I do wonder if it is his dream what does it represent to skullkid? In his subconscious what are the 4 giants abandoning him a metaphor for. The crushing weight of the moon, the constant anxiety of the towns folk, the fear of loss and depression, what did skull kid go through for those feelings to manifest as characters in his dream.
The theories centering around Majoras Mask being a dream/alternate dimension/afterlife are always intriguing but very funny to me because no one would be making these specific theories if the dev team had enough time to make original models for all the townsfolk.
@@solstice7246 Also that would imply he still grew OLDER and learned experience as a warrior. There's no way he grew up in the lost woods and died with hylian armor and what not
I just can’t see Termina as a dream. Even the World of the Ocean King is a separate realm that exists alongside Hyrule and even Lorule. I merely see it as having been a realm whose entrance was hidden within’s The Lost Woods.
Definitely not. Skull Kid is seen in Termina before he gets the mask. It is a parallel world, the manual of Majora's Mask even calls it a parallel world. Those books makes things up 90% of the time, as it's the writters interpretations of the games (which they confirm in the books themselves), writters who had practically no supervision from the Zelda Team. Those books are published Fanfiction and theories, and shouldn't be considered canon. This includes the timeline, which has glaring errors and contradictions with the games (looking at you Four Swords Adventures)
We need a remake of Four Swords Adventures. I don’t find a problem with Ganondorf being reincarnated after being killed. (In fact, I believe the Ganondorf in the sequel to Breath of the Wild is a new incarnation of the Demon King), but the fact that it was supposed to be a direct prequel to A Link to the Past may have tied up some plot holes.
@@chrispork1443 Ganondorf "reincarnating" goes against established lore. Ganondorf has never "reincarnated" as a new person. He is reborn time and time again, brought to life by external forces or he breaks free from his seals. When he does, his spirit lingers in the underworld until he can return to the living world. BOTW2 Ganondorf is the same Ganon from Ocarina of Time. Not only does Creating a Champion allude to it, all mentions of Ganon in Breath of the Wild are of Ganon from Ocarina of Time (even mentioning events from Ocarina of Time itself). His round ears gives it away too, as the Gerudo only had round ears in Ocarina of Time, and pointed ears by the time of Breath of the Wild.
@@ZeldaLore But that Ganon is already dead: He was killed in The Wind Waker (Adult Timeline), Twilight Princess (Child Timeline) and The Legend of Zelda (Downfall Timeline). Are you suggesting a new timeline split going by that logic?
And to add to that, I believe Malladus is sort of a successor to Ganon, with both him and old Hyrule being washed away at the end of The Wind Waker. Also, Ganondorf said their conflict wasn’t over just before dying in Twilight Princess, hinting that he will return for revenge in a new life.
I never thought of Termina as being just a dream. Given as to how Link is having to repeat the same three days over and over again. For the rest of Termina, its three days, for Link and Tatl, it feels like a month.
The inhabitants of Termina would have been doomed if Link had used a saddle. If he had, he would never have fallen off Epona's back. Thus, the Skull Kid would not have been able to take Epona and Link would never have fallen into Termina. Link's careless saved an entire dimension. This has no bearing whatsoever on the video, but I just wanted to share it.
Generally, people who think that Termina is a dream or some such thing don't appear to understand what a parallel world is. It's like that show Sliders. It's another world that exists as part of a multiverse in an alternate plane of existence. Both places really exist. Both places may or may not have the same people existing as well. Both places just exist on a different existential frequency so to speak.
Exactly. Aonuma himself confirmed in an interview that it is a parallel world. While the books have some canonical value, not everything in the books come from the zelda team. So some things contradict what the zelda team has confirmed to be canon.
Back in the day, after Majora's Mask and the two Oracle games came out my siblings and I used to joke that the Zelda series was slowly 'becoming Sliders.' Like it had started out as some sort of Peter Pan-looking knight and princess fantasy thing, but for three games in a row the plot was 'Link get whisked away to an alternate universe and has to save it.' Now, Labrynna and Holodrum are probably in the same universe as Hyrule... but maybe they aren't, let's ignore that discussion for now, as it was even less clear back then because it was before RUclips, or GameFAQs, or Zeldapedia, etc.
the MAIN flaw in the change and theory of Termina being a dreamworld/created world by majora, is the background that Tatl tells you and the flashbacks. you can clearly see them playing in termina field. see 7:32. they're playing in Termina Field thus it already exists. now if they were playing in Hyrule field, then i could see it being a possibility.
Exactly! and we saw these 2 fairies are not creation of Majora because we saw them at the begining of the game while links is traveling in the lost woods
I just dont see how the memories of a skull kid, and the power of a mask that has NO passion for life whatsoever, can make the dense, lived-in world of Termina. It just doesn't make sense how it could make a world filled with history and a lot of unique characters essentially out if spite
The characters of Termina have too much history and culture throughout the game to not have existed before Link & Skullkid. I think it's just part of trying to shove all the games into a timeline for the purposes of that book despite each game having been designed with their own gameplay and storylines taking priority over everything else.
I still will always believe Termina is an alternate reality version of Hyrule, the thing about it being created by Skull Kid feels like a cop out explanation given to fans so they wouldn’t get angry at Nintendo for ruining the mystery of the game
It's like the writers of Hyrule Encyclopedia were huge fans of Disney's Alice in Wonderland and how "Wonderland" was all a dream...but never read the original Story where on the last page Alice's sister pops-up after having a similar "dream" of Wonderland. Nor ever heard that Alice in Wonderland had a sequel story where she returned to Wonderland...because Disney never made an animated movie about it.
Well, when Majora's Mask originally came out, Aonuma clearly stated that Termina is a parallel world to Hyrule. And that's what I'll always believe in.
I feel like Link falling into Termina is similar to him teleporting into the dark world in ALTTP or squeezing through the fissures into Lorule in ALBW. Like those two, I think Majora's Mask takes place in a parallel world, not a dream like Koholint.
People always seem to get mad when their fictional worlds are deemed illusory. There is clearly emotional baggage and a lot of mental gymnastics going on. It is truly the only way the events of the game make sense and the Japanese are more comfortable with these surreal explanations. Link clearly entered the Lost Woods withouth a fairy and, as we know, thus never ends well . He was probably already an adult because the intro story tells the events of OoT like they were a long time ago. Termina was created the moment the Skull Kid Got ahold of the ocarina of time and combined its power with that of Majora. This is the reason the entire world revolves around the concept of time, clocks etc. It makes no sense that the Song of Time now has so much power, or Link re learning Epona's Song, Aliens? the Skull Kid Being a mythical creature? Male fairies? Monkeys talking? both an adult and child Malon doppelgänger? This is clearly some fever dream shared somehow and shaped by the immature minds of the skull kid, majora, the happy mask salesman and/or Link. The song of healing is just saria's song backwards because it is the favorite song of the Skull Kid. Saria's song is even the last sound we hear at the end of the game. The fact inhabirants have memories is nothing for the power of Majora combined with the ocarina of time. There is nothing out of the ordinary with people inside dreams/ilusions having a past. This is not even a new discussion. the same debate surrounds the book Alice In Wonderland which most likely influenced the game too. We see Link as an Stalfos in the sequel (some are stll in denial about it though) he entering Ikana is the final stage in his conversion, and the elegy of emptiness is him leaving his body behind. The concept was probably inspired by that of the black lodge from the series Twin Peaks, where dopplegangers of the characters reside too. This series also inspired Link's Awakening, making Majora's Mask a spiritual succesor. Sorry, but Those still attached to Termina need the song of healing played to them.
My take on Termina was that it was a world separate from Hyrule rather than a dream. Mainly because Link fell into that tree trunk that sent him to Termina.
Considering that Link has his Gilded Sword(If you obtained it) and Mirror Shield in the Games Credits after returning to the Lost Woods. It wasn't a dream.
It needs to be reminded constantly that the Hero's Shade was in fact remembered as a Hero. He specifically says he accepted life as the Hero. What he was lamenting over was the fact that couldn't find a worthy successor to his legacy before he died.
Yes, but nobody knew what he had to go through in OoT/MM. I mean they knew a little bit but, to them all they know is Link had the Triforce of courage and told the king about Ganondorfs betrayal.
Fierce Deity beating Majora is canon. Fierce Deity exists outside of Majora, Termina(where Link, SK and HMS are standing during the ending) exists outside of Majora, there is also knowledge of the Triforce in Termina, implying Hyrule & Termina are connected via the Lost Woods… ZE in offers nothing new that HH didn’t initially, which never stated MM was a dream. The only sensible theory it offers is that OOX Link =/= ALTTP>LA Link.
Hyrule Encycopedia's canoncity is questionable. Even so, in-game evidence trumps any guide book, and in "Majora's Mask", when Tatl describes her and Tael meeting Skull Kid for the first time, one of the scenes that follows is Skull Kid and the fairies playing in Termina Field, long before he gets Majora's Mask. Not to mention there are no in-game suggestions that Termina isn't a real place, unlike the case with Koholit in "Link's Awakening".
Reasons I think it’s a different dimension and not a dream: Zelda gives you the OOT and tells you the goddess of time is watching over link, which provides a reason for being able to reset time. The scene of chasing skull kid after he steals your horse takes place in hyrule or just outside of hyrule. This means the mask and skull kid exist in the same world as Hyrule and the whole story of OOT. Where the different dimension comes into place is the fall through the log that goes down super far, and you end up coming out in a town that never existed/was mentioned in OOT. Is this an alternate hyrule called termina where a kingdom doesn’t exist and instead people just live in a town? No ganon no Zelda just a town of people who are the same as the inhabitants of OOT? I don’t think it’s a dream so much as a pocket dimension that exists in the lost woods, as you go into a tree and never come back out during majoras mask or after. Also the flower you land on breaks a huge fall, would it be possible for link to return to hyrule at the end of majoras mask by using the deku flower? He must’ve returned somehow as he is the one who teaches Twilight Princess Link the art of sword fighting.
I've honestly been hoping someone would bring this up again so I could propose my own interpretation. So, my idea is that Hyrule Encyclopedia is slightly misinterpreted. In my interpretation, Skull Kid wandered into a world that had yet to be created. The world acted similar to the room of requirement from Harry Potter. The Skull Kid shaped the world and filled it with familiar faces and his own creations. Over time, the world began to act autonomously, no longer in his control. His friends, the four giants, took on the role of protectors as they were created. The Skull Kid, no longer in control of this world and its inhabitants, began to lash out. This lead to the story we heard from Anju's grandmother and subsequently to the events of Majora's Mask as a whole. I realize it doesn't work perfectly, as it doesn't really fit Hyrule Encyclopedia or fan need for it to be a real world, but it's the best I could think of to bridge the divide.
I’m fine with it if Termina was created by Majora’s Mask rather than being a pre-existing world but I really hate the idea that it vanishes after the events of the game.
i think that termina was real, because of one singular thing. Once link is back in the woods at the end of the game you can still see the mirror shield and the gilded sword on his back, meaning he has all the stuff from that world. And something to back it up: in links awakening in the post scene link does not have the red tunic or anything like he did at the beginning before he crashed on the island
Majoras mask is definitely in my top three Zelda games but for years now my head cannon has been it was all a dream link had. There are so many story elements to the game that make that the most likely scenario to me. I prefer termina to be a figment if his imagination, because based on the rules ocarina sets up for time travel, every time we play the song of time it should create a new time line. So every time we don’t make it to the top of the tower with the four giants, that would mean everyone in that time line dies in a lunar apocalypse. There are an infinite amount of anju’s waiting at the alter and dying alone. Yeah… I’m cool with a dream land.
Two things I never understood when playing Majora's Mask right after Ocarina of Time was why was the Kokiri Blade redesigned and where did the Hero's Shield come from when Link had the Hylian Shield at the end of Ocarina yet has the Hero's Shield in the Flashback with Zelda.
So in Oot Link got send back to the point of only having his sword and shield and lost all his gear from the dungeons. So technically Termina was just a side adventure that gave Link the opportunity to get all of his gear back plus some.
Well, seeing as this game takes place in the child timeline split after the ending of ocarina of time where we see link travel back to his childhood, I don't find this theory likely.
At the end of the day we know Termina is a real place due to Darmani III being honored in BotW. That said another theory is each game are nothing more than Legend, stories passed down from generation. This could be why Termina is shrouded in mystery and why we can't agree on where or what it is.
Termina is a parallel world. This was confirmed by Aonuma. However, the deeds and feats of links journey in termina was never revealed to hyrule. So his appearance as a statue in botw is more likely a neat easter egg than a real piece of lore. Especially considering the fact that it was never acknowledged by anyone in game.
@@andresbarquin The manual also states this however he also stated the lore can be up for debate. Given the reference is a Monument rather than a place named after something, I feel there is more to it. Also how would we know if Link didn't tell his tell of Termina or it is but an epic spun of the hero due to his missing time? I don't recall anything from any lore stating Termina was kept secret from Hyrule.
@@HECTOR8HELL8 all of the hero of time's journies were kept a secret from the public. That is why he was not remembered as a hero. If people did know of his adventures, he would have been seen as a hero. It being a statue does make it more significant I agree, so maybe he told the story to the royal family, and thousands of years later the stories were declassified. What still doesn't make sense though, is why would they make a statue of him? He was goron sure, but he was not really a part of hyrule's goron tribe. So why would they view him to be significant?
@@andresbarquin In OoT Link let's Zelda know in detail what will happen if Ganon was not stopped before leaving Hyrule to search for Navi. I could see why they would withhold the information of a time traveler forwarning Hyrules demise from the public as it could cause skepticism or panic. However when Link returned to Hyrule who is to say he didn't share stories of his travels in search for his friend. At this point he isn't seen as any great hero by the public just another soldier raising the ranks.
It doesn’t really matter if Tri Force Heroes is canon or not. However, I find the idea that Termina being a dream world like Koholint Island isn’t true.
My own theory is that it's another reality with similarities to Hyrule that we're used to. You see this in media sometimes, where a character ends up in another reality. The world is drastically different and maybe even has different rules, but it has the exact same looking people just with different personalities. The same looking characters have are also associated with the same people sometimes too. Although the only problem with this, is that there isn't another Link in Termina. Maybe i can make a very far stretch and assume Termina's Link died or something, but there's no evidence for it, unless we maybe force the Elegy of Emptiness and Great Deity Mask as evidence. This is a silly explanation, but one I (and definitely others) have thought about.
I think termina is like the dark world, a reflection of hyrule, also the problem with the ITS A DREAM idea is then well, where was majora when the man danced with him and grabbed the scale that gets carved into the mask. Of course you could also assume that the books are not official which would make me so sad.
The books have some canonical value, but not everything in the books comes from the zelda team themselves. The only thing in the books we know comes from the zelda team is the timeline. So anything in the books that contradicts information that comes from the zelda team (games, interviews, timeline, ect.) Is not canon. Everything else in the books is canon until stated otherwise. At least that's how I see it. Aonuma confirmed termina is a parallel world.
Im pretty sure that ive heard legit info that termina as a world and word is supposed to reference terminal as a inbetween space/liminal space. Also if the masks represents the 5 stages of grief which i think it is, could skull kid represent the shadow/darkness in link creating these trials?
I feel like the fact that Koume and Katome are not only alive (they are shown 100% dieing in OoT, they literally argue about the halos above their heads after you defeat then in spirit temple as they rise up disappearing into3the sky. The also are not evil adopted parents of ganondorf that try to kill you in majoras mask but just peopl that fill a role in this world like other characters the make and appearance from links own mind such as the windmill guy being in Majoras, construction people etc. because it's using links mind or in his mind. No one has said my theory and official canon lore counters this. But if i got to choose the time link. then Majoras mask would ACTUALLY BE BETWEEN WIND WAKER AND OoT! Wind waker is the timeline where link failed to defeat ganon and ganon flooded the world. I like the idea that majoras mask is link dying and each segment of the game are (as many youtubers have pointed out!) are LITERALLY the 5 stages of grief. Clocktown - denial (this is obvious the town is denying the moon LITERALLY CRASHING ON THEM THAT YOU CAN SEE because they just don't want it to be true so they can have the festival. Swamp Temple - Anger.....the deku king is literally the embodiment of anger. Mountains - Bargaining, yeah the gorons are literally all BEGGING you to get their newly dead king's child to stop crying. Durani literally begs you to soothe his sons despair of missing his father. Ocean - Depression....i mean, this is another obvious one with the whole cutscene for getting the zora mask and the queen can literally not sing because of DEPRESSION OF DEAD MATE. Canyon - Acceptance. the invisible dude accepts his death to give oyu stone mask, the mummy guys daughter accepts her fathers "ugliness", the dead ikanaking accepts his death after and passes on.
I never thought of Termina as a dream. I'm leaning more towards the theory of Link being dead, but also his way of processing his grief of losing Navi. The areas in Termina represents the stages of grief after all.
He grows up and has at least one child sometime after the events of majoras mask. We know this because it was confirmed that the hero of twilight is his descendant. It would be kinda difficult for him to grow up and have a child if he's dead.
I don’t think it really matters if Termina is real or not. It’s what the players believe. Because all of these games are just legends told by the people of Hyrule.
I've always disliked the idea of Termina simply being a "dream" or "majora's creation". On top of the already weird things that happen on majora's mask (which I would say it has its own charm), it would add on a ton more that (I'll explain in a while) don't make it any better, like, how is it that Termina has such a drastic change from Hyrule when that was the only land both characters knew of? or how is it that skull kid felt abandoned by "friends" (the giants) of his own creation?, if Termina really is a dream (or purgatory as I've seen suggested as well), then how is it that Link left some of his possesions behind only found in Termina, the hero's bow, because it is worth to point out that OoC's was the fairies' bow (or something like that) and link only carried it as an adult before MM events, so it would not make sense for it to be named like that, on top of Epona falling a little before Link, so even if Link died and somehow was turned into a Stalfos, that doesn't explain Epona's descendant (or Link's for that matter), unless you assume that literaly everything in Majora's Mask, since the beginning of the playthrough, is a dream, and that still does not explain the rest (and that would put Majora's Mask's existance in question to begin with, something we know it exist due to its description in BotW) But my biggest issue is how much it invalidates Termina, that land is filled with culture and history of its own, with characters that felt alive enough for them to justify existing as its own world (or land). Implying that Termina isn't, or wasn't real, would be incredibly lame considering how much thought and charm went into its world, and also the different outcomes of it, like how ignoring certain quests makes some people's life misserable, when it WAS something that could've been prevented, or on the flip-side, how Link can take the opposite path and make their lives almost entirely better due to it, making it all a dream would completely eliminate any sort of real consequence and in-game lore pointless because at the end of the day "it was all just skull kids creation". But, the enciclopedias are put into question constantly regardless, and the rest are just theories, so I guess I don't have much to worry about as of now.
I don't know if MsM is a dream, but to me the moon dungeon and the fight against Majora is definitely not a physical fight, it looks more like the dungeon and boss are metaphorical and it is a battle of will which Skull Kid failed 3 days before
We got to remember majora was a giant power dragon and this is just a we little mask. Imagine that dragon* was in hirule. He would be stronger than Ganon. RIGHT? * NO PUN INTENDED
I see the words from the developers themselves and the games they create are "more canon" than the books. So while the books do have some canonical value, anything in the books, (other than the timeline) that contradicts what has already been confirmed by the zelda team, is not canon. The stories and lore that come from the zelda team are far more canon and take priority over the books because not everything in the books comes directly from the zelda team. With that being said, the Aonu-man himself confirmed that termina is a parallel world, but also stated that there is more to it than that, without elaborating further. My theory is that termina is a parallel world, not a dream, created from the memories of link, the skull kid, and the tribe that created majora as a test for the hero. The memories of link would become the residents of termina, the memories of skull kid would be the four giants, and the memories of majora would be everything else. Now, who could have possibly created termina? The happy mask salesman. And no I will not elaborate on that. Another thing I wanted to mention was the fierce deity's mask. Aonuma explains, "The best way to think about it is that the memories of all the people of termina are inside the fierce deity mask." If my theory that the inhabitants of termina are created from links own memories is true, then that means the mask is actually links own memories of his adult self. This would explain why the fierce deity looks so much like adult link. The description of the mask suggests that the power of the mask is darker than majora, which may be an interpretation of links own unhealthy pride of himself. An all powerful, unstoppable hero who can smite demons and even the demon king ganon. A hero that only link remembers. Edit: also, the child on the moon wearing majoras mask (who also has the face of the happy mask salesman *wink wink nudge nudge*) calls you the bad guy and states that the bad guy will destroy termina, so I believe that termina ceases to exist when link returns to hyrule.
No. It was a portal to another World/Planet called Termina. The gateway is real and it all happened. I personally reject this theory and I'm a huge David Lynch fan. Link's Awakening is canonical in its depiction of dream world though.
@@husseinrose4883 It literally said Termina was a world that was just created by the mask that stops existing at the end of the game. It completely changes the context of the game.
im sorry but ill stick with copium and call bull shit on the dream thing. I much prefer this to be an actual thing to happen even if nintendo hates this game exists.
Honestly I think Termina was never real because as Hyrule Encyclopedia stated the world of Termina at the end of the gane seizes to exist and it make sense because many people we meet looks a lot like the people of Hyrule, also it is said that world of Termina was created using the memories of Link and Skull Kid, also there’s one key the Fierce Deity Mask because the producer said the best way to think of the fierce deity’s mask contains the all the memories and souls of the people in termina meaning link once he gets that mask he’s sealed termina’s fate to fade but they won’t be forgotten. Plus the child on the moon wearing majora’s mask called you the bad guy the bad guy that will wipe out all of termina.
Nothing about what the Encyclopedia said is really that concerning except for when it says it ceases to exist after Link leaves. There's no real indication of that happening. It being a parallel world created by Skull Kid and Majora's Mask is not contradictory to the original game's lore in the slightest and in fact explains a lot of things, especially why a lot of characters resembles those from OOT, because it was in part taken from Link's memory. The only real issue is the "ceases to be" part. And yeah, it's definitely not a dream either even if it was created by Majora's Mask.
@@novustalks7525 The Aonu-man himself confirmed that termina is a parallel world, but also stated that there is more to it than that, without elaborating further. My theory is that termina is a parallel world created from the memories of link, the skull kid, and the tribe that created majora as a test for the hero. The memories of link would become the residents of termina, the memories of skull kid would be the four giants, and the memories of majora would be everything else. Now, who could have possibly created termina? The happy mask salesman. And no I will not elaborate on that.
I do not believe Termina is a dream because this guy, www.zeldadungeon.net/wiki/Master_Craftsman%27s_Son, what he says leads me to believe he is from Hyrule.
Hyrule Encyclopedia controversy covered, now let's prepare for the 5th anniversary of the Nintendo Switch and Breath of the Wild on Thursday!
I cant believe its been 5 years already. 😭
I do wonder if it is his dream what does it represent to skullkid? In his subconscious what are the 4 giants abandoning him a metaphor for. The crushing weight of the moon, the constant anxiety of the towns folk, the fear of loss and depression, what did skull kid go through for those feelings to manifest as characters in his dream.
The theories centering around Majoras Mask being a dream/alternate dimension/afterlife are always intriguing but very funny to me because no one would be making these specific theories if the dev team had enough time to make original models for all the townsfolk.
Let me preteND pls
Dunno abt that because you still have the timeline and the hero's shade in TP. So the theory that Link died in the lost woods could still work.
@@mr.mikaeel6264 No it couldn't because he didn't die in the lost woods, and the Hero's Shade is not a stalfos. He is a spectre, a phantom, a *shade.*
@@solstice7246 Also that would imply he still grew OLDER and learned experience as a warrior. There's no way he grew up in the lost woods and died with hylian armor and what not
I heard that there were plans to have Ganondorf in the game as fisherman. I wish they had gone through with it.
I just can’t see Termina as a dream. Even the World of the Ocean King is a separate realm that exists alongside Hyrule and even Lorule. I merely see it as having been a realm whose entrance was hidden within’s The Lost Woods.
Definitely not. Skull Kid is seen in Termina before he gets the mask. It is a parallel world, the manual of Majora's Mask even calls it a parallel world.
Those books makes things up 90% of the time, as it's the writters interpretations of the games (which they confirm in the books themselves), writters who had practically no supervision from the Zelda Team. Those books are published Fanfiction and theories, and shouldn't be considered canon. This includes the timeline, which has glaring errors and contradictions with the games (looking at you Four Swords Adventures)
We need a remake of Four Swords Adventures. I don’t find a problem with Ganondorf being reincarnated after being killed. (In fact, I believe the Ganondorf in the sequel to Breath of the Wild is a new incarnation of the Demon King), but the fact that it was supposed to be a direct prequel to A Link to the Past may have tied up some plot holes.
@@chrispork1443 Ganondorf "reincarnating" goes against established lore. Ganondorf has never "reincarnated" as a new person. He is reborn time and time again, brought to life by external forces or he breaks free from his seals. When he does, his spirit lingers in the underworld until he can return to the living world.
BOTW2 Ganondorf is the same Ganon from Ocarina of Time. Not only does Creating a Champion allude to it, all mentions of Ganon in Breath of the Wild are of Ganon from Ocarina of Time (even mentioning events from Ocarina of Time itself). His round ears gives it away too, as the Gerudo only had round ears in Ocarina of Time, and pointed ears by the time of Breath of the Wild.
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But that Ganon is already dead: He was killed in The Wind Waker (Adult Timeline), Twilight Princess (Child Timeline) and The Legend of Zelda (Downfall Timeline). Are you suggesting a new timeline split going by that logic?
Cool to think about... So the legend of Zelda series has two parallel worlds, being the Twilight and Termina
And to add to that, I believe Malladus is sort of a successor to Ganon, with both him and old Hyrule being washed away at the end of The Wind Waker. Also, Ganondorf said their conflict wasn’t over just before dying in Twilight Princess, hinting that he will return for revenge in a new life.
I never thought of Termina as being just a dream. Given as to how Link is having to repeat the same three days over and over again. For the rest of Termina, its three days, for Link and Tatl, it feels like a month.
The inhabitants of Termina would have been doomed if Link had used a saddle. If he had, he would never have fallen off Epona's back. Thus, the Skull Kid would not have been able to take Epona and Link would never have fallen into Termina. Link's careless saved an entire dimension. This has no bearing whatsoever on the video, but I just wanted to share it.
You can say it was Destiny
"Come with me and ponder the question 'what if...?'"
Generally, people who think that Termina is a dream or some such thing don't appear to understand what a parallel world is. It's like that show Sliders. It's another world that exists as part of a multiverse in an alternate plane of existence. Both places really exist. Both places may or may not have the same people existing as well. Both places just exist on a different existential frequency so to speak.
Exactly. Aonuma himself confirmed in an interview that it is a parallel world. While the books have some canonical value, not everything in the books come from the zelda team. So some things contradict what the zelda team has confirmed to be canon.
Back in the day, after Majora's Mask and the two Oracle games came out my siblings and I used to joke that the Zelda series was slowly 'becoming Sliders.' Like it had started out as some sort of Peter Pan-looking knight and princess fantasy thing, but for three games in a row the plot was 'Link get whisked away to an alternate universe and has to save it.' Now, Labrynna and Holodrum are probably in the same universe as Hyrule... but maybe they aren't, let's ignore that discussion for now, as it was even less clear back then because it was before RUclips, or GameFAQs, or Zeldapedia, etc.
the MAIN flaw in the change and theory of Termina being a dreamworld/created world by majora, is the background that Tatl tells you and the flashbacks. you can clearly see them playing in termina field. see 7:32. they're playing in Termina Field thus it already exists. now if they were playing in Hyrule field, then i could see it being a possibility.
Exactly! and we saw these 2 fairies are not creation of Majora because we saw them at the begining of the game while links is traveling in the lost woods
I just dont see how the memories of a skull kid, and the power of a mask that has NO passion for life whatsoever, can make the dense, lived-in world of Termina.
It just doesn't make sense how it could make a world filled with history and a lot of unique characters essentially out if spite
The characters of Termina have too much history and culture throughout the game to not have existed before Link & Skullkid. I think it's just part of trying to shove all the games into a timeline for the purposes of that book despite each game having been designed with their own gameplay and storylines taking priority over everything else.
I love videos that cater more to exploration of thought! The question of termina's existence is a classic.
Editing was smooth too :3
I see Termina as Yin and Hyrule as Yang, both apart of the same world.
I still will always believe Termina is an alternate reality version of Hyrule, the thing about it being created by Skull Kid feels like a cop out explanation given to fans so they wouldn’t get angry at Nintendo for ruining the mystery of the game
It's like the writers of Hyrule Encyclopedia were huge fans of Disney's Alice in Wonderland and how "Wonderland" was all a dream...but never read the original Story where on the last page Alice's sister pops-up after having a similar "dream" of Wonderland. Nor ever heard that Alice in Wonderland had a sequel story where she returned to Wonderland...because Disney never made an animated movie about it.
Well, when Majora's Mask originally came out, Aonuma clearly stated that Termina is a parallel world to Hyrule. And that's what I'll always believe in.
I feel like Link falling into Termina is similar to him teleporting into the dark world in ALTTP or squeezing through the fissures into Lorule in ALBW. Like those two, I think Majora's Mask takes place in a parallel world, not a dream like Koholint.
People always seem to get mad when their fictional worlds are deemed illusory. There is clearly emotional baggage and a lot of mental gymnastics going on.
It is truly the only way the events of the game make sense and the Japanese are more comfortable with these surreal explanations. Link clearly entered the Lost Woods withouth a fairy and, as we know, thus never ends well . He was probably already an adult because the intro story tells the events of OoT like they were a long time ago.
Termina was created the moment the Skull Kid Got ahold of the ocarina of time and combined its power with that of Majora. This is the reason the entire world revolves around the concept of time, clocks etc. It makes no sense that the Song of Time now has so much power, or Link re learning Epona's Song,
Aliens? the Skull Kid Being a mythical creature? Male fairies? Monkeys talking? both an adult and child Malon doppelgänger? This is clearly some fever dream shared somehow and shaped by the immature minds of the skull kid, majora, the happy mask salesman and/or Link.
The song of healing is just saria's song backwards because it is the favorite song of the Skull Kid. Saria's song is even the last sound we hear at the end of the game.
The fact inhabirants have memories is nothing for the power of Majora combined with the ocarina of time. There is nothing out of the ordinary with people inside dreams/ilusions having a past. This is not even a new discussion. the same debate surrounds the book Alice In Wonderland which most likely influenced the game too.
We see Link as an Stalfos in the sequel (some are stll in denial about it though) he entering Ikana is the final stage in his conversion, and the elegy of emptiness is him leaving his body behind.
The concept was probably inspired by that of the black lodge from the series Twin Peaks, where dopplegangers of the characters reside too. This series also inspired Link's Awakening, making Majora's Mask a spiritual succesor.
Sorry, but Those still attached to Termina need the song of healing played to them.
Mmm no I don’t think it’s a dream, probably an alternate dimension in the lost woods, considering he has been there a few times
My take on Termina was that it was a world separate from Hyrule rather than a dream. Mainly because Link fell into that tree trunk that sent him to Termina.
Considering that Link has his Gilded Sword(If you obtained it) and Mirror Shield in the Games Credits after returning to the Lost Woods. It wasn't a dream.
I thought Majora's Mask kinda always felt like it was a waking nightmare Link is trapped in while he aged in the temple of time
It needs to be reminded constantly that the Hero's Shade was in fact remembered as a Hero. He specifically says he accepted life as the Hero. What he was lamenting over was the fact that couldn't find a worthy successor to his legacy before he died.
Yes, but nobody knew what he had to go through in OoT/MM. I mean they knew a little bit but, to them all they know is Link had the Triforce of courage and told the king about Ganondorfs betrayal.
Fierce Deity beating Majora is canon. Fierce Deity exists outside of Majora, Termina(where Link, SK and HMS are standing during the ending) exists outside of Majora, there is also knowledge of the Triforce in Termina, implying Hyrule & Termina are connected via the Lost Woods… ZE in offers nothing new that HH didn’t initially, which never stated MM was a dream. The only sensible theory it offers is that OOX Link =/= ALTTP>LA Link.
Hyrule Encycopedia's canoncity is questionable. Even so, in-game evidence trumps any guide book, and in "Majora's Mask", when Tatl describes her and Tael meeting Skull Kid for the first time, one of the scenes that follows is Skull Kid and the fairies playing in Termina Field, long before he gets Majora's Mask. Not to mention there are no in-game suggestions that Termina isn't a real place, unlike the case with Koholit in "Link's Awakening".
Reasons I think it’s a different dimension and not a dream:
Zelda gives you the OOT and tells you the goddess of time is watching over link, which provides a reason for being able to reset time.
The scene of chasing skull kid after he steals your horse takes place in hyrule or just outside of hyrule. This means the mask and skull kid exist in the same world as Hyrule and the whole story of OOT.
Where the different dimension comes into place is the fall through the log that goes down super far, and you end up coming out in a town that never existed/was mentioned in OOT.
Is this an alternate hyrule called termina where a kingdom doesn’t exist and instead people just live in a town? No ganon no Zelda just a town of people who are the same as the inhabitants of OOT?
I don’t think it’s a dream so much as a pocket dimension that exists in the lost woods, as you go into a tree and never come back out during majoras mask or after.
Also the flower you land on breaks a huge fall, would it be possible for link to return to hyrule at the end of majoras mask by using the deku flower?
He must’ve returned somehow as he is the one who teaches Twilight Princess Link the art of sword fighting.
Yes and also remember the cutscene of the skull kids meeting the fayris in Termina Field and him without the Majoras Mask
Also aonuma stated termina is in a paralel univers.
I've honestly been hoping someone would bring this up again so I could propose my own interpretation. So, my idea is that Hyrule Encyclopedia is slightly misinterpreted. In my interpretation, Skull Kid wandered into a world that had yet to be created. The world acted similar to the room of requirement from Harry Potter. The Skull Kid shaped the world and filled it with familiar faces and his own creations. Over time, the world began to act autonomously, no longer in his control. His friends, the four giants, took on the role of protectors as they were created. The Skull Kid, no longer in control of this world and its inhabitants, began to lash out. This lead to the story we heard from Anju's grandmother and subsequently to the events of Majora's Mask as a whole. I realize it doesn't work perfectly, as it doesn't really fit Hyrule Encyclopedia or fan need for it to be a real world, but it's the best I could think of to bridge the divide.
It would very poetic if the sequel game in each of the 3 timelines were dream worlds
I think that is exactly what Encyclopedia tried to establish but it simply doesn´t work with previously established canon.
I thought it was concluded that the 5 stages of grief weren't Link's when "the Link is dead" theory from Game Theory was debunked.
I’m fine with it if Termina was created by Majora’s Mask rather than being a pre-existing world but I really hate the idea that it vanishes after the events of the game.
i think that termina was real, because of one singular thing. Once link is back in the woods at the end of the game you can still see the mirror shield and the gilded sword on his back, meaning he has all the stuff from that world. And something to back it up: in links awakening in the post scene link does not have the red tunic or anything like he did at the beginning before he crashed on the island
Majoras mask is definitely in my top three Zelda games but for years now my head cannon has been it was all a dream link had. There are so many story elements to the game that make that the most likely scenario to me. I prefer termina to be a figment if his imagination, because based on the rules ocarina sets up for time travel, every time we play the song of time it should create a new time line. So every time we don’t make it to the top of the tower with the four giants, that would mean everyone in that time line dies in a lunar apocalypse. There are an infinite amount of anju’s waiting at the alter and dying alone. Yeah… I’m cool with a dream land.
Two things I never understood when playing Majora's Mask right after Ocarina of Time was why was the Kokiri Blade redesigned and where did the Hero's Shield come from when Link had the Hylian Shield at the end of Ocarina yet has the Hero's Shield in the Flashback with Zelda.
Anyways thanks for talking about this mask I’m wearing
So in Oot Link got send back to the point of only having his sword and shield and lost all his gear from the dungeons. So technically Termina was just a side adventure that gave Link the opportunity to get all of his gear back plus some.
This weekend im gonna load up on snacks and re-play Majoras Mask again :) Hello old friend.
I was wondering when someone would get to this theory, only it was about Link having the dream.
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What if Majora's Mask is a dream Link is having while asleep during his 7yr seal?
Well, seeing as this game takes place in the child timeline split after the ending of ocarina of time where we see link travel back to his childhood, I don't find this theory likely.
Among other things, Epona makes that impossible.
Shocking video - surface level research
At the end of the day we know Termina is a real place due to Darmani III being honored in BotW. That said another theory is each game are nothing more than Legend, stories passed down from generation. This could be why Termina is shrouded in mystery and why we can't agree on where or what it is.
Termina is a parallel world. This was confirmed by Aonuma. However, the deeds and feats of links journey in termina was never revealed to hyrule. So his appearance as a statue in botw is more likely a neat easter egg than a real piece of lore. Especially considering the fact that it was never acknowledged by anyone in game.
@@andresbarquin The manual also states this however he also stated the lore can be up for debate. Given the reference is a Monument rather than a place named after something, I feel there is more to it.
Also how would we know if Link didn't tell his tell of Termina or it is but an epic spun of the hero due to his missing time? I don't recall anything from any lore stating Termina was kept secret from Hyrule.
@@HECTOR8HELL8 all of the hero of time's journies were kept a secret from the public. That is why he was not remembered as a hero. If people did know of his adventures, he would have been seen as a hero.
It being a statue does make it more significant I agree, so maybe he told the story to the royal family, and thousands of years later the stories were declassified. What still doesn't make sense though, is why would they make a statue of him? He was goron sure, but he was not really a part of hyrule's goron tribe. So why would they view him to be significant?
@@andresbarquin In OoT Link let's Zelda know in detail what will happen if Ganon was not stopped before leaving Hyrule to search for Navi. I could see why they would withhold the information of a time traveler forwarning Hyrules demise from the public as it could cause skepticism or panic.
However when Link returned to Hyrule who is to say he didn't share stories of his travels in search for his friend. At this point he isn't seen as any great hero by the public just another soldier raising the ranks.
@@HECTOR8HELL8 fair point. I still don't understand why the gorons would acknowledge darmani since he wasn't a part of their history.
It doesn’t really matter if Tri Force Heroes is canon or not. However, I find the idea that Termina being a dream world like Koholint Island isn’t true.
My own theory is that it's another reality with similarities to Hyrule that we're used to.
You see this in media sometimes, where a character ends up in another reality. The world is drastically different and maybe even has different rules, but it has the exact same looking people just with different personalities. The same looking characters have are also associated with the same people sometimes too.
Although the only problem with this, is that there isn't another Link in Termina. Maybe i can make a very far stretch and assume Termina's Link died or something, but there's no evidence for it, unless we maybe force the Elegy of Emptiness and Great Deity Mask as evidence.
This is a silly explanation, but one I (and definitely others) have thought about.
I think termina is like the dark world, a reflection of hyrule, also the problem with the ITS A DREAM idea is then well, where was majora when the man danced with him and grabbed the scale that gets carved into the mask. Of course you could also assume that the books are not official which would make me so sad.
The books have some canonical value, but not everything in the books comes from the zelda team themselves. The only thing in the books we know comes from the zelda team is the timeline. So anything in the books that contradicts information that comes from the zelda team (games, interviews, timeline, ect.) Is not canon. Everything else in the books is canon until stated otherwise. At least that's how I see it.
Aonuma confirmed termina is a parallel world.
It could've been Major's Mask reminds me of the movie Groundhog's Day
So is it real or à dream.... It’s in the title! It’s a legend
Nintendo said it's a parallel world.
When faced with any doubt remember: The Zonai did it.
Im pretty sure that ive heard legit info that termina as a world and word is supposed to reference terminal as a inbetween space/liminal space.
Also if the masks represents the 5 stages of grief which i think it is, could skull kid represent the shadow/darkness in link creating these trials?
Isn't the Goron Chief that died in Majora's Mask in the Goron Mt. Rushmore in Breath of the Wild?
Why is it so hard to accept its just another realm. Not like zelda don't have alternate dimensions
I love your videos
Hasn't it already been made official that it's an alternate dimension?
Hey don’t call my game a dream
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I feel like the fact that Koume and Katome are not only alive (they are shown 100% dieing in OoT, they literally argue about the halos above their heads after you defeat then in spirit temple as they rise up disappearing into3the sky. The also are not evil adopted parents of ganondorf that try to kill you in majoras mask but just peopl that fill a role in this world like other characters the make and appearance from links own mind such as the windmill guy being in Majoras, construction people etc. because it's using links mind or in his mind. No one has said my theory and official canon lore counters this. But if i got to choose the time link. then Majoras mask would ACTUALLY BE BETWEEN WIND WAKER AND OoT! Wind waker is the timeline where link failed to defeat ganon and ganon flooded the world. I like the idea that majoras mask is link dying and each segment of the game are (as many youtubers have pointed out!) are LITERALLY the 5 stages of grief.
Clocktown - denial (this is obvious the town is denying the moon LITERALLY CRASHING ON THEM THAT YOU CAN SEE because they just don't want it to be true so they can have the festival.
Swamp Temple - Anger.....the deku king is literally the embodiment of anger.
Mountains - Bargaining, yeah the gorons are literally all BEGGING you to get their newly dead king's child to stop crying. Durani literally begs you to soothe his sons despair of missing his father.
Ocean - Depression....i mean, this is another obvious one with the whole cutscene for getting the zora mask and the queen can literally not sing because of DEPRESSION OF DEAD MATE.
Canyon - Acceptance. the invisible dude accepts his death to give oyu stone mask, the mummy guys daughter accepts her fathers "ugliness", the dead ikanaking accepts his death after and passes on.
Conrad, what are your opinions on Elden Ring? It seems like it’s right up your alley.
From all realms of zelda termina is the land i would like to live in if i would have to choose without the moon that is...
I never thought of Termina as a dream. I'm leaning more towards the theory of Link being dead, but also his way of processing his grief of losing Navi. The areas in Termina represents the stages of grief after all.
He grows up and has at least one child sometime after the events of majoras mask. We know this because it was confirmed that the hero of twilight is his descendant. It would be kinda difficult for him to grow up and have a child if he's dead.
Short answer: no.
Long answer: of course not.
IF majoras mask was a dream than that would mean each timeline involves a dream like world. Because wasn't phantom hourglass also a dream world.
I don’t think it really matters if Termina is real or not. It’s what the players believe. Because all of these games are just legends told by the people of Hyrule.
I've always disliked the idea of Termina simply being a "dream" or "majora's creation". On top of the already weird things that happen on majora's mask (which I would say it has its own charm), it would add on a ton more that (I'll explain in a while) don't make it any better, like, how is it that Termina has such a drastic change from Hyrule when that was the only land both characters knew of? or how is it that skull kid felt abandoned by "friends" (the giants) of his own creation?, if Termina really is a dream (or purgatory as I've seen suggested as well), then how is it that Link left some of his possesions behind only found in Termina, the hero's bow, because it is worth to point out that OoC's was the fairies' bow (or something like that) and link only carried it as an adult before MM events, so it would not make sense for it to be named like that, on top of Epona falling a little before Link, so even if Link died and somehow was turned into a Stalfos, that doesn't explain Epona's descendant (or Link's for that matter), unless you assume that literaly everything in Majora's Mask, since the beginning of the playthrough, is a dream, and that still does not explain the rest (and that would put Majora's Mask's existance in question to begin with, something we know it exist due to its description in BotW)
But my biggest issue is how much it invalidates Termina, that land is filled with culture and history of its own, with characters that felt alive enough for them to justify existing as its own world (or land). Implying that Termina isn't, or wasn't real, would be incredibly lame considering how much thought and charm went into its world, and also the different outcomes of it, like how ignoring certain quests makes some people's life misserable, when it WAS something that could've been prevented, or on the flip-side, how Link can take the opposite path and make their lives almost entirely better due to it, making it all a dream would completely eliminate any sort of real consequence and in-game lore pointless because at the end of the day "it was all just skull kids creation".
But, the enciclopedias are put into question constantly regardless, and the rest are just theories, so I guess I don't have much to worry about as of now.
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I don't know if MsM is a dream, but to me the moon dungeon and the fight against Majora is definitely not a physical fight, it looks more like the dungeon and boss are metaphorical and it is a battle of will which Skull Kid failed 3 days before
I take the information from those encyclopedias with a grain of salt.
Sylvester as the narrator 😪
We got to remember majora was a giant power dragon and this is just a we little mask. Imagine that dragon* was in hirule. He would be stronger than Ganon. RIGHT?
* NO PUN INTENDED
I see the words from the developers themselves and the games they create are "more canon" than the books. So while the books do have some canonical value, anything in the books, (other than the timeline) that contradicts what has already been confirmed by the zelda team, is not canon. The stories and lore that come from the zelda team are far more canon and take priority over the books because not everything in the books comes directly from the zelda team.
With that being said, the Aonu-man himself confirmed that termina is a parallel world, but also stated that there is more to it than that, without elaborating further. My theory is that termina is a parallel world, not a dream, created from the memories of link, the skull kid, and the tribe that created majora as a test for the hero. The memories of link would become the residents of termina, the memories of skull kid would be the four giants, and the memories of majora would be everything else. Now, who could have possibly created termina? The happy mask salesman. And no I will not elaborate on that.
Another thing I wanted to mention was the fierce deity's mask. Aonuma explains, "The best way to think about it is that the memories of all the people of termina are inside the fierce deity mask." If my theory that the inhabitants of termina are created from links own memories is true, then that means the mask is actually links own memories of his adult self. This would explain why the fierce deity looks so much like adult link. The description of the mask suggests that the power of the mask is darker than majora, which may be an interpretation of links own unhealthy pride of himself. An all powerful, unstoppable hero who can smite demons and even the demon king ganon. A hero that only link remembers.
Edit: also, the child on the moon wearing majoras mask (who also has the face of the happy mask salesman *wink wink nudge nudge*) calls you the bad guy and states that the bad guy will destroy termina, so I believe that termina ceases to exist when link returns to hyrule.
No this theory is as dumb as a dream becoming a seagull because they "want to".
Termina is real, even if its an alternate reality. It's real.
No. It was a portal to another World/Planet called Termina. The gateway is real and it all happened. I personally reject this theory and I'm a huge David Lynch fan. Link's Awakening is canonical in its depiction of dream world though.
Termina is in a paralel univers
... no bulli hytopia
This acually might be a wrong theory ikana proves it wrong
NO
the more like majora's mask botw2 is the better
I hate the Hyrule Encyclopedia for this. Horrible, horrible interpretation of Majora's Mask and an insult against a great game.
Not really, it doesn't contradict or change anything
@@husseinrose4883 It literally said Termina was a world that was just created by the mask that stops existing at the end of the game. It completely changes the context of the game.
im sorry but ill stick with copium and call bull shit on the dream thing. I much prefer this to be an actual thing to happen even if nintendo hates this game exists.
The legend of Zelda it’s pretty rad those creatures from ganon are pretty bad
Honestly I think Termina was never real because as Hyrule Encyclopedia stated the world of Termina at the end of the gane seizes to exist and it make sense because many people we meet looks a lot like the people of Hyrule, also it is said that world of Termina was created using the memories of Link and Skull Kid, also there’s one key the Fierce Deity Mask because the producer said the best way to think of the fierce deity’s mask contains the all the memories and souls of the people in termina meaning link once he gets that mask he’s sealed termina’s fate to fade but they won’t be forgotten. Plus the child on the moon wearing majora’s mask called you the bad guy the bad guy that will wipe out all of termina.
It's not a dream, it was real. Though it was made real from the memories of link and skull kid through the majoras mask, it ceases to be now.
Nothing about what the Encyclopedia said is really that concerning except for when it says it ceases to exist after Link leaves. There's no real indication of that happening. It being a parallel world created by Skull Kid and Majora's Mask is not contradictory to the original game's lore in the slightest and in fact explains a lot of things, especially why a lot of characters resembles those from OOT, because it was in part taken from Link's memory.
The only real issue is the "ceases to be" part. And yeah, it's definitely not a dream either even if it was created by Majora's Mask.
Yes. Definitely a dream
The creator said it wasn't a dream and it is not a dream.
@@TheLastVortex5 Nintendo haven't commented on it
@@novustalks7525 well if u think its a dream than go ahead. Im not explaining but there are sources and interviews.
@@novustalks7525 The Aonu-man himself confirmed that termina is a parallel world, but also stated that there is more to it than that, without elaborating further. My theory is that termina is a parallel world created from the memories of link, the skull kid, and the tribe that created majora as a test for the hero. The memories of link would become the residents of termina, the memories of skull kid would be the four giants, and the memories of majora would be everything else. Now, who could have possibly created termina? The happy mask salesman. And no I will not elaborate on that.
I do not believe Termina is a dream because this guy, www.zeldadungeon.net/wiki/Master_Craftsman%27s_Son, what he says leads me to believe he is from Hyrule.