Audiophile Power Regenerator Repair (PS Audio Power Plant 300)

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  • Опубликовано: 10 авг 2022
  • Mark repairs a Power Plant 300 from PS Audio. This AC Regenerator has a blown output, and some dodgy behavior. Still not sure if you can actually hear any difference (I'll leave that debate for the audiophiles to fight over), but the grid electricty waveform is not getting any better.

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  • @AintBigAintClever
    @AintBigAintClever Год назад +59

    Hope you fitted an audiophile-grade relay with ion-infused twisted pair armature leads. That fuse needs to have cost at least fifteen quid, too :)

  • @tomeasterbrook9486
    @tomeasterbrook9486 Год назад +11

    That solder sucker makes such a satisfying “nom nom nom” sound

  • @electronicengineer
    @electronicengineer Год назад +75

    Hello Mark! I just stumbled upon your channel and I instinctively clicked on the subscribe button. Your troubleshooting and subsequent repair of this "smoke and mirrors/snake oil" AC power regenerator (seriously... how silly) was Top Notch. Color me impressed. BTW, Kapton tape used as an insulator is mildly acceptable, depending on the heat transfer coefficient requirement not needing to be moderately fast, however I take issue with this tape having the ability to be in the same league of thermally transmissive mica, Sil-pads, etc. Kapton tape is coated with adhesive on the sticky side (obviously) and the formulation of this glue does not address having any thermally transmissive properties at all. Just because the Kapton tape is a good insulator does not make it a good thermal conductor. In my opinion, using plain old school mica wafers or the newer Sil-pads will provide much faster heat transfer away from the BJTs and the speed at which the heat can be soaked away can be quite critical, when a lot of current passes through the active devices. Just my $0.02 worth of unsolicited concern. Thank you for the video and you did a beautiful job of repairing this "thing". Fred

    • @hoobsgroove
      @hoobsgroove Год назад

      was that relay powerful enough? it didn't look meaty enough.

    • @vicweast
      @vicweast Год назад +2

      I personally have experience with these "things", and know what positive improvements I can demonstrate in terms of noise-reduction and clarity. Have you used one are are you just convinced they are not worth it? If so why, pray tell...

    • @mattparker8747
      @mattparker8747 Год назад +28

      @@vicweast Let's just put it this way, I've never come across an audiophile who has any knowledge of electronics or physics...

    • @DevideNull
      @DevideNull Год назад +11

      @@vicweast If you want to fight, you can check out the Audio Science Review.
      Basically, it doesn't make any sense unless your device's circuitry doesn't use DC, but directly AC.
      Any normal circuit's DC side should not be affected by AC in any way unless there are major power surge or blackout.

    • @TheStuffMade
      @TheStuffMade Год назад +8

      @@mattparker8747A good example is the late Siegfried Linkwitz (of Linkwitz-Riley filter fame) was a dedicated audiophile and an electronics engineer who designed instruments (Spectrum Analyzers etc) at Hewlett Packard for many years.

  • @johncorrigan2942
    @johncorrigan2942 Год назад +3

    Another masterclass in debugging and repair, thanks.

  • @sidjoyce5426
    @sidjoyce5426 Год назад +6

    Another belter Mark..makes my day...more vintage please.

  • @zimbab5748
    @zimbab5748 Год назад +2

    Fabulous work Mark. Thanks for the vid.

  • @kanguruster
    @kanguruster Год назад +3

    I'm glad I found this channel. Delightful circuit repair ASMR with such calm and authoritative commentary; it's so relaxing and I just might learn enough to be able to repair my Arcam Alpha 9 integrated amp. Win-win!

  • @ferraridinoman
    @ferraridinoman Год назад +2

    Can't beat a bit of a smile with Young Marko!! Great Stuff!

  • @ChipGuy
    @ChipGuy Год назад +80

    You know who could use that for it's ability to output 60 Hz? TECHMOAN! he could plug the step down transformer into the output and then generate some real 115V/60 Hz.

    • @MattTester
      @MattTester Год назад +9

      Good thinking, this would be ideal for Mat. Didn't occur to me when I was watching the repair.

    • @ShainAndrews
      @ShainAndrews Год назад

      Who?

    • @ChipGuy
      @ChipGuy Год назад

      @@ShainAndrews Enter "techmoan" into the youtube search field. Usually the first entry gets you to the channel.

    • @DarronBirgenheier
      @DarronBirgenheier Год назад

      @@ShainAndrews www.youtube.com/@Techmoan/videos

    • @allandenman9387
      @allandenman9387 Год назад +2

      Hi Mark. I must say that watching your videos makes me envy the way you tackle such a wide variety of devices. You are a true professional. It's great to see you are able to put your hands on all the parts required and your test equipment is so comprehensive. Keep up the good work. Personally I would like to see you tackle one of those horrible little Denon mini reciver/cd players and their ilk.(model numbers escape me at this moment)
      Kind regards Allan 😃

  • @gordthor5351
    @gordthor5351 Год назад +4

    I like your method of adding solder and heat from the back to avoid pulling pads off on the backside.

  • @Langendimi555
    @Langendimi555 Год назад

    Why did I only now find this channel? Love it, subscribed!

  • @graemeguthrie2054
    @graemeguthrie2054 Год назад +12

    Wow that was interesting to see that waveform clipped before you worked your magic on the PS Audio unit. I have never seen capton tape used before in that way and I worked in electronic manufacturing a long time. As you say there must have been a reason for it. Love your videos.

    • @gordonwelcher9598
      @gordonwelcher9598 Год назад +28

      Mica insulators will give a grainy, mineral sound.
      The audio characteristic of silicone is too soft and rubbery.
      Kapton will produce a clear tight sound with solid bass and treble.
      Unfortunately beryllium oxide will cause severe attenuation of high frequencies and make your high end setup sound like a cheap telephone.
      Of course diamond is the superior heat transfer material of choice and produces no noticeable coloration, it is the best if you can afford it.
      Vacuum tube amplifiers do not require heat transfer pads. That is one of the reasons they have a superior sound

    • @peterallen8413
      @peterallen8413 Год назад +13

      @@gordonwelcher9598 Spoken like a true audiophile.....Cough!

    • @smcic
      @smcic Год назад +3

      🤣

    • @gordonwelcher9598
      @gordonwelcher9598 Год назад +3

      @@peterallen8413 At low frequencies the heat is produced in waves. Inappropriate transient properties of the heat transfer material will cause the bass to be severely distorted due to thermal effects on the output transistor junctions. Nonlinear dielectric loss in the stray capacitance will affect the high frequencies. Tighter clamping will make a noticeable improvement in sound.

    • @chimpana
      @chimpana Год назад +5

      @@gordonwelcher9598 I'd love to see a double blind test for that woo woo!

  • @TheChipburner
    @TheChipburner Год назад +182

    I think there is a much easier fix: just wire the output directly to the input, and the thing will do exactly the same job as before ;)

    • @jdlech
      @jdlech Год назад +10

      You put far too much faith in my local power company

    • @JasonLeaman
      @JasonLeaman Год назад +9

      NAILED IT !

    • @carlosfigueiredo8476
      @carlosfigueiredo8476 Год назад +9

      😂😂😂
      No, you are wrong. The "thing" will do a better job than before.....

    • @bijukumarkn4626
      @bijukumarkn4626 Год назад +1

      😀😃😄

    • @sonyoledmasterrace6394
      @sonyoledmasterrace6394 11 месяцев назад

      true hater in his natural habitat! Says the arm chair audiophile that does nothing but look at what he can’t afford or have.😮

  • @MrPINKFL0YD
    @MrPINKFL0YD 8 месяцев назад

    I love it when you get quality hifi stuff to peep in!!

  • @theDanMicWebshow
    @theDanMicWebshow Год назад +10

    "I'm not electroboom" is the best part of this video🤣

    • @gordonwelcher9598
      @gordonwelcher9598 Год назад +1

      He is just as funny when he gets zapped. He even swears sometimes.

  • @mikeh6876
    @mikeh6876 8 месяцев назад +1

    Going way, way back to the first days of the PC, we would frequently have to give boards with an edge connector the "pink pearl" treatment. That is, using a Pink Prearl Eraser to clean the contacts. Worked wonders 90% of the time.

  • @jblesser
    @jblesser Год назад +2

    Impeccable work!

  • @williamjones4483
    @williamjones4483 Год назад +4

    Way back in the day I dabbled quite a bit in electronics and I would run across a piece of equipment that had heatsinked power transistors. The manufacturers always used mica and heat sink paste.

  • @OhShitSeriously
    @OhShitSeriously Год назад +1

    A bit of silicone tubing cut on an angle makes a lovely slip-on flexible nozzle extension for those solder suckers. You get a nice seal over the iron tip and joint, which makes the vacuum much more effective, and the silicone isn't deformed by the heat of the iron.

    • @boofuls
      @boofuls 11 месяцев назад

      Sounds like a good idea 🙂

  • @998cooper
    @998cooper Год назад +8

    Very Nice I'm sure Paul McGowan would be impressed.

    • @RickMahoney2013
      @RickMahoney2013 4 месяца назад

      I don’t think so I believe he likes to work on his own equipment he’d want any of his secrets getting out into the world.

  • @gbmillergb
    @gbmillergb Год назад +37

    Hi, did the transistors actually use Kapton tape to transfer heat from the transistors to the heatsink? Because if it was used it might be the cause of the origional failure, Kapton tape does not have very good thermal conductivity.
    Btw I think the screws need to have a fine coat of snake oil to maintain the sonic properties of the power supply.

    • @hvdtoorn
      @hvdtoorn Год назад +3

      exactly what I thought!

    • @RetroTuna
      @RetroTuna Год назад +3

      i was type typing the same thing when i seen your post super odd.

    • @ebaystars
      @ebaystars Год назад

      @@RetroTuna nah you HAVE to replace all the capacitors with space-qualified, anti beta radiation ones, and they have a gold foil / kapton dielectric layer between their vaiorus hiss and click sonic-proofing layers, thanks for the tip I just realised I can use Kapton tape for picture framing as it wont melt in Thailand :-) (PS we got plenty of snakes here)

    • @Tokaisho1
      @Tokaisho1 9 месяцев назад

      I think someone was in this before

    • @normanbott
      @normanbott 6 месяцев назад

      The snake oil only comes with NEW gear, it's factory installed. Once opened the magic is gone.

  • @stephenyoud6125
    @stephenyoud6125 Год назад +1

    Another Excellent repair ( and my second viewing of yr videos) I've been avoiding buying ones of these for my Linn systems but maybe I should get one. Also - Re: the Kapton tape, Linn use Mica wafers on the Klout Power amps between the Sanken Trannies and the heat sink block and this is supposed to have improved the sound quality when introduced as a factory enhancement. I'm starting to binge watch you.. instead of getting on with my own projects. Look what you made me do !

    • @Wizardofgosz
      @Wizardofgosz Год назад +4

      They're great if you want to waste a lot of money and help Paul buy another Tesla.

    • @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy
      @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy Год назад +7

      It'll warm up your room and increase revenue for the power company. If you believe that Linn know how to design audio circuits then you can safely assume they also know how to design a PSU that'll work just fine over the limits of what the power grid delivers.

    • @stephenyoud6125
      @stephenyoud6125 Год назад

      @@TerryClarkAccordioncrazy would hope so, but my old dealer in Switzerland still used external Power conditioners, I think from Isotek. I was considering a TORUS TOT MAX for my main Music system and something else for my Home Cinema room once its up and running. But would be good to get a spectrum analyser on the mains first to see how clean or dirty it is. I know a guy who might be able to look at that for me.

    • @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy
      @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy Год назад +4

      @@stephenyoud6125 Any properly designed equipment will work fine on the standard mains. Hifi dealers like to sell more stuff, whether or not it does anything useful. Edited to fix spelling mistake.

  • @gtretroworld
    @gtretroworld Год назад +2

    Really enjoyed that this morning..unsure how audible of a improvement it would be but interesting all the same.👍

    • @thomasmleahy6218
      @thomasmleahy6218 Год назад +1

      Seems illogical to take the energy from the outlet, reduce that energy by powering an additional device designed to somehow to improve the performance even though total energy is reduced and possibly restricted, passing through myriad components.
      I would favor the "less is more" philosophy. Fewer components, less complex circuits, fewer possible points of failure, fewer components to fail. The KISS principle.

  • @andylewis3461
    @andylewis3461 Год назад +3

    To my experienced eyes, this whole thing smacks of having been (badly) repaired before hence the Kapton tape for SIL pad bodge. Kapton tape as SIL Pads, sorry not on my planet! Good video as usual chap, keep it up! A

  • @gminker
    @gminker Год назад +3

    You are quite talented. Grind a notch in the tube of your solder sucker for the iron tip to fit in and it will work better

  • @PebblesChan
    @PebblesChan Год назад +5

    I highly recommend that you upgrade & use a PACE SX-100 desoldering tool. It’s second to none & so good that you won’t know yourself. It uses extremely convenient disposable dross cartridges making its maintenance a breeze!

    • @ianhaylock7409
      @ianhaylock7409 Год назад +2

      Second to none, after the Metcal desoldering tool. Of course not many people can afford Metcal prices, and it requires a seperate compressor.

  • @gordthor5351
    @gordthor5351 Год назад +49

    The only thing that makes your audio sound better than the loud (unnecessary) fan on the magical AC generator, is when all that pretty AC current enters your amp and almost instantly gets chopped up into DC via a bridge rectifier. Oh well, it was pretty well it lasted until the bridge rectifier destroyed your beautiful artwork AC snake oil. If audiophiles spent a little time learning the basics of electronics, they wouldn't spend a dime on useless snake oil products. If you can't reliably tell the difference in a blind A/B test, than any perceived gains only exist in your head (the placebo effect). Better sound quality comes from spending your money on the few things that actually make a difference. Better amp, preamp, DAC, speakers, room treatment.....

    • @digitalradiohacker
      @digitalradiohacker Год назад +8

      There is a guy here who SWEARS that the kapton tape makes the transistor run hotter, giving the audio a "warm sound" with more "width" and "depth".
      ROFL
      My speakers at home are connected to my amp with old leftover ethernet cable, and I don't care.

    • @robertromero8692
      @robertromero8692 Год назад +2

      Yes, a double blind test is the true measure of whether it makes a difference.

    • @dh-_1011
      @dh-_1011 Год назад +6

      But what about my depth of field getting bigger? And my warmer punchy round bass? And silky yet transparent mids? And the smooth yet accurate treble? And my stereo field widening? And the fact that my tubes last longer? My $1000/ft speakers cables are at 90• bends for perfect sine wave conductivity. And yes I did make sure my power cables cost at least $5000 and they are most definitely directional. This magic box is a MUST in any serious system. Get with it, bruh!! /s

    • @gordthor5351
      @gordthor5351 Год назад +5

      @@dh-_1011 Haha! I tried one of those directional power cables and it sounded amazing, but it wasn't worth the trouble of having to switch the cable ends around 60 times per/sec, so AC current could flow both ways.

    • @dh-_1011
      @dh-_1011 Год назад +1

      @@gordthor5351 It’s a labour of love, it’s all about tOaN!!!!!!!!

  • @drdyna
    @drdyna 9 месяцев назад

    I've always loved that copper-chrome color of the kapton tape roll.

  • @digitalradiohacker
    @digitalradiohacker Год назад +28

    I'd have put a couple of internal Wago connectors in it to jumper the input to the output, nicked the magnetics for my windowsill collection, and stuck a housebrick in it to make up for the wieght loss.
    What kind of mutant would take a rotational machine generated sine and then use an approximated copy of it "for audiophile purposes"?
    Really - If your amp can't deal with the odd powerline glitch, bin the sodding thing.
    (Deep breath) - Nice repair.

    • @normanbott
      @normanbott 6 месяцев назад +1

      That's generally the opinion of Amir from Audio Science Review. And mine too. PS Audio stuff is vastly over priced .

  • @isthkar123
    @isthkar123 7 месяцев назад

    lovely video mark again

  • @Nephilim-81
    @Nephilim-81 Год назад

    What a great video. Thank you so much.

  • @saarike
    @saarike Год назад

    Excellent repair!!

  • @nudebaboon4874
    @nudebaboon4874 Год назад

    Great video Mark.👍

  • @johnkristian
    @johnkristian Год назад +6

    Nice to have a big fat finger print on the front glass :P

  • @johnmarchington3146
    @johnmarchington3146 Год назад +1

    Paul will be contacting you to do all the PS Audio servicing in the UK. (Just kidding). Another excellent video.

  • @Yreq
    @Yreq Год назад

    I used to work in notebook service and kapton tape has been used always to cover nearby elements from heat while soldering and/or electrical insulation, but never this way. Like William J. wrote. "mica plates" is the way to keep stuff cool and isolated.

  • @petesmith2234
    @petesmith2234 Год назад +55

    What a pointless piece of kit, but I suppose someone must buy them. The story of the king’s new clothes comes to mind. As many have said, it’s converted to DC anyway and that’s all the amp see’s. All it really wants is a good low impedance supply which doesn’t sag under load, such as that available from a standard 13Amp socket. All this device can do is raise the impedance. If it were able to lower it, it would be possible to pull more power (for the same voltage) than it’s drawing from the mains, which is clearly impossible.
    Any conventional power supply only pulls current towards the waveform peaks anyway, which is what leads to the distortion in the first place. If anything, the slightly flat topped waveform will reduce the peak currents in the rectifier and probably prolong its life.
    The output waveform looks great with a small constant resistive light bulb load. I’d like to see what it does in the real world powering an amp with constantly changing load and phase angle. I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t look any better than the raw mains, not only that, but it would also be constantly ‘on the move’ as well and would also inflict the same wobbly supply on any source equipment.
    The option of 55Hz is totally bizarre. 55Hz is not used on a properly functioning mains supply anywhere in the world. If you were that worried about the quality of your mains, why on earth would you want a non standard frequency?
    It seems to me, if you really need one of these, you should have bought audio equipment which was properly designed in the first place.

    • @DrTune
      @DrTune Год назад +5

      exactly this ^^

    • @chimpana
      @chimpana Год назад +23

      Audiophiles' brains and wallets don't work that way. They'd strap a tortoise to their amps if someone wrote a convincing article it would help with sound quality.

    • @petesmith2234
      @petesmith2234 Год назад +22

      @@chimpana I have a giraffe on mine, I read somewhere it improves the high end.

    • @ebaystars
      @ebaystars Год назад +1

      nah the company should have made Tempest Grade isolation devices (for that ultimate red-black transition) and filters then they would have made zillions from the military

    • @B3ARCAT
      @B3ARCAT Год назад +15

      @@chimpana I can think of a number of examples, but I think my favorite so far is audiophiles who use little wooden stands, like tiny 3” telephone poles every 2’ propping up their cables so that their speaker cabling and patch cables (oh, excuse me “interconnects”) do not make contact with their carpet or other flooring, because…that’s…bad.
      The person I first saw doing that spent 30 min trying to explain to me how much better his system sounded after this modification, and why, in pseudoscientific terms at least, it made such a huge difference to use his wood stands. It’s bizarre and hilarious. It’s woo-woo, almost like a set of supernatural beliefs. Makes me kind of sad, this sort of anti-scientific, non-evidence based approach, but I think the main thing that really drives me nuts about this is that it’s not even necessary because there’s so much great sounding, inexpensive consumer/prosumer and pro-audio gear available!
      I am a musician, producer/sound designer (and so is my brother), mostly video game music/soundtracks and sound effects, so I obviously enjoy good music, played on a system that is adequate. Audio engineering has long been an apprenticeship-based profession, starting with the “tea boy” role in older studios (or the “roadie” role - in touring and live concert production) so it used to be a bit more difficult to access the knowledge needed to work in our field without some sort of hands-on training…but these days, there are so many ways to learn about the concepts behind sound engineering, so the knowledge is easily available to almost anyone with internet access. I hope more “audiophiles” will realize they don’t even need all this expensive, often absolutely useless and absurd crap to hear their favorite recorded music, faithfully reproduced.

  • @Lenny-kt2th
    @Lenny-kt2th Год назад +12

    1:00 That sinewave shape was like that thirty years ago, so IMHO has little to do with "modern" electronics. Conventional power supplies are just as guilty in taking power at the peak of the sinewave as switched mode power supplies are.
    I'm not too worried about the slightly distorted mains sinewave, my audio (and other) devices turn it into a regulated DC supply first anyway.

    • @erikbertram6019
      @erikbertram6019 Год назад +2

      Its not actually the switched mode bit of the power supply that does that, its the rectifier, which has been used forever. SMPS can inject distortion into the net, just not harmonic distortion. Nowadays, there is more regulation on the distortion a supply is allowed to make, so I would imagine it would only get better, as long as we don't collectively buy unregulated imported electronics, which tend to omit most of the improvements, like power factor correction and EMI filters.

    • @SeanBZA
      @SeanBZA Год назад

      Yes, I get a nice waveform out of a ferroresonant converter, which also has a nice advantage that rectifier diodes run cooler due to the flat topped waveform, and it makes for a really good mains filter as well, surviving a few cycles of drop out with no hassle..

    • @chimpana
      @chimpana Год назад +1

      Almost as if audiophile kit is expensive snake oil!

  • @GeoffDavis1974
    @GeoffDavis1974 Год назад +1

    Notes: don't trust capaitors to discharge themselves. Cut legs from dead components to aid removal. Awesome video bud... 👌😎👍

    • @ebaystars
      @ebaystars Год назад

      after being off for 20 years ?

    • @GeoffDavis1974
      @GeoffDavis1974 Год назад

      @@ebaystars Glad you can put a time and date to the last charge cycle but when working as a psu repair engineer i saw lots of open circuit bleed resistors across the mains capacitors... 😁 If you do the math a perfect capacitor will never discharge so i guess its all down to leakage... 🤔

    • @ebaystars
      @ebaystars Год назад

      @@GeoffDavis1974 Im old enough to remember CRTS in TVs with HUGE voltages stored on the tubes flyback pin!! Did that thing actually have high voltages over it was it switched mode unit I didnt see a circuit ? looked linear in the main?

    • @GeoffDavis1974
      @GeoffDavis1974 Год назад

      @@ebaystarsme too, i used to repair those also. the charge is in the tube and the tube has capacitance. Same deal...

  • @darylhudson777
    @darylhudson777 День назад

    Back in the 1990's I was at a Best Buy and they had two large plasma screen televisions that back then cost $10,000 to $12,000 US each. There was a power supply with large VU meters between them and it filtered the line voltage for 1 of the tv's. It cost $400+ US. I could definitely tell the difference in the two televisions the one that was going through the filter was much clearer a picture.

  • @prillewitz
    @prillewitz 10 месяцев назад

    I like it! For the initials alone already!

  • @summerforever6736
    @summerforever6736 Год назад

    Nice work boss!

  • @bobgrob4
    @bobgrob4 29 дней назад

    that thumbprint will make this ps a collectors item when Mark hits the bigtime.

  • @soudley8
    @soudley8 5 месяцев назад +1

    I wonder how many times his mum has to call him, to come in for his tea. Great content, can't stop watching , what a perfectionist , thank you Mark

  • @maxtrue9744
    @maxtrue9744 9 месяцев назад

    I use a CVT (Constant Voltage Transformer) to do this job. It works very well and is a passive device. CVTs are expensive as well.

  • @josepeixoto3384
    @josepeixoto3384 Год назад +6

    just for general info, i just checked it º.º
    kapton tape, heat pass thru,used in the old days 0.1 W/mK better than notinng...
    silicone pads, used today 1.6 W/mK so, this is 16 times BETTER

    • @northernlightandsound
      @northernlightandsound 2 месяца назад

      You have to account for the thickness though. If the silicone pads are more than 16 times thicker than the Kapton tape, higher thermal conductivity won’t help.

  • @AstrosElectronicsLab
    @AstrosElectronicsLab Год назад +1

    I can't believe I watched a man stick Kapton tape on transistors for five minutes... lol. Cool video. New subscriber.

    • @thomasmleahy6218
      @thomasmleahy6218 Год назад

      He has many other interesting and satisfying performances, stay tuned. Loved the audiophool bits, interesting and entertaining. I have seen and read of such things and find humor in it, although many are quite vexed.

  • @antcollins6594
    @antcollins6594 Год назад +19

    Hi - easier to remove the transistor if you snip the pins first. You can then remove the pins one at a time without needing to overheat (and possibly lift) the pads.
    I'd also be worrying about clearances to the case around the capton tape. Presumably those power devices are at mains voltage - pretty sure there isn't 5mm of clearance there. In fact the position of the screws make that impossible - as far as I can see.

    • @hashtag-shaneiacs
      @hashtag-shaneiacs Год назад

      Never thought of this, thanks! Of course do this only if I’m sure the semiconductor is faulty or else I’ll snip off a good one n can’t test whether it’s ok or not

    • @SeanBZA
      @SeanBZA Год назад +1

      Do not think the amplifier runs at mains, likely around 70V rails, with one power transformer doing the input and the other 2 the output sockets, each separate.

    • @ivolol
      @ivolol Год назад +3

      Don't trust audio engineers to get normal electrical safety standards correct 🤣

    • @thomasmleahy6218
      @thomasmleahy6218 Год назад +1

      ​​@@ivolol How dare you!! I'm shocked, shocked!! (Apologies to Claude Rains).
      ⚡⚡😂

  • @absurdengineering
    @absurdengineering 10 месяцев назад +1

    Perhaps the point of Kapton tape is no need for thermal grease. It will creep into the surface roughness to do the job pretty well. I don’t think I’ve ever seen it used by others. Myself I got this idea some 15 years ago and it has saved many a paper towel from cleaning the grease :)
    It outperforms mica thermally, that much I know. Maybe not as robust very long-term? So far it’s not failed me once on my projects. Some are under power day-round.

  • @mikemattingly2859
    @mikemattingly2859 Год назад +1

    Nice vid!

  • @francisinfante1335
    @francisinfante1335 Год назад

    i love youre channel sir phil collins

  • @bruceinoz8002
    @bruceinoz8002 Год назад +5

    Basically a UPS (sans batteries) with an "audiophile" price?

  • @brandonburr4900
    @brandonburr4900 Год назад +7

    Good to see o e of Paul's pieces put back into service after years of use. I thought the unit was from the mid 90s when Paul was trying to put back the company on the map after he bought it back (after having sold it). This was one of the first products to really get ps audio going in the direction they are today. They made bigger versions of the the 600 and and 1200 I think for powering various audio pieces. Seen a number of these needing work and it's interesting why these transistors fail and that scorched relay. Only seen a couple of your videos but their fun, inspiring and educational. Just curious if you do any videos on things for beginners like soldering tips, general advice on measuring and tech tips? Thanks from the USA!

    • @kazuviking
      @kazuviking Год назад

      PS Audio made money buy scamming uneducated old "idiots".

    • @brucenicoll4373
      @brucenicoll4373 10 месяцев назад

      It is nice to see I am a fan of ps from New Zealand

  • @oso3470
    @oso3470 8 месяцев назад

    I Like to see your Electtonics Lab, Now I suscribe in your channel ❤

  • @nutsnproud6932
    @nutsnproud6932 Год назад

    Thanks for bringing us along to the workshop. I guess some idiot overloaded the output and took the transistors out.

  • @BigEightiesNewWave
    @BigEightiesNewWave Год назад +3

    Imagine him and Mr. Carlson having a conversation.

  • @cmonkey63
    @cmonkey63 Год назад +1

    Flooding the connections with solder does work, but I've lifted thinner PCB traces doing that. Boo! on me. This looks like a robust power circuit board, so safer to do. Just have to be careful. Nice to find the core problem so quickly, though. (I swear I can smell the flux in every one of these videos, ha ha.)

  • @gettingoldsuckss
    @gettingoldsuckss Год назад +1

    If all repairs were like this.... couldn't have been any simpler

  • @iantyler4045
    @iantyler4045 Год назад +3

    I was shouting at the screen "Check the emitter resistors" Maybe you did off camera but with shorted output transistors something would have to give and it wasn't the fuse.

  • @marcusharmon8389
    @marcusharmon8389 2 месяца назад

    This is why people like Sennheiser provide separate psu for their 50 grand plus headphones etc nice clean power plus the old tubes look awesome!!!

  • @tony359
    @tony359 Год назад

    interesting device. would "online" UPS' do the same thing (plus the battery backup)? What is the disadvantage of having distorted mains going into sound equipment?

    • @digitalradiohacker
      @digitalradiohacker Год назад +5

      Absolutely none.
      Nothing actually makes use of the line voltage - It's way too high, and AC is a pain in the arse to wrangle.
      Every device you see has a transformer to drop the voltage down to something sensible, then rectifiers to get pulsed DC, then capacitors to smooth, the regulators to set the final voltage.
      Any designer worth their salt will design a good margin into the power supply section such that there is decent headroom for the mains to drop significantly, but for the regulators to continue as normal.
      Devices like this rely on peoples lack of knowledge about power supply design in order to sell.

    • @tony359
      @tony359 Год назад +2

      @@digitalradiohacker i guess audiophiles will mention inaudible distortion or unlikely physics laws to justify their purchase 🙂 thanks for clarifying!

  • @SlinkyStoney
    @SlinkyStoney Год назад +4

    I don't know but after all, it will be converted to DC anyways. But if your TT is using an AC motor, then that would work great 👍

  • @JasperJanssen
    @JasperJanssen Год назад +1

    I wonder if the gaping hole used to house a fan-shaped filter?

  • @jimklyman9602
    @jimklyman9602 Год назад +2

    Love the part snooping and replacement, one question - how the heck do you source the replacement parts when they are so old. Heck I have problems with getting parts that are only 5 years old, let alone DIP chips and specialty relays !

  • @JPRD2379
    @JPRD2379 21 час назад

    Absolutely love the channel for your wayyy in depth repairs,BUT ,cant agree on kapton tape for heat sink insulators, need thermal conductivity along with electrical isolation.

  • @MattTester
    @MattTester Год назад +1

    It's possible that I will need to contact you about my vintage Braun Atelier A1 amp at some point Mark, the record source selector has always been temperamental since I got it at the beginning of 2021, recently there was a click and now the range of the selector doesn't cover all of the sources. Minimal impact on using it but annoying all the same! I believe they are sliding switches driven by a cable from the front panel knob.

    • @MendItMark
      @MendItMark  Год назад +4

      You would be welcome! Find me at www.perton-electronics.co.uk

  • @tekvax01
    @tekvax01 Год назад +2

    those connectors are called speak-on connectors. They are indeed used for both speakers and mains utility power. Not confusing at all!! :)

    • @hvdtoorn
      @hvdtoorn Год назад +3

      They are actually different between power and speaker, if I remember correctly

    • @user-zr1ij2nz6j
      @user-zr1ij2nz6j Год назад +2

      @@hvdtoorn They are indeed different. Speakon for Speakers and Powerkon for Mains. They only fit in their designatet sockets.

    • @gordonm2821
      @gordonm2821 Год назад +1

      They are Neutrik PowerCon and used where 16A inputs are needed. The superior PowerCon TRUE1 is used extensively in the pro AV/events industry

  • @peterbradbury784
    @peterbradbury784 Год назад

    I noticed that in the oscillator PCB that D7, D8, D9, D10 C27, C28 and C29 are missing. Can you answer why this is the case? If you were to populate the devices would the circuit function differently, and in what way?

  • @cda32
    @cda32 Год назад +10

    Only audiophiles would pay twice as much for an online UPS without the batteries.

    • @GeekLabsMusic
      @GeekLabsMusic Год назад

      I was about to ask, despite the obvious irrelevance of the mains line condition once it's rectified... Wouldn't an UPS do the same thing... Maybe not be able to switch the frequency though.

    • @sonyoledmasterrace6394
      @sonyoledmasterrace6394 11 месяцев назад

      I think he got a deal since it’s used Einstein.😂

  • @berndeckenfels
    @berndeckenfels Год назад

    What better way are there to isolate-attach the FET to coolers without pads or tape?

  • @MikeDS49
    @MikeDS49 Год назад

    Is this a simple low bandwidth monoblock amp for a single sine wave?

  • @weyayemanjoe3082
    @weyayemanjoe3082 Год назад

    ❤ Your Channel mate👍

  • @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy
    @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy Год назад +9

    In the real world this device only has value if you live between a steel mill and a welding shop, but it's nicely made nonetheless.

    • @Wizardofgosz
      @Wizardofgosz Год назад +3

      And even then it won't do anything.

    • @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy
      @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy Год назад

      @@Wizardofgosz Yeah you're right, if the steel mill is chomping whole cycles out of your mains then this contraption probably won't even work and your flickering lights are likely to be a bigger concern.

    • @qddk9545
      @qddk9545 Год назад

      Try to make a voltage divider and put your mains out into a scope, and you will see how distorted it is.

    • @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy
      @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy Год назад +4

      @@qddk9545 Sure, but distortion of the mains doesn't translate into distortion of the audio.

    • @Wizardofgosz
      @Wizardofgosz Год назад

      @@qddk9545 Yes? And?
      Then this miraculous thing happens. The AC gets rectified and FILTERED through this thing called a POWER SUPPLY, and the power comes out as clean DC.
      ruclips.net/video/12T7JFLGlf0/видео.html
      ruclips.net/video/II07bFlteig/видео.html

  • @steverhenius6734
    @steverhenius6734 Год назад

    Was there a diode across the relay ? Had it failed resulting in sparking ?

  • @Gtrtech
    @Gtrtech Год назад

    I've seen Kapton insulators before. Not tape tho. I suppose since they are so thin they can be somewhat on oar with mica or the gray silpads. I always replaced them with mica tho...

  • @mattsadventureswithart5764
    @mattsadventureswithart5764 Год назад +5

    Ah, the audiophool market. Where one can sell a device for converting 240VAC into 240VAC, and customers will tell you that their CD player sounds better for having done that.
    EDIT It appears that autocorrupt got audiophile. Oh well.

  • @600322
    @600322 Год назад

    Is this sort of electricity cleaner if your electricity plant delivers dirty stuff to your house? Has there been any scientific comparisons aka blind tests if such a device is a solution?

  • @pauldavies6037
    @pauldavies6037 Год назад

    Great and lucky repair could have been a nightmare all those TR's perhaps arcing relay contacts caused the fault

  • @ebaystars
    @ebaystars Год назад

    i really enjoyed watching this , the RS solder sucker, the whole job, great, I did spot the PCB dirty edge before you popped it in lolz, I have a 5kG roll of pre EU BS Ersin Multicore not for sale, never knew the audio freaks regenerated their mains like that phew!! Best wishes and happy desoldering from Thailand the land of the dodgy two wire mains and chinese electronic crap...

  • @gordonwelcher9598
    @gordonwelcher9598 Год назад +3

    I find that copper desoldering braid is very useful.
    It is always good to have It in your arsenal of desoldering aids.
    Sometimes it makes a brown mess on the board that has to be cleaned with alcohol.

    • @MikeDS49
      @MikeDS49 Год назад +1

      I was taught to use braid over a solder sucker by military electronics techs because there's less risk ripping off the pads. But if Mark uses one and he's had good luck with them, more power!

    • @gordonwelcher9598
      @gordonwelcher9598 Год назад

      The solder mask comes off if you are not careful.

    • @PebblesChan
      @PebblesChan Год назад

      That’s why I use a top notch PACE SX-100 desoldering tool! It’s the best desoldering tool I’ve ever used. It sucks all the solder from plated through holes as clean as a whistle & allows the desoldered component to literally fall out without causing any damage to the PCB.

  • @robertbox5399
    @robertbox5399 9 месяцев назад

    How much distortion to the 'pure' sine wave does the bridge in the audio amp add Lol?

  • @LaLaLand.Germany
    @LaLaLand.Germany Год назад +2

    Heij Buddy, I just wonder: You have the most beautiful measuring stuff and still desolder like a cave man?
    I do way less fiddeling than You but I didn´t want to put up with that anymore so I bought a desolder station, a zd 915. Applied the overvoltage mod in form of a step down converter in place of some load resistors switched in line with the pump and fan- works splendid.
    The poor fan gets 18 volts, it´s dragged down by the load of the pump to 12 volts. Now with the converter it´s at 12,5 volts all the time and the pump starts up instant. This thing really sucks now and is way quieter as before. A good machine.

  • @VanillaNesQuik
    @VanillaNesQuik Год назад

    Does anyone know if there is a repair/service manual out there for this unit? I have one that blows fuses and have inspected the unit several times and have not tracked down the failure. All transistors seem to be non-shorted. I tested all typical failed components and have swapped all electrolytics.

    • @b_antony201
      @b_antony201 Год назад

      I used to have the large PS audio conditioner that would blow fuses.. it had a large inrush current on turn on (according to them normal) so I upped the fuse and never had a problem again…

    • @digitalradiohacker
      @digitalradiohacker Год назад

      What was the ESR on the old caps?

  • @TonyLing
    @TonyLing Год назад +3

    If I've got this correct, this audiofool device turns AC, into DC, DC into AC, so that your audio gear can then turn the AC into DC.

    • @pizzablender
      @pizzablender Год назад

      A DC ADC converted AC into DC bits AC would be converted to AC using a DC rail.

    • @WouterB76
      @WouterB76 9 месяцев назад +1

      I am thunderstruck.

  • @Kwaq84
    @Kwaq84 Год назад +5

    Kapton as a thermopad? Bad idea... While electrically insulating it not only conduct heat poorly, but also quickly degrade when exposed to high temperature - that may cause shorts to heatsink. There is way better stuff specially designed for that role, for using at mains potential, too, if that's the case.

  • @joseabrahaoabrahao7937
    @joseabrahaoabrahao7937 Год назад

    Você usa um multímetro de bancada Hp, é um instrumento incrível eu gosto muito, mas você usa também um multímetro analógico para testar os componentes, o que você acha de multímetro analógico?

  • @FlatBroke612
    @FlatBroke612 Год назад +5

    I bet that the clipped mains by having more DC component would have LESS ripple after going through any half decent amplifiers rectifier and filter caps... audiofools will Buy anything.

  • @Andrew-rc3vh
    @Andrew-rc3vh Год назад

    A god trick with removing power transistors is to put enough solder on so it bridges adjacent pins and then heat the whole thing up, or 2/3 and then leaver it from side to side.

  • @tweakerman
    @tweakerman 5 месяцев назад

    What temperature do you have your soldering station set at?

  • @K-Effect
    @K-Effect Год назад

    When was that piece of equipment built? Around 2000?

  • @herbertmathews
    @herbertmathews Год назад +3

    Hi Mark, What is your view of the build quality of this unit?, on a scale of 1 to 10 maybe?. I always wonder on power conditioners /regenerators as what effect they have on the dc signal of the units plugged in once the mains signal has gone through the plugged in components power supply. Keep up the good work, very entertaining videos.

    • @MendItMark
      @MendItMark  Год назад +4

      I think the build quality is quite high on it. The components were of the better brands (especially the capacitors), and the PCB was certainly well made. It didn't appear to be made cheaply... The regenerator outputs through a balanced step-up transformer, so it should eliminate any DC component that may have been present.

    • @vicweast
      @vicweast Год назад

      @@MendItMark Thanks Mark. That goes with my experience with the PS Audio gear I have owned as well.

    • @mikeeygauthier2959
      @mikeeygauthier2959 Год назад

      @@MendItMark what’s ur take on HiFi fuses such as Synergistic Purple fuse upgrade??

    • @sw6188
      @sw6188 Год назад +3

      @@mikeeygauthier2959 I'm an electronics engineer that has worked with domestic and professional audio for 45+ years. I can tell you categorically that you would be wasting your money spending it on fancy "audiophile" grade fuses. You would not detect any change in the sound at all. All those things are designed to do is remove money from your wallet (lots of it). Nothing more than snake oil.

    • @mikeeygauthier2959
      @mikeeygauthier2959 Год назад

      @@sw6188 Proof is in the pudding”, as they say. I installed Synergistic purple fuses in my audio equipment and I found an absolutely incredible sound quality difference!! Try it for yourself!

  • @DD4DA
    @DD4DA Год назад

    Why you don't replace the well grilled resistors on the MCU board?

  • @normanbott
    @normanbott 6 месяцев назад

    Love this repair, always wanted to see inside one of those; turned into a bit of PS Audio bashing in the comments😉 . If you want more, look into Audio Science Review channel for an unbiased and sound technical analysis of audio products.

  • @aaronatwood9298
    @aaronatwood9298 Месяц назад

    When this said audiophile, I was expecting NOS GEC KT77, reformed waxy caps that look like they could have been from Stalin's birthday cake, rolled aluminum oil caps, mustard caps, carbon comp resistors, separate HT and Filiment transformers, 2 single end transformers for push pull, a 2 wire plug cause the grounded chassis will affect the sound, and a whole drawer full of pre and power tubes (valves) to roll for each song selection as different combinations match the sonic properties of the music.
    I build amplifiers, if all the ratings match the label, you will not ever notice the difference. On bass amps I do oversize the output transformer because OT saturation can be noticeable at low frequencies, Nichicon, F&T or Mod electrolytics, but other than that, most of my useage stuff is pretty generic. I laugh when a customer thinks that blue molded ajax caps, RCA or Mullard tubes, and every resistor being carbon comp is the key to perfect Fender tone... But oh well. They pay.

  • @vicweast
    @vicweast Год назад +4

    This is a wonderful video Mark! I'm 67 and have occasionally done a bit of hands-on electronics and wiring, your videos are interesting in terms of professional technique/tips-to-be-gleaned! BTW, I love the PS Audio regenerators, they make an actual qualitative difference in the sound from my systems.

    • @user-cf1in1tl7j
      @user-cf1in1tl7j Год назад

      Nope - Please review ruclips.net/video/jeirY9tC_NU/видео.html HTH

  • @hobononono3435
    @hobononono3435 Год назад

    Used to have one of those - Hotter than the valve amps it supplied.

  • @busman2000
    @busman2000 7 месяцев назад

    I am guessing that was an industrial size version of a smoothing circuit ( like with ripple DC)??

  • @tomthompson7400
    @tomthompson7400 Год назад

    You may just be the man ,,, Ive an old Technics cd player , the big bulky studio one , the cd does not spin , common wisdom is that its two capacitors an the cd motor drive board , are you the man to look at it .. thanks T

  • @bytemyvoid
    @bytemyvoid Год назад +1

    capton tape is thermal insulator, so uve insulated transistors from heatsink.

  • @VegasVaron
    @VegasVaron Год назад +2

    Based on poor reviews of PS Audio power products (e.g. from Audio Science Review channel) not too sure this unit was worth repairing. I enjoyed the video though. Nice work!

    • @jamesrindley6215
      @jamesrindley6215 Год назад +4

      The product is based on flawed concepts and appeals to people who don't understand how PSUs work. It's not necessary to have a perfect sine wave supply and any well designed PSU will handle any grid supply that's within the spec limits. It might just make sense to use this if you have a turntable with a synchronous AC motor, but even then, the grid doesn't wow and flutter much because generation equipment has huge turbines with huge flywheels. Of course there are "reviewers" claiming they can hear differences, but the same loons also claim they hear the difference between two brands of banana plugs on the speaker cable, or different types of stands used to support the amplifier. There's one born every minute.

    • @frizzlefry1921
      @frizzlefry1921 Год назад +3

      ​@@jamesrindley6215 You need old growth oak to hold you're speaker cables off the carpet or you'll introduce harmonic distortion from the carpet pad... 😂

    • @jamesrindley6215
      @jamesrindley6215 Год назад +3

      @@frizzlefry1921 Good point, and don't forget your cryogenically conditioned gold plated mains fuses.