Daytona Wars
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- A comparison of the Rolex Daytona Series 3 116520 and Pagani Design PD1644
FOR WATCH COLLECTORS One of the most iconic watches of the 20th Century is the Rolex Daytona.
On October 25, 2017, Paul Newman's personal Rolex Daytona Reference 6239 was auctioned off by Phillips Auction House at a final price of $17.75 Million US Dollars. This makes it the most expensive watch in the world.
Earlier this year wanting to try a Chronograph I purchased a Homage to the Daytona made by Pagani Design reference PD 1644. I made a couple of videos - with an unboxing and initial impressions. Since then this watch has been my goto watch.
But I have been hoping to compare this to the real thing - and this week my wish came true. Thanks to Mr X I now have on loan the Rolex Daytona Series three reference 116520 with the Rolex 4130 Automatic Movement.
So today I am going to do a comparison of the Real and Homage and give you my thoughts. I appreciate this video might polarise opinions BUT I will to try and be unbiased and objective in my assessment.
RRP Rolex Daytona £10,500.00 , Pagani Design £55.00.
I find it funny that the pagani design is objectively better at being a watch, as its MUCH more accurate than the Rolex could ever be.
Quartz will always be better than mechanical, like a tesla will always be better than a classic.
@@garlicbreth3 no I dont think so . Because a few week ago, there was a tesla that was blocking the traffic just because its owner had decided to update it !! It took 45 minutes so sorry but I will never praise teslas and more generally electric cars.
Nicely done comparison. I have the Pagani PD1644, Daytona homage, it’s a great value. I could never justify purchasing a Rolex Daytona at today’s prices.
That’s because you’re poor.
Or more likely, you have common sense and won't waste money on a daft status symbol.
@@justmeeagainn no ! because he is smarter than you :)
Wearing a Rolex in public is like having a target on your back. There was a time when a Rolex was just a nice watch. Now they've become a part of your investment portfolio and thieves/muggers are well aware of this.
I’ve had my pagani for 6 months and it is superb. I ended up buying 2 other pagani design watches and they are also excellent. Whilst I have some quality watches (omega, breitling, tag heuer etc) I could not justify spending £20000 on one, as beautiful as the Rolex is.
I've owned the Pagani for a while. It's a solid watch. I also own the brands you mentioned. The Pagani is an incredible value for the $67 U.S. I paid for it.
I owned the Daytona pagani but it’s second hands stop
It's supposed to stop. When you activate it, it'll stop after 1 hour@@akmah1598
Great review, thoughts. Can't believe your mate just had the original laying around. Rolex is a re-sellers dream. Just got the pagani and it's brilliant for £50!
Ordered three PD-1664s for $71.99 each. All black on bracelet and both rose gold on rubber for $215.97 vs $100K for equivalent Daytona's. I will enjoy better timekeeping and no worries of theft with the Pagani's. Thanks for the review.
They look so similar, you might still get mugged!
I got one for 40
Nice review. I picked up the Pagani for $100.00 on eBay and it’s just an incredible value. Pagani is my new favorite Homage Brand
What a pleasant review! Wearing my Pagani right now and I love every bit of it. Just put it on a black leather racing strap tonight and it’s just stunning
Nice! Do you have a link?
interested too
Very nice and enjoyable video comparison. Like many of your viewers, $25K to $125K is too much to pay even if you have the means to do so. I've always had an affection for the Daytona (Rol*x) but in a world where sticking to a budget actually means something then, the clear and obvious choice is the PD 1644. With its handsome looks I'll be proud to wear it on a daily basis, and NO I wouldn't even dream of passing it off to complementors as the "Real Thing." My aim is to enjoy the timepiece without pretense. Have a great and safe day Richard!! Cheers, Tim
I really like the idea of homage watches, like the Pagani Design you showed here. They look nice, and they are not trying to pretend to be a real rolex with a fake logo. I know which I would choose when I take my dogs running in the park, or go out for beers with my friends. The idea of having a watch you would be too scared to wear on a daily basis means most of use would go for the pagani.
The Pagani is a great watch - so is the Rolex - but I had more fears with the Rolex and more pleasure with the Pagani - and its really good value for great quality
Great review , really good to see both side by side. I like how you show both watches the respect they deserve , without any watch snobbery.
It really comes down to why you want that you want. If you want an attractive watch that keeps spot-on time, then look no further than the Pagani. If you want a watch that ticks those boxes but also qualifies you for invites to toffish circle-jerks, then by all means, get the Rolex. With the Pagani, you wear the watch, with the Rolex, the watch wears YOU. Richard, that was a delight to watch. I subscribed and look forward to binge-watching you.
Oh, and I have the Pagani.
Thanks William - Your comments are much appreciated
Lately…used Daytona’s are $140,000 USD makes the Pagani Chronograph Sport an even better value. I was curious after watching so many videos about the Pagani, so I ordered one for my wife (she wanted a chronograph). It took a long, long time to arrive from China. But as we sized the watch, we were amazed at the finish, and quality. Heck, even the Seiko version cost $675 USD IF you can find one. I don’t know how Pagani does it…but the watch is WELL WORTH the $68 (including Tax) USD I paid. Thanks for the tip. It was a good one!
Great overview of the two watches. I have the PD in black, superb and flawless. Of course the Rolex is better it should be but the PD is a great alternative if you want the look of the daytona.
Great comparison video, well done. I think if I were to somehow get a real Daytona it would be afraid to walk out of the house with it on! I have a white Pagani on the way and I hope it works well like yours does.
Hi Tony - Yes that was a real issue . Also I found that I had to wear it because of fear of losing it or having it stolen! It was a relief to give it back - so the phycological effect of owning such a watch can go in either direction. Its a joy and fear thing.
@@RichardCliff4 I can totally understand that feeling. It's like borrowing a friend's fancy car and having to be sooooo careful!
See all the scratches on the Rolex? Those are $20k scratches. I'm with you Tony, I'd cry with every scratch and ding.
@@RichardCliff4 LOVE driving the Pagani Zonda F1, HATE paying the security officer to mind it whilst I'm at cinema. #firstworldproblems. Kidding of course, I have a BMW that if they want it THAT bad, they can have it.
I have the black dial pagani. As a hobbyist jeweler I ran the pagani through my polishing routine and it just makes the watch so great to look at. Such a high value for money watch. Buy a great strap and there is zero chance the average person will be able to properly guess the actual amount you paid for it.
Would you be kind enough to post your polishing routine?
@@ulysses26 Well with this case it is a bit unorthodox but I use the Chemical guys 34, 36, and 38 auto-polishing compounds and finish with 10k grit diamond powder polish. I also buy 4 different microfiber towels and put each of the polishing compounds into a corner of their own separate clothes and let them dry out. So for example I have 1 cloth with the 34 liquid polish dried out in the corner, 1 cloth with the 36 and 1 with the 38. Then with the 10k diamond powder I just place the powder on the edge of the towel and work it into the fibers.
You can just buy the polishing compounds from Amazon and in a sampler pack too and the 10k diamond powder you can just buy from Ebay for like 10 bucks. Then once each cloth is setup I just lightly polish in the sequence of 34 to the 36 to the 38 compound and finish with the 10k diamond cloth and then repeat the sequence. It might seem like a lot at first but I use this routine on my everything like my watches, my car, guitars, golf clubs and It works great. Just make sure not to put too much pressure on the piece when you are polishing as you might cause a scratch to happen.
If you just wanted to test the waters buy the Chemical guys 38 polishing compound with a decent microfiber towel just so you can see it for yourself without having to engage in a lot of hassle. Anyways just my 2cents.
@@Magicmeatbag Thank you very much mate!
SOLD!
Not desperately in need of a watch. I have a very nice US Navy Chronograph on my wrist that I have had for ten years. But I started doing some "dream shopping" today, looking at Rolex's and bemoaning the fact that I cannot afford one...when I ran across this. It's got the look, that is for sure...and hell...at $89.00 US, I really can't go wrong.
Thanks man!
I have the PD-1644 work great. I got in 3 days purchased on Amazon. My Rose Gold Daytona Rolex was on order the wait list was two and a half years. Yes
Great video. I really enjoyed it. I have only recently started being interested in watches. I own the Pagani Design Daytona. Even if I could afford an extremely expensive watch, I would never buy one because, if you wear it, it will get scratched and that would really bother me. The Pagani Design is higher quality than the other watches I have purchased so far.
the pagani is a better watch, I mean, what are you gonna do? spend $40 thousand Plus dollars to prove the Rolex out performs a $100 watch ?
I bought the black dial on purpose, one I love black, two, the three silver dials don't get washed out by the white face, they really stand out on a black face. Put a f1 silicone strap instead of the bracelet, Stunning.
Great comparison. I order a The Pagani Daytona , Because this price-quality ratio is 465 X better. Then a Rolex
I like the one that is actually available that you don't have to buy from price scalpers and "waiting lists". Pagani
@@scdevon I always buy my Paganis from AliExpress.www.aliexpress.com/af/pagani-design.html?d=y&origin=n&SearchText=pagani+design&catId=0&initiative_id=AS_20210621071131.always available at the lowest price
I have a Rolex submariner worth 8k, 20 years old and in mint condition. It’s so valuable I’m afraid to wear it out except on rare occasions. I also have a tendency to take watches off my wrist if my wrist swells and forget about it. In short I don’t get the enjoyment out of it I used to. Now I have several pagani Daytona’s and San Martin watches and wear them to match my clothes and they look great. I avoid moving bezels and Chinese movements on the paganis and I am really pleased with my growing collection. After the San Martin submariner homage my favourite is the pagani Daytona.
got a pagani,just polish it dremel the edges and love it
Hey Junius. Any information on what you did with your Dremel? Maybe a video or picture? That would be awesome and appreciated by many I think.
I couldn't agree more. It's not whether you could afford it, it's how smart you spend your money.
Thank you for your video!
I was looking for a "racing watch" for quite some time, had a look at Helgray LeMans, Seiko Montecarlo and so on and then I found the Pagani with a silver dial and rubber strap on Amazon for just 108 Euros. To be true, I didn't think about Rolex doing anything like this and didn't even look for a homage, just that 70s style watch from the golden days of motorsports.
Then I searched here on youtube what others think about what I bought and learnt about the Rolex Daytona.
From your video I now know there are enough differences, i.E. indexes, the crown, the pushers, the position of the 24h and the chronograph minutes dial, the date window, the quartz movement (which I like, I have more watches with Seiko quartz movements, this is due to my days as a radio operator in the navy. I did need accurate time then.) and more, and I didn't buy just another Rolex copy. The watch is well worth the money, even the higher price on Amazon which gives me some security in case of a warranty claim and saved me trouble with customs and taxes.
Mine is very well made, everything lines up perfectly and the crown is on parr with my Yema Seaspider with the Seiko Kinetic Movement.
Waiting for mine in the mail!
@John Doe The rubber strap version has quick release pins and the strap has a plain end as most straps have. Should be no problem.
I only wish the lume of the pd1644 was better, but I like the look of this watch and I don’t regret the purchase at all. In fact I like it so much I bought the black and silver one as well. :)
To some people,even £55.00 is a lot of money to spend on a watch. Just my opinion.
Agree.
Bought the Pagani "Daytona" new for £44 delivered from ebay. I've worn in for a month now and it keeps excellent accuracy and looks great on a aftermarket brown calf leather strap, for the money it's a no brainer. I've also got the Pagani "Speedmaster" black dial on a Milanese bracelet which is a stunning looking watch. Pagani is a cheap brand making good watches. There's a lot of watch snobbery out there but thankfully it doesn't bother me in the slightest.
Just got the submariner, after this review will buy this Pagani, for sure. Thanks for the review
Got mine a couple of weeks ago. Love it. Great video btw
Love my pagani design homage Daytona
We buy homages because we cannot or do not want to spend for the original watch, but there is no doubt that the level of detail with which the Rolex is made, and the credit for the design is undeniable.
Pagani for sure. No matter how high quality the Rolex is. There is nothing in this world that reasonably justifies the price of those "Rolexes".
I'd rather invest my money than buy a Rolex, or buy a Rolex AS an investment, and wear my Pagani Design with pride!
The Pagani Design Daytona has been on my shortlist for a couple of months now! But I've just never pulled the trigger. Your video is pushing me towards the edge. 🤔
Do it - You will not regret it - Its a great watch!!!
@@RichardCliff4 it's in my shopping cart already! Fingers crossed I get a good one. 🙏
@@RichardCliff4 well, I bought it! Hahaha. Thanks for your review. It finally convinced me to pull the trigger!
@@RichardCliff4 you're right, I don't regret it. It looks so good! I just need to find the perfect leather strap to match the panda dial with. 😅
I have the white Pagani Design chronograph watch and use the date quite frequently so for me it is a more useful watch. I can't recommend this watch enough. I mostly have a automatic watches but it is nice to have a few quartz watches that are more accurate and stay running. Other quartz watches that I find acceptable are the Bulova Moon watch chronograph, the Seiko Flightmaster, and various Casio specialty and G-shock watches.
Very interesting and informative video Richard.
Some very relevant comments and facts on these two watches.
Glad you enjoyed it
Good review, the rolex prices are mental as lovely as they are, the pagani, I think the spec and looks are terrific.
I own the Pagani and I'm very pleased. For the $$$ I saved, I've bought the rest of my watch collection...
My parents told me that just because something is expensive, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's valuable. As attractive as the Rolex is, it's not worth a fraction of the asking price.
Fractions go from near zero to near 100% so of course it's worth a fraction of its asking price. Which fraction is up to you to decide.
I have more than 80 watches, mostly vintage Seiko, wore a pagani daytona today. Nuff said.😅
Very good views
one link of the rolex bracelet costs more then the Pagani Design Watch
Yes! Think about it. Buying Rolexes is almost absurdity.
But you have the opportunity to buy every single little piece per piece of a Rolex, until you finally have a complete one! What other watch offers you that luxury?
Great comparison! I just bought the Pagani Daytona and I am thrilled with it. I think you have to have more money than brains to buy the Rolex!
I really appreciate this review. While I recognize that a Rolex contains a masterpiece of a movement, a high degree of quality control, and a rich history, I’m not sure if it’s worth 20k to me. I’d be a bit hesitant to wear such an investment on my wrist. Whereas the Pagani (and others like it) can be easily replaced while being visually similar and more practical.
Nice Friend, wish i friends like that!
I wear Pagani Design Panda as a beater watch and get compliments from costumers almost everyday , they think it's worth thousands because looks expensive 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 pops
I got the Pagani this week and love it but with silver hands against a white face it's not the easiest to read.
Agreed. I found the same with my "Meteorite" dial version. It's isn't easy to read at a quick glance and often requires a longer gaze/light reflecting off the hands at a particular angle. However, the exact same 'design flaw' exists with the genuine item
I really enjoyed this video! Greets from Denmark!
Si fuese un extraterrestre y viese los dos relojes me quedaría con el Pagani Design… sin dudarlo, es más preciso, elegante y práctico… y curiosamente mucho más bonito !!
Mods is life, Homage is a choice, Original is a must
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Thanks for this very interesting review!
I have two Pagani Daytona's, a Panda and a Rose Gold Black. Love them both! Wish I could afford the Rolex!
@John Doe looks simple to me. It's a quick release strap!
I recently got this Pagani and it's a great watch. Very slick looking and keeps great time. I could not sleep at night if I spent 20+ thousand on the official ROLEX Daytona. I would want to sell it after a month of wearing. It's just NOT worth the money when you step back and think about it. Great video!
The only Rolex I would spend that kind of money on and feel good about it is the Presidential. My fav. Rolex style.
yes, I rather agree. I don't want to wear an investment on my wrist, I want to wear a watch. I don't want it draining $1000 every 10 years from my account and I don't want it losing $500 to $2000 in value just because I used it ... as a ... watch.
I just bought the PD1644 with the "Meteorite" dial for a smidge over £30. That's twice the value proposition of yours. I've seen the 'real deal' Rolex - which was a limited production model - advertised for over £100K. Madness IMO. Watches are simply a bit of "Man Jewellery" to me. I like particular designs and I prefer minimal maintenance etc. I also prefer not having to 'worry' about my watch getting bashed or worse.. The most expensive watch I ever owned was a Tag Heuer - it was stolen.
The Pagani Design Daytona homage is quite simply a phenomenal watch. Truly "A Champagne watch for Lemonade money". Whilst I'm sure the Rolex Daytona is (and does feel a bit) higher quality, I'd rather spend my £100K somewhere else. When you consider that houses and top notch cars are a similar price I think the value proposition of the watch is diminished.
The luxury watch market as an investment is a bit artificial and driven by potential Owner's feelings of exclusivity and inferred status. If you have the money and want the Rolex, go for it! I'll stick with my Pagani homage.
I'll go Pagani
In my opinion Rolex, especially the Daytona, are the 'Emperors New Clothes'. Sure they look good - but thats only because we are' told' they look good, and as for accuracy....Nah! Don't even get me started on servicing costs...
I was lucky to buy a very tatty Sea Dweller about 35 years ago for £250, I spent quite a bit getting it back to top condition + serviced, then sold it in 1995 for £850. Not bad eh? But by this time it was losing about 5 mins per day and I couldn't be bothered spending the money to get it serviced. Now, do I wish I still had it? Yes - as it'd be worth around £8k now. Would I ever buy another Rolex? Never! (unless I found one for a few hundred pounds....) As for their pricing, I believe Sir Isaac Newton summed it up with gravity, 'what goes up must eventually come down'.
Great thoughts and views☺️👍 Subscribed! 😁👊
PD-1644 on the way. What a great watch for the money!
In few years time...Pagani Design will go up in price.
Rolex is 400 times more expensive. I'll take the Pagani Design.
I've just ordered the gold and silver one because I liked how it looked. I've got three Seikos at about £200 each. All Chronographs. Lets see how the Pagani 1644 weighs up against the Seikos when It arrives!
I ordered myself a 1664 which is a daytona with rubber strap... will probably arrive in a week and I am actually excited about the watch... how did your watches do? Do you like them? Do you actually wear them or did they end up in the drawer? Were you disappointed or did the watches deliver?
How are the Paganis vs the Seikos?
I never have a Rolex in my hands so, I can be completely objective, but I have 2 Paganis and they looks, feels and works amazing for the price. I don’t know how people can justify 10 thousands + watches.
I honestly think the only people who should be wearing watches like this these days are super rich people. Sure a working class man COULD save up, but leaving the house with a watch thats probably worth more than their current bank balance is just crazy to me. They are WAY too recognizable, so everyone, and more importantly robbers know what it is.
After a few years the service on that rolex starts at $800.00 . even in a safe the oils dry out in it. Then wear it on the streets of any city and see how long it takes before its taken from you.
You can walk the streets safely with a Pagani my life is worth more than a Rolex
I was lucky enough to buy a Rolex Sub during lockdown in Luzen, Switzerland 🇨🇭 (benefited from the lack of competition from Chinese tourists who routinely make Watch tourism) however I am in the market for a chronograph and would love a Daytona but so difficult to get, I want to buy on the grey market. But I am not sure if I will love it. So actually buying one of these Pagani could be a nice place holder, to see if it scratches the itch. But essentially the Rolex is always superior and worth the money because they did the R&D, they designed it. That is worth more than the sum of the parts.
FYI - Rolex R&D did some borrowing! Omega's Speedmaster was the first to use the external Tachymeter bezel in 1957 that Rolex "borrowed" for the Daytona's design (Omega made it to the moon, Rolex didn't pass NASA's tests...). Also, the Submariner came out in 1954 but Blancpain's "Fifty Fathoms" and Zodiac's "Sea Wolf" dive watches came out in 1953 and Rolex very much borrowed from these two older Swiss watch companies. Everybody borrows a little... including "superior" Rolex.
I'm happy that you can own and enjoy a genuine Rolex. I'm sure you'll get a significant return on your 'investment' too. For the rest, the Rolex is simply expensive because it can be. Rolex are happy to limit production and push the brand further up market because it will appeal to a certain demographic for that very reason. Sure, the quality is there but what you're really paying for is "the name", exclusivity and inferred status. The R&D costs were more than recouped many years ago...
I'm going to die with a skemi on..🤣🤣🤣
*Skmei
I could not just the pagani watch for any amount, unless you can get it to time events pass 60 minutes.The 24-hour subdial only shows you the time-of-day.
Buy the Pagani and a proper digital stop watch. Job done!
Have one. Great watch, except: crappy lume.
I can't justify the price of the Rolex, I've been thinking about the Omega Speedmaster Racing, almost somewhere in the middle of the two. I will get the Pagani anyway, you can't go wrong at that price.
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I assume that the Mr.X that you got the Rolex from is the same Mr.X that Jody from "Just one more watch" uses. Whoever he is, he's a class act for allowing you all to use his watches to demonstrate just how great these homages have become.
You know what the best way to protect a Rolex from theives is? Not a safe, just a little post-it note stuck to it that says "CHEAP FAKE" and just leave it out where anyone could see it. LOL
Since you got the rolex already care to give me the pagani one? Haha!
Neither...Sugess. The finish on the Pagani, if you look at the details, is relatively poor. Little things like machining marks that PD does pretty poorly if you're willing to look just beyond the surface.
I just bought the Pagani and the example I received is flawless. QC may be variable between examples but I'd take my chances rather than spend the extra (I've seen them at 6x as much..) on the Sugess.
I've have six PD watches and all are flawless.
One is arts of horology and one is only watch 🤔 and wearing anyone is great 👍
Yes I agree - I have a 2018 Rolex Daytona on loan and it is a beautiful piece. But in my view there is a lot to be said in favour of the PG1644.
wrong the mega quartz is horology
Would I buy a $20k Rolex? Sure, if I could turn around and sell it for $30k. Would I wear one? No, I would feel like a total asshat wearing such a vulgar display of wealth on my wrist. Give me an homage to an old Captain Willard or something cool.
I totally agree.
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They used Zenith
He gave you his....
WTAF?
I can't really be objective on this topic as I'm not in a position to spend $20k on a watch but I don't really see an upside of buying a Rolex except brand perception and for investment purposes. $20k for an old banged up watch that costs $1000 to service just seems like a waste of money. I would rather buy 3 Pagani variations and mix them up a bit and if you baby them like the Rolex, I don't see a reason why those watches wouldn't last you at least 10 years, but that's just me and I don't care about brand perception. I got an Nautica (fashion watch) that is 9 years old and looks good as new because I took care of it.
I have the Pagani Design as the Rolex is 2 years salary for me so would not buy on principle even if I had the money.
I have a Tudor and it's in the safe (which is a shame, but I can't justify a £3k watch on my wrist), on my wrist is a watch with the same movement (2824-2) in it for fraction of the price. Go figure.
LennyG2006 that is a shame! I can’t justify owning a watch that I can’t wear or that doesn’t work well. Idk how you can keep it in the safe!
What do I think? I think the Pagani is a steaming metal hunk of dog $hit. How do I know? I have one. Tells garbage time.
Oh, you must have gotten the GMT.
Get what you pay for , Pagani feels cheap and looks cheap . Rolex is pure class but with a Premium . I would not pay £20k for a watch that cost 8k at retail . Very nice watch but there are plenty around to buy , not a rare watch .
Pagani is value for for money if someone wants a good looking watch for work .
The new Pagani doesn't look or feel cheap. Certainly not $100 cheap.
There's certainly not a quality gap that justifies the price
@@DocRobotnik 😂😂
@@stevenfoleyuk9404 aww, you think a Rolex is worth £20k 😂 that's adorable
@@DocRobotnik depends which model , if solid Gold or not . Its not how much they are worth its about how desirable they are .
Sehr Schöne Homage aber es ist eine Quarzuhr und deshalb uninteressant Quarzuhren haben keine Seele