Interested in a follow-up of turbosmart e-gates. Lots of initial press but I don't think I've seen anyone actually use one. Some datalogs of performance Vs pneumatic types would he interesting. And a few bucks from turbosmart for the effort I would hope.
Excellent video Andrew. A lot of the same principles also apply to ABS. Might make for a good video too if you havent already. Many people don't understand the difference between ABS designed for road vs. motorsport.
Always baffles me how this channel doesn't have more subscribers. There is always great knowledge passed on and the content is always entertaining. Appreciate your work.
Good to see this stuff starting to make its way into the aftermarket. GPS derived speed is problematic at high rates (50hz) and at high accuracy rates such as 10hz it's not fast enough to be useful. The correct answer here is an inertial navigation sensor that uses sensor fusion (mag/Accel/gyro/GPS) to derive very high speed data (500hz) both in body frame (xyz) and globe frame (LLA). It will also provide lateral velocity data for cornering traction control. Hoping to have a product later this year.
Syvecs/Life Racing have been the reference for Motorsport traction and have been doing similar for years….mapping on slip v yaw / lateral g / speed. Recursive decay algorithm is key for smooth power. 12 traction maps all mappable against practically anything with variable gain, recursive decay and slip map adders. Gps track marker can change settings per track. 100hz GPS for ground / radar etc. I run these and the best thing about them is the traction system. It’s good that motec are doing the same.
Is the R33 instrument cluster @10:42 a digital dash or are my eyes playing tricks on me? It looks really nice, can you please tell me the link on where to find and for how much? I’m guessing it’s pretty expensive but it seems like a good upgrade to modernize the interior.
Could. You guys ask power tune what happened to their VR38(increased to 4.1L) AWD S15? They showed some pictures on their facebook a couple of years ago.
car and truck manufactories... please take notes of this... not only for a car.. i drive several big trucks for work.. and when i get off the highway and trying to make a turn on a speed witch i know the truck can do ( usually around 50 km/h, depending on the radius of the bend).. the traction controll and ESP kick in and start to apply the brakes.. that is something i dont want because i can feel the weight of the trailer pushing the truck to the outside of the corner witch makes it unsafe.. sometimes i floor it to override the ESP so it doesnt apply the brakes but only cuts power/boost with the TCS so the problem is not just HP and car related.. this can also be helpfull in trucks...
Andrew the level of detail through the Motec Datalog is crazy. Totally makes we want Motec for my next project. Ryan certainly had some great experience there
Very cool, I feel like the GPS might be a bit hit or miss. Surprised they haven't implemented a laser speed sensor or something, not really sure what's available but surely that would be a more accurate way of getting an actual speed into the motec
Check out Andy Forrest talk about his AWD traction control system on his old 1500HP wrx WTAC. He uses GPS in combination with known change in speed for each wheel. If it exceeded the known ramp speed increase along with the GPS slowing it would know to begin its magic. It worked well for him. Amazing car
@@andrewlangford88 there’s solutions for low speed. Several Static pressure sensors around the car can take care of that by comparing the data. But good call!
They mentioned any Motecs sold by Powertune will come with their custom traction management strategy built into the firmware. Haltech is capable of the same strategy on some Elites (1500 & 2500) and Nexus, it's a matter of the time and knowledge to set it all up. The fact that Powertune are providing this with the Motec certainly makes it an attractive proposition.
This is a great bit of tech for any skyline making enough power to constantly spin the wheels.... could this also be available on a haltech elite 2000 platform? Also where can I get a digital screen like what's in the gtr?
@@briancostello2783 I just had this conversation with my tuner today....... he thinks he may have already have it set up to like this.... just need to get the car back to him once I've sorted a few other addition sensor inputs I want to add and put my Ross performance trigger kit on👍👍
@@MotiveVideo Are the sensor split to both the ATTESA computer and Motec? Or is the Motec managing torque split duty cycle directly as well? (Or option 3 I suppose... is the Motec grabbing data via the ATTESA's Consult bus?)
Sounds the same as an AES Stage 3 fully active system. Set the backpressure on 0.25psi and it will constantly stay there. Have multiple settings for more noise reduction on the street. Active rules!!
Would like to upgrade my RB S30 to a decent traction control setup in the future, but I am not sure if you could run a good enough setup from a Link G4+ Extreme ECU. Best Link available when I built it but can it run something like this given that the Motec is twice the price and much newer. Its quite driveable without traction control but I'm sure having traction control would make it so much quicker tough the first 3 gears and a massive difference in first.
@@PHATT_TV Yeah you can. I called the guys at Haltech and they walked me through setting it up. Didn't cost me a cent either. Won't get that from Motec.
@@regunderground4585 I'm guessing you are getting the 'wont get that from motec' comment from hear-say. you should fact check yourself before posting 2nd hand info on the net.
I run tractioncontrol in my 400-450whp mx5 turbo and its just epic when configured correctly. The car Just accelerates with the kind of control a high hp mx5 has no right to do :D
what % slip do you find has the most grip? I try and stay around 11% with my mickey t et street r, i find they grip more with a little more wheel spin.
How are you able to control a bigger power N/A motor like a 440 LS7? I've been trying timing retard (as far as 0°) and richening up the mixture as far as 10:1 but it's still not enough in 1st and 2nd. Is ignition cut my only option? Not running DBW just yet. Cheers.
That's exactly correct. Pulling timing is very limited to what you can actually achieved. This bloke talks about it like is a hidden secret. You can hear the car missing with timing cuts on first demo of traction control on.
Is the powertune dude an independent dealer of MoTec- he's gone to the effort of writing this up but MoTec doesn't offer the code? 👍 thumbs up ;) Bmw MHD does boost per gear or torque per gear then via tunerpro throttle closure intensity. As a standard car BMW traction control is fairly sensitive but i guess they have to for the average driver who hits snow or water on the Autobarn at 180
But hitting snow or water at 180 on the Autobahn is more of an antilock braking and accident avoidance system issue than Traction Control used for maximum acceleration with minimal tyre slip.
Cool as fuck. This was promised 10yrs ago with vbox TC. We gotta get on top of this shit! EV is here and is no joke. We need more software ppl in this space. I love EV’s, but we gotta treat ICE like rocket engines; extract max value with software
@@MotiveVideo I just mean visually, from the perspective of a person watching the video. I could see it swerving with no traction control when looking out the windshield, but with traction control on we were just watching Andrew primarily and what we could see out the window to the side wasn’t as good for seeing how straight the car was or wasn’t going.
@@MotiveVideo daaaang! that's definitely one of the fastest times anyone has run there to my knowledge. next time he's in Vegas, we should have a little friendly challenge! coming out for SEMA? ;)
MoTec are one of the most expensive if not the most expensive brand out there for a reason. 😎👍 I remember getting a quote from PowerTune for an M130GPA+Wiring for Crustida, an easy way to spend over $7K in one hit. 😳
What other technical things should we cover in Motive Tech?
Interested in a follow-up of turbosmart e-gates. Lots of initial press but I don't think I've seen anyone actually use one. Some datalogs of performance Vs pneumatic types would he interesting. And a few bucks from turbosmart for the effort I would hope.
@@burn4005 Boosted Bois MR2 just used one in a video they did at Fueltech.
Factory ECU Antilag & Launch control from say a modified ECUEDIT WRX STI vs what actual proper systems can offer...
Real launch control set up, no burnouts or exhaust popping. Just straight 0-60 killers
How about setting up cruise control if it's not stock on the GTR so you can have a nice drive or road trip.
Def my favourite thing about Motive. Always something to be learned. Ryan's a real wealth of knowledge and know-how.
Motive garage is the best pack with entertainment and Knowledge.
Excellent video Andrew. A lot of the same principles also apply to ABS. Might make for a good video too if you havent already. Many people don't understand the difference between ABS designed for road vs. motorsport.
You mean like this? 😄
ruclips.net/video/kK9nQg_Rr_U/видео.html
@@MotiveVideo Bam!! Nice :)
Always baffles me how this channel doesn't have more subscribers. There is always great knowledge passed on and the content is always entertaining. Appreciate your work.
Good to see this stuff starting to make its way into the aftermarket. GPS derived speed is problematic at high rates (50hz) and at high accuracy rates such as 10hz it's not fast enough to be useful. The correct answer here is an inertial navigation sensor that uses sensor fusion (mag/Accel/gyro/GPS) to derive very high speed data (500hz) both in body frame (xyz) and globe frame (LLA). It will also provide lateral velocity data for cornering traction control. Hoping to have a product later this year.
I was thinking of going even further, with a dual-redundant INS. You can get some really, REALLY accurate ones that are used in rocketry.
Data is king. In 2021 if you don’t have a sensor for your sensor you’re missing out 😂😂
Chea, Peter and Ryan are so good! They know their stuff!
12:05 is the evil laugh when you know people are going to be seeing tail lights, great effort on the TC strategy!
Thats awesome.
The AWD traction control blows my mind. Very keen to see that test been done.
The Scottish time attack Subaru has been running this style system for years. Good to see it's getting into consumer level equipment.
Love your videos Andrew!!! I built my R32 GTR based off of MUCH of your advice, thank you!!!
How much power is your car making?
@@Bird-nx5ef here’s my dyno video: ruclips.net/video/xiQOAt9WryY/видео.html
@@the_r34_gtr your car looks very nice
@@Bird-nx5ef Thank you!!
Same here 550kw stock bottom end
would be an interesting vid comparing both on the drag strip.. another great info vid andrew good work!
Syvecs/Life Racing have been the reference for Motorsport traction and have been doing similar for years….mapping on slip v yaw / lateral g / speed. Recursive decay algorithm is key for smooth power. 12 traction maps all mappable against practically anything with variable gain, recursive decay and slip map adders. Gps track marker can change settings per track. 100hz GPS for ground / radar etc. I run these and the best thing about them is the traction system. It’s good that motec are doing the same.
Is the R33 instrument cluster @10:42 a digital dash or are my eyes playing tricks on me? It looks really nice, can you please tell me the link on where to find and for how much? I’m guessing it’s pretty expensive but it seems like a good upgrade to modernize the interior.
Motec c12 i think?
Could. You guys ask power tune what happened to their VR38(increased to 4.1L) AWD S15?
They showed some pictures on their facebook a couple of years ago.
He is one clever dude. How lucky we are to have him working in the automotive world
From the other comments in the video, seeing it work Cootamundra eg from memory the Huracan had the MoTec M142, and it was spot on.
When you talked about gtst's you explained my daily struggle. Awesome system, definitely something i need to look into further.
Feels bro 😂
you can hear it riding the dots, nice
Fancy seeing you hear Matt !
somehow i'm not surprised seeing you here, you are known to be a man of fine taste 👌
Nice! My aprilia tuono was very much the same as this system. Snap tc on a bike sends you into the sky. Good to see the tech on cars
car and truck manufactories... please take notes of this...
not only for a car.. i drive several big trucks for work.. and when i get off the highway and trying to make a turn on a speed witch i know the truck can do ( usually around 50 km/h, depending on the radius of the bend).. the traction controll and ESP kick in and start to apply the brakes.. that is something i dont want because i can feel the weight of the trailer pushing the truck to the outside of the corner witch makes it unsafe.. sometimes i floor it to override the ESP so it doesnt apply the brakes but only cuts power/boost with the TCS so the problem is not just HP and car related.. this can also be helpfull in trucks...
How is this channel not at 500k + subs by now. WTF.
Be awesome to see the two different dragy times form 100 to 200 with traction on and off
That was crazy! What an awesome company
Andrew the level of detail through the Motec Datalog is crazy. Totally makes we want Motec for my next project. Ryan certainly had some great experience there
The log they showed? That had hardly anything displayed, definitely nothing special
Very very interesting! Now give that man a Bell's ! Best product i have seen in a long time!
Did this in my BMW E30 10 years ago with Autronic, worked great :)
This is why *_MoTeC_* is the best 😎👍
Very cool, I feel like the GPS might be a bit hit or miss. Surprised they haven't implemented a laser speed sensor or something, not really sure what's available but surely that would be a more accurate way of getting an actual speed into the motec
Inertial nav sensors using kalman filtered sensor fusion are the correct answer for AWD systems.
Check out Andy Forrest talk about his AWD traction control system on his old 1500HP wrx WTAC. He uses GPS in combination with known change in speed for each wheel. If it exceeded the known ramp speed increase along with the GPS slowing it would know to begin its magic. It worked well for him. Amazing car
Maybe a Pitot tube will work
@@annakquinn7084 that would be a fun idea, though at such low speeds any wind would probably stuff the data around a fair bit
@@andrewlangford88 there’s solutions for low speed. Several Static pressure sensors around the car can take care of that by comparing the data. But good call!
How do we get our hands on this system! Also is this a motec specific thing or will it be available for haltechs
That’s exactly what I want to know Mathew
They mentioned any Motecs sold by Powertune will come with their custom traction management strategy built into the firmware.
Haltech is capable of the same strategy on some Elites (1500 & 2500) and Nexus, it's a matter of the time and knowledge to set it all up. The fact that Powertune are providing this with the Motec certainly makes it an attractive proposition.
It's kind of like the Motec System Exhaust... You'll never find one.
Awesome breakdown of the data! Would love to see this same test before and after with g forces to get before and after acceleration? Awesome!
Great stuff guys, results in the data look great
Ryan is very helpful. Good experience with him checking the tune on my car 👍
Man improving on Motec, now that’s special 💪 fantastic work guys!!
This is a great bit of tech for any skyline making enough power to constantly spin the wheels.... could this also be available on a haltech elite 2000 platform? Also where can I get a digital screen like what's in the gtr?
You'd need the T series (2500T for example).
@@2rismo right ✅.... I better start saving my penny's again 🙃
Just utilize your elite 2000... relate boost pressure to rpm, done.
@@briancostello2783 I just had this conversation with my tuner today....... he thinks he may have already have it set up to like this.... just need to get the car back to him once I've sorted a few other addition sensor inputs I want to add and put my Ross performance trigger kit on👍👍
@@briancostello2783 Hardly the same thing. Boost can be an incredibly slow way to control slip.
One of the main reasons I want to upgrade to one on my 370z twin turbo. 900whp is a dang handful.
Unreal guys. Motive showing the world auzzis leading the way. Cheers from nz
Cheeky box of brand new lenses in the back there bud. I just redid my lenses with them on my R33 GTR and they are super clean :)
Brilliant feature. Love this content.
Is this better than Syvecs traction control?
That little stretch of road is good fun, careful of the cops, they sometimes like to sit on the outside of the corner in front of the beige building.
Really interesting stuff, thanks. Love your content.
Love the videos good work keep it up
100% Impressive. Does this system allow different oversteer slip angles as gracefully as it manages traction?
what digital dash?
Does the GTR still have factory ABS and wheel speed sensors or secondary wheel speed sensors?
Factory
@@MotiveVideo Are the sensor split to both the ATTESA computer and Motec? Or is the Motec managing torque split duty cycle directly as well? (Or option 3 I suppose... is the Motec grabbing data via the ATTESA's Consult bus?)
@@brookwillard When in 4WD, the MoTeC controls the split directly. it does away with the factory ATTESA system.
12:04 that synced laugh says it all😂
Great video
Good work guys. 👍
Sounds the same as an AES Stage 3 fully active system. Set the backpressure on 0.25psi and it will constantly stay there. Have multiple settings for more noise reduction on the street. Active rules!!
Would like to upgrade my RB S30 to a decent traction control setup in the future, but I am not sure if you could run a good enough setup from a Link G4+ Extreme ECU. Best Link available when I built it but can it run something like this given that the Motec is twice the price and much newer.
Its quite driveable without traction control but I'm sure having traction control would make it so much quicker tough the first 3 gears and a massive difference in first.
Haltech Traction Control actually works too, Andrew.
@The Mayor I have Haltech 2500 Elite on my 34 Gtr, could I program something similar mate???
@@PHATT_TV Yeah you can. I called the guys at Haltech and they walked me through setting it up. Didn't cost me a cent either. Won't get that from Motec.
@@regunderground4585 I'm guessing you are getting the 'wont get that from motec' comment from hear-say. you should fact check yourself before posting 2nd hand info on the net.
Relate rpms to boost pressure. Your welcome :)
@@briancostello2783 that's not traction control brother
Amazing tech 👑👑
Looked up the website, only available for a focus lol and coyote for ford, no barra option?
Do you need the GPR package for your firmware to work?
Well I’ll be damned, this is pretty badass and Good news for my planned big boost gtst 😃🙌🔥 awesome tech and awesome video!
Is this can be put on a BMW with oem Dme???
I’d like to know the limit of this system. Can you put down 1000+ to the wheels on street tires ?
I run tractioncontrol in my 400-450whp mx5 turbo and its just epic when configured correctly. The car Just accelerates with the kind of control a high hp mx5 has no right to do :D
absolute magic tech
I'm super interested in the digital dash, is it a power tune dash using a custom image ?
This is a MoTeC C1212 dash, supplied by Powertune Australia. Not a cheap knockoff 'Powertune Digital' dash.
Open the wallet. Then open it again. It does look nice though
Why use GPS instead of dead reckoning for AWD?
what % slip do you find has the most grip? I try and stay around 11% with my mickey t et street r, i find they grip more with a little more wheel spin.
We found 5-10% depending on the car and tyre
What engine and turbo combo is this running
where I can get lsd nismo style dash as in r33?
I need this for my Civic
Come with their patented exhaust system?
that's gold
What dash is that R33 using? Looks way bigger than the powertune 7". I want it
It's a MoTeC dash.
@@MotiveVideo nice, any idea if it works with a link ECU? Or MoTeC only?
@@masamune2k3 it receives can data. The link has customisable can output. The motel dash costs a fuck load.
@@sexyfacenation yeah I found it and it's like 4k USD.
Does this kit work with the link g4
Its for MoTeC. Its software inside the ECU
Available for A80 Supra???
Yes
What is the gauge cluster in the R33?
MoTeC dash with custom skin
can you add this to the Link ECU range please :D
Love how the GTR has skinnier tyres than the Silvia funny as :)
Hows the head movement while banging gears haha.
How are you able to control a bigger power N/A motor like a 440 LS7? I've been trying timing retard (as far as 0°) and richening up the mixture as far as 10:1 but it's still not enough in 1st and 2nd. Is ignition cut my only option? Not running DBW just yet. Cheers.
That's exactly correct. Pulling timing is very limited to what you can actually achieved. This bloke talks about it like is a hidden secret. You can hear the car missing with timing cuts on first demo of traction control on.
Can you try this system on a hellcat?
If someone provides the hellcat and pays for it, sure
Are you guys the only company that has this type of traction system?
I love the video, dont get me wrong, but i hope NSW HWP dont see this video...
"Private Road". 😎👍
@@MafiaboysWorld use to drive up and down that private road everyday
@@blokebeershed7651 So, you know it's a "private road" too. 😉👍
@@MafiaboysWorld yep, I’m from Melbourne & know it’s a private road 👍🏽
Don’t you go to CRD anymore ?
They still do our R32 GT-R, yes
Is the powertune dude an independent dealer of MoTec- he's gone to the effort of writing this up but MoTec doesn't offer the code?
👍 thumbs up ;)
Bmw MHD does boost per gear or torque per gear then via tunerpro throttle closure intensity.
As a standard car BMW traction control is fairly sensitive but i guess they have to for the average driver who hits snow or water on the Autobarn at 180
But hitting snow or water at 180 on the Autobahn is more of an antilock braking and accident avoidance system issue than Traction Control used for maximum acceleration with minimal tyre slip.
Awesome 👍👍
Cool as fuck. This was promised 10yrs ago with vbox TC. We gotta get on top of this shit! EV is here and is no joke. We need more software ppl in this space. I love EV’s, but we gotta treat ICE like rocket engines; extract max value with software
So sick !
If I only had an unlimited budget, my GTR would have all this and more….I think we all wish that, right?!?
It would be easier to see the difference if the same camera angle had been used between no traction control and with traction control.
how? we have data
@@MotiveVideo I just mean visually, from the perspective of a person watching the video. I could see it swerving with no traction control when looking out the windshield, but with traction control on we were just watching Andrew primarily and what we could see out the window to the side wasn’t as good for seeing how straight the car was or wasn’t going.
damn im about to switch from haltech to motech
12:01 nice neck moves
Very interesting!
Dear Santa….
damn Andrew! I see that 53 second lap at Dream Racing, that's a serious time there! gg
Andrew has done a low 51 there
@@MotiveVideo daaaang! that's definitely one of the fastest times anyone has run there to my knowledge. next time he's in Vegas, we should have a little friendly challenge! coming out for SEMA? ;)
Unlikely borders will be open this year unfortunately
@@MotiveVideo buuu, but what can ya do. *shakes fist at pandemic* next year it is!
ROB DAHM HAS ENTERRDED THE CHAT
Have a shave ya bum :P
Great video mate!
Idk that pull in 240 after Trac control on sounded very rubbish like not smooth love what your doing but idk
Because of timing being pulled and some ignition cuts.
I want that for my gtst has to be cheaper than converting to awd 🤣
Wish it was a stand alone.Cant afford the 5k for a motec ecu
Agreed
Use your ecu of choice and relate rpms to boost pressure. Your welcome 😂
Otherwise wheel-speed sensor and drive by wire would be another go too option
Sounds pricey but with time will get affordable I bet
MoTec are one of the most expensive if not the most expensive brand out there for a reason. 😎👍 I remember getting a quote from PowerTune for an M130GPA+Wiring for Crustida, an easy way to spend over $7K in one hit. 😳
@@MafiaboysWorld wow, $7k really? Maybe 🤔 I’ll just still with my Haltech 2500
@@PHATT_TV Yeah, I went with Wolf myself. 😂👍
Good stuff mate 👍but have you seen fuel tech 👏
yes
I guess for competition or cash based runs, this makes sense but otherwise. This is for people that can't setup their car.
BMW MDM mode says hello
I knew it was motec, least promoted but the best ecu's
Power is nothing without control.