1942 Ducati Radiogram Repair (Part 1)

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  • Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2024

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  • @gminker
    @gminker Год назад +14

    Hello Mark, Those little twisted wires as you surmised are under 10pf and were used extensively in early radio and early TV chassis to peak IF tank circuits. The twisties were called gimmicks. Cheers

  • @projectartichoke
    @projectartichoke Год назад +3

    I believe the old-timers called those wound capacitors 'gimmicks'.

  • @butcharmstrong9645
    @butcharmstrong9645 Год назад +8

    WOW something older than me! I just turned 70 December of 2022 so this Ducati is a decade older than I am! And I'm sure it works better than me too lol

  • @wrusty3767
    @wrusty3767 Год назад +7

    Also, I was taught during my apprenticeship in the '60s not to solder the wire straight onto the valve lug, but to loop it around after pushing it through and squeezing it with pliers. This gave it mechanical strength and helped avoid dry solder joints. It also looked way better.

  • @renowden2010
    @renowden2010 Год назад +6

    Great to see you working on something twice your age.

  • @diabolicalartificer
    @diabolicalartificer Год назад +4

    The twisted wires are there to tune or tweak the circuit. You find them in Telequipment scopes amongst others. It's a genuine technique, not a bodge. I'd have replaced the wire going to the top cap, the insulation was damaged, still, we all do things different.

  • @AdamF1972
    @AdamF1972 Год назад +15

    You would be an excellent teacher Mark. I have no skill in your area but you make it look so easy and furthermore...interesting! You should think about doing online workshops for future electronics repairers. People would sign up in droves I'm sure!

    • @MorriSoft
      @MorriSoft 11 месяцев назад

      Absolutely agree. Fantastic content, very informative with none of the waffle that some channels have. Brilliant work, I hope we have lots more content to come from Mark, great technician.

  • @DytliefMoller
    @DytliefMoller 4 месяца назад

    nice to see vintage getting some love. As an 80 baby im very curious for these old components, genius!

  • @AustinDeshaies
    @AustinDeshaies 4 месяца назад

    One of my first jobs was to work on jukeboxes replacing 15 inch speakers with the new permanent magnet ones.
    I remember this so well because speakers weigh nothing compared to jukeboxes after the second pickup to replace the speaker at the shop I took one of the old speakers made a template out of 3/4 inch plywood to back set the speaker to allow for incursion with the new ones. This allowed us to stock,repair,replace bulbs in one trip each day doing at least 3 calls per day in one round trip. Wynford sound Scarborough Ontario gave me a bonus and started a creative incentive policy.

  • @darkstatehk
    @darkstatehk Год назад +7

    Loved this! I recently re-capped a 1950s Grundig reel to reel using polypropylene caps and it sounded and worked great afterwards. Kinda fun working on old equipment that don’t have PCBs. I also had to map out which caps went where since they were not labelled either.

  • @MattTester
    @MattTester Год назад +2

    Fascinating to see the electronics and Mr. Blobby would've been proud of that soldering.

  • @jenskohler3855
    @jenskohler3855 Год назад +2

    Very impressive craftmanship, knowledge, patience and attention to detail. Thumbs up!

  • @davidvivian596
    @davidvivian596 Месяц назад

    Hi Mark, I've just been reading some of the comments further down, and it's clear that some of your audience are very knowledgeable too. Me? I don't know a thing about electrics or electronics, but I find your videos compelling to watch nonetheless. Thank you.

  • @robinsutcliffe_video_art
    @robinsutcliffe_video_art 3 месяца назад +1

    On the modern poly caps, there is an outside foil end, which is not marked, though can be tested. Whilst it is not polarised - the noise floor can significantly increase if the outside foil end is connected incorrectly. The older caps are marked for the outside foil end, you can see the bands around one end - 13:20

  • @LZDEN
    @LZDEN Год назад +7

    top work Mark,looking forward to part 2.

  • @stevecagle550
    @stevecagle550 Год назад +2

    What a mess... Good job... Makes me think about old TV repair days.

  • @precbass
    @precbass Год назад +4

    Very interesting Mark.Looking forward to the next one.👍

  • @MichaelJantzen42
    @MichaelJantzen42 Год назад +1

    The days before circuit boards and even ceramic strips - scary stuff.

  • @kevinisaac9139
    @kevinisaac9139 Год назад

    brings back memories at my grand dads workshop on my School holidays helping him repair tbs and radios got me to use the mallard valve tester he used to buy components and give me a project out of practical wireless good times

  • @gordonwelcher9598
    @gordonwelcher9598 Год назад +2

    The twisted wires are called gimmick capacitors. In this case they have been connected between the two tuned coils in the IF stages. They will increase the coupling between the two tuned circuits. This will increase the sensitivity a bit and also reduce the selectivity. Connected differently they are also used to provide negative feedback to prevent oscillation. Are they added or were they originally installed and shown on the schematic?

  • @paul1153
    @paul1153 Год назад +2

    A great part 1 Mark. Looking forward to part 2.

  • @davidblake6889
    @davidblake6889 Год назад

    What a lovely old piece of kit. I remember an old Ferguson Radiogram from the fifties that my parents bought new that had a similar style. But it had FM as well, and played 33 and 45 records. Used to listen to 'Journey into Space' on it. Wonderful!
    BTW. The reason the old caps you tested were reading 'high', is because they have gone electrically leaky. It effectively puts a resistance in parallel with the capacitor. It means that when the tester charges up the capacitor, it takes longer than it should, so it reads a higher capacitance than the true value. It is just as well you replaced them. If you had left them in, it could have damaged some critical and difficult to replace bits and pieces.

  • @MrMaxeemum
    @MrMaxeemum Год назад +2

    There will be an old man somewhere shouting "I added them to stop oscillation"(I'm only guessing here) There are some old guy tricks to work around maybe some issues with certain valves back in the day. I'm sure we are now losing some of that knowledge of this old technology. I personally would like to attempt a repair on something like this but I could not guarantee a fix. If this came to me I would pass on it, I wouldn't want to ruin such a beautiful device. Looking forward to the speaker repair.

    • @kurthuber7639
      @kurthuber7639 Год назад +1

      Yes like the old Big Iron mainframe computers, everything was tweaked in situ based on the actual hardware quirks, similar to overclocking solid state these days

  • @knifeswitch5973
    @knifeswitch5973 Год назад +8

    You owe me a new keyboard. I spit my coffee at first glance. It's beautiful!

  • @russellforrest1730
    @russellforrest1730 Год назад

    Excellent work, Mark. Don't envy your job on this one. This kind of valve equipment with no PCB is the stuff of nightmares for me. Gives me colds sweats thinking about making the wrong connection and releasing the magic smoke only to find no parts available😲

  • @deepblueskyshine
    @deepblueskyshine Год назад +1

    Insulation tape there was in the 40s and even long before them, but it was textile, not PVC.

  • @andreaswestgaard8073
    @andreaswestgaard8073 Год назад +2

    What a beautiful device! The funny thing is that this can hurt you with ease, just like the motorcycle ⚡

    • @eolobrontolo9117
      @eolobrontolo9117 Год назад

      It comes from the same builder of the motorcycles, from the radio branch. 😊

  • @Timothycan
    @Timothycan Год назад +27

    I think the reason old capacitors seem to increase in capacitance is a consequence of the way the measuring instrument works. If it works by measuring the rate the capacitor charges up, and assumes the longer they take to charge the higher the capacitance, then it seems reasonable that if the component is 'leaky', that is, it lets some DC current through (acting like a resistor) then it will take longer to charge, so a higher than specified capacitance indicates a 'leaky' capacitor.

    • @andygozzo72
      @andygozzo72 Год назад +2

      yep, thats pretty much it, leakage will skew the testing unless you use a lcr bridge which has an adjustment for 'loss'/leakage that can cancel it out, these simple testers like in the video cant handle it 😉 but some capacitance drift isnt an issue, or leakage, depends where they are in the circuit , if in a low impedance/low voltage part such as across a cathode bias resistor, no need to replace (except if electrolytic decoupling audio) , similar if ac af negative feedback network from output secondary to bottom end of volume control

    • @y_x2
      @y_x2 Год назад +1

      Yes you should check the leakage first.

    • @andygozzo72
      @andygozzo72 Год назад

      @@y_x2 and/or try to reform..

    • @andygozzo72
      @andygozzo72 Год назад +1

      should always try to power it up someohow in a controlled manner to make sure no major and possibly unobtainable parts are faulty, before even thinking of recapping, or all that effort and money will be wasted

    • @y_x2
      @y_x2 Год назад +1

      @@andygozzo72 You can only reform electrolytic cap... Wax caps always need to be replaced.

  • @andiabwaerts
    @andiabwaerts Год назад +1

    best channel!

  • @chrissimons9733
    @chrissimons9733 Год назад +1

    Wow that was very impressive and so detailed. Well done.

  • @boriss.861
    @boriss.861 Год назад

    Insulation tape was around in the 1940's but it was made of cloth. Developed from the mid 1920's

  • @johnpawlicki1184
    @johnpawlicki1184 Год назад +5

    In the US those twisted wire capacitors were called gimick capacitors. Common back then.

    • @andygozzo72
      @andygozzo72 Год назад +2

      yep, in some cases its a necessary tweak, and should not be removed, they're usually there for a good reason

  • @jasonturner1045
    @jasonturner1045 16 дней назад

    very cool piece

  • @tordlingvall899
    @tordlingvall899 7 месяцев назад

    You said something wrong in the beginning.Normally top cap of HF tubes like 6A8G is the grid. in this case for HF/Mixer. A critical cap is in the audio section is C2 if it leak bring the output tube 6V6G to go with to high current bring the output transformer to burn. It is not so easy when somebody before you tryed to fix things in this old radios without knowledge.
    Sorry for my bad english (I am a Swedish ) I like your you tube channel . Keep going with the good work!!

  • @seankerrigan1627
    @seankerrigan1627 5 дней назад

    Just found you Mark (with the quite recent 25k pre...'twas fun!) then ,'cause of where my enjoyment lies, went looking for tubes, hopefully to get me motivated to carry on with a , about the same vintage, radio into a guitar amp. I just gut them and start anew. This one though, that I'm doing, had a tube or two spare so I've devised an oscillator, LFO, feeding some of the grids of those weirdo heptode thingies, but with a shared triode grid - and cathode (6k8) and it might even work! Man oh man I'd love that OT and speaker, they're lovely! Though I'd also find a place for the turntable electric motor, might even drive a leslie!
    Oh, good news with the would wires as caps, didn't quite figure that one even though I use the big tuning mechanical caps as treble bypass on volumes so I could do some of those twisties either side to get them more in a suitable range... bit pointless but kinda fun regardless.

  • @rickg8015
    @rickg8015 Год назад +1

    Robert Crumb would love to have that.. Sounds gorgeous too even without a resto-mod..

  • @Waldo_Ilowiecki
    @Waldo_Ilowiecki Год назад +1

    Genius.

  • @ER-qb1nk
    @ER-qb1nk Год назад

    Wow gorgeous radio! Cool mod.

  • @PeterHughes-ne9wz
    @PeterHughes-ne9wz Год назад +1

    Great video, Mark. Always interesting to watch your work...and I know nothing about electronics.

  • @wrusty3767
    @wrusty3767 Год назад

    Yeah, I remember this style of wiring....it's called "birdcage wiring". Used before there were insulated cables (or maybe because is was cheaper!).

  • @jimmyjampantyloons1596
    @jimmyjampantyloons1596 Год назад +4

    Fantastic work as always. Love watching your videos. My OCD is on full-tilt because it looked like a lead you cut @ 23:00 fell in the hole...

  • @cptyler150
    @cptyler150 Год назад

    Fantastic work. I wish they were all moved to a small mb style where all the wires can meet neat in the local soldering

  • @zbaby82
    @zbaby82 Год назад +2

    You make good videos.

  • @graemezimmer604
    @graemezimmer604 7 месяцев назад

    Yeah, the twisted wire cap is called a "gimmick capacitor".
    The I.F. transformer is a classic "Optimum Coupled, Double Tuned" transformer. It is tuned by means of the two slugs and the fixed caps, so that gimmick cap is entirely redundant. You should have deleted it (although maybe the slug was broken, so the previous Tech couldn't adjust it).
    However the little "coil of wire" caps were very commonly used as trimmers and are original..

  • @danhorton6182
    @danhorton6182 Год назад +1

    Hello Mark, nice work as always. I’ve seen a lot of your work and I know that you know what you’re doing, but I can’t for the life of me figure out why you’d even think of keeping those main filters in there. While new 10 uF caps would have been completely fine for the rectifier, they do make and I do have 8.2 uF high voltage electrolytics.
    The reason those measure over 10 even though rated for 8 is because they’re electrically leaky. I just don’t think it’s worth the risk, especially since it seems like this is a commission for a local business where it will be used. Being as old as they are they could short and then you’ll really have to worry about the rectifier or worse the transformer or the business building where it resides. With less than $5 worth of capacitors it would give peace of mind, not to mention new and perfectly functioning filters.

    • @Morinaka25
      @Morinaka25 Год назад

      Yes you are right, old caps that read higher than their rated value on an LCR meter are leaky and should be replaced, it's a false economy to not to. LCR meter does capacitance by seeing how long it takes to charge the cap, and if it's leaky it's going to have more resistance, and will appear to be higher value, it's a shame more people don't realise this.

  • @superbad123
    @superbad123 Год назад +2

    great Mark, would be nice to drink a pint with you but I am not from the UK

  • @TheFreshmanWIT
    @TheFreshmanWIT Год назад +2

    I'm betting based on the age, that grub screw was a 5/64" (a pretty common size). There only a 1/2 of a thousandth of an inch between the two (

  • @RGD-Audio-Repairs
    @RGD-Audio-Repairs Год назад +8

    when people say 3w of power output.. People automatically giggle, and think its not much....
    I once heard a 5w DIY valve amplifier, and it absolutely rattled the walls... i was like :O
    So now, I know there is more to audio systems, than just the output wattage :)

    • @andygozzo72
      @andygozzo72 Год назад +1

      proper watts, not these piddly 3w peak music power things 😉 , as a 'rule of thumb' divide pmpo by 4 to get approx rms watts out so, 3w pmpo woild be 0.75w rms 😁

    • @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy
      @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy Год назад +1

      Depends a lot on the speaker efficiency.

    • @andygozzo72
      @andygozzo72 Год назад

      @@TerryClarkAccordioncrazy certainly can...

  • @fillo1971
    @fillo1971 7 месяцев назад

    Via passo subito alla part 2 ❤

  • @hw4527
    @hw4527 Год назад

    Thank you for posting 👍👍

  • @tomvleh2623
    @tomvleh2623 Год назад

    Hello from slovenia.nice work

  • @Mindsi
    @Mindsi Год назад

    Mr. Carlsons lab, he is the guru of vintage wireless and capacitors turn out to be directional. Try it and see!

  • @andygozzo72
    @andygozzo72 Год назад

    you can still get ducati branded capacitors, our tumble dryer has one for the motor run 😉 had to change it a couple of years ago as it went almost open circuit , common problem with modern over miniaturised caps, too thin metallising film on the plastic dielectric

  • @tonyfavarin6746
    @tonyfavarin6746 Год назад +2

    I see that according to the data tag that it has 5 valves, being Ducati one assumes that they have desmodromic operation!

  • @CXensation
    @CXensation Год назад +2

    Please note that these old caps will develop significant leakage (DC parallel resistance) over time, which may be the reason why the capacitance reads higher.

  • @telboy911
    @telboy911 Год назад +2

    I worked in Electronics for over 40 years. My early career during the 70s was with Rediffusion Television for 13 years (later taken over by Granada Television). My question is; doing all this 'Transformer Winding' and all sorts :-D how do you "make a living" in our modern world!! Maybe you have a full-time job? :-D

    • @MendItMark
      @MendItMark  Год назад +4

      You are quite right. I do have a 9-5 day job (nothing to do with electronics), and I often make more money from the RUclips video, than the repair itself. I do however, enjoy the repairs, and making the videos!

  • @shaunmorrissey7313
    @shaunmorrissey7313 Год назад +3

    Marvellous stuff, I was unaware Ducati made electronics, ironic really, when Italian bikes had a reputation for doggy/poor electrics. (the 851 is still the sexiest bike ever made)

    • @ortzinator
      @ortzinator Год назад

      Yeah they made radios until the Allies blew up their factory, after which they switched to motorcycles.

  • @glumpy6079
    @glumpy6079 Год назад

    Smashing stuff.

  • @adrinathegreat3095
    @adrinathegreat3095 2 месяца назад

    To give some perspective, these cost almost as much as a new small car to buy new back in the early 40s.
    And would last a damn site longer as those old cars back then were needing engine rebuilds after 20,000 miles

  • @stephenyoud6125
    @stephenyoud6125 Год назад

    Brilliant Mark. My go to place for Valve amp repairs and reconditionung ius Uncle Doug's channel. Now for part 2

  • @randyberger4910
    @randyberger4910 Год назад +1

    The twisted wires are called a gimmic.

  • @everTriumph
    @everTriumph Год назад

    Braver man than I...

  • @mikemallano2484
    @mikemallano2484 Год назад

    I've been an electronic hobbyist for years, although I never took it to this guy's level. And, people want me to fix old vacuum tube equipment, on occasion, and I'm like I don't want to get involved in things like this.

  • @silverocity2716
    @silverocity2716 10 месяцев назад

    What I dont understand is if you have the schematic why not rip it all out and put it back nice and proper with all the caps and wires replaced or updated so it looks nice and proper. Unless it is to preserve the way it was originally wired? I would think all the wires and things need to come out...

  • @8000Time
    @8000Time 10 месяцев назад +1

    Super !!!

  • @robertoorsi5771
    @robertoorsi5771 Год назад

    I think this device is before 1942 (probably 1938) because during the WW2 le production was converted in military radio device and in 1943 the factory of the neiborough of Borgo Panigale was bombed by american B17.

  • @highpath4776
    @highpath4776 Год назад +1

    78s are about a £1 a pop in charity shops.

  • @guitar_sir
    @guitar_sir Год назад

    You are on GOD level 🙏

  • @pault4955
    @pault4955 Год назад +4

    I'm surprised that there was any civilian radios being made especially of that quality, considering there was a major war going on.

    • @paulmichaelfreedman8334
      @paulmichaelfreedman8334 Год назад +1

      In 1942, Italy did not experience much of the war, as they were Axis allies.

  • @garysergeant9086
    @garysergeant9086 Год назад +2

    They stopped making electronics when the factory got bombed.the allied operation was called operation pancake

    • @Jonathan_Doe_
      @Jonathan_Doe_ Год назад

      Ducati Energia still exists, they mainly make motor run capacitors.

  • @demofilm
    @demofilm Год назад

    A sticky knob can be a real problem. But you fixed it again . Good job

  • @meistermueller
    @meistermueller Год назад

    2:44 or you can use a DIY kit to build a medium wave Transmitter with a 3.5mm Jack input. There’s a lot on Ali for a few quid
    It just a bit of solderingwork to do

  • @rastaman5105
    @rastaman5105 Год назад

    Ducati radiogram that,s very rare !!

  • @ConfusedGears-yh4sl
    @ConfusedGears-yh4sl 10 месяцев назад

    Mark you dld well to fix this birds nest and sort out this mess nice piece of furniture

  • @ecc84
    @ecc84 Год назад

    Are you going to give us a video on reconing a speaker Mark? I hope so as i have up in my loft a 50watt guitar amp from the 60's that needs reconing and maybe i'll give it a try :-)

  • @James_Bowie
    @James_Bowie Год назад

    Insulation tape was around in the 1940s, but it was cloth tape not plastic.

  • @michaelmacdonald3408
    @michaelmacdonald3408 Год назад

    That first valve with the wire on top is not anode it is control grid. Pin3 and 6 the anodes pin 3 being the main and pin 6 being the oscillator supply.

    • @andygozzo72
      @andygozzo72 Год назад

      yep, most of those octal valves dont have top cap anode , similar with the later 6.3v UX based types

  • @stephenwilliams926
    @stephenwilliams926 Год назад

    Nothing like a rumble of a big V twin lol.

  • @paulm3079
    @paulm3079 5 месяцев назад

    Anode…I think that’s the grid…Nevermind, anode appears right.
    Twisted wire with end cut off = gimmick capacitor…usually a few puffs

  • @howardsimpson489
    @howardsimpson489 Год назад

    Why did a wartime Italian radio use American series valves? Was this before the sanctions were imposed? These tubes all had European octal E (6.3 volt) equivalents.

  • @BigEightiesNewWave
    @BigEightiesNewWave Год назад

    WOW almost Marconi-old. Died: July 20, 1937

  • @kurthuber7639
    @kurthuber7639 Год назад

    3M company engineers invented "modern" vinyl electrical tape just after WWII ended but it wouldn't have looked like that as black became the standard color later (and this radio predates the tape by a few years for sure), and gutta-percha/Chatterton's "tape" would have been around about 100 years earlier but this obviously wasn't that, maybe it had some originally?

  • @ralphalder14
    @ralphalder14 Год назад

    Swinging Shepherd Blues !

    • @verasherwood3140
      @verasherwood3140 11 месяцев назад

      Yeah, I worked with a saxophonist here in Canada who made a lot of money from that song. Hmmmmmm.

  • @mikemmikem2758
    @mikemmikem2758 Год назад

    If it were me I'd have a cabinet craftsmen refinish the cabinet and then put a new expensive turntable in it as part of my home audio setup.

  • @lyntonprescott3412
    @lyntonprescott3412 Год назад

    Ever heard of J hooks, or twisted wire spring connectors?

  • @j.a.dowell8229
    @j.a.dowell8229 Месяц назад

    Hello from the states ! Just recently found your channel and now I’m a sub! I used to tinker with electronics back in my teens and love watching your content. I have a project for you and would love to give you not info on it. It’s an old cb base station. If there is a way to contact you email or other wise let me know! Thanks !

  • @rogermiullercalsinachahui7750
    @rogermiullercalsinachahui7750 Год назад

    saludos desde peru amigo

  • @michaelproust7891
    @michaelproust7891 Год назад

    Could you please explain how a twisted wire can achieve capacitance? The other thing you mentioned in waveform-modulator video, was that there were polarised, as against non polarised capacitors and their position in the power circuit governed whether they needed replacing, could you possibly flesh that out.

    • @LilMissMurder3409
      @LilMissMurder3409 Месяц назад

      A capacitor, in its most simple description, consists two conductors separated by an insulator/dielectric. If you have two bare wires close but not touching, technically you have capacitance because the air gap acts as the insulator. (As an aside, this is how lightning works - you have two conductors, the clouds with their built-up charge, and the earth. The atmosphere in between acts as the insulator. A lightning strike occurs when the breakdown voltage of the system is reached - the voltage becomes high enough for for the resistance of the air to be overcome and current can flow. In an electrical capacitor, when this happens the cap is damaged. But I digress).

  • @paulmichaelfreedman8334
    @paulmichaelfreedman8334 Год назад

    This is not electronics repair, this is wireframe soldering! 🤣

  • @followthetrawler
    @followthetrawler Год назад

    Wow someone butchered that in the past . Did you spot that heat damaged resistor when you were replacing the braided connection that annoyed you?

  • @James_Bowie
    @James_Bowie Год назад

    It appears that Bubba has been at that radio.

  • @ruffrecords
    @ruffrecords Год назад

    I have never seen a soldering iron like the one you use. What make is it? Cheers Ian

  • @busman2000
    @busman2000 11 месяцев назад

    I bet you learned your skills in the Royal Navy..? Not many know about thrapping.

  • @WilliamEllison
    @WilliamEllison Год назад

    Can you print a PCB board for old radios like that?

  • @Spellfork
    @Spellfork 7 месяцев назад

    Who needs a PCB when you can just wire-solder everything like a cheap electric guitar :D

  • @craigr306
    @craigr306 Год назад

    Found 1 ;) just need my brew now

  • @Obsidian369
    @Obsidian369 Месяц назад

    How are you powering the radio with 235 v ?

  • @maciejbijoch2854
    @maciejbijoch2854 Год назад

    Where are you getting the schematics from? 🧐

  • @radioarchives101
    @radioarchives101 5 месяцев назад

    Ahh Bluetooth, little AM transmitter would be better and more fun!

  • @mickyfinn7969
    @mickyfinn7969 7 месяцев назад

    Do you have a battletrak video?