My girl is a jeweler and she says polishing in one direction gives you far less shine than cross hatching since you end up making valleys instead of getting a uniform smooth surface. Just a lil thing I thought was worth mentioning.
She's right but there may be more to it than that. The randomized scratch pattern will bounce light in more directions. Which we perceive as sparkle. Why we like sparkle is interesting too. Sparkle imitates what clean water looks like in bright sunshine. So it triggers instincts in us.
Hot wheels monster truck drag race has to be the best tool test I have ever seen. My harbor freight tool has been dragged off the table by my dogs at least 50 times. Still kickin.
I find the best adds are the ones you don’t even notice, Nitto tires has been sponsoring RUclipsrs for ever but have never made them do a real ad for their company if my memory is correct. They understand that by exposing a large audience to their product, and it’s a good enough product, they’ll sell units. Tires can be the most expensive thing most people will ever buy for their vehicle especially if you buy Nittos. Coopers used to be the only tire I’d trust on my ride but since they got sold to Goodyear I had to look at other options.
💲 RUclips is forever hitting me up to buy into them, so I don't get to see any ADs ; but if the ads are incorporated within the program channel like this, then you are still gonna get ads
I have the Chicago Electric "rotary tool" replaced a very old Dremel. While the new Dremels are surely nicer, it is nicer, more powerful, and heats up less then my old Dremel did. I've had it about 2 years, but I remember when I got it being very impressed and thinking... "even if I have to replace it every year, there's no way the Dremel is worth the price difference"
That's what I'd like to see if it's possible. I bought a Chicago Electric rotary tool a few years ago. I use it very infrequently and it's starting to die.
Talking long term, I'd have to recommend the Dremel brand. I've had mine for 30 plus years, most of my 35 plus year mechanic career, and it's still going strong. As I was told by an old timer when I first got into the industry, "Service your power tools, and they will serve you well."
Gee wait, taking care of machinery extends its life? Wow (Not sarcasm towards you, but to those who cry about their tools breaking in a year or two when they've never done any maintenance on them at all)
YEEEEESS! Car jack country is full of surprises! I had a mid-range priced jack a couple years ago, and it started drooping and leaking oil wayyy too early (after being used like 3-4 times, well within ranges of intended use)
I would probably look more at typical floor jacks. Scissor jacks should really only be used in emergency situations, or to provide some clearance to get a floor jack underneath if the car is too low
@@spazmaticaa7989 Yep, I've had about 5 scissor jacks fail on me in my lifetime. Thankfully only while lowering or raising the vehicle to place actual jack stands. It's still a bit scary though, and is the reason people say to never work under your car with just a scissor jack.
There are a few factors in choosing a tool: -How often will you use it? -Can it do things other tools can't? -How big of an improvement it would be to have it, rather than using other tools? -Would the quality of the tool matter much (i.e. if it's more of a hassle to use it, than to use something else)? Those indicate first if you need this tool, and if it's worth investing in. There are some very specific, one use-case only tools, that you use like once a year maybe, but without them, life's pain that one time a year, like screw/bolt extractors. There are also some multi-function tools, that don't do anything better than any of the dedicated tools, but are an all-in-one package, like a Leatherman multi-tool. There are also tools that you'd think you wouldn't use much, that can be easily be substituted with other cheap tools, that can't do much, but the things they can do, mean they're an important part of the toolbox - that's a rotary dremel tool. In this case, if you need a small, precise cutter, where an angle grinder would be too big, if you need to drill a pilot hole into something, where a normal drill would be too big, if you need to polish something, and a polisher would be too big, and using sandpaper would be too much of a hassle, it's absolutely perfect. The quality of the tool and the speed of it doesn't matter THAT much. So yeah, go with a cheap one, and you're set.
@@fatpad00 kind of, but the issue is with the tool and it's compatibility with the accessories, or vice versa - if the most common/best accessories fit the tool. There are some cheap brands that use some proprietary standards or attachment methods that vastly limit their compatibility. That's a part of the quality of the tool and the hassle of use, which includes finding the bits, needing to order them from China or whatever, instead of getting the off the shelf or a quick shipping. That being said, in terms of a rotary yes, the accessories matter a lot, but if they're interchangeable, then the quality of the tool matters a lot - the ability to control the speed of the tool, how comfortable it is to use (i.e. ergonomics), the durability of the motor, the specs of it etc. Basically the things that you can't change but will impact your use of the tool. BUT, it's also worth pointing out, that in terms of a rotary, it's very important to remember, HOW TO USE the tool, that it's not a torque tool, but a speed tool. I've seen many people complain about them getting stuck or slowing down or overheating due to pushing hard to do the job faster, instead of using it as intended.
My philosophy has always been, if I want a tool, buy the cheapest one possible, abuse it till it breaks, then buy a replacement, now armed with basically all the information in your list. Usecase, ergonomics, etc. Once you know what you dislike about a cheap one, you can shop for a mid or high end to suit your needs
@@jakezanders6598 That's not a bad idea, but I'm a person that uses hates buying something sub-par, that hates wasting money, so I spend hours or days researching, spending time rather than money.
@@rubbers3 makes sense. In a professional setting, I value my time way more than a few cheap tools. And I suppose I'm really only thinking of sub $200 tools anyways. I wouldn't do that with a table saw or something like that
I have a Dremel Tool that my Grandfather bought in the early to mid 60's that works very good, if you could see the stuff he made with it, a adjustable wrench that looks like the real thing with moving jaws, a copy of his Stanley 16oz claw hammer, a complete Chess Set that looks store bought and the big one that never got finished as he passed away was a clock, with all the parts made out of wood, he was down to figuring out the springs he would need. He has built other things from wood that would just blow your minds.
Don't you think that the drop test was a little unfair? If you look closely, the "rotary tools", the Harbor Freight one fell a bit more sideways, causing it to not hit the and bend the shaft as much. The other ones pretty much had a direct hit with the shaft. It might have been better to do a more controlled drop.
It's better to use something like an impactor, like a weight on a pendulum that way you know all of the tools are getting hit the same way with the same force. When you drop them you can't control HOW the tool will fall even if you drop them from a jig or something.
Yeah I noticed that too. They definitely need a more consistent test for the impact durability section. It's kind of pointless if they just land willy nilly. I bet if the harbour freight landed chuck side first it would be just as broken as the others.
Yes. Control the variables and get valid comparisons that may indicate a high probability of a consistent repeated outcome or expectation that can be logically derived from the testing observations.
As much as I agree with you about the variability of the drop test, well actually all of the tests, I still think it got one point across. No matter what brand you get an unfortunate drop will damage it. Just because you payed 6 times as much for the Dremel it doesn't mean it will take the abuse shown in the video and not be damaged. Yes they could have made a more scientifically relevant test to show exactly how much force it takes to damage the tool, but in the end it's more that you should try to not drop it from a ladder in the first case. Measuring the power draw would have been interesting as it would show if the ratings on the box were actually true. Then compare the thermals as what's not going into making the spindle turn is going to generate heat. The less heat the more mechanical power. Still this is once again something that's hard to measure reliable as a efficient fan can blow a lot of that heat out of the tool body. Finally put them in a jig with a constant friction to see what it takes to stall them and end it with a burnout test where they are left to run under load until they fail. My expectation would be that the Dremel should last the longest, simply because at that price the materials used should be better. However I'm in no way sure about that. A friend of mine worked sorting warranty claims for Bosch and Dremel tools a few years back. I think it was just after Bosch bought Dremel. And I remember him talking about the quality of Dremel tools in words that were not to flattering. I do remember him talking about a jeweler who complained about the runout of the chuck on a Dremel they'd bought. He measured it and had a chat with his contact at Dremel who just said that sure there were some runout, but these were cutting and polishing tools, not precision tools. If they wanted a power tool with a lot better tolerances then they would have pony up a lot more money and buy some other brand. I've used both Dremel and other rotary machines, and in general the Dremel machines feel better, both as in the materials used, the molding used and in the ergonomic design. However one machine from Black & Decker was actually better in the hand and more "agile" to work with. However it had pronounced runout making it eat cutoff disks and drill bits. Now what really makes a big difference is the tools used. And here I think Dremel has pretty good quality. They also have an incredible width of tools, but unfortunately they do tend to be very expensive. The cheap brands tends to sucketh badly when it comes to tool quality. Cheap cutoff discs are my pet pewee. The cheap stuff just tends to dissolve when the disc meats the metal. I've had cutoff disks that seemed to simply melt. I remember a cut that ate four of the cheap ones, not because they exploded but because they simply wasn't tough enough. At the same time a Dremel brand cutoff disk did a copy of that cut in one go with a good deal left after the cut was finished. Now there's something I would like to see tested. What brand of cutoff disks for these rotary tools last the longest, cuts the fastest, and at what cost?
Something I learned recently is that Dremels are actually VERY user serviceable which is a huge plus. Had one with a blown board and just bought the part for 6 bucks.
We bought ours I believe over 8yrs ago and still going strong. Lots of support and high quality parts on top of great warranty. Use the tool adequately for what it’s fcking designed to be used for and you’ll see years of usage. Sad to say, but too many people use tools for the wrong applications and then complain when it fails🤦♂️
I dropped my battery powered dremel in the water bucket I keep below my belt grinder (so it is full of steel particles). I wouldn't turn on after that. So I just took it apart, cleaned everything out with qtips and rubbing alcohol, and it went back to working like it did before.
ive had a rotary tool from walmart (hyper brand) for over 4 years, and it is still going strong. i personally feel these are one of those tools where you can get away with a cheaper brand but spend a bit more on the accessories.
Dremel accessories are over priced. The cheap tools fail in crucial points like switches, collet slips, speed controller. And most likely in the worst possible time.Like most tools If you use one everyday get a branded one. If you use it once a month get a cheap one … maybe.
@@TheLexiconDevils my policy is first buy of a tool, get the cheap one. If it breaks, then investing in the more expensive one is worth it. If it doesnt, well then you saved a bit of cash.
If it weren't for safety glasses, I would have lost an eye to a broken Chicago electric brand rotary bit... So I can agree lol though I wouldn't go lower than midrange for any tool you want to use frequently.
I used to sell Dremel back in the day and the single biggest factor was the type of bearings in the tool. Bronze bushings are pretty good and are perfectly good for occasional use, but if you are using the tool day in and out, you want ball bearings or better.
I recently bought an Ultra Dremel, it's a beast and gets everything done for me. I feel like the drop test really depends on how the tools impacted. Bit first? Back first? Cord first? That definitely could change the damage done. Great video though!
Yeah I think there needs to be a more consistent test for that category. The Harbour freight landed flat on the side where as the others landed bit side first and took them out.
It was obvious the Harbour freight one landed on its bit and the real Dremel one landed exactly on its side…. Not a controlled variable at all…. So not scientifically valid…. Fun and hey…’MURICA I guess…. Low standards…. Sad.
Thought the same thing so I watched the drops in .25x speed. The 2 that broke landed head first. Harbor Freight landed on the side. I know these tests were more for humor than anything but I'd hate to see someone use these results as a way to determine which one to actually purchase. My Dremel works good as new and it's over 20 years old.
as a person who works at harbor i definitely recommend adding the extended warranty for any item you buy, especially if it’s something that you use for work or business it’ll save you a lot of money🙌
I would always take the Dremel. I've used cheaper rotaries, but I prefer the Dremel because it can usually be set slower in speed, and it holds the speed more consistent to cheaper ones, also the torque is usually stronger with Dremel. And I like that you can get a lot of ad-ons for the tool, which makes it super versatile
@@rogerivy2919 Yep, that's another good point👍 I can definitely say that the original Dremel tool that I now own already lasts longer than the non-dremel one that I owned before.
That Chicago Electric one used to cost $9.99. I've had one for almost six years & beat the shit out of it. Never let me down! Awesome video guys. The drop test was the best part for sure. Haha.
I’m not against sponsored content, but I think Donut definitely does their ads the best. Especially since I find genuine utility for my car from their ads
If you get a Dremel definitely get the wireless one it's so worth it not having a cord to have to plug in plenty of power and battery life (Been using the Dremel 8220 for over 2-1/2 years every day multiple hours a day battery is still good been dropped multiple times no issues hella convenient for a job site with no power)
@@cognizancecognizance8815 even if you’re trying to do Sarcasm = failed. Funny = failed. Clever = failed. Troll = failed. Cordless tools have been around since before I was able to use them. And that’s longer than Tesla’s have been around. Shoot Elon was still working for PayPal and cordless tools were already being used. They weren’t very good and used nickel cadmium batteries I belibe but they were still there.
@@ardz. They aren’t truly incorrect. Nikola Tesla did invent a form of wireless electrical connection with the tesla coil however long ago, it’s just really inefficient. The comment is probably about elon but there’s still a chance it’s not.
I bought a real Dremel brand Dremel in like .. 2007 and I still use it. It looks 100% exactly the same as the Goxawee, which is interesting. Even down to the control switch thing and the stub to keep it from spinning when you mount a new disk or tool.
One thing I would’ve loved to see is your subjective impressions. As a professional mechanic, most of my tool choices come down to how the tool feels. A harbor freight cheapy can usually get the job done, but when it comes to using it every day, the tools that feel the best make a big difference!
_most of my tool choices come down to how the tool feels_ - Even more importantly, how long it will last before you have to replace it! The issue of quality fade has gotten so infuriating that it seem as though merely expecting a product you bought to just work is too much to ask nowadays.
I was looking for a Dremel 4300 at first, but for Christmas the company I work at gave a giftcard for a site that had all kinds of bullshit. But they also had a SKIL rotary tool, 1/3 the price of the Dremel and honestly just as practical. For most rotary tools it's better to go cheaper on the tool and a bit more expensive on the working bits like grind wheels and drills.
Fun to watch these tests. I have to say I agree. I would get a less expensive tool... especially with the "anything goes" warranty at Harbor Freight. Even after the warranty purchase, you'd be spending WAY less. If you use one of these ALL the time, maybe a high-end Dremel is the way to go. If not, spend less and still get the job done. I have a harbor freight impact gun. Some people complain about how long they last in reviews (of course everything has a few bad reviews). I use mine regularly, but not daily for the last 3 or 4 years. It's held up great... even removing lug nuts.
Harbor freight makes decent tools for non heavy duty, non pro use. If it's something you've got to stake a livelihood on I go for higher quality, but if it's something for the home shop or infrequent use, it'll usually do the job just fine. Also that mural looks sharp, your friend of the channel did a great job!
came here from a video of an older guy explaining why these ez lock mechanisms weren't safe lol perfectly demonstrated with the way they fly off with extra pressure great video
@@Whatsa-jaguar-now I mean, I don't think it would be possible to drown these tools like a drill, a drill is much more durable because they're meant to drown to do underwater jobs, not much of a reason to Dremel underwater. And if there's water near your workstation, thats a problem
Great episode. Tools as they are, are just a consumable item (with the exception of specialty tools) and harbor freight has gotten much better and with their warranty and generally decent locations in many ways you can't beat it for how much you spend
@@ruikazane5123 damn, im sorry they aren't located in you're area. You could always try to go to their web site and have things shipped to you or ebay(I know having to wait for shipping sucks) best of luck I hope you can find something similar
@@hatefunwrx That's why I would be moving out of here when it becomes easy...customs here sucks and we suffered eBay orders not getting here for years and even outright nowhere I could have already made good progress on my project if not for the absurd local prices, because ordering them online at the local sites does not give you a chance to test them out before checkout and shipping is tough...
Normally I go for the budget friendly options that are just as good, but one thing to remember with the Dremel: harbor freight and Amazon noname electric motors have a spotty at best track record. But I've been using the same Dremel for about 16 years now and the only change since it was new is a few grease stains.
I also hate dremel is a forced name for all rotary tool. Dremel is just the crap expensive brand. I've bought chinese rotary tools for $10 that still work whereas the only dremel I purchased barely survived 5 months usage.
@@furyofgungnir yeah but I use a cheap one not the real dreamel because like you say they are over priced for what I’m doing. The tool it self don’t suck and they have a use. The thing is you can’t use it for the wrong job or else it will overheat or break. Like for example if you were to use a dreamel tool to grind down flat bar steel it would not work the best, for that you could use a angle grinder, or something with more power.
Mines been good for years now. I wonder what you use them for that they melt on you. Mine gets hot sometimes, but I just make sure to give it some air, and not cover the vents when I use it.
The thing I like about Dremel is there's different styles, there's the pen, the mobile and corded regular version, along with so many helpful adapters. You're paying for the name on one hand, but the other is you get a really nice useful tool from a really great company. Dremel any day
I have a different model Amazon special, it's a little beefier than the one y'all show. Honestly, having had a Dremel at work, it does the job just as good for what I use it for at a fraction of the cost.
I have had the same Dremel for 15 years, actually a 75th anniversary edition and it's been reliable. I was young when I bought it, I am just a hobbyist so it's not like I use it every, but it has been a solid tool for all these years, and I hope it last at least another 15. But if I had a friend who was looking for a rotary tool, I'd probably steer them towards the HF one, especially if it's just for a couple projects here and there.
I’ve had a Dremel (with flex shaft extension) for the last 15 years and it’s one of my best purchases. The cheapie ones are great for those shitty/dirty jobs where you don’t care about ruining a $25 tool
Ive got 2 Dremels. One is from like 1997, and looks exactly like the Harbor Freight one, and one is from 2017.. I consistently use the old one over the new one unless I need to use one of the newer attachments.
'DREMEL TOOLS - Can You Get Away With a Cheap One?' The answer is yes. For a while like 15 or 20 years ago Walmart had some clone dremel type that was only $15 or $20, and I got one. By far the smoothest running moto tool I have, the couple of very different Dremels I have both have roughly 5 times the vibration. I'll have to hunt mine up to find the name, can't remember it off hand. But it's ridiculously better than any other Dremel type I've ever used, if you keep it under about 1/3rd to 1/2 speed there is almost no vibration, so you can use it for a long time comfortably. I would literally rewind it and replace the bearings with high quality ones if it wore out before I'd buy another Dremel, it's that much better. And from it I can't help but think the main problem with most Dremels are the bearings. Spinning by hand my Dremels and all others I've tried seem like crap, that cheap as dirt clone has much smoother bearings even after a ton of use over the years.
I think the takeaway is if you use a rotary tool daily or at least weekly, then the Dremel is the one to get for longevity and ability, but if you're a hobbyist who only occasionally needs one, then the harbor freight is perfectly fine. I'd also have liked to see a different durability test where you turn them on at the same time, run them for say an hour, and see if they shutoff before and if not what temps the body of the tool are at when it's done. The original Dremel was notorious for getting hot in your hand with long use, though the new ones like the 4300 never seem to have this issue but imagine the HF or Amazon one might. Good stuff as always.
I would take the name I can trust... Dremel.... Especially for polish, detail, and grinding down sharp edges when working with light sheet metal... However, for any heavier sheet metal or automotive applications, I would probably go with an air powered grinder or air powered die grinder...
I'm glad you guys touched on this, I've owned several Dremel branded rotary tools, and I've got to say i feel let down by them, they all failed just outside the 1 year warranty period, I'd say i may have used it twice a month for light duty like cutting an m6-m8 bolt. I was so fed up with it i started shopping around and i found one for sale at 1/3 of the price with a 3 year warranty rather like your $40 tool you demonstrated. So it's been nearly 3 years since i bought it and it's still working but it is showing signs of wear, that's gotta be a win. Thanks for doing this :)
I have three rotary tool at home, a cored dremel that I leave on a mount, fixed on my workbench. The second one is a Ryobi 18v station with a flex shaft that came with a glue gun bundle. I leave the ryobi on my other workbench. The one I used the most is the m12 rotary tool. It uses all the Dremel accesories, but run on the M12 battery platform. I use this portable one on every job. If I go somewhere, the M12 is coming along! The Dremel works good, but I hated having to look for an outlet or extention everytime I needed to use it.
I had the HyperTough tool, which looks just like the Harbor Freight one. It worked well, but after about a year of very light use the little button detent wore out so I can't tighten anything onto the collet. I do make sure to only press the button with the tool stopped. On the other hand, a 20 year old Dremel 100 still works great, but it's a single speed. You can get away with a cheap tool, but cheap bits and accessories do make a big difference, they suck big time, get the name brand ones.
Hyper Tough is the Walmart version of Test Rite brand tools... they are a low cost, medium quality brand that are definitely durable for home projects. It's worth your money. Great products in my opinion
I hate the feel in hand of most hyper tough tools and maybe my use cases are a bit too much for it being as I have to maintain 120 acres of land and 15 dedicated off-road vehicles for playing and maintaining it so every tool I invest in gets heavy use and some abuse. I like a bargain as much as next person but apart from their pry bars at the local Walmart they offer nothing I can rely on. I have a a battery powered dremel I got a few years ago and I’m surprised as much as next person that it still functions today because I don’t treat it well I treat it like a tool so usually gets stored in my shed outdoors in a bucket for weeks or even months at a time.
@@Honeypot-x9s I've had the same problem. I've tried using "hyper tough" drills, rotary tools, and others from Walmart. They're not bad if you only do small things around the house but when I've tried them on more demanding projects the shortcomings are very apparent.
I've used both Dremmel and a cheaper version. The Dremmel is way louder and the speed settings are set. The cheap one had a dial and rpm display so I could have more control. As for cutting disks and such, Dremmel was way better than off brand ones and worth the extra money.
Honestly for most situations in which I need to pull out a rotary tool, that flex extension is 100% the reason why I’m using that tool for that job. I think I’ve only ever used my dremel without the flex extension once - because if I can fit the whole dremel into the space, I can usually fit the full size equivalent in there, but that’s not the case with the flex extension - lot of jobs where that was really the only way to get at something.
The Dremel is definitely worth the money long-term if you're going to be using it all the time, BUT for occasional use you can't go wrong with the Harbor Freight one. I've owned that same tool for 6+ years now, and on the rare occasions I need to use it, it does the job just fine. My rule of thumb with tools is that if it's something I'll use once in a while, go with the HF and save the money. If I end up using it enough to break it, it's worth spending the extra cash on a higher end brand.
@@pheelix- Wow, you see all, don't ya, pal? The thing is, the narrative should still make sense. The Harbour freight tool won in the end, so it makes even less sense to overlook the mistake at 6:33 But by all means keep going on thinking you're clever. Oh, and you watched a 20 min ad too, you know.
@@andoletube Not sure how the Harbor Freight tool won when the tests weren't even performed correctly. I bet if that Harbor Freight tool landed on the front like the other 2 did, it would not be working as well.
I bought a Dremel recently, which broke after only an afternoon of polishing aluminium. BUT to Dremel's credit, i sent it back to them, they fixed it for free and it has been going strong ever since, which probably wouldn't have happened with a cheaper one.
Love my cordless Dremel. Bought it over 3 year’s ago and have gotten way more use out of it than I expected. It’s just so handy for so many thing’s. I’m always finding a use for it.
My Dremel looks like the G model but both the HF and G aren’t fixable,no parts support,where the Dremel brand can be easily fixed! I’ve had mine since the 90’s and i still regularly use it! I use it on my chan in the “Mag feedlip mod” vid! Great vid as usual guys!
I love the concept of these videos but the test ware wildly inconsistent. The drag race should've use the exact same trucks (maybe just pained different) so the weight and drag is the same. Same with the durability test, Could've set up a rig that dropped from the same exact height and the same exact angle.
@@mehGyver Project Farm is a great channel, with loads of useful information. I understand where you’re coming from but side by side comparisons shouldn’t be done if not done correctly.
@@thatautogarage3644 I agree whole heartedly. My comment wasn’t aimed at yours as much as it was to sarcastically mock these clowns attempt to do tool comparisons. They’re not in it for the data and results. They’re in it only for views. So I don’t expect anything of substance from them.
@@mehGyver That I completely understand, I do enjoy watching them for some reason even though the tend to get info wrong across all the different video types. Some they nail though and it's very entertaining.
I’ve been using rotary tools for years. The quality and longevity of my Dremel is by far the best. I wish I could attach a picture of my 20 yr old Dremel because it looks WELL used and still functions today. Way better than the year or so I get out of those cheap ones.
I'd love to see torque wrenches. You guys did impact drills already but I would like to know if getting a cheap torque wrench is just as good as an expensive one.
Project Farm did a recent test on torque wrenches. Depends on your application but generally no don’t buy a cheap torque wrench. Buy a mid tier brand or used high end & get it calibrated
This matches my experience with rotary tools, had both that Dremal and also have the hypertough(walmart) one that was around $20. While I agree dremels cutting wheels and such are better I use them on the Hypertough and had similar result. Cut off so many rusted bolts on my wife's car
Thinking about grabbing the hyper tough cus I'd be using it for more like the vents and body design. Figure it would do the job nicely, specially since polishing seemed fine enough for whatever i'm trying to clean up that someone didn't take care of.
I bought a hypertough 4" grinder and I beat the absolute piss out of the poor thing. The $20 I spent 3 years ago has definitely felt better than the time I $120 and broke it shortly after.
man i never comment on y’all videos but i just be watching 2 or 3 videos every night before i sleep n i gotta say you kings and hoonigan are the best channel for the car community there’s no debate about that i don’t not care .from all from old vs new hi vs low cars cheap vs expensive to the vlogs bungalow dumb shit n testing it out to the old up top speed vid when y’all would break down the newest thing or just make a video on a car that just came out i can go go on n on just like y’all do with the vids but keep up the work boys love the high low car stuff and cheap vs expensive
I bought a Dremel kit because i needed to cut my front bumper for my front mount intercooler. Honestly glad i bought the Dremel. Its just so beefy and strong, cutting through the thick plastic didnt faze it one bit. And it came with a nice sturdy carrying case and HELLA bits that i could keep this thing forever.
@@garettjohnson2234 isn't that pretty much the same for any Harbour freight tool compared to the professional grade tools available. Even if the Dremel is 5x the cost having the parts readily available locally, yet alone to order online confidently. And in my experience most Harbour freight tools or equivalent will work pretty close to a professional grade tool. The biggest difference is after a year or two of use multiple times a week my Dremel is exactly the same as the day I bought it (with the exception of scuffs and whatnot on the tool itself) I can buy replacement discs/attachments and most basic replacement parts at the wholesaler I already purchase material from vs. Having to make annother stop. That alone is worth the price difference. On top of that I abuse my dremel alot, and it rarely bogs down on power without intentially pushing it too far. Same idea as angle grinders. I have a couple that are Harbour freight equivalent I keep at home for when I use a cut off wheel, grinding wheel, and wire cup, without having to keep switching as a convenience. But I keep my milwalkee cordless grinder in my work van to use daily, it cost as much as 3 cheap ones, but I never feel like it will leave me stranded on a job
I have dremel 4300 and HF cheapest $10 one. When something happens to the Dremel while I'm using this tool, I can think that the way I'm using is wrong, not the tool. This is great time and headache saver. HF $10 one is junk. It wobbles, vibrates, low torque, terrible.
Got one that looks exactly like that Goxavee for a bit under $14. I'm pretty sure that the rest of those $40 are for plastic box, accessories, and, mostly, shipping from China. First thing I did was open it, and, unsurprisingly, it's brains begin and end with two resistors, two resistive strips for speed slide, diode and transistor. It'll shut down when it catches fire after 10 minutes of load. Or just work.
dremel is like coke, its the name of the type of tool now,,that being said, sounds like the others have almost caught up, and being they are usually less than half the price i think that makes them the better value. Like someone said, if its your lively hood day to day, go with the dremel, but for just about anyone else in any situation, walmart or harbor freight ( hyper tough, chicago ) give you the same results and if they do break, buy another. Youd have to break several to end up spending more than with teh big D!
I think the Drop Test needed to be done better. It seemed that they varied on where they landed. Like on their fronts, are going to do more damage then the sides. I would like to see Dremel bits vs other brands as well (I got in a discussion with my father about this once, and I swore the Dremels are better)
Yeah, that's the thing with these youtubers' reviews. It's all about the fun factor. Doing the same test again is too boring and people might close the video, so they didn't care about the fairness of that part. Or maybe they'd have more traffic if a Dremel got defeated by a cheaper model, because people share it with friends. An way, all these tests were pretty unscientific. Unless you bolt three models to a bench and bring up different materials on a machine controlled platform and press it against the dremels at equal power.... it's never going to be really super useful.
Dear content creators, this was just plain fun. I've watched so many reviews, but with yours I found myself laughing as I learned. No easy task. Consider going into the teaching profession, as you have a knack for entertaining and teaching. Many, many thanks for the effort. In particular, the cutting screw head section made me laugh my butt off!
Have to say +1 comment & +1 Critique 1. You guys always make enjoyable videos and this series is no different I love this tool series!!! 2. I’d say horrible compression but LTT! They make nice & attire I actually feel comfortable wearing & by this I mean they keep it sort of vanilla… I don’t know what boost creeps means, Yota’s tacos is cool but maybe the only shirt I’d feel comfortable wearing in the real world…I bought Pop-up headlights because those are mega cool! But I doubt I’ll ever take it out of the bag it came in… If possible catch things you guys come up with, with nice artwork! I’d wear LTT merch as all my clothing but I’d never take Donut out of the house! You guys got this! 👍
have a Dremel and used to have one of those cheap $20 ones. had to cut wheel studs and alternated between them to avoid burning the motor up. the cheap one's internals simply couldn't handle the torture after a while and literally tried to catch fire. aside from the large amount of smoke and it stopped working, the plastic warped from the heat. however the old Dremel I kept pushing and it kept on going. still use it now.
I have a single speed Dremel. In order to have variable speed, I plug it into a light dimmer slid switch controller. $29.00 for the Dremel and $4.00 for the speed controller. I have used this combination for the past 5+ years. I am a designer, builder and pilot of Radio Controlled aircraft, so I use this alot.
The only thing I go for Dremel over these is the feature that Dremel can keep the rpm constant and apply automatically more torque if the load increases. Others will just drop the rmp if there is too much load applied and it will be a constant annoyance to increase rpm as it drops and prevents low rpm stuff all together.
Build quality and longevity is the most important thing with these. My mom gave me her 20 year old dremel and it’s still going strong. Used it a few months ago to port and polish my upper & lower intake manifold and clean up my cheapo headers and it was breeeeezing through the job with no issues like it was brand new I’ll pay more for quality if it means another cheap broke tool out of a landfill.
What tool should we do next?
You guys done welders yet?
Microwave
Angle Grinders.
Car jacks!!
Torque wrench
My girl is a jeweler and she says polishing in one direction gives you far less shine than cross hatching since you end up making valleys instead of getting a uniform smooth surface. Just a lil thing I thought was worth mentioning.
She's right but there may be more to it than that. The randomized scratch pattern will bounce light in more directions. Which we perceive as sparkle. Why we like sparkle is interesting too. Sparkle imitates what clean water looks like in bright sunshine. So it triggers instincts in us.
Smarrrt
@@1pcfred Random Information I'm going to remember
tell your girl that she has a really cool job
Hot wheels monster truck drag race has to be the best tool test I have ever seen. My harbor freight tool has been dragged off the table by my dogs at least 50 times. Still kickin.
Cool. I was wondering which electric toothbrush to buy, video came just in time
You and me both actually
I was searching for a ball cutter
That name avatar combo lol
You should put you profile picture as a Chevrolet logo.
Gleam is pretty nice tbh
Love it when you guys have the freedom to add humor to the adds, makes them very watchable compared to other channels
Personalize ads 🙂
I don't mind watching them I don't fast forward these.
I still dont watch them, other than sams!
I never fast forward Donuts ads. They make them unique and entertaining. Way more likely to buy from their ads and they r memorable
I find the best adds are the ones you don’t even notice, Nitto tires has been sponsoring RUclipsrs for ever but have never made them do a real ad for their company if my memory is correct. They understand that by exposing a large audience to their product, and it’s a good enough product, they’ll sell units. Tires can be the most expensive thing most people will ever buy for their vehicle especially if you buy Nittos. Coopers used to be the only tire I’d trust on my ride but since they got sold to Goodyear I had to look at other options.
💲 RUclips is forever hitting me up to buy into them, so I don't get to see any ADs ; but if the ads are incorporated within the program channel like this, then you are still gonna get ads
I love how the "Donut Classic" is just beating the shit out of whatever tools you're testing.
Big props to the graphic designers and editors, the transitions and stuff really rock!
I would love to see a mock “long term durability” test, just turn them all on high and see which one stays going for the longest
I was thinking the same.
I have the Chicago Electric "rotary tool" replaced a very old Dremel. While the new Dremels are surely nicer, it is nicer, more powerful, and heats up less then my old Dremel did. I've had it about 2 years, but I remember when I got it being very impressed and thinking... "even if I have to replace it every year, there's no way the Dremel is worth the price difference"
That's what I'd like to see if it's possible. I bought a Chicago Electric rotary tool a few years ago. I use it very infrequently and it's starting to die.
Yeah me too
I was hoping for this as well.
Talking long term, I'd have to recommend the Dremel brand. I've had mine for 30 plus years, most of my 35 plus year mechanic career, and it's still going strong. As I was told by an old timer when I first got into the industry, "Service your power tools, and they will serve you well."
Gee wait, taking care of machinery extends its life? Wow
(Not sarcasm towards you, but to those who cry about their tools breaking in a year or two when they've never done any maintenance on them at all)
A dremel from 30 yrs ago is not the quality of the current ones.
@@FirstLast-bi8xi true...
@@jackryan4313 LOL! I understood exactly what you meant. It's sad, but true.
@@FirstLast-bi8xi Yep, I also have a 30+ year old Dremel that’s going strong, but sadly I would not expect a new one to be the same.
i think car jacks would be a great idea for the next episode, from a hand/scissor jack, traditional floor jack, even an air jack
YEEEEESS! Car jack country is full of surprises! I had a mid-range priced jack a couple years ago, and it started drooping and leaking oil wayyy too early (after being used like 3-4 times, well within ranges of intended use)
I would probably look more at typical floor jacks. Scissor jacks should really only be used in emergency situations, or to provide some clearance to get a floor jack underneath if the car is too low
A showdown between jacks? One might even call it, a good ol Jack Off!
@@spazmaticaa7989 Yep, I've had about 5 scissor jacks fail on me in my lifetime. Thankfully only while lowering or raising the vehicle to place actual jack stands. It's still a bit scary though, and is the reason people say to never work under your car with just a scissor jack.
Yes do this. Comparing jacks would be useful
There are a few factors in choosing a tool:
-How often will you use it?
-Can it do things other tools can't?
-How big of an improvement it would be to have it, rather than using other tools?
-Would the quality of the tool matter much (i.e. if it's more of a hassle to use it, than to use something else)?
Those indicate first if you need this tool, and if it's worth investing in. There are some very specific, one use-case only tools, that you use like once a year maybe, but without them, life's pain that one time a year, like screw/bolt extractors. There are also some multi-function tools, that don't do anything better than any of the dedicated tools, but are an all-in-one package, like a Leatherman multi-tool.
There are also tools that you'd think you wouldn't use much, that can be easily be substituted with other cheap tools, that can't do much, but the things they can do, mean they're an important part of the toolbox - that's a rotary dremel tool. In this case, if you need a small, precise cutter, where an angle grinder would be too big, if you need to drill a pilot hole into something, where a normal drill would be too big, if you need to polish something, and a polisher would be too big, and using sandpaper would be too much of a hassle, it's absolutely perfect. The quality of the tool and the speed of it doesn't matter THAT much. So yeah, go with a cheap one, and you're set.
With a rotary tool I'd argue the accessories matter much more than the tool itself.
@@fatpad00 kind of, but the issue is with the tool and it's compatibility with the accessories, or vice versa - if the most common/best accessories fit the tool. There are some cheap brands that use some proprietary standards or attachment methods that vastly limit their compatibility.
That's a part of the quality of the tool and the hassle of use, which includes finding the bits, needing to order them from China or whatever, instead of getting the off the shelf or a quick shipping.
That being said, in terms of a rotary yes, the accessories matter a lot, but if they're interchangeable, then the quality of the tool matters a lot - the ability to control the speed of the tool, how comfortable it is to use (i.e. ergonomics), the durability of the motor, the specs of it etc. Basically the things that you can't change but will impact your use of the tool.
BUT, it's also worth pointing out, that in terms of a rotary, it's very important to remember, HOW TO USE the tool, that it's not a torque tool, but a speed tool. I've seen many people complain about them getting stuck or slowing down or overheating due to pushing hard to do the job faster, instead of using it as intended.
My philosophy has always been, if I want a tool, buy the cheapest one possible, abuse it till it breaks, then buy a replacement, now armed with basically all the information in your list. Usecase, ergonomics, etc. Once you know what you dislike about a cheap one, you can shop for a mid or high end to suit your needs
@@jakezanders6598 That's not a bad idea, but I'm a person that uses hates buying something sub-par, that hates wasting money, so I spend hours or days researching, spending time rather than money.
@@rubbers3 makes sense. In a professional setting, I value my time way more than a few cheap tools. And I suppose I'm really only thinking of sub $200 tools anyways. I wouldn't do that with a table saw or something like that
I have a Dremel Tool that my Grandfather bought in the early to mid 60's that works very good, if you could see the stuff he made with it, a adjustable wrench that looks like the real thing with moving jaws, a copy of his Stanley 16oz claw hammer, a complete Chess Set that looks store bought and the big one that never got finished as he passed away was a clock, with all the parts made out of wood, he was down to figuring out the springs he would need. He has built other things from wood that would just blow your minds.
Pick up where he left off... finish what he started and you will always have that Bond.
finish the clock man, ill help u i got a little experience
yo grandfather was a tweaker
My dad has a dermal as well, but dear god, does the thing heat up a lot. You actually can't hold the thing after running it hard for 5-10 minutes.
Don't you think that the drop test was a little unfair? If you look closely, the "rotary tools", the Harbor Freight one fell a bit more sideways, causing it to not hit the and bend the shaft as much. The other ones pretty much had a direct hit with the shaft. It might have been better to do a more controlled drop.
Amazon fell directly on the chuck for sure
It's better to use something like an impactor, like a weight on a pendulum that way you know all of the tools are getting hit the same way with the same force. When you drop them you can't control HOW the tool will fall even if you drop them from a jig or something.
Yeah I noticed that too. They definitely need a more consistent test for the impact durability section. It's kind of pointless if they just land willy nilly. I bet if the harbour freight landed chuck side first it would be just as broken as the others.
Yes. Control the variables and get valid comparisons that may indicate a high probability of a consistent repeated outcome or expectation that can be logically derived from the testing observations.
As much as I agree with you about the variability of the drop test, well actually all of the tests, I still think it got one point across. No matter what brand you get an unfortunate drop will damage it. Just because you payed 6 times as much for the Dremel it doesn't mean it will take the abuse shown in the video and not be damaged.
Yes they could have made a more scientifically relevant test to show exactly how much force it takes to damage the tool, but in the end it's more that you should try to not drop it from a ladder in the first case.
Measuring the power draw would have been interesting as it would show if the ratings on the box were actually true. Then compare the thermals as what's not going into making the spindle turn is going to generate heat. The less heat the more mechanical power. Still this is once again something that's hard to measure reliable as a efficient fan can blow a lot of that heat out of the tool body.
Finally put them in a jig with a constant friction to see what it takes to stall them and end it with a burnout test where they are left to run under load until they fail.
My expectation would be that the Dremel should last the longest, simply because at that price the materials used should be better. However I'm in no way sure about that. A friend of mine worked sorting warranty claims for Bosch and Dremel tools a few years back. I think it was just after Bosch bought Dremel. And I remember him talking about the quality of Dremel tools in words that were not to flattering. I do remember him talking about a jeweler who complained about the runout of the chuck on a Dremel they'd bought. He measured it and had a chat with his contact at Dremel who just said that sure there were some runout, but these were cutting and polishing tools, not precision tools. If they wanted a power tool with a lot better tolerances then they would have pony up a lot more money and buy some other brand.
I've used both Dremel and other rotary machines, and in general the Dremel machines feel better, both as in the materials used, the molding used and in the ergonomic design. However one machine from Black & Decker was actually better in the hand and more "agile" to work with. However it had pronounced runout making it eat cutoff disks and drill bits.
Now what really makes a big difference is the tools used. And here I think Dremel has pretty good quality. They also have an incredible width of tools, but unfortunately they do tend to be very expensive.
The cheap brands tends to sucketh badly when it comes to tool quality. Cheap cutoff discs are my pet pewee. The cheap stuff just tends to dissolve when the disc meats the metal. I've had cutoff disks that seemed to simply melt. I remember a cut that ate four of the cheap ones, not because they exploded but because they simply wasn't tough enough. At the same time a Dremel brand cutoff disk did a copy of that cut in one go with a good deal left after the cut was finished.
Now there's something I would like to see tested. What brand of cutoff disks for these rotary tools last the longest, cuts the fastest, and at what cost?
Something I learned recently is that Dremels are actually VERY user serviceable which is a huge plus. Had one with a blown board and just bought the part for 6 bucks.
We bought ours I believe over 8yrs ago and still going strong. Lots of support and high quality parts on top of great warranty. Use the tool adequately for what it’s fcking designed to be used for and you’ll see years of usage. Sad to say, but too many people use tools for the wrong applications and then complain when it fails🤦♂️
Did try to get a rotor for mine, was been priced over 80% of the MSRP. Bought cheap tool after dremel, worked actually longer then a dremel does.
I dropped my battery powered dremel in the water bucket I keep below my belt grinder (so it is full of steel particles). I wouldn't turn on after that.
So I just took it apart, cleaned everything out with qtips and rubbing alcohol, and it went back to working like it did before.
nice pfp
I mean the cheaper one too, but i only needed to remplace the brush over 6 years, and i use it a lot lot, and also drop it a lot lmao
ive had a rotary tool from walmart (hyper brand) for over 4 years, and it is still going strong. i personally feel these are one of those tools where you can get away with a cheaper brand but spend a bit more on the accessories.
Dremel accessories are over priced. The cheap tools fail in crucial points like switches, collet slips, speed controller. And most likely in the worst possible time.Like most tools If you use one everyday get a branded one. If you use it once a month get a cheap one … maybe.
@@TheLexiconDevils my policy is first buy of a tool, get the cheap one. If it breaks, then investing in the more expensive one is worth it. If it doesnt, well then you saved a bit of cash.
Had m6 dremels for 15 plus years and still Goin like new. Buy once cry once.
If it weren't for safety glasses, I would have lost an eye to a broken Chicago electric brand rotary bit... So I can agree lol though I wouldn't go lower than midrange for any tool you want to use frequently.
Hyper Tough is Test Rite brand. It's good stuff for excellent prices
I used to sell Dremel back in the day and the single biggest factor was the type of bearings in the tool. Bronze bushings are pretty good and are perfectly good for occasional use, but if you are using the tool day in and out, you want ball bearings or better.
What in an application this size would be better than a ball bearing? Roller bearing?
Thanks for the information. I would say that the most important part of the tool, as far as longevity, is the bearings, hands down!
This is one of the best series that Donut does, and a big part of it is the AWESOME chemistry between Zach and Jeremiah.
I feel like Jobe seems a lot happier as of late. Wishing you the best bud, we love all the new content ❤️
Probably because he's not rebuilding power steering racks ha
Does he have something going on? Hope he is okay if he does
Except for the new B2B isn’t as good as the old
I recently bought an Ultra Dremel, it's a beast and gets everything done for me.
I feel like the drop test really depends on how the tools impacted. Bit first? Back first? Cord first? That definitely could change the damage done.
Great video though!
Yeah I think there needs to be a more consistent test for that category. The Harbour freight landed flat on the side where as the others landed bit side first and took them out.
Also the heavier ones take a bigher hit
It was obvious the Harbour freight one landed on its bit and the real Dremel one landed exactly on its side…. Not a controlled variable at all…. So not scientifically valid…. Fun and hey…’MURICA I guess…. Low standards…. Sad.
I have the Dremel 395 @ 35,000 RPMs. It’s a beast!
Thought the same thing so I watched the drops in .25x speed. The 2 that broke landed head first. Harbor Freight landed on the side. I know these tests were more for humor than anything but I'd hate to see someone use these results as a way to determine which one to actually purchase. My Dremel works good as new and it's over 20 years old.
I splurged on a nice Dremel recently and now I just come up with random reasons to use it. Worth every penny
I use mine every chance I get, I just love it
I bought one years ago to do my dogs nails, and I use it for so much more shit than I thought.
this is another US product not keeping stuff in house. China is coming.
as a person who works at harbor i definitely recommend adding the extended warranty for any item you buy, especially if it’s something that you use for work or business it’ll save you a lot of money🙌
I would always take the Dremel. I've used cheaper rotaries, but I prefer the Dremel because it can usually be set slower in speed, and it holds the speed more consistent to cheaper ones, also the torque is usually stronger with Dremel. And I like that you can get a lot of ad-ons for the tool, which makes it super versatile
also worth mentioning durability, i think it will outlast the others
@@rogerivy2919 Yep, that's another good point👍 I can definitely say that the original Dremel tool that I now own already lasts longer than the non-dremel one that I owned before.
also if something has literally become the name of the item itself like dremel or xerox, it was likely for good reason
I got a dremel for 45$, definitely worth it
That Chicago Electric one used to cost $9.99. I've had one for almost six years & beat the shit out of it. Never let me down! Awesome video guys. The drop test was the best part for sure. Haha.
It’s still 9.99. Only 20$ in commifornia
@@mikestoms4015 Shouldn't it be free there?
Its 25$ now. But often goes on sale for 15$.
I’m not against sponsored content, but I think Donut definitely does their ads the best. Especially since I find genuine utility for my car from their ads
I've not seen anyone do ads better than Donut purely for the fact some of them are hilarious.
ya man their ads are so fun
donut is the only channel that I won't skip the ads
And they have a countdown
Except for the RAID ad. I hate RAID.
If you get a Dremel definitely get the wireless one it's so worth it not having a cord to have to plug in plenty of power and battery life
(Been using the Dremel 8220 for over 2-1/2 years every day multiple hours a day battery is still good been dropped multiple times no issues hella convenient for a job site with no power)
They finally invented wireless power.oh wait Tesla already did dat
@@cognizancecognizance8815 this is the most braindead comment i’ve seen this year
@@cognizancecognizance8815 even if you’re trying to do Sarcasm = failed. Funny = failed. Clever = failed. Troll = failed. Cordless tools have been around since before I was able to use them. And that’s longer than Tesla’s have been around. Shoot Elon was still working for PayPal and cordless tools were already being used. They weren’t very good and used nickel cadmium batteries I belibe but they were still there.
@@ardz. They aren’t truly incorrect. Nikola Tesla did invent a form of wireless electrical connection with the tesla coil however long ago, it’s just really inefficient. The comment is probably about elon but there’s still a chance it’s not.
Hell no. The batteries on those are garbage. I've had 4 go bad in 2 years. I threw my dremel away and bought a Dewalt version. Those batteries last.
I bought a real Dremel brand Dremel in like .. 2007 and I still use it. It looks 100% exactly the same as the Goxawee, which is interesting. Even down to the control switch thing and the stub to keep it from spinning when you mount a new disk or tool.
Yep, it's a dead ringer in appearance and performance to my 20 year old Dremel. IMO, it was the winner of this contest.
Donut Media is the only channel where I don't skip the sponsor placements.
When it comes to the durability test, would love to see a duration test rather than just a clumsy effer test.
One thing I would’ve loved to see is your subjective impressions. As a professional mechanic, most of my tool choices come down to how the tool feels. A harbor freight cheapy can usually get the job done, but when it comes to using it every day, the tools that feel the best make a big difference!
Can 2nd this.
My uncle was telling me a story once about how cheaper brands, he starts feeling a vibration (like something wiggling loose kind).
_most of my tool choices come down to how the tool feels_ - Even more importantly, how long it will last before you have to replace it! The issue of quality fade has gotten so infuriating that it seem as though merely expecting a product you bought to just work is too much to ask nowadays.
I was looking for a Dremel 4300 at first, but for Christmas the company I work at gave a giftcard for a site that had all kinds of bullshit. But they also had a SKIL rotary tool, 1/3 the price of the Dremel and honestly just as practical. For most rotary tools it's better to go cheaper on the tool and a bit more expensive on the working bits like grind wheels and drills.
That mural at the end looks amazing. Kudos to Riley, that’s some serious talent.
Fun to watch these tests. I have to say I agree. I would get a less expensive tool... especially with the "anything goes" warranty at Harbor Freight. Even after the warranty purchase, you'd be spending WAY less.
If you use one of these ALL the time, maybe a high-end Dremel is the way to go. If not, spend less and still get the job done.
I have a harbor freight impact gun. Some people complain about how long they last in reviews (of course everything has a few bad reviews). I use mine regularly, but not daily for the last 3 or 4 years. It's held up great... even removing lug nuts.
We need a 1/2 Impact test!! it would be SOOOO helpful for any mechanics here (me being one)
check out the tourque test channel
Torque test channel
Heres your sticker
They did one like 3 month ago
@@DrBonesFolo That was a 3/8 drive impact test, I want to see a 1/2 drive impact test.
This might be my favorite donut program of all time. Absolutely love the concept, and the chemistry of Jobe and
Jeremiah is off the charts.
Harbor freight makes decent tools for non heavy duty, non pro use. If it's something you've got to stake a livelihood on I go for higher quality, but if it's something for the home shop or infrequent use, it'll usually do the job just fine.
Also that mural looks sharp, your friend of the channel did a great job!
came here from a video of an older guy explaining why these ez lock mechanisms weren't safe lol perfectly demonstrated with the way they fly off with extra pressure great video
I think i'm still gonna stick with my Dremel. Though now I have a very concrete reason to NOT drop it off the top of a ladder.
The harbor freight hit on the side, and the Dremel hit on the chuck. So, just don't drop it on the chuck, I guess
Is your concrete reason a concrete floor?
I am disappointed there was no actual torture test.
@@Whatsa-jaguar-now the part where they hold the tools’ families hostage is on the donut underground
@@Whatsa-jaguar-now I mean, I don't think it would be possible to drown these tools like a drill, a drill is much more durable because they're meant to drown to do underwater jobs, not much of a reason to Dremel underwater. And if there's water near your workstation, thats a problem
This is my new favorite series by you guys. So interesting. So informative. Keep them coming 💖
Zack and Jeremiah together is absolutely hysterical.
Great episode. Tools as they are, are just a consumable item (with the exception of specialty tools) and harbor freight has gotten much better and with their warranty and generally decent locations in many ways you can't beat it for how much you spend
PLOT TWIST you are not in the USA or Canada. Always wished such a store exists where I am stuck at...
@@ruikazane5123 damn, im sorry they aren't located in you're area. You could always try to go to their web site and have things shipped to you or ebay(I know having to wait for shipping sucks) best of luck I hope you can find something similar
@@hatefunwrx That's why I would be moving out of here when it becomes easy...customs here sucks and we suffered eBay orders not getting here for years and even outright nowhere
I could have already made good progress on my project if not for the absurd local prices, because ordering them online at the local sites does not give you a chance to test them out before checkout and shipping is tough...
@@ruikazane5123 that's nuts as hell. It should never be like that anywhere, it's just wrong.
Normally I go for the budget friendly options that are just as good, but one thing to remember with the Dremel: harbor freight and Amazon noname electric motors have a spotty at best track record. But I've been using the same Dremel for about 16 years now and the only change since it was new is a few grease stains.
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Good one. That genuinely took me a second to figure out what you were saying 😂
Every dremel I've owned has always gone the same way. Molten black plastic shoots out the sides. I always thought dremel was the cheap tool
Thats because it is a cheap tool with a high price tag on it. useless
I also hate dremel is a forced name for all rotary tool. Dremel is just the crap expensive brand. I've bought chinese rotary tools for $10 that still work whereas the only dremel I purchased barely survived 5 months usage.
@@furyofgungnir yeah but I use a cheap one not the real dreamel because like you say they are over priced for what I’m doing.
The tool it self don’t suck and they have a use. The thing is you can’t use it for the wrong job or else it will overheat or break. Like for example if you were to use a dreamel tool to grind down flat bar steel it would not work the best, for that you could use a angle grinder, or something with more power.
I had the exact same problem. My first one lasted for a decade but then the next one lasted 4 days sending black plastic everywhere.
Mines been good for years now. I wonder what you use them for that they melt on you. Mine gets hot sometimes, but I just make sure to give it some air, and not cover the vents when I use it.
I’m so happy to see Tool Party get another episode! And a season!
Absolutely excited to see what else is to come!
The thing I like about Dremel is there's different styles, there's the pen, the mobile and corded regular version, along with so many helpful adapters. You're paying for the name on one hand, but the other is you get a really nice useful tool from a really great company. Dremel any day
Also Dremel attachments are superior to Hobo Freight
@@ryanpaul5604 honestly, everything beats cheap johnny knocksville
The gambler 500 episode was one of my favorite episodes of all time. You have to go back! More off road!! Ivan Stewart episode! Let's go!
I have a different model Amazon special, it's a little beefier than the one y'all show. Honestly, having had a Dremel at work, it does the job just as good for what I use it for at a fraction of the cost.
That one is built on the same mold my first dremel came out of
I have had the same Dremel for 15 years, actually a 75th anniversary edition and it's been reliable. I was young when I bought it, I am just a hobbyist so it's not like I use it every, but it has been a solid tool for all these years, and I hope it last at least another 15. But if I had a friend who was looking for a rotary tool, I'd probably steer them towards the HF one, especially if it's just for a couple projects here and there.
My dremel is black & it’s still polishing …
For the weekend warrior, the Ryobi rotary tool is also pretty good especially if you already invested in the Ryobi system
I’ve had a Dremel (with flex shaft extension) for the last 15 years and it’s one of my best purchases. The cheapie ones are great for those shitty/dirty jobs where you don’t care about ruining a $25 tool
Ive got 2 Dremels. One is from like 1997, and looks exactly like the Harbor Freight one, and one is from 2017.. I consistently use the old one over the new one unless I need to use one of the newer attachments.
'DREMEL TOOLS - Can You Get Away With a Cheap One?' The answer is yes. For a while like 15 or 20 years ago Walmart had some clone dremel type that was only $15 or $20, and I got one. By far the smoothest running moto tool I have, the couple of very different Dremels I have both have roughly 5 times the vibration. I'll have to hunt mine up to find the name, can't remember it off hand. But it's ridiculously better than any other Dremel type I've ever used, if you keep it under about 1/3rd to 1/2 speed there is almost no vibration, so you can use it for a long time comfortably. I would literally rewind it and replace the bearings with high quality ones if it wore out before I'd buy another Dremel, it's that much better.
And from it I can't help but think the main problem with most Dremels are the bearings. Spinning by hand my Dremels and all others I've tried seem like crap, that cheap as dirt clone has much smoother bearings even after a ton of use over the years.
Donut Media / Project Farm collab when?
Good idea
there's nothing to collab on i'm afraid, Donut Media is irrelevant compared to Project Farm
@@victortitov1740 donut has more than 2x the subs than project farm
The Amazon one has been working great for me. I've used it many many times and it still runs strong. It also comes with the flex cable and bits.
I think the takeaway is if you use a rotary tool daily or at least weekly, then the Dremel is the one to get for longevity and ability, but if you're a hobbyist who only occasionally needs one, then the harbor freight is perfectly fine. I'd also have liked to see a different durability test where you turn them on at the same time, run them for say an hour, and see if they shutoff before and if not what temps the body of the tool are at when it's done. The original Dremel was notorious for getting hot in your hand with long use, though the new ones like the 4300 never seem to have this issue but imagine the HF or Amazon one might.
Good stuff as always.
Jobe and Jer are my favorite part of Donut. So funny lol.
This is too pure y'all are a dynamic duo
The Amazon one looks like a direct clone of an older dremel. My dad has a name brand one that looks almost exactly like it.
Yeah it looks like a clone of my 30 year old Dremel.
It definitely does.
I have that one and it also sounds EXACTLY like the older Dremel as well
I would take the name I can trust... Dremel.... Especially for polish, detail, and grinding down sharp edges when working with light sheet metal... However, for any heavier sheet metal or automotive applications, I would probably go with an air powered grinder or air powered die grinder...
I'm glad you guys touched on this, I've owned several Dremel branded rotary tools, and I've got to say i feel let down by them, they all failed just outside the 1 year warranty period, I'd say i may have used it twice a month for light duty like cutting an m6-m8 bolt. I was so fed up with it i started shopping around and i found one for sale at 1/3 of the price with a 3 year warranty rather like your $40 tool you demonstrated. So it's been nearly 3 years since i bought it and it's still working but it is showing signs of wear, that's gotta be a win. Thanks for doing this :)
Dremels that I have purchased seen to heat up under a load to the point you need gloves to hold them.
I have three rotary tool at home, a cored dremel that I leave on a mount, fixed on my workbench. The second one is a Ryobi 18v station with a flex shaft that came with a glue gun bundle. I leave the ryobi on my other workbench. The one I used the most is the m12 rotary tool. It uses all the Dremel accesories, but run on the M12 battery platform. I use this portable one on every job. If I go somewhere, the M12 is coming along! The Dremel works good, but I hated having to look for an outlet or extention everytime I needed to use it.
Honestly my favorite series as of right now
I had the HyperTough tool, which looks just like the Harbor Freight one. It worked well, but after about a year of very light use the little button detent wore out so I can't tighten anything onto the collet. I do make sure to only press the button with the tool stopped. On the other hand, a 20 year old Dremel 100 still works great, but it's a single speed.
You can get away with a cheap tool, but cheap bits and accessories do make a big difference, they suck big time, get the name brand ones.
I have a cordless rotary tool branded "Hyper Tough", cost about $35. So far, it lasted longer than the $100 Dremel I had to replace.
Hyper Tough is the Walmart version of Test Rite brand tools... they are a low cost, medium quality brand that are definitely durable for home projects. It's worth your money. Great products in my opinion
I hate the feel in hand of most hyper tough tools and maybe my use cases are a bit too much for it being as I have to maintain 120 acres of land and 15 dedicated off-road vehicles for playing and maintaining it so every tool I invest in gets heavy use and some abuse.
I like a bargain as much as next person but apart from their pry bars at the local Walmart they offer nothing I can rely on. I have a a battery powered dremel I got a few years ago and I’m surprised as much as next person that it still functions today because I don’t treat it well I treat it like a tool so usually gets stored in my shed outdoors in a bucket for weeks or even months at a time.
@@Honeypot-x9s I've had the same problem. I've tried using "hyper tough" drills, rotary tools, and others from Walmart. They're not bad if you only do small things around the house but when I've tried them on more demanding projects the shortcomings are very apparent.
I've used both Dremmel and a cheaper version. The Dremmel is way louder and the speed settings are set. The cheap one had a dial and rpm display so I could have more control.
As for cutting disks and such, Dremmel was way better than off brand ones and worth the extra money.
Honestly for most situations in which I need to pull out a rotary tool, that flex extension is 100% the reason why I’m using that tool for that job. I think I’ve only ever used my dremel without the flex extension once - because if I can fit the whole dremel into the space, I can usually fit the full size equivalent in there, but that’s not the case with the flex extension - lot of jobs where that was really the only way to get at something.
Whoever thought of using the nail polish emoji 💅 for the polishing section is a genius. I laughed so hard when I saw it.
The Dremel is definitely worth the money long-term if you're going to be using it all the time, BUT for occasional use you can't go wrong with the Harbor Freight one. I've owned that same tool for 6+ years now, and on the rare occasions I need to use it, it does the job just fine.
My rule of thumb with tools is that if it's something I'll use once in a while, go with the HF and save the money. If I end up using it enough to break it, it's worth spending the extra cash on a higher end brand.
6:33 the cheaper Harbour Freight tool did better than the Amazon tool, but you still put it last? Attention to detail, guys!
I saw that too
It was never about the tools. You just watched a 20min ad.
@@pheelix- Wow, you see all, don't ya, pal?
The thing is, the narrative should still make sense. The Harbour freight tool won in the end, so it makes even less sense to overlook the mistake at 6:33
But by all means keep going on thinking you're clever.
Oh, and you watched a 20 min ad too, you know.
@@andoletube Not sure how the Harbor Freight tool won when the tests weren't even performed correctly. I bet if that Harbor Freight tool landed on the front like the other 2 did, it would not be working as well.
I bought a Dremel recently, which broke after only an afternoon of polishing aluminium.
BUT to Dremel's credit, i sent it back to them, they fixed it for free and it has been going strong ever since, which probably wouldn't have happened with a cheaper one.
Love my cordless Dremel. Bought it over 3 year’s ago and have gotten way more use out of it than I expected. It’s just so handy for so many thing’s. I’m always finding a use for it.
My Dremel looks like the G model but both the HF and G aren’t fixable,no parts support,where the Dremel brand can be easily fixed! I’ve had mine since the 90’s and i still regularly use it! I use it on my chan in the “Mag feedlip mod” vid! Great vid as usual guys!
The editing of this episode was on point! Props to the artists!
Those races where awesome. Love the channel, espically the overlanding high low. Would love to see you guys work with 4WD247
Same I would love a donut 4wd247 ep
Might be tricky to work together, one in USA and one in Australia. Otherwise not a bad idea.
Well even just a guest appearance on beers in the shed or 4WD247 have said they would love to go to America
I love the concept of these videos but the test ware wildly inconsistent. The drag race should've use the exact same trucks (maybe just pained different) so the weight and drag is the same. Same with the durability test, Could've set up a rig that dropped from the same exact height and the same exact angle.
This isn't Project Farm. LOL You can only expect so much from this crew.
@@mehGyver Project Farm is a great channel, with loads of useful information. I understand where you’re coming from but side by side comparisons shouldn’t be done if not done correctly.
@@thatautogarage3644 I agree whole heartedly. My comment wasn’t aimed at yours as much as it was to sarcastically mock these clowns attempt to do tool comparisons. They’re not in it for the data and results. They’re in it only for views. So I don’t expect anything of substance from them.
@@mehGyver That I completely understand, I do enjoy watching them for some reason even though the tend to get info wrong across all the different video types. Some they nail though and it's very entertaining.
I enjoy these knuckleheads together so much I rewatch these every now and then 😆
NIce review but I think you would be blown away at using the Ryobi rotary tool. Flexible shaft using their 18 volt platform.
I’ve been using rotary tools for years. The quality and longevity of my Dremel is by far the best. I wish I could attach a picture of my 20 yr old Dremel because it looks WELL used and still functions today. Way better than the year or so I get out of those cheap ones.
I'd love to see torque wrenches. You guys did impact drills already but I would like to know if getting a cheap torque wrench is just as good as an expensive one.
Project Farm did a recent test on torque wrenches. Depends on your application but generally no don’t buy a cheap torque wrench. Buy a mid tier brand or used high end & get it calibrated
Interesting. What qualifies as a mid-tier brand though.
This matches my experience with rotary tools, had both that Dremal and also have the hypertough(walmart) one that was around $20. While I agree dremels cutting wheels and such are better I use them on the Hypertough and had similar result. Cut off so many rusted bolts on my wife's car
Thinking about grabbing the hyper tough cus I'd be using it for more like the vents and body design. Figure it would do the job nicely, specially since polishing seemed fine enough for whatever i'm trying to clean up that someone didn't take care of.
I bought a hypertough 4" grinder and I beat the absolute piss out of the poor thing. The $20 I spent 3 years ago has definitely felt better than the time I $120 and broke it shortly after.
man i never comment on y’all videos but i just be watching 2 or 3 videos every night before i sleep n i gotta say you kings and hoonigan are the best channel for the car community there’s no debate about that i don’t not care .from all from old vs new hi vs low cars cheap vs expensive to the vlogs bungalow dumb shit n testing it out to the old up top speed vid when y’all would break down the newest thing or just make a video on a car that just came out i can go go on n on just like y’all do with the vids but keep up the work boys love the high low car stuff and cheap vs expensive
I bought a Dremel kit because i needed to cut my front bumper for my front mount intercooler. Honestly glad i bought the Dremel. Its just so beefy and strong, cutting through the thick plastic didnt faze it one bit. And it came with a nice sturdy carrying case and HELLA bits that i could keep this thing forever.
Dremel branded stuff is already fairly competitively priced, so I think it's one of those tools where it's worth the name brand.
competitive? over 5x price of harbor freight
@@garettjohnson2234 isn't that pretty much the same for any Harbour freight tool compared to the professional grade tools available. Even if the Dremel is 5x the cost having the parts readily available locally, yet alone to order online confidently. And in my experience most Harbour freight tools or equivalent will work pretty close to a professional grade tool. The biggest difference is after a year or two of use multiple times a week my Dremel is exactly the same as the day I bought it (with the exception of scuffs and whatnot on the tool itself) I can buy replacement discs/attachments and most basic replacement parts at the wholesaler I already purchase material from vs. Having to make annother stop. That alone is worth the price difference. On top of that I abuse my dremel alot, and it rarely bogs down on power without intentially pushing it too far. Same idea as angle grinders. I have a couple that are Harbour freight equivalent I keep at home for when I use a cut off wheel, grinding wheel, and wire cup, without having to keep switching as a convenience. But I keep my milwalkee cordless grinder in my work van to use daily, it cost as much as 3 cheap ones, but I never feel like it will leave me stranded on a job
I have dremel 4300 and HF cheapest $10 one. When something happens to the Dremel while I'm using this tool, I can think that the way I'm using is wrong, not the tool. This is great time and headache saver. HF $10 one is junk. It wobbles, vibrates, low torque, terrible.
The quality of harbor freight for the price point always genuinely surprises me.
it's bad, I had one
I buy at HF for things I won’t use often and that should they fail (e.g. ratchet straps) there won’t be a catastrophe.
Day 340 of asking Donut to bring old B2B back
4:45 is a great lesson on why a dif gear upgrade is a good idea
Got one that looks exactly like that Goxavee for a bit under $14. I'm pretty sure that the rest of those $40 are for plastic box, accessories, and, mostly, shipping from China.
First thing I did was open it, and, unsurprisingly, it's brains begin and end with two resistors, two resistive strips for speed slide, diode and transistor. It'll shut down when it catches fire after 10 minutes of load. Or just work.
dremel is like coke, its the name of the type of tool now,,that being said, sounds like the others have almost caught up, and being they are usually less than half the price i think that makes them the better value. Like someone said, if its your lively hood day to day, go with the dremel, but for just about anyone else in any situation, walmart or harbor freight ( hyper tough, chicago ) give you the same results and if they do break, buy another. Youd have to break several to end up spending more than with teh big D!
As a Dremel owner (as a gift), I’m okay with the results. Tool torture tests are cool. Invite Project Farm on as a guest!
I think the Drop Test needed to be done better. It seemed that they varied on where they landed. Like on their fronts, are going to do more damage then the sides. I would like to see Dremel bits vs other brands as well (I got in a discussion with my father about this once, and I swore the Dremels are better)
Yeah, that's the thing with these youtubers' reviews. It's all about the fun factor. Doing the same test again is too boring and people might close the video, so they didn't care about the fairness of that part. Or maybe they'd have more traffic if a Dremel got defeated by a cheaper model, because people share it with friends. An way, all these tests were pretty unscientific. Unless you bolt three models to a bench and bring up different materials on a machine controlled platform and press it against the dremels at equal power.... it's never going to be really super useful.
I still have the same Dremel from when I was a teenager, so from around 1995. I still use it, and it still works great.
the goxawee actually looks identical to my almost 30 year old dremel. lol
the monster truck section about speed is probably my favorite clip off this channel. shit had me LOLing
For the durability test I’d like to have seen them all turned on and ran until failure
I'm so early for once
Dear content creators, this was just plain fun. I've watched so many reviews, but with yours I found myself laughing as I learned. No easy task. Consider going into the teaching profession, as you have a knack for entertaining and teaching. Many, many thanks for the effort. In particular, the cutting screw head section made me laugh my butt off!
Have to say +1 comment & +1 Critique
1. You guys always make enjoyable videos and this series is no different I love this tool series!!!
2. I’d say horrible compression but LTT! They make nice & attire I actually feel comfortable wearing & by this I mean they keep it sort of vanilla… I don’t know what boost creeps means, Yota’s tacos is cool but maybe the only shirt I’d feel comfortable wearing in the real world…I bought Pop-up headlights because those are mega cool! But I doubt I’ll ever take it out of the bag it came in…
If possible catch things you guys come up with, with nice artwork! I’d wear LTT merch as all my clothing but I’d never take Donut out of the house! You guys got this! 👍
have a Dremel and used to have one of those cheap $20 ones. had to cut wheel studs and alternated between them to avoid burning the motor up. the cheap one's internals simply couldn't handle the torture after a while and literally tried to catch fire. aside from the large amount of smoke and it stopped working, the plastic warped from the heat. however the old Dremel I kept pushing and it kept on going. still use it now.
Cool seeing the OW Pints hiding there! Love my Pint.
I have a single speed Dremel. In order to have variable speed, I plug it into a light dimmer slid switch controller.
$29.00 for the Dremel and $4.00 for the speed controller. I have used this combination for the past 5+ years.
I am a designer, builder and pilot of Radio Controlled aircraft, so I use this alot.
I love the creativity
The only thing I go for Dremel over these is the feature that Dremel can keep the rpm constant and apply automatically more torque if the load increases. Others will just drop the rmp if there is too much load applied and it will be a constant annoyance to increase rpm as it drops and prevents low rpm stuff all together.
A video with my two favorite Donut guys! Awesome work fellers!
Build quality and longevity is the most important thing with these.
My mom gave me her 20 year old dremel and it’s still going strong. Used it a few months ago to port and polish my upper & lower intake manifold and clean up my cheapo headers and it was breeeeezing through the job with no issues like it was brand new
I’ll pay more for quality if it means another cheap broke tool out of a landfill.