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One thing you have missed is the bed at the reveal had T type tie downs for the length of the bed. Granted, they have put a tie down rail on each side of the vault but i thought the original idea was a lot more functional. I can guess why they didn't use that design because it originally looked like the T channels were milled into the bed. Much cheaper now to just have a stamped steel bed.
They failed on range. They failed on payload. And they failed on price. Yes it’s a nice truck but it really doesn’t meet the criteria needed for towing and camping. I was very disappointed.
As someone in the trades, it makes a lot of sense that Tesla did not provide a compressed air port. The compressor needed for the suspension is small, and using it to provide air for tools or other uses would necessitate a larger compressor, thus adding weight, shortening service life, and adding cost to the vehicle for people who may never use a compressor. Better to purchase the compressor sized for your equipment needs, and use the power outlet to run it.
- the addition of air port would be nice simply to allow OEM ability to inflate or deflate tyres at will without needing an HF Accessory (As a tradesperson - you know that the real compressor lives in the trailer, not the bed of the "boss's - fake tough-truck)....
Those price hikes are sure to break a lot of hearts. However, the Dual Motor version is still a bit of a "deal" for those that can cough up that much dough. It's certainly a step above the F-150 Lightening and the R1T from Rivian.
You forgot to mention the 800V Battery architecture that is split into 2-400V units, making it faster to charge, the 48V Full electric control architecture and the extensive use of CAN, and that the body is still bulletproof, among other things. For me, the CT, the most advanced and safest vehicle ever, is the best Bang for the Buck, but lamentably, my reservation # is over 1.2 million............
If Tesla fans were being honest they'd admit that Tesla has really whiffed on this. While they've added a bunch of little fripperies, this is a truck and the only real important things are price, range and payload/towing. They've massively underperformed on ALL of these key measures, almost across the entire lineup. Pretty much the only key specs met were range & towing for the two lower specs. - Prices are up; 53%, 60% and 43% (and no, "inflation" doesn't cut it,.. 3/Y/S/X are pretty much as low as they were then, or lower!) - Payload is down 30% across the board - Tri-Motor Range is down 44% and towing is down 22% When you're missing your key metrics by 50%, you've done messed up.
"Massively underperformed" compared to.... The "competition"? Carries more, pulls harder, range, in the ballpark (to be confirmed) Yours was a lot of waffle for not much substance.
@@rogerstarkey5390 underperformed compared to the PROMISES,.. ...you know, basically what this entire video was about. And talk about waffle, you're the poster child for that. I provided figures, you provided a typical fact free kneejerk Elon simp rage attack.
@@rogerstarkey5390 underperformed to stated spec's that garnered millions of reservations basically interest free loans from people who thought the specs would be met. Tesla marketing really is the scummiest, just look at their juvenile product line up people think have a funny/cool acronym...
Those critics' should be concentrating on the plans of others, generally announced ±2021, due to be ready 2024/ 2025, but now "delayed". That'll be 4+ years? Do their "fanboys" have suitable excuses? Probably..... Interest rates? Economy? Market variables? Battery supply? Parts supply? . All of which Tesla encountered, plus "something else"? Can't quite remember...... 🤔
People who say this vehicle is too expensive just can't afford it or have no perception of value. You get what you pay for. 90% of people do not drive 500 miles per day and do not want to pay for extra weight and or range when we have a robust supercharging network
Let's be real ever since the 4680 ramp delay and lackluster 4680 model Y test result, we all know that the promised specs and price at launch would not be close to the reality. That is not a problem if they can actually ramp up the production as there will still be enough demand just for the novelty factor alone. But if say by mid 2024 they still can't deliver it in thousands per month, then it would indeed be a fail.
Time will tell Tesla is running more and more lines in the 4680 factory to get more. I’m not sure how many each line can make, it’s not a lot. Tesla is having major issues making 4680’s.
And look at just how much battery they didn't manage to fit under the CT, with the 4680. How did Ford manage to fit the same capacity LFP battery under the lightening and have room for a spare wheel? And look at the size of the 50kwh. range extender. None of it screams 10% more energy density and greater volumetric efficiency to me. I look forward to the day when we see this product independently tested.
I for one am very disappointed in the price and range of this truck. I do not need a performance truck! I want a great work truck! Much of the expense is incurred by the drive by wire system and 48-volt systems architecture. I do not care about it because it does not make it a better truck. If these innovations made it less expensive to make and added to the utility of this truck then great. But now I am being asked to pay a premium for features I did not want and for a battery, the AT has yet to perform as they (tesla) want it or need it to. This battery tech was supposed to be way ahead of where it is now. I am sure that in the future the 4680 will become better, but it seems to be the most at fault for why these are as expensive and range-limited as they are. Again I remain very disappointed having waited 4 years.
@@dkositsky For all the who ha about all of the technology and performance, everybody seems to have forgotten what a truck is and what you use them for. No spare wheel well, no spare wheel and the "range extender" (engineering afterthought) battery taking up the best part of half the tray and knocking the payload down to between about 1500lbs-1750lbs, it doesn't cut it as a truck anymore. It's just a really big high performance drag car at that point. I really don't know who's going to buy these. I'd love to know how many cancellations there have been.
Tesla needs to add four grab bars at each door opening to help enter and exit and for off-road driving. Tesla should have added a larger pack for the dual & Tri motor models so towing would not take such a big hit in range loss.
One of the big features lost is the missing electric outlets in the front. In a working environment, it is a real loss. An air compressor would have been very useful too, even a small one. Easy to add as an accessory, but use cargo space. Easy to understand engineering decisions for the compressor, but not so much for the outlets.
@@rogerstarkey5390 it is true that the front outlet was not promised. Neither is the compressed air. As a working vehicle, front outlet will be very good. As an RV, a small air compressor will be very practical. Tesla engineers has done an outstanding job with the CT. Those complaints are very minors ones and are surely not a deal breaker. All in all, Tesla did their absolute best with the CT. And they succeed.
Accessories available from any harbour freight (etc)- or from Tesla directly, with a Big T - and a Gig-$$ (less for more, of course, inflation and expectations collide). 0-60 mph times - should just use Vbox times to replicate what every Joe in their car gets - "Off the line" at the lights - using their phone as a makeshift VBox... (Dragracing output - Just state the 1/4 mile times (rollout assumed)).
Tesla told you a long time ago that the footprint was smaller than an F150 (similar cab spec). Still has 7" more on the bed though (apparently "size matters")
Trucks are about three things. A wide range of pricing from afordable to fancy trims. Long range. Towing. This is the Ford F-150 Hybrid with max towing. Adorable pricing, 700 mile range, 12,500 pound towing.
Since this truck is basically a lifestyle vehicle, someone in the aftermarket world will need to design a removable swingarm in the back that'll hold a spare tire, a gas generator, and about 10 gallons of fuel. It needs to be easily removeable because it won't be needed 95% of the time. But when someone plans to go offroad, simply attach the swingarm on to the back. A generator will be needed as a range extender because the electric range alone isn't enough for offroad.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Why reply "BS"? I'm simply making a suggestion on what the aftermarket needs to design to make this vehicle useful for offroad adventures. Are you claiming that the range is so good that people are not going to need a generator/range extender? Or that it's silly to bring a spare tire when going deep in the backcountry? I'm assuming you don't have much backcountry offroad experience, so you don't realize what happens to your range when going offroad. It'll be a fraction of what's reported. Also, many backcountry offroad adventures that people like doing are multiply days. Places like the Maze in Canyonlands is what come to mind. Good luck finding a supercharger there.
@@WildernessExcursionspay him no mind, that guys been all over this comment section doing everything he can to put down the CT. Might even be paid by the gasoline competition. Either way, your suggestions are valid and make great sense. I was wondering if it would even be a nice idea to pull a large Lincoln welder/generator trailer behind the CT to your destination in order to unhitch, go off-roading, and then be able to charge at 220v+
I wish it was cheaper and i wanted to get the tri motor....but as an engineer...i get it. The dual motor for roughly the same cost is still great value.
There is no excuse that I accept for a 60% increase in price. You can blame inflation, supply chain, etc. I have an AWD reservation, and the only reason I'm not instantly cancelling it is that I'm ~400k in line, and I'm hoping for a price reduction by then. They over promised, underdelivered, and still jacked the price up way beyond reason. I still think the CT is really cool, but I am genuinely disappointed in Tesla at the moment.
It’s been four years people we had a whole pandemic basically a life crisis and y’all are crying about prices we didn’t know the cyber truck was going to be bulletproof have steer by wire or four-wheel-drive and much more. I’ll definitely drive this truck with no problem 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Elon is not correct about side mirrors. Not all states allow removal of side mirrors. Until laws catch up with technology, you still need side mirrors in most states.
Seeing the nerfed production model at nearly double the price made it extremely easy to cancel my order. They should have just canceled the whole truck if they could not deliver on the hype.
The only "disappointment" for me is price... but it's the usual story... New ones are sparse and high end. In a couple of years they will be "stamping" them out at speed. All in all, Tesla's done an amazing amount of work on the truck. I'd like an LFP option with V2G - I don't do long-hauls and will be city constrained.
As additional info on the price increase...just some things to consider / be aware of, for those wondering why. Since 2019 the price of Lithium has doubled. (And this is much better than a year ago.) The price of the Aluminum has gone up about 25%. (castings) The cost of the Rolled Steel used has gone up about 30%. Even Copper, which they reduced as much as they could with the 48V architecture, is up about 50% from 2019. And these are global prices that do not account for the inflation of the last couple of years here in the states. [Not a jab at OP, just additional info for those reading these comments to consider.]
For Teslas, that’s 11.5 OUTPUT. Meaning electricity can come OUT from the Cybertruck to run things like your house, charge other EVS, etc. Does the ford have this ability?
@@TomFlord100% they do and it was promoted a lot when it first went on sale. Variety of videos of people doing it as well. It can automatically switch over (truck check box item) or you can do it from the phone amp. Many are surmising that Tesla is just using comments from the powerwall.
I think the word I object to is "promised". When a prototype is made, very often the specs and features of the production version will be different than the prototype. I don't see those initial specs and features as being promised. If anything was promised, it was the Cybertruck, and we got it.
That's what I thought too! But Elon literally stood on stage saying it will have this and that... and all his simps bought it all up and shouted at each other in their echo chambers till those made up spec's in 2019 became cemented
Announcing a plan to me is not a promise. Supply chain issues, available battery technology as well as the time and effort Elon and his people expended, was worth the wait. 48Volt tech, Ethernet communication, 4 wheel steering, steer by wire capability and bi-directional charging are items not identified in the original reveal in 2019. I personally a very grateful for the leading edge technology that comes with the Cybertruck. Yes, it cost more than I wanted and does not have the range that I wanted, but just as everything else in life, compromise rules and I’m looking forward to receiving my Cybertruck, hopefully sooner than later.
Can we all stop mis-using "promise" for such things? Listing what they were shooting for with specs is NOT a promise. Words matter. Did it fall short of initial specs? Yes, no question about it. This whole 'promise' business is simply not the case.
I'm curious if Tesla, or any other manufacturer for that matter, ever use the word "Promise" at their announcement events. It seems the lawyers would push them to use the word "Estimated". But I see many articles, posts, and videos talking about what Elon and/or Tesla "Promised". Was there any language in the announcement that could be interpreted as a "Promise"?
I'd check if I could be bothered. Notice that nobody is screaming about the "EV pullback" announced by .... "Everyone else" over the last few weeks? . The reaction is "Oooo! EVs aren't selling! The economy!! Good nice slowing down guys!!" 👍👋👋👋 . Tesla delays during a generational crisis and it's "OMG! LATE!!" . I'd laugh if it wasn't so pathetic
@@rogerstarkey5390isn’t it obvious? People aren’t buying other EV’s because they’re waiting for their new Cybertruck. I’ve literally been waiting for my pre-order since 2019, and will continue to wait until I get my damn Cybertruck. NOTHING will stop me from getting it. NOTHING! YOU HEAR ME?!
The original specifications were not promises but goals that they would attempt to achieve they will continue to improve the product to ultimately get to these goals or even beyond. 🌵 peace
The over promises and under deliveries are a bummer, but I still think it’s chock full of hi-tech and will sell at these prices to “early adopters” as did the car models. Tesla undoubtedly will lower prices as demand slows next year and will attract back some of the previously dismayed customers. I expect Tesla has a few rabbits in the form of tech advances in their hat to pull out, but don’t know what they could be, other than range and/or power boosts and maybe stronger glass. We shall see.
Have to agree. If you look at the price drops for the Model S Plaid from just 2 years ago. you're looking at (I believe) over 30K in price drops just in 2 years.
"generational global crisis" during development? WHAT "Generational Crisis"? . smh. . Now, look at the timelines if other "factory builds an new product development " and factor in the recent "EV pullback" by others. What's their estimated total project time now? (My bet 4 years or longer from announcement to first production?) . Level playing field? Anyone?
TY imperial is fine, but in this context. It’s a noun often metrics. A standard for measuring or evaluating something, especially one that uses figures or statistics.
10:22 Who is this CT customer? I'm sure that I recognise his face from some past public video somewhere. Google image search does not show me anything; Yandex offers some close suggestions.
I am far from a Tesla fanboy but follow the company nonetheless. I keep seeing that "promises" were broken. But, is that REALLY the case. Or, is there a concerted effort to keep this guy down? What a company who is re-inventing the pickup expects, hopes, wants dreams that will be the final product is not a "promise".
Over promised and under delivered. "This guy" lied to you bro! "... this is something that we can do today..." 4 years later this is what we get! Elizabeth Holmes had hopes and dreams too!
price was the biggest disappointment for me. i was just about barely able to afford their RWD 250mi $40k version but now it's $60k, so i can kiss that good bye. Everything else i really don't care about. So when you said extra features is worth the $20k higher price, i'd say, big fat NO.I really don't care about all the 'cool' extra features. Take them all away, gimme my $40k truck instead!
So literally every single feature is significantly below the promised specs at an absurdly higher price, but the cult wants to suck the head scammer more than ever… 🤣
Tesla failed to deliver on the more important specs from its 2019 debut. These obviously are range, payload, and price. The other gimmicks, being bulletproof, having a needless 48 volt system, 4 wheel steering, and being very fast off the line are designed to attract its new customer target. The suburban family that ventures to the outlet mall every weekend and on occasion will go camping.
The bulletproof is not a wanted feature (the body is “bulletproof”, but not the glass, so, not the “absolute truth”. For the 48 volts, it is not needless. On the contrary, this change everything. And the standard 4 wheels steering is a game changer too.
The CT bed length depends on where you measure. Along the floor it is 72.08”. You go up a foot off the floor and it is about 66”. So the bed is not a true 6’ bed. If you took a 6’ long box that was 18 inches tall it would not fit into the bed. You would have to lower the tailgate.
Carry the 6 foot or 9 foot long box with the tailgate in the lowered position. Then tie it down. That's what millions of pickup truck owners have been doing for the last 100 years. 8 foot or 10 foot lumber, posts, boards and sheet material can be carried in a short bed truck with the material resting on the top of the closed tailgate. Otherwise, lower the tailgate, slide in your sheetrock or plywood, strap in the back end of the material with a couple of tie-downs and off you go. People do this with pickups every day in America. If you've owned and actually used a truck, you wouldn't have made such a comment.
What's the definition of a true 6' bed then? Cause from the specs NONE of the other trucks listed have a 72" length with the tailgate up. You know what else CT doesn't have in the bed? Wheel wells.
@@paradigmshift7 agreed but I can shove plenty of stuff in bed around wheel wells in regular bed. Much more Cubic feet storage that's how evey single car storage capacity been calculated for decades. All the sudden we start caring about truck bed length only.
@@8bajwa8 Depends what you're hauling for sure, but if your new standard is total volume, then how much cubic feet of storage is lost by those wheel wells?
@@paradigmshift7 how about we talk about how manny cubic feet we gain around wheel wells including on top off wheels. So every tesla fan going to ingnor waste of bed space in Ct and point out wheel wells.
I was interested until I decided the cybertruck was a bad financial decision for me. Now I don't want to hear about it. Just like I don't want to hear about superyachts I can't afford or very affordable islands I can't afford or beautiful supermodels who have no interest in me or luxury vacations I am not going on or beautiful mansions that I could only afford if someone accidentally loaned me more money than I can pay back or investments I am already too late to get in on. Enough. The better it is the less I want to hear about it.
The truck is a great vehicle ... but ... BUT ... The price is just too high. I still have a reservation in for the dual motor version and hope springs eternal that by the time my number comes up, production will have ramped to the point where Elon lowers the price to a reasonable level. I don't think that will happen, but I hope so. Until then, the truck is out of reach for me at least.
I used to be a Tesla fanboy in 2016. I followed Elon when he had less than a million followers. I think Tesla fanboys eventually outgrow it like I did. Elon is a bit of a con artist. Always lying about the product and never delivering on time. I think this truck is a flop before it's even out. Overpriced. Nowhere near the range it was promised. Tesla has failed its customers. It's a cool design but so what. It's not affordable or game changing. Better luck next time.
Besides, what criminals shoot at the door when they can shoot at the window? Making a big deal out of how the car was "bullet proof" are so childish, appealing to 13 year old bois, Elon Musk have an incredible vulgar sense of humour
You act like the price and the lack of the promised range are no big deal. Those things are the most important things. Yes, the tech is great and cool. But seriously, you are giving Elon and Tesla a pass. They promised a certain range. They promised a certain price. Even with inflation the prices are way more than advertised. I feel lied to. It was just a way to get preorders.
Pre-order $100. Wow, big spender. Roadster pre-order $200,000 odd. If you don’t like $60,000, wait 2-3 years. We don’t even know if that’s cost price, when break even will be - end 2024, mid 2025?
Biased analysis. Start off by minimizing the pre to post is putting people's bias for what you are about to say instead of letting the audience formulate their own. For cost you forgot to mention that on top of increased prices, you must add-in additional $20k they are charging for their so called founders addition. I order the tri-miter in 2019 for $79k and receive the email to purchase this for $119k. My AMGs are way better on every thing this has to offer and if tesla wants to charge more they have to compete with everything in that price category. For instance, if a Volt cost $30k and then it went to $70k (this is the increased cost jump like Tesla is doing for founders addition) then someone that was looking to purchase a Volt now is looking at all the other cars in that $70k range and wondering why buy a Volt.
Not sure Tesla ever said a mid gate was possible. I’m not sure but GM might have a patent on that. Also not sure it’s even a possibility with the roll up tonneau cover.
It is hanging out with the midgate from the SIlverado. Not sure if one can have a midgate an a power tonneau cover. That cover also comes out of the box space.
The towing rating is bases on the truck tires, brakes and I believe weight. When you hook it to a sled at a truck pull none of that matters other than weight.
Where would you put the solar and still be able to jump up and down on the cover. Its either one or the other leave the rear vulnerable to break in or have Solar roll up collectors. When it comes to pulling ??? It out pulled a HD 350 but they rated it to 11000. Muat be for a specific reason like too much ware and tear. Try runing your company in 20% inflation Economy and not raise your prices.
😢the customer is the guy who can buy the trimotor and wave the bird at the world!! Wants a tough car and would buy a Lamberginni if he could but this will do but I am not that guy. I do not need drive by we're or 48 volt. I want great batteries with great range for the weight. I will pay a premium but tesla's cybertruck is not yet ready for prime time. I do not want to pay this premium knowing that next years modlr will be cheaper and better!
@@StinkPickle4000 Ah StinkPickle a tow rating and a Truck pull have little to do with each other. The tow rating is the load one can tow all day long sort of thing. More to do with brakes, tires load rating, load distribution and the frame. The truck pull is about getting power to the ground. Tire pattern/traction and vehicle HP/Torque.
I'm afraid that you are splitting hairs and not mentioning the fantastic new technology that this vehicle delivers. This is a revolutionary vehicle and sorry, but I think your review entirely misses that. I believe that probably some of the things that Tesla wanted to deliver in this truck proved too expensive and/or very difficult to manufacture.
Fantastic new technology? All I see are gimmicks that needlessly increased the cost and delayed the project. Revolutionary for drive by wire, all-wheel steering and 48 volt accessories? Sorry bro the tech existed long before Tesla told you about them.
What fantastic new tech inside it's anoter tesla sheap commercially avalaiable 3mm stainless steel coems with pre scratched and sometimes dented renge nowhare the claimed range price is 30+ % more.
It’s predicted things that may or may not happen either make one that’s better or buy a ford or a rivian there u go simple Either way it’s going to sell that’s what I tell everyone Bro u don’t like Tesla drive a Honda accord or a ford lol drive a beetle bro lol 😅😅😂😂😂 it’s fine Tesla will lose no sleep I’m still buying it
Take tesla out of equation. Then it is worst ev as of 2023 standerd. Wait till real consumer review start pouring in. If it is delivered with good yaer 35s as shown range at 70 mph going to be 250ish for dual motor. Best it will do 2.3 miles per kwh.
If a steel ball was thrown at ANY other vehicle's window, the window would have shattered into many hundreds of pieces. The fact that in 2019, the window did NOT shatter, and instead was just smashed, was a selling point. Elon even said at the time "at least it didn't shatter" but he said it as an afterthought as opposed to saying it proudly as a selling point. And the fact that today's CT windows are made of Gorilla Glass is a selling point.
It is a shame that when you mentioned the price increase, you failed to mention the biden economics skyrocketing inflation rate, skyrocketing interest rates, employees increased wages.... over the last 4 or so years. Also go out and do some window shopping to see what a comparable or as close as you can get truck from legacy auto dealers would cost you. When you do, these prices are not bad.
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Do we know what the home charging rate will be? 80amp?
Why do you claim Tesla promised anything at the reveal in 2019??
One thing you have missed is the bed at the reveal had T type tie downs for the length of the bed. Granted, they have put a tie down rail on each side of the vault but i thought the original idea was a lot more functional. I can guess why they didn't use that design because it originally looked like the T channels were milled into the bed. Much cheaper now to just have a stamped steel bed.
They failed on range. They failed on payload. And they failed on price. Yes it’s a nice truck but it really doesn’t meet the criteria needed for towing and camping. I was very disappointed.
As someone in the trades, it makes a lot of sense that Tesla did not provide a compressed air port. The compressor needed for the suspension is small, and using it to provide air for tools or other uses would necessitate a larger compressor, thus adding weight, shortening service life, and adding cost to the vehicle for people who may never use a compressor. Better to purchase the compressor sized for your equipment needs, and use the power outlet to run it.
- the addition of air port would be nice simply to allow OEM ability to inflate or deflate tyres at will without needing an HF Accessory (As a tradesperson - you know that the real compressor lives in the trailer, not the bed of the "boss's - fake tough-truck)....
I don't recall if 4 wheel steering with steer by wire was on the specs in 2019. That is a major feature upgrade.
Those price hikes are sure to break a lot of hearts. However, the Dual Motor version is still a bit of a "deal" for those that can cough up that much dough. It's certainly a step above the F-150 Lightening and the R1T from Rivian.
You forgot to mention the 800V Battery architecture that is split into 2-400V units, making it faster to charge, the 48V Full electric control architecture and the extensive use of CAN, and that the body is still bulletproof, among other things. For me, the CT, the most advanced and safest vehicle ever, is the best Bang for the Buck, but lamentably, my reservation # is over 1.2 million............
More than "faster" the split charge makes it "versatile"
(Ref the Lucid debacle)
If Tesla fans were being honest they'd admit that Tesla has really whiffed on this.
While they've added a bunch of little fripperies, this is a truck and the only real important things are price, range and payload/towing. They've massively underperformed on ALL of these key measures, almost across the entire lineup. Pretty much the only key specs met were range & towing for the two lower specs.
- Prices are up; 53%, 60% and 43% (and no, "inflation" doesn't cut it,.. 3/Y/S/X are pretty much as low as they were then, or lower!)
- Payload is down 30% across the board
- Tri-Motor Range is down 44% and towing is down 22%
When you're missing your key metrics by 50%, you've done messed up.
Tesla didn't 'whiff'. It was covid. 2 years out of everyone's life.
"Massively underperformed" compared to.... The "competition"?
Carries more, pulls harder, range, in the ballpark (to be confirmed)
Yours was a lot of waffle for not much substance.
@@rogerstarkey5390
underperformed compared to the PROMISES,..
...you know, basically what this entire video was about.
And talk about waffle, you're the poster child for that. I provided figures, you provided a typical fact free kneejerk Elon simp rage attack.
Lmao you had the chance to the right acronym but you missed it S/3/X/Y
@@rogerstarkey5390 underperformed to stated spec's that garnered millions of reservations basically interest free loans from people who thought the specs would be met. Tesla marketing really is the scummiest, just look at their juvenile product line up people think have a funny/cool acronym...
They did add a lot of features, as well as sacrificing a few key attributes. It's been a very difficult fours years, if the critics haven't noticed.
Those critics' should be concentrating on the plans of others, generally announced ±2021, due to be ready 2024/ 2025, but now "delayed".
That'll be 4+ years? Do their "fanboys" have suitable excuses?
Probably.....
Interest rates?
Economy?
Market variables?
Battery supply?
Parts supply?
.
All of which Tesla encountered, plus "something else"? Can't quite remember...... 🤔
People who say this vehicle is too expensive just can't afford it or have no perception of value. You get what you pay for. 90% of people do not drive 500 miles per day and do not want to pay for extra weight and or range when we have a robust supercharging network
yes, and tesla knew that back then. so they shouldnt have said 500 miles. if i want 500 miles, give me that option without losing bed volume.
Let's be real ever since the 4680 ramp delay and lackluster 4680 model Y test result, we all know that the promised specs and price at launch would not be close to the reality. That is not a problem if they can actually ramp up the production as there will still be enough demand just for the novelty factor alone. But if say by mid 2024 they still can't deliver it in thousands per month, then it would indeed be a fail.
Time will tell Tesla is running more and more lines in the 4680 factory to get more. I’m not sure how many each line can make, it’s not a lot. Tesla is having major issues making 4680’s.
And look at just how much battery they didn't manage to fit under the CT, with the 4680. How did Ford manage to fit the same capacity LFP battery under the lightening and have room for a spare wheel? And look at the size of the 50kwh. range extender. None of it screams 10% more energy density and greater volumetric efficiency to me.
I look forward to the day when we see this product independently tested.
I for one am very disappointed in the price and range of this truck. I do not need a performance truck! I want a great work truck! Much of the expense is incurred by the drive by wire system and 48-volt systems architecture. I do not care about it because it does not make it a better truck. If these innovations made it less expensive to make and added to the utility of this truck then great. But now I am being asked to pay a premium for features I did not want and for a battery, the AT has yet to perform as they (tesla) want it or need it to. This battery tech was supposed to be way ahead of where it is now. I am sure that in the future the 4680 will become better, but it seems to be the most at fault for why these are as expensive and range-limited as they are. Again I remain very disappointed having waited 4 years.
@@dkositsky For all the who ha about all of the technology and performance, everybody seems to have forgotten what a truck is and what you use them for.
No spare wheel well, no spare wheel and the "range extender" (engineering afterthought) battery taking up the best part of half the tray and knocking the payload down to between about 1500lbs-1750lbs, it doesn't cut it as a truck anymore. It's just a really big high performance drag car at that point. I really don't know who's going to buy these. I'd love to know how many cancellations there have been.
@@dkositskyoh, Ye, of little faith. . .
I already spotted the first video showing those sweet "stainless steel" body panels rusting. And the Tesla warranty does not cover that.
Nice lie bro! Keep up the good work!🤡
Tesla needs to add four grab bars at each door opening to help enter and exit and for off-road driving.
Tesla should have added a larger pack for the dual & Tri motor models so towing would not take such a big hit in range loss.
Great point. How did they miss that?
@@AudiTTQuattro2003
What?
Specify
nailed it. i just sat in the truck in a showroom, and that was my first thought.
One of the big features lost is the missing electric outlets in the front. In a working environment, it is a real loss. An air compressor would have been very useful too, even a small one. Easy to add as an accessory, but use cargo space. Easy to understand engineering decisions for the compressor, but not so much for the outlets.
"lost"?
Were they ever specified?
@@rogerstarkey5390 it is true that the front outlet was not promised. Neither is the compressed air. As a working vehicle, front outlet will be very good. As an RV, a small air compressor will be very practical. Tesla engineers has done an outstanding job with the CT. Those complaints are very minors ones and are surely not a deal breaker. All in all, Tesla did their absolute best with the CT. And they succeed.
Accessories available from any harbour freight (etc)- or from Tesla directly, with a Big T - and a Gig-$$ (less for more, of course, inflation and expectations collide).
0-60 mph times - should just use Vbox times to replicate what every Joe in their car gets - "Off the line" at the lights - using their phone as a makeshift VBox... (Dragracing output - Just state the 1/4 mile times (rollout assumed)).
Didn't you see the the (independent) tests using a V box (or similar)?
Thanks for this. I saw one on the road a couple of weeks ago and it was much smaller than I was expecting. Now I know why.
Tesla told you a long time ago that the footprint was smaller than an F150 (similar cab spec).
Still has 7" more on the bed though (apparently "size matters")
Our cat is 20 lb and he's not overweight but he would love riding on the dash of the cybertruck
Trucks are about three things. A wide range of pricing from afordable to fancy trims.
Long range.
Towing.
This is the Ford F-150 Hybrid with max towing. Adorable pricing, 700 mile range, 12,500 pound towing.
Zzzzzzz
One problem. Ford sucks.
Since this truck is basically a lifestyle vehicle, someone in the aftermarket world will need to design a removable swingarm in the back that'll hold a spare tire, a gas generator, and about 10 gallons of fuel. It needs to be easily removeable because it won't be needed 95% of the time. But when someone plans to go offroad, simply attach the swingarm on to the back. A generator will be needed as a range extender because the electric range alone isn't enough for offroad.
BS
@@rogerstarkey5390 Why reply "BS"? I'm simply making a suggestion on what the aftermarket needs to design to make this vehicle useful for offroad adventures. Are you claiming that the range is so good that people are not going to need a generator/range extender? Or that it's silly to bring a spare tire when going deep in the backcountry? I'm assuming you don't have much backcountry offroad experience, so you don't realize what happens to your range when going offroad. It'll be a fraction of what's reported. Also, many backcountry offroad adventures that people like doing are multiply days. Places like the Maze in Canyonlands is what come to mind. Good luck finding a supercharger there.
@@WildernessExcursionspay him no mind, that guys been all over this comment section doing everything he can to put down the CT. Might even be paid by the gasoline competition.
Either way, your suggestions are valid and make great sense. I was wondering if it would even be a nice idea to pull a large Lincoln welder/generator trailer behind the CT to your destination in order to unhitch, go off-roading, and then be able to charge at 220v+
I wish it was cheaper and i wanted to get the tri motor....but as an engineer...i get it. The dual motor for roughly the same cost is still great value.
The dual has a probable advantage of mechanical locking diffs front and rear (if that's in your use envelope)
There is no excuse that I accept for a 60% increase in price. You can blame inflation, supply chain, etc. I have an AWD reservation, and the only reason I'm not instantly cancelling it is that I'm ~400k in line, and I'm hoping for a price reduction by then.
They over promised, underdelivered, and still jacked the price up way beyond reason. I still think the CT is really cool, but I am genuinely disappointed in Tesla at the moment.
Pricing- 😢 - it eclipses everything else, at least for myself
wait a year or 2 and prices will come down by 10k -20k with better ranges
Cast your mind back to the Lightning launch.... Then think about the price hikes?
It’s been four years people we had a whole pandemic basically a life crisis and y’all are crying about prices we didn’t know the cyber truck was going to be bulletproof have steer by wire or four-wheel-drive and much more. I’ll definitely drive this truck with no problem 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
You forgot about promised look through aluminium windows.
With rear wheel steering, you can park anywhere. It will park itself. . .
Elon is not correct about side mirrors. Not all states allow removal of side mirrors. Until laws catch up with technology, you still need side mirrors in most states.
camera mirrors have been a thing for a couple decades now its not a matter of laws catching up its a matter of not wanting them
Is a huge bomber I had to cancel my order, they removed so much and the most important one the mileage. 😤
You read the 0-60 2019 vs now backwards.
Seeing the nerfed production model at nearly double the price made it extremely easy to cancel my order. They should have just canceled the whole truck if they could not deliver on the hype.
The only "disappointment" for me is price... but it's the usual story... New ones are sparse and high end. In a couple of years they will be "stamping" them out at speed. All in all, Tesla's done an amazing amount of work on the truck. I'd like an LFP option with V2G - I don't do long-hauls and will be city constrained.
As additional info on the price increase...just some things to consider / be aware of, for those wondering why.
Since 2019 the price of Lithium has doubled. (And this is much better than a year ago.)
The price of the Aluminum has gone up about 25%. (castings)
The cost of the Rolled Steel used has gone up about 30%.
Even Copper, which they reduced as much as they could with the 48V architecture, is up about 50% from 2019.
And these are global prices that do not account for the inflation of the last couple of years here in the states.
[Not a jab at OP, just additional info for those reading these comments to consider.]
@Clark-Mills
You don't understand LFP?
Where is the laser to "zap" rain drops?
Don't forget the insurance you gotta pay
It will be HUGE!!!!!!!
7:20 FYI, it looks like the corresponding Ford option is 19.2 kW (vs 11.5 Tesla) -- 240v 80 amps
For Teslas, that’s 11.5 OUTPUT. Meaning electricity can come OUT from the Cybertruck to run things like your house, charge other EVS, etc. Does the ford have this ability?
@@TomFlord100% they do and it was promoted a lot when it first went on sale. Variety of videos of people doing it as well. It can automatically switch over (truck check box item) or you can do it from the phone amp. Many are surmising that Tesla is just using comments from the powerwall.
I think the word I object to is "promised". When a prototype is made, very often the specs and features of the production version will be different than the prototype. I don't see those initial specs and features as being promised. If anything was promised, it was the Cybertruck, and we got it.
That's fair.
That's what I thought too! But Elon literally stood on stage saying it will have this and that... and all his simps bought it all up and shouted at each other in their echo chambers till those made up spec's in 2019 became cemented
Announcing a plan to me is not a promise. Supply chain issues, available battery technology as well as the time and effort Elon and his people expended, was worth the wait. 48Volt tech, Ethernet communication, 4 wheel steering, steer by wire capability and bi-directional charging are items not identified in the original reveal in 2019. I personally a very grateful for the leading edge technology that comes with the Cybertruck. Yes, it cost more than I wanted and does not have the range that I wanted, but just as everything else in life, compromise rules and I’m looking forward to receiving my Cybertruck, hopefully sooner than later.
I agree; Tesla's announcement wasn't a promise, it was a proposal outline for a future product.🙂
Can we all stop mis-using "promise" for such things? Listing what they were shooting for with specs is NOT a promise. Words matter.
Did it fall short of initial specs? Yes, no question about it. This whole 'promise' business is simply not the case.
Agreed it's childish.
I'm curious if Tesla, or any other manufacturer for that matter, ever use the word "Promise" at their announcement events. It seems the lawyers would push them to use the word "Estimated". But I see many articles, posts, and videos talking about what Elon and/or Tesla "Promised".
Was there any language in the announcement that could be interpreted as a "Promise"?
I'd check if I could be bothered.
Notice that nobody is screaming about the "EV pullback" announced by .... "Everyone else" over the last few weeks?
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The reaction is "Oooo! EVs aren't selling! The economy!! Good nice slowing down guys!!" 👍👋👋👋
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Tesla delays during a generational crisis and it's "OMG! LATE!!"
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I'd laugh if it wasn't so pathetic
@@rogerstarkey5390isn’t it obvious? People aren’t buying other EV’s because they’re waiting for their new Cybertruck. I’ve literally been waiting for my pre-order since 2019, and will continue to wait until I get my damn Cybertruck. NOTHING will stop me from getting it. NOTHING! YOU HEAR ME?!
The original specifications were not promises but goals that they would attempt to achieve they will continue to improve the product to ultimately get to these goals or even beyond.
🌵 peace
The over promises and under deliveries are a bummer, but I still think it’s chock full of hi-tech and will sell at these prices to “early adopters” as did the car models. Tesla undoubtedly will lower prices as demand slows next year and will attract back some of the previously dismayed customers. I expect Tesla has a few rabbits in the form of tech advances in their hat to pull out, but don’t know what they could be, other than range and/or power boosts and maybe stronger glass. We shall see.
Have to agree. If you look at the price drops for the Model S Plaid from just 2 years ago. you're looking at (I believe) over 30K in price drops just in 2 years.
"generational global crisis" during development?
WHAT "Generational Crisis"?
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smh.
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Now, look at the timelines if other "factory builds an new product development " and factor in the recent "EV pullback" by others.
What's their estimated total project time now?
(My bet 4 years or longer from announcement to first production?)
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Level playing field? Anyone?
Great work, but wish turning radius was a metric included with the exterior size slide
Wheelbase also please
It’s only being sold in United States, we don’t use metric here..
TY imperial is fine, but in this context. It’s a noun often metrics. A standard for measuring or evaluating something, especially one that uses figures or statistics.
10:22 Who is this CT customer? I'm sure that I recognise his face from some past public video somewhere.
Google image search does not show me anything; Yandex offers some close suggestions.
I am far from a Tesla fanboy but follow the company nonetheless. I keep seeing that "promises" were broken. But, is that REALLY the case. Or, is there a concerted effort to keep this guy down? What a company who is re-inventing the pickup expects, hopes, wants dreams that will be the final product is not a "promise".
Of course there is.
Over promised and under delivered. "This guy" lied to you bro!
"... this is something that we can do today..." 4 years later this is what we get! Elizabeth Holmes had hopes and dreams too!
Did i hear lots of "BUTS" ? This vidoe is to cover for Tesla
price was the biggest disappointment for me. i was just about barely able to afford their RWD 250mi $40k version but now it's $60k, so i can kiss that good bye. Everything else i really don't care about. So when you said extra features is worth the $20k higher price, i'd say, big fat NO.I really don't care about all the 'cool' extra features. Take them all away, gimme my $40k truck instead!
So literally every single feature is significantly below the promised specs at an absurdly higher price, but the cult wants to suck the head scammer more than ever… 🤣
Tesla failed to deliver on the more important specs from its 2019 debut. These obviously are range, payload, and price. The other gimmicks, being bulletproof, having a needless 48 volt system, 4 wheel steering, and being very fast off the line are designed to attract its new customer target. The suburban family that ventures to the outlet mall every weekend and on occasion will go camping.
The bulletproof is not a wanted feature (the body is “bulletproof”, but not the glass, so, not the “absolute truth”. For the 48 volts, it is not needless. On the contrary, this change everything. And the standard 4 wheels steering is a game changer too.
The CT bed length depends on where you measure. Along the floor it is 72.08”. You go up a foot off the floor and it is about 66”. So the bed is not a true 6’ bed. If you took a 6’ long box that was 18 inches tall it would not fit into the bed. You would have to lower the tailgate.
Carry the 6 foot or 9 foot long box with the tailgate in the lowered position. Then tie it down.
That's what millions of pickup truck owners have been doing for the last 100 years.
8 foot or 10 foot lumber, posts, boards and sheet material can be carried in a short bed truck with the material resting on the top of the closed tailgate.
Otherwise, lower the tailgate, slide in your sheetrock or plywood, strap in the back end of the material with a couple of tie-downs and off you go.
People do this with pickups every day in America.
If you've owned and actually used a truck, you wouldn't have made such a comment.
What's the definition of a true 6' bed then? Cause from the specs NONE of the other trucks listed have a 72" length with the tailgate up. You know what else CT doesn't have in the bed? Wheel wells.
It's REALLY weird that according to you, the bed get shorter as you get higher, but the side profile shows the tailgate leans backwards?
Also forget to mention. Bed is not true 6 feet. It is same length as f 150 lightning minus 16 inch width.
Maybe, but the CT doesn't have wheel wells occupying space in the bed either.
@@paradigmshift7 agreed but I can shove plenty of stuff in bed around wheel wells in regular bed. Much more Cubic feet storage that's how evey single car storage capacity been calculated for decades. All the sudden we start caring about truck bed length only.
@@8bajwa8 Depends what you're hauling for sure, but if your new standard is total volume, then how much cubic feet of storage is lost by those wheel wells?
Look at the OFFICIAL spec on both manufacturers websites.
The FORD site shows theirs as narrower.
That'll do for me.
@@paradigmshift7 how about we talk about how manny cubic feet we gain around wheel wells including on top off wheels. So every tesla fan going to ingnor waste of bed space in Ct and point out wheel wells.
LMAO. Keeping hates on Tesla and I'll keep buying their stock and we can compare portfolio in a decade.
Guy comes to a car video to give St0nK advice
😗👌
@@StinkPickle4000 Guy smarter than you, you listen.
I was interested until I decided the cybertruck was a bad financial decision for me. Now I don't want to hear about it. Just like I don't want to hear about superyachts I can't afford or very affordable islands I can't afford or beautiful supermodels who have no interest in me or luxury vacations I am not going on or beautiful mansions that I could only afford if someone accidentally loaned me more money than I can pay back or investments I am already too late to get in on. Enough. The better it is the less I want to hear about it.
The truck is a great vehicle ... but ... BUT ... The price is just too high. I still have a reservation in for the dual motor version and hope springs eternal that by the time my number comes up, production will have ramped to the point where Elon lowers the price to a reasonable level. I don't think that will happen, but I hope so. Until then, the truck is out of reach for me at least.
Compare to the alternatives.
I really miss the 6th seat.
Does any one know why they ended up getting rid of it?
Maybe someday it'll be back...
same, It's hard to justify buying for me if it holds the same amount of people as a model 3
It was bigger.
They downsized to below the footprint of an F150.
You can't have everything.
since 2019 the market changed a lot, I am glad that there is at least a produkt
I used to be a Tesla fanboy in 2016. I followed Elon when he had less than a million followers. I think Tesla fanboys eventually outgrow it like I did. Elon is a bit of a con artist. Always lying about the product and never delivering on time. I think this truck is a flop before it's even out. Overpriced. Nowhere near the range it was promised. Tesla has failed its customers. It's a cool design but so what. It's not affordable or game changing. Better luck next time.
Besides, what criminals shoot at the door when they can shoot at the window?
Making a big deal out of how the car was "bullet proof" are so childish, appealing to 13 year old bois, Elon Musk have an incredible vulgar sense of humour
@MisterBinx
Or maybe your "health" declined?
(Ability to reason)
You act like the price and the lack of the promised range are no big deal. Those things are the most important things. Yes, the tech is great and cool. But seriously, you are giving Elon and Tesla a pass. They promised a certain range. They promised a certain price. Even with inflation the prices are way more than advertised. I feel lied to. It was just a way to get preorders.
Elon's timelines and hype often fall a bit short, but the cult just dismisses it away. Other producers don't have that luxury.
Pre-order $100. Wow, big spender. Roadster pre-order $200,000 odd.
If you don’t like $60,000, wait 2-3 years.
We don’t even know if that’s cost price, when break even will be - end 2024, mid 2025?
How will you ever recover? Cope and seeth 😅
The dual motor version either meets or exceeds the promises except the price. Hoping it will go down in a few years.
No, Tesla or Elon did not promised anything
Cybertruck is sized between th Ford an th Rivan pullin teeth on th track
Needs more range for towing without extra money. He failed.
Do we know what the home charging rate will be? 80amp?
"sufficient" (and limited by the supply)
You have 80 AMP outlets in your house?!!? That' is the entire supply to my place!
An air compressor port is irrelevant
And can we go fishing with it? As Elon Musk claimed?
Never heard anyone at tesla say “I promise” why do you lie?
Biased analysis. Start off by minimizing the pre to post is putting people's bias for what you are about to say instead of letting the audience formulate their own. For cost you forgot to mention that on top of increased prices, you must add-in additional $20k they are charging for their so called founders addition. I order the tri-miter in 2019 for $79k and receive the email to purchase this for $119k. My AMGs are way better on every thing this has to offer and if tesla wants to charge more they have to compete with everything in that price category. For instance, if a Volt cost $30k and then it went to $70k (this is the increased cost jump like Tesla is doing for founders addition) then someone that was looking to purchase a Volt now is looking at all the other cars in that $70k range and wondering why buy a Volt.
What happened to the midgate?
Not sure Tesla ever said a mid gate was possible. I’m not sure but GM might have a patent on that. Also not sure it’s even a possibility with the roll up tonneau cover.
It is hanging out with the midgate from the SIlverado. Not sure if one can have a midgate an a power tonneau cover. That cover also comes out of the box space.
If the CT can outpull a Ford F350, why is it that it is listed only to pull 11K? What determines the limit?
The towing rating is bases on the truck tires, brakes and I believe weight. When you hook it to a sled at a truck pull none of that matters other than weight.
Will it fit in a 19' garage? and when I say 19' I mean 19.000000 feet (lol)?
That thing looks like it belong on the the moon.
Where would you put the solar and still be able to jump up and down on the cover. Its either one or the other leave the rear vulnerable to break in or have Solar roll up collectors. When it comes to pulling ??? It out pulled a HD 350 but they rated it to 11000. Muat be for a specific reason like too much ware and tear. Try runing your company in 20% inflation Economy and not raise your prices.
More like 24% but their not counting :)
😢the customer is the guy who can buy the trimotor and wave the bird at the world!! Wants a tough car and would buy a Lamberginni if he could but this will do but I am not that guy. I do not need drive by we're or 48 volt. I want great batteries with great range for the weight. I will pay a premium but tesla's cybertruck is not yet ready for prime time. I do not want to pay this premium knowing that next years modlr will be cheaper and better!
Yeah I'm wondering the technical they didn't claim more? It can obviously do more than 11k
Because they obviously juiced the tractor pull!!
@@StinkPickle4000 Ah StinkPickle a tow rating and a Truck pull have little to do with each other. The tow rating is the load one can tow all day long sort of thing. More to do with brakes, tires load rating, load distribution and the frame.
The truck pull is about getting power to the ground. Tire pattern/traction and vehicle HP/Torque.
"...with the rollout subtracted". I still don't know what that means regarding its 0-60 time.
The time it takes the vehicle to go the first foot is subtracted.
@@Cleanerwatt Thanks! But I can't even begin to guess why this would be a thing. We do have the tendency to complicate things, don't we. :)
Promised? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'm afraid that you are splitting hairs and not mentioning the fantastic new technology that this vehicle delivers. This is a revolutionary vehicle and sorry, but I think your review entirely misses that. I believe that probably some of the things that Tesla wanted to deliver in this truck proved too expensive and/or very difficult to manufacture.
Fantastic new technology? All I see are gimmicks that needlessly increased the cost and delayed the project.
Revolutionary for drive by wire, all-wheel steering and 48 volt accessories? Sorry bro the tech existed long before Tesla told you about them.
What fantastic new tech inside it's anoter tesla sheap commercially avalaiable 3mm stainless steel coems with pre scratched and sometimes dented renge nowhare the claimed range price is 30+ % more.
You will a❤museing with M🌟odels of Tesla❤😍🌏
It’s predicted things that may or may not happen either make one that’s better or buy a ford or a rivian there u go simple
Either way it’s going to sell that’s what I tell everyone
Bro u don’t like Tesla drive a Honda accord or a ford lol drive a beetle bro lol 😅😅😂😂😂 it’s fine
Tesla will lose no sleep I’m still buying it
Can't say l like how it looks, it's terrible
Take tesla out of equation. Then it is worst ev as of 2023 standerd. Wait till real consumer review start pouring in. If it is delivered with good yaer 35s as shown range at 70 mph going to be 250ish for dual motor. Best it will do 2.3 miles per kwh.
Yawn!
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Yes, they promised to produce the ugliest vehicle ever made and now they’ve delivered! 🤢🤢🤢🤮
If a steel ball was thrown at ANY other vehicle's window, the window would have shattered into many hundreds of pieces. The fact that in 2019, the window did NOT shatter, and instead was just smashed, was a selling point. Elon even said at the time "at least it didn't shatter" but he said it as an afterthought as opposed to saying it proudly as a selling point. And the fact that today's CT windows are made of Gorilla Glass is a selling point.
Two types of car glass exsit the shattering one which falls out and the safety that's held in place by the nylon layers this isn't new....
It is a shame that when you mentioned the price increase, you failed to mention the biden economics skyrocketing inflation rate, skyrocketing interest rates, employees increased wages.... over the last 4 or so years. Also go out and do some window shopping to see what a comparable or as close as you can get truck from legacy auto dealers would cost you. When you do, these prices are not bad.
You think you're going to get a cybertruck by paying MSRP?!?!