The ents attacking Isengard will always be my favorite part of this movie. They build it up so much. They have their whole council and the ents arent sure if they are going and when they decide to go, treebeard is out there like "we may be marching to our doom", and "this is the last march of the ents" and as they walk they play this tragic mournful music and it just feels like such a sad moment and we are about to watch all these wonderful tree people get destroyed.... than the ents get to Isengard and they just absolutely 360-noscope the orcs. They just roll over it like its a big nothing, we dont even see a single ent go down. As you guys pointed out, they even take the time to show that the one ent that appears to take some damage managed to extinguish the fire and he's totally fine, and Saruman is just up there in his tower watching it all crumble with a face that absolutely screams "oh shit! I really did not see this coming...". Peak movie moment.
It also comes straight after the climax of the Battle of the Hornburg/Helm's Deep which means that we're already on a crest from the epic scenes. To cap it all, Samwise's speech and Howard Shore's music then kicks in...
I love how the Ent council meeting was firmly a boring "old person meeting", and you sort of expect the Ents to do nothing. But the second Treebeard sees the destruction Isenguard has caused and realising that a lot of his the tree friends are now dead and he needs to act now, all he has to do is call out and all the slow and careful Ents immediately come to his aid to kick Sarumans army into the freaking curb. All my tree homies hate the Wizard's army.
Remembering now how Tolkien wrote it because he was bothered by the prophecy in Macbeth about Birnam Wood coming to Dunsinane: it turned out to just be a trick with guys disguised as trees, and he thought "man, it'd be so much cooler if the trees could actually walk and fight", so he wrote that and it was indeed cool.
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat You realize that the Americas didn't have any humans until 30,000 years ago and came from a place with horses that, thankfully, weren't carnivores, right? Also, if America had horses why would they have lived in caves?
Gandalf being sent back to Middle earth because his purpose was not yet fulfilled is like if you called in dead to work and your boss was like "You're on the schedule until the end of the 3rd age we need you to be a team player. Also the shift lead quit to pursue evil doings so here's a manager uniform." Note: I can’t take credit for this, but I really wanted to share it here
I love when Faramir says, "The enemy? His sense of duty was no less than yours, I deem. You wonder what his name is, where he came from. And if he was really evil at heart. What lies or threats led him on this long march from home. If he would not rather have stayed there in peace. War will make corpses of us all."
Imagine that you’re a New Line executive and several months after 9/11 you turn to an intern and ask them what the title of that movie that you have invested hundreds of millions of dollars into, and then the intern turns to you and says “it’s called the Two Towers”…
well, most of the people dont' think they are the center of the world. A lot of shait happens in the world nobody cares about your little country anymore...deal with it
The Dead Marshes were based on the Battle of the Somme. The quote “All Dead, all rotted,” is something JRRT wrote walking the Battlefield after it ended.
First use of machine guns if I remember correctly. Tolken talks about hearing a click, click, click, click, click coming from the fog and people walking forward in line just start screaming and dying.
@@andrewcurtis2337 First use of machine guns 30 years after the maxim gun was invented and 4 years after the British army adopted the vickers machine gun?
9:52 may be the single best editor's joke on the channel. I love the butts and the things, but something about how stupid it is, paired with the fact Mason somehow lost track of who they're talking about almost mid-sentance, really tickled me.
3:03 I love that this scene is getting some play. It is such a great teamwork moment. It really gives you a sense of the fellowship being stronger than ever.
The opposition to the menu line has always been a strange one to me. Orcs have to eat. I'm sure in the strongholds they're not just fending for themselves. There must be some kind of mess hall and it's the job of some orcs to prepare food for the others. As soon as there are two or more options for things they could eat, that's a menu. It doesn't have to be some extensive, fancy thing with caviar and scallops and what have you. Gruel with chicken bits, gruel without chicken bits. There. A menu
The assumptions made about the length of Gandalf’s fall are based on a gravitational acceleration equal to earth. However, based off the distance that Legolas’s elf eyes can see, the curvature of middle earth is less than that of earth, suggesting that it is a more massive planet. Assuming a similar density to earth that would mean an even greater gravitational acceleration, meaning Gandalf fell even further. This fact blew Peter Jackson’s mind, which is why the working title for the film was “the Blue Harvesting Towers,” which incidentally is very similar to the working title of Star Wars.
It canonically was flat until the end of the Second Age when the Numenoreans broke the rules and sailed to Valinor. Eru Illuvatar sank the island of Numenor and reshaped the planet into a globe.
I left a comment about Tarantino and it dissappeared, at least on my end it's gone, I don't know if you can see it. I pointed out that he said some nasty stuff in an interview.
23:28 thank you, Ben and Lawrence for adding a clip of the 1978 version of the Lord of the Rings (Ralph Bakshi), which ended at the Two Towers and never touched Return of the King. There are two Rankin and Bass productions of The Hobbit and The Return of the King, but they are their own separate universes….? I guess. Would loooove for you guys to cover those, preferably drunk. Maybe a Christmas Special? A Holiday Special, one might say?
Maybe it's just nostalgia but I always liked the Rankin/Bass Hobbit. Their Return of the King isn't great, but even that has its moments (I think its version of the climactic Mount Doom scene is better than Peter Jackson's), and it ended up almost plugging the gap left by Bakshi's version never getting a part two. Apparently, that was a complete accident, not something Rankin/Bass or their Japanese collaborators ever planned on happening.
From memory: there are 2 blue wizards that suck, a brown wizard (Radagast) that cares not for much but the animal kingdom, and then Gandalf the Grey, who wasn't supposed to reach the heights he did, and Saruman the White who changed his robe to that "of many colours" when he betrayed the Valar and the people's of Middle-earth. Peter Jackson didn't do the cloak (or robe?) of many colours in the movie, but that was Saruman's new drip. And then Gandalf took Saruman's old title of "The White" after coming back. Interestingly, Saruman was really playing BOTH sides more in the books. He wanted to rule by eventually usurping Sauron. That aspect got muddied a bit when translated to film.
Side Note: Bob Anderson did not do the choreography or fight as Darth Vader in Star Wars ‘A New Hope’ but he did choreograph the lightsaber duels and he did perform the sword fights in the Darth Vader suit for Star Wars ‘The Empire Strikes Back’ and ‘Return if the Jedi’. In SW ANH the duel choreography was done by stunt coordinator Peter Diamond and actual Darth Vader actor David Prowse did the sword fight in ANH.
I wouldnt say "the elves" showed up at helms deep. SOME elves showed up. Like, a company or so. I imagine a confrontation where a bunch of them go "screw you you cowards, those are our friends, this needs doing, me and my mates are going. See you in hell or at the gray havens whichever comes first. Charge!"
Aragorn ain't a descendant of the Dunedain, he *is* a Dunedain. That's the fancy word for the rangers of Numenorean descent. He is a descendant of the Numenor people!
13:30 - Hama, his father, is the guy who lets Gandalf keep his staff entering Edoras, and later takes a bite to the face by the first warg. So he's sadly gone at this point.
I love Gandalf-the-fashionably-White, fresh from the salon, cresting the hill and coming to the rescue with those classic words penned by Tolkien, "I got a horse and some sun!" 🧙🏼♂😆
I have to admit, I really don't like the change to Faramir in the movie. The whole point of his lack of temptation was to show that despite him not being as physically strong as his brother, his inner strength was what the world really needed. Him being tempted by the ring kind of ruins that aspect
I always view his temptation as different, Boromir was tempted by the ring with the intention to control it. Faramir wasn’t tempted by the ring itself he was tempted by the chance to as his father puts it ‘show his quality’ and what better way than giving him the one ring. But hey I’m probably wrong and at the end of the day it doesn’t make a huge difference
@@mattew0113The idea in the book is that Frodo and Sam are dead certain Faramir will be tempted after the Boromir stuff and yet he just refuses it outright. It works for the movie because Frodo’s plot is extremely dull otherwise, but it does make Faramir weaker as a character.
Don’t you think being tempted, but overcoming it is showing greater strength in a way? A bit like when people saying being brave is only possible if you’re scared?
@@mattew0113Nah, I prefer this take too: it also has the additional benefit of not immediately removing the dramatic weight of the Ring by not having a character just going "nah, I'm alright ta"
@@geoffishy Boromir didn't overcome it. He fell to it. And then he died defending the other two because outside of the ring's power he was a good person. Faramier didn't feel temptation because he was never motivated by power and never held the ring.
I know a lot of people dislike the changes they made to Faramir (and Aragorn to some extend) compared to the books, but I've always liked that both characters struggle a bit more before they find the right path - it makes it more impactful when Faramir finally decides to give up the ring and help Frodo, and when Aragorn accepts his duties as a king despite his worries about Isildur's failings.
To me Faramir isn’t the problem (he’s cooler in the book tho) it’s Frodo and Sam, they got the worst adaptation changes in the adaptation. Movie Frodo is goddamn useless and annoying, he’s got no spine whatsoever while movie Sam is a clingy boyfriend who gets pissy and whiney. In the book Frodo is the most mature of the four Hobbits given he’s supposed to be 50 years old like Biblo was in the Hobbit, while Sam in the book has got real depth to him, even beyond loving Frodo.
I actually like movie Aragorn a bit more, him rejecting the throne is so much more fun than him running around all hoity toity showing his beautiful sword around.
The Fifth Element is one of the most overrated movies in the history of movies. It's a movie about a ball of death and five rocks that have to be collected so the characters have something to do to stop ball of death. "what should our big inciting incident be? What should the plot revolve around?" "I dunno, lets just call it the death ball till we come up with something good. Let's focus on Mila Jovavich's outfits first."
My childhood friend and I and our two wives would hold a Lord of the Rings day every year for about 5 years where we would watch the extended additions of all 3 movies back to back. Yes, that is over 11 hours, but we would run our own commentary, drink a lot, and make themed food during it. We started out just watching it on a TV, but by the final iteration we were watching it on a giant projection screen that was the entire width of my living room. Fortunately for me, I didn't have kids at the time, and I had a good paying teaching job in New Jersey in the United States, so I used some of the bad math too much money I accidentally saved up each year for the summer to buy a $900 projector (in 2009 $) and a $300 automatically lowering and raising Projection screen. It's still there in 2024 & still used, a solid investment
If you guys are looking back at the Lord of the Rings movies and the craze around it, I think you should look into The Lord of the Rings Strategy Battle Game aka LOTR Warhammer from Games Workshop. It was a crazy crazy success for the company, they had a pretty deep cooperation with the movie production and Weta Workshop. Some of the GW sculptors/staff were extras in the movies (the Perry Brothers were riders of Rohan, one of them is missing an arm! (He lost in in a cannon misfire in a historical re-enactment battle)) For a brief time I think the LOTR miniature sales overtook WH 40k. They changed their monthly magazine to have a major focus on LOTR, with each side of the magazine having a different cover but upside down to each other, you'd read the warhammer or LOTR section then flip over to read the rest.
Absolutely love you guys, but I'm kinda disappointed that you didn't mention the famous quip about Gandalf telling everyone to run so that he could take all the exp for himself and come back all levelled up with new gear. Much love
So you’re telling me this movie with an all-Star cast, hundreds of extras, a ton of real sets and models, a small armies worth of costumes, armor, weapons, prosthetics, puppetry, and intense battle scenes costs 94 Million…meanwhile Joker 2 cost over 200 million.
9:11 - Honey, lemon, and ginger gave stomach aches? I guess raw dead skinny rabbittsis, rotten fish skin and fruit flies are more Gollum, he was very committed to the role :)
"I don't know how anybody made these, it doesn't even make sense to me" I don't even know if this is a joke, I literally have the same exact thought every time I rewatch these movies. Like, I can't even picture where one would begin with a task so monumental. It's like trying to imagine how we put a man on the moon.
Agreed, except Gollum is better than junkies, because at least he's ruined his life for something amazing, instead of ruining his life to pass out in The Tenderloin for six hours.
I really don’t know if it’s a fresh take but he’s an emaciated lacking in any sort of nutrients who only goes outside to go off on adventure drop off some expensive metals
12:13 was really windy. That flag was originally an accident, Jackson loved it, became part of the film. Unsure whether the flag is allegory or supposition tho
Also fun fact but not from this movie, C3P0 actor Anthony Daniels provided the voice of the original Legolas in the 1978 animated movie version of LotR.
@13:30 That kid is Haleth son of Hama. His dad was the guard at Edoras who let Gandalf keep his staff. He dies in the books somewhere else I think... but in the movie he gets eaten by a warg. So that is why Aragorn takes a moment to comfort him, he knows his dad is dead and was a pretty good bloke.
It’s the second installments that made me fall in love. The twin towers, the empire strikes back, Spiderman 2, chamber of secrets- saw these before the others and just never looked back… well technically I did
The problematic part of this one is that they didn't show the Balrog's family. I hope they include Momrog and Kidrog in a supplemental tv show to make it right
@@li-limandragon9287 when they announced that movie I was very curious how they were going to handle it because while it's a good book, it's not really exciting for a big budget blockbuster. I did like the film though and thought they did a pretty good job at it.
"There's a love triangle" Honestly giving it too much credit. Considering the ages of Aragorn and Arwen (80+), it's more like Eowyn is a toddler crushing on their babysitter
Interesting fact, because the film's special effects were much more complex than the previous film, it required a lot more blue-screen work than the first film, which led to the crew jokingly saying that the film was a sort of "Blue Harvest", which was coincidentally the working title of the original "Star Wars" from 1977
14:50 A little bit of Arwen is actually still in the battle at Helm's Deep. At the climax, when Theoden leads the charge down the ramp (12:42 in this video), you can see two white horses. The one in front, next to Aragorn, is Arwen.
I had nearly lost hope of seeing Doctor Who clips in these, but right near the end you came through with a totally relevant clip (even if it's from The Lodger, not the greatest episode). Thank you for your kindness and dedication.
I don’t know if you guys will see this but my favourite piece of trivia is at helms deep. When the old man. “Bruce. RIP” accidentally let’s go of his arrow and killing the fist orc, Aragorn says hold in elvish because he thought only an elf could have made that shot
I wish the entire LOTR trilogy had like fantasy music, but for that one single scene of Gandalf walking as the bros fight guards, they just throw in "THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN!!!". Really would have elevated the level of cinema
5:00 - "I don't think anything. I've never had a thought. You know that." The inventor/presenter of Thoughts and Prizes just admitted to never having a thought. Aha! Got im!
The Battle of Helm's Deep here completely blew me away at age 17 seeing it on the big screen. I thought the depiction of the Battle in the 1978 animated Ralph Bakshi version was pretty bad-ass in its own way, but the first time I saw THIS version, I was totally at the edge of my seat with my eyes popping out and my bottom jaw just hanging down like a swinging door hinge, at a loss for words. Definitely a life-defining moment at the movies just like the first and last installments.
I remember watching the extended edition behind the scene stuff and they’re talking about how much Tolkien loved trees then a few hours later the sound guys are like “to get the Ent noises we just chopped down a bunch of trees indiscriminately.” Like… it worked and it sounds great but uh
You all better not be lying about doing the extended edition I better see those videos in my feed next year or something. Also please do the shadow of Mordor series at some point
Please do one more “That guy who says Rodney” compilation before the end of the year! It’s my only request! - This is my ninth time asking - one for each Ringwraith
13:32 regarding the kid's dad: it's actually the first guy who gets eaten by the warg in the ambush. the guy we see with the king a lot, until we don't, because he gets eaten by a warg
Although James and Maso failed to give tribute, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you to Ben and Lawrence/Lawrence and Ben! You gentlemen make these nearly half hour videos so entertaining with your editing. I probably would've given up if not for your efforts! So thank you so much!!!!
My favourite thing about this is that it was uploaded raw yesterday and I just assumed that's how they wanted it. And now I have to watch it again for the edits.
Faramir ignoring the ring is also why they didn't include Tom Bombadill, because if they spend all the start of the movie hyping up how powerful the ring is, but then include a character that gandalf says "is immune to it and he'd just forget about it and lose it", it robs the ring of all the power they've built up.
I love that everyone remembers Sam as a great friend and hero. But like, he's absolutely the reason Gollum doesn't find any redemption. I dunno, if they'd just been kind, they could've thrown the ring into the fire, Gollum would just die of old age eventually, and Frodo would have all his fingers
Yeah in the books it's a bit clearer that that is Sam's big flaw, and Frodo is genuinely wiser and kinder than him. He's never fooled by Gollum and genuinely wants to help him for altruistic reasons.
13:29 That kid is actually the son of Hama, the guy who gets eaten by a Warg earlier in the movie. So yeah, his dad sorta is taking a nap. A very long one.
The ents attacking Isengard will always be my favorite part of this movie. They build it up so much. They have their whole council and the ents arent sure if they are going and when they decide to go, treebeard is out there like "we may be marching to our doom", and "this is the last march of the ents" and as they walk they play this tragic mournful music and it just feels like such a sad moment and we are about to watch all these wonderful tree people get destroyed.... than the ents get to Isengard and they just absolutely 360-noscope the orcs. They just roll over it like its a big nothing, we dont even see a single ent go down. As you guys pointed out, they even take the time to show that the one ent that appears to take some damage managed to extinguish the fire and he's totally fine, and Saruman is just up there in his tower watching it all crumble with a face that absolutely screams "oh shit! I really did not see this coming...".
Peak movie moment.
It also comes straight after the climax of the Battle of the Hornburg/Helm's Deep which means that we're already on a crest from the epic scenes. To cap it all, Samwise's speech and Howard Shore's music then kicks in...
We do see one ent pulled down with ropes and then swarmed by orcs with axes... so there was at least one casualty.
💯 agreed!
I love how the Ent council meeting was firmly a boring "old person meeting", and you sort of expect the Ents to do nothing. But the second Treebeard sees the destruction Isenguard has caused and realising that a lot of his the tree friends are now dead and he needs to act now, all he has to do is call out and all the slow and careful Ents immediately come to his aid to kick Sarumans army into the freaking curb. All my tree homies hate the Wizard's army.
Remembering now how Tolkien wrote it because he was bothered by the prophecy in Macbeth about Birnam Wood coming to Dunsinane: it turned out to just be a trick with guys disguised as trees, and he thought "man, it'd be so much cooler if the trees could actually walk and fight", so he wrote that and it was indeed cool.
"A horse is like a dog I can't read and can kill me with a single kick" is close to the perfect description of a horse.
Kangaroos are worse, to be honest
Close but not too close since itll kill ya
If horses were carnivorous we'd still be in caves.
@@overlookers You realize the Americas didn't have horses and weren't living in caves over 600 years ago, right?
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat You realize that the Americas didn't have any humans until 30,000 years ago and came from a place with horses that, thankfully, weren't carnivores, right?
Also, if America had horses why would they have lived in caves?
Gandalf being sent back to Middle earth because his purpose was not yet fulfilled is like if you called in dead to work and your boss was like "You're on the schedule until the end of the 3rd age we need you to be a team player. Also the shift lead quit to pursue evil doings so here's a manager uniform."
Note: I can’t take credit for this, but I really wanted to share it here
I can take credit for this but i won't. i disown it.
Stolen
@ yes it is, I admitted as much
I love when Faramir says, "The enemy? His sense of duty was no less than yours, I deem. You wonder what his name is, where he came from. And if he was really evil at heart. What lies or threats led him on this long march from home. If he would not rather have stayed there in peace. War will make corpses of us all."
Sauron was a result of Morgoth being a such an Influencer he was the Mr Beast of the Valar.
Rarely mentioned, but one of the best speeches in the movies, imho. Says everything about war.
@@theomnitorium7476taken quite directly from the book too. Likely a thought of Tolkien during his time in the war.
Yes, but if Im not mistaken the lines were actually Frodo's thoughts as he looked down on the fallen soldier.
Faramir is easily one of the best characters and definitely one of my favourites. I'm glad I didn't have to scroll far to see him mentioned.
Give the editor a raise for making you guys the two wizards. Unparalleled
They deserve a raise with every video, because Ben and Lawrance keep outdoing themselves!
Highkey them as the two blue wizards would be cool
That’s where they’ve bloody gone, those dogs
they really come a long way since the black horse saga
Deep cut citing “Legend of Chun Li”
Imagine that you’re a New Line executive and several months after 9/11 you turn to an intern and ask them what the title of that movie that you have invested hundreds of millions of dollars into, and then the intern turns to you and says “it’s called the Two Towers”…
I’d say “Does Spider-Man trap a helicopter between them?”
I remember there being faux-outrage at this being 'disrespectful' from people who clearly never even heard of the books.
@@li-limandragon9287 That dastardly King Cooper, ruined that trailer/shot for everyone
One of the Zelda games marketing was delayed in the UK when the Queen died because it was called "Tears of the Kingdom" 😂
well, most of the people dont' think they are the center of the world. A lot of shait happens in the world nobody cares about your little country anymore...deal with it
"Gandalf. That's what they used to call me... Gandalf the Grey. I am Gandalf with all the safety's taken off"
"Gandalf with the safety's taken off" sounds like American Gandalf
"I'm Gandalf Off Chops!"
@@Insane-Howl-Cowl ROIDED UP GANDALFMAN
Gandalf's got a drum and a switch!
The Dead Marshes were based on the Battle of the Somme. The quote “All Dead, all rotted,” is something JRRT wrote walking the Battlefield after it ended.
First use of machine guns if I remember correctly.
Tolken talks about hearing a click, click, click, click, click coming from the fog and people walking forward in line just start screaming and dying.
@@andrewcurtis2337 First use of machine guns 30 years after the maxim gun was invented and 4 years after the British army adopted the vickers machine gun?
Sam’s monologue in this always makes me very emotional. It’s so well done. “Even darkness must pass” is one of my favorite movie lines.
Mason being both a secretly posh kid and a union “kill them all” man are my favorite running jokes.
His family made millions in the guillotine industry
that's what the suit and that beard together means
I just assume Bilbo was so high all the time he just considered the ringly shadow world shit to be normal
He just smokes his pipe and throws on the ring.
"...whoa..."
I think we should keep the Gandalf and Saruman figures doing the podcast in middle earth forever.
I believe the kid whose sword Aragorn appraises says he’s Hama’s son, and Hama is the guard who is killed by the warg scout.
jep
Lmao I love the veiled threat of them watching the extended editions to Ben and Lawrence
I just love veiled threats. And veils.
9:52 may be the single best editor's joke on the channel. I love the butts and the things, but something about how stupid it is, paired with the fact Mason somehow lost track of who they're talking about almost mid-sentance, really tickled me.
I lost my shit at that owl! Comedy GOLD!!
The best will always be Tobey maguire lipsynching James saying ‘he’s still out there!’
@Yan-tz9pn which video is this in i’d love to see it
@Haydenod69 one of the Zach Snyder movies. I think batman v superman but could be Zach Snyders justic league
@@Haydenod69 BvS iirc. Theyre talking about Martian man hunter and its amazing 😂
Hard agree on James' Bernard Hill comments. Incredible performance that hits you every time!
3:03 I love that this scene is getting some play. It is such a great teamwork moment. It really gives you a sense of the fellowship being stronger than ever.
The opposition to the menu line has always been a strange one to me. Orcs have to eat. I'm sure in the strongholds they're not just fending for themselves. There must be some kind of mess hall and it's the job of some orcs to prepare food for the others. As soon as there are two or more options for things they could eat, that's a menu. It doesn't have to be some extensive, fancy thing with caviar and scallops and what have you. Gruel with chicken bits, gruel without chicken bits. There. A menu
Orc culture never struck me as one that prepared food for others, or one that 86’d an item and then brought it back… putting it back on the menu.
In my head you two are Merry and Pippen.
Merry and Pippen whole stole Gandalf and Saruman’s clothes and are pretending they’re wizards
but, like, their smaller, older sons
Yes. That's the vibe.
The assumptions made about the length of Gandalf’s fall are based on a gravitational acceleration equal to earth. However, based off the distance that Legolas’s elf eyes can see, the curvature of middle earth is less than that of earth, suggesting that it is a more massive planet. Assuming a similar density to earth that would mean an even greater gravitational acceleration, meaning Gandalf fell even further. This fact blew Peter Jackson’s mind, which is why the working title for the film was “the Blue Harvesting Towers,” which incidentally is very similar to the working title of Star Wars.
Canonically the earth is flat for the Elves because they're magical beings, this apparently also helps them see further.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!!! 🎉🎉🎉
@@theinventor0 It's flat only for the elves, and curved for everyone else? That is wild!
It canonically was flat until the end of the Second Age when the Numenoreans broke the rules and sailed to Valinor. Eru Illuvatar sank the island of Numenor and reshaped the planet into a globe.
@@Dorian_sapiens their eyes just warp like scooby doo when he's scared
6:16 There’s actually two love triangles. Aragon, Arwen and Éowyn and Frodo, Sam and Gollum.
One is more excruciating than the other.
Also a third between Frodo, Gollum and Faramir - where Faramir even does the trope of "if you break his heart..." scorned love.
@@andromidiusI guess Legolas, Gimli and the XP kill count bonus counts as a love triangle too.
I never saw it as a love triangle because Aragorn never has feelings for Eowyn and makes it clear once he realizes her massive crush.
Oh the live triangle I'm behind is Legolas, Aragorn, Arwen. If they could all form a triad I'd be content.
My Lord, a second eagle has hit Orthanc
Bonk.
too soon
Too soon
17:00 I love a well placed bonk, well done Ben.
Or Lawrence
I believe Ben is doing these, with Lawrence doing the video game ones. @@andrewcurtis2337
8:54 Feeter Jackson... Is that anything?
That's Tartantino's sobriquet at those hollywood elite sex parties
I left a comment about Tarantino and it dissappeared, at least on my end it's gone, I don't know if you can see it.
I pointed out that he said some nasty stuff in an interview.
@@kevindoran9389
I see no comments about Tarantino. Sry.
@@kevindoran9389 Tarantino or Peter Jackson? Tarantino has always been rude and terrible during interviews, He is always like that.
@@iwatchstuff6786 just search "Tarantino, 13 YO party girls"
23:28 thank you, Ben and Lawrence for adding a clip of the 1978 version of the Lord of the Rings (Ralph Bakshi), which ended at the Two Towers and never touched Return of the King. There are two Rankin and Bass productions of The Hobbit and The Return of the King, but they are their own separate universes….? I guess. Would loooove for you guys to cover those, preferably drunk. Maybe a Christmas Special? A Holiday Special, one might say?
Maybe it's just nostalgia but I always liked the Rankin/Bass Hobbit. Their Return of the King isn't great, but even that has its moments (I think its version of the climactic Mount Doom scene is better than Peter Jackson's), and it ended up almost plugging the gap left by Bakshi's version never getting a part two. Apparently, that was a complete accident, not something Rankin/Bass or their Japanese collaborators ever planned on happening.
@ still watch the animated Hobbit every now and then. It is hard to not get annoyed by Bilbo all the time though. “what AREEEE moon runes?”
From memory: there are 2 blue wizards that suck, a brown wizard (Radagast) that cares not for much but the animal kingdom, and then Gandalf the Grey, who wasn't supposed to reach the heights he did, and Saruman the White who changed his robe to that "of many colours" when he betrayed the Valar and the people's of Middle-earth. Peter Jackson didn't do the cloak (or robe?) of many colours in the movie, but that was Saruman's new drip. And then Gandalf took Saruman's old title of "The White" after coming back.
Interestingly, Saruman was really playing BOTH sides more in the books. He wanted to rule by eventually usurping Sauron. That aspect got muddied a bit when translated to film.
Side Note: Bob Anderson did not do the choreography or fight as Darth Vader in Star Wars ‘A New Hope’ but he did choreograph the lightsaber duels and he did perform the sword fights in the Darth Vader suit for Star Wars ‘The Empire Strikes Back’ and ‘Return if the Jedi’. In SW ANH the duel choreography was done by stunt coordinator Peter Diamond and actual Darth Vader actor David Prowse did the sword fight in ANH.
That makes a lot more sense, the Duel in Empire is rad. The Duel in New Hope looks like it was choreographed by... no-one
My favourite part of this film was when Frodo turned to Bilbo and said “Bilbo! They’ve hit the second tower!!”
The eagles. The eagles have hit the second tower
I heard that was just a plot by Rohan to... something something.
I heard there was another one on its way to Rivendell, but it got shot down over a field!
Everyone knows Mount Doom can't melt Evil Rings!
Somehow an Eagle managed to sneak his way past Gondor to his the city of Osgiliath as well
I wouldnt say "the elves" showed up at helms deep.
SOME elves showed up. Like, a company or so. I imagine a confrontation where a bunch of them go "screw you you cowards, those are our friends, this needs doing, me and my mates are going. See you in hell or at the gray havens whichever comes first. Charge!"
I like to think it was just a whip-around to see which elves were tired of living. They probably build up and start bumming everybody out.
Company? The term company doesn’t really fit in a fantasy setting
Aragorn ain't a descendant of the Dunedain, he *is* a Dunedain. That's the fancy word for the rangers of Numenorean descent. He is a descendant of the Numenor people!
Technically still a descendant of dunedain
3:20 - "Walking through the raindrops" reference from Legend of Chun-Li.... perfection. PERFECTION!
13:30 - Hama, his father, is the guy who lets Gandalf keep his staff entering Edoras, and later takes a bite to the face by the first warg. So he's sadly gone at this point.
Hama in the book is equally useless but he is mourned and serves as motivation for Theodan.
@li-limandragon9287 I liked how they gave him a few character moments in the films and included his son to flesh out the feeling of loss in wartimes.
5:01 crazy thing for someone to say when they host the "thoughts and prizes" segment 🤔
Faramir was also in Moulin Rouge. The lyricist who got pissed off and left after the bohemians loved Ewan McGregor’s lines more.
I loved when said “Moulin Rouge will make corpses of us all”
He can't help playing second fiddle can he
Holy cow. This is by far the best edited episode thus far. All that horse footage. Mad puns. Well done.
leGOluss is my favorite pronunciation so far
My parents say “Leggylass”
that’s truly adorable
It's perfectly annoyingly funny
I love Gandalf-the-fashionably-White, fresh from the salon, cresting the hill and coming to the rescue with those classic words penned by Tolkien, "I got a horse and some sun!" 🧙🏼♂😆
I have to admit, I really don't like the change to Faramir in the movie. The whole point of his lack of temptation was to show that despite him not being as physically strong as his brother, his inner strength was what the world really needed. Him being tempted by the ring kind of ruins that aspect
I always view his temptation as different, Boromir was tempted by the ring with the intention to control it. Faramir wasn’t tempted by the ring itself he was tempted by the chance to as his father puts it ‘show his quality’ and what better way than giving him the one ring. But hey I’m probably wrong and at the end of the day it doesn’t make a huge difference
@@mattew0113The idea in the book is that Frodo and Sam are dead certain Faramir will be tempted after the Boromir stuff and yet he just refuses it outright.
It works for the movie because Frodo’s plot is extremely dull otherwise, but it does make Faramir weaker as a character.
Don’t you think being tempted, but overcoming it is showing greater strength in a way? A bit like when people saying being brave is only possible if you’re scared?
@@mattew0113Nah, I prefer this take too: it also has the additional benefit of not immediately removing the dramatic weight of the Ring by not having a character just going "nah, I'm alright ta"
@@geoffishy Boromir didn't overcome it. He fell to it. And then he died defending the other two because outside of the ring's power he was a good person. Faramier didn't feel temptation because he was never motivated by power and never held the ring.
Only Two Towers? Those are Rookie numbers.
Legolas! I'm on two already!
say that again…
One day we might have Three Towers!
@@TristanLane520The Two Towels: A Hitchhiker’s Guide Sequel
The Rookie's number ?
I know a lot of people dislike the changes they made to Faramir (and Aragorn to some extend) compared to the books, but I've always liked that both characters struggle a bit more before they find the right path - it makes it more impactful when Faramir finally decides to give up the ring and help Frodo, and when Aragorn accepts his duties as a king despite his worries about Isildur's failings.
To me Faramir isn’t the problem (he’s cooler in the book tho) it’s Frodo and Sam, they got the worst adaptation changes in the adaptation. Movie Frodo is goddamn useless and annoying, he’s got no spine whatsoever while movie Sam is a clingy boyfriend who gets pissy and whiney.
In the book Frodo is the most mature of the four Hobbits given he’s supposed to be 50 years old like Biblo was in the Hobbit, while Sam in the book has got real depth to him, even beyond loving Frodo.
I actually like movie Aragorn a bit more, him rejecting the throne is so much more fun than him running around all hoity toity showing his beautiful sword around.
They didn’t bring up the best part of the movie in my opinion. Which is Sam’s speech at the end, I find it beautiful and inspiring.
I am once again on my knees!!! Begging for the fifth element caravan of garbage!!
I want a review of Stargate.
Multipass!!
Oh, yes please!
The Fifth Element is one of the most overrated movies in the history of movies. It's a movie about a ball of death and five rocks that have to be collected so the characters have something to do to stop ball of death.
"what should our big inciting incident be? What should the plot revolve around?"
"I dunno, lets just call it the death ball till we come up with something good. Let's focus on Mila Jovavich's outfits first."
Did you stub your toe while crawling out from under the rock you came from?@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
5:07 “I don’t think anything. I’ve never had a thought. You know that. I’m not gonna start with that one, either.” 😂 instant classic
Don’t worry James, the real prizes are the thoughts we made along the way…
That, and all the sweet prizes I got. Did you not get any prizes? Cause I did.
I'm loving Maso and James as Gandlaf and Saruman lol
Gandlaf and Surryman, me favorite wizards
Amazing perspective: “This swords alright. If you die, it’s your fault…”
My childhood friend and I and our two wives would hold a Lord of the Rings day every year for about 5 years where we would watch the extended additions of all 3 movies back to back.
Yes, that is over 11 hours, but we would run our own commentary, drink a lot, and make themed food during it.
We started out just watching it on a TV, but by the final iteration we were watching it on a giant projection screen that was the entire width of my living room.
Fortunately for me, I didn't have kids at the time, and I had a good paying teaching job in New Jersey in the United States, so I used some of the bad math too much money I accidentally saved up each year for the summer to buy a $900 projector (in 2009 $) and a $300 automatically lowering and raising Projection screen. It's still there in 2024 & still used, a solid investment
If you guys are looking back at the Lord of the Rings movies and the craze around it, I think you should look into The Lord of the Rings Strategy Battle Game aka LOTR Warhammer from Games Workshop. It was a crazy crazy success for the company, they had a pretty deep cooperation with the movie production and Weta Workshop. Some of the GW sculptors/staff were extras in the movies (the Perry Brothers were riders of Rohan, one of them is missing an arm! (He lost in in a cannon misfire in a historical re-enactment battle)) For a brief time I think the LOTR miniature sales overtook WH 40k. They changed their monthly magazine to have a major focus on LOTR, with each side of the magazine having a different cover but upside down to each other, you'd read the warhammer or LOTR section then flip over to read the rest.
Absolutely love you guys, but I'm kinda disappointed that you didn't mention the famous quip about Gandalf telling everyone to run so that he could take all the exp for himself and come back all levelled up with new gear.
Much love
So you’re telling me this movie with an all-Star cast, hundreds of extras, a ton of real sets and models, a small armies worth of costumes, armor, weapons, prosthetics, puppetry, and intense battle scenes costs 94 Million…meanwhile Joker 2 cost over 200 million.
The real Two Towers are the friends we made along the way
9:11 - Honey, lemon, and ginger gave stomach aches? I guess raw dead skinny rabbittsis, rotten fish skin and fruit flies are more Gollum, he was very committed to the role :)
AraGON and LegAhLas is killing me
Both hail from Kriptin.
@@imarobobot8795 Probably robits.
"I don't know how anybody made these, it doesn't even make sense to me" I don't even know if this is a joke, I literally have the same exact thought every time I rewatch these movies. Like, I can't even picture where one would begin with a task so monumental. It's like trying to imagine how we put a man on the moon.
Gollum is the ultimate depiction of a junkie.
Agreed, except Gollum is better than junkies, because at least he's ruined his life for something amazing, instead of ruining his life to pass out in The Tenderloin for six hours.
We've all seen a Gollum once or twice
I really don’t know if it’s a fresh take but he’s an emaciated lacking in any sort of nutrients who only goes outside to go off on adventure drop off some expensive metals
12:13 was really windy. That flag was originally an accident, Jackson loved it, became part of the film. Unsure whether the flag is allegory or supposition tho
0:14 Hopefully you guys do the Extended Editons of LOTR movies in future videos
Fun fact, Dominic Monaghan actually did the motion capture for Gollum in the first film!
Also fun fact but not from this movie, C3P0 actor Anthony Daniels provided the voice of the original Legolas in the 1978 animated movie version of LotR.
Between the Who/Hoot and the Ru Paul Ent, the editing is killing me 😂
@13:30 That kid is Haleth son of Hama. His dad was the guard at Edoras who let Gandalf keep his staff. He dies in the books somewhere else I think... but in the movie he gets eaten by a warg. So that is why Aragorn takes a moment to comfort him, he knows his dad is dead and was a pretty good bloke.
It’s the second installments that made me fall in love. The twin towers, the empire strikes back, Spiderman 2, chamber of secrets- saw these before the others and just never looked back… well technically I did
My childhood self was a big fan of ents. Still on board.
The problematic part of this one is that they didn't show the Balrog's family. I hope they include Momrog and Kidrog in a supplemental tv show to make it right
Can't wait for the next one with the Dawntreader!
Glad they added more action because that book is a snorefest.
@@li-limandragon9287 when they announced that movie I was very curious how they were going to handle it because while it's a good book, it's not really exciting for a big budget blockbuster. I did like the film though and thought they did a pretty good job at it.
"There's a love triangle"
Honestly giving it too much credit. Considering the ages of Aragorn and Arwen (80+), it's more like Eowyn is a toddler crushing on their babysitter
Why did I genuinely gasp at "Thoughts & Prizes"??
Because TODAY'S THE DAY!
Interesting fact, because the film's special effects were much more complex than the previous film, it required a lot more blue-screen work than the first film, which led to the crew jokingly saying that the film was a sort of "Blue Harvest", which was coincidentally the working title of the original "Star Wars" from 1977
14:50
A little bit of Arwen is actually still in the battle at Helm's Deep. At the climax, when Theoden leads the charge down the ramp (12:42 in this video), you can see two white horses. The one in front, next to Aragorn, is Arwen.
Looks like content's back on the menu, boys!
6 trivias is just the extended edition of the 2 trivias
I’d love if BigSandwich would do a play of Shadow Of Mordor/War… be fun to see James mess with orcs in the nemesis system
That game builds off of the Jackson films' orcs so well. Orc corporate ladder simulator is not a game we asked for, but it's so good.
You didn't even mention where they're taking the Hobbits
to Isengard to Isengard
To taco bell for second breakfast
Your editors are so good!
I had nearly lost hope of seeing Doctor Who clips in these, but right near the end you came through with a totally relevant clip (even if it's from The Lodger, not the greatest episode). Thank you for your kindness and dedication.
That horse bonk broke me 😂😂😂
I don’t know if you guys will see this but my favourite piece of trivia is at helms deep. When the old man. “Bruce. RIP” accidentally let’s go of his arrow and killing the fist orc, Aragorn says hold in elvish because he thought only an elf could have made that shot
I wish the entire LOTR trilogy had like fantasy music, but for that one single scene of Gandalf walking as the bros fight guards, they just throw in "THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN!!!". Really would have elevated the level of cinema
Any scene with that trio being mates just cut in that song no matter what the vibe is beforehand
5:00 - "I don't think anything. I've never had a thought. You know that."
The inventor/presenter of Thoughts and Prizes just admitted to never having a thought.
Aha! Got im!
How come this channel has loads of SEO playlists, but the about section just says "Movies I guess?". The duality.
Gandalf recapping his fight with the Balrog:
"We were both having a bad time"
the Thoughts and Prizes segment was so funny I literally couldn’t breathe
11:55 I love the ever expanding folder of custom one-off PNGs on Ben/Laurence's PCs all cuz James and Mason can't help but make random asides
The Battle of Helm's Deep here completely blew me away at age 17 seeing it on the big screen. I thought the depiction of the Battle in the 1978 animated Ralph Bakshi version was pretty bad-ass in its own way, but the first time I saw THIS version, I was totally at the edge of my seat with my eyes popping out and my bottom jaw just hanging down like a swinging door hinge, at a loss for words. Definitely a life-defining moment at the movies just like the first and last installments.
I remember watching the extended edition behind the scene stuff and they’re talking about how much Tolkien loved trees then a few hours later the sound guys are like “to get the Ent noises we just chopped down a bunch of trees indiscriminately.” Like… it worked and it sounds great but uh
You all better not be lying about doing the extended edition I better see those videos in my feed next year or something. Also please do the shadow of Mordor series at some point
If you really want a David Wenham role jumpcut: Moulin Rouge. Black wig, red lipstick, flowing sleeves, playwright. Absolute legend.
Can we get an extended edition of Thoughts and Prizes?
With a commentary track?
Please do one more “That guy who says Rodney” compilation before the end of the year! It’s my only request!
- This is my ninth time asking - one for each Ringwraith
13:32 regarding the kid's dad: it's actually the first guy who gets eaten by the warg in the ambush. the guy we see with the king a lot, until we don't, because he gets eaten by a warg
Although James and Maso failed to give tribute, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you to Ben and Lawrence/Lawrence and Ben! You gentlemen make these nearly half hour videos so entertaining with your editing. I probably would've given up if not for your efforts!
So thank you so much!!!!
My favourite thing about this is that it was uploaded raw yesterday and I just assumed that's how they wanted it. And now I have to watch it again for the edits.
Faramir ignoring the ring is also why they didn't include Tom Bombadill, because if they spend all the start of the movie hyping up how powerful the ring is, but then include a character that gandalf says "is immune to it and he'd just forget about it and lose it", it robs the ring of all the power they've built up.
21:45, goddamn, Collings or Ben or Lawrence, you've gotten a literal LOL again.
I love that everyone remembers Sam as a great friend and hero. But like, he's absolutely the reason Gollum doesn't find any redemption. I dunno, if they'd just been kind, they could've thrown the ring into the fire, Gollum would just die of old age eventually, and Frodo would have all his fingers
Yeah in the books it's a bit clearer that that is Sam's big flaw, and Frodo is genuinely wiser and kinder than him. He's never fooled by Gollum and genuinely wants to help him for altruistic reasons.
“We only have so much life left to live” is also when I think every time I ponder adding another game to my steam backlog.
13:29 That kid is actually the son of Hama, the guy who gets eaten by a Warg earlier in the movie. So yeah, his dad sorta is taking a nap. A very long one.
James-Dalf and Mas-ruman need to be a thing now. Monty Python-esque animations will abound.
Gandalf falling into the underground Lake with the balrog is my favourite shot in the entire trilogy.
3:20 why does that song work so well 😂 great editing
Just watched the entire extended trilogy, took me three days but I did it and have no regrets