Yuta has the output to kill Mahoraga. Cursed Speech can pause him once, he has Love Beam (which is almost strong enough to stalemate Ishigori's charged up Granite Blast, which has the highest CE Output of any Culling Games Sorcerers). Rika is also strong enough to stall him because she could throw hands with Heian Era Sukuna without being fully manifested. Worst case scenario: Jacob's Ladder disables Cursed Techniques. Mahoraga is a Cursed Technique as he is the Tenth Shadow
granite blast could't oneshot yuta, rika and ryu himself. Mahoraga tanked dismantle before adaptation, and sukuna's version tanked gojo's black flash. I doubt love beam which is weaker than granite blast can seriously injure mahoraga. Besides, vo.0 love beam is much stronger than current love beam^6 because yuta used a binding vow to remove the output restriction.
@@f135-m2s That's because Yuta and Rika are one of the most durable characters in the series, and it's made up of Ryu's CE so it makes sense why he would tank it and even without that fact he would still be able to tank it. Mahoraga didn't tank dismantle before adaptation not sure from where you pulled this off, but Sukuna's dismantles were going through him. Mahoraga never tanked Gojo's black flashes he guarded against them and was still heavily injured, Mahoraga was at risk of getting 1 shot by a normal output red from Gojo. In conclusion outside of a domain Granite blast has the potential to delete half of Mahoraga and inside the domain potentially even destroy him. A CE blast from Yuta inside the domain while Rika is manifested would be bad for him, additionally Yuta has many more wincons inside the domain as well aside from his CEO.
okay brother, love beam that even when buffed by a death involving binding vow was not able to instantly kill geto but it will kill mahoraga, makes sense, not to say you're comparing heian era sukuna that was (implied by sukuna himself) with cursed energy reserver around the level of yuta's, and with obviously yuta himself and itadori there, not to say that the point of mahoraga being the cursed technique is simply a assumption, seen the technique itself is the ability to control shadows and summon ten shikigamis from the shadows, cursed techniques have to be made out of cursed energy, and that's not the case with shikigamis, seen that agito and round deer are able to use reversed cursed technique to heal themselves and others, which would be impossible for anything made out of cursed energy
@@jcplays1749 the biggest misconception with Ryu is that people think he has the highest output in history meaning highest offence but what he has highest is raw CE output not overall output, Hollow purple probably has higher output than Granite blast but Gojo cannot directly fire a CE beam on Ryu's level, so a granite blast level of attack shouldn't be able to kill Mahoraga
@@Endmaten1 reread chapters 233,235. Mahoraga clearly tanked gojo's serious punches and used his sword to block two black flashes. Yes several dismantles went through him, but it was megumi's mahoraga and it only gives him more credit, since he survived it(gojo died after one slash went through him). Also, in one of the frames, Ryu casually tanked love beam with little damage. Deleting half of mahoraga is bs, if granite blast only knocked out heavily beaten up ryu, i don't see how it goes through maho, even 120% (love beam is weaker than granite blast)
Mahoraga loses badly to opponents who have options to multiple different techniques, especially ones that all work completely different from one another
Okay, the fact that this is even a debate is embarrassing , first of all lets make it very clear mahoraga has been potraited to be the strongest shikigami in jjk He was able to adapt to malevolent shrine and was able to adapt to limitless, I love yuta but I struggle to see how he wins , sukunas domain has no barrier which makes him remove his weakness that it can be broken , yutas domain has a barrier , do you think yutas domain can contain mahoraga ?? , he breaks that domain instantly , and his cleave as a sure hit can't be as powerful as sukunas at all given he could only scratch sukunas face with it Lets talk about jacobs ladder , jacobs ladder is shown to eraducate cursed object in a sorcerer , is mahoraga a cursed.object .... no , but lets assume he is , its not a single hit kill attack..as it couldn't kill sukuna..which means mahoraga adapts to it I think.people are stupid and this shouldn't be a debate, 15finger sukuna would have lost to sukuna if he didn't have his fire arrow and gojo would have lost without hollow purple ....embarrassing debate None of yutas arsenal can kill mahoraga in a single hit
Mahoraga has the strength to break a domain but only if hes given the chance to, or he has been given time to fully adapt to it, and with the way yutas cursed technique and domain expansion REVOLVES around using multiple techniques that all vary in uniqueness, mahoraga would get taken apart badly, his adaptation only works on opponents who have a limited amount of options, thats why he lost to gojo despite adapting to infinity and red, he wasn’t given time to adapt to purple. Mahoragas strong, but like i said, being strong doesn’t save you from getting knocked around by multiple different techniques
@@pbsuite this is why the ten shadows exists, and why hes the ultimate reward, they have varying different uses that if used right can defeat mahoraga, yuta also has that benefit along with a broken ass domain expansion
@@justaguywithagoodphoto4801 problem is that yuta doesn't have enough power to stop mahoraga before adaptations begin. His strongest move couldn't even kill geto who is far below Mahoraga in durability.
@@ineedalife6 that depends on whos using mahoraga at that point, i think the love beam is more then strong enough to kill mahoraga, and thats due to the fact that is an experienced yuta now and not simply a yuta who was just barely figuring out how to use cursed energy. Which greatly changes how the fight goes, hes got options, rika, and he also has knowledge to properly weaponize everything
Yuta is so lucky, his classmates are Maki and Panda (no CT), his senpai is Hakari (without a specific CT), his teacher is Gojo (CT, which you cannot use correctly without six eyes), his second teacher is Miguel (possibly without CT), his kohai is Yuji (no CT), Nobara (unfortunately died before meeting him) and Megumi (probably can't copy 10 shadows). How can it be so unlucky that all the useful CT you copied were from your enemies you fought 1 month ago😭
First of all, yuta was STARTING to run low on cursed energy in that fight, and he had previously fought several other sorcerers including two special grades. THEN tanked thin ice breaker and granite blast which are both very powerful to heal from, yuta had been active for awhile before STARTING to run low. Secondly, Yuta can use his CT’s outside of the domain but he can only use them once while rika is active, but one jacobs ladder would kill mahoraga. even if that DIDNT kill mahoraga, yuta’s love beam is stated to only barely be weaker than granite blast which is the highest output blast from the person with the highest CE output in the series, one granite blast destroyed several blocks of the city when he used it against yuta and uro at the start, and love beam is only BARELY weaker than it, so yes his output is enough to kill mahoraga. Plus mahoraga’s adaption would be divided and couldn’t focus on everything as effective at once, so multiple CT’s would slow adaption down. Overall, Yuta slams. PLUS let’s not forget cursed speech has been shown to be able to say “return” to shikigami and they instantly disappear soooo..yuta wins
jacob ladder oneshot mahoraga, mahoraga its a curse technique, and jacob ladder cancel any CT, ppl cry to much with the "1v3" that they just dont remember mahoraga is not a sorcerer, its a curse technique 😭
@@mariano8085Mahoraga is NOT a CT. Mahoraga is a shikigami that is summoned through a CT. That’s like saying Getos curses are CT’s. No, they are curses controlled through a CT. Mahoraga is a Shikigami controlled through a CT. It would not cancel him.
Mahoraga isn't weak enough tobe beaten by yuta with that shit base won't be enough and there's a huge chance that jacobs ladder might not work comment above mine explains it well Mahoragas healing and tanking abilities are more than enough to deal with base yuta stop thinking like yuta is up against a glass cannon that's pure bs
@@usurperzo Mahoraga is a shikigami that's summoned through the 10S technique that uses the shadows as a medium. You nullify the CT would mean you nullify the connection of the user and the medium resulting in the shikigami's deactivation. Let's not go into headcanon now, Hana is stated to nullify any CT, there's no exception.
With cleave/dismantle and now angels technique I don’t see how Mahoraga wins now. Buddy has to adapt to 6 different curse techniques in order to win. Lets not forget about Rika to whose physically stronger than Yuta himself
we don't know how mahoraga's adaptabilty would face against yuta's copy technique, seen that he mahoraga can adapt to any and all phenomena, meaning that there's a chance he adapts to the whole concept of copied techniques, meaning no matter what yuta uses, if it's from his copied arsenal, mahoraga could easily adapt to it, this is obviously a theory, but anyways, rika gets one shotted by mahoraga seen that he can use positive energy and it would destroy her easily, and that yuta does not have anything with the destructive capability to destroy mahoraga asside from the jaccob latter, which would not even work against mahoraga probably, seen that mahoraga isn't a cursed technique (this is literally a misinformation invented by mere) mahoraga is shikigami, that is not made out of cursed energy, he is summoned via cursed energy and a cursed technique (him not being made out of cursed energy is proven by agito and round deer, both can use reversed cursed energy to heal themselves and others, which is impossible for being made out of cursed energy to do, already proves he's not a cursed technique himself) and don't even bring the "but his adaptabilty would be deactivated" because his adaptability is never refered as being a cursed technique, no shikigami posses cursed techniques, they simply can do things with cursed energy that other beings can't
@@ggabraf rika is made out of cursed energy and would get one shotted, 15 finger sukuna himself stated that if he was a curse at the moment he fought mahoraga, the first blow would have killed him because it is imbued in positive cursed energy, not to say that rika is 3v1ing a sukuna with about 50% of his cursed energy reserve (he said he had roughtly the same amount as yuta when he entered the battle, and yuta stated that sukuna have around 2x more cursed energy than him) and with that said, sukuna didn't land alot of hits in rika because she was being only partially summoned alot of the times, for god's sake bro, rika got destroyed by one of ryu's punches, the same ryu that got one shotted by 15 finger sukuna, the same sukuna that said himself he would have died from mahoraga's first blow if he was a curse, mahoraga cleans the floor with rika
My GOAT Mere great vid as always!!!! Would love to see a video ranking currently the strongest characters in the manga/ Who deserves the special grade title?
Reminder that jacob's ladder has yet to be fully completed as both times it was used megumi caused both users of it to end it early. Just because you can output rct(through his sword) doesn't mean you can resist jacob's ladder,it's an extension of angel's technique which is ct ereasure it's way beyond RCT.
Heres another scenario. Would yuta beat 15 finger sukuna? "The answer is yes, and badly yes." So if a 15 finger sukuna can beat and be somewhat even with mahoraga then why would yuta vs mahoraga even be a debate 💀
What's the scaling for Yuta over 15F Sukuna tho. Megumi compares already 3F Sukuna with Toji in terms of speed, not to mention post awakening Maki which is basically Toji fought in a 2v1 with Yuji's help against massively nerfed CE output Sukuna (basically 1.5F Sukuna in Megumi's body) and the latter was handling both even then. Yuta also struggled against Ryu while 15F no diffed Ryu
@@Salalazai Yuta was fighting a 3v1 and was much weaker than he is now with no different techniques or anything and had used a lot of CE in killing the cockroach with RCT. Yuta also clashed with Ryu even when he didn't need to to satisfy his desire.
@@pbsuite One Jacobs Ladder ends the fight, it extinguishes cursed techniques and Mahoraga is a Shikigami of the Ten Shadows, a cursed technique. Also Cursed Speech and the Rika love beam are also viable
jacobs ladder is overrated af, its a controverial power because if its so powerful, then why didnt it kill sukuna , jacobs ladder is a maximum output and it couldnt kill sukuna, mahoraga is too durable Maki is being compared to mahoraga because of his durability At the end of the angels ct is controversial itself , but he cant kill 15f sukuna or mahoraga,
@@pbsuite It doesn't matter because it extinguishes cursed technique, if Mahoraga was a sorcerer then you'd have an argument but because Mahoraga is an extension of a cursed technique it would just one tap
@@pbsuiteJacobs ladder extinguishes cursed techniques idiot sukuna isn't one 😑😑😑😑 but mahoraga is and even then it damaged sukuna greatly,it would just extinguish mahoraga since mahoraga is a cursed technique stop making a clown of yourself
Are you serious , I think anime fans have low.memory , let me remind you that mahoragas sword.of extermination has broken gojos domain He has superhuman speed and strength , stop embarrassing yourself
@@pbsuitemahoraga had already adapted to UV tho so that’s a moot point, Strength speed and durability is quite common in anime so idk what your talking about, Yuta has been stated to be especially tanky and hard to kill due to RCT, and positive energy isn’t going to kill him, it’s only going to heal him if anything Then u have to scale them 15 finger sukuna no diffs mahoraga Current yuta is harming sukuna multiple times before his domain expansion, and in his domain expansion has shown he can definitely fight sukuna at 20 fingers
@@pbsuite never stated he’s at 10 fingers he at 20, having half the cursed energy amount doesn’t make his output any weaker, and the only thing weakened was his RCT output, the point of the hiean form was that it was a full revive. Again, this sukuna’s only nerf at this point was RCT output, and maybe cursed energy amount and/or ce output Being weakened by Yuji doesn’t matter, the only reason Yuji even hit him was because of Yuta first, It’s also clear that Yuta and Rika did the most damage
I cant take youtubers with agenda seriously , Gege has made it very clear that mahoraga is the ultimate cheat code, the longer you fight him ,the lower your chances of killing him Jacobs ladder cant instantly kill mahoraga, its debatable if it can even work on him Stop the agenda
@@fireknight12390he is a shikigami summoned by the technique also in this scenario mahoraga can not be helped by a 10 shadows user so its weird to say he just disappears
@@neferpitou.The fact that Sukuna took significant damage simply because his heian era form was produced through CE (even though he’s not a CT). Saying that because Mahoraga is a shadow, but isn’t a CT and doesn’t get instantly eviscerated is a bit weird to say
@@ttv.Just_Senju I don't fully understand what you are saying but what I mean is mahoraga is a summon he isn't an aspect of ten shadows he is like a person in that technique but also for the purpose of this fight taking mahoraga as a single shikigami it will be weird to just say he is a technique and Jacobs ladder erases techniques, it's even weirder cause Jacobs ladder doesn't do instant damage it's more like over time and that's bad when your aim is to kill mahoraga immediately with one attack
lets talk about how unfair gege is to yuji. bro gave yuta a copy technique an external hard drive for cts and ce plus a broken domian expansion. all yuji got is soul punching and blood manipulation?
Supongo que a gege le gusta hacer sufrir a yuji para desarrollarlo, en el pasado gege dijo que no le gustaba yuji asi que ya se entiende la manera de actuar de gege
Depends on what mahoraga r we talking about. Let me explain, the shikigamis grow stronger if the user is stronger. Megumi mahoraga was 13-15 fingers of sukuna, but meguna mahoraga…. It was equal to 19-20 fingers and had the world cutting slash. Gojo himself said that mahoraga was on pair with meguna’s power. Yuta is equal to 17 fingers, so yeah mahoraga would slap yuta
@ roughly 15. a good estimate of how much he has would be precisely half considering yuta analyze that sukuna would have roughly double cursed energy reserves. And when sukuna was caught in yuta’s domain and thought them for a bit he commented on the fact that his reserves were down roughly 50% that practically matched yuta’s
When Hana asked if Gojo was evil and that's why he vanished I don't think it means to say JL has some ability to discern evil but she was asking if he was a cursed object and erased him, because of Angel's personal beliefs deeming them evil. That's why she asked if she was an "evil spirit".
6 months later and after Sukuna quite literally scaled Jacob's Ladder, no way, Yuta gets folded by Mahoraga. Yes, Yuta has a lot of options, but he lacks the firepower. Plain and simple. Jacob's Ladder wouldn't outright destroy Mahoraga, and it's nowhere near close the fire arrow or Purple. The Love Beam is powerful but also won't vaporize Mahoraga (unless Yuta tries another Hail Mary biding vow on his life, like he did against Geto). The entire fight would be Yuta hits Mahoraga with X, click, Mahoraga is now resistant to it, rinse and repeat until Mahoraga adapts to Copy itself. Also: 5:00 - No, that's a stylistic choice of the anime. If Sukuna opened up his domain, Mahoraga would get sliced up badly, but there is nothing to indicate he would be destroyed. Again this is hindsight, but we have seen many characters with high defense tank Shrine even for a few moments (Yuji, Gojo).
If Yuta uses a domain on Mahoraga what would Mahoraga do exactly? Yuta would be able to use Jacobs Ladder as a sure hit effect at a higher level then angel ever could and he has his stats buffed from domain on top of that. Just how the hell can Mahoraga deal with that and Rika and Yuta at the same that.
@@NeoAwakened Just read the manga my dude. Yuta doesn't get perfect knowledge on the techniques he copies, and we know that he actually has very poor CE control. Which is how Sukuna tanked it and just the same how Mahoraga would.
@@ggwp638BC Sukuna it was never explained why how he tanked it. He was using hollow wicker because he didn't want to be hit and randomly drops it and tanks it. Most likely a binding vow
Actually super clever- (forgot Inumaki said that to divine dog) except for the fact that Mahoraga can just be resummoned by the user. He doesn't get destroyed, but cursed energy does get used up by him being summoned
is this guy forgetting yuta can use techniques outside of his domain? the litteral point of him winning is him finishing the fight early that's litteraly in character1; also he ran out of cursed energy not because he healed but because he outputed positive energy
10:20 this is semantics tbh. Angel's CT nulifies CT's, so a beam on Mahoraga, who is a manifestation of the 10 shadows, should take massive damage or evaporate
The angel curse ct is a iffy cause it not clear if it would kill mahoraga cause it say it extermates the person curse technique so either your right and it one tap mahoraga or it more likely has to hit the person who has the ct in order to extermates it but sense Mahoraga is a shadow you would need to hit the one casting it to get rid of it all together it still not a one hundred percent win but Yuta has a way better chance than any character outside the top 2 and maybe kashimo cause of his Ct plus the sure hit he has.
shibuya and shinkju maho are two different ones 1st one can somewhat contend with a supressed 15f sukuna the other is blatantly keeping up with a weakened gojo vs sukuna realistically yuji stands no chance against shinjuku shibuya is the one head beat
Not trying to be a hater because I enjoy your content and agree with this video but bro you padded the length of the video for SO LONG by just repeating yourself over and over again in several parts of the video and going back after lengthy explanations to repeat the premise over and over like yes I get it, Yutw would use Jacob's Ladder to delete Mahoraga
Yuta would be mahoraga’s nightmare. Yuta has probably 100s of cursed techniques copied mahoraga wouldn’t be able to keep adapting to win he needs time to adapt to each technique.
I wouldn’t say nightmare, considering we don’t exactly know if maho can adapt to multiple things at once but I would say he can. It would basically accumulatin in Yuta running out of options assuming he doesn’t just one shot maho which is debatable
2:28 it's stated that no one is history has ever tamed mahoraga so that 10s user couldn't have used mahoraga against the 6 eyes user all those years ago. Also, just because someone has the 6 eyes and limitless doesn't mean that they used it the same way gojo does, they couldn't have applied it differently which is why red ab blue worked on mahoraga but that's irrelevant since no one ever tamed mahoraga
They don't need to tame mahoraga to summon them. Gojo and megumi were implying that towards the end of the fight the previous ten shadows user summoned mahoraga against the six eyes used as a murder-suicide move
Megumi is proof you don’t need to tame Mahoraga, he summons him in shibuya. Toji has full knowledge of blue and red, Gojo comments that being part of a famous clan makes his techniques well known. It’s likely to suppose that a High level Gojo clan member would use blue and red when battling the Zenin, and the Zenin would definitely use Mahoraga.
@xmere You're ignoring speedscaling. 15f sukuna blitzed ryu who is on par with yuta, while mahoraga was somewhat keeping up with gojo and 20f sukuna. Some people say that yuta was holding back, but that's not true at all. He wanted to beat them without killing and causing collateral damage as a quickly as possible, but ended up using his CT and BIQ to defeat ryu, which would't be the case if he was so much stronger and faster than ryu
@@raynerkefe4413 sukuna said everybody improved their ce manipulation level, but it isn’t clear by how much. Yuji and yuta were keeping up with heavily weakened sukuna after gojo fight + yuji lowering his output. Ryu who is relative to yuta got completely blitzed by 15f sukuna. While mahoraga is somewhat keeping up with gojo, which means that he is around 18-19 fingers(likely slightly slower than full power sukuna who is slightly slower than gojo). I really doubt that one month of training closed so much gap in speed difference.
The domain just allows the attacks to hit automatically, as well as give him a larger stash of techniques to use. Yuta would still have to be able to use a technique to its largest extent to begin with in order to use Jacob's Ladder in his domain. It isn't too far to say that Yuta/Rika could restrain Mahoraga long enough to pull off the technique either.
do you think if yuta jumped in when he wanted they wouldve won? because they claimed yuta wouldve gotten in the way but I think that was just a reason for the fight and story to go on. realistically I see yuta jumping in popping de with everyone in it and have gojo vs sukuna 1v1 while yuta and rika fight agito and mahoraga with the sure hit of angels technique. it would instantly force sukuna to pop hien era form and make him hold the hand sign for hollow wicker basket while FIGHTING GOJO, and mahoraga and agito would most likely be instantly decimated like you said if even lets go of the hand seal.
At that time mahoraga had the world Slash so If yuta tries to go in he either gets one shotted by mahoraga's world Slash or sukuna Just sends a big dismantle and kills him, yuta said It himself that If sukuna wasn't weakend by everything that happened he would be annihilated by that series of dismantles, plus sukuna didn't even chant those.
I think they would win because maharaga would either have to stop the limitless adaptation so he can adapt to yuta or fight yuta without adaptation and agito doesn’t seem very strong. That would make it sukuna vs gojo 1 vs 1 which gojo would win and yuta could just use his domain expansion when sukuna has no domain expansion. Also if yuta jump in then everyone else would as well which I think would be to much for sukuna.
@@jasperking442 Bro did you read a single thing that i wrote? Yuta is not stalling mahoraga because he gets one shotted by world Slash and mahoraga can literaly trow world cutting dismantles, and sukuna can one shot him in a Blink of an eye Just like It was stated by yuta himself, "If he wasn't weakend by everything that happened he would have annihilated us in an instant" and that shit was a normal dismantle Net without any chants with a much lower output than in Gojo fight. Plus Agito was almost keeping up with Gojo, sukuna and mahoraga, he was not that dar back, plus he can use electricity with doesn't affect Gojo because of mugen but it does affect yuta and he has RCT, and If he was in the fight Gojo wouldn't be able to trow the Blue that killed agito, or the unrestructed hollow purple, because Gojo's technichs affect everyone in the range and that includes yuta. And another point would be that maybe Gojo wouldn't even be able to land the Black flash on mahoraga and the other If he wasn't fighting ALL of them at once, because you have to be at your absolute limit, in a situation of extraordinary concentration and life treatning situation to land a Black flash, and If mahoraga wasn't there with the world Slash he wouldn't feel that way.
I'm pretty sure they could of won right there, Yuta would not be one shoted by Sukuna because he was already weakened at that point, Maho wouldn't one shot Yuta either because the world slash of Maho was made to be used against Gojo not Yuta, he should be able to one shot both Maho and Agito with Jacob's L, and if for some reason that didn't work he still has his domain, and if that didn't work either both Yuta and Rika physically scale to Heian era Sukuna, who's way stronger than Maho and Agito.
After reading the last chapter I had a thought: When talking about the Split Soul Katana it says "... Wielded by an individual capable of perceiving the soul, the wound imparted by them CANNOT ordinarily be healed by use of RCT..." I feel like this is foreshadow that Yuji will use the katana. I know he probably doesn't have the swordsmanship but they could create an opening. It doesn't seem like anybody really knows the secret behind the katana either though... Random SN: It would be interesting to see Maki to wield Nanami's machete now that it's a cursed tool if only for little while. The combination of the cursed tool and heavenly restriction sounds OP
Yutas output atleast top 3 in the verse because even after using a dominion and even finishing almost all his cursed energy during the stand off with ryu yuta was able to output almost as much as ryu the guy who holds the record for the highest out put ever recorded and let’s not forget it’s already been stated that ryus output remains the same even if his used his domain or is low on cursed energy but that isn’t the same for yuta and yet he was still able to almost match him meaning yuta at full power could probably be able to release and even higher output than ryu, also sukuna might have more cursed energy than yuta but it’s never actually been stated that he can release more since ryu still holds the record till this day
If yuta does his domain expansion before mahoraga adapts then he might win because if he can just spam all of his cursed techniques he copied then it will be harder too adapt in time for mahoraga. -edit I forgot too say that since we are using the sukuna mahoraga Jacob's latter might work
Yuta really just needs to use Jacob's Ladder on Mahoraga, he would most likely dissolve into a shadow puddle upon being hit (Jacob's Ladder nullifies all forms of jujutsu sorcery, it's basically the ISOH, but as a CT and on steroids, because it doesn't just nullify CTs, but jujutsu as a whole). However even if we were to take away Angel's Technique Nullification CT from Yuta, he'd still beat Maho, the sheer variety and versatility of his arsenal is literally an hard counter to Maho's adaptation, and he definetly has attacks capable of finishing the job, i'd like to remind ya'll that Yuta now has Sukuna's CT in his arsenal. Like, an hypothetical way in which Yuta could beat Maho that immediately comes to mind "other than just using Jacob's Ladder", is him opening his DE and imbuing it with Sukuna's CT as the sure hit, which means that like in Malevolent Shrine, Maho would be spammed with cleaves and dismantles, as he is being continuously slashed, Yuta shoots him with the Rika blast and finishes the job, and this is just one example, there are plenty of ways in which he could get the job done.
W video I like it a lot! I agree with how you view Yuta. Honestly though I’d have to give it to Mahoraga if you consider it never shows feats of adapting to physical force and it’s throwing hands with relevancy (though not alot) to 15F Sukuna in physical prowess. He’s dodging Angel’s CT forsure especially if you think kashimo’s light speed. If not then Yuta takes it.
Okay, the fact that this is even a debate is embarrassing , first of all lets make it very clear mahoraga has been potraited to be the strongest shikigami in jjk He was able to adapt to malevolent shrine and was able to adapt to limitless, I love yuta but I struggle to see how he wins , sukunas domain has no barrier which makes him remove his weakness that it can be broken , yutas domain has a barrier , do you think yutas domain can contain mahoraga ?? , he breaks that domain instantly , and his cleave as a sure hit can't be as powerful as sukunas at all given he could only scratch sukunas face with it Lets talk about jacobs ladder , jacobs ladder is shown to eraducate cursed object in a sorcerer , is mahoraga a cursed.object .... no , but lets assume he is , its not a single hit kill attack..as it couldn't kill sukuna..which means mahoraga adapts to it I think.people are stupid and this shouldn't be a debate, 15finger sukuna would have lost to sukuna if he didn't have his fire arrow and gojo would have lost without hollow purple ....embarrassing debate
Maho was keeping up with goatjo. Yuta was told to not interfere until he could take on goatjo so i think statwise Yuta gets outscaled and it just dodges all of his attacks. He said "relieve some pressure", he never once said he can defeat both of them outright. Yes Jacobs could work or it could miss due to the shikigamis stats as I stated. It could also depend on strength, since the technique CAN work and obliterate incarnated players but it doesnt do that with sukuna. so it could be effective but not a win. also if Maho goes for Rika its a gg for yuta probably. I'd also like to mention that it was never stated a shadows user fought limitless. theres also no proof that its not resistant to cleave anymore. Even if its the shibuya version, Yuta probably still has his hands tied.
except he never did, gojo was literally gonna destroy mahoraga with a simple red resulting in a no diff. Mahoraga only manages to keep up thanks to sukuna support.
Rika is strong enough to stall Mahoraga (maybe even kill him with the True Love Beam), while Yuta can keep switching up his Curse Techniques. The two biggest counters to Maho, that is having the Strength to stand toe to toe, and having enough options to keep outpacing his adaptation. Them being a duo is even worse, as Rika will stop Maho from getting to Yuta, while Yuta is the one dealing the real damage. Maho's only shot here is outpacing Rika and getting ahold of Yuta early on before they figure out how to kill him
Question - Isn't Yuta technically capable of beating Gojo via Technique Nullification and then using it in conjunction with a technique like Thin-Ice Missile or Domain Expansion? (I'm not talking about Yuta in Gojo's body)
i think mahoraga still wins yuta needs to beat him in 5 minutes at most after that he loses rika and the fight gets much worse assuming rika doesn't die immediately she gets cut by mahoraga's sword yuta's attacks arent strong enough to one shot mahoraga my opinion i will guess he will switch techniques constantly to not allow him adapt fully but i think especially since its sukuna's mahoraga he is just too strong and will eventually adapt to everything
For Mahoraga, I think that Mahoraga probably just goes back to square one any time he fights a new opponent. It may not be that he doesn’t keep the knowledge from past fights, but rather that he treats every new one as an entirely different ordeal. Basically, he doesn’t assume what he can and can’t use against his opponent and just adapts regardless. So in short, it’s not because he doesn’t remember, but rather because he adapts to every opponent individually out of choice. He’d rather let his body get shredded and adapt to the attacks so he can specifically develop counteractive techniques against any sorcerer. Also, I think you’re wrong that he didn’t immediately adapt to infinity because one of the first things he does I believe is touch Gojo and bypassing his infinity. The problem was getting his long range attacks with his blade to bypass it. Gojo is far more formidable then the past six eyes used likely as well.
I feel like yuta lowkey low diffs maho, mahoraga's entire deadliness comes from their durability, and adaptation. but considering yuta literally has like 6+ stored cursed techniques, and has the output equivalent to heavy hitters in the series, I think it makes him essentially a hard-counter to maho
I feel like either Mahoraga's Adaptation resets each fight, or they build up only for the user. It doesn't really make sense to say that Mahoraga would keep other user's adaptations from hundreds of years ago
Is it sure that only one 10S user can exist at a time? Its never been stated as such, and even Kamo implied others could've inherited it when he mused to himself about it with maki and mai in the culling games. So, if that would be the case, the 10S shikigami wouldn't be shared, and each 10S user would have their own set. Which would make sense, because if the shikigami were shared, then any destroyed shikigami would mean any future 10S users wouldn't be able to use "dead" shikigami from past users.
I think Jacob's Ladder is something Yuts can use outside of True and Mutual Love. Also I think he either high-diffs or loses to mahoraga outside of his Domain. True Love Beam and Thin-Ice Breaker together could do it, but he might have to sacrifice the copy of Rika he has to do that.
I think the video while overall right has two big shortcoming. The first is the excessive focus on the CT, Mahoraga can be dealt also without those, so while the malevolent-shrine-like attacks would rain on mahoraga. Yuta can simply destroy Mahoraga with a truly powerful not CT attack similar to his "simple" CE blast (I think someone call it love blast but it's really a huge shot of CE) or with Hand to hand combat while Mahoraga is still focused on resisting the rest of the attacks... this can be done in or out the Domain Expansion, just is far easier in the DE. The other issue is in the reading of Sukuna VS Mahoraga went. Sukuna explained it quite well, to defeat mahoraga you needs to keep it busy adapting to something while you crush it with another attack he had not enough adaptation to (possibly zero adaptation), or one shot him with the first attack to start with. Sukuna had to use his Shrine because he figured out Mahoraga too later in the fight to achieve this without the Shrine. If Sukuna had this info from the start, he have could have rained down Slashes on Mahoraga and just use the Fire Arrow later and job done. Or the opposite, use the fire arrow as open move and while Mahoraga recovered/adapts to it finish it with a good Cleave... This assuming Sukuna could have not killed Mahoraga with the first attack to start with, Dismante was for sure not enough but maybe if Sukuna opened with Cleave the situation could have been different Yuuta (or Gojo) hugely benefits from knowing how Mahoraga works in this. So comparing the two is a bit unfair to Sukuna. Any opponent not knowing Mahoraga and without access to multiple CT is screwed to start with unless it's somehow so hugelly powerful to one shot Mahoraga. Under normal circumstances a Red from Gojo could have done the job if Mahoraga already had not started to develop resistance aganist it beforehand. Sukuna played a good game waiting to expose the General to danger only after he built up some defenses aganist most of Gojo's attacks
@@pbsuite He broke a Domain he was already adapted to. Sukuna spent the whole Yorozu's fight as test drive for letting mahoraga to pre-adapt to something before summoning him.... and then he explicity did with Gojo
Gojo assumed a red would have been enough which isn't really telling much about Mahoraga's Durability since he is a pretty unknown being but still a full power reversal red is so much stronger than anything Yuta can pull off. Yuta has no attack that can deal enough damage to Mahoraga, destroying a few blocks is a thing 15F Sukuna's slashes against Mahoraga did and is the best destruction feat of Yuta. To kill Mahoraga you have to use several high damaging attacks but Yuta has no option that will provide that damage. Mahoraga also is leagues stronger than Rika physically as he threw trains and whole buildings like toys. They got nothing on Mahoraga and everyone who thinks yuta would win have to accept it.
I was thinking Angel´s technique could work, but do we know if Lil Makora´s adaptation counts as a technique? is it evil? I´m guessing since at this point he´s not a part of Megumi´s technique but the generic summoned version then he probably doesn´t count as a cursed technique in use. Rihgt?
I think that jacobs ladder would only delete mahoraga, if it was used on the 10 shadows user, since otherwise, why not just have gojo touch mahoraga with domain amplification (he could have learnt it since we saw characters like higaruma do it), negating the technique, thus instantly desummoning mahoraga
I do wanna bring up a few things, but overall I kinda agree, kinda don’t. It’s hard to say I guess. Maho isn’t the 10S technique, he’s a shikigami summoned by it. Jacob’s ladder would work only if he hit Sukuna with it, since he’s the one using the technique. It works similarly to other shikigami/summoning techniques since we know that Megumi’s shikigami are summoned thru mediums like druv’s is with hair. Another person who summons thru mediums are the granny and her grandson in Shibuya, and we know that Toji was able to completely alter his body to have no CE, and an infinite time limit, and a will of his own. It’s possible that Toji is an exception, but nothing says as much, still, I’m willing to concede that it wouldn’t work like that. Just thought I would bring it up. Either way, we don’t know what Jacob’s ladder would do to Maho, since again, he isn’t the technique. It’s possible that it shuts off his adaptation, but we don’t know if that’s a technique or biological. Same with things like max elephant’s water, the bull’s momentum build up, and nue’s lightning. I’m not sure there’s ever a statement that says it’s their techniques, and if it’s biological, then Jacob’s ladder may just be useless. Also, we have no info on the Edo 10S and six eyes/limitless user. We know that the contenders for the top of that era were Kashimo and Ryu, not them. It’s possible that the 10S user was insanely powerful, and didn’t use Maho. Or that the six eyes/limitless user was still a preawakened level of Gojo. Or how adaptations work or carry over. I think it’s best to assume that they don’t carry over since it’s never said, but it’s possible that it does, but not across users, or from ritual to summon (Maho adapted during a taming ritual, but Sukuna used him as a summon.), or if they ever not transfer over. That’s all there is to that, we just don’t know, so it’s safe to assume the answer is no.
Yuta is probably the perfect sorcerer to beat Mahoraga, Mahoraga's weakness is a sorcerer with multiple ways to kill it, and Yuta is the best example of that
Thats the neat part about this fight, Mahoraga normally insta win because once it adapts to your technique you're done, but Yuta has at least 6 to spare. Yuta could very reliably soften Maho with multiple techniques, chipping away at his life bar until he ended with DE angel's curse sure hit. Yuta is almost the anti-mahoraga in that sense. Yuta low diffs imo.
Only way mahoraga wins is if mahoraga adaptation to yuta’s ct adapts to any CT using yutas CE instead of having to adapt to each individual CT. Otherwise yuta should be able to body mahoraga as long as he gets straight to business and uses Domain Expansion quickly into the fight. Just based off of the CT’s we’ve seen yuta should be able to overwhelm mahoraga rather easily. Thin ice breaker into Jacob’s Ladder into Cleave+Dismantle should be pretty fatal. This is still assuming that Yuta doesn’t have access to other CTs we’ve seen from allies or people he’s fought. He’s had 2 chances to get blood manipulation, could have 10s, Star rage, Kurorushis CT, Curse Manipulation (and uzumaki by extension), Mythical Beast Amber, Inos technique, Ratio, and that’s just based off of the people we know he’s come into contact with. Think about the people that it’s likely he’s come into contact with and their CTs, Boogie Woogie, construction (Mai/yorozu CT), Puppet manipulation, Projection Sorcery, Ice Manipulation, Straw Doll, Kenjakus gravity, hazenokis explosions, etc. because his CT is so busted and his physical have been shown to at least be relative to the top tier in the verse and he has top 2 CE reserves in the verse Yuta is kinda unbeatable outside of Gojo and Sukuna (I think kashimo has a solid chance as well)
The glazing is insant, yuta is.not.thay guy , yuta doesn't one shot mahoraga Okay, the fact that this is even a debate is embarrassing , first of all lets make it very clear mahoraga has been potraited to be the strongest shikigami in jjk He was able to adapt to malevolent shrine and was able to adapt to limitless, I love yuta but I struggle to see how he wins , sukunas domain has no barrier which makes him remove his weakness that it can be broken , yutas domain has a barrier , do you think yutas domain can contain mahoraga ?? , he breaks that domain instantly , and his cleave as a sure hit can't be as powerful as sukunas at all given he could only scratch sukunas face with it Lets talk about jacobs ladder , jacobs ladder is shown to eraducate cursed object in a sorcerer , is mahoraga a cursed.object .... no , but lets assume he is , its not a single hit kill attack..as it couldn't kill sukuna..which means mahoraga adapts to it I think.people are stupid and this shouldn't be a debate, 15finger sukuna would have lost to sukuna if he didn't have his fire arrow and gojo would have lost without hollow purple ....embarrassing debate
Now that i'm seeing more yuta versus battles You just realize how broken yuta domain is If he could copy gojo's techniques imagine a hollow Purple as a sure hit technique
Even without DE, I'm not convinced Mahoraga wins. The video claims Yuta would run out of curse energy when every piece of evidence says other. Yuta is constantly referred to as having ludicrous amounts of it. He only began to run low due to fighting some of the strongest sorcerers in history at the SAME TIME, even bring ganged up on. One of those sorcerers having the highest CE in the verse, higher even than Sukuna, and Yuta tanking several of those blasts. Mahoraga does NOT have either the blast output of CE comparable to Ryu, nor the physical stats to compare to a Ryu blast to inflict the amount of damage that forced Yuta to use up the amount of CE he was forced to when doing RCT to recover from Ryu blasts (or Thin Icebreaker for that matter) Pretty unfair to claim he'd "run out", especially when all that is even before he puts on the ring for refills
When mahoraga is in the process of adapting to a technique (meaning the wheel started spinning) can he start adapting to another technique? Or is the eight handled wheel "busy" with the previous adaptation?
With Gojo and sukuna mahoraga was adapting to the technich itself like Gojo' limitless, and sukuna the concept of cut itself, so with yuta i think It would adapt to copy cursed technichs Itself, so anything he had copied, Just like yorozu, she could create a lot of things but It all had the same origin so when he was summoned he had already adapted to everything including her Domain Expansion, which would not be possible If he adapted to one thing at a time.
@@Endmaten1 How so? He doesn't copy the exact technich he makes It his and it is limited by his cursed energy and output, plus he hasn't made any binding vow to change specifications or anything. His technich is different from the original technich, take Sukuna's cleave for example even the narrator said "a false cleave". So that does indicate that every ability he copies has a origin, which would be copy Itself, nobody knows how mahoraga's adaptation would work in this case so stop saying shit like you are the author. Until it is a stated fact that every technich he copies is a cursed technich Itself and does not have anything to do with copy, or it's stated How mahoraga's adaptation would work in this case when making a hipotetical battle you need to do every case and say what would happen in every case, otherwise you are not considering the possibilities, Just like the Guy in the video obviosly doing everything in his Power to make yuta stronger than mahoraga when he's clearly not.
@@JPBerty01 You're spouting nonsense. Show where was it stated that he doesn't copy the exact technique but makes it his. And not sure what you're saying by "it's limited by his CE and CEO" when every technique is limited by its user's CE and CEO. If Yuta's copies a technique that's different from the original he would be stuck at the point of where the technique was copied, but instead he showed the ability to use the word "Die" which is a very strong word that Toge never thought of saying. What do you mean by "A false Cleave" when did the narrator ever said a Cleave is a false Cleave? If you're talking about chapter 251, the narrator straight up said it's a mock cleave, meaning he's mocking Sukuna. Sukuna straight up explained Mahoraga's adaptation, neither of which talked options would work on Copy. Yuta literally stores them, if you store any CT copied in your brain then that means the technique becomes engraved into his body. Yuta scales higher than Mahoraga and that's a fact.
This is why i dont take youtubers seriously , the only way to take out mahoraga is to one shot him Angels curse technique is not an instant kill or his love beam couldnt kill geto instantly Yuta aint winning this fight
@@pbsuitetu ignorancia ya rompe en la locura. Todo ataque cargado puede destruir a Mahoraga. El rayo de Yuta, Uzumaki, carajo incluso un rojo-azul. Se dice la escalera de Jacob porque cancela tecnicas malditas no porque asesine, a Sukuna le hace daño por la técnica de los dedos (reencarnación). Como tal, la forma más fácil para Yuta es encerrarlo en el dominio y matarlo con 1 de los 6 o + golpes seguros que tiene. Mahoraga no puede resistir los ataques así cuando es de manera continua. Así que si o si Yuta ganaría. Saludos hermano.
@@pbsuitelove beam can indeed one shot mahoraga at the time of geto he was using uzumaki with almost 4500 curses and he can also reinforced his body with cursed energy.Love beam was slightly weaker than ryu's granite blast which has the highest output of ce in history
@@LEGEND-fd1ibremember, that love beam required a binding vow , yuta promised his life to rika , and that's why he was able to achieve such power , but he can't just do a binding vow now
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Yuta is outstated here quite a bit. The "Divergent Sila" managed to endure and keep up with 15F Sukuna. From Sukunas own words he has, inside Yutas domain and after fighting Gojo, just as much cursed energy than Yuta. The same Yuta that said Sukuna has more than double of his amount of cursed energy. That puts his cursed ernergy around 8-9 fingers. Same as Jogo. The "Divine General" has endured "Dismantle"s that should be above the ones Yuta has endured and said they would kill him before his rct would kick in. Now with "Jackobs Ladder" Yuta would dispell the summoning. "Mahoraga" would not be dead, as "Nue:Totality" was still around later, but on his own he has no way of returning to the battlefield. He would be out of bounds. While i think he cant win a fight i am confident that he could get a ring out 10/10 times. At least on their first fight that is.
wait.. did the old six eyes user who lost to big raga actually have limitless? cuz never seen that stated, just that he has the six eyes. raga may have never seen red or blue before
To argue yuta using shrine imo they should be similar strengh since yuta dismantle did abt the same amount of damage as sukunas did on gojo with imo sukuna and gojo having similar physcial stats
I think this would go well with you to debate over Kenjukus technique, it depends on whether it just needs to be activated in which that would just be the summoning or if it’s continuous use
I mean given that Rika is seemingly a Shikigami not a Spirit, post timeskip Yuta should win pretty easily especially with Angels CT. Pre-timeskip however is a different story as I cannot see a way that he can win. A more interesting fight in my opinion is Kenjaku Vs Mahoraga. I think Kenjaku will lose but am interested to see your take Mere.
Rika is a curse spirit, the soul of rika isnt there but its a curse Shikigamis cant think or talk for themselves , curses have shown to have intelligence unloke shikigamis Rika is a curse , mahoraga kills her with his blade
Super Love Beam and Maximum Uzumaki clear Makora, personally. Yuuki's black hole or basic infinite mass slams too. Makora is being overrated because the only things that have "killed" it so far are Shrine/Fuuga/Hollow Purple. But that doesn't mean those are the only things that CAN kill it. The real implication of Makora dying to Shrine is that a large number of lesser attacks will still kill Makora, so long as there are enough of them and the stream of attacks is continuous enough. Makora's base durability is objectively lower than Ryuu's after all. Considering Yuta knows how Makora works, there's a very strong argument that Shikigami + CE beams would kill Makora if he were serious about it (prior to it adapting too far).
Where did you get that base mahoraga is Ryu level of durability? Do you get that mahoraga tanked without any serious damage a Black flash from Gojo right in the chest? Yuta said he trew up by Gojo normal punch and Gojo never tried to kill yuta, and a Black flash is your normal punch to the Power 2.5( an example of this is: lets say a punch is 5000 Newtons of force, the same punch as a Black flash would be 1767766952.97 Newtons of force) yuta would literaly be reduced to atoms by a punch like that. He's love Beam Lost to Ryu granite blast which yuta took with no major damage so no It would not even come close to kill mahoraga the only thing that can possibly kill mahoraga is Jacobs latter and the technich description is: forces the deactivation of the targets cursed technich, so going by that It would deactivate mahoraga's adaptation, only if It hit the ten shadows user It would deactivate ten shadows itself because that would be the targets technich. By what the Guy in the video said angel would be able to put a Beam If light in front of her and any technich that comes is deactivated like hollow purple, or world Slash, even Domain Expansion, so it doesn't make any sense she would literaly be untoucheble.
I mean, the executioner sword is portrayed as a one shot to cursed spirits bc its imbued with reverse technique, so if mahoraga gets a hit in rika, she dead, and yuta alone probably would lose
Yuta AP scales to Sukuna doing some damage to his face with thin ice breaker, Gojo does similar dmg with red. Gojo believes he can 1 shot mahoraga with red. Mahoraga
Gojo's Red dealt considerably more damage to Sukuna than Yuta did, also Yuta scales nowhere close to Sukuna's durability in the first place. Mahoraga is also shown to be able to adapt to several phenomena at once, and worst case is that Mahoraga adapts to Copy as a whole which isn't impossible. Mahoraga also wouldn't suffer damage from Jacob's Ladder since his Title is literally "Divine General" and he is treated as such. None of the attacks Yuta has can do enough damage before Mahoraga immediately regenerates from it. It's a pretty lost cause as Yuta lacks proper firepower against a being who can regenerate completely within a fraction of a second. Even with Domain, Yuta cannot deal enough damage to kill Mahoraga before he adapts to the domain itself and breaks it, or just dominate Yuta in h2h combat until he has taken more damage than he can sustain to keep his domain active.
@@ineedalife6 yes, yuta’s attack does less damage than red, but the fact it does damage at all to Sukuna is an insane feat considering gojo’s red can one shot mahoraga. If gojo’s red is WAYYY above mahoraga’s durability, then yuta having even low end scaling to red implies it would do serious damage to Mahoraga even if it doesn’t one shot him. In addition, jacob’s ladder doesnt only kill things that are evil, it also disables a cursed technique. Mahoraga is by definition an application of a cursed technique and would likely instantly be disabled and disappear. Also saying mahoraga would not be hurt by jacob’s ladder because the word “divine” is in his name is a name fallacy, it doesnt necessitate anything about if he is percieved as “evil.” Even without jacob’s ladder, with a sure hit effect Yuta’s pile on constant attacks that each do SIGNIFICANT damage to mahoraga. Yuta can spam dozens of attacks onto mahoraga way before Mahoraga can hope to adapt. Mahoraga doesn’t stand a chance
@@halointernet4906 The red statement is made by gojo but he didn't one shot Mahoraga at all after firing a few reds which mahoraga tanked. Compare the damage from one red to whatever Yuta pulled off, it's not even close considering sukuna being much weaker than he was against gojo. Mahoraga also had to adapt to lies in shibuya which implies that he is pure at start which would exclude him from the first effect of JL as he is a pure/neutral being. Also a untamed mahoraga isn't bound by any CT but a seperate being tht only appeared by the ritual, so he is excluded from the second effect. See it as a gate, Mahoraga passes through, JL only destroys the gate but Mahoraga is already inside. Yuta additionally hasn't stocked on any attacks that deal enough damage and that are complex enough to force more than two spins for a proper adaptation, he only has like 3 moves of that level which all cannot one-shot Mahoraga and the next time he uses them again, Mahoraga has developed high resistance already as he immediately starts the analysis and adaptation once he is hit.
@@ineedalife6 At the point at which Sukuna gets hit by yuta he is hardly weakened in terms of durability. The only nerf he has recieved at this point is one soul punch from Yuji. We know that Yuji's soul punches aren't a one shot level nerf, as we see that Sukuna's ability to fight Yuta in his domain is mostly uninhibited, with Yuta only noticing a change after 9 punches from Yuji. Its clear that Sukuna at the start of the fight should blatantly scale to Yuta's AP. You don't have to think that red and thin ice breaker are doing the same damage to recognize that they are very obviously in the same dimension of AP, that being a 1 shot level above mahoraga. It also doesn't matter if Yuta can't one shot him, because like with every other sure hit domain he can stack on several of the same attack all at once, which would elevate him to one shot levels. Also mahoraga being a separate entity not bound by the technique is literally never stated and its directly contradicted. If that were the case, then Sukuna wouldn't be able to summon a new mahoraga after killing the old one. It also wouldn't explain how mahoraga in the past killed a six eyes user and 10 shadows user but evidently isn't still just roaming the world. Shikigami aren't individual entities, they are part of the 10 shadows cursed technique and need it as a medium to keep existing. Mahoraga would 100% just be desummoned by JL.
Rika would get wiped by Mahoraga completely. The reason I say that is because rika is a cursed spirit, Mahoraga’s blade is specialized in cursed spirits. Sukuna said it himself “If I was a cursed spirit I would’ve been eliminated in the first blow” Mahoraga’s blade would cut through her like butter.
@@JustAnOrcaYTBro you don't read this manga first of all the Rika now is a Shikigami not a cursed spirit. Secondly Mahoraga is not blitzing Rika at all she has higher stats then Yuta LOL
More like dumb take Okay, the fact that this is even a debate is embarrassing , first of all lets make it very clear mahoraga has been potraited to be the strongest shikigami in jjk He was able to adapt to malevolent shrine and was able to adapt to limitless, I love yuta but I struggle to see how he wins , sukunas domain has no barrier which makes him remove his weakness that it can be broken , yutas domain has a barrier , do you think yutas domain can contain mahoraga ?? , he breaks that domain instantly , and his cleave as a sure hit can't be as powerful as sukunas at all given he could only scratch sukunas face with it Lets talk about jacobs ladder , jacobs ladder is shown to eraducate cursed object in a sorcerer , is mahoraga a cursed.object .... no , but lets assume he is , its not a single hit kill attack..as it couldn't kill sukuna..which means mahoraga adapts to it I think.people are stupid and this shouldn't be a debate, 15finger sukuna would have lost to sukuna if he didn't have his fire arrow and gojo would have lost without hollow purple ....embarrassing debate
Yuta has the output to kill Mahoraga. Cursed Speech can pause him once, he has Love Beam (which is almost strong enough to stalemate Ishigori's charged up Granite Blast, which has the highest CE Output of any Culling Games Sorcerers). Rika is also strong enough to stall him because she could throw hands with Heian Era Sukuna without being fully manifested. Worst case scenario: Jacob's Ladder disables Cursed Techniques. Mahoraga is a Cursed Technique as he is the Tenth Shadow
granite blast could't oneshot yuta, rika and ryu himself. Mahoraga tanked dismantle before adaptation, and sukuna's version tanked gojo's black flash. I doubt love beam which is weaker than granite blast can seriously injure mahoraga. Besides, vo.0 love beam is much stronger than current love beam^6 because yuta used a binding vow to remove the output restriction.
@@f135-m2s That's because Yuta and Rika are one of the most durable characters in the series, and it's made up of Ryu's CE so it makes sense why he would tank it and even without that fact he would still be able to tank it. Mahoraga didn't tank dismantle before adaptation not sure from where you pulled this off, but Sukuna's dismantles were going through him. Mahoraga never tanked Gojo's black flashes he guarded against them and was still heavily injured, Mahoraga was at risk of getting 1 shot by a normal output red from Gojo. In conclusion outside of a domain Granite blast has the potential to delete half of Mahoraga and inside the domain potentially even destroy him.
A CE blast from Yuta inside the domain while Rika is manifested would be bad for him, additionally Yuta has many more wincons inside the domain as well aside from his CEO.
okay brother, love beam that even when buffed by a death involving binding vow was not able to instantly kill geto but it will kill mahoraga, makes sense, not to say you're comparing heian era sukuna that was (implied by sukuna himself) with cursed energy reserver around the level of yuta's, and with obviously yuta himself and itadori there, not to say that the point of mahoraga being the cursed technique is simply a assumption, seen the technique itself is the ability to control shadows and summon ten shikigamis from the shadows, cursed techniques have to be made out of cursed energy, and that's not the case with shikigamis, seen that agito and round deer are able to use reversed cursed technique to heal themselves and others, which would be impossible for anything made out of cursed energy
@@jcplays1749 the biggest misconception with Ryu is that people think he has the highest output in history meaning highest offence but what he has highest is raw CE output not overall output, Hollow purple probably has higher output than Granite blast but Gojo cannot directly fire a CE beam on Ryu's level, so a granite blast level of attack shouldn't be able to kill Mahoraga
@@Endmaten1 reread chapters 233,235. Mahoraga clearly tanked gojo's serious punches and used his sword to block two black flashes. Yes several dismantles went through him, but it was megumi's mahoraga and it only gives him more credit, since he survived it(gojo died after one slash went through him). Also, in one of the frames, Ryu casually tanked love beam with little damage. Deleting half of mahoraga is bs, if granite blast only knocked out heavily beaten up ryu, i don't see how it goes through maho, even 120% (love beam is weaker than granite blast)
Theoretically Yuta wouldn't even need his domain, he just needs to fully manifest Rika and use a maximum output Jacob's ladder
Yuta when mahoraga adapt to "beam": 💀
@@alyax- like to see that happen when mahoraga get burned into ashes literally by pure love
would mahoraga adapt to jacob's ladder? Can you adapt to something that stops your adaptaion?
immovable object vs unstoppable force
@@11av18shiji surely pure love is enough to wipe mahoraga off before he can adapt
@@Replytomeifgay No it isnt, pure love tied with a granite blast from exhausted Ryu lmao
Mahoraga loses badly to opponents who have options to multiple different techniques, especially ones that all work completely different from one another
Okay, the fact that this is even a debate is embarrassing , first of all lets make it very clear
mahoraga has been potraited to be the strongest shikigami in jjk
He was able to adapt to malevolent shrine and was able to adapt to limitless, I love yuta but I struggle to see how he wins , sukunas domain has no barrier which makes him remove his weakness that it can be broken , yutas domain has a barrier , do you think yutas domain can contain mahoraga ?? , he breaks that domain instantly , and his cleave as a sure hit can't be as powerful as sukunas at all given he could only scratch sukunas face with it
Lets talk about jacobs ladder , jacobs ladder is shown to eraducate cursed object in a sorcerer , is mahoraga a cursed.object .... no , but lets assume he is , its not a single hit kill attack..as it couldn't kill sukuna..which means mahoraga adapts to it
I think.people are stupid and this shouldn't be a debate, 15finger sukuna would have lost to sukuna if he didn't have his fire arrow and gojo would have lost without hollow purple ....embarrassing debate
None of yutas arsenal can kill mahoraga in a single hit
Mahoraga has the strength to break a domain but only if hes given the chance to, or he has been given time to fully adapt to it, and with the way yutas cursed technique and domain expansion REVOLVES around using multiple techniques that all vary in uniqueness, mahoraga would get taken apart badly, his adaptation only works on opponents who have a limited amount of options, thats why he lost to gojo despite adapting to infinity and red, he wasn’t given time to adapt to purple. Mahoragas strong, but like i said, being strong doesn’t save you from getting knocked around by multiple different techniques
@@pbsuite this is why the ten shadows exists, and why hes the ultimate reward, they have varying different uses that if used right can defeat mahoraga, yuta also has that benefit along with a broken ass domain expansion
@@justaguywithagoodphoto4801 problem is that yuta doesn't have enough power to stop mahoraga before adaptations begin.
His strongest move couldn't even kill geto who is far below Mahoraga in durability.
@@ineedalife6 that depends on whos using mahoraga at that point, i think the love beam is more then strong enough to kill mahoraga, and thats due to the fact that is an experienced yuta now and not simply a yuta who was just barely figuring out how to use cursed energy. Which greatly changes how the fight goes, hes got options, rika, and he also has knowledge to properly weaponize everything
Yuta is so lucky, his classmates are Maki and Panda (no CT), his senpai is Hakari (without a specific CT), his teacher is Gojo (CT, which you cannot use correctly without six eyes), his second teacher is Miguel (possibly without CT), his kohai is Yuji (no CT), Nobara (unfortunately died before meeting him) and Megumi (probably can't copy 10 shadows). How can it be so unlucky that all the useful CT you copied were from your enemies you fought 1 month ago😭
He would be able to copy ten shadows but he’d have to spend time to master it enough to use it without rika in the same way he did cursed speech
He could definetly copy the Ten Shadows, nothing implies that he wouldn't be able to. He did copy Sukuna's CT after all.
Nah the dancing tecnique from Miguel was wasted😭
Todo's Boogie Woogie... 😭@@ichiro9553
Died, you say?
First of all, yuta was STARTING to run low on cursed energy in that fight, and he had previously fought several other sorcerers including two special grades. THEN tanked thin ice breaker and granite blast which are both very powerful to heal from, yuta had been active for awhile before STARTING to run low. Secondly, Yuta can use his CT’s outside of the domain but he can only use them once while rika is active, but one jacobs ladder would kill mahoraga. even if that DIDNT kill mahoraga, yuta’s love beam is stated to only barely be weaker than granite blast which is the highest output blast from the person with the highest CE output in the series, one granite blast destroyed several blocks of the city when he used it against yuta and uro at the start, and love beam is only BARELY weaker than it, so yes his output is enough to kill mahoraga. Plus mahoraga’s adaption would be divided and couldn’t focus on everything as effective at once, so multiple CT’s would slow adaption down. Overall, Yuta slams. PLUS let’s not forget cursed speech has been shown to be able to say “return” to shikigami and they instantly disappear soooo..yuta wins
He cant only use them once while rika is active. He uses sky manipulation multiple times
jacob ladder oneshot mahoraga, mahoraga its a curse technique, and jacob ladder cancel any CT, ppl cry to much with the "1v3" that they just dont remember mahoraga is not a sorcerer, its a curse technique 😭
@@mariano8085Mahoraga is NOT a CT. Mahoraga is a shikigami that is summoned through a CT.
That’s like saying Getos curses are CT’s. No, they are curses controlled through a CT. Mahoraga is a Shikigami controlled through a CT. It would not cancel him.
Mahoraga isn't weak enough tobe beaten by yuta with that shit base won't be enough and there's a huge chance that jacobs ladder might not work comment above mine explains it well
Mahoragas healing and tanking abilities are more than enough to deal with base yuta stop thinking like yuta is up against a glass cannon that's pure bs
@@usurperzo Mahoraga is a shikigami that's summoned through the 10S technique that uses the shadows as a medium. You nullify the CT would mean you nullify the connection of the user and the medium resulting in the shikigami's deactivation.
Let's not go into headcanon now, Hana is stated to nullify any CT, there's no exception.
With cleave/dismantle and now angels technique I don’t see how Mahoraga wins now. Buddy has to adapt to 6 different curse techniques in order to win. Lets not forget about Rika to whose physically stronger than Yuta himself
we don't know how mahoraga's adaptabilty would face against yuta's copy technique, seen that he mahoraga can adapt to any and all phenomena, meaning that there's a chance he adapts to the whole concept of copied techniques, meaning no matter what yuta uses, if it's from his copied arsenal, mahoraga could easily adapt to it, this is obviously a theory, but anyways, rika gets one shotted by mahoraga seen that he can use positive energy and it would destroy her easily, and that yuta does not have anything with the destructive capability to destroy mahoraga asside from the jaccob latter, which would not even work against mahoraga probably, seen that mahoraga isn't a cursed technique (this is literally a misinformation invented by mere) mahoraga is shikigami, that is not made out of cursed energy, he is summoned via cursed energy and a cursed technique (him not being made out of cursed energy is proven by agito and round deer, both can use reversed cursed energy to heal themselves and others, which is impossible for being made out of cursed energy to do, already proves he's not a cursed technique himself) and don't even bring the "but his adaptabilty would be deactivated" because his adaptability is never refered as being a cursed technique, no shikigami posses cursed techniques, they simply can do things with cursed energy that other beings can't
unmanifested rika is comparable to current sukuna, rika easily takes strength from maho
@@ggabraf rika is made out of cursed energy and would get one shotted, 15 finger sukuna himself stated that if he was a curse at the moment he fought mahoraga, the first blow would have killed him because it is imbued in positive cursed energy, not to say that rika is 3v1ing a sukuna with about 50% of his cursed energy reserve (he said he had roughtly the same amount as yuta when he entered the battle, and yuta stated that sukuna have around 2x more cursed energy than him) and with that said, sukuna didn't land alot of hits in rika because she was being only partially summoned alot of the times, for god's sake bro, rika got destroyed by one of ryu's punches, the same ryu that got one shotted by 15 finger sukuna, the same sukuna that said himself he would have died from mahoraga's first blow if he was a curse, mahoraga cleans the floor with rika
yeah but the only way to beat it is to completely destroy it. im pretty sure yuta only has one attack capable of that.
@@MG-zx3px jacobs ladder, cleave & dismantle and rika love beam + maybe cursed speech depending on how it interacts with shikigami
Yuta pulling out technique number 3762 after mahoraga adapts to technjque number 3761
Copy is basically a perfect counter for Mahoraga's Adaptation
My GOAT Mere great vid as always!!!! Would love to see a video ranking currently the strongest characters in the manga/ Who deserves the special grade title?
Nope is not same the power of shukuna
Mahoraga being able to produce positive energy makes it hard to believe he is a simple mass of cursed energy that would be destroyed by Jacob’s ladder
Sword not him *
@@raynerkefe4413he can output positive energy, used against sukuna after spinning the wheel.
@@somerandomdude1605 he changed the output of **the sword** making it just use normal CE, there is no proof that mahoraga by itself can use RCT
Reminder that jacob's ladder has yet to be fully completed as both times it was used megumi caused both users of it to end it early. Just because you can output rct(through his sword) doesn't mean you can resist jacob's ladder,it's an extension of angel's technique which is ct ereasure it's way beyond RCT.
@@WaituSnaiku no, he switched from throwing Positive Energy punches to Cursed Energy punches in the Manga after one adaptation.
Heres another scenario. Would yuta beat 15 finger sukuna?
"The answer is yes, and badly yes." So if a 15 finger sukuna can beat and be somewhat even with mahoraga then why would yuta vs mahoraga even be a debate 💀
What's the scaling for Yuta over 15F Sukuna tho.
Megumi compares already 3F Sukuna with Toji in terms of speed, not to mention post awakening Maki which is basically Toji fought in a 2v1 with Yuji's help against massively nerfed CE output Sukuna (basically 1.5F Sukuna in Megumi's body) and the latter was handling both even then.
Yuta also struggled against Ryu while 15F no diffed Ryu
@@Salalazai Yuta was fighting a 3v1 and was much weaker than he is now with no different techniques or anything and had used a lot of CE in killing the cockroach with RCT. Yuta also clashed with Ryu even when he didn't need to to satisfy his desire.
My Boy Wuta got this!!
I think people are stupid, the only way to kill mahoraga is to one shot him , he has many techniques but none that can one shot mahoraga
@@pbsuite One Jacobs Ladder ends the fight, it extinguishes cursed techniques and Mahoraga is a Shikigami of the Ten Shadows, a cursed technique.
Also Cursed Speech and the Rika love beam are also viable
jacobs ladder is overrated af, its a controverial power because if its so powerful, then why didnt it kill sukuna , jacobs ladder is a maximum output and it couldnt kill sukuna, mahoraga is too durable
Maki is being compared to mahoraga because of his durability
At the end of the angels ct is controversial itself , but he cant kill 15f sukuna or mahoraga,
@@pbsuite It doesn't matter because it extinguishes cursed technique, if Mahoraga was a sorcerer then you'd have an argument but because Mahoraga is an extension of a cursed technique it would just one tap
@@pbsuiteJacobs ladder extinguishes cursed techniques idiot sukuna isn't one 😑😑😑😑 but mahoraga is and even then it damaged sukuna greatly,it would just extinguish mahoraga since mahoraga is a cursed technique stop making a clown of yourself
DIsagree with your final analysis, but can´t refute it without mere speculation. I do love your narrative style and analysis. Thanks for the content.
After current chapter and what yuta pulled off, he low diffs mahoraga 😂
No bullshit
Are you serious , I think anime fans have low.memory , let me remind you that mahoragas sword.of extermination has broken gojos domain
He has superhuman speed and strength , stop embarrassing yourself
@@pbsuitemahoraga had already adapted to UV tho so that’s a moot point,
Strength speed and durability is quite common in anime so idk what your talking about, Yuta has been stated to be especially tanky and hard to kill due to RCT, and positive energy isn’t going to kill him, it’s only going to heal him if anything
Then u have to scale them
15 finger sukuna no diffs mahoraga
Current yuta is harming sukuna multiple times before his domain expansion, and in his domain expansion has shown he can definitely fight sukuna at 20 fingers
@@ultrabusterninja9424 current sukuna is.weakened by yuji and is at 10fingers after fighting gojo. So ..think again
@@pbsuite never stated he’s at 10 fingers he at 20, having half the cursed energy amount doesn’t make his output any weaker, and the only thing weakened was his RCT output, the point of the hiean form was that it was a full revive.
Again, this sukuna’s only nerf at this point was RCT output, and maybe cursed energy amount and/or ce output
Being weakened by Yuji doesn’t matter, the only reason Yuji even hit him was because of Yuta first,
It’s also clear that Yuta and Rika did the most damage
This your art on thumbnail? That is so clean man! Epic
Retrotheartist on twitter, he’s a beast
List it in the description @@xmere
"Not be close" is VERY true while being very false.... had me thinking you thought Yuta would blitz Maho 😭
I cant take youtubers with agenda seriously ,
Gege has made it very clear that mahoraga is the ultimate cheat code, the longer you fight him ,the lower your chances of killing him
Jacobs ladder cant instantly kill mahoraga, its debatable if it can even work on him
Stop the agenda
@@pbsuite It nullifies cursed techniques .Mahoraga is part of the ten shadows cursed technique.
@@fireknight12390he is a shikigami summoned by the technique also in this scenario mahoraga can not be helped by a 10 shadows user so its weird to say he just disappears
@@neferpitou.The fact that Sukuna took significant damage simply because his heian era form was produced through CE (even though he’s not a CT). Saying that because Mahoraga is a shadow, but isn’t a CT and doesn’t get instantly eviscerated is a bit weird to say
@@ttv.Just_Senju I don't fully understand what you are saying but what I mean is mahoraga is a summon he isn't an aspect of ten shadows he is like a person in that technique but also for the purpose of this fight taking mahoraga as a single shikigami it will be weird to just say he is a technique and Jacobs ladder erases techniques, it's even weirder cause Jacobs ladder doesn't do instant damage it's more like over time and that's bad when your aim is to kill mahoraga immediately with one attack
Yo mere, I love the new style of thumbnails.Keep up with the W vids.
Thank you so much bro!
lets talk about how unfair gege is to yuji. bro gave yuta a copy technique an external hard drive for cts and ce plus a broken domian expansion. all yuji got is soul punching and blood manipulation?
Supongo que a gege le gusta hacer sufrir a yuji para desarrollarlo, en el pasado gege dijo que no le gustaba yuji asi que ya se entiende la manera de actuar de gege
Supongo que gege le gusta que su protagonista no sea fuerte para desarrollarlo y mejorarlo poco a poco, es una manera de que sea interesante el manga
Depends on what mahoraga r we talking about. Let me explain, the shikigamis grow stronger if the user is stronger. Megumi mahoraga was 13-15 fingers of sukuna, but meguna mahoraga…. It was equal to 19-20 fingers and had the world cutting slash. Gojo himself said that mahoraga was on pair with meguna’s power. Yuta is equal to 17 fingers, so yeah mahoraga would slap yuta
Gojo never said so
It’s the same mahoraga nothing is different between the two be on the fact that the user is more competent.
Yuta like 10 fingers don't highball him he has shown nothing that is close to 17 fingers
@ roughly 15. a good estimate of how much he has would be precisely half considering yuta analyze that sukuna would have roughly double cursed energy reserves. And when sukuna was caught in yuta’s domain and thought them for a bit he commented on the fact that his reserves were down roughly 50% that practically matched yuta’s
@rigoeguzman8758 his rct alone has shown that plus his domain refinery level
Imagine bro just tames mahoraga and has rika and him 💀
why didn't he just bite off one of megumi's fingers or something so he coulda had maho 🙏
In Megumi's Domain he could summon multiple Mahoraga jumping Yuta. Unless Yuta's Domain would erase chimera shadow garden.
Lol you must be reading Kukutsi Jaisen, in what world is that canon???
Yuta's domain is more refined then megumi's so it would just overpower megumi's domain in a domain clash
Multiple Mahoraga what head canon you talking about?
@@ck10clan10harveyhe means if sukuna or megumi combined mahoraga with rabbits lol😂
@ck10clan10harvey megumi can summon multiple shikigami clones, including himself in his domain
When Hana asked if Gojo was evil and that's why he vanished I don't think it means to say JL has some ability to discern evil but she was asking if he was a cursed object and erased him, because of Angel's personal beliefs deeming them evil. That's why she asked if she was an "evil spirit".
6 months later and after Sukuna quite literally scaled Jacob's Ladder, no way, Yuta gets folded by Mahoraga.
Yes, Yuta has a lot of options, but he lacks the firepower. Plain and simple. Jacob's Ladder wouldn't outright destroy Mahoraga, and it's nowhere near close the fire arrow or Purple. The Love Beam is powerful but also won't vaporize Mahoraga (unless Yuta tries another Hail Mary biding vow on his life, like he did against Geto). The entire fight would be Yuta hits Mahoraga with X, click, Mahoraga is now resistant to it, rinse and repeat until Mahoraga adapts to Copy itself.
Also: 5:00 - No, that's a stylistic choice of the anime. If Sukuna opened up his domain, Mahoraga would get sliced up badly, but there is nothing to indicate he would be destroyed. Again this is hindsight, but we have seen many characters with high defense tank Shrine even for a few moments (Yuji, Gojo).
If Yuta uses a domain on Mahoraga what would Mahoraga do exactly? Yuta would be able to use Jacobs Ladder as a sure hit effect at a higher level then angel ever could and he has his stats buffed from domain on top of that. Just how the hell can Mahoraga deal with that and Rika and Yuta at the same that.
@@NeoAwakened Just read the manga my dude.
Yuta doesn't get perfect knowledge on the techniques he copies, and we know that he actually has very poor CE control. Which is how Sukuna tanked it and just the same how Mahoraga would.
@@ggwp638BC Sukuna it was never explained why how he tanked it. He was using hollow wicker because he didn't want to be hit and randomly drops it and tanks it. Most likely a binding vow
@@NeoAwakened It was, just read the manga. Same how Yuta's hollow purple was nothing close to Gojo's.
@@ggwp638BC it was never directly stated ever, give me a panel or chapter number this is never said once in the manga how he was able to tank it
Yuta (with cursed speech): "Stop Adapting"
I think is like a new mahoraga for every new inbocator 2:50
8:10 “Return.”
Actually super clever- (forgot Inumaki said that to divine dog) except for the fact that Mahoraga can just be resummoned by the user. He doesn't get destroyed, but cursed energy does get used up by him being summoned
@@doopdope2211 Just wait until after he almost kills the user, and then say return.
@@TheManDude If you mean Mahoraga almost killing the user then that works, if they haven't yet tamed Mahoraga that is
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Pretty good analysis 👍
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is this guy forgetting yuta can use techniques outside of his domain? the litteral point of him winning is him finishing the fight early that's litteraly in character1; also he ran out of cursed energy not because he healed but because he outputed positive energy
10:20 this is semantics tbh. Angel's CT nulifies CT's, so a beam on Mahoraga, who is a manifestation of the 10 shadows, should take massive damage or evaporate
The angel curse ct is a iffy cause it not clear if it would kill mahoraga cause it say it extermates the person curse technique so either your right and it one tap mahoraga or it more likely has to hit the person who has the ct in order to extermates it but sense Mahoraga is a shadow you would need to hit the one casting it to get rid of it all together it still not a one hundred percent win but Yuta has a way better chance than any character outside the top 2 and maybe kashimo cause of his Ct plus the sure hit he has.
shibuya and shinkju maho are two different ones
1st one can somewhat contend with a supressed 15f sukuna
the other is blatantly keeping up with a weakened gojo vs sukuna
realistically yuji stands no chance against shinjuku
shibuya is the one head beat
Not trying to be a hater because I enjoy your content and agree with this video but bro you padded the length of the video for SO LONG by just repeating yourself over and over again in several parts of the video and going back after lengthy explanations to repeat the premise over and over like yes I get it, Yutw would use Jacob's Ladder to delete Mahoraga
Yuta would be mahoraga’s nightmare. Yuta has probably 100s of cursed techniques copied mahoraga wouldn’t be able to keep adapting to win he needs time to adapt to each technique.
I wouldn’t say nightmare, considering we don’t exactly know if maho can adapt to multiple things at once but I would say he can. It would basically accumulatin in Yuta running out of options assuming he doesn’t just one shot maho which is debatable
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2:28 it's stated that no one is history has ever tamed mahoraga so that 10s user couldn't have used mahoraga against the 6 eyes user all those years ago. Also, just because someone has the 6 eyes and limitless doesn't mean that they used it the same way gojo does, they couldn't have applied it differently which is why red ab blue worked on mahoraga but that's irrelevant since no one ever tamed mahoraga
They don't need to tame mahoraga to summon them. Gojo and megumi were implying that towards the end of the fight the previous ten shadows user summoned mahoraga against the six eyes used as a murder-suicide move
I don't think the other guy actually read jjk@@Wyrm7774
Megumi is proof you don’t need to tame Mahoraga, he summons him in shibuya. Toji has full knowledge of blue and red, Gojo comments that being part of a famous clan makes his techniques well known. It’s likely to suppose that a High level Gojo clan member would use blue and red when battling the Zenin, and the Zenin would definitely use Mahoraga.
@xmere You're ignoring speedscaling. 15f sukuna blitzed ryu who is on par with yuta, while mahoraga was somewhat keeping up with gojo and 20f sukuna. Some people say that yuta was holding back, but that's not true at all. He wanted to beat them without killing and causing collateral damage as a quickly as possible, but ended up using his CT and BIQ to defeat ryu, which would't be the case if he was so much stronger and faster than ryu
There’s also the time skip with yuta he probs speed blitz ryu now or at least is extremely faster than him now
One thing - current Yuta is stronger than the Yuta that fought Ryu
Sakuna said the current Yuta is stronger, and plus he was fighting two special grades, like y’all state facts or stfu
@@raynerkefe4413 sukuna said everybody improved their ce manipulation level, but it isn’t clear by how much. Yuji and yuta were keeping up with heavily weakened sukuna after gojo fight + yuji lowering his output. Ryu who is relative to yuta got completely blitzed by 15f sukuna. While mahoraga is somewhat keeping up with gojo, which means that he is around 18-19 fingers(likely slightly slower than full power sukuna who is slightly slower than gojo). I really doubt that one month of training closed so much gap in speed difference.
Yuta was holding back, idk what story you're reading 😂
The domain just allows the attacks to hit automatically, as well as give him a larger stash of techniques to use. Yuta would still have to be able to use a technique to its largest extent to begin with in order to use Jacob's Ladder in his domain. It isn't too far to say that Yuta/Rika could restrain Mahoraga long enough to pull off the technique either.
do you think if yuta jumped in when he wanted they wouldve won? because they claimed yuta wouldve gotten in the way but I think that was just a reason for the fight and story to go on. realistically I see yuta jumping in popping de with everyone in it and have gojo vs sukuna 1v1 while yuta and rika fight agito and mahoraga with the sure hit of angels technique. it would instantly force sukuna to pop hien era form and make him hold the hand sign for hollow wicker basket while FIGHTING GOJO, and mahoraga and agito would most likely be instantly decimated like you said if even lets go of the hand seal.
At that time mahoraga had the world Slash so If yuta tries to go in he either gets one shotted by mahoraga's world Slash or sukuna Just sends a big dismantle and kills him, yuta said It himself that If sukuna wasn't weakend by everything that happened he would be annihilated by that series of dismantles, plus sukuna didn't even chant those.
I think they would win because maharaga would either have to stop the limitless adaptation so he can adapt to yuta or fight yuta without adaptation and agito doesn’t seem very strong. That would make it sukuna vs gojo 1 vs 1 which gojo would win and yuta could just use his domain expansion when sukuna has no domain expansion. Also if yuta jump in then everyone else would as well which I think would be to much for sukuna.
@@jasperking442 Bro did you read a single thing that i wrote? Yuta is not stalling mahoraga because he gets one shotted by world Slash and mahoraga can literaly trow world cutting dismantles, and sukuna can one shot him in a Blink of an eye Just like It was stated by yuta himself, "If he wasn't weakend by everything that happened he would have annihilated us in an instant" and that shit was a normal dismantle Net without any chants with a much lower output than in Gojo fight.
Plus Agito was almost keeping up with Gojo, sukuna and mahoraga, he was not that dar back, plus he can use electricity with doesn't affect Gojo because of mugen but it does affect yuta and he has RCT, and If he was in the fight Gojo wouldn't be able to trow the Blue that killed agito, or the unrestructed hollow purple, because Gojo's technichs affect everyone in the range and that includes yuta.
And another point would be that maybe Gojo wouldn't even be able to land the Black flash on mahoraga and the other If he wasn't fighting ALL of them at once, because you have to be at your absolute limit, in a situation of extraordinary concentration and life treatning situation to land a Black flash, and If mahoraga wasn't there with the world Slash he wouldn't feel that way.
I'm pretty sure they could of won right there, Yuta would not be one shoted by Sukuna because he was already weakened at that point, Maho wouldn't one shot Yuta either because the world slash of Maho was made to be used against Gojo not Yuta, he should be able to one shot both Maho and Agito with Jacob's L, and if for some reason that didn't work he still has his domain, and if that didn't work either both Yuta and Rika physically scale to Heian era Sukuna, who's way stronger than Maho and Agito.
@@JPBerty01 no tf I didn’t read anything you wrote because I’m not talking to you
After reading the last chapter I had a thought: When talking about the Split Soul Katana it says "... Wielded by an individual capable of perceiving the soul, the wound imparted by them CANNOT ordinarily be healed by use of RCT..." I feel like this is foreshadow that Yuji will use the katana. I know he probably doesn't have the swordsmanship but they could create an opening. It doesn't seem like anybody really knows the secret behind the katana either though...
Random SN: It would be interesting to see Maki to wield Nanami's machete now that it's a cursed tool if only for little while. The combination of the cursed tool and heavenly restriction sounds OP
Yutas output atleast top 3 in the verse because even after using a dominion and even finishing almost all his cursed energy during the stand off with ryu yuta was able to output almost as much as ryu the guy who holds the record for the highest out put ever recorded and let’s not forget it’s already been stated that ryus output remains the same even if his used his domain or is low on cursed energy but that isn’t the same for yuta and yet he was still able to almost match him meaning yuta at full power could probably be able to release and even higher output than ryu, also sukuna might have more cursed energy than yuta but it’s never actually been stated that he can release more since ryu still holds the record till this day
Yuta opens his domain. Mahoraga looks at all the swords. His wheel immediatly becomes redhot from spinning faster than light
Imagine mahoraga adapts to copy in general 😂
8:25 how th has this video not been taken down yet
If yuta does his domain expansion before mahoraga adapts then he might win because if he can just spam all of his cursed techniques he copied then it will be harder too adapt in time for mahoraga.
-edit I forgot too say that since we are using the sukuna mahoraga Jacob's latter might work
Mahoraga is going to break the domain bruh 😒 yuta has to get in close to attack
This isn't dark souls so bro isn't no damaging mahoraga
@deeeeeeznutz mahoraga aint breaking shit when hes hit with jacobs ladder
Yuta really just needs to use Jacob's Ladder on Mahoraga, he would most likely dissolve into a shadow puddle upon being hit (Jacob's Ladder nullifies all forms of jujutsu sorcery, it's basically the ISOH, but as a CT and on steroids, because it doesn't just nullify CTs, but jujutsu as a whole). However even if we were to take away Angel's Technique Nullification CT from Yuta, he'd still beat Maho, the sheer variety and versatility of his arsenal is literally an hard counter to Maho's adaptation, and he definetly has attacks capable of finishing the job, i'd like to remind ya'll that Yuta now has Sukuna's CT in his arsenal.
Like, an hypothetical way in which Yuta could beat Maho that immediately comes to mind "other than just using Jacob's Ladder", is him opening his DE and imbuing it with Sukuna's CT as the sure hit, which means that like in Malevolent Shrine, Maho would be spammed with cleaves and dismantles, as he is being continuously slashed, Yuta shoots him with the Rika blast and finishes the job, and this is just one example, there are plenty of ways in which he could get the job done.
Bro hows yuta gonna coppy the angel move and the others move without fighting them? Or seeing them?[btw idk how the copy works]
Apart from Yuta vs Mahoraga the Yuta vs 15F Sukuna is not even a debate anymore like before
W video I like it a lot! I agree with how you view Yuta. Honestly though I’d have to give it to Mahoraga if you consider it never shows feats of adapting to physical force and it’s throwing hands with relevancy (though not alot) to 15F Sukuna in physical prowess. He’s dodging Angel’s CT forsure especially if you think kashimo’s light speed. If not then Yuta takes it.
Okay, the fact that this is even a debate is embarrassing , first of all lets make it very clear
mahoraga has been potraited to be the strongest shikigami in jjk
He was able to adapt to malevolent shrine and was able to adapt to limitless, I love yuta but I struggle to see how he wins , sukunas domain has no barrier which makes him remove his weakness that it can be broken , yutas domain has a barrier , do you think yutas domain can contain mahoraga ?? , he breaks that domain instantly , and his cleave as a sure hit can't be as powerful as sukunas at all given he could only scratch sukunas face with it
Lets talk about jacobs ladder , jacobs ladder is shown to eraducate cursed object in a sorcerer , is mahoraga a cursed.object .... no , but lets assume he is , its not a single hit kill attack..as it couldn't kill sukuna..which means mahoraga adapts to it
I think.people are stupid and this shouldn't be a debate, 15finger sukuna would have lost to sukuna if he didn't have his fire arrow and gojo would have lost without hollow purple ....embarrassing debate
@@pbsuite that’s why I said I give it to Mahoraga…
Maho was keeping up with goatjo. Yuta was told to not interfere until he could take on goatjo so i think statwise Yuta gets outscaled and it just dodges all of his attacks.
He said "relieve some pressure", he never once said he can defeat both of them outright. Yes Jacobs could work or it could miss due to the shikigamis stats as I stated. It could also depend on strength, since the technique CAN work and obliterate incarnated players but it doesnt do that with sukuna. so it could be effective but not a win. also if Maho goes for Rika its a gg for yuta probably.
I'd also like to mention that it was never stated a shadows user fought limitless. theres also no proof that its not resistant to cleave anymore.
Even if its the shibuya version, Yuta probably still has his hands tied.
except he never did, gojo was literally gonna destroy mahoraga with a simple red resulting in a no diff. Mahoraga only manages to keep up thanks to sukuna support.
Rika is strong enough to stall Mahoraga (maybe even kill him with the True Love Beam), while Yuta can keep switching up his Curse Techniques. The two biggest counters to Maho, that is having the Strength to stand toe to toe, and having enough options to keep outpacing his adaptation. Them being a duo is even worse, as Rika will stop Maho from getting to Yuta, while Yuta is the one dealing the real damage.
Maho's only shot here is outpacing Rika and getting ahold of Yuta early on before they figure out how to kill him
Question -
Isn't Yuta technically capable of beating Gojo via Technique Nullification and then using it in conjunction with a technique like Thin-Ice Missile or Domain Expansion? (I'm not talking about Yuta in Gojo's body)
I think the Jacob's Ladder would have to be the domain sure hit, followed by a strong move using one of the Katanas, or maybe a CE blast
@@doopdope2211 Probably.
i think mahoraga still wins yuta needs to beat him in 5 minutes at most after that he loses rika and the fight gets much worse assuming rika doesn't die immediately she gets cut by mahoraga's sword yuta's attacks arent strong enough to one shot mahoraga my opinion i will guess he will switch techniques constantly to not allow him adapt fully but i think especially since its sukuna's mahoraga he is just too strong and will eventually adapt to everything
WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? YOU JUST YAPPING NONSENSE.
Yes, mahoraga even broke gojos domain, um sure he can break yutas domain pretty easily
@@pbsuite ARE YOU INSANE?
@@pbsuiteThats because Mahoraga adapted to Limitless.
For Mahoraga, I think that Mahoraga probably just goes back to square one any time he fights a new opponent. It may not be that he doesn’t keep the knowledge from past fights, but rather that he treats every new one as an entirely different ordeal. Basically, he doesn’t assume what he can and can’t use against his opponent and just adapts regardless.
So in short, it’s not because he doesn’t remember, but rather because he adapts to every opponent individually out of choice. He’d rather let his body get shredded and adapt to the attacks so he can specifically develop counteractive techniques against any sorcerer.
Also, I think you’re wrong that he didn’t immediately adapt to infinity because one of the first things he does I believe is touch Gojo and bypassing his infinity. The problem was getting his long range attacks with his blade to bypass it. Gojo is far more formidable then the past six eyes used likely as well.
But why do we forget that before fighting Uro and Riyu he fought 7 other people or curses because he had 35 points
Plus Kurourushi
I feel like yuta lowkey low diffs maho, mahoraga's entire deadliness comes from their durability, and adaptation. but considering yuta literally has like 6+ stored cursed techniques, and has the output equivalent to heavy hitters in the series, I think it makes him essentially a hard-counter to maho
Even easier, just hit him with jacobs ladder. Unlike sukuna and gojo, yuta wont mess around and will rid himself of raga immediately
I feel like either Mahoraga's Adaptation resets each fight, or they build up only for the user. It doesn't really make sense to say that Mahoraga would keep other user's adaptations from hundreds of years ago
How it'd go:
"Stop"
"Jacob's ladder."
Who’s gonna tell him😢
@@latu-n2v "Who's gonna tell him" - 🤡
Is it sure that only one 10S user can exist at a time? Its never been stated as such, and even Kamo implied others could've inherited it when he mused to himself about it with maki and mai in the culling games. So, if that would be the case, the 10S shikigami wouldn't be shared, and each 10S user would have their own set. Which would make sense, because if the shikigami were shared, then any destroyed shikigami would mean any future 10S users wouldn't be able to use "dead" shikigami from past users.
Well, I’m pretty sure they can only be one 10 shadow user at a time. It’s basically confirmed. That every user gets their own set.
yuta wins with and without domain expansion he has the pure love beam
I think Jacob's Ladder is something Yuts can use outside of True and Mutual Love. Also I think he either high-diffs or loses to mahoraga outside of his Domain. True Love Beam and Thin-Ice Breaker together could do it, but he might have to sacrifice the copy of Rika he has to do that.
It doesn't matter , I cannot one shot mahoraga
I think the video while overall right has two big shortcoming.
The first is the excessive focus on the CT, Mahoraga can be dealt also without those, so while the malevolent-shrine-like attacks would rain on mahoraga. Yuta can simply destroy Mahoraga with a truly powerful not CT attack similar to his "simple" CE blast (I think someone call it love blast but it's really a huge shot of CE) or with Hand to hand combat while Mahoraga is still focused on resisting the rest of the attacks... this can be done in or out the Domain Expansion, just is far easier in the DE.
The other issue is in the reading of Sukuna VS Mahoraga went. Sukuna explained it quite well, to defeat mahoraga you needs to keep it busy adapting to something while you crush it with another attack he had not enough adaptation to (possibly zero adaptation), or one shot him with the first attack to start with. Sukuna had to use his Shrine because he figured out Mahoraga too later in the fight to achieve this without the Shrine. If Sukuna had this info from the start, he have could have rained down Slashes on Mahoraga and just use the Fire Arrow later and job done. Or the opposite, use the fire arrow as open move and while Mahoraga recovered/adapts to it finish it with a good Cleave... This assuming Sukuna could have not killed Mahoraga with the first attack to start with, Dismante was for sure not enough but maybe if Sukuna opened with Cleave the situation could have been different
Yuuta (or Gojo) hugely benefits from knowing how Mahoraga works in this. So comparing the two is a bit unfair to Sukuna.
Any opponent not knowing Mahoraga and without access to multiple CT is screwed to start with unless it's somehow so hugelly powerful to one shot Mahoraga. Under normal circumstances a Red from Gojo could have done the job if Mahoraga already had not started to develop resistance aganist it beforehand. Sukuna played a good game waiting to expose the General to danger only after he built up some defenses aganist most of Gojo's attacks
Mahoraga has broken domains , I m tired.of.answering dumb people
@@pbsuite He broke a Domain he was already adapted to.
Sukuna spent the whole Yorozu's fight as test drive for letting mahoraga to pre-adapt to something before summoning him.... and then he explicity did with Gojo
Gojo assumed a red would have been enough which isn't really telling much about Mahoraga's Durability since he is a pretty unknown being but still a full power reversal red is so much stronger than anything Yuta can pull off.
Yuta has no attack that can deal enough damage to Mahoraga, destroying a few blocks is a thing 15F Sukuna's slashes against Mahoraga did and is the best destruction feat of Yuta.
To kill Mahoraga you have to use several high damaging attacks but Yuta has no option that will provide that damage.
Mahoraga also is leagues stronger than Rika physically as he threw trains and whole buildings like toys.
They got nothing on Mahoraga and everyone who thinks yuta would win have to accept it.
I was thinking Angel´s technique could work, but do we know if Lil Makora´s adaptation counts as a technique? is it evil? I´m guessing since at this point he´s not a part of Megumi´s technique but the generic summoned version then he probably doesn´t count as a cursed technique in use. Rihgt?
I think that jacobs ladder would only delete mahoraga, if it was used on the 10 shadows user, since otherwise, why not just have gojo touch mahoraga with domain amplification (he could have learnt it since we saw characters like higaruma do it), negating the technique, thus instantly desummoning mahoraga
In my opinion, Yuta is a perfect counter to Mahoraga due to his Curse energy output plus the diversity of techniques given to him by Rika.
if anybody doubts yuta cant kill mahoraga now with ease you're jibbing.
Your also pushing an agenda , stop.it.
I do wanna bring up a few things, but overall I kinda agree, kinda don’t. It’s hard to say I guess.
Maho isn’t the 10S technique, he’s a shikigami summoned by it. Jacob’s ladder would work only if he hit Sukuna with it, since he’s the one using the technique. It works similarly to other shikigami/summoning techniques since we know that Megumi’s shikigami are summoned thru mediums like druv’s is with hair. Another person who summons thru mediums are the granny and her grandson in Shibuya, and we know that Toji was able to completely alter his body to have no CE, and an infinite time limit, and a will of his own. It’s possible that Toji is an exception, but nothing says as much, still, I’m willing to concede that it wouldn’t work like that. Just thought I would bring it up. Either way, we don’t know what Jacob’s ladder would do to Maho, since again, he isn’t the technique. It’s possible that it shuts off his adaptation, but we don’t know if that’s a technique or biological. Same with things like max elephant’s water, the bull’s momentum build up, and nue’s lightning. I’m not sure there’s ever a statement that says it’s their techniques, and if it’s biological, then Jacob’s ladder may just be useless.
Also, we have no info on the Edo 10S and six eyes/limitless user. We know that the contenders for the top of that era were Kashimo and Ryu, not them. It’s possible that the 10S user was insanely powerful, and didn’t use Maho. Or that the six eyes/limitless user was still a preawakened level of Gojo. Or how adaptations work or carry over. I think it’s best to assume that they don’t carry over since it’s never said, but it’s possible that it does, but not across users, or from ritual to summon (Maho adapted during a taming ritual, but Sukuna used him as a summon.), or if they ever not transfer over. That’s all there is to that, we just don’t know, so it’s safe to assume the answer is no.
Yuta is probably the perfect sorcerer to beat Mahoraga, Mahoraga's weakness is a sorcerer with multiple ways to kill it, and Yuta is the best example of that
Thats the neat part about this fight, Mahoraga normally insta win because once it adapts to your technique you're done, but Yuta has at least 6 to spare. Yuta could very reliably soften Maho with multiple techniques, chipping away at his life bar until he ended with DE angel's curse sure hit. Yuta is almost the anti-mahoraga in that sense. Yuta low diffs imo.
Only way mahoraga wins is if mahoraga adaptation to yuta’s ct adapts to any CT using yutas CE instead of having to adapt to each individual CT. Otherwise yuta should be able to body mahoraga as long as he gets straight to business and uses Domain Expansion quickly into the fight. Just based off of the CT’s we’ve seen yuta should be able to overwhelm mahoraga rather easily. Thin ice breaker into Jacob’s Ladder into Cleave+Dismantle should be pretty fatal. This is still assuming that Yuta doesn’t have access to other CTs we’ve seen from allies or people he’s fought. He’s had 2 chances to get blood manipulation, could have 10s, Star rage, Kurorushis CT, Curse Manipulation (and uzumaki by extension), Mythical Beast Amber, Inos technique, Ratio, and that’s just based off of the people we know he’s come into contact with. Think about the people that it’s likely he’s come into contact with and their CTs, Boogie Woogie, construction (Mai/yorozu CT), Puppet manipulation, Projection Sorcery, Ice Manipulation, Straw Doll, Kenjakus gravity, hazenokis explosions, etc. because his CT is so busted and his physical have been shown to at least be relative to the top tier in the verse and he has top 2 CE reserves in the verse Yuta is kinda unbeatable outside of Gojo and Sukuna (I think kashimo has a solid chance as well)
The glazing is insant, yuta is.not.thay guy , yuta doesn't one shot mahoraga
Okay, the fact that this is even a debate is embarrassing , first of all lets make it very clear
mahoraga has been potraited to be the strongest shikigami in jjk
He was able to adapt to malevolent shrine and was able to adapt to limitless, I love yuta but I struggle to see how he wins , sukunas domain has no barrier which makes him remove his weakness that it can be broken , yutas domain has a barrier , do you think yutas domain can contain mahoraga ?? , he breaks that domain instantly , and his cleave as a sure hit can't be as powerful as sukunas at all given he could only scratch sukunas face with it
Lets talk about jacobs ladder , jacobs ladder is shown to eraducate cursed object in a sorcerer , is mahoraga a cursed.object .... no , but lets assume he is , its not a single hit kill attack..as it couldn't kill sukuna..which means mahoraga adapts to it
I think.people are stupid and this shouldn't be a debate, 15finger sukuna would have lost to sukuna if he didn't have his fire arrow and gojo would have lost without hollow purple ....embarrassing debate
mahoraga adapts to rika by making a clone of himself to intercept rika's attacks 🔥
Now that i'm seeing more yuta versus battles You just realize how broken yuta domain is If he could copy gojo's techniques imagine a hollow Purple as a sure hit technique
He said he could hold off both Mahoraga AND Agito so Gojo can focus on Sukuna and my goat never lies. End of debate.
Even without DE, I'm not convinced Mahoraga wins. The video claims Yuta would run out of curse energy when every piece of evidence says other.
Yuta is constantly referred to as having ludicrous amounts of it. He only began to run low due to fighting some of the strongest sorcerers in history at the SAME TIME, even bring ganged up on.
One of those sorcerers having the highest CE in the verse, higher even than Sukuna, and Yuta tanking several of those blasts. Mahoraga does NOT have either the blast output of CE comparable to Ryu, nor the physical stats to compare to a Ryu blast to inflict the amount of damage that forced Yuta to use up the amount of CE he was forced to when doing RCT to recover from Ryu blasts (or Thin Icebreaker for that matter)
Pretty unfair to claim he'd "run out", especially when all that is even before he puts on the ring for refills
yuta: you seem to have FULLY adapted to one of my techniques, but i can use another!
mahoraga: i adapted to copy, not the technique it copied
yuta: oh
How would he adapt to that?
@@rayyanjamil6966 Yeah idk what i was thinking when i posted this.
When mahoraga is in the process of adapting to a technique (meaning the wheel started spinning) can he start adapting to another technique? Or is the eight handled wheel "busy" with the previous adaptation?
With Gojo and sukuna mahoraga was adapting to the technich itself like Gojo' limitless, and sukuna the concept of cut itself, so with yuta i think It would adapt to copy cursed technichs Itself, so anything he had copied, Just like yorozu, she could create a lot of things but It all had the same origin so when he was summoned he had already adapted to everything including her Domain Expansion, which would not be possible If he adapted to one thing at a time.
It can adapt to multiple techniques at once, it was adapting to red while still doing an adaptation to blue to improve on it
@@JPBerty01 Mahoraga can't adapt to Copy. Construction and Copy are not similar in any form.
@@Endmaten1 How so? He doesn't copy the exact technich he makes It his and it is limited by his cursed energy and output, plus he hasn't made any binding vow to change specifications or anything. His technich is different from the original technich, take Sukuna's cleave for example even the narrator said "a false cleave". So that does indicate that every ability he copies has a origin, which would be copy Itself, nobody knows how mahoraga's adaptation would work in this case so stop saying shit like you are the author.
Until it is a stated fact that every technich he copies is a cursed technich Itself and does not have anything to do with copy, or it's stated How mahoraga's adaptation would work in this case when making a hipotetical battle you need to do every case and say what would happen in every case, otherwise you are not considering the possibilities, Just like the Guy in the video obviosly doing everything in his Power to make yuta stronger than mahoraga when he's clearly not.
@@JPBerty01 You're spouting nonsense. Show where was it stated that he doesn't copy the exact technique but makes it his. And not sure what you're saying by "it's limited by his CE and CEO" when every technique is limited by its user's CE and CEO. If Yuta's copies a technique that's different from the original he would be stuck at the point of where the technique was copied, but instead he showed the ability to use the word "Die" which is a very strong word that Toge never thought of saying. What do you mean by "A false Cleave" when did the narrator ever said a Cleave is a false Cleave? If you're talking about chapter 251, the narrator straight up said it's a mock cleave, meaning he's mocking Sukuna. Sukuna straight up explained Mahoraga's adaptation, neither of which talked options would work on Copy.
Yuta literally stores them, if you store any CT copied in your brain then that means the technique becomes engraved into his body. Yuta scales higher than Mahoraga and that's a fact.
YUTA SUPREMACY!!!
This is why i dont take youtubers seriously , the only way to take out mahoraga is to one shot him
Angels curse technique is not an instant kill or his love beam couldnt kill geto instantly
Yuta aint winning this fight
@@pbsuitetu ignorancia ya rompe en la locura. Todo ataque cargado puede destruir a Mahoraga. El rayo de Yuta, Uzumaki, carajo incluso un rojo-azul. Se dice la escalera de Jacob porque cancela tecnicas malditas no porque asesine, a Sukuna le hace daño por la técnica de los dedos (reencarnación). Como tal, la forma más fácil para Yuta es encerrarlo en el dominio y matarlo con 1 de los 6 o + golpes seguros que tiene. Mahoraga no puede resistir los ataques así cuando es de manera continua. Así que si o si Yuta ganaría. Saludos hermano.
@@pbsuitelove beam can indeed one shot mahoraga at the time of geto he was using uzumaki with almost 4500 curses and he can also reinforced his body with cursed energy.Love beam was slightly weaker than ryu's granite blast which has the highest output of ce in history
@@LEGEND-fd1ibremember, that love beam required a binding vow , yuta promised his life to rika , and that's why he was able to achieve such power , but he can't just do a binding vow now
@@elgunt3er802bro.chill., yuta is no.match mahoraga , period
One thing that matters a lot is that mahoragas durability is very bad before he begins to adapt
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Does Yuta not have a maximum technique anymore?
Worst case scenario domain expansion and Maho IS COOKED
Yuta is outstated here quite a bit. The "Divergent Sila" managed to endure and keep up with 15F Sukuna. From Sukunas own words he has, inside Yutas domain and after fighting Gojo, just as much cursed energy than Yuta. The same Yuta that said Sukuna has more than double of his amount of cursed energy. That puts his cursed ernergy around 8-9 fingers. Same as Jogo.
The "Divine General" has endured "Dismantle"s that should be above the ones Yuta has endured and said they would kill him before his rct would kick in.
Now with "Jackobs Ladder" Yuta would dispell the summoning. "Mahoraga" would not be dead, as "Nue:Totality" was still around later, but on his own he has no way of returning to the battlefield. He would be out of bounds.
While i think he cant win a fight i am confident that he could get a ring out 10/10 times. At least on their first fight that is.
Especially less close with rika having reverse curse technique
wait.. did the old six eyes user who lost to big raga actually have limitless? cuz never seen that stated, just that he has the six eyes. raga may have never seen red or blue before
To argue yuta using shrine imo they should be similar strengh since yuta dismantle did abt the same amount of damage as sukunas did on gojo with imo sukuna and gojo having similar physcial stats
1 simple jacob ladder distinguishing either the user or mahoraga instantly defeats them, as it burn all techniques out
I think this would go well with you to debate over Kenjukus technique, it depends on whether it just needs to be activated in which that would just be the summoning or if it’s continuous use
I mean given that Rika is seemingly a Shikigami not a Spirit, post timeskip Yuta should win pretty easily especially with Angels CT. Pre-timeskip however is a different story as I cannot see a way that he can win.
A more interesting fight in my opinion is Kenjaku Vs Mahoraga. I think Kenjaku will lose but am interested to see your take Mere.
Rika is a curse spirit, the soul of rika isnt there but its a curse
Shikigamis cant think or talk for themselves , curses have shown to have intelligence unloke shikigamis
Rika is a curse , mahoraga kills her with his blade
I think the reason Mahoraga didn't keep the adaptation of the limitless from hundreds of years ago is because the user changed.
I dont think jacobs ladder would work on mahoraga because “divine general” sounds more angelic than cursed
Super Love Beam and Maximum Uzumaki clear Makora, personally. Yuuki's black hole or basic infinite mass slams too.
Makora is being overrated because the only things that have "killed" it so far are Shrine/Fuuga/Hollow Purple. But that doesn't mean those are the only things that CAN kill it.
The real implication of Makora dying to Shrine is that a large number of lesser attacks will still kill Makora, so long as there are enough of them and the stream of attacks is continuous enough. Makora's base durability is objectively lower than Ryuu's after all.
Considering Yuta knows how Makora works, there's a very strong argument that Shikigami + CE beams would kill Makora if he were serious about it (prior to it adapting too far).
Where did you get that base mahoraga is Ryu level of durability? Do you get that mahoraga tanked without any serious damage a Black flash from Gojo right in the chest? Yuta said he trew up by Gojo normal punch and Gojo never tried to kill yuta, and a Black flash is your normal punch to the Power 2.5( an example of this is: lets say a punch is 5000 Newtons of force, the same punch as a Black flash would be 1767766952.97 Newtons of force) yuta would literaly be reduced to atoms by a punch like that. He's love Beam Lost to Ryu granite blast which yuta took with no major damage so no It would not even come close to kill mahoraga the only thing that can possibly kill mahoraga is Jacobs latter and the technich description is: forces the deactivation of the targets cursed technich, so going by that It would deactivate mahoraga's adaptation, only if It hit the ten shadows user It would deactivate ten shadows itself because that would be the targets technich.
By what the Guy in the video said angel would be able to put a Beam If light in front of her and any technich that comes is deactivated like hollow purple, or world Slash, even Domain Expansion, so it doesn't make any sense she would literaly be untoucheble.
Finally power scaling in the same universe
Yuta is a perfect counter to mahoraga since he has so many different cursed techniques+he has rika and his own technique
Mahoraga isnt going seat around and wait for jacobs ladder to land remember they had to catch off guard sukuna with inumaki
would Jacob's Ladder nullify Mahoraga's adaptation?
I mean, the executioner sword is portrayed as a one shot to cursed spirits bc its imbued with reverse technique, so if mahoraga gets a hit in rika, she dead, and yuta alone probably would lose
Yuta AP scales to Sukuna doing some damage to his face with thin ice breaker, Gojo does similar dmg with red. Gojo believes he can 1 shot mahoraga with red.
Mahoraga
Gojo's Red dealt considerably more damage to Sukuna than Yuta did, also Yuta scales nowhere close to Sukuna's durability in the first place.
Mahoraga is also shown to be able to adapt to several phenomena at once, and worst case is that Mahoraga adapts to Copy as a whole which isn't impossible.
Mahoraga also wouldn't suffer damage from Jacob's Ladder since his Title is literally "Divine General" and he is treated as such. None of the attacks Yuta has can do enough damage before Mahoraga immediately regenerates from it.
It's a pretty lost cause as Yuta lacks proper firepower against a being who can regenerate completely within a fraction of a second.
Even with Domain, Yuta cannot deal enough damage to kill Mahoraga before he adapts to the domain itself and breaks it, or just dominate Yuta in h2h combat until he has taken more damage than he can sustain to keep his domain active.
@@ineedalife6 yes, yuta’s attack does less damage than red, but the fact it does damage at all to Sukuna is an insane feat considering gojo’s red can one shot mahoraga.
If gojo’s red is WAYYY above mahoraga’s durability, then yuta having even low end scaling to red implies it would do serious damage to Mahoraga even if it doesn’t one shot him.
In addition, jacob’s ladder doesnt only kill things that are evil, it also disables a cursed technique. Mahoraga is by definition an application of a cursed technique and would likely instantly be disabled and disappear. Also saying mahoraga would not be hurt by jacob’s ladder because the word “divine” is in his name is a name fallacy, it doesnt necessitate anything about if he is percieved as “evil.”
Even without jacob’s ladder, with a sure hit effect Yuta’s pile on constant attacks that each do SIGNIFICANT damage to mahoraga. Yuta can spam dozens of attacks onto mahoraga way before Mahoraga can hope to adapt.
Mahoraga doesn’t stand a chance
@@halointernet4906 The red statement is made by gojo but he didn't one shot Mahoraga at all after firing a few reds which mahoraga tanked.
Compare the damage from one red to whatever Yuta pulled off, it's not even close considering sukuna being much weaker than he was against gojo.
Mahoraga also had to adapt to lies in shibuya which implies that he is pure at start which would exclude him from the first effect of JL as he is a pure/neutral being. Also a untamed mahoraga isn't bound by any CT but a seperate being tht only appeared by the ritual, so he is excluded from the second effect. See it as a gate, Mahoraga passes through, JL only destroys the gate but Mahoraga is already inside.
Yuta additionally hasn't stocked on any attacks that deal enough damage and that are complex enough to force more than two spins for a proper adaptation, he only has like 3 moves of that level which all cannot one-shot Mahoraga and the next time he uses them again, Mahoraga has developed high resistance already as he immediately starts the analysis and adaptation once he is hit.
@@ineedalife6 At the point at which Sukuna gets hit by yuta he is hardly weakened in terms of durability. The only nerf he has recieved at this point is one soul punch from Yuji. We know that Yuji's soul punches aren't a one shot level nerf, as we see that Sukuna's ability to fight Yuta in his domain is mostly uninhibited, with Yuta only noticing a change after 9 punches from Yuji. Its clear that Sukuna at the start of the fight should blatantly scale to Yuta's AP. You don't have to think that red and thin ice breaker are doing the same damage to recognize that they are very obviously in the same dimension of AP, that being a 1 shot level above mahoraga.
It also doesn't matter if Yuta can't one shot him, because like with every other sure hit domain he can stack on several of the same attack all at once, which would elevate him to one shot levels.
Also mahoraga being a separate entity not bound by the technique is literally never stated and its directly contradicted. If that were the case, then Sukuna wouldn't be able to summon a new mahoraga after killing the old one. It also wouldn't explain how mahoraga in the past killed a six eyes user and 10 shadows user but evidently isn't still just roaming the world. Shikigami aren't individual entities, they are part of the 10 shadows cursed technique and need it as a medium to keep existing. Mahoraga would 100% just be desummoned by JL.
Rika comes out she is dead the second she manifests
Rika would get wiped by Mahoraga completely. The reason I say that is because rika is a cursed spirit, Mahoraga’s blade is specialized in cursed spirits. Sukuna said it himself “If I was a cursed spirit I would’ve been eliminated in the first blow” Mahoraga’s blade would cut through her like butter.
Rika can use RCT , read the manga dude.
@@African-AmericanGoose Not when Mahoraga chops her head off. Plus, can rika even act by herself? Or does she depend on yuta to control her?
@@African-AmericanGoose he clearly does. your point?
@@JustAnOrcaYTBro you don't read this manga first of all the Rika now is a Shikigami not a cursed spirit. Secondly Mahoraga is not blitzing Rika at all she has higher stats then Yuta LOL
@@Berlinh2If you can use RCT that means you are not a cursed spirit. So Mahoragas sword would not work
😂fire vid
nah bro, you are fire
More like dumb take
Okay, the fact that this is even a debate is embarrassing , first of all lets make it very clear
mahoraga has been potraited to be the strongest shikigami in jjk
He was able to adapt to malevolent shrine and was able to adapt to limitless, I love yuta but I struggle to see how he wins , sukunas domain has no barrier which makes him remove his weakness that it can be broken , yutas domain has a barrier , do you think yutas domain can contain mahoraga ?? , he breaks that domain instantly , and his cleave as a sure hit can't be as powerful as sukunas at all given he could only scratch sukunas face with it
Lets talk about jacobs ladder , jacobs ladder is shown to eraducate cursed object in a sorcerer , is mahoraga a cursed.object .... no , but lets assume he is , its not a single hit kill attack..as it couldn't kill sukuna..which means mahoraga adapts to it
I think.people are stupid and this shouldn't be a debate, 15finger sukuna would have lost to sukuna if he didn't have his fire arrow and gojo would have lost without hollow purple ....embarrassing debate