Fender-Made WHITE AMP | Service and Repair
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- Опубликовано: 27 ноя 2024
- This is a very special amp, made by Fender in the 1950's. Watch me update the amp with a basic service and a few small repairs. Thanks for tuning in :)
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There's something about watching people doing amp repair that I find very calming.
ASMR
It's her voice that's also very calming!
Her, because she’s enjoying what she is doing. Not complaining every 10 seconds like other repair people/channels
@@timpit164 Haha! I wonder who you mean? 🧐 I watched hours of that guy, but dropped when he started trying to feud with Beato (for views), then went all political. I come here to get away from all that.
Her sweet voice alone can fix any amp 🥰
I was an electrical technician in the military for 22 years. You are regularly teaching me things about amp circuits. I wish you decades of success and growth.
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Colleen, your 3-wire installation approach is spot on. The only improvement you can make is when sizing the three conductors coming out of the AC supply cable. It adds a margin of safety to strip about 8" of cable jacket, and then shorten the hot and neutral wires to 4" long. This creates 4" of extra length of ground wire in the chassis. The reason for this is if the AC cable is somehow yanked hard, the hot and neutrals will break before the ground does. This can prevent the chassis from becoming live at mains voltage. I've been told that it's 'extra work' to do this, but any little increase in user safety is good.
I've heard of this too!
Really clean sound, no hum, no crackle.
Nice to see a young person full of enthusiasm and knowledge of these old amps. Nice relaxed presentation style too. Keep it up 👍🏻😎
you have such a nice calming soothing voice ......................music to the ears!!!
Sorta hard to be stressed out hearing her thoughts on approach, and her work. It’s like high voltage yoga.
I don't work on guitar amps, but you did the 120V AC wiring correctly. That's the safest way to wire it.
I too have a '56 White that I found in a pawn shop in the early ' 90s for $17. It had a hang tag that said 'As is'. I turned it around and noticed that the power tube was just rolling around in the bottom of the cabinet. Anyway, I bought it, got it home, plugged the tube in, and VOILA, it sounded great! I still play it to this day. I love your videos, how they're so informative, and how you don't cut any corners. Nice work, and please keep making them!
Well done! I do agree that a full replacement of all capacitors are in order for a unit of that age. That being said, I highly commend you for communicating with the owner; and fulfilling his wishes. It really demonstrates your integrity as a tech. I look forward to your next episode with great eagerness.
Hi Colleen. I’m an electrical engineer from London and your 100% correct the way you have connected the mains lead in this video. There is fantastic content is your videos and I thoroughly enjoy watching your repairs.
Been doing repairs for 18 years and I have seen a lot of things in my time. It takes a certain type of person and mindset to do this type of thing and you definitely have what it takes. Great videos keep em coming!
Hi,
So happy to see a young person with knowledge to repair, and restore vintage valve equipment.
All strength to ya elbow gal!
The man from Sheffield
Hi
Your videos are so fun to watch, it takes me back to when I was studying audio engineering building preamps I forgot how fulfilling doing repair/build work could be. Thanks can’t wait to see more!
Speaking of capacitors an FYI from several generations back...
My father was in electronics in the 50's and he always told me if a device has not been switched on in a long period, it is best to "set" a charge on the electrolytic capacitors by rapidly switching the power on and off once and then letting the charge form in the capacitor overnight. This allows the chemical make-up in the capacitor to slowly set up and this will lengthen the life of the capacitor vs loading it up and having the electrolyte under constant voltage as the charge forms inside the capacitor. This can cause leaks or other problems with "wet" capacitors. It's that electrolytic charge that remains in the capacitor after power is turned off. Over time it dissipates and the physical make-up of the electrolyte inside the can changes over time.
Absolutely love your Vlog. My dad would be a huge fan were he here...
Same here for a 3 wire cord ... Also I have done your method of back twisting stranded wires onto each other for over 35 years now ....... My mentor Eustice Faulk showed me that back in 1980 or so .... I got my first tube scope from him back 1991 or so .....Keep up the great work ....
I have one of these that I got back several decades ago and I love it . Replaced one 8 uf filter cap ! That is all it has ever needed ! As far as the power cord , I put my toe in water , see which way plugged in I get a sizzle by touching the chassis ( with my bare toe in grounded water ) and mark the polarity with a sharpie . Then I always plug it in with the neutral and hot in the polarity that did not get the sizzle . I should just break down and put a three prong plug in it ( Some day ) !!! It sounds fantastic to be sure!
Only since you asked.. the proper way is to wire to the switch first, then to the fuse. The reason for this is if someone grabs the fuse without the amp being unplugged the fuse is still live. This way, with the power switch off, there is no power to the fuse for sure. That's how it was explained to me
PS. Love how you show the actual soldering repairs!..For some reason I can watch someone solder all day. I guess that's why I like amp building so much, it's relaxing.. :)
Agreed
Never replace a fuse in a plugged in device. Never.
Explaining the how and why/theory is really helpful and cool.
Agreed. I especially like the drawn diagrams. I didn't really understand how a chorus pedal worked until recently when a buddy drew me a picture on a napkin showing the signal entering the pedal as one wave, splitting into two waves, one dry and one modulated and then exiting the pedal as a combination of the two waves. I guess I'm a visual learner.
THANK YOU so much for not blindly re-capping everything. It is so unnecessary.
One of my guilty pleasures watching Fazio Electric Lady's latest RUclips videos, I know I shouldn't but I can't help myself! Watching smoking solder in the morning with my coffee just jumps starts my day.
At 4:30, the "death cap" does not need to completely short-circuit in order to put dangerous voltage on the chassis ---- they are often sufficiently "leaky" electrically to energize the chassis and shock you if one hand is on the guitar strings and the other touches a grounded object (or if you are standing barefoot on a concrete slab ---- pure danger! Even damp slippers can conduct to concrete; I found this out the hard way as a kid). I often plug newly acquired amplifiers into a ground fault circuit interrupter (GFCI) wall outlet of the type usually found in modern kitchens and bathrooms, and if the death cap is bad it will probably trip the breaker built into the outlet. Always best to add a grounded power cord and remove that capacitor; if somebody insists on keeping that circuit as original as possible, then at the very least one should convert to a polarized AC plug and ensure that the death cap is connected from the neutral line of the power cord to the chassis and not from the hot to the chassis. "Ground polarity" switching should ideally be bypassed, but if the customer insist on keeping it active then the death cap should be replaced with a modern "XY" safety capacitor, which are typically rated for a 1000 volts or more.
I use the same grounding scheme when doing the u-ground plug mod to vintage amps. When building an amp, I use a dedicated screw terminal that I like to solder to the chassis as well. And I'll admit that I'd never heard of White amplifiers until today. Cool project!
Nice fix. The input jacks with those shorting tabs can be a source of noise that can drive you crazy and yet be the last place one might look for the problem. The director of EE here were work brought in a Modern boutique tweed that was generating occasional noise (ha, much like the noise when you removed the jack and flexed the jack tip connector). We were looking everywhere for that noise, substituting tubes, flexing wires, re-flowing solder joints and then an old amp tech here pointed us to the shorting jack. A little flexing of it fixed the noise. It just needed a little more tension onto the jack tip connector. Very good show! Thanks.
Neat piece! Because you asked and there aren't a lot of us that have weighed in yet: both of the 5F1 circuits I built do exactly what you said with their three-prong wiring. Ground to a transformer bolt, live to the fuse, then to the switch, then to the primary, neutral to the other side of the primary. I've always kind of assumed it matters less for AC circuits than for DC circuits, but it's a painless habit to be in, and I'd guess it's probably how modern standards bodies recommend or require anyway.
Hey thanks so much for the shout out Colleen. You are the COOLEST! I just sold my White amp, i miss it already.
Wow !- finally a girl doing one of my favourite activities! Repairing electronic equipment - especially really old one - is one of the most satisfying activities for me. You are doing this very professionally and thoughtful - gratulations!
Where were you 35 years ago when I had a Gibson GA 300 that needed to be rebuilt.Thanks for letting us hang out, Keep up the great work..😁😁
Thank you for explaining what the death cap is. I see people talking about it but never have said why they call it that
Now I need to check my old Gibson amp to make sure it doesn’t have one!
What was the original purpose of putting this cap in??? Why is it no big deal to remove it? Thanks
@@altadena57 I think you have to do it when you have a 2 prong cable because it prevents you from getting shocked but the problem is if it decays, you can. No need with grounded three prong plug.
@@TK-fk4po Ahhh; now I get it; Thanks much
@@TK-fk4po Thanks for that explanation.
OMG - I knew a guy here in Britain who would fly to America, buy an old car and drive across the states. He visited Chess studios and this old black guy sat outside loved his knowledge of music so took him to a garage and gave him some stuff. He had a 'White' amp that at the motel took half an hour to come on (as a valve electronics guy myself my head was screaming "NO!" when I heard this) but he said it crackled to life and had *THE* Chess tone he'd heard on his records since childhood.
Chess records is an national treasure
So happy to see someone that makes a mechanical connection before soldering and doesn't blow on it to cool down faster.
Your mains circuit of fuse, then switch, in that order, is spot on. As for the filter capacitors, there is nothing indicating that failure is imminent. A watchful eye and periodic testing will tell the owner when they need to be replaced. I agree with leaving the originals installed.
Colleen, you absolutely rock! You have a beautiful way of thoroughly explaining what you are doing and why? Your God given, soothing timbred vox is also a big plus. Love your 'less is more,' & 'if it ain't broke, then don't fix' approach. These are TLC units, and there is a balance as to the original parts relationship to one another; All modern parts sound different than the old ones and I just don't get why? But all the way down the line from mics to phono cartridges, you will find that vintage audio equipment, speaks a much better clear and present language. Cheers!😊
Yes I play guitar over 30years and I love tube amps but I watch this channel because I found it soothing :)
Nice lighter action on the heat shrink. When I was a kid I was too broke to get wire strippers so I used my mullers - worked pretty good. I did use a lighter until someone felt bad for my fingers and got me a heat gun. I learned a few things also in 22 years in aerospace engineering designing mechanical devices like fuel flow meters and electronic packaging. I still use a lighter from time to time, but my mullers have all been replaced with crowns and don't work as well. So it goes.
I have done a few builds and lots of repairs. The scariest one was the 1951 Fender (I can't remember the model or schematic number right now). I put 20 microfarad film capacitors in it in place of the electrolytics. I got a great deal on them.
Thank you for the great videos and for what you add to the amp community!
After 30 years of doing all kinds of mods and upgrades I've come to agree fully with you're "leave it alone if possible" philosophy. All kinds of effort to get the "best" sound only ended up with "different" sound really. Having the customer in on the choice is great.
That is so cool! 😎 Never heard of the White amps, but I love my 5F2-A build.
Bravo on NOT replacing caps that don’t need it. If the value is close and it’s not leaking, I think leaving them alone makes sense. Especially for preamp cathode bypass caps.
I appreciate your honesty in regards to the re-cap. At the end of the day, it's the customer's call. Not everything needs to be 100% road ready. It really depends on what they want to do with it and what it means to them. If I went to a guitar amp museum and saw a bunch of chassis's with F&T's in them, I'd be disappointed.
Wow nice amp really enjoy your new channel.
In one Uncle Doug episode he took the old filter caps out of the Tweed amp he was working on, took the paper covers off of the filter caps, and put the new filter caps inside the old filter cap housings using a wooden dowel glued to each end with a hole in it for the wire to go through, making sure of course that the positive and negative was going through the correct side. Thereby changing the filter caps and making the amp appear as if it had never been worked on.
I build just about everything I use regularly in my life. Old cars, computers, guitars, tools... I just get a major buzz out of it all but I haven't gotten around to building amps or pedals yet for some reason and they're kinda how I make my living! Stumbling on your channel has been really educating and is really making me want to finally scratch the itch!!! Thanks for the great videos! :)
I like the way you install the 3 wire power cord. I think that's the ultimately safest way to install. Thanks for the video!
If there was an Emmy for square shootin' righteous content uncle Doug and Colleen would have to share the honors, therapeutically well done.
Pleasure for the mind,the ears and the eyes.
What more could I ask?
Thanks a lot.
I’m so glad you value your customer’s opinions and let them make informed decisions. I was burned twice by a reputable technician (in the days before Yelp) because he was stubborn. The first instance he overcharged me, and the second, he decided to “hot rod” my amp and offered to buy it from me at the same cost as my service. 🤬
I never do anything my customers don’t approve first. Thank You for sharing your wisdom - and your ethics.
Excellent video, Colleen, featuring an amp that I have heard of but never personally encountered. To greatly reduce the risk of damage due to retention of the original filter caps, the owner might want to use a current limiter while playing it. Current reduction would be negligible and the slight voltage reduction might actually be helpful. Thanks for posting :)
Thank you Uncle Doug! I always love hearing your feedback. Happy holidays ♥️
My pleasure, Colleen. Merry Christmas to you all :)@@FazioElectric
Channeling your "inner Uncle Doug" with the notepad! I like how you've modernized the approach with a pen instead of pencil!
Ezra, with a pencil, if you're wrong, you can correct the error.....and then deny it ;)
I just found your channel a few days ago and i love it!!!!
The way you rewired the fuse make sense. Thank you!!!
Yes, going to the fuse first is most definitely the best way to do it which protects the amp and the user.
Regarding service /repairs on amp's..I'm an electronics tech of 30yrs in the trade and for peace of mind not only for the amp, but for it to be stable and long lasting change all capacitors and any parts ie rusty/noisy pots, jack input and give the client the old parts to keep.. it's good to see new techs doing doing this trade. Regarding fitting 3 core mains lead yes, I use grommet support to hold the cable in place. Aye it sounds sweet when it's done.. Nice work.
Thanks Colleen, I appreciate your methodical troubleshooting and repair. Good stuff. I'm a retired radar and comms tech and bass player.
I like the way you did the 3 prong. Makes sense. Some people don't like the ground on the PT bolt, but in an amp like this , so rare, I wouldn't want to add a dedicated lug. Nice work!
It's good to watch new techs to this ever growing topic..this is a capacitor. This is a tube...now this could be a Pento or a tridode valve..let's not forget current and voltages that need to be worked out when building or restoring valve amps.
Keep up the learner thumbs up.
This young woman is an incredibly talented electrician!
The camera loves you. I predict a bright future for your channel.
I love these repairs as you explain the logic behind what you do
Thanks from the UK
lots of good information that coming through aside the main project. i like that you make the topic accessible to people who are not wayy into guitars and amps already!
I love How her workplace actually looks like a functional everyday workstation rather than something Out of a catalogue.
Been at this 59 years and never heard of "White" amps. Hopefully, we learn something new every day!
Thanks for explaining about the death cap. Was always a mystery to me.
you must do very good and reliable work to be able to have people trust you with these older amps! Good job!
Wow! Beautiful work and you didn’t even have to remove the chassis. Outstanding!
Great video Colleen. Myself I would have restuffed the filter caps as uncle Doug does on historic amps. As you know caps have a lifespan whether they are used or new in the box. I just bought a big box of new old stock parts with about ten beautiful Sprague 3 value can caps. More then 50% tested leaky on two of my high voltage testers, an old Heathkit C2 with neon bulb and a Sprague telohmike T04. I’m sure they will reform bringing them up slowly over time to full working voltage. To me it is not worth risking transformers when you can make it look cosmetically original. If the customer is going to play regular, it would be the way to go, if they just want a museum piece you can get away with what you’re doing. The 58 year old Brownface Bassman I just did all the filter caps were puking electrolyte but tested ok. The owner wanted a reliable gigging amp so he wanted any failure point replaced. Guess it depends on the scenario of usage. Great methodical work as always. Mike
Newbie here, So are you saying that the death cap prevents damage to the transformer?
The great Italian amp making tradition!
Grande Colleen!
Un abbraccio da Roma!
Just discovered your channel this week and I really appreciate what you bring to the table. Thank you so much for making easy to follow videos that also explain your repairs. As an amp enthusiast and beginning builder, having a video that explains amp circuitry is much easy to follow vs my amp repair book. Thank you and keep up the great work!
The safest way is always the best choice. Good job!
Nice work! I really like how in these more recent videos you take a bit more time explaining things like the death cap and drawing up examples. Especially since you now have a bigger audience of people who may not know these things already. Me included haha.
Keep up the great work, excited to see more videos!
I'm on a journey learning about how amps work. Your videos are perfect for me. Your presentation style is also excellent. Cheers!
I have just found your channel, very interesting and well presented and with your recommendation I’ve also started to watch Uncle Doug. A nice job on the white amp, I agree with the way you went about the repair, keeping it as original as possible. The way you replaced the power lead makes sense to me and that’s how I think it should be done, great work keep posting.
I am praying for those Triad transformers as I type.
It seems the customer knows what can happen if those 60+ year old caps gives up the ghost.
I agree with the way you install a three prong line cord. I disable the accessory jack on the Black and Silverface amps too. The polarity switch makes a great terminal for the neutral side power transformer connection if you only use 1 of the 3 lugs.
Thanks for sharing this awesome little amp with us! I’m building a Deluxe Reverb right now.
Love your peaceful voice & steady hand. You have a bright future ahead!
🙌🙌 on fusing the hot wire! Only difference on when I ground the 3 prong cord is that I give it it’s own grounding spot/screw/leg termination.
Beautiful! The amp is pretty to! Ha ha! You prove beauty can have brains! These amps are a good example of how Leo saved money to keep the price down. He lived through the Great Depression and every $ meant something. This service hopefully will last a long time. If the customer does bring it back, you could disguise those power supply caps by putting the new ones inside the old ones with insulation between the inner new cap and the paper old shell. Just something I saw someone do to preserve the look of the amp. Love from NW Colorado. Thanxz
That is absolutely the correct technical way to install a 3-prong wire power cord. In any event the hot should always go through the fuse
Love watching you explain and diagnose all kinds of guitar amps and hearing you play your guitar. You're awesome.....and fine too 🧡
Hi.
Super thankful for the RUclips algorithm putting this in my suggested videos. Very cool to see such a unique amp. Now I'm watching your other videos and I appreciate you sharing your skills and knowledge.
Add one more to your list of subscribers and thank you for doing these videos. 😊
Same!!
Your videos are excellent! when I want to keep the "original" look of an old tube radio, I empty the old caps and put the new ones in the tubes of the old ones...I know it's cheating...but I like it! Bravo!!
I don't see what the controversy is. It's all about the best way to protect the transformer. Great job. and thanks for the video
Cool amp. You asked about how others ground the chassis. I ground them with a dedicated small chair lug as close to the entry point of the power cord as possible. I no longer use transformer screws for a ground point because the weight and years of vibration of the PT will occasionally loosen a nut. Personal preference.
Exactly this! That’s how the folks at the TDPRI forum do it.
I completely agree with the way you installed to power cord. That's how I do it too. I also totally get the owner wanting to preserve the originality of a rare vintage piece of history. Keep up the good work, I'm really enjoying your channel! ❤😍
(I really need to start making videos of my repairs)
Neat, never heard of this amp before now. Way cool. I like that you’re keeping as many original parts as possible. It sounds really good too.
SO So So nice to see a BEAUTIFUL young lady fixing amps instead of the crotchety old men that usually do. Thanks for your videos!!, A plus is that cool smooth voice you have too!!! AWESOME!!
Nice to see someone doing soldering correctly, melting it onto the joint rather than carrying it on the iron.
Your presentation is detailed and informative. The amplifier (white) has an interesting story. 🎸🤘👍
good call on the cord rewire. All the light switches in my house are after the fuse box (circuit box). Works well there.
I do the same but use a high wattage iron to solder the ground wire to chassis when possible - I think the white line was envisioned as an alternative for non fender dealers where a fender deaer was in town already -- like epiphone and gibson -- but it never went as far -- and yes a tribute to forrest from leo ...
It's so satisfying just watching you soldering and desoldering.
Great greeting from Japan!
It’s great to see younger people such as yourself delving into things such as this. I’m much older and only began learning it about a year or so ago, with a long way to go. Wish I would’ve started years ago. And understood more. But saying that, every time I see you use a lighter for the heat shrink I want to buy you a heat gun. Haha Sure, lighters work, but the heat gun works so much better. But seriously, keep up the great work. I know that Uncle Doug is proud!
Came here on a recommendation from Brad the Guitologist.
Seems that you're doing good work here, so I've subscribed ...
You do nice work! The chassis looks identical to my Princeton ('56) that I've had since 1988. I've rehabbed it completely and I'll never part with it.
They way you've done this job, it looks like you could change it all back to totally stock original if some collector fanatic wanted to buy it for insane money and put it in a museum. I hope you saved all the old parts and 2 prong cord.
My own personal goal is always to have a great sounding, reliable amp. But some people are nuts about that other stuff.
Very nicely done!
Amazing channel, love watching your videos. Please keep up the great work.
New 'subscriber' here.....nice job. Glad to see young people doing this type of work as us 'oldies' are getting rare working on our electronics.
Thank you Colleen once again!!!
Always so much info in your repair videos!
I learn every time I watch your channel!
Thanks for the excellent explanation theory wise on how you solder in the 3 prong power chord with the fuse ultimately providing protection if the switch was to short out and fail.
I really appreciate your Channel Colleen!
I really dig your playing at the end as well! Regae/ blues/ Rory!
Bob
I like the sound of that old speaker. Thanks for all the videos.
My rule of thumb on any electronic device amp or otherwise is "fuse first" for the hot (Black) power cord wire. And I would also ALWAYS remove the original 2 wire power cord and replace it with a modern 3 wire power cord and run the ground (green) wire to the chassis. This green ground wire is there so that if any hot wire comes in contact the chassis and there is a short to ground the current within that short will go to the green wire down the power cord and all the way back to the main house panel and trip the circuit breaker at the main panel shutting off all power to the amp and the entire house circuit to the plug that the amp is plugged into. Think about a circumstance where the hot wire comes off the fuse holder and touches the chassis. The fuse won't blow and the chassis is now hot. Without that green ground wire to shut the whole amp down at the circuit breaker you could still get shocked or killed by the high voltage on the chassis. If you don't understand the above info and you don't understand how to protect yourself from high voltage shocks when wiring any electronic device that plugs in to the mains then I would strongly recommend you not work on your own amp or someone else's and take up another hobby.
I see your logic in how you wire the three wire cord but the problem I see is you have a hot fuse all the time and there is a risk of someone getting shock when replacing a fuse and also they may blow the fuse when installing the new one with power switch on when they bounce the fuse trying to tighten the fuse socket. But you are doing a great job enjoy your videos great new find. THANKS !
Uncle Doug , Brad and me love your channel ... 3 of the best endorsers ever ... Lol ... Great vid ... Love seeing actual soldering ...
It can often be bad changing the original filter capacitors unless they are on their way out. New capacitors don't hold up as well with life span, averaging around 5-10 years. Old ones are just higher quality. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Good work!
Just an informative educational channel. Love all the history that is shared.
I made guitars but fascinated by amps. You are doing a great job. So nice to see young people getting into this. D#
Great approach... My son had a 1956 Tremolux....that was so unreliable, needed to be 1/ Set on a shelf as a display so he could say “Yep, I have a ‘65 Tremolux”...2/ The amp sounds so good when it works, I need to restore it to working condition. To own an amp that does not work is like having a ‘57 Chevy that doesn’t run, sits in the garage and collects dust. To restore something doesn’t always mean replace everything.... Three prong as you do it... always a new lug attached to the chassis for the ground.