The comments are so weird. BDS is not a radical group. It’s a consumer based solution, what could be more milk toast and liberal? How could finkelstein’s issues with them be a symptom of centrism or moderate-ness?
@@BlackLabelSlushie I don't think he's changed at all. Notice how he specifically says how BDS is behaving NOW. His positions is that BDS is not nearly enough and people should not presume that BDS is the end all be all to Palestinian liberation.
Slowly but surely you are losing no more old lady in the soopreme court no more moshi'ach in the present dental office And the #MovementIDontKnowHowManyOfYouHasGoneDownNowFromThat Weinstein,Epstein, ??????????
refugees status is not a title to be passed from generation to generation. once we apply the same definition to all the people claiming to be a refugee, we can agree on the return conformations.
1948 the arabs kicked all jews out of their lands and stole their property, about 600,000 jews. There are no Jewish refugees. Meanwhile not 1 arab state takes in any palestinian refugees except the country they are supposed to rule, Jordan, which anyways is historically Israel. BDS is just a hate movement to destroy Israel, it has nothing to do with peace or helping refugees or the poor. The PLO leaders get rich off the war and pocket billions from UNRWA while arabs suffer under Hamas and tribalism. In short, when the arab nations have an ounce of respect for their own people and stop perpetuating war, there will be peace. So long as people call to destroy Israel, which is exactly what BDS calls for, there will be war.
Surprised all of that struggle dsnt turn more Palestinians atheist. But then again, I guess the situation is so bad onr couldnt rlly deal with it all without religion...
Israel is not facing any sanctions unlike Iran which is imposed financial and other sanctions by U.S.A. Israel receives a lot of money from U.S government each year.
Iran brought those sanctions on herself by constantly threatenning very powerfull countries with violence and terror , and by destabilising the entire middle east because of its own grandeur delusions. Iran will be tought a lesson.
@@oklol7555 Let me make it clear I don't think Iran asked for any of this And it's high time to stop portraying them as the evil villains that they are not.That worked with the Germans and the Nazi's a 100 years ago it's not gonna work anymore you gotta come up with a new story
@@oklol7555 either you're really simple like a child or you think everybody is simple like a child like you. Good and bad in real life are not so simple read a news paper from a 100 years ago perhaps it would help your perspective
This is nonsense. There isn't even a P sound in Arabic. The word Palestinian comes from the Hebrew, not Arabic and from the Torah no less. Find me one source otherwise! The root of Palestinian in Hebrew is Polesh, 'Invader'.الغازي in Arabic, and they were from Greece millenia before Mohammad. The contested region, from Gaza to the East bank of Jordan, was Judea and renamed Palestine by Roman emperor Hadrian after Tiberius destroyed and scattered the Jews from Judea. Jesus was a Jewish rabbi around that time, and his disciple 'Judas' is a testament to Judea, a common name in Judaism. Josephus Flavius wrote about it. Augustine wrote about it. All of history and genetic testing attests to the fact that Jews are from Judea, and that modern Jews are from historic Semetic people. Even the Koran attests that Israel is the people of the bible. So the 'Ashkenazi' story does not hold up not even a little. Ashkenazi Jews were exiled to Italy, then moved north to the German region, before being dispersed to Russia/Poland and Eastern Europe. Regardless, there were 600,000 Sephardic Jews who were in Morocco, Iraq, Algeria, Yemen - throughout the middle east and northern Africa. There are Ethiopian Jews and other African Jews. The narrative is bubkis.
I would guess that he is sorry for his view on BDS back then. He should have realized that it's the only way for change. That the world would see israel as an aparteid state, and isolate it culturally. And then slowly would come change as in S A. (not that israel would suffer do much economically, because of US and western support)
success takes time give it time bound to have some fails along the way no reason to give up all the more reason to keep trying have a nice day and remember B.D.S. israel !!!!! 😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚
The question is not wether or not BDS will successed which by the way won't happened.... The question is wether or not BDS help Palestinians? Spoiler alert no... The BDS doesn't ban Israeli products, wether or not it will be banned Israel will be successful they have protects that the world, including the BDS will never be able to give up, if you want to give up on Israelis products, how about you ban your smartphone and computers? No, the products BDS is banning is affecting the Palestinians econmics to the worse forcing Palestinians in the west bank to severe poverty and jobless.... Also, how about helping the Palestinians that are being slaygrhered by Syria or Iran? Two countries that seems to be the leaderships of the BDS? But wait Israel is helping those Palestinians, ohhh.... guess they aren't "good" Palestinians.... The BDS doesn't give a shit about Palestinians they only care for themselves, money and destroying Israel
Just like Obama said , and i quote " The Arc of Justice is Long but Sure Super Jew Henry Kissinger even said , and again i quote, " Isreal Cannot Last another 20 Years " that was about 20 years ago so .....................????????
@@partydave1067 and if B.D.S. doesnt work , because i think we should , and again i quote, "GIVE PEACE A CHANCE" , Then you better learn Arabic because then ???? " ALMASIMIR ALKHADIMA ALHNAYIYAT" Again THATS A QUOTE LOOK IT UP TROLL
@@SuperErikRoss Believe as you wish, the truth isn't based on popularity.... No matter how much you chant or how many there are who do chant, the truth cannot be changed: Much like 99% of humanity used to believe the earth is flat, and now it's proven to be round, the same goes in this conflict.... I know the truth and I massage it, that is all there is to it.... You want to ban Israeli products fine, ban your smartphone and PC.... You want to selectively ban Israeli products then congrats you increase the poverty within the Palestinian populotion making more and more of them losing their jobs.... If you want to help Palestinians how about those in Syria or Iran? Heck Hamas is slaugthering the Palwstinians more then Israelis.... The 4000 Palestinians? They were human shield.... How about the thousents of Israeli (not neccesserly Jews) that Hamas have killed or aimed to kill? You want to help Palestinians? How about you move into Gaza and be slaugthered by Hamas, use yourself as shield instead of Palestinians.... Or how about joining the IDF. they actually saved more Palestinians then any country in the middle east....
A complete and utter waste of time. He does not want to be held accountable to God or, any world courts of authority for better living. The outcome of that thinking had harmed lives on Earth through the past seventy years.
Wow and there's only like 40 people there? I would have paid money to be there!
The comments are so weird. BDS is not a radical group. It’s a consumer based solution, what could be more milk toast and liberal? How could finkelstein’s issues with them be a symptom of centrism or moderate-ness?
Which consumer can impose 'sanctions' on a state?
Respect to this man!!!
Time to ramp up BDS now
Is this a (slightly) more moderate, more pragmatic version of Finkelstein or was he always like this?
J MG I think he has become significantly more moderate.
@@BlackLabelSlushie I don't think he's changed at all. Notice how he specifically says how BDS is behaving NOW. His positions is that BDS is not nearly enough and people should not presume that BDS is the end all be all to Palestinian liberation.
No. He's calmed down a lot and opened his eyes
Radiohead is playing in Tel Aviv next month, and Intel bought MobilEye for 15 billion dollars. Doesn't look like the BDS is getting much success
Israel’s economy is about 80% of Iran’s, with 1/10th the population and NO OIL.
give it time my friend give it time It's better for everybody including most of all yous jews especially those who live in Palestine
Slowly but surely you are losing no more old lady in the soopreme court no more moshi'ach in the present dental office And the #MovementIDontKnowHowManyOfYouHasGoneDownNowFromThat Weinstein,Epstein, ??????????
yup yer goin down
Erik Ross how's the klan rally going?
Fios bendiga a Filkenstein...por siempre buscar la justicia para el
pueblo Palestino denunciando a los criminales sionistas ocupantes
BDS along with Palestinian resistance and non stop international pressure will make a difference. By the grace of God
refugees status is not a title to be passed from generation to generation. once we apply the same definition to all the people claiming to be a refugee, we can agree on the return conformations.
1948 the arabs kicked all jews out of their lands and stole their property, about 600,000 jews. There are no Jewish refugees. Meanwhile not 1 arab state takes in any palestinian refugees except the country they are supposed to rule, Jordan, which anyways is historically Israel. BDS is just a hate movement to destroy Israel, it has nothing to do with peace or helping refugees or the poor. The PLO leaders get rich off the war and pocket billions from UNRWA while arabs suffer under Hamas and tribalism. In short, when the arab nations have an ounce of respect for their own people and stop perpetuating war, there will be peace. So long as people call to destroy Israel, which is exactly what BDS calls for, there will be war.
@@retrain35yo87 lies. Boycott Israel
@@rosemichelon103 you boycott truth, because everything i said was fact.
Hasbarbara spotted
@@retrain35yo87 you are pro ethnic cleansing
Monster
I am deeply sorry to hear after all of that struggle, Norman calls himself an atheist. I cannot digest this.
Why's that?? It's a perfectly rational position to hold.
@@stevestop10it’s not😂
Surprised all of that struggle dsnt turn more Palestinians atheist. But then again, I guess the situation is so bad onr couldnt rlly deal with it all without religion...
@spointz8936 Still they must think why has God done us dirty like this? Us being his chosen people living in the holiest place on Earth?
Israel’s economy is about 80% of Iran’s, with 1/10th the population and NO OIL.
Israel is not facing any sanctions unlike Iran which is imposed financial and other sanctions by U.S.A. Israel receives a lot of money from U.S government each year.
Iran brought those sanctions on herself by constantly threatenning very powerfull countries with violence and terror , and by destabilising the entire middle east because of its own grandeur delusions. Iran will be tought a lesson.
@@oklol7555 I sincerely doubt they ask for any of this I think the instigators are obvious
@@oklol7555 Let me make it clear I don't think Iran asked for any of this And it's high time to stop portraying them as the evil villains that they are not.That worked with the Germans and the Nazi's a 100 years ago it's not gonna work anymore you gotta come up with a new story
@@oklol7555 either you're really simple like a child or you think everybody is simple like a child like you. Good and bad in real life are not so simple read a news paper from a 100 years ago perhaps it would help your perspective
They felt sorry for Gulag prisoners in Siberia, so they relocated them to a warm location. So now we have Gulag Gaza.
This is nonsense. There isn't even a P sound in Arabic. The word Palestinian comes from the Hebrew, not Arabic and from the Torah no less. Find me one source otherwise! The root of Palestinian in Hebrew is Polesh, 'Invader'.الغازي in Arabic, and they were from Greece millenia before Mohammad.
The contested region, from Gaza to the East bank of Jordan, was Judea and renamed Palestine by Roman emperor Hadrian after Tiberius destroyed and scattered the Jews from Judea. Jesus was a Jewish rabbi around that time, and his disciple 'Judas' is a testament to Judea, a common name in Judaism. Josephus Flavius wrote about it. Augustine wrote about it. All of history and genetic testing attests to the fact that Jews are from Judea, and that modern Jews are from historic Semetic people. Even the Koran attests that Israel is the people of the bible. So the 'Ashkenazi' story does not hold up not even a little. Ashkenazi Jews were exiled to Italy, then moved north to the German region, before being dispersed to Russia/Poland and Eastern Europe. Regardless, there were 600,000 Sephardic Jews who were in Morocco, Iraq, Algeria, Yemen - throughout the middle east and northern Africa. There are Ethiopian Jews and other African Jews. The narrative is bubkis.
@@retrain35yo87 none of what you said which could be true has anything to do with what Sykes said.
I would guess that he is sorry for his view on BDS back then. He should have realized that it's the only way for change. That the world would see israel as an aparteid state, and isolate it culturally. And then slowly would come change as in S A. (not that israel would suffer do much economically, because of US and western support)
Why is this at a Philosophy Society? How is this philosophy?
Are you dreaming! What are you watching.
Return to its borders???In 1967 there was no Palestinian state???It was part of Jordan!!
You really denying the right of return to people over the name of the territory?
success takes time give it time bound to have some fails along the way no reason to give up all the more reason to keep trying have a nice day and remember B.D.S. israel !!!!! 😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚
The question is not wether or not BDS will successed which by the way won't happened....
The question is wether or not BDS help Palestinians?
Spoiler alert no...
The BDS doesn't ban Israeli products, wether or not it will be banned Israel will be successful they have protects that the world, including the BDS will never be able to give up, if you want to give up on Israelis products, how about you ban your smartphone and computers?
No, the products BDS is banning is affecting the Palestinians econmics to the worse forcing Palestinians in the west bank to severe poverty and jobless....
Also, how about helping the Palestinians that are being slaygrhered by Syria or Iran?
Two countries that seems to be the leaderships of the BDS?
But wait Israel is helping those Palestinians, ohhh.... guess they aren't "good" Palestinians....
The BDS doesn't give a shit about Palestinians they only care for themselves, money and destroying Israel
@@partydave1067 ahh nice try the question is are you a mossad troll or not ?????????????
Just like Obama said , and i quote " The Arc of Justice is Long but Sure Super Jew Henry Kissinger even said , and again i quote, " Isreal Cannot Last another 20 Years " that was about 20 years ago so .....................????????
@@partydave1067 and if B.D.S. doesnt work , because i think we should , and again i quote, "GIVE PEACE A CHANCE" , Then you better learn Arabic because then ???? " ALMASIMIR ALKHADIMA ALHNAYIYAT" Again THATS A QUOTE LOOK IT UP TROLL
@@SuperErikRoss Believe as you wish, the truth isn't based on popularity....
No matter how much you chant or how many there are who do chant, the truth cannot be changed:
Much like 99% of humanity used to believe the earth is flat, and now it's proven to be round, the same goes in this conflict....
I know the truth and I massage it, that is all there is to it....
You want to ban Israeli products fine, ban your smartphone and PC....
You want to selectively ban Israeli products then congrats you increase the poverty within the Palestinian populotion making more and more of them losing their jobs....
If you want to help Palestinians how about those in Syria or Iran?
Heck Hamas is slaugthering the Palwstinians more then Israelis....
The 4000 Palestinians?
They were human shield....
How about the thousents of Israeli (not neccesserly Jews) that Hamas have killed or aimed to kill?
You want to help Palestinians? How about you move into Gaza and be slaugthered by Hamas, use yourself as shield instead of Palestinians....
Or how about joining the IDF.
they actually saved more Palestinians then any country in the middle east....
#BDS
Your getting soft Finky
A complete and utter waste of time. He does not want to be held accountable to God or, any world courts of authority for better living. The outcome of that thinking had harmed lives on Earth through the past seventy years.
Norman was always an undercover agent
I knew it! He worked with the 9/11 truthers