Run Multiple Batteries at the SAME TIME on your RIDEAL | Battery Blender
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2021
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This is the DATEx2.
The DATEx2 device allows you to safely connect more than one eBike battery to your bike at the same time! Safely use up to three batteries in parallel with the DateX to boost your range, power, and lifecycles. Better range. Prolong and protect your eBike battery.
With the DATEx2 device, you can combine any battery, for example, 52V with 48V or even 36V, regardless of their chemistry, voltage, state of charge, or capacity as long as the controller supports the voltage and the hard-limits are not exceeded.
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Thanks for this video Randy! Being a FB member, I'm sure you're familiar with my new T42. Sorry if I can't shutup about it, lol. Your video is going to help a lot on my rackbag battery after my wty runs out...
Wow Randy, Thanks so much! This will be my fall/winter project! Supposed to get my Rideal this Tuesday!
Great video Randy. Thank you for sharing. On your Eggrider, change the capacity to reflect that you're running two batteries. For example, 14ah + 14ah = 28Ah. That will help the eggrider calculate your estimated range 😎 I can email you screen shots if needed
Why don't comments show up on your video mate?
I just installed a second battery 48v 20ah to my rideal. Combined with the stock battery 14.5ah, I now have just over 34ah. I’m using the eggrider v2 - do you have suggestions on how to get the most power/range/performance on the eggrider?
I'm wondering if there's a way to use only one battery pack at a time. Can this be done with a toggle switch rather than the DATEx2? If so, I'd love to see a video of how to hook up an external battery to my electric kick scooter
Nice informative video Randy. I've been looking at ways to add a 2nd battery to my Emove Roadrunner scooter (it has 2 controllers, so this device looks to be the simplest way of doing it).
Nice! Thank you!
How do you protect your unused connections from dust on the datex2?
Can you run two controllers on the datex device?
That is cool
I hope it turns out that way
I would love to be able to run a second battery on my opeak folding bike but I don't know anything about those connectors and whatnot. The wire coming from the motor has a black connector with 3 pins. I haven't seen anything with that yellow connector on my opeak
Has anyone done something like this for the d class?
Can you tell me Where i can buy the male and female 2 prong?
Great video, very informative. I do have a question regarding battery charging. The one device you said was able to charge, what about the charge connectors on the two batteries? Do they have to be connected or does it charge through the power outage cables? Thank you for your time great video.
It charges both at the same time with the DATEx2 connector that comes with that version.
Why are there two outputs on the datex2? Also three on datex3, what's the point of having so many outputs?
This will work on electric scooter like xiaomi scooter?
Awesome channel quick question I have the same bike and was wondering if you ever ran a 52v 20amh battery off the stock controller? Thx Randy in advance.
I haven’t but shouldn’t be a problem
SWEET, GREAT WORK. I just hooked up my Dualtron Storm battery to my Wolf King GT and I can say this thing is now the ultimate scooter. Basically 67AH. Check out my latest video's on it.
250w motor dose support 52v battery?
Would having the same volt and aH battery be ideal when blending batteries?
If I’d buy a small and large aH battery at the same voltage. Would the larger aH battery be used more , hence aging faster unequal then the smaller battery?
And, does the continuous amp out stack up with each added pack? Ie: 2 x 52v packs each at 20amps continuos output. Would that now be 40amps continuous output?
I don't see the 2nd battery mount on the shopping list, is it the HaiLong V2? I'm doing a BBS02 build and hope to re-use my Rideal battery. Thanks!
The second battery mount comes with the second battery. It’s not sold separately that I know of.
I hooked up dual 20ah 52v batteries to my bbshd. The difference in power is amazing. Two batteries can deliver twice the range or twice the power of a single battery.
How does it run at twice the speed?
It doesn’t
Does it have a slight power increase? Noticeable?
He neglected to mention the original voltage and what the controller is capable of handling.
Maybe a couple of m'ph and a bit more range, but a noticeable increase in torque.
Does it increase the voltage at all? Or does it just make for longer ride length?
Do voltages have to match exactly or can you mix and match safely?
72v + 52v would this ruin my controller? Is this safe to add together?
Thank you!
It all depends on the amperage of your controller. I think this maxes out at 40-50A. It does not increase the voltage at all.
Hey randy, would you happen to know if the d class is compatible with the xt60? Or already uses them?
Have no idea
Anyway to run a 4a fast charger without doing damage to the battery? I know the macmission 100 comes with a 4a charger for its 14ah battery. 3 hours would work for the break between lunch and dinner rush.
You should be able to charge a battery with a 4A charger, as long as it’s rated for 54.6V.
Where can I buy this from please.
If I add an additional battery, do I need to upgrade the controller or the hub motor to handle the extra battery?
No
Will this boost amps
Can the 2 prong cable from the Rideal control plug directly into a female XT60?
Not without modifying the cable
I'm trying to upgrade my controller and it Has an xt60 damnit
Hey Randy! I just ordered datex2 to run my hailong g70 batteries in parallel 48v 15ah and 17.5ah. Im planning to charge them with my 5amp chargers i have to cut charging times, BUT do i have to disconnect them while i charge them? Or is it a bad idea in first place to consider that. 🤔😁 Im afraid that they might get different amps from each charger, even tho they are both the same. Vruzend 5a 54.6v chargers. Thanks for help.😊
Both batteries have own charge ports btw and on-off switches 😅
WOW , So if I want to hook up two 48 volt 1500 watt 35 amp baterries could I use the 60 amp or 90 amp version ?.
Hello I'm planning connecting all of the three different, batteries at the same while being able to charge them at the same time.
How do you charge the batteries do you have to unplug the datex2
No. You charge them through their charge port like normal.
How many amps does the rideal controller have?
17A
I purchased affordable hoverboard batteries equipped with built-in Battery Management Systems (BMS) that match the voltage of the original battery, almost a fraction of the stock battery's cost. When the main battery's charge depletes, I switch off the main battery and connect my secondary battery. This method effectively doubles the travel distance. I've been utilizing both batteries for over 1000 miles without any issues. Therefore, I don't understand the need to consider a battery with a different voltage. Additionally, using a blender doesn't seem like a practical option, as it would be challenging to monitor both batteries while pedaling.
Great video! My question is, if I have 3 batteries each have 20A output, will I get 60A output? Because most say it will lean on one battery until they are all equal, then they run together. I understand that the AH's are combined, but I am also in need of the total Amp continuous out and multiplied. Thanks for the help.
I would go with the 90A to be safe
@Randy Rides Yeah I was thinking that. But, my question still is will this combine all 60 amps out. You see, if I build one big battery 52v, 14s, 6p, then I get all the continuous output amps. But with 3 x 52v, 14s, 2p each pack has 20 amps continuous out. See what I mean. I just want to make sure I still get my 60 amps out continuous.
@@ytnaxmy guess with how the device works is NO you will not get the paralleled amperage output of both batteries while one is higher. To me it sounds like this is using diodes in a way to prevent the lower one from being charged by the higher battery. So I can’t see how the lower battery would be providing any output current if there is something isolating the lower voltage battery
I don’t really understand the purpose of this device. How many people are deciding halfway through a charge they want to add a full battery? Why not just charge up your 50% battery and parallel them at 100% like any normal person would?
Most batteries can be charged at 0.5C no problem ie 2 hours or so. If you’re at 50% then you should have no problem charging to 100% in under 2 hours (probably 1.5 hours since CC CV dictates the last 10% or 20% of charging slows down)
If you’re in a rush use a power resistor or series some automotive bulbs to discharge your full battery while charging your 50% battery. Your discharger probably won’t be as powerful as your charger but you could still likely equalize them within an hour easily if there’s a time crunch.
If you’re paralleling batteries you really shouldn’t be randomly pulling them apart and using them as a single battery while one sits. Ideally you’d like to keep their charge cycles identical so that degradation is the same. Paralleling batteries with different cells is also not a good practice unless they happen to be identical specs like LG MJ1 and Sanyo NCR18650GA or LG MH1 paired with another 3200mAh 10A cell like the Panasonic 18650BD. You want IR and capacity to be the same so there is an equal draw from each pack and you want them to degrade at the same rate. Pairing a high IR pack with a low IR pack means the low IR pack will provide more of the current but the batteries are in parallel so they will balance each other out at the same voltage. In my mind I think that’s going to cause issues when you are on the throttle vs off the throttle. This difference in IR could also exist in the build quality. Identical cells in each pack but one uses pure nickel and the other uses nickel plated steel. The pack made with pure nickel strips is going to have significantly lower IR, the same would happen if one had a series connection for every cell in parallel but the other pack had 1 series connection for every 2 cells in parallel. One pack using multiple 10AWG wires soldered to a beefed up main positive and negative is going to have much lower IR than a pack that just has 1 12AWG wire soldered to the main pos and neg without any additional beefing up of the nickel on those terminals.
There’s so many variables that could cause problems down the road. Paralleling batteries is something that shouldn’t be done unless you do it from day 1 and use two identical batteries.
These seat of your pants style mods are likely the reason why so many e-bike batteries end up in the second life storage market. These mods cause uneven wear on batteries and eventually a couple groups go wildly out of balance and the user has no clue why their battery now dies after 3 miles without even checking the voltages of each group.
In a way this device encourages a bad practice instead of helping people understand why you should parallel batteries that are new and identical if you want to get a full life out of them.
I,m wondering dus this work on a ado A20F bike with this DATEx2?
I honestly have no idea what you're asking.
It works with any ebikes from 24V to 73V nominal (84V max)
Will this work with different voltage batteries? 48v main battery and 36v secondary
Yes - I think it’s rated up to 52V. Should be in the description on the website.
@@RandyRides excellent content, I was sent here by Google and Shreddie Eddie McSkate.
Went over to Sparks Cycle Works and bought the blender in collab with Datex2. 169.00 delivered.
Your video answered every question! 2 things "NO REGEN" bikes allowed with ths device and
clearly states, for use with 36,48,52,60 and 72 Volt batts. 35AH with good airflow max.
@@tommcgill1671 Thanks. What video of Shreddie’s sent you?
Randy buddy! Big question,... So, if you have a DATE Dx2C and are running say a 48v 10AH battery and a 52v 14AH battery. When charging with the port, must you use a specific charger being one battery is 48v 10AH and the other is a 52v 14AH battery? Little confused because I thought you need to use the specific charger for the specific battery voltage and AH? Hopefully you understand my question. Thanks!
Response from Gareth:
Inside the battery is a BMS, battery management system.
You can charge a 48v battery with a 52v charger and when that battery is full it will simply stop taking a charge.
So when you charge two batteries, 48v and 52v then when the 48v reaches 54.5v it will stop charging but the 52v will continue charging until its full at 58v.
Ah is full tank size. 14Ah for example is 5 gallon fuel tank. 35 Ah is 15 gallon fuel tank.
In order to charge both batteries fully, you would need to use the 52V charger, connect to the Dx.
@@RandyRides ty!
@@RandyRides Thanks so much Randy! Got my Rideal today (ordered a red, order said red,.. but I got the dark blue..lol). Dang, its a awsome ebike. Looking forward to doing some of your mods and making it a long distance Rails to Trails Beast! Thanks you for sharing your time, knowledge, making such good instructional videos!!
@@jwagner217837 Keep coming back for more 👍🏻
If I use 2 batteries in parallel, both 48v 15ah ? Will it then be 48v 30ah ?
Yes
@@RandyRides do you get more than twice the range? More than if I were to use them both separately?
@@anio6865 I haven’t tested that yet.
What about a 72v 50amp bms contineus for the future and that would really sell cuz my motor needs 72v 100amp peak and 50amp bms contineus and having two 15ah x 2= 30ah? With the power of 72v
You can’t use anything over 30A on these
@@RandyRides its why i am asking if there will be in the future a adapter that will? Cuz if there is one right now for a 30a why cant there be one for a 50a
@@RandyRides and i am so sorry but thanks for the reply
Can the Rideal handle more than 48v batteries.Possibly 72v?
I wouldn’t go with a 72V, but a 52V should be okay.
72V works without any issues, 84V max
Thanks for the video! Know if this will work with the DCLASS?
I don’t know what the setup looks like on the D Class, but I’m sure there’s a way to do it.
@@RandyRides how’d you figure this out btw?
@@Adriannoah07 Have you seen my channel? 😂😆 Ebikes 4 Life!
@@RandyRides lol obviously I’m new 😂 just bought my DCLASS would love to add an additional battery. New ebiker for life here! Hehe
@@RandyRides Hi randy need to know where to buy two prong cables for my rideal
Thats at least 10kg in weight just for say 2 52v batteries. A 48v high amp hour is 5.5kg. A 52v high amp hour is 5kg
And? There’s people out here running 90-100Ah of batteries for food delivery.
@@RandyRides I was literally thinking out loud 🤣 I've carried am extra battery on my mountain bike and I have a bbshd and I am 6" 4 so in no light weight. I like to keep the weight of what I carry to a minimum. I have now just bought a trailer that weighs 11kg empty. I plan on using it just to being my groceries home and save on file bills.
That Data x2 is costly ! $163 US!
The only thing the rideal lacks is suspension.
The beauty of the Rideal is that it is a simple but efficient e-bike. And I love that it has mechanical brakes too! I own 2 othe ebikes, a mid drive mtb with full suspension, and a yamaha civante road bike. The Rideal will be the perfect addition for errands, rails to trails, and just leisurely rides using the throttle. For when i don't want a workout or sweating.
I don’t find it uncomfortable at all without suspension. I don’t ride off-road though, just gravel and concrete trails.
Bolton ebikes sells one for 60$-- half the price! They arrive in a week.
Sweet
We have tried that and is 2.5 times less performant!
That is, you get what you pay!
More power, more range, and no Alibaba/Chinese crappy parts inside!
Only genuine certified parts made in the USA!
@@DATEx2 Is the Battery Blender and Datex2/3 the same unit with the same parts inside it?
@@raczyk yes they are 100% identical,.except the logo on the 3D printed case
SPARKCYCLES wanted to do their own Branding which we respected
Seems like a hassle and more complications to me. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe this will give you any more power (torque) or top speed. Wouldn't it be simpler if you just carried the 2nd battery with you and swap batteries when the first one died?
Not if you want to add a bigger battery than the style that comes on your bike. It’s also more efficient in the way that it works. You can pretty much have any sized battery you want with this setup. Of course it’s “easier” to just swap batteries, but this has a different purpose, especially if you want to add more than 2. Plus people like options. You can do it the way you want, but someone else might be interested in this way. I wouldn’t make the video if it was just a waste of money.
@@RandyRides Your point is understood but in my case the main reason I would like to be able to have an extra battery would be to get me back to my point of origin if I went so far as to deplete one battery completely. Even though these eBikes can be operated as typical manual bicycles, very often the geometry and additional weight of an eBike make pedaling more difficult than a regular bike. Three batteries to me would serve no purpose. A typical eBike battery weighs in the range of 10 lbs and to have 30 lbs of batteries isn't something I'd like to carry around with me.
@@ozzie444 Some people use their bikes for Uber Eats and DoorDash and make more money when they don’t have to charge as much. Everyone’s purpose with an ebike is different. I would rather carry enough juice with me then to get stranded. It’s happened to me, and you’re right, it sucked to pedal for 4-5 miles. When I did the PAS2 test on the Rideal, that’s what happened to me. Once I hit about 50 miles, I had to pedal manually, just because at the end of my ride I went to PAS5 to get home faster. Definitely a mistake I won’t make again. 😉
It gives you a LOT more power, RANGE and a bit more speed
The voltage SAG is cut in half!
And no need to swap batteries
@@DATEx2 I'm a believer now. I've got a 52Vx17.5Ah battery for my Himiway Cruiser. I recently just got another 52Vx20Ah rectangular battery that I'm going to mount on my rear rack. Right now I'm waiting on delivery of the battery blender and the adapter cables to go from the Himiway type connections to the battery blender and new battery's XT60 connections. Hopefully this will cure me of my "range anxiety".....lol.....🤣
Wow, that’s great but overpriced.
We use genuine, certified parts made in the USA.
1.5mΩ internal resistance, 1.35 watts dissipated as heat
That is we don't need a heatsink !