How To Set Up Trout Spey | Trout Spey Basics (Missouri River Fly Fishing)
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- Swinging flies is one of our favorite techniques when it comes to fishing. Once fall hits in Montana we break out our Trout Spey rods. Now, obviously there are tons of questions to be answered when it comes to trout spey. "What rod do I need?" "Skagit or Scandi Line?" "How to Spey cast?" etc. There are a ton of options out there and a dozen different ways to setup your rod and reel. We can't pack all of that into one video so we hope this starts a conversation.
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Awesome video and well explained. Thank you!
Great presentation .... perhaps a future rundown video on a scandi line setup for the shorter 2 hand rods .... keep em coming :) I love fishing the 10 1/2' & 11' 4wt-6wt rods in the PNW :)
we can probably do that soon.
Not to add more confusion to it, the Lazar line is good, but I hated having to straighten it out when stepping out onto the water. I switched over to Airflo Miracle Braid which doesn't have the memory and the way you form those loops you don't have the knot to deal with going through the guides. Kind of the best of both the integrated running line and a standard, in my opinion. Something else to consider to save on frustration, no matter what reel you go with make sure its a closed cage. Using a half cage you see with typical trout reels, the damn running line always slips out past the cage at the most inconvenient time.
I (Jay) haven't used airflo's running lines yet but I will say I have been impressed with all their other products recently and will have to try it. That is good point on the reel. We designed our Model OC fly reel with a full frame for that reason. Thanks for the input and thanks for watching.
Thanl you for the information..quick one,..so we add backing as well as running line, head, etc?
That is correct… for sure still need backing.
Finally found the time to watch the video five days after it was posted, and it has answered several of the questions that I’ve had as I sort through the myriad of information out there regarding Spey and trout Spey in general. I do still have some questions that might be worth answering, and I’m sure there have to be others out there that may have the same questions.
First, would you mind giving a good depiction or demonstrate when it would be more appropriate to approach the water with a trout spey vs the single handed fly rod, and what is it that leads you to make the switch more often, is it the fly you intend to use and the presentation to the fish that drives this decision, or is it more often the water in front of you and the choice more about proficiency and simply covering water the fastest at a greater distance?
Secondly, what is the most common or more often used choice for line and rod weight, the middle ground if you will, when it comes to the trout spey system? I completely understand that it will be different for each angler and their most often fished stretch of water and it’s seasonal changes, but where is a good starting point? Since beginning my search for the best way to get into or testing the waters so to speak with trout spey gear, I find myself torn between several different set ups and methods, and as much as I hate admitting this, hearing every shop or educator say if you want to get started in fly fishing you should start with a 9’ 5wt blah blah blah blah blah, insert filler here about how this rod is absolutely the best or all you will ever need for any situation, for most anglers they are right, it’s right in the middle or was at some point, the best selection for an angler that may not be sure what their preferred method of fishing may be and thus allows them to dabble until they figure it out. What’s your 9’ 5wt equivalent?
Lastly, one of my biggest hang ups at the moment is not only do I have to convince she who must be obeyed and the ruler of the house on most days that I may need to buy more equipment when my fly tying/gear collection room is larger and more stocked than some local fly shops I’ve been in on certain rivers, but I’m also trying to convince myself that there may be a need to buy an entirely new system, from rod and reel, to obviously the line and heads. Is there anything that can be picked up or upgrade a bit later down the road if you decide to get into trout spey and you are currently a single hand rod gear nut, gear horder, or overly excitable supporter of multiple fly shops across the country/top ten level sponsor of fly shops worldwide lol? For example, although most spey situations often produce or chase species that acquire or grow to larger sizes, is it possible to take some of our existing large Arbor say 8-9wt reels and use them in our trout spey system temporarily while we are learning or working on our casting or shooting technique, and deciding if this is our cup of tea, or is there a way to incorporate maybe some of our currently owned equipment during the purchasing process?
To be honest, as absolutely obsessed as I am with our sport, I don’t see it as being as hard to convince myself to buy more or try more, or dive down a little deeper into our sports specialized techniques, like I did when I took the leap into the European style tight line technique, but for the novice beginner, or the ones that align more with Scrooge when it comes to their money and tend to be more financially responsible, what is you advice?
Thanks for doing everything you do for the fly fishing community, continue doing it and continue busting everyone’s balls along the way, the humor is what keeps a lot of us coming back for me, and keep the shop updated online for those of us that peruse the web looking for our next must have item on our gear lists. Amazing job as always!
Hey Mike,
Fred here. Thanks for taking the time to comment and question. I'm going to do my best to give you some answers. Also, stay tuned for some upcoming videos where we will dive into your points as well.
One of the primary reasons I choose to spey cast is efficiency. Learning to spey cast will improve your fly fishing in all applications. If I am wade fishing, I almost always utilize spey casting techniques. Whether I am fishing a 9’ rod for nymphing, dries or using a floating or sink tip line for streamers, spey casting moves make casting more efficient. When you move up in rod length to an 11’ rod (standard for trout spey) you increase your leverage, your control, and your efficiency in casting greater distances. You also solve many back casting problems. If I am intending to wade and fish streamers or soft hackles, I typically choose a two handed (trout spey) set up unless I am in very small water.
If we can agree that the 9’ 5-weight is the go-to all-rounder in single hand, then the comparative rod in spey (2-hander) would likely be an 11’ 3-weight. Both are very diverse tools that can handle many situations and fish sizes. Moving up and down, a 2-weight 2-hander is like a #4 single and a 4-weight 2-hander closely relates to a #6 single.
You can absolutely use a reel from your quiver for trout spey. It is simply about matching the size to the rod. I prefer a spool size like a standard 7/8 weight reel for a 3 or 4-weight trout spey set up. 3.5 to 4” in diameter will generally balance the rod nicely and hold the thicker spey line or head sufficiently.
It is also possible to use a single hand line (I’ve done it many times) on a trout spey set up simply by upsizing the line. For example, if you are fishing an 11’ 3-weight trout spey rod, you will find that many 6-7 weight single hand lines will spey cast just fine. For example, a 6-weight Rio Grande fly line is 230 grains and makes a great casting Scandi style line for soft hackles and smaller streamers.
There are so many variables in this game and to me that is what makes it so much fun. Everyone needs to start somewhere in order to learn how to cast and develop their trout spey game. Putting together an 11' (ish) 3 or 4-weight and setting it up for Skagit is a great starting point. You can likely utilize some of your heavier single hand lines for Scandi (before taking a deeper dive into more reels/lines etc.).
Thanks again for your questions. Let me know if you have more, and Fish On!
go with 4 wt. more versatility. the 3 will struggle to throw bigger streamers.
Good advice. Thanks for the video
I don't get why you 'just' say a beginner should get a Skagit line over a Scandi line?
Why not start with how you want to fish?
Like small soft hackles and small streamers just under the surface? These flies are light and don't have lot of wind resistance to make casting fairly easy rather than heavy sink tips and heavy streamers?