worked at Hughes Helicopter LHX, Notar and Apache, then went to Hughes Aircraft Company Radar Systems Group...her department was responsible for the manufacturing and performance analysis of the systems for the F14, F15, F16, F/A18, F18, B2 and APSAR programs. The Phoenix missile was originally designed by Hughes in 1958 for what was to be our very first high-altitude supersonic interceptor to be built by Lockheed. The final 5th prototype missile was delivered in 1965. The USAF was impressed as the missiles exceeded performance specs and were delivered 1 month ahead of schedule. By 1968 the USN picked up the missile program as they need to protect the carrier fleet and secondly be able to take out an entire USSR squadron which both the phoenix and falcon missiles were designed to do. The Phoenix was designed to carry either conventional or .25 kiloton nuclear warhead. The "A" version with analog computers had a proximity fuse where by 1968, high speed digital computers were now used.... Although the C version wasn't deployed until 1973 iirr. Over 150 tests were conducted against drone aircraft during the life of the program off the coast of the San Miguel islands in California. A single F14 could literally protect 2 percent of the entire pacific ocean....... The amraam was the next gen Phoenix and the new aim is on the horizon.
amazing sir. I absolute adore the f14 and his weapons. But a lot of people says, this missile only can use against heavy bombers and long range missiles, can u tell me if was a good missile to hit migs? thank you sir.
@nuhacetquinteroportero8556 although they were never designed for a point blank hit, they could easily take out a single aircraft....... In the proper environment. The Phoenix was a 200 mike range missile, the falcon a 100 mile range missile, sparrow and sidewinders were 25 and 50 Mike range missiles....all built by HAC also. The sidewinder and sparrow were and still are wicked missiles...each able to pull a 49+ g turn .... Which is why their control surfaces are locked for the first 1000 feet of flight so they do not inadvertently cross back into the launching aircraft. You also have to remember the initial F14 carried 6 Phoenix's..... That's 9000 pounds of missiles and their hangers......on an aircraft flying at mach 1.8 or so.....and those missiles were VERY expensive.
But that is a misreading of the situation at the time, and confusion that just because one was called "15" it was meant to replace "14". By your logic the F-15 wasn't good enough reason why it got immediately replaced because the F-16 was developed. Each division of the Armed Forces wanted their toy tailored to their needs. In fact the initial idea was to develop a single platform for all, but this proved at the time difficult and so each one got to have a say on what they wanted and needed out of their planes. The Navy got what it needed out of the F-14 program. The Air Force got what it needed out of the F-15 program.
@@patfer1189 The video is about the F14 vs F15 not about the F16. The F16 is developed with different requirements while the F15 was developed after the F14 with similar requirements.
@@gast128 It doesn't seem you comprehended my post since I merely used the F16 to make a point about the logic of your point. And yes, the 14 and 15 had "similar requirements" : they both had to be able to fly.
@@patfer1189 I repeat myself: the F-16 had nothing to do with the discussion: The F-16 was part of the Lightweight Fighter program which had vastly different requirements than F-14 and F-15. The video was about the F-14 being superior in every way which is suspicious and most probably incorrect. Further commenting is wasted energy if you state that 'the only similarity between F-14 and F-15 is that they are both airplanes'.
Both great aircraft. F-15 definitely my favorite. F-14 was great for it's time but it's main threat to carriers essentially went away and the Navy just wasn't willing to pay for such an expensive aircraft and maintenance hog. Maintenance down time means less aircraft ready and available. It's an understandable decision. Everything comes down to the bottom line. Both beasts of aircraft. Like the video said the main difference was the AIM-54 and the AIM-120. Love them both but they each had their time in the sun. F-15 won't be around forever either. Waiting on the new NGAD to take shape.
In fact Navy would have wanted to have more (at least 132) F-14D's but the political decision-makers did not. F-14 was "maintenence hog", but in return it outperformed Hornet and Super Hornet easily. There were some missions that only F-14 was able to make due its long combat range. Yes, F-15C will be retired 2026. And it if F-22 programm would have been realized as first planned they would have been gone a lot earlier.
+ even in F14A was aim120 tested and with software upgrade it was able to fire that, so aim120 wasnt clear advantage because tomcat could fire that too, not mentioning tomcat had always AG capabilities, F15 Didnt and of course F14s had datalink, f15 were rellying on awacs. and apg71 in tomcat D had many similiar parts with F15s pg70 radar and hud in tomcat D was similiar to hornet + those guys were teaching hornet guys.
To say the F-14 was superior to the F-15 because of its long range is disingenuous because for one the Phoenix missile was good against fighters unless they had no capability of being aware of the missile, the AIM-7 Sparrow on the F-15 was better. Secondly the F-14’s engines in the beginning were unreliable and gave the Tomcat a less thrust to weight ratio compared to the F-15. And third the F-15 did have long range BVR capability, it made its name in it, it’s just that the F-14 was better with its more powerful radar. In conclusion, the F-15 was better against fighters while the F-14 was better at taking down bombers and high altitude, high speed interceptors and reconnaissance platforms like the MiG-25. This is not to say that the F-14 wasn’t a good dogfighter.
If anyone is babbling "disingenuous" goo, it's you. As anyone truly familiar with the TF-30 fiasco knows, it was ANOTHER disingenuous sort by the name Dick Cheney who enforced the P&W contract upon the US Navy and Grumman, neither of which wanted anything to do with the 'flat and level' Air Force oriented F-111 engine development criteria; the Navy and Grumman knew better but got temporary overruled by a politician who notoriously dropped-out of college....a proverbial high schooler. But let's get to some more of YOUR disingenuous goo....as is ALSO well known, the reason for the "unreliable" as you disingenuously label it, was precisely because of the 'flat and level' issue . . . those P&Ws were NEVER MEANT TO BE IN A FIGHTER THAT IS ON RECORD OF SUSTAINING AN INCREDIBLE 11.5 Gs IN COMBAT !! (Yes, you read that correctly, and I welcome a challenge.). That is to say.......the "unreliable" slander had nothing to do INTRINSICALLY with the F-14 (as you ostensibly assert), and everything to do with political crap. On honest post would have included the fact the engine core for the original F-14 and later the F-15 was the same: the P&W F-100. But this really confirms not just your bias, but your deep ignorance, quote, "In conclusion, the F-15 was better against fighters while the F-14 was better at taking down bombers and high altitude, high speed interceptors and reconnaissance platforms like the MiG-25. " Laughable. Try telling that garbage to the receiving end of the F-14As (yes....with those "unreliable" TF-30s) . . . the receiving end? Over 180 kills by the Persians (Iranians) versus the Iraqis. But don't be so naive as to expect that we'll get the whole truth from . . . *the American side of this history* . . . since the fall of the Shah remains . . . once again, a political priority. In any case Col. Fereidoun Ali-Mazandarani would like to have a word with you....search RUclips for Combat aircraft pilot: Interview with sixteen kill Grumman F-14 Tomcat ace I could go on.....but let's go here......try landing and taking off from a flat top with your land-lubber smooth asphalt runway lovin F-15....it'll break in half. *And oh, before we let you get away with another disingenuous comment .... that October 1977 shoot out over Nellis AFB between the Tomcat and the Eagle.......what engines were in the F-14? Just askin.*
The F14 also used the sparrow, it still had a more powerful longer range radar. Comparing the old F14 vs the F14D is really disingenuous. Consider the F14 could maintain a similar turn rate, and in BVR it ate the F15. Airforce learned this back in the day when they decided to test the F15 vs the F14 and the F15 lost miserably in BVR, and after that, airforce then said they will only go against it WVR.
well thats the difference between fighters and interceptors. Its like comparing a p47 to a p51. Both were amazing and in the final days of the war the p47 had the range to reach berlin but the p47 was designed to be an all out armored tank in the sky for fighting enemy fighters. The P51 was designed to basically escort bombers with the ability of a fighter. It did not take the damage as well as the p47 either.
So when 2 F-14s went up against 2 F-15s, with both F-15s being "shot down" and the gun cameras showing both cannon "kills," including the F-14 of Hoser locked on with the piper on the F-15's pilot, gun selected and master arm on...that's the F-15 being better? Interesting take...
You say of the F-15, "It had a good combat record." Uhhh... what would an EXCELLENT or SUPERB or FLAWLESS combat record look like? If ever there was a time to employ hyperbolic adjectives, it's when referring to the F-15! And, BTW, I am SICK of these robot-narrated videos. Sorry, but this channel lacks credibility on multiple fronts.
That is an incorrect conclusion. Politics play a much bigger factor than actual Aircraft performance. The F-14 frame provides much more capabilities than the F15. If the F-14 had gotten the updates in technology it would have been way ahead of the F-15 till this day. The F-15 managed to surpass the F-14 only after decades of upgrades and even then it was still close. The only thing that made the F-15 better was that it was much cheaper.
The F-14 lived an extremely hard life and was never meant to last as long as the 15. Taking off and landing on a carrier, coupled with the harsh environment of salt water takes a much greater toll on the 14.
@@Karadjanovf-14s are never designed to be air superiority fighter like the F-15A-D, nor it was designed for Multirole Fighter, like the F-15E, it's main purpose is intercepting Soviet bombers, or Libyan bombers thats threatening U.S. Carriers, not to mention it's whole faulty development and issues, not to mention it's terrible energy retention, plus it has worse TWR than majority of the Teen Series anyways
Bias?? Toward the F-14 (in this video)?? Maybe you should get your ears checked. This garbage report is an apologists rant in favor of the F-15 . . . and it STILL falls short.
This debate was already settled long ago. An f-14 pilot named "Hoser" took on an F-15 In a dogfight training exercise and won with a gun kill right on the cockpit. The two pilots had been arguing about who had the better plane before they went on the exercise and decided to finally settle it. Look it up.
That was only one exercise! In what condition was the simulated combat mission flown? What was the flight hour difference between the pilots? In reality it will depend great on these conditions. The F14 could strike from a much further range with its fire and forget phoenix but it was known not to be 100% accurate. Did the simulation automatically assume a weapons lock was a kill? Both fighters have the ability to evade! The Tomcat is going to be more agile at one altitude whereas the F15 will have the advantage another. In a turning game the F15 would be victorious due to its power to weight ratio. Basically what I’m saying with the two aircraft it could easily go either way and one simulation doesn’t prove anything. In another training scenario an instructor in an F-4 Phantom repeatedly beat F-14’s. This is coming from someone who loves both aircraft and but has family who served in the Air Force during WW2 and the Korean War. However the F-14 is still my all-time favorite fighter jet and that has absolutely nothing to do with the Top Gun movie. I had posters of the F-14 hanging in the walls in my bedroom before the movie was ever released.
Navy Pilots rules!,….”it’s not the plane, it’s the pilot”…you said it @11:19, Navy pilots tended to be more daring and quality pilots than the Air Force pilots…..Navy win ratio during the exercises 25:1.
@@airforcex9412 the F14 when on scene, the badguys would turn away and run. No one wanted to challenge the F14 with the AWG-9 / AIM-54 missile system. There was nothing even close for DECADES.
F14a already beat F15a even during Aceval/Aimval in both BFM & BVR (w/ no aim54 phoenix allowed). But by the defense budget's cut for Grumman, the development of F14 was slowed down & stopped pretty early of its life, prompting the Grumman to find foreign customer (Iran) so they have (limited) funds for its development. But even those weren't enough, since DoD want to remove all Grumman's product from carrier operation. Considering how they had performed in their early variant, a matured of advance Tomcat surely will have much better performance than the Eagle. In the other side F15'r continuously upgraded & developed into a powerful war machine.
@@thunderboltcougar5626 yeah if it wasn't for those contracts and everything that ended the production of the f-14, it would catch up to the eagle but rn the f-15 is still one of the best fighters today
You’re assuming that the F-15 couldn’t get those same upgrades. The F-14 was extremely unreliable. All things being equal, the F-15 was THE air superiority fighter.
Realistically, the F-15 is better due to it being a more modern design and doesnt need to be built for carrier operation. Better thrust to weight, new models got better radar, it got more budget for development and upgrades. However, the F-14 was ahead of the curve during it's time. An excellent platform that could have been developed further but lack the funding. That being said if i can own and operate a real life example for free, i'll be choosing the tomcat. It is such a beautiful aircraft that im still inlove with the jet.
@@georgejones-e6t The Tomcat couldn't track the F-22, if the Eurofighter Typhoon couldn't. Stop holding on to antiquated dreams, as in that Top Gun 2 sequel. They scrapped the F-14 because it wasn't worth the resources.
The exterior design plays a role in the shape of the wings, the fuselage, the cockpit, and the air intakes to the engines. The agility and all the advanced electronic devices win.
Finally somebody got it right with these fighter jets. Just like are special forces they have different jobs or missions in every military branch to carry out.
Both F-14 & F-15 are great planes, but I chose F-15. Although if the F-21 were around it might beat the F-15 as it is an improved F-14D with more powerful engines.
According to every tomcat pilot that I have seen interviewed, the number one misconception about the aircraft is that it was built as an interceptor. It was built as an air superiority aircraft first it replaced the phantom it absolutely was designed for dog, fighting, and air, superiority and fleet the fence as well. That’s why it was a more flexible aircraft than the eagle and did not require different variance to accomplish strike, and other missions. To start out a video with such an egregious error boards poorly for the rest of it. You can listen to Northrop Grumman engineers and read the original VFX requirements and if you do so you will come away understanding that it is not an interceptor. Interceptors do not have, dogfighting features such as slats, flaps, dogfight, radar mode, a canon, etc.
The F-14 with the upgrade would have come out on top. The clime rate with and engine upgrade would have been better do to its better airfare. As for fighting, if the 120 sparrow missile was installed it would have matched the F-15. Radar was better in the F-14 was already better but if upgrades would have been crazy. The F-15 is a little better in handing, but the speed with the upgrade on the F-14 engines should have made that an even match. The biggest part of putting the F-14 on top would be the radar operator, two heads are always better then one.
Most of the comments haven't watched the video before commenting or somehow it didn't register. What most are saying doesn't add up at all. Thanks for the video. Appreciate the education.
What’s hilarious about anybody claiming the tomcat was not air superiority is that for the first 12 years when the eagle and tomcat existed concurrently the tomcat was the one with the bigger radar and the only BVR weapon the Eagle did not get aamram for over a decade of its beginnings and would’ve been seen before the tomcat and shot it before they even knew they were in a dogfight with a Tomcat. And when the aim 120 came along, it took multiple upgrades before it exceeded the capabilities of the Phoenix and there are still various metrics in which the Phoenix always exceeded the 120 even today
@@bruhhhhmoment4848 Simply not true..... the 54A version was analog and carried a proximity fuse whereas the 54C was digital and detonation was "decided" by the on-board computer. It (along with the Falcon AIM 47) was designed to carry either a conventional or .25 kiloton nuclear warhead. It was never programed for a "Direct Hit" but to detonate destroying an entire squadron- so a single aircraft, no biggie. Direct hit missiles- AIM 7, 9- yes, they were all close range single aircraft direct/single target missiles.
The US defense relies on Chinese-American scientists, researchers and engineers to make advanced weapons. Chinese-Americans vs Chinese. The Mars landing is another contest between Chinese-Americans and Chinese. "I am not exaggerating when I say that entry, descent and landing are the most critical and dangerous parts of the mission," said Allen Chen, a Chinese-American who is in charge of the process at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (Perseverance), during a press conference before the landing. "Success is never guaranteed." Chinese-American Lin Hua (US Minuteman 3 ICBM with a range of 13,000 kilometers) vs Chinese Liang Sili (China's DF-41 ICBM with a range of 15,000 kilometers). In 1964, he was hired by American Grumman Aircraft Company as the director of the design department. Under the leadership of Lu Heshen, he developed a variety of aircraft carriers, including the F-14 Tomcat, F-111B Sea Pig, C-2 Greyhound transport aircraft, and E-2 Hawkeye early warning aircraft. If the Chinese American Lu Heshen had not designed the F-14 Tomcat, Americans would not have Top Gun. The US B-1B strategic bomber is a super-lengthened and enhanced version of the F-111B fighter/bomber.
This is definitely an F-14 propaganda video. The Tomcat did have better BVR range than the Eagle but in an old school dog fight the Eagle is the superior. This is the reason the F-15 was developed. Current warfare does not require many up close and personal dog fights but if it were needed.. the Eagle wins. Sorry Navy go Air Force.. In the end... both are great, just Eagle greater. lol
"This is definitely an F-14 propaganda video." Maybe you should get your ears checked bozo-boy. This is ANYTHING BUT an "F-14 propaganda video." It's an F-15 apologists film.......but now we're waaaaaaay over your ignorant skull.
Apples and oranges, to an extent. The Eagles could not be used for the Gulf of Sidra for example. But there are many advantages for either one. Thank goodness we had both.
Once the F-14 got the GE motors, it was a much closer WVR fight. They could now play in the vertical, and stay in the fight a lot longer (the F-110 was more fuel efficient vs. the TF-30's). Ironically the F-15EX is now powered by F-110's as well, the F-110 GE -129. The US Navy retired its last F-14 in 2006, which leaves Iran as the sole F-14 operator. It's the original F-14A though, with inferior TF-30 engines, AWG-9 radar and other dated weapons systems. Nevertheless, it's the man in the cockpit that usually determines who lives or dies...
I worked on the f-14 as a structural design engineer for a few years in the 1980s. It is a GREAT aircraft. The f15 has a different mission. Others have accurately described the mission and environment of the f14, but the f15 is supercool….it shot down a satellite! I would not like to face either of them as an enemy.
Я помню этот эксперимент со спутником. Это произошло где-то в 1884-85 годах. Когда при помощи противоспутниковой ракеты F-15 осуществил эту миссию. Это было впервые.
The Phoenix, with great range, is essentially worthless for fighters. Intended for bombers. The F-15 is superior for air to air with ANY aircraft of the 70s, 80s and 90s….well into the 2000s.
Yeah, because it would be an F14 in name only, much like the A10/P47, although the P47 was a pretty good fighter/bomber, which cannot be said for the A10. Where they're similar is in their ability as ground attack aircraft and to absorb tremendous battle damage and make it home.
The F-14 became the most expensive aircraft to operate in the Navy inventory, requiring 40 to 60 maintenance manhours per flight hour. For comparison, the F-18 Hornet requires only 20 hours of maintenance and the latest F-18E/F Super Hornet requires just 10 to 15 hours. A Super Hornet costs about $17,000 per flight hour to operate. Using these two pieces of information we can estimate the running costs of the F-14 to be somewhere between $35,000 and $40,000 per flight hour. No matter the upgrades, it’s still a swing wing, heavy, lots of panels for maintenance access, in a saltwater environment.
Personally I think both jets are and were badass They played different positions in the same game Like a point guard and a shooting guard Both have different skill sets with some overlap but the only way to win is good play from both
Yeah one but doing that to all the tomcats would have been incredible expensive when they could just get the f18 which was more reliable, advanced, and cheaper to buy and maintain
@@bruhhhhmoment4848 F-14D can carry 6 AIM-54 Fox 3s F/A-18E can carry up to 12 AIM-120, which are more reliable against fighters, especially modern ones Also Tomcat's outdated variable wings will not have that many Pylons like F/A-18E/F and F-15E These tomcat glazers are stupid
Yes yes yes perhaps at their release date the F-14 was superior BUT later versions of the F-15 were vicious. Simple truth is the F-14s just didn't have that many air-air engagements, records do speak volumes 104-0 kill to loss ratio says it ALL. Both were phenomenal planes though!
Yes they finally put the engine that was in the later F-15 into the F-14 and gave it some actual acceleration. Up until then you had to coax and F-14 into your field of battle and get them to come below their best altitude and speed in order to outmaneuver them. The F-14 could not out maneuver an F-15. I've worked on the F-14 a few times in the Air Force because frequently those planes would come to my air base. These things only had about a 50% reliability rate. The Pratt & Whitney F-100 engine that was originally in the F-15 the f-111f model and the F-16 was eventually replaced by the GE f110. Parsley because of the propensity for the third stage compressor section to fail on the F100 engine. I have seen that failure on a damaged aircraft in the f-111f model though but when that happens in an F-16 you have to punch out of the plane because that plane only Glides at over 300 mph and you better be close to to a Runway to survive and save the aircraft. I don't know where you got your assumptions about which one was more capable because they both had equal capability depending on which systems were added to the aircraft. And those were conscious decisions based on their role given that the F-15 has actually been in combat far more times than the 14 has it's hard to state which one would clearly win a dog fight between the two. However it is known that when they work against each other that the F-14 put occasionally went out over the f-15. When it came to the F-16 they both we're almost feckless at trying to stop the F-16 the F-16 was so vastly Superior in its capability that they didn't even want to engage them
It's just politics. Once Boeing bought McDonnell-Douglas and took over production of the F-15, and all variants, as well as the F/A-18, and all variants, they could start to manipulate both the Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps. In the mid-80s, most of the aircraft sitting on a carrier's decks were made by Grumman. There were almost always a couple of aircraft types made by other companies, such as Vought, Lockheed, and McDonnell-Douglas. With the Hawkeyes, Greyhounds, Intruders, Prowlers, and Tomcats, Grumman pretty much created the whe Air Wing, other than the helicopters. These days, the decks of U.S. aircraft carriers are covered with aircraft made by Boeing, except for the E-2, C-2, and the helicopters. DICK Cheney drove the nail into the coffin of the F-14. The retirement of the F-14 has left a gaping hole in the ability of a carrier strike group to defend itself. This hole won't be filled until after a U.S. aircraft carrier is sunk or severely damaged by current adversaries. Only then will the top brass be screaming for an F-14 again.
The F-14 was an interceptor first of all, fighter secondly. The F-18 with AMRAMS, 9Xs, and the gigantic amount of ship-based anti-air defense in a carrier group is plenty. Subs are a bigger threats to carrier groups still. The F-14 was retired because it was an expensive bitch to maintain. For 1 flight hour an F-14 needed about 40-60 man-hours of work done. In comparison the Super Hornet averages 15 man hours. The only thing off the top of my head that is substantial worse is the F-111 at 80 man hours per flight hour. Guess what was the major issue, swing wings. There’s a reason you don’t see swept wing designs anymore.
The fact that today, five decades after the start of the flight of these two successful fighters, the discussion of comparing these two fighters is still so attractive and fascinating should make the lovers of flying especially these fighters happy, and I think most of the F-14 Tomcat lovers. Because the Tomcat has been retired from the US Armed Forces since 2006, the Eagles still have to prove their ability to be superior to the Tomcats. it is interesting.
0:17 That's not the YF-17, that's the F-5E, which is, in some way, the predecessor of YF-17 because YF-17 was based on the F-5, but it wasn't developed from it
Very interesting for sure. I had always considered the F-15 better then most other fighter planes. The F-15 and The F-18 were both originally McDonnel Douglas planes. Imagine if what we know as the F-16's and F-18's were the oppisite. Now since the (J)oint (S)trike (F)ighter program we have the 3 versions of the F-35 ; F-35'A USAF model , F-35B US Marines and F-35C US Navy. Also the F-35's are sold to and co-developed with our Nato Allies. Both the F-14's and F-15's had a very hard time trying to detect and track the SR-71's even when the SR-71's were " dumbed down " so that the pilots for both branches could try to intercept the SR-71's but both sets of pilots had difiiculties in doing that.
not really, the avionic systems were both designed and built at the same time by Hughes Aircraft Company with the F15 being of a slightly newer design. The F14's age plus being carrier based really induced the "extra maintenance" just from the "abuse" it received and wear and tear. All the electronics were compartmentalized where the "Techs" could literally just unplug any of the "boxes" (which were large) and slide the box needing attention out and the replacement in in a matter of a few minutes- the F15, FA18, etc. are all the same way. So the avionics can be checked, tested, repaired on board the ship while the aircraft is airborne doing it's job.
For those who are looking for a real result of the competition of these two fighter planes; Reviewing them and seeing them again 1- McDonnell/Air Force Eagle F-15 and Grumman/Navy Tomcat F-14 competition was held on July 26, 1973 at Andrews, US Air Force Base, for the Shah of Iran. With the presence of the highest officials of "DoD" and defense committees of the United States Congress and officials of two manufacturing companies and representatives of the US Air Force Department as well as the US Navy Department. The superiority of the Tom Cat show in that flight piloted by Dan Evans and RIO Dennis Romano over the Eagle F-15 was evident to all present. The second competition is again at another US Air Force base, Nellis, for a week in the form of a scenario: one defender against two attackers. Two defenders against two attackers. Eagles from Nellis and Tomcats from "Miramar" battles were planned as "dog fights".
Obviously the F14 was a superior aircraft with better weapon’s and adaptability of better systems was a plus. It’s capable of landing on ships and land its versatility has its advantages. But we keep the weaker ones and remove the stronger systems. I say we should keep planes like A/10 and any other systems that seems to be on the chopping block. I say keep them all and work them together. We are possibly going to need each one.
I'm a Top Gun movie fan and because of this I like the F14. I wonder about the use of a RIO and I feel if Iran didnt have the F14, then it might not have been phased out.
Iran having or not having the F-14 had nothing to do with its retirement timing. It did affect the actual physical f-14 retirement and exactly how the airframes were demilitarized.
Iran has nothing to do with it being phased out only with them being destroyed so Iran couldn’t take their parts. And the RIO operated the radar and weapon system while the pilot flies the plane
@@bruhhhhmoment4848 That is the official statement. But think about it. The main plane of the Navy, USMC, Air Force starting from the 70's are the F-14, F-18, F-16, F-15. The only plane officially retired and not flying is the F-14. There is a F-18 Super Hornet, a F-15 EX, and the F-16 block 70 all upgraded versions.
From what I understand, the F-15 is not a very good dog fighter, mainly just a high-speed missile truck. The idea of the F-14 swing wings was to give you a good dog fighter that could also hit high speeds. I think because of the high maintenance costs and risking 2 people, it was decided to just focus on the F-15 instead of updating the F-14. I would have loved to have seen a Super Tomcat at some point. With lighter materials modern electronics it would be on par with any other 4.5 gen fighter. Only so much room in the budget. If it was my call, I probably would have focused on the F-15 as well.
In reality both were used as missiles trucks both being able to take 8 missiles. Both are pretty good dogfighters actually have very similar performance in 1 and 2 circle. It would really come down to the pilot although the f14 was harder to fly with the many issues it had
Exactly. Lots of blowhard ignoramuses on this thread. Unfortunately, that's all too common when the comments come almost entirely from people who will never even get close the any these aircraft, except in their fantasies.
F-14 have been built for NAVY had too many compromises to make it aircraft worthy. F-15 was the US supreme air dominance pure AIR FORCE and no compromises.
That depends upon what you are selling to your enemies? Can the F14 still hold its own against enemy aircraft of today with that hulking airframe? That's the question and I think it was retired for a reason.
I would love to see the F14 tomcat Come back as a gen 6 fighter... new radar, stealth ,engines and weaponry..... plus tough enough to land on an aircraft carrier!!...... I wouldn't mind paying taxes for that!!
@@lesfaust9634 not with how many extra surfaces and planes gaps there would be. Plus good look making a stealthy wing design that still has good areodynamics that has to work is two different positions.
Seems like comparing a battle rifle to an assault rifle. The one I choose depends on the range of the enemy but they can generally overlap a lot with their capabilities.
Yes F14 is the greatest model It has to be upgraded with new composite materials frame structure & engines and avionics & arsenal that can be still the leader in the world
Two different aircraft two different missions. Tomcat is kinda bigger than the F15, and the first gen 14 was lacking in the engine department. My grandfather was a chief at Eglin AFB in the 1990’s and 1997 we got on base for a 4 of July celebration, and one of their own F15’s went to the sky to give everyone a show and boy did he. He pointed the nose up, flames were about 6 times as long as the airplane itself and it shot straight up out of sight
with updated engines, electronic package upgrades, and missiles upgrades the tomcat would be so much better, or if Northrop Grumman stood by the plane they could have made a super tomcat....
There were tests done when the Tomcat first began service. Its performance was determined to be "marginally better than the F-4." To claim that its performance was even slightly on par with an F-15 is laughable... By the way, the Phoenix missile was not effective against fighters, it was for non-maneuvering targets - ie. bombers, cruise missiles etc.
The F15 had a significantly better top speed and manuverability WVR. A 14 pilot told me that they used to have mock dogfights vs the nearby airforce F15s. He said they almost always lost. When the F14 engines were upgraded he said they had a much better chance. The F14 was an overpriced, one trick pony Russian bomber interceptor and in no way a dogfighter as depicted in the Top Gun movie where you can see it being out manuvered by A4s Skyhawks and F5 Es.
Its not a fight between both great fighters. The f18 was just way cheaper and did almost everything the f14 did. Iran has this jet and the US doesn't want any replacement parts to fall in Iran's possession
Both aircraft are great aircraft, but as he said, different missions. I worked on the Tomcat for 4 years. Yes they required a lot of maintenance, but they do have to slam onto a moving, piching deck stopping in a very short distance. Also get yanked off the deck going 0 to 160 in 2.5 seconds. Lots of battles dealing with salt water, the very bad weather while sitting up on deck and the corrosion. Many countries bought the F-15 and gave it a great combat record. The Iranians bought the F-14A Tomcat and shot down over 150 Iraqi Migs with the Tomcat in the 80s during the Iran-Iraq war. What I witnes first hand daily was the Tomcat hitting the flight deck as the fuselage would flex a lot, no way the F-15 could do that. Over all, both are great aircraft and both have great pilots. Go Navy, Go Air Force. We are all a team and family no matter what uniform we wore.
Wow.The F-14 dominance,despite it's lack of engine thrust.I believe if it was upgraded,it could still dominate the skies.Not to be biased being an ex F-14 squadron mate.Although I do admire the F-15.Mc Donnell,and now Boeing have a great jet in the F-15.
With the F-15 on most occasion’s, under 15000ft I could out turn the Tomcat. However, above that altitude the F-14 had the edge. We only ever played against the Naval boys once a year from 89-96. Great memories.
@ColonelJohnmatrix1000 why did the F14 have the edge at higher altitude?
" F-14A Tomcat and shot down over 150 Iraqi Migs". I'd LOVE to see where you got that information.
@@drumguy1960 Iranian Air Force
I was an avionics technician in VF-74, F14 squadron. Been to Nellis many times. The AWG9 radar and aim54 missile system was way ahead of its time. When you're on a ship thousands of miles from anywhere, the capabilities to shoot down multiple targets before they get to the ship is important between superpower navies. With the USSR collapsing and future needs changing towards terrorism my bird was no longer needed. Upgrades where unnecessary because we already had the f18 platform to meet that need.
Still, I loved being on the flightdeck watching them launch. Best years of my life.
I was an AT from an F14 Fighter Sqadron based on the Enterprise in the 80's also. I loved it too.
Thank you for your insights
Prior to joining the Navy I worked at Hugo printing. We printed all the PMS manuals for Grumman here in NY. The AWG 9 was definitely ahead of its time.
I was a cryptologist on a Spruance Class and we would use the F14s to train the CIWS. I absolutely loved standing out on the 01 level as the planes flew by. The noise was like nothing you've ever heard unless you've been in the military to hear it for yourself. They would fly so close that you could see the pilots in the cockpit--but you had to look fast. They would disappear over the horizon, and we'd watch the barrel of the CIWS and whichever way it pointed to we'd look and sure enough, there were the F14s coming back over tge horizon. Just 2 tiny gnats at such a distance but they weren't distant for very long. God, I miss those times.
F-14 enjoyed a lookdown shootdown track 24 shoot at 6 capability that wasn't matched for over a decade. Then once it started bombing it enjoyed similar advances in the mud moving business. the US Navy certainly got the most out of those airframes.
F-14 had the best radar till the F-22 entered the service 2005.
The 14 had the awg9 and awg15 weapons system it couldn't be touched back then by any fighter.
@@TomcatE303you can’t actually believe that
@@bruhhhhmoment4848It is not about believing it is a fact.
@@bruhhhhmoment4848 I worked at HAC with my wife- the F14 also had "Quiet radar", "Look down-Shoot Down", "Reply or Die", Fire and Forget" and "CMAS" systems. In short, the F14 could track and lock on targets without the targets knowing it- with the AIM Missile flying several thousand feet above the targets then diving down on top of them eliminating all radar jamming/flares/chaff defense systems; Once the heads-up display ID'd the targets they target's transponder must either show who they are or they are now ID's as "enemy"; Once launched, the AIM missile now is on it's own with it's own targeting system; and if the F14 flight crew were to become disabled- CMAS would "take over". Remember, the AWG9 system could track "Over 24 Targets" at 200+ miles out. The AIM 54C had a range of 200 miles (depending on flight altitude). In short- no, no other aircraft had those capabilities including range. The fuel capacity of the F14 also gave it more range than most any other aircraft in the world except bombers and surveillance aircraft.
But to me. F-14 is the most beautiful fighter aircraft ever built
Jet. I still can't get past the P51 D😊
A lot of people confuse the F-14 being photogenic with it actually being a good war fighter. It's Maverick syndrome. The fact that it was retired 20 years ago while every other 4th gen is still in production says it all.
I was an F-15 Crew Chief back in the 90's and it is, of course and for good reason, my favorite aircraft and is the most successful platform ever produced. That being said, the f-14 was an outstanding fighter and, to agree with your statement, is the coolest looking fighter ever produced. It just looks like a bird of prey!
14 and 15 are definitely the best looking US jets. Soviets build some very aesthetic craft too.
The tomcat is so adored and loved that people won’t say that she’d lose but the people saying the tomcat would win know deep down they’re crazy for saying it! The eagle isn’t undefeated for no reason! I’m one of the people that don’t wanna say that the tomcat would lose but this battle would most likely end with yet another victory for eagle!
I like F-15. But In fact F-15c would not survive againts F-14D (or F-15A against F-14A ). It would not get change to get to dog fight with it because F-14 would detect it earlier with its more poweful radar and it would shot it down first with its long range AIM-54. Even if it would get near, F-15 has been documented to lose to the F-14 in the mock dogfight. You can read about it from FLIGHT International, 26 November 1977 issue.
The Eagles could outclimb Tomcats but the AWG-9 radar had no equal[at the time] and Tomcat could out turn it low and slow due the the swing wing.Quite a bit depends on the pilot and loadout.
@@georgejones-e6t AWG-9 in a F-14A and B and then AN/APG-71 in the F-14D where the most powerfull western radars untill F-22's AN/APG-77 entered to service 2005. Also the AIM-54 has a significantly longer range than AIM-120.
@@TomcatE303your logical is so flawed and the phoenix was meant for bombers unless the fighter had absolutely no idea that it was fired on it could easily dodge it
@@TomcatE303your bias is insane, the phoenix was not that good it was meant for slow bombers who could not dodge. And the f15 and f14 are extremely close in flight performance with the f15 being slightly better in the 1 circle and f14 in the 2 circle it would come down to the pilot, and the f14’s radar was more powerful but the f15’s radar was more advanced.
tomcat is the v12 lamborghini of thesky and always will be.... JUST LOOK AT IT!!!❤❤❤❤
Agree. The F-15 is the Ferrari Enzo, though.
I agree with both comments. Been geeking at both of them for 40 yrs and still can't get enough.
The video was enjoyable but contains some inaccuracies. The TF30 engines of the Tomcat was inferior to the F100 engines of the F-15. The F-15 engines produced greater thrust than the TF30 engines and did not suffer the performance issues of the TF30. The TF30 engines were originally produced for the F-111 which was a bomber and therefore the engines lacked the responsiveness and reliability of engines produced for fighters. That is why the TF30 was eventually replaced by the F110 engines.
That's what I thought it said.
The F-14 Tomcat is a bomber interceptor #1 and a fighter #2. To intercept missile carrying bomber anti-ship missiles before they can launch these missile at friendly ships. As a fighter to escort friendly attack aircraft over hostile airspace.
The F-15 Eagle was designed as an air superior fighter 1st and a bomber interceptor fighter #2. The F-15 Eagle was designed as an air superiority fighter first, to hold large areas of airspace under its control, free of enemy fighters and an interceptor second, a subtle but distinctive difference.
Touche' (smile)
If you ask the navy and its pilots, it was a fleet defense fighter, first and foremost. It was given a missile that allowed it to intercept but its concept was fighter first.
If they would of made the upgraded f14 it still would of dominated.
Bot true. It's maneuverability lacked even with the latest tech with 200mill/unit price.
Just upgrade the engines with the rest of the plane...
Not these days
@@frankh.5378 ruclips.net/video/We1T-FxY9Bs/видео.html
We were robbed of a “Super” TomCat
My wife and myself both worked for Hughes aircraft company who designed and built both the avionics and weapons systems for the f-14 and f-15. My dad was the engineer who designed the wings and control surfaces of the Phoenix missile and was later one of the lead engineers in development and testing of the aim 54c. My wife initially worked at Hughes Helicopter LHX, Notar and Apache, then went to Hughes Aircraft Company Radar Systems Group...her department was responsible for the manufacturing and performance analysis of the systems for the F14, F15, F16, F/A18, F18, B2 and APSAR programs.
The Phoenix missile was originally designed by Hughes in 1958 for what was to be our very first high-altitude supersonic interceptor to be built by Lockheed. The final 5th prototype missile was delivered in 1965. The USAF was impressed as the missiles exceeded performance specs and were delivered 1 month ahead of schedule. By 1968 the USN picked up the missile program as they need to protect the carrier fleet and secondly be able to take out an entire USSR squadron which both the phoenix and falcon missiles were designed to do. The Phoenix was designed to carry either conventional or .25 kiloton nuclear warhead. The "A" version with analog computers had a proximity fuse where by 1968, high speed digital computers were now used.... Although the C version wasn't deployed until 1973 iirr. Over 150 tests were conducted against drone aircraft during the life of the program off the coast of the San Miguel islands in California. A single F14 could literally protect 2 percent of the entire pacific ocean....... The amraam was the next gen Phoenix and the new aim is on the horizon.
amazing sir. I absolute adore the f14 and his weapons. But a lot of people says, this missile only can use against heavy bombers and long range missiles, can u tell me if was a good missile to hit migs? thank you sir.
@nuhacetquinteroportero8556 although they were never designed for a point blank hit, they could easily take out a single aircraft....... In the proper environment. The Phoenix was a 200 mike range missile, the falcon a 100 mile range missile, sparrow and sidewinders were 25 and 50 Mike range missiles....all built by HAC also. The sidewinder and sparrow were and still are wicked missiles...each able to pull a 49+ g turn .... Which is why their control surfaces are locked for the first 1000 feet of flight so they do not inadvertently cross back into the launching aircraft.
You also have to remember the initial F14 carried 6 Phoenix's..... That's 9000 pounds of missiles and their hangers......on an aircraft flying at mach 1.8 or so.....and those missiles were VERY expensive.
Not sure about this video. If the F-14 would have outperformed the F-15 in every aspect the latter wouldn't have been developed in the first place.
But that is a misreading of the situation at the time, and confusion that just because one was called "15" it was meant to replace "14". By your logic the F-15 wasn't good enough reason why it got immediately replaced because the F-16 was developed.
Each division of the Armed Forces wanted their toy tailored to their needs. In fact the initial idea was to develop a single platform for all, but this proved at the time difficult and so each one got to have a say on what they wanted and needed out of their planes. The Navy got what it needed out of the F-14 program. The Air Force got what it needed out of the F-15 program.
@@patfer1189 The video is about the F14 vs F15 not about the F16. The F16 is developed with different requirements while the F15 was developed after the F14 with similar requirements.
@@gast128 It doesn't seem you comprehended my post since I merely used the F16 to make a point about the logic of your point. And yes, the 14 and 15 had "similar requirements" : they both had to be able to fly.
@@patfer1189 I repeat myself: the F-16 had nothing to do with the discussion: The F-16 was part of the Lightweight Fighter program which had vastly different requirements than F-14 and F-15. The video was about the F-14 being superior in every way which is suspicious and most probably incorrect. Further commenting is wasted energy if you state that 'the only similarity between F-14 and F-15 is that they are both airplanes'.
@@patfer1189the logic in your post is non-existent.
Both great aircraft. F-15 definitely my favorite. F-14 was great for it's time but it's main threat to carriers essentially went away and the Navy just wasn't willing to pay for such an expensive aircraft and maintenance hog. Maintenance down time means less aircraft ready and available. It's an understandable decision. Everything comes down to the bottom line. Both beasts of aircraft. Like the video said the main difference was the AIM-54 and the AIM-120. Love them both but they each had their time in the sun. F-15 won't be around forever either. Waiting on the new NGAD to take shape.
The threat is re-emerging in the form of China. The Navy is once again in need of a fast, long range, fleet defender.
In fact Navy would have wanted to have more (at least 132) F-14D's but the political decision-makers did not. F-14 was "maintenence hog", but in return it outperformed Hornet and Super Hornet easily. There were some missions that only F-14 was able to make due its long combat range. Yes, F-15C will be retired 2026. And it if F-22 programm would have been realized as first planned they would have been gone a lot earlier.
Since one of them has been retired for more than 18 years, WTF is the point of this idiotic title?
The irony is that the F-15, later, could have been modified to carry/use the Phoenix missile.
1 missile in middle not 6
+ even in F14A was aim120 tested and with software upgrade it was able to fire that, so aim120 wasnt clear advantage because tomcat could fire that too, not mentioning tomcat had always AG capabilities, F15 Didnt and of course F14s had datalink, f15 were rellying on awacs. and apg71 in tomcat D had many similiar parts with F15s pg70 radar and hud in tomcat D was similiar to hornet + those guys were teaching hornet guys.
To say the F-14 was superior to the F-15 because of its long range is disingenuous because for one the Phoenix missile was good against fighters unless they had no capability of being aware of the missile, the AIM-7 Sparrow on the F-15 was better. Secondly the F-14’s engines in the beginning were unreliable and gave the Tomcat a less thrust to weight ratio compared to the F-15. And third the F-15 did have long range BVR capability, it made its name in it, it’s just that the F-14 was better with its more powerful radar.
In conclusion, the F-15 was better against fighters while the F-14 was better at taking down bombers and high altitude, high speed interceptors and reconnaissance platforms like the MiG-25. This is not to say that the F-14 wasn’t a good dogfighter.
If anyone is babbling "disingenuous" goo, it's you. As anyone truly familiar with the TF-30 fiasco knows, it was ANOTHER disingenuous sort by the name Dick Cheney who enforced the P&W contract upon the US Navy and Grumman, neither of which wanted anything to do with the 'flat and level' Air Force oriented F-111 engine development criteria; the Navy and Grumman knew better but got temporary overruled by a politician who notoriously dropped-out of college....a proverbial high schooler.
But let's get to some more of YOUR disingenuous goo....as is ALSO well known, the reason for the "unreliable" as you disingenuously label it, was precisely because of the 'flat and level' issue . . . those P&Ws were NEVER MEANT TO BE IN A FIGHTER THAT IS ON RECORD OF SUSTAINING AN INCREDIBLE 11.5 Gs IN COMBAT !! (Yes, you read that correctly, and I welcome a challenge.). That is to say.......the "unreliable" slander had nothing to do INTRINSICALLY with the F-14 (as you ostensibly assert), and everything to do with political crap. On honest post would have included the fact the engine core for the original F-14 and later the F-15 was the same: the P&W F-100.
But this really confirms not just your bias, but your deep ignorance, quote, "In conclusion, the F-15 was better against fighters while the F-14 was better at taking down bombers and high altitude, high speed interceptors and reconnaissance platforms like the MiG-25. " Laughable. Try telling that garbage to the receiving end of the F-14As (yes....with those "unreliable" TF-30s) . . . the receiving end? Over 180 kills by the Persians (Iranians) versus the Iraqis. But don't be so naive as to expect that we'll get the whole truth from . . . *the American side of this history* . . . since the fall of the Shah remains . . . once again, a political priority. In any case Col. Fereidoun Ali-Mazandarani would like to have a word with you....search RUclips for Combat aircraft pilot: Interview with sixteen kill Grumman F-14 Tomcat ace
I could go on.....but let's go here......try landing and taking off from a flat top with your land-lubber smooth asphalt runway lovin F-15....it'll break in half.
*And oh, before we let you get away with another disingenuous comment .... that October 1977 shoot out over Nellis AFB between the Tomcat and the Eagle.......what engines were in the F-14? Just askin.*
The F14 also used the sparrow, it still had a more powerful longer range radar. Comparing the old F14 vs the F14D is really disingenuous. Consider the F14 could maintain a similar turn rate, and in BVR it ate the F15. Airforce learned this back in the day when they decided to test the F15 vs the F14 and the F15 lost miserably in BVR, and after that, airforce then said they will only go against it WVR.
well thats the difference between fighters and interceptors. Its like comparing a p47 to a p51. Both were amazing and in the final days of the war the p47 had the range to reach berlin but the p47 was designed to be an all out armored tank in the sky for fighting enemy fighters. The P51 was designed to basically escort bombers with the ability of a fighter. It did not take the damage as well as the p47 either.
So when 2 F-14s went up against 2 F-15s, with both F-15s being "shot down" and the gun cameras showing both cannon "kills," including the F-14 of Hoser locked on with the piper on the F-15's pilot, gun selected and master arm on...that's the F-15 being better? Interesting take...
You say of the F-15, "It had a good combat record." Uhhh... what would an EXCELLENT or SUPERB or FLAWLESS combat record look like? If ever there was a time to employ hyperbolic adjectives, it's when referring to the F-15! And, BTW, I am SICK of these robot-narrated videos. Sorry, but this channel lacks credibility on multiple fronts.
50 years later which one of these two planes is still standing and flying? I think we have our answer and I think you're wrong and your analysis
That is an incorrect conclusion. Politics play a much bigger factor than actual Aircraft performance. The F-14 frame provides much more capabilities than the F15. If the F-14 had gotten the updates in technology it would have been way ahead of the F-15 till this day. The F-15 managed to surpass the F-14 only after decades of upgrades and even then it was still close. The only thing that made the F-15 better was that it was much cheaper.
The F-14 lived an extremely hard life and was never meant to last as long as the 15. Taking off and landing on a carrier, coupled with the harsh environment of salt water takes a much greater toll on the 14.
@@Karadjanovno it wouldn’t have
@@Karadjanovf-14s are never designed to be air superiority fighter like the F-15A-D, nor it was designed for Multirole Fighter, like the F-15E, it's main purpose is intercepting Soviet bombers, or Libyan bombers thats threatening U.S. Carriers, not to mention it's whole faulty development and issues, not to mention it's terrible energy retention, plus it has worse TWR than majority of the Teen Series anyways
bombcat bias is strong in this one.
Bias?? Toward the F-14 (in this video)?? Maybe you should get your ears checked. This garbage report is an apologists rant in favor of the F-15 . . . and it STILL falls short.
This debate was already settled long ago. An f-14 pilot named "Hoser" took on an F-15 In a dogfight training exercise and won with a gun kill right on the cockpit. The two pilots had been arguing about who had the better plane before they went on the exercise and decided to finally settle it. Look it up.
That was only one exercise! In what condition was the simulated combat mission flown? What was the flight hour difference between the pilots? In reality it will depend great on these conditions. The F14 could strike from a much further range with its fire and forget phoenix but it was known not to be 100% accurate. Did the simulation automatically assume a weapons lock was a kill? Both fighters have the ability to evade! The Tomcat is going to be more agile at one altitude whereas the F15 will have the advantage another. In a turning game the F15 would be victorious due to its power to weight ratio. Basically what I’m saying with the two aircraft it could easily go either way and one simulation doesn’t prove anything. In another training scenario an instructor in an F-4 Phantom repeatedly beat F-14’s. This is coming from someone who loves both aircraft and but has family who served in the Air Force during WW2 and the Korean War. However the F-14 is still my all-time favorite fighter jet and that has absolutely nothing to do with the Top Gun movie. I had posters of the F-14 hanging in the walls in my bedroom before the movie was ever released.
Navy Pilots rules!,….”it’s not the plane, it’s the pilot”…you said it @11:19, Navy pilots tended to be more daring and quality pilots than the Air Force pilots…..Navy win ratio during the exercises 25:1.
😂 Check our who has the better “real world” record. It’s not even close.
@@airforcex9412 the F14 when on scene, the badguys would turn away and run. No one wanted to challenge the F14 with the AWG-9 / AIM-54 missile system. There was nothing even close for DECADES.
Great vid, I bet if the F-14 was still developed further and unretired, it would surely beat the F-15, the Super Tomcat would def reign
Nah, the f15 was designed for air superiority.
@@enigma0876f14 also designed as air superiority.
F14a already beat F15a even during Aceval/Aimval in both BFM & BVR (w/ no aim54 phoenix allowed).
But by the defense budget's cut for Grumman, the development of F14 was slowed down & stopped pretty early of its life, prompting the Grumman to find foreign customer (Iran) so they have (limited) funds for its development. But even those weren't enough, since DoD want to remove all Grumman's product from carrier operation.
Considering how they had performed in their early variant, a matured of advance Tomcat surely will have much better performance than the Eagle.
In the other side F15'r continuously upgraded & developed into a powerful war machine.
@@thunderboltcougar5626 yeah if it wasn't for those contracts and everything that ended the production of the f-14, it would catch up to the eagle but rn the f-15 is still one of the best fighters today
You’re assuming that the F-15 couldn’t get those same upgrades. The F-14 was extremely unreliable. All things being equal, the F-15 was THE air superiority fighter.
Nice video, would be better in my opinion with a real voice providing the narrative.
Realistically, the F-15 is better due to it being a more modern design and doesnt need to be built for carrier operation. Better thrust to weight, new models got better radar, it got more budget for development and upgrades. However, the F-14 was ahead of the curve during it's time. An excellent platform that could have been developed further but lack the funding. That being said if i can own and operate a real life example for free, i'll be choosing the tomcat. It is such a beautiful aircraft that im still inlove with the jet.
I’ve flown F14 and F18 Super Hornet. I would take my F14 over anything including today’s planes . You’d have to drive an F14 to understand this !
Did you flew F-14B or F-14D?
He never flew either
The problem is: you would never know an F-22 stalked you until your wing was blown off.
@@andrescano7006The burnthrough range is 30 miles. Depending on available ECM stealth can be tracked within that range.
@@georgejones-e6t The Tomcat couldn't track the F-22, if the Eurofighter Typhoon couldn't. Stop holding on to antiquated dreams, as in that Top Gun 2 sequel. They scrapped the F-14 because it wasn't worth the resources.
The exterior design plays a role in the shape of the wings, the fuselage, the cockpit, and the air intakes to the engines. The agility and all the advanced electronic devices win.
Very informative, thank you.
F-14 that's one great interceptor / fighter.
Finally somebody got it right with these fighter jets. Just like are special forces they have different jobs or missions in every military branch to carry out.
You mean finally a robot got it right.
Both F-14 & F-15 are great planes, but I chose F-15. Although if the F-21 were around it might beat the F-15 as it is an improved F-14D with more powerful engines.
will you also do a comparison of the 14 & 15 to the current 15ex & what would've been the super-tomcat 21/22?
According to every tomcat pilot that I have seen interviewed, the number one misconception about the aircraft is that it was built as an interceptor. It was built as an air superiority aircraft first it replaced the phantom it absolutely was designed for dog, fighting, and air, superiority and fleet the fence as well. That’s why it was a more flexible aircraft than the eagle and did not require different variance to accomplish strike, and other missions.
To start out a video with such an egregious error boards poorly for the rest of it. You can listen to Northrop Grumman engineers and read the original VFX requirements and if you do so you will come away understanding that it is not an interceptor. Interceptors do not have, dogfighting features such as slats, flaps, dogfight, radar mode, a canon, etc.
Its all about the Drivers of both F14 Tomcat and F15 Eagal
The F-14 with the upgrade would have come out on top. The clime rate with and engine upgrade would have been better do to its better airfare. As for fighting, if the 120 sparrow missile was installed it would have matched the F-15. Radar was better in the F-14 was already better but if upgrades would have been crazy. The F-15 is a little better in handing, but the speed with the upgrade on the F-14 engines should have made that an even match. The biggest part of putting the F-14 on top would be the radar operator, two heads are always better then one.
Most of the comments haven't watched the video before commenting or somehow it didn't register. What most are saying doesn't add up at all. Thanks for the video. Appreciate the education.
No Doubt that the F-14 would be the Boss today❤
Very good and detailed video. Thanks
Very biased video
I hate TTS narration.
What’s hilarious about anybody claiming the tomcat was not air superiority is that for the first 12 years when the eagle and tomcat existed concurrently the tomcat was the one with the bigger radar and the only BVR weapon the Eagle did not get aamram for over a decade of its beginnings and would’ve been seen before the tomcat and shot it before they even knew they were in a dogfight with a Tomcat. And when the aim 120 came along, it took multiple upgrades before it exceeded the capabilities of the Phoenix and there are still various metrics in which the Phoenix always exceeded the 120 even today
The phoenix were not that good it was advanced for its time yes but in reality it could only really hit bombers
@@bruhhhhmoment4848 Simply not true..... the 54A version was analog and carried a proximity fuse whereas the 54C was digital and detonation was "decided" by the on-board computer. It (along with the Falcon AIM 47) was designed to carry either a conventional or .25 kiloton nuclear warhead. It was never programed for a "Direct Hit" but to detonate destroying an entire squadron- so a single aircraft, no biggie. Direct hit missiles- AIM 7, 9- yes, they were all close range single aircraft direct/single target missiles.
F-15 for the Philippine Air Force and F-14 for the Philippine Navy.
The US defense relies on Chinese-American scientists, researchers and engineers to make advanced weapons. Chinese-Americans vs Chinese. The Mars landing is another contest between Chinese-Americans and Chinese. "I am not exaggerating when I say that entry, descent and landing are the most critical and dangerous parts of the mission," said Allen Chen, a Chinese-American who is in charge of the process at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (Perseverance), during a press conference before the landing. "Success is never guaranteed." Chinese-American Lin Hua (US Minuteman 3 ICBM with a range of 13,000 kilometers) vs Chinese Liang Sili (China's DF-41 ICBM with a range of 15,000 kilometers). In 1964, he was hired by American Grumman Aircraft Company as the director of the design department. Under the leadership of Lu Heshen, he developed a variety of aircraft carriers, including the F-14 Tomcat, F-111B Sea Pig, C-2 Greyhound transport aircraft, and E-2 Hawkeye early warning aircraft. If the Chinese American Lu Heshen had not designed the F-14 Tomcat, Americans would not have Top Gun. The US B-1B strategic bomber is a super-lengthened and enhanced version of the F-111B fighter/bomber.
This is definitely an F-14 propaganda video. The Tomcat did have better BVR range than the Eagle but in an old school dog fight the Eagle is the superior. This is the reason the F-15 was developed. Current warfare does not require many up close and personal dog fights but if it were needed.. the Eagle wins. Sorry Navy go Air Force.. In the end... both are great, just Eagle greater. lol
Take the dogfight down low and see what happens. Each jet has its strengths.
"This is definitely an F-14 propaganda video." Maybe you should get your ears checked bozo-boy. This is ANYTHING BUT an "F-14 propaganda video." It's an F-15 apologists film.......but now we're waaaaaaay over your ignorant skull.
@@hoghogwildnothing would change their performance is essentially equal but f15 was easier to fly
@@bruhhhhmoment4848 the F-14 would fight better down low while the Eagle would up high. It's all in the wings.
@@hoghogwild has nothing to do with altitude
Apples and oranges, to an extent. The Eagles could not be used for the Gulf of Sidra for example. But there are many advantages for either one. Thank goodness we had both.
Once the F-14 got the GE motors, it was a much closer WVR fight. They could now play in the vertical, and stay in the fight a lot longer (the F-110 was more fuel efficient vs. the TF-30's). Ironically the F-15EX is now powered by F-110's as well, the F-110 GE -129. The US Navy retired its last F-14 in 2006, which leaves Iran as the sole F-14 operator. It's the original F-14A though, with inferior TF-30 engines, AWG-9 radar and other dated weapons systems. Nevertheless, it's the man in the cockpit that usually determines who lives or dies...
Both are excellent planes. Nothing from other countries can beat those 2 😊
"I FEEL THE NEED..." ah, forget it, you guys already know it by now.
I worked on the f-14 as a structural design engineer for a few years in the 1980s. It is a GREAT aircraft. The f15 has a different mission. Others have accurately described the mission and environment of the f14, but the f15 is supercool….it shot down a satellite! I would not like to face either of them as an enemy.
Я помню этот эксперимент со спутником. Это произошло где-то в 1884-85 годах. Когда при помощи противоспутниковой ракеты F-15 осуществил эту миссию. Это было впервые.
The Phoenix, with great range, is essentially worthless for fighters. Intended for bombers.
The F-15 is superior for air to air with ANY aircraft of the 70s, 80s and 90s….well into the 2000s.
did you watch the video? F-15 dead before it ever saw the F-14.
@@jimlamb5508the video is incredible biased
Ignorant people being people. Fighters die before they knew what hit them . F14s prime mission.
@@davidbell1619 what
@@jimlamb5508 cool argument, but no tomcat variants has AIM-120s in it.
F-14s swing wing makes it technically better!
I think a continually improved F 14 would be able to take the F 15 easily.
Yes!!
Yeah, because it would be an F14 in name only, much like the A10/P47, although the P47 was a pretty good fighter/bomber, which cannot be said for the A10. Where they're similar is in their ability as ground attack aircraft and to absorb tremendous battle damage and make it home.
The F-14 became the most expensive aircraft to operate in the Navy inventory, requiring 40 to 60 maintenance manhours per flight hour. For comparison, the F-18 Hornet requires only 20 hours of maintenance and the latest F-18E/F Super Hornet requires just 10 to 15 hours.
A Super Hornet costs about $17,000 per flight hour to operate. Using these two pieces of information we can estimate the running costs of the F-14 to be somewhere between $35,000 and $40,000 per flight hour.
No matter the upgrades, it’s still a swing wing, heavy, lots of panels for maintenance access, in a saltwater environment.
Personally I think both jets are and were badass
They played different positions in the same game
Like a point guard and a shooting guard
Both have different skill sets with some overlap but the only way to win is good play from both
It’s a romantic idea but totally untrue in the face of all the data
Amazing video, and yes I think if the F-14 were still around and upgraded, it would even beat the F-35
Highly doubt it
F-14s are great jets, but it's fans are otherworldly hallucinated with their main character syndrome.
... 12:09 ... ps ... one of the later F-14s was equipped to carry the AIM-120...
Yeah one but doing that to all the tomcats would have been incredible expensive when they could just get the f18 which was more reliable, advanced, and cheaper to buy and maintain
@@bruhhhhmoment4848
F-14D can carry 6 AIM-54 Fox 3s
F/A-18E can carry up to 12 AIM-120, which are more reliable against fighters, especially modern ones
Also Tomcat's outdated variable wings will not have that many Pylons like F/A-18E/F and F-15E
These tomcat glazers are stupid
@ yeah the copium is insane. Just because the saw it in top they think it’s the best plane ever
Yes yes yes perhaps at their release date the F-14 was superior BUT later versions of the F-15 were vicious. Simple truth is the F-14s just didn't have that many air-air engagements, records do speak volumes 104-0 kill to loss ratio says it ALL.
Both were phenomenal planes though!
Both fighters were ahead of their time
The ST-21 would have been a monster. Better radar, thrust vectoring, more powerful engines, AIM-120 upgrade.
Yes they finally put the engine that was in the later F-15 into the F-14 and gave it some actual acceleration. Up until then you had to coax and F-14 into your field of battle and get them to come below their best altitude and speed in order to outmaneuver them. The F-14 could not out maneuver an F-15. I've worked on the F-14 a few times in the Air Force because frequently those planes would come to my air base. These things only had about a 50% reliability rate. The Pratt & Whitney F-100 engine that was originally in the F-15 the f-111f model and the F-16 was eventually replaced by the GE f110. Parsley because of the propensity for the third stage compressor section to fail on the F100 engine. I have seen that failure on a damaged aircraft in the f-111f model though but when that happens in an F-16 you have to punch out of the plane because that plane only Glides at over 300 mph and you better be close to to a Runway to survive and save the aircraft. I don't know where you got your assumptions about which one was more capable because they both had equal capability depending on which systems were added to the aircraft. And those were conscious decisions based on their role given that the F-15 has actually been in combat far more times than the 14 has it's hard to state which one would clearly win a dog fight between the two. However it is known that when they work against each other that the F-14 put occasionally went out over the f-15. When it came to the F-16 they both we're almost feckless at trying to stop the F-16 the F-16 was so vastly Superior in its capability that they didn't even want to engage them
It's just politics. Once Boeing bought McDonnell-Douglas and took over production of the F-15, and all variants, as well as the F/A-18, and all variants, they could start to manipulate both the Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps. In the mid-80s, most of the aircraft sitting on a carrier's decks were made by Grumman. There were almost always a couple of aircraft types made by other companies, such as Vought, Lockheed, and McDonnell-Douglas. With the Hawkeyes, Greyhounds, Intruders, Prowlers, and Tomcats, Grumman pretty much created the whe Air Wing, other than the helicopters. These days, the decks of U.S. aircraft carriers are covered with aircraft made by Boeing, except for the E-2, C-2, and the helicopters. DICK Cheney drove the nail into the coffin of the F-14. The retirement of the F-14 has left a gaping hole in the ability of a carrier strike group to defend itself. This hole won't be filled until after a U.S. aircraft carrier is sunk or severely damaged by current adversaries. Only then will the top brass be screaming for an F-14 again.
The F-14 was an interceptor first of all, fighter secondly. The F-18 with AMRAMS, 9Xs, and the gigantic amount of ship-based anti-air defense in a carrier group is plenty.
Subs are a bigger threats to carrier groups still.
The F-14 was retired because it was an expensive bitch to maintain. For 1 flight hour an F-14 needed about 40-60 man-hours of work done. In comparison the Super Hornet averages 15 man hours. The only thing off the top of my head that is substantial worse is the F-111 at 80 man hours per flight hour. Guess what was the major issue, swing wings.
There’s a reason you don’t see swept wing designs anymore.
facts
VF-84 Jolly Rodgers had best color scheme!
The fact that today, five decades after the start of the flight of these two successful fighters, the discussion of comparing these two fighters is still so attractive and fascinating should make the lovers of flying especially these fighters happy, and I think most of the F-14 Tomcat lovers. Because the Tomcat has been retired from the US Armed Forces since 2006, the Eagles still have to prove their ability to be superior to the Tomcats. it is interesting.
They have to prove it to tomcat fanboys who can’t accept reality. The f14 had MANY issues that ultimately led to the navy replacing it with the f18
0:17
That's not the YF-17, that's the F-5E, which is, in some way, the predecessor of YF-17 because YF-17 was based on the F-5, but it wasn't developed from it
I will always love the F-14!❤
Very interesting for sure. I had always considered the F-15 better then most other fighter planes. The F-15 and The F-18 were both originally McDonnel Douglas planes. Imagine if what we know as the F-16's and F-18's were the oppisite. Now since the (J)oint (S)trike (F)ighter program we have the 3 versions of the F-35 ; F-35'A USAF model , F-35B US Marines and F-35C US Navy. Also the F-35's are sold to and co-developed with our Nato Allies. Both the F-14's and F-15's had a very hard time trying to detect and track the SR-71's even when the SR-71's were " dumbed down " so that the pilots for both branches could try to intercept the SR-71's but both sets of pilots had difiiculties in doing that.
I read somewhere that the F-14 required more maintenance than the F-15, was less reliable, and cost more to operate.
not really, the avionic systems were both designed and built at the same time by Hughes Aircraft Company with the F15 being of a slightly newer design. The F14's age plus being carrier based really induced the "extra maintenance" just from the "abuse" it received and wear and tear. All the electronics were compartmentalized where the "Techs" could literally just unplug any of the "boxes" (which were large) and slide the box needing attention out and the replacement in in a matter of a few minutes- the F15, FA18, etc. are all the same way. So the avionics can be checked, tested, repaired on board the ship while the aircraft is airborne doing it's job.
You do know that you have a picture of 2 F-14's not one of each on the window to click on this video?
For those who are looking for a real result of the competition of these two fighter planes; Reviewing them and seeing them again 1- McDonnell/Air Force Eagle F-15 and Grumman/Navy Tomcat F-14 competition was held on July 26, 1973 at Andrews, US Air Force Base, for the Shah of Iran. With the presence of the highest officials of "DoD" and defense committees of the United States Congress and officials of two manufacturing companies and representatives of the US Air Force Department as well as the US Navy Department.
The superiority of the Tom Cat show in that flight piloted by Dan Evans and RIO Dennis Romano over the Eagle F-15 was evident to all present.
The second competition is again at another US Air Force base, Nellis, for a week in the form of a scenario: one defender against two attackers. Two defenders against two attackers.
Eagles from Nellis and Tomcats from "Miramar" battles were planned as "dog fights".
As a pilot I totally disagree
Fabulous aircraft
I'm navy. Both planes are awesome. F15 is the king. Still a American plane! 🙂
F15 record us 103 confirmed kills 0 Losses. F14 record is 130 confirmed kills 4 losses. This means F15 have about a 5% better record then F14.
WRONG.........the F-14 kills are well over 180............nice try bozo.
@@Bluewolf-xi3ctyes, over 130
135, exactly, not much isn't it?
@@Bluewolf-xi3ctalso most of it's kills arent even scored by the USN, it's IRIAF slaughtering Iraq's dated MiGs with no BVR capabilities
F-15 FTW!!!! F-14 is retired and replaced for a reason.
Nah dawgz! Iran has F-14s
@@mikes7446 How many of em flew?
F15 has over 30,000 pounds of thrust way more than the F14 and F14 is maintenance intensive
Obviously the F14 was a superior aircraft with better weapon’s and adaptability of better systems was a plus. It’s capable of landing on ships and land its versatility has its advantages.
But we keep the weaker ones and remove the stronger systems.
I say we should keep planes like
A/10 and any other systems that seems to be on the chopping block. I say keep them all and work them together. We are possibly going to need each one.
I'm a Top Gun movie fan and because of this I like the F14. I wonder about the use of a RIO and I feel if Iran didnt have the F14, then it might not have been phased out.
Iran having or not having the F-14 had nothing to do with its retirement timing. It did affect the actual physical f-14 retirement and exactly how the airframes were demilitarized.
Iran has nothing to do with it being phased out only with them being destroyed so Iran couldn’t take their parts. And the RIO operated the radar and weapon system while the pilot flies the plane
@@bruhhhhmoment4848 That is the official statement. But think about it. The main plane of the Navy, USMC, Air Force starting from the 70's are the F-14, F-18, F-16, F-15. The only plane officially retired and not flying is the F-14. There is a F-18 Super Hornet, a F-15 EX, and the F-16 block 70 all upgraded versions.
@@bobbymak6964because it's a pain in the ass to operate or maintain, the same reason why F-22 will be replaced by something better before F-35
@@tobiaspramono378 I believe your explanation. I just love it because of Top Gun.
I love this video first. We have sat relay no need for extra high altitude planes which makes it a good aircraft for our future 🎉
The shape of the f14 is centered with your arms arched like a eagle
i root for f14 because it's name is easier to pronounce 😂
forever for teen 💪💩
From what I understand, the F-15 is not a very good dog fighter, mainly just a high-speed missile truck. The idea of the F-14 swing wings was to give you a good dog fighter that could also hit high speeds. I think because of the high maintenance costs and risking 2 people, it was decided to just focus on the F-15 instead of updating the F-14. I would have loved to have seen a Super Tomcat at some point. With lighter materials modern electronics it would be on par with any other 4.5 gen fighter. Only so much room in the budget. If it was my call, I probably would have focused on the F-15 as well.
In reality both were used as missiles trucks both being able to take 8 missiles. Both are pretty good dogfighters actually have very similar performance in 1 and 2 circle. It would really come down to the pilot although the f14 was harder to fly with the many issues it had
@@bruhhhhmoment4848tomcat will be inferior in sustained dogfights tho
Both are FANTASTIC , but i choose F-15
Downfall of the F-14 was the maintenance hours to keep it in the air
It's all about costs too, if the F-14 Tomcat was costing way more money, then the F-15 E would be a better choice. But let the pilots decide.
They're never going to fight each other. What's the point? When was the last F-14 used? 2005 or 2006. What is the relevance?
Exactly. Lots of blowhard ignoramuses on this thread. Unfortunately, that's all too common when the comments come almost entirely from people who will never even get close the any these aircraft, except in their fantasies.
They did, a 2v2, both F-15s lost. Hoser's F-14 even got a lock with the gun piper on the F-15 pilot.
@ShogunSeras Are you talking about Red Flag?
It is said Iran still uses the F-14 as an AWACs platform today as their old radar is still more capable than any other their jets.
F-16 kicks both their asses in a dogfight.
F-14 have been built for NAVY had too many compromises to make it aircraft worthy. F-15 was the US supreme air dominance pure AIR FORCE and no compromises.
I say f14, there was a reason shah of Iran did all sort of lobbying and stuff to buy F14s, while F15 was an option as well.
That depends upon what you are selling to your enemies? Can the F14 still hold its own against enemy aircraft of today with that hulking airframe? That's the question and I think it was retired for a reason.
18 seconds in and the silhouette when you said “YF17” is accurate. Looks more like and F20 or T5 in my non aviation expert opinion.
It looks like a f5e you can kinda see the gap between the 2 small engines
I would love to see the F14 tomcat Come back as a gen 6 fighter... new radar, stealth ,engines and weaponry..... plus tough enough to land on an aircraft carrier!!...... I wouldn't mind paying taxes for that!!
The “stealth” portion is the big issue. To make it stealth you’d likely have to redesign it so much that it wouldn’t look like a F14 anymore
@captainhellhound7451 .. With its wings swept back i'm pretty sure it would be stealthy ...
@@lesfaust9634 not with how many extra surfaces and planes gaps there would be. Plus good look making a stealthy wing design that still has good areodynamics that has to work is two different positions.
Stealth and swept wing shouldn't even be in the same sentence
Seems like comparing a battle rifle to an assault rifle. The one I choose depends on the range of the enemy but they can generally overlap a lot with their capabilities.
Yes
F14 is the greatest model
It has to be upgraded with new composite materials frame structure & engines and avionics & arsenal that can be still the leader in the world
No
Two different aircraft two different missions. Tomcat is kinda bigger than the F15, and the first gen 14 was lacking in the engine department. My grandfather was a chief at Eglin AFB in the 1990’s and 1997 we got on base for a 4 of July celebration, and one of their own F15’s went to the sky to give everyone a show and boy did he. He pointed the nose up, flames were about 6 times as long as the airplane itself and it shot straight up out of sight
with updated engines, electronic package upgrades, and missiles upgrades the tomcat would be so much better, or if Northrop Grumman stood by the plane they could have made a super tomcat....
F14 was simply a better airplane, and the latter upgrades made it faster too. Navy dropped the ball cos an F21(14 upgrade) be still flying today
It is said that the Japanese Self-Defense Force f-15j always won a dog-fighting with the U.S. Navy f-14.
There were tests done when the Tomcat first began service. Its performance was determined to be "marginally better than the F-4." To claim that its performance was even slightly on par with an F-15 is laughable... By the way, the Phoenix missile was not effective against fighters, it was for non-maneuvering targets - ie. bombers, cruise missiles etc.
The F15 had a significantly better top speed and manuverability WVR. A 14 pilot told me that they used to have mock dogfights vs the nearby airforce F15s. He said they almost always lost. When the F14 engines were upgraded he said they had a much better chance. The F14 was an overpriced, one trick pony Russian bomber interceptor and in no way a dogfighter as depicted in the Top Gun movie where you can see it being out manuvered by A4s Skyhawks and F5 Es.
If you are talking about American jets, stop using metric measurements FFS……
Oh no, how dare he use the system that most of the world uses and even a lot of US business use
Maybe bc that’s what the military used?
F 14 is forever ❤❤
Any time baby!!!
I hear a lot of great things about the Super Tomcat but unfortunately it was super expensive.
Its not a fight between both great fighters. The f18 was just way cheaper and did almost everything the f14 did. Iran has this jet and the US doesn't want any replacement parts to fall in Iran's possession