Endnote 4: How the Alt-Right is Like an Abusive Relationship (live)
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2024
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Book reference:
Alt-America, by David Neiwert
Healing from Hate, by Michael Kimmel
Terror, Love and Brainwashing, by Alexandra Stein
Research reference:
Contact Hypothesis: www.facinghistory.org/sounds-...
Attachment Styles: www.evergreenpsychotherapycen...
Parasocial Contact Hypothesis: cmsw.mit.edu/wp/wp-content/up...
Parasocial Relationships: • FAKE FRIENDS EPISODE T...
Alternative Influence Network: datasociety.net/output/altern...
The Curation/Search Radicalization Spiral: hapgood.us/2019/05/07/the-cur...
Incels: / contrapoints
Identity Demarginalization: citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/...
Thought-terminating Cliches: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought...
Stochastic Terrorism: • The PewDiePipeline: ho...
The Authoritarians: theauthoritarians.org/Downloa... 
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Correction: In this video I use the phrase "direct-route processing," when it is in fact called "CENTRAL-route processing." My bad.
I've watched a good chunk of your video series and I have to say it is entirely ironic. Really you could do a find and replace of all the nouns with extremist ideologies which come from "the left" and have the same result. The use of "buzzwords" to spread information. Basis in extreme loyalty to the ideology and little else. A hierarchy based on race, gender sexuality (the "Oppression Olympics", as it is sometimes called). The violent outbreaks with groups like Antifa & the like.
Shameful or something. Sadly, people don't think for themselves; rather are told how to think through: a bunch of half-truths, gas lighting and muddying the waters enough to get people to think it's impossible for them to get an answer. Oh well.
Hey, I don't like the alt-right, either. You can be anti-xenomorph & anti-predator. I just find them to be a small minority compared to the above mentioned "the left" extreme groups which have a stronger grasp on civilisation. If anything the alt-right is a response to the strangle hold that "the left" has: from media to politics to universities and so on. Unfortunately, non of them seem to realise that the cure to feminism is MRA-ism. Like i said "Oh well".
how many mass shootings have antifa committed again?
@@pickyphysicsstudent201 Just so you know, extremist leftist idelogies are often hostile towards identity politics. A lot of people on the left who are on the more extreme, especially those on the more authoritarian side of things, but not always (i.e. some Maoists [mostly], Left Comunnists, Anarcho-Syndicalists, etc.) think that what you call here "Oppression Olympics" is a waste of time and that people should direct all their resources towards revolutionary insurrection against the capitalist class and only focus on this specific issue (which is often dubbed "class reductionism"), while praising loyalty to their ideology like you said. Most leftist folks, ideologies and organizations do not advocate extreme orthodoxy and problematize the real hierarchies based on gender, race and sexuality while *not* advocating violence. As Ian himself said, "Antifa and the like" are not the ones comitting mass shootings. Far-right folks are.
@@InnuendoStudios "Mass shootings"? Never said that. I was more so referring to riots. The WHY of this incidents are more important to note than the WHAT. Antifa more so works as a mob crusading into certain areas and beating up rubbish bins first and then fighting groups who disagree with them afterwards. That and throwing milkshakes which may or may not contain lead in them, which can cause brain damage as akin to Andy Ngo who was neutrally reporting the events when he got hit.
@@pickyphysicsstudent201
You are exactly as innuendos studios described. However, could you please write the amount of mass shootings perpetrated by antifa (if any)? Likewise, please write why the alt right does perpetrate mass shootings.
Oh no, they caged the Innuendo Studios voice in a prison of meat!
We need an exorcist or something.
Free the voice! Free the voice!
Free the voice
Free the voice
Free the voice
I discovered this channel and Contrapoints nearly at the same time. They kept me afloat in this abyss of an era, that at the very least well meaning and informed people, infinitely more than me, are firing back at the madness. That you say it's a voice takes me back to V for Vendetta, talking about how ideas are immortal. It's romantic.
@@thekinginyellow7777 free the unspeakable?
@@linkkenni There's a good amount of leftist content nowadays. I'm sure you've noticed. Its all worth a listen.
But its not the answer to the dystopia. Remember him bringing up Contrapoints describing the negative trans forms as "wallowing in dysphoria".
I dunno know you. But I feel like I should say this anyways.
Do try to take breaks. Breathe fresh air. Take care of your responsibilities for yourself and the people around you.
Its frightfully easy to end up in that pit. Especially with all this content talking about how bad the world is.
Just wanted to say that. Uh. Sorry if that pisses you off. Have a good day :).
Are you my brain?
"Three testimonials, four videos, four pages of statistics, Keynote just closed - that's exciting"
You played that off well. It's too much for ask for a presentation to go off without a hitch, isn't it. :P
Best thing you can hope for is for shit to break pretty much immediately. After that, the nerves are gone because your biggest fear has happened and you've survived. Now you can push forward. What's the worst that can happen from that point?
Kevin Geldard: tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DisasterDominoes
("You got a little too fast, I guess.")
"I'm sorry... I just get excited."
HOT.
Welcome to presenting Death by Powerpoint
Nick Cazares can you delete your comment no one cares
"And experiencing an emotional trauma can create an intense bond with the people experiencing it with him, even though *they're the ones who brought him to the traumatic even in the first place.*"
Hazing is a bug in the human brain's source code that needs to be patched
The problem is when the code was written it wasn't a bug but a key feature. Shows how different tribal survival on the savanna is compared to complex hundred million societies.
I brought a but jolokia chilli to the pub crawl, then comforted the other idiot that ate half of it, and ordered white Russians for both of us.
@@ajasen Not really sure why you placed this. My point which isn't contradicted with your statement was at the point the trait manifested it was beneficial and it is not unbeneficial enough to have been weeded out or co-opted for another purpose.
@@Zanzopan maybe now on a global scale, it is unbeneficial enough
@@cognitivedissonance8406 No
“How to radicalize a normie” is the story of my brother.
He ran a spiritual healing blog back in the summer of 2013. By 2016, it had been taken over by alt-lite trolls who inundated him with Tucker Carlson anti-SJW videos. Now he is a Deep State Qanon Pick up Artist who lies about his sexual orientation because the white race needs babies.
The video made me tear up. I hope someday I can show it to him so he can realize what happened to him.
Thank you for making these videos 💜
well hey i know it may be hard but if anyone is in the position with the knowledge to help its you. i don't want to be "hey chin up now" but your dream likely will come true if you help him through it. best of luck
Holy canoly
I really hope it happens soon.
It must be hard to see someone you love in such a difficult situation.
Best of luck
@Wolf3500 - You do realize that that was just one identity given among half a dozen, right? But hey, thanks for trying to nitpick one thing, take it out of context, and pretend that it's an equivalency she's making when she clearly wasn't. You provided a very good example of a thought-stopping axiomatic statement.
At about the same time my brother ditched his website about pyramids and some paranormal-ish stuff because he decided that it wasn't scientific enough... unlike Stefan Molynuex. That was the beginning and end of everything. I feel you, hope your brother gets better.
Hey, Ana, you're the person most likely to be able to bring your brother out of this mess. Keep trying.
Hello IS:
My partner is an ex-alt-right online participant. If you would ever have need of interviewing someone who has since left that movement, even if it's just a written list of questions you'd like to have answered, he would be happy to provide any information about his perspective and experiences to help you build data on the subject.
You are an inspiration and provide the community with incredibly well-researched pieces. Thank you for all of your hard work.
How did you deal with that? My partner opened up about him having started an alt-right RUclips channel with over 300k subs making jokes about killing immigrants, disabled people, islamophobia, racism, among other things. Him and his friends all wore MAGA hats and attracted alt-right sympathizers in the comments section. He has since deleted his videos, but I am struggling to reconcile with this past as I am the son of immigrants, Muslim, and work in pediatric disability. Wondering if you or anyone can share their thoughts! Thank you :)
how did he get out?
theyre insightful. our society lacks almost any insightfulness.
@@squirtlevscharmander1617 they start with "just joking" then it's "youre mostly white" or "well youre not black (or Jew or whoever)- theyre the REAL enemy" and keep a blind spot to the hate against the groups he or his loved ones are a part of. it's kind of bizarre how many aryan spremacissts o've noticed are not even aryan-looking or have non-northern euro names
@@squirtlevscharmander1617 I see your partner's story similarly to the guy who confessed anonymously to Reddit that he accidentally killed 7 people by causing a gas leak on a rental property.. he can't undo the damage he has done but he can put forward a little more energy to do the same again in reverse. it's not respectable for him to just delete it all and do nothing else.. especially given your background.
I really hope you figured this out because I would have said this is not great.
The fact that every comment section of Innuendo Studios is absolutely stuffed with alt-right fuckos proving the videos right is magical, hilarious, and depressing all at once. The upside is that it gives everyone else a chance to practice the 'healthier' methods of dealing with their disingenuous talking points, i.e. don't engage with them in "discussion" and call out what they are doing, not what they are saying.
That's a very important point on calling them out instead of engaging with their tactics!
RUclips is filled with sad alt-right nutjobs.
Stochastic Totalism literally knocked me back in my seat with my mouth agape. It solidified fuzziness I was having with modern social media and politics.
There was lag between the projector and the iPad that sometimes lasted half a second and sometimes lasted until I went to the next slide, try not to get distracted by it. And let the record state that it was not my fault.
You did great, I think the information is communicated excellently.
This is fantastic, you're an excellent public speaker!
And we were all so eager to see Gavin McInnes's face
#Cancelled.
You did really well.
As someone who had my politics moved drastically left during college, that description you gave really resinated with me.
In all honesty so little of that change came from my professors. In the two classes I took where contemporary politics were discussed as part of the curriculum both of them openly encouraged disagreement so long as it was voiced in a productive manner, and one of them even started off by telling us that we were free to drop if talking about left-wing social politics wasn't interesting to us.
For me anyway the experience of sharing a space with people from various different socioeconomic backgrounds did infinitely more to get me out of my apolitical lib/anti-sjw comfort zone. It's way harder to mock someone for going by singular they/them pronouns when they're a classmate, or an RA, or someone on the board of your favorite club activity. It's way harder to casually toss around slurs when there are people you care about who you know would be disappointed in you.
So far, the only college professor I've had who discussed politics in class was teaching a political science class. He was a conservative and in light of the Democratic primaries, political debate was a big part of the lectures.
For me it was coming out of my depression and having working outs on a regular basis, starting to go to school again being way more with people and one of my best friends coming out to me as trans, which made me know, transpeople, are just normal people like anyone else. They just want to be accepted and Called by the gender they are. If someone can’t do that, it is their problem not the trans persons.
I hope that in a few years we will see more transpeople in media as well, so that they get normalized as well.
@tomwanders6022 fast forward a measly 8 months and you now have a US state proposing laws that no one under the age of 26 can transition!!!!! The right wing is no longer "for the children ".....they are just straight up making it illegal to even exist as a trans person! I just want everyone to have a fucking living wage and free healthcare.....they want to make existing illegal..... where does all of that hate come from.
My uni teacher added your videos to the materials relevant for our class :)
What's the subject?
@@pananagiotis5890 "The reason why every educated person disagrees with me is because they're out to get me, not because I'm wrong"
WAT
@@peterprime2140 "If college professors don't have any liberal bias, why do conservative students get lower grades?" - Charlie Kirk
@@pananagiotis5890 No, it was a irrelevant comment sourced solely from the aether.
When u described disorganized attachment i got chills. My parents were both narcisistic conspiracy theories and i was an autistic anxious child. Damn.
Autistic person here, I hope you feel okay.
Did any of those conspiracy theories that your parents believed in go against you?
On the subject of extremist recruits often being people who come from broken homes and such: I remember hearing that victims of abuse are more prone to become victims of abuse again at the hands of a new abuser. If the alt-right is like an abusive relationship, that lines up pretty well.
That's definitely true, I had three bad relationships in a row before deciding to be single for a long time
@@MadeleineSwannSurreal I'm sorry
@@reveranttangent1771 that's ok, my husband is a wonderful bear
@@MadeleineSwannSurreal yay!
@@reveranttangent1771 🍄
thankyou. I've trained in psychiatry (including peri-natal psychiatry) and attachment theory is a very useful way of thinking about the quality of almost any human relationship but I never thought to apply it to socio-political relationships for some reason, but you did so here, very convincingly, I might add.
Seeing Innuendo Studios' voice attached to his actual face is... weird. He's much older than I thought he would be.
Honestly no one on this god damn site has a voice that matches their face.
@@mertle7114 idk. Lindsay Ellis, hbomb, and Dan Olson maybe
Shaun for absolute sure. A skull with sunglasses is the perfect match for that voice.
@@nystria_ Philosphy tube
"Much older"? How old do you think he looks? Did you think he was 19? Honest question.
@@billydeano
I thought he'd look 28, but he looks 38.
"Experiencing an emotional trauma can create an intense bond with the people experiencing it with him, even though they are the ones who brought him to the traumatic event in the first place."
Damn this is so Midsommar
Check out the subtitle in the banner when they first arrive at the cult it’s basically “keep Sweden white!”
Ooof
I remember a comedian telling a joke just after Reagan got re-elected in 1984, and he said “what are you doing America, you are like a battered wife going back to her husband”. That’s what we called abused women back in the 1980s
It's funny how you compare the alt-right to an abusive relationship because ... for a long time, I held a lot of alt-right beliefs, not because I interacted with those communities, but because I was in an abusive relationship with someone who did. So I got to experience both of those things at the same time from the same person. And there was a _ton_ of overlap between them, but the parts that weren't overlap sort of built off each other and made the abuse work even better, I guess.
Eventually, after nine years, I woke up and realized what was happening, and I escaped. As soon as I removed myself from my abuser's influence, I discovered that I was transgender (a group that I had _hated_ ) and fell into the breadtube rabbit hole (many of those content creators I had also hated). Almost immediately I had become "the enemy", and my life was so much better for it. I has always been fairly self-confident and free-thinking, and I still wonder how I ever let someone take those things away from me. You always think "that happens to other people but I'm smarter than that", and that's how they get you.
yo, have you stumbled upon theramintrees yet?
he is not a part of bread tube, he talks about therapy and atheism and abusive relationships.
if you havent, check him out, his content is really great.
@@brawlinharry6461 LOVE THERAMINTREES, good recommendation
happy for you. and I hope you don't ever let the fact that it was 9 years get to you. it's all a part of what made you you, and sometimes those phases are longer than others. what matters is you're here!
@@xXluluchanelXx Thanks! I get that, and it's been bothering me less and less. In part because I'm learning to accept the fact that it did help make me who I am, in part because I'm learning to recognize all the little positive things that happened during that period, and in part because I really feel like I've been making up for lost time since then. My transition is going exceedingly well, and I've accepted that I'm polyamorous and I'm in multiple very loving and mutually beneficial relationships with some of the most wonderful people I've ever met. I'm travelling and exploring, learning new skills and picking up new hobbies, and allowing myself to grow as a person without fear, because I recognize the value of the time and freedom I have, and I'm making the most of it. I've never felt more satisified with my life, and I pribably wouldn't be here if it weren't for those nine years.
This is an intriguing theory...I am a Gen X liberal, and I have been politically active since high-school. I have always lived in right-wing populations so I am acclimated to right-wing views. My Gen Z daughter is the only other liberal that I know IRL. Despite this right-wing immersion, I have never wavered in my liberal views. However, 2014 - 2016 is a different story. I definitely started to get deeper into following many of the far-right. I watched Stephen Crowder, Gavin McGinnis, even Alex Jones. I was incredibly drawn into the entire Bundy Ranch stand-off. I voted Republican in 2016 for the first time EVER.
There were some extenuating circumstances to my vote for Trump, our voter rolls were hacked and myself and around 700 other registered Democrats had our party affiliation changed without our knowledge. This prevented all of us from being able to vote in the Democrat primary election that decided whether Bernie Sanders or Hilary Clinton would be the nominee. It was a pretty big violation and I, and everyone else who was violated and had our vote stolen from us, were really, REALLY, upset. In the midst of that, there was all kinds of info being shared out showing that the same thing happened in three other states, and that HRW and the centrist Democrat establishment were behind the hacked voter rolls and disenfranchisement of Democrat voters, so that Bernie Sanders would not win. I bought it COMPLETELY and I was FURIOUS, I felt betrayed by the party I had been a loyal member of for years. I voted Republican, because I fully believed my party had stolen my vote from me. It was the farthest right I have ever gone. Funny enough, that period was also the final years of my abusive marriage. As soon as my husband actually moved out of our home and I had some physical distance from him I quickly snapped back out of the right-wing media hole. I still cringe to think that there was a time when I watched Crowder, Shapiro, Jones, and McGinnis. They infuriate me, but for a year or so I was hooked. My husband is not right-wing or left-wing, he is an anti-government, sovereign citizen, conspiracy theorist that hates both parties, but our marriage was incredibly toxic during those years. The speed with which I quickly snapped back out of that world as soon as my abusive toxic husband was gone does lend (at least anecdotal) support to your theory.
Holy crap. This was the most devastating video you've ever made. I kept watching from beginning to end, and kept waiting for concepts, or aspects of it to stop being applicable to my entire LIFE. And it just didn't stop.
Thank you so much. I understand so much about so many awful things that have been done to me more than I've ever been able to do. Also, thank you for warning people about parasocial relationships. You don't know I exist,
but you just gave me tools I didn't have to understand a life lived full of trauma. You've given context to chaos, and pain.
It hurts, but healing, and learning can be painful. I'm so grateful. Stay safe, and keep fighting.
I'm proud of you
It's not like an abusive relationship.
It IS an abusive relationship.
Well, if it's _like_ it significantly, it may just be.
This phrasing is important for people _presently_ stuck in this dynamic, themselves. If you tell them, "You're in a cult," you get blowback, which pushes them further in.
However, if you pre-suppose they can have the autonomy to figure it out for themselves if it's laid out, they may feel safe to make that distinction themselves.
Same information coming across, but very different risk assessments.
@@nunyabidnis3815 Which is probably why I stayed in an abusive relationship for four years.
i kinda feel like an embodiment of the "bleeding heart liberal" (although i'm not a liberal), because i had to pause this six minutes in because i'm crying already, but it's from how goddamn important this work is and how sad i am that it needs to be done and how glad i am that there are people doing it. thank you so, so much.
Too bad it's not accurate for the most part
@@elmergoering2443 feel free to enlighten us.
This guy assumes that the alt right is some secret Machiavellian cult that tries to brainwash people into being evil for no reason. He fails to understand why we hold the views we do in the first place.
Well, the alt right has many beliefs. Which ones are you interested in learning about?
Men and women are inherently different on a biological and psychological level and as such, are better suited to different tasks. Men and women are both vital to the health and development of a society, but only if they fill their societal roles. Feminism seeks to undermine the natural system in favor of one where women are free to indulge in endless hedonism and abandon their duties to society.
Love your work. I’m trying to do the same thing that you and three arrows are doing, but with civil rights history and current issues
Sold! I mean, subbed! Innuendo Studios, but with a focus on the civil rights movement, sounds incredible. Love your pfp, btw.
Watched and subbed. Looking forward to more content!
A george wallace video? have a sub good sir, may your channel grow.
Hell yeah, do work. I need to check the channel out!
IAmARevolutionary just checked your channel out! If life permits you, please continue! We need more voices like yours!
my best friend and i spent the our teen years being radicalised into the proto alt-right, it wasn't organised yet, there wasn't a street movement but there was a desire for one. this was 2006 ~ 2011. gamergate really was the testbed for their organising skills, because we'd been deradicalised by this time and knew what they were like before 2014. everything you said rings true, even before the organisation of the movement, when the people who would later form the nuclei of the movement were anonymous losers.
When you speak on broken homes and such at somewhat at the beginning, that makes me very sad. Trauma makes us react differently and this is just one of the ways people react different. No one is born to hate, people learn it or are pushed to it
IKR and no one is born religious or racists
Ageof Craccadillia Humans are very reactionary
IKR it's just natural. I had reactions while finding out about all the lies and deception lol put out to me and our society
I don't think he was claiming response to abuse was directly genetic. Im sure there's tons of factors.
Yeah, i'm not on board with broken homes being the source of right wing views. I think it's probably more the opposite. Lyndon B Johnson wanted broken homes to keep people on the dole and voting democrat. As much of a dickhead as he was, that was brilliant.
One of the most successful alt-right recruiters I’ve seen is Russel Brand, whether intentional or not. He comes across as a friendly guy, accepting of all people and ideologies, yet masterfully slow-walks his listeners into accepting beliefs that they wouldn’t normally have.
This is a really cool representation of why I’ve always felt like the tactics bullies use are innately fascist. Any abusive relationship, social or otherwise, fosters loyalty in an unhealthy way.
"Fosters loyalty in an unhealthy way." Huh. That is... a great way to describe the way people have latched onto Trump.
Seriously, you're underrated and under-subscribed to.
Definitely!
@@Dooger414 X Doubt
I... think a quarter million subs is not under-subscribed, by any metric or context. There are leftube channels floating close to this level of research and production with a hundredth of the attention, and Ian himself promotes some fairly often.
This, three arrows, the skull, and hbomberguy are as mainstream as breadtube gets. And I'm not the first to point out that (barring contra and a few film channels that dabble on politics) there's a suspicious lack of queer and poc folk making headlines on our spaces despite what the topics are. Which is understandable, and everyone is super aware of why they got the megaphone handed to them and just try to make the best of a shitty situation, but it still pisses me off somewhat.
Go sub to randos is what I'm saying. Pretty much everyone, Ian included, has made twitter threads or showcase videos to highlight often unheard voices in the community.
@@coldDrive the skull?
+nathan levesque
shaun
I would like to say you don't give yourself enough credit, Mr. Danskin. You're an excellent synthesizer of ideas from prior knowledge and probably one of the most effective communicators on the left right now.
That last bit is a huge compliment because we are embarrassed with excellent communicators such as Natalie Wynn, Oliver Thorn, and Shaun. However your academic focused, matter of fact perspective is vitally needed.
You're like the lefts Jordan Peterson, without the obsession with lobster hierarchy and you actually care about facts and the effects you have. It's a compliment I promise.
The comparison to Peterson is because I find your videos are far more useful from the perspective of providing some proscriptive elements to the left while pointing out how the right works. Through helping us understand how they operate and by simply prescribing something as simple as "keep trying" it provides a road map to deradicalize friends and family members.
Oh the salt right must really hate this guy. He's figuring them out better than just about anyone and if a bunch of sneaky racists hate anything it's someone proving to the world about what they are up to.
They don't hate me nearly as much as they hate women, queer folks, and POC.
His modesty should help him in the long term I think.
(You should probably change Oliver to Abigail. I know it's a year late, but I am a bit obsessive over details
As someone who only recently left the Mormon "Church" I can attest to how it can feel like an abusive relationship.
I'm a child of God. Been taught that as early as I can remember. They use it as a badge of pride: you're literally the offspring of a diety. And as the offspring of a diety, you have the opportunity to grow and increase in knowledge and power until you reach godhood.
But, since you're the offspring of God, should you REALLY be drinking? Should you really be swearing? You know, if God were gay none of us would exist. Etc etc.
Your being in the Church means you have so many opportunities that ONLY the Church can provide. Should you leave the Church, not only are you leaving your support system; you're turning your back on your "true nature" as a God and deciding to live like a "natural man".
No one ever explains it like that, exactly, but that is the main fulcrum that everything works in that church. Do you want to be a God? Do you want to see your family again after you die? Do you want to be healed of any physical or mental disability or imperfection? Then you MUST stay loyal to the commandments. Where do we get the commandments? Why, from our infallible prophet, of course! How do we know he's infallible? He said so! And the mouthpiece of the Lord couldn't lie!
Just want to say how much I appreciate these videos for helping me understand the rhetoric used to keep me docile while a group of old rich men fleece me and my family out of 10% of our income and force it's way into my family.
Congrats on getting out when you wrote this. How you doing now, friend?
congrats on getting out! i hope to do the same someday
Conservative evangelical Christianity operates EXACTLY the same way. Requiring evidence in your life that you are constantly improving and growing away from your inherent evil human nature. Disorganized attachment created in the comfort of singing songs to God and then a sermon message telling you to do better or else you'll go to hell.
Wow thank you for the very short insight on Mormons. I don't think I've seen anyone explain them like this before. I don't know when I'll need this information, but I'm glad I have it. Hope you are well.
I've been slowly moving away from the church mostly due to the subtle racism and homophobia that I kept hearing in Sunday Talks. I'm 22 and I was born into it and yeah they really do say that with their whole chest.
You're doing some good work bra. Here's one for the algorithm
Yeet
Oh right, I keep forgetting that matter
Yeet
"Let's say, for the sake of argument, that I have a corporeal body now."
"this is my life now... okay" also known as the boot camp experience
It is so beautiful when a wilderness therapy student realizes this
Trump is a cult hero because he appeals to their warped views of reality. Just look at trumps past and present chsracter and you ll see what your dealing with.
Boot camps absolutely use these techniques, on purpose.
Or the delta airlines experience
Lmao, I was literally thinking this as I thought about my Drills in Basic 20yrs ago. Lol
There's this really good segment on one of Sam Seder's videos where a phone guest talks about his experience at a Dave Rubin show, where Dave starts talking about how "liberals think they're so oppressed" when his audience starts chiming in about how they are actually facing oppression themselves and that their hardships are real. There is a definitive disconnect (at least in his audience who actually pays to go out to his shows) that project their own experiences onto their pundit of choice in a parasocial relationship.
Your description of disorganised attachment sounds very much like the way call centers (even reputable ones for large brands) treat their employees. My partner is routinely praised for their performance, but reprimanded for not meeting targets in the same breath
Honestly this is a lot of workplaces where the employee is treated as disposable. I do a lot of temp work and whenever I see a supervisor walk towards me, there's an almost immediate shot of stress-based adrenaline as I try to read their expression and rack my mind thinking about what I might be doing wrong, and then feeling relief when it's just an innocent comment or even a note of praise.
It's no surprise really that so many people are encouraged towards workaholism when this kind of attachment dynamic is instilled in so many.
@@evansageser6943 Indeed. Welcome to late-stage capitalism. We have seen decades of mockery of Stalinist work quotas, but how far from that are we really?
Oh god yeah. My freind got fined for telling an old lady at christmas to try see if a fuse was tripped and flip it back for her heating to work. Which did work. And the 90s year old woman didnt have to soend christmas freezing cold eaiting 6 weeks for a repair man to come and flip the fuse for her. She got fined ..docked pay.... for serving the costomer. Absolutely disgusting behaviour from the company.
@@evansageser6943 thats interesting because a lot of places now use tempting agencies. Like for nurses is what im thinking. Nurses who never see the same patient twice maybe never on the same ward so theyre kinda useless in that ok they can perform the basic function of nursing but they have no attachment to their ward their patients their job or anyone sround them cos they may never meet them again. Temp cleaners too who if they do a bad job cleaning a ward you have a very complicated route to find out who was on that shift in that area failing to clean well so to complain is futile. Even the ward managers were often seconded from soemhwere else. It just meant a total lack of ownership or relationship with yhe ward and patients. If that makes sense. And they also cost more because the agency takes a cut. So instead of you having a permenent salary as a nurse where you get to know everyone and how it all works youre always in at the deep end with others who are bit parts walk ons and no stability for you. No stability for the patients. No stability for the system. Costs more to get you there but you end up paid less with less security. That makes no sense. Its the same with things like renting hotels for housing social people or even hire cars. You have this total chaos and lack of stability and relationship to a thing which would then inform how well you can drive how well you can maintain a home how well you can serve a costomer. Etx.
Peripheral-route processing...in the military we called this "baffle them with bullsh*t," where (i.e.) a supervisor vomits words and jargon at an officer until their eyes glaze over, then gives some variation of "Don't worry sir, trust me / I've got this." (i.e. 'Let me do your thinking for you').
"The place they go to for relief also makes them angry." Do you think this thought could be applied more generally to outrage-milling on social media?
WIth the alt-right, you see a very curated form of anger toward those they despise, but with Twitter and other internet spaces, but I think this model could be useful in characterizing our engagement with social media more generally.
Don't know a source off the top of my head, but IIRC, Social Media found that anger was the easiest strongest engagement. So if Social Media keeps you angry, you're kept on the platform, watching the adds.
Not sure if that works, as often the problem isn't people looking for an anger fix. With a lot of social media, the _purpose_ isn't to log on and get pissed off, though it can happen. People go to Tucker Carlson, Dave Rubin, etc because the message of the day always centers around something their audience is or should be mad about.
People who get triggered by whatever they hear on other channels and social media, at least in my experience, often do so because they're bringing the negativity of their preferred channels into a different space. I often suspect that's the reason so many comedy videos on RUclips are plagued with toxic comments that try to simultaneously tell everyone not to take things seriously while insisting that jokes = facts.
@@dalinkwent202 They're not going to Social Media for an anger fix. Social Media *is foisting Anger Fixes upon them* because it keeps them on the platform, which is profitable for the platform.
@@diestormlie CGP Grey made a video a while ago about angering materials going viral that might have relevant citations: ruclips.net/video/rE3j_RHkqJc/видео.html
@@diestormlie But that wouldn't work unless they were _looking_ for an anger fix. Social media is trying to give people whatever keeps them coming back. Social media doesn't make judgements about what you want to look at, it only cares about what you search for and your general habits about where you like to spend your time as a way of giving you more of what _you_ wanted.
Please do talk about how the Alt Right and Cults aren't as organized as we tend to imagine
Because nobody asked you that in the Q&A I am super disappointing
He commented it on his Q&A if you're still looking for it
Because he wouldn't make money on his fear mongering grift when people realize that the alt right isn't real.
@@aaendi6661 what about all the people who identify as alt-right and all believe the same trash?
@@lulu4882 There aren't any.
The most eye-opening thing I've ever watched. Thank you so much.
the "who is the father/cult leader" question, its a rhizome of abusers who use the authority/righteousness of racism/fascism. its why the cult doesnt die. when a pastor of the alt right fails a new one steps up having learned the behaviors and dynamics. its a hydra
Just pausing midway through to say thanks for going through the disorganised attachment stuff and how it relates to falling in with hate movements. It happens. Nearly happened to me.
I was unlucky enough to have a series of childhood experiences that landed me with disorganised attachment (therapy helps, do therapy if you can!), but also lucky enough to only have a relatively mild dose of it (I mean, it sucks, but it could suck worse) - and I fell in with 4chan hate brigades that preceded Gamergate, most notably the one against Bioware's Jennifer Hepler.
I can't tell you what got me out of it, or what cooled me off, or exactly why I wasn't prone to the same when Gamergate came along because I just can't remember for certain. If I had to guess, I suppose that someone just went 'mask off' in front of me too quickly when I was still just duped into thinking it was about 'bad writing' before I had bought into its underlying misogyny - one step too far and one minute too early. But I was 'into it' at first because it confirmed my models. 'The thing that cares for you and has your best interests at heart is also a source of antagonism towards you, and you Must Live Up To Expectations'.
The attachment style healing wasn't how I got out because that persists to this day, I only 'figured it out' a few months ago (I reiterate, go to therapy if you can!), but something shook me out of it, and I'm glad it did.
I'm glad it did, too! ❤
Makes me really happy to read this. One of my most common reoccurring thoughts when I read stuff written by Gamergate types is "is this person even capable of shrugging off this shroud of ignorance?" That whole counter-culture of alt-right gamers seems to be fueled by an almost religious level of zealotry, fed by intensely toxic echo chambers (4chan and such.)
Wonderful YT name btw
I'm doing a class project on alt-right conversion stories. Will probably continue it in my master thesis. Maybe PHD if I get lucky.
TehMastere good luck
dont forget to add some "because america isnt about hate" or "the alt-left totally exist too and is problem" bullshit, if u want ur minor scholar achievment paper.
Akira Kirawabushi since when does academia hold this heavy right wing bias? I think he/she will do just fine.
@@W333L and that, what he think is "leftism", is just americuntized centrism
Akira Kirawabushi ???
I was neck deep in the alternative influence network even though I'm not even a Westerner. It's like a spider's net, the more you struggle, the more trapped you are.
Only reason I was able to un-redpill myself is that I didn't bear the immense hate I was exposed to as a part of the "other". Self-hating just wasn't my thing. In addition to the fact that I've studied economics and the conservative/liberal model is extremely simplistic and naive.
I can't imagine how a young white person can ever resist the allure of this network. The leftist media just doesn't connect as well as the alt-right.
You guys need to learn from them.
Honestly, even though the "aggrieved entitlement" thing makes sense, I can't say it makes me at all sympathetic towards such people. They come across as spoiled brats who aren't given what they want and want to make the rest of the world suffer as a result.
I can understand not having sympathy, to a point, but when you look at the bigger picture, it's a societal and parental failing. I feel sorry for them, that they weren't given the tools needed to adjust to change and disappointment.
3:40 Oh no, the Duolingo bird.
"Hi! I heard you were talking about abusive relationships! Speaking of which, have u done ur spanish for today?
The Owl Watches
@@IrisGlowingBlue What got me was when they said. Hey it looks like these reminders anrt working so were gonna stop reminding you. Like aww that's kinda hurtful
I'm not at-right, but my dad fell down that rabbit hole. I used to idolize my dad, and if I hadn't moved out of the house when I did and forced to reckon with what I believed and why I would have been right there with him. So while I'm not really a "former", I almost was and I can see all the ways the system had its hooks in me. This and the How To Radicalize A Normie rang so true that it left me in tears.
"Can you just build your own god from whatever's handy," felt almost like a statement morphed out of Barefoot Contessa. A sort of Ina Garten of political science and sociology. That was amazing to see you actually inside one of your own videos. I've been weirdly involved in watching your alt-right videos mostly as I've never quite understood how to unpack the mentality. It was so egregiously foreign that I just generally tried to keep it out of my life. I realized that much like a medical condition, blindly avoiding a symptom of society was also a dangerous act. I don't know why I'm rambling, great video, keep trucking.
I definitely feel the effects of contact hypothesis. Growing up in a rural town small enough to be called a village, and white enough to reflect sunlight back at the sun, I don't like how I learned about the history of slavery and racism without being exposed to African Americans. It's important to learn the horrible history of slavery, but not if that's your first and only exposure to African Americans until you're in high school.
There's no real alternative besides "Just meet other cultures stupid idiot," but I felt like throwing it out there that I've personally experienced something like that.
You're a modest fellow, Innuendo. You may not be a formally trained researcher, but you are a researcher. There are enough self-taught, legitimate work-folk in all sort of other professions to comfortably say that you are a self-taught researcher, and for my money's worth a damn good one. Godspeed, sir.
I've never quite understood the "I'm not an X" except in the context of plausible deniability like "I'm not a doctor but here is the medical research I've read." I think its a bit of an American thing where people are afraid of getting sued all the time. If you've done the research, you're a researcher. The desire for external validation of your credentials is both an appeal to authority and a risk mitigation of being wrong. Its not like they were handing out "philosopher" licenses in Ancient Greece where you had to pass a practical exam. Maybe he's just appealing to the egos of his academic audience where he's not threatening their professionalism by claiming the same credentials as them.
I know this is like a year later, but the reason this happens is capitalism.
Hustle/grind culture teaches people that any skills which they have not specifically been trained in or received awards for (and therefore could put on a resume) are invalid. The distinction between ‘professionals‘ and self-taught individuals can be very limited, or almost nonexistent. But the fact that it is not explicitly a part of their job description allows people to downplay the importance of what they want to say.
I like how you used the photoshopped picture of Ben with Peterson :)
good talk, thank you for sharing
Noticed that too, funny because many associates of those two use the photoshop over the original.
28:04 "He didn't build it. It predates him." was an absolutely sexy line, considering you go on to talk about intent and follower-type authoritarians potentially literally predating him in using him as an appointed leader... Not that he doesn't profit off of it, so it's more symbiosis than predation.
Wait, I thought "predate" in this sentence should mean "to exist before"
@@biscoitom No you're right, it does; I think Caitirina's pointing out that it's a pun in this context, too. Ian could've phrased it differently, like just "It's much older than him", but he picked the word that sounds like "predator" instead, which is the kind of thing you do on purpose
The part of this that I find the most interesting is how the majority of the “causes” you point to as being the root problem for extremism are also the same causes that can be used for good.
The civil rights movement is a recent example of this. It wasn’t a hatred of white people that caused this; but a hatred and intolerance of a continued system of racial injustice felt by a majority of people; both black and white.
The part of this video that I find interesting is a rationalization that “hatred” in-and-of itself is not something that should be just blanketed as negative and inherently bad. It can be rationalized and understood. It has a causation that can be justified; but the effect does not have to be pre-determined. Hatred and intolerance of societal ills and injustice can have a positive effect.
Not sure I'd go with "hatred" as being my comparison term of choice. Hatred is violent intolerance, a combination of anger and fear.
The Civil Rights movement is about achieving equality under the law as protection against abuse. Nothing has to be hated for that kind of movement to have power. The difference between a demagogue and a populist hero is that the signature of a demagogue _is hatred_ and corresponding calls for resistance with violence. Moreover plenty of civil rights causes don't "hate" intolerance specifically.
For example gay rights campaigns that don't agitate for trans rights ("they've got enemies in common isn't that enough" apparently not), feminist campaigns that get split over whether minority populations of women also deserve equal voting rights (you'd think "hey you're all women what's the problem" would be the ground rule but funny thing white feminists historically sometimes considered elevation of minority women as threats to their status as Whites first and Women second), Religious minorities that agitate for protection and then claim to have divine right to change the direction of their host societies, -shit even some White Power groups have trappings of being anti-inequality and anti-imperialism but ...yeah, they're Nazis and at the end of the day Violence and Exclusion are their baseline principles.
Or consider the legacy of Dr. MLK to Louis Farrakhan. The Good Doctor preached healing and reconciliation; Farrakhan's fixation of the repayment of injustice with extermination is very much the same goals by the opposite means.
These are examples of groups with varying concerns about intolerance and inequality but they sometimes split over just how much resistance they want to put up.
Hatred is flat-out a negative. It is possible to be Angry and Motivated without hating your target. It is possible to Fight the Power without reaching the terminus of "so let's just burn the whole fucker down" - _not_ a nuance Neo-Reactionaries and Accelerationists consider valid and an absence of outright Hatred is why.
Beretta249 “Not sure is go with hatred as being my comparison term”
Yes I know. That’s why I threw in “intolerance” as another qualifying word because I know that word will trigger some. No idea why it has to be handled with kids gloves all the time in some misguided effort to remain politically correct about words.
It’s acceptable to hate certain things. It’s also acceptable to address certain things with violence; namely violence sought against yourself.
Example: If some literal Nazis showed up on my doorstep and demanded I turn over any Jews I knew so they could be placed on trains: It is acceptable to hate them and/or remedy that situation with violence.
This is why “the left” continues to get its ass stopped politically all the time. Backing down and trying to reason with people that literally hate you. They wish death and violence against you. Extremists almost exclusively on the right want to walk into public spaces and mow down people in shooting sprees.
They are ideologically no different than literal Nazis.
It is okay to hate their ideology. It is okay to be completely and absolutely intolerant to them. Allowing it quarter is normalizing it in some way; and we as a society shouldn’t do that.
As far as the Civil Rights movement is concerned specifically; it is completely inaccurate to pretend that it was a wholly peaceful movement that achieved power through its own means. Running congruent to Martin Luther King’s movement the entire time was the constant threat of extremist black militias notably the Black Panthers and Malcom X. A large part of the reason that Martin Luther King was effective was that white Southerns viewed him and his collective movement as a compromise to violent backlash which they feared.
Which was ultimately effective. It’s much easier for the white southerners who didn’t agree with civil rights to view MLK as reasonable when the alternative is to outright reject him and worry that the next leader of the black liberation movement might be more inline with a white-hating demagogue.
As far as “gay” and/or “trans” rights; I don’t know how they are in any way comparable to previous civil rights movements. Marriage equality is the only barrier between their rights and the rights of others... once that bridge is crossed then the battle is effectively over.
Will homophobia still exist? Yes.
Will there be individual case-by-case examples of discrimination against gay and trans people? Yes.
Just like there still is for every minority of power and equal representation to this very day.
The difference is that is not a systemic and institutional problem.
The next battle for equality that will be waged is a class / economic one. And while you might not want to extend your beliefs to an ideology of “hate” for the opposition: let’s make one thing clear.
They hate you.
They are driven by unbridled greed and they want it all. If your definition of hate is violent intolerance; they absolutely have no problem being violent towards you. Just because they don’t pick up a gun and shoot you (which they might hire somebody else to do) does not limit that it is still violence.
They want to take away your ability to see a doctor if it means they might not get to have billions... is it not violence if it results in your death? We have a very peculiar way of framing things in this country... if somebody shoots you that is wrong and violence... but if they deprive you of food and housing and money and education and you ultimately get sick and die... something they knew would be the result... well that’s not violence. You still die; but that is accepted and a moral death?
Like I stated above that it is okay to hate Nazis; it is okay to hate this behavior too. It is okay to eradicate the notion that wealth should be obtained at any and all costs; and we should hero worship those that do so.
And just like the Civil Rights movement in the 60s: It is great to fight for equality by peaceful means and be a powerful force. Protest. Vote. All of those things.
But it must be done with an understanding that their is violent force behind these demands should they not be met. Something that all sides always have to keep in the back of their mind.
There is a popular phrase that I am reminded of here:
“Power concedes nothing without demand”
I have slightly altered it to what I think is more accurate:
“Power concedes nothing without demand... or else”
@@renshawjoshua Strong disagree. It is possible to act with violence, possible to vehemently oppose and be angry against an ideology and individuals, without being hateful towards any human.
You get a lot of little points right, but you get a lot of them wrong, too. Yes, "the opposition" hates us, and some may act in violence against us. Yes, we may need to defend ourselves with violence in self defense or defense of others. But 'hate' to me is an irrational, destructive emotion, distinct from 'dislike', 'disagree', or 'oppose'. And while marginalized individuals may very well be justified and righteous in their hate of hate groups, it is by *no means necessary* to effect change.
You make some pretty questionable arguments, too. "Marriage equality is the only barrier between their rights and the rights of others... once that bridge is crossed then the battle is effectively over." ... you know that gay marriage is legal in all 50 states, no? You know that homophobia and transphobia are culturally ingrained in so many people, even the most 'woke', right? You know that it's a legal gray area as to whether you can legally be fired for being trans, right? How is any of this not a sign of a systemic, institutional problem?
I want to be clear -- I'm a pacifist, but I understand that aggressive, revolutionary tactics are a thing that sometimes need to be used. I'm pretty sure I'm ideologically similar to you in a lot of ways, even if we may not necessarily agree on tactics. But I firmly, completely disagree that 'hate' for another person can ever be a good thing.
We learned in this video that a lot of folks who join the alt right are abused, or down on their luck, or disillusioned. By no means does this justify their actions; they are 100% responsible for what they do and say. But they are still *human beings* who deserve a base level of recognized humanity. Maybe they deserve some empathy that the way things turned out for them led them down this path. Maybe empathy what they're living through can motivate us more, because we think that in a country with our politics, no one would need to go down these rabbit holes of hate. We can have empathy even as we fight them; we can have empathy even when we need to act in self-defense; we can have empathy even as we do everything in our power to defeat them.
If we don't have empathy for their pain... how are we any better than them?
h2g2guy I’m not sure what you “strongly disagree” with that I said when nothing that you claim to disagree with.
At no point did I openly call for violence anywhere. What I did say is that emotional reactions which are normally cast in negative light; such as hate, fear, anger, etc should not be so readily dismissed as “irrational” and “destructive”.
You make a good point for when we live in some utopian society where everybody can stop and think purely by logic.... but that is not reality. If you would like to think in fantasy lands of how the world doesn’t actually work in theoretical terms... I guess that’s fine. But it doesn’t impact change within the confines of how reality works.
These emotions stem from legitimate causes. When a black man gets pulled over by the police, when a woman is walking alone on a dimly lit street, when a trans person or gay person is “outed”, and yes, even when an incel young white man doesn’t have any dating or job prospects: This generates these emotions. And they are valid based previous experiences and looking at other previous experiences. You can poopoo them away as “irrational” all you would like; but it doesn’t make the fear or anger any less real or any less impactful for those people going through an ordeal.
The reality is that fear and anger and hatred can (and according to the video will) be used and manipulated by dishonest actors with often disastrous consequences. Telling others how “irrational” they are might give you some sense of mighty righteousness that you can be so logical and pure... but that doesn’t change anything for them and nor does it solve any of their problems.
It should be acceptable to be fearful and angry when you have a legitimate reason because somebody is making you fear and doing horrible things to you and your family. The key is to channel that anger and fear towards the appropriate channels and address and fight the actual culprits.
As far as violence goes... there will be a fight. I do not advocate for such transgressions... but it should be duly noted that anybody that comes looking for a problem just might find an answer. There comes a time when you must stand against your oppressors and those that transgress against you.
And you have to be serious about such a decision.
It is what it is.
@@renshawjoshua It's your characterization of hate as a thing that can be used for good that I disagree with. Anger, rage, frustration, and those kinds of things can be redirected to positive ends. But I don't think the same is possible for hate. Perhaps in the short term, hate for people who are intolerant can sometimes have positive externalities, but for hate, you can never go far enough.
So I say vote, debunk, protest, fight, do whatever you need to do for what is right. But not because you hate the 'other side' -- do it because you love what is good, and you refuse to accept what is wrong.
When you began to mention cults, I was about to be like "oh shit here we go again." Every time I hear about cults on the internet it is either someone mocking cult survivors or someone being completely inaccurate.
But, you did really well picking your source and not spreading misinformation or jokes about cults. Thank you.
Yotube put Steven Crowder to next video. I NEVER watch that channel. I have previously flagged it as "not interested". RUclips algorithms SUCK: it tries to give "fair and balanced", so it decided that i should watch Crowder in a turkey costume next. How many of you got the same suggestion?
I've never actually _caculated_ the percentage of politically themed video I watch, alongside which youtube recommends a Crowder vid, but it's extremely high. For a guy who's being suppressed by the mean old liberal tech companies, he is really given a lot of exposure by the youtube algorithm.
Here. Luckily I have an extension that lets you block videos from certain users.
I've experienced multiple evidential instances that the algorithms actually favor alt right narratives.
It's not that the right "learn to code" knows how to "trick the algorithms", it's that the system must keep people bloodily separated between equally insane and desperate ideologies. Leftism and rightism.
It's a frontal lobotomy, you're choosing which socket the icepick goes into. That's all.
Crowder gets s Big audience. Ergo, gives RUclips a lot of money in ad revenue. They can care less if the guy just spread the same hateful rethoric as any other asshole who believes in a white male genocide in the country or if the guy is as fun as a stroke. As long as they get a few bucks RUclips will give him a platform and publicity (in the form of recommendations) cause they just don't give a shit. Oh yeah, did i mention that Crowder thinks he's been censored and persecuted? (We live in a dark time for the untalented rich priviledge white assholes full of hatred, i guess)
Yeah, he did send a link to his audience (i call them "idiots" cause they are idiots) saying that RUclips was putting him down in the search engine. In reality, he manipulated the link to make that impression, if you search by your own anyone can find his putrid lair of tasteless awful jokes and drag cringy segments easily.
Crowder's ideology: "Government bad (unless it's border patrol or the military), socialism bad, all capitalism good"
Never thought about it that way, boss. Really liked how you explained why I visited 4chan so often when I was being abused by my parents, lol.
Wow, you're all official! By a weird coincidence I just looked my abusive ex up and wished I hadn't. I had a troubled background and the bit about disorganised attachment resonated really hard. Thank goodness my principles on certain things have always been very strong. I probably could have ended up in a hippie cult at one point in my life though
I kinda developed avoidant due to getting gaslit as a kid.
@@reveranttangent1771 Yeah that's terrible
Compulsory education system should teach all child about the difference between healthy relationships and abusive ones.
34:10 literally gasped with the potency of that random biblical reference, damn man.
At 7:50, it also makes them an ACCESSORY to a HATE CRIME, which can cause a bond of shared liability and, thus, silence. Once you're complicit, you're in for as long as someone can convince you that nothing you did was wrong (but keep your mouth shut!)
Disorganized emotional attachment: sounds like my experience in the military.
Cheers to the one guy in the audiance with a sense of humour
13:36 this is hell, and is also my life. I no longer think for myself. My father was like this all the time, constantly changing the rules and getting angry at seemingly innocuous things. My mother, to this day, is puzzled at his behavior and does sanity checks with us to see if she was the only one to notice. He is never pleased, and always has something to say about how she cooks dinner or makes a dessert. My brother and sister are their own people, but me? My mind is fried. Authoritarianism and cults are shit.
You have such a young voice! I always imagined you to be younger than 25
that's a roundabout way of saying I look old
@@InnuendoStudios omg no lol.
@@InnuendoStudios I think you have a nice voice, though
Fantastic presentation!
I often find myself thinking about how the alt-right online pipeline/destructive group dynamic does not seem to have a leader/figurehead. You've given me much to think about.
Thank you for all your excellent videos!
Right when I was trying to sleep, another good video I gotta catch. Why my man.
My brother, with "invisible" Asperger's, got into the alt-right through 4chan, gamergate and incel forums. Because of both his and my own experience, I suspect people are also vulnerable to recruitment through conditioning by religion and narcissistic family relationships. What this video describes in the pain/disorganized attachment sections is called trauma bonding.
aghhhhhhh, your description of abuse and attachment really helped me processes my abuse, and thank you for explaining stochastic terrorism. I've been seeing one of my friends describe what's happening with COVID right now as stochastic eugenics/terrorism and this explained it
every time one could think you're done with this series you come and top it off with another banger, here's to the algorithm
This includes possibly the best description of attachment theory dynamics I've seen. I love the way he explains things!
Honestly you handled that technical difficulty so well that that alone deserves a like
I just read "The Dawn of Everything" by David Graeber and David Wengrow. After exploring a world of social possibilities throughout history, they end by asking how we got stuck in a world where people are not free to 1. move away, 2. disobey orders, or 3. create their own system of social organization. And the answer that they suggest involves the way relationships of violence coincide with relationships of care.
What does that mean? Basically patriarchy - a father supports and cares for the members of his household, and they care for him. But he also treats them like slaves that he can "discipline" however he chooses. The very word "family" derives from the Latin word "famulus" meaning house-slave, and the word "domestic" has the same root as "dominion." Hierarchical authorities mirror that same relationship with the governed. It struck me that this is exactly the sort of relationship that creates disorganized attachment.
Since at least the 80s, the left has been trying to reclaim the definition of family from the right, while the right has been claiming that we want to "destroy" the family. I think the right had a point. I think I do want to destroy the "family" - but replace it with securely-attached "kin" relationships.
(for the meaning of "kin," check out Kate Lister's TED talk titled "An honest history of an ancient and 'nasty' word")
I was basically an incel who didn’t hate women? Idk, I had major misogynistic tendencies, but like, I hated myself and knew it, I didn’t try to put my pain on “women being whores” I knew I was a loser and that was the reason for my struggles
I’m likely autistic, spent middle and high school hating my body and my mind and how my mother treated me, and I’m sure that dynamic led to my downfalls in attempts at relationships
After moving to my grandparents, having a work from home job for 9 months that almost killed me (full time in front of a computer screen from before the sun came up till after it went down drove me literally insane) I started a garden and trying to use the advice I had been accruing over my school years and started implementing
I was a radical leftist, I didn’t think anyone took my spot, my dad threw away our chances, it wasn’t the fault of minorities or women, my father, who was also failed by the system time and time again, if he had gotten clean (his mother used drugs while he was in the womb, a literal lifelong addict) and gotten his act together, maybe my grandfathers plumbing business would’ve had a successor instead of a hole to throw money into towards legal fees and commissary and rehab programs and yada yada
The government took our options, blamed my father for an Illness he’s had since birth, and then we get that classic single mother raising two kids story
Idk, I feel a lot of this, but I was aware enough to see the things I followed starting to go alt right and changed course, I like to say I was “almost or basically an incel before gardening and intermittent fasting saved my life” lol
Edit: the garden and fasting was brought on by a lifechanging acid trip too lol, forgot that part
Avatar: The Last Airbender just existing probably saved a ton of people from falling into bigotry.
Video is aging like wine. Dammit.
You’re a great public speaker, too! Thank you for investing so much time and care into making this information accessible for so many of us. ❤
"I'm sorry. I just get excited." = the most pure thing I've heard on the internet this week.
I discovered this channel 2 days ago and have already watched many of your videos. It is really insightful and helpful. I am a young, nerdy, lonely, white, male, who has been romantically unsuccessful. So more or less the alt right's wet dream of a recruit. But I did not get recruited. I am a super logical person (which helps explain some of the previous attributions) and ai never did really understand how it could work. How can people just ignore the illogical nature of it. Watching these videos not only gave me meaningful insight into how it happems, but also helped me notice how it is around me, everywhere I go online, and how a few of their styles or manerisms have made their way into communities I partake of. Makes me realize just how easily it could have happened to someone like me, and how I can recognize it so it never does in the future.
man the audience really did not appreciate the great comedic timing in some parts of the presentation
this video makes me glad im a trans guy. if i was born cis, i could have gone down this route like my cis brother almost did. i grew up in hawaii and was one of the only white kids in my school growing up. i got bullied for being autistic and stuff. i got abused at home. id like to think i wouldn't have been stupid enough to become alt right but i totally could have if i wasn't trans. :0
All the broad strokes here line up with me perfectly. Damn.
Swap out Hawaii for the UK, and switch the genders, and the neighbourhood for a school, and that’s pretty much where I’m stuck
All these people still insisting “the storm” is going to happen are like wives with a black eye insisting “He really loves me!”
Hey Ian, just finished the full series. This has been absolutely eye opening, please continue with it! Thanks for all the hard work, research, etc. You’re the fuckin man
Sir, you are unbelievably concise. I've seen/read a bit of the content you've referred to and you carry across their essence very adeptly
Sociologist here. I really appreciate that you included all of these videos with your presentations, thank you.
Bless you for saying you'd address things in the Q&A and then actually providing a link to the Q&A video at the end.
It always bothers me when self proclaimed centrists state that "both sides are just as bad" and we need to hear the other side too. They seem to instinctively be aware of the similarities between the right and the alt right, but don't notice that a normal right winger isn't blaming the jews for immigration.
I love that my LDS professors at Brigham Young University share your excellent videos enthusiastically, despite your mild dig at the school. : )
Bring up Fawn Brodie and her book No Man Knows My History, it’ll trigger them so fast! 😂
"In the world I see - you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway."
Tyler Durden
I'm a woman, but I feel like I'd thrive in that kind of world. 😊
@Colin Cleveland Antibiotics are becoming more and more useless some even warn of a "post-antibiotic" era with more and more multiresistant pathogens resulting from irresponsible overuse in our civilization anyway. Best painkiller is still Morphium so people could just grow poppy. Of course this is just utopean phantasie of a fictive charakter but the way things are directed now we will just confirm the self destruction explanation of the Fermi paradox. Maybe we already did and our planet is so irreversible damaged that our demise is simply a question of time by now
How will COPPA enforcement affect the algorithms that currently funnel minors towards white nationalism?
Oh dear gods, that's something to watch.
Not at all, because hate speech wont be considered kids content. But fighting hate speech might be, so leftists will need to start swearing at least once per video. Perhaps showing boobies too, just incase
It will depend fully upon who is in charge of enforcing the rules. We can decide who enforces these rules by electing individuals who are looking out for our interests.
@@jessiescott7795 youtube isn't a democracy. We have no vote. Come on
It won't. The recent Coppa debacle, from a legal perspective, is purely about targeted ads to kids, or rather, collecting identifiable information about persons under 13 (to sell them targeted ads). The only reason RUclips is enacting this 'not for kids' thing, is so that no targeted ads can run on those videos, and thus cannot be culpable under FTC regulations.
Stochastic Totalism is a really good term I intend to use when explaining all of this to people in the future.
I literally rocked back in my seat because of how good a term it was.
I remember in my conservative days, I would try and find some nuance and meet liberals half way during conversations with other conservatives online and they would immediately check out and call me an undercover liberal cuck. Like, I was agreeing with them on everything but the mere fact that I tried to see it from the other side made them ballistic.
1. I doubt you were ever an actual conservative, but exactly just a liberal pseudo-conservative like the neocons are. 2. Even if you were, apparently something suddenly made you convinced that White people don't deserve homelands or political autonomy. 3. Yeah, i don't exactly see many leftists wanting hear White nationalists out, you know, people who just want White people to live? Projection.
@@fnfallout5664 thank you for being an example.
@@regisglass5464 Of actual opposition to your misanthropic anti-White ideology? Sure.
@@fnfallout5664 lmao
@@fnfallout5664 White nationalists are people who just want white people to live? No lol that's not what that means.
That bit about attachment hit too close to home.
Oh yes...
Raine L avoidant attachment crew baby, let’s gooo.
Ian: Brings up Google Bombing
Me: Ha! Santorum.
It was surprising to hear someone who is so well-versed this stuff admit to never hearing about this twenty-year-old tactic. It was a pretty big deal making headlines when it really first got going during GW Bush's era.
It's a bit distressing, too, for those of us who have been trying to fight against misinformation that long and just feel like no one's listening. Especially when it's the folks with the microphones and soapboxes and an audience... :(
Googles Santorum
Oh...
Oh my
Great video! I enjoyed this longer format a lot!
Keep up the good work
This is such an incredible video. I've watched it 3 times already & I refuse to stop.
It's interesting how many of my favorite RUclipsrs have been talking about abusive relationships in some form or another lately. Maybe I'm just more keyed in because I've been researching them hoping to not get into one in the future. Literally read something this weekend about "trauma bonding," which sounds similar to disorganized attachment.
I don't think this has some sort of deeper meaning or anything, just commenting for the algorithm.
19:55 intersting fact, i ended up on your channel after i watched Joe Rogans interview with Penn Gilette, soon after i found about hbomberguy,philosophytube ,3 arrows and so on. Never have been recommended Ben Shapiro&Co
Your youtube hygiene must be pristine. My recommendations contain the garbage the trash threw out, on a daily basis. I use the report feature liberally, as an act of defiance.
Two reasons for that. One, YT has made an effort recently to alter their algorithm's tendency to go pure "you would like" similarity-based-reasoning. Two, Joe has had some "lefties" on recently (Pakman, Kulinski, Taibbi, even Gabbard, Yang, Sanders) and thus the algorithm is likely adjusting to provide a greater smattering.
@@smallpseudonym2844 Yeah lately,but all of that has been a while, and its not like i watch leftubers exclusively, i even was subscribed to thunderfoot for his schience videos for a while until his other things got too obnoxious
I tend to get recommended steven crowder. I don't know why... He claims he's censored... but he is not entitled to the top of the algorithms.
@@alexsmith2910
If I remember from the doc that leaked about the most recommendable channels, Steven Crowder was pretty high.
Almost missed this video. Glad I found it.
Btw, as a mormon, I feel like going to BYU is only good SOMETIME. I grew up outside of Utah and haven't ever really had the experience of being constantly surrounded by other people that just hold my same belief system. I'd like to think that this has helped my testimony grow since if I ever came across something that challenged my faith, I had to work through it instead of just going with the crowd. I can't begin to count the number of times I got teased for not drinking caffeine in High School lol
I'm an atheist and i take online courses from BYU's independent study program, mostly because my mom's ex-mormon and she went there. it's a good school the way i've experienced it. can't speak for the campus environment. the only time i remember it's a mormon school is when i encounter some random bible passage in the introduction to a lesson that's trying hard to be a metaphor for the concept that's being taught, but doesn't really fit. i never expect it so it usually gets a laugh out of me to see a reference to david and goliath out of nowhere in a lesson about momentum and velocity.
You're really not missing out with caffeine
Caffeine is just Adderall for cowards.
Four years into my army enlistment and I'm feeling a lot of discomforting similarities listening at around 12 minutes
Everyone's experiences are different, but if you feel as though you're getting disorganized attachment from your chain of command, something's gone TERRIBLY wrong. That's not how the military is supposed to work, ever.
I’ll have to remember the word “devalued” because there’s definitely something being done to these groups and if it’s not oppression then there has to be a word for it. As the film _Revenge of the Nerds_ cleverly pointed out (and 35 years ago!) there’s some overlap between the way nerds and minorities are abused and dehumanised.
since you brought up Altemeyer it's worth pointing out that his book on authoritarians is distributed for free and that there is an audiobook with Altemeyer himself as the narrator here on youtube.
And it is excellent and well worth the listen or read
Your doing gods work man. Please keep this up.
i never thought my politics youtube recommendations would merge with my rupauls drag race recommendations but here we are