Roland VH-11, 12 & 13 Hi-hat Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2017
- Learn about the difference of Roland VH-11, Roland VH-12 & Roland VH-13 electronic drum hi-hats. After watching this, you know what to get.
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The VH-11 consists of 3 parts. A top hi-hat cymbal including clutch, a controller and a rotation stopper plate to prevent the controller from spinning.
The VH-11 is one of the most popular electronic drums hi-hats as it is compatible with so many e-drum modules.
The setup is straightforward. Remove the felt piece from your hihat stand, apply the rotation stopper, then the controller and now the hi-hat. Make sure the Roland Logo points away from you. Press the pedal to fix the clutch and setup the trigger values. That’s it.
The playing feel is great. It does not have a bottom cymbal but that is almost not noticeable. This hi-hat works perfect with those modules and good enough with those. You have 2 zones, it is chokable and the open-close transition is not noticeable with these modules. You have a 2Box module? No Problem, get one of those 42Box adapters to make the VH-11 compatible with your drumit 5.
What is so great about this hi-hat? It is not too noisy, it moves realistically and the setup process is quick and easy.
What is not so good? The top part will rotate if you don’t have a proper hi-hat stand.
The Roland VH-13
The VH-13 is the best but most expensive e-drum hi-hat on the market. It looks a bit better than the VH-11.
It consists a bottom piece and a top cymbal. The setup process is quite intense, hence to its construction. The anti-spinning gear is made for all kinds of “hi-hat stand-pipe types”. The special anti-spinning rubber holder comes in 3 different sizes. XL, L and M. A solid metal clamp holds the anti-spinning rubber in place.
The VH-13 has an inner stereo cable to connect the bottom part with the top part. The hi-hat clutch is similar to the VH-11 clutch. It looks and functions like an acoustic hi hat clutch.
Press the pedal, use this automatic setup function of the TD-30 and tighten the clutch screw. Done!
What is so special about the VH-13 in terms of triggering? It has this Foot Pressure Sensing feature. Meaning you press your hi-hat pedal when the hats are closed and the module generates a high pitch sound. Can it get more realistic? No!
But keep in mind that the triggering result is only great in combination with the right module ( meaning the TD-30 and 50. Yes, it works with a TD-20X too, but not as good as the VH-12.
No other e-drum hi-hat is as realistic. It feels so authentic. The whole surface can be played and triggers consistently well.
What is so cool about the VH-13? It looks and feels more realistic than the VH-11. The triggering is accurate, it is super sensitive and the bottom part will never spin.
What is not so good about the VH-13? It is loud! Very loud. The hollow inner space amplifies noise. It is Metallic Grey. What, but that looks nice, right? It does, until the colour comes off, which will happen at some point. Thanks god, Roland released a black version of the VH-13 with the TD-50KV.
But the VH-13 works with older Roland modules right? It does, but the result is not as good as an older Roland module in combination with an older hi-hat. And what about 2Box Drumtit 5? Zourman will help you here too.
The Roland VH-12
Is almost the exact same hi-hat as the VH-13. It consists the same parts, only the opening and closing sensor is different, but this is not notable at all while playing.
The trigger result with a TD-30 and 50 is identical to the VH-13 triggering. No difference. It is compatible with the TD-12 and the plain TD-20 with no expansion, with an average trigger result, in combination with a TDW-20 and TD-20X with an awesome trigger result. And 2 Box friends, you guessed it. The 42Box is also available for Roland VH-12. Have fun.
Side note, the VH-12 is not in production anymore, you have to dig on eBay or reverb to get one. It is available in Black and Silver colour. I would avoid the silver ones, as they have the same downside as the metallic grey VH-13.
Is a VH-12 compatible with a Roland TD-25? No. Should you buy a VH-12 if you have a TD-12 or a plain TD-20? No, because the trigger result is not great. Stick with the VH-11 here.
Should you buy a VH-12 in combination with a Roland TDW-20 or TD-20X or even TD-30 or 50? Hell yeah.
What do all 3 have in common?
All 3 hihats have a diameter of 12”, all have a similar clutch, all need 2 cables and all 3 need a hi-hat stand with a strong spring.
A much needed video, thanks for making it!
65 Drums Thanks Justin. I got this question a lot and thought I have to clarify some misconceptions about the 3 hi-hats.
65 Drums and thank you for making yours. Pity Roland drum kits keep falling apart on me. Not as fast as the Alesis Crimson.
It's not a nice video, my teachers never had music playing in the background, thankfully!
As expected, a very good, clear concise, short video to tell us what we need to know... and answer questions we did not think about.
Thanks Kevin:)
I got a vh-11 today, on sale to go with my td9. I am very happy with it after a few hours of playing, Wow what a difference from my old pd-what/ever. I paired it with a high quality stand with strong springs. Love it!
Fantastic video! Keep it up!
This was very helpful. I'm pretty sure there's a little sponge insert they make for the vh-10 and 11, allowing you to do that high-pitch shift change like on the 13.
WOW thanks for this great walkthrough and comparison! I've been researching for a while and only got more confused. My setup uses the TD-12 so I supposed it's the VH-11 for me!
absolutely what i was looking for - great explanation and great tempo to the video too btw. helped me immensely :)
Nice one, thanks for sharing this info! I use a TD-12 with the VH-12 and you are right about the trigger response. However, while using Superior Drummer you can enhance the trigger response. The best combination I ever played though was the TD-30 with the VH-13 and triggering Superior Drummer. It hardly gets better.
Mike Luke Thanks Mike. Superior Drummer is the only thing that can fix the trigger issues a bit. The best combination are actually both VH-12/13 + TD-30 :) The TD-20x works great too, I remember having the VH-12 with the TDW-20 and it was already nice.
@@Vdrumtips1 Do you know if it is possible in 2022 to upgrade a TD-20 module to TDW-20? Actually I would not use the sounds from the TD-20. However, I wonder if I upgrade to TDW-20 I will get the VH-12 playability improvements.
Wow, awesome job! Thank you for making this video.
Nice video. I have a VH-11 and this video convinced me to stay with that even if I upgrade the rest of my kit
kirk rummelhoff Many guys keep the VH-11, even the guys with huge sets:)
The VH11 works fine with both the Strike module and the DM10 MK2 Pro modules I have. Mind you, I don't use the internal audio - I run Superior Drummer 3 and do the hi-hat calibration inside SD3 for the most part, so that might have something to do with it.
The Alesis modules send great velocity information to SD3, so its easy to then calibrate the different positions.
Brilliant Video - So informative GREAT JOB!!!
Excellent! Answered all my questions. Even ones I didn’t know I had
That's great:)
Very, very helpful video. Subscribed!
A great / concise video!! Very informative! Helps in my consideration of things in the future.
Thanks John! Glad to hear that it helps you!
Vdrum Tips mine too! I haven't owned one since I sold my TD-20.
Great vid, cheers
This is awesome! Thanks so much for this info.
Jim Cheseborough You are welcome. Now you know what to get;)
great video... saved me a lot of money !
Thank you for the great video. I am trying to replicate the hi-hat sound you can hear in Duran Duran’s Rio song that is like an accent on the hi-hat when playing the bass drum at the same time. Will the VH-13 do that? I currently have a VH-11 with a TD-25 so it looks like my upgrade path is quite expensive since I should upgrade to a TD-50 if I understood your video correctly. Thank you for sharing your great knowledge!
Awesome video! Straight to the point
Thank you:)
Nice and very concise comparison. Thanks!
I own a VH-11, mostly because the noise of the 12 / 13 is just too much for my poor neighbors. Thanks to this video I can now be at peace with that.
Clairvoyant81 Yes, there is really a huge difference between the 2 in terms of noise.
Does the vh-11 turns when playing to the point that becomes annoying?
@@pgn77 no, the VH-11 does not turn at all. i've had one for years and it's completely fine.
Thanks very usefull vid !
One thing to note about the Pearl Mimic. It has HH pitch increase and it is a feature compatible with all hi hat triggers. You can adjust the open and close point even on a foot pedal type hi hat and there is a setting for "extra tight" which is where the pitch increase happens. So not only can you use pitch increase with any hi hat you choose but you can custom tailor how easy or hard the effect is to achieve.
Great video regardless.
Thanks, I found this out after making the video and it is another reason why the Mimic is great. If I would have one, I would get a VH-10 or 11. BTW. SD3 does that too.
I did not know that. But Im not much of a fan of software. I like having things all in one box. @@Vdrumtips1
Awesome! Thanks!
Nice video but didn’t quite get what is the problem of combination td 11 (ver1.1) and vh12. To me works perfect! Could you specify? thanks!
Hey Vdrum tip,
I'm looking forward in buying the AD-H14 but I don't know if it'll work the Alesis strike module. Do you know if it would or should I go for a Roland Hi hat? Anyways, any opinion or advise will be welcome. Thank you so much, man!
Can a VH-12 be made to work with a TD-11? Or is their no benefit, and it's just not worth trying to go higher than a VH-11 with the TD-11 (not even with some kind of adapter kit, or with EZDrummer etc and a laptop)? Anyone with a TD-11 have experience with this? Thanks!
I own a VH-11 hi hat that came with my TD-12 Roland electronic drum kit.
The VH-11 hi hat has intermittent false triggering problems. To stop the false triggering I have to step real hard on the hi hat pedal, but after a few minutes and my left leg gets sore, it's very frustrating. I think that there must a loose solder connection or something along those lines. Does anybody know of any fixes for it?
Thanks.
Great video thanks! Would a VH-12 work with a TD-17? Many thanks!
I still use The Roland TD10 not expanded module. I purchased it new it 1999.
Will the 11 hi hats work with my old module?
Hi!
I bought a beat up td 20 that comes with a vh 12, I am thinking in getting an alesis pro strike module for it... i was wondering if its possible to make the vh12 work with it? Also i would like to know what modules of ay brand is the vh12 compatible with?
Thank you.
Is there a difference between the VH-12 black and silver (SV) versions? Apart from cosmetic?? I’ve heard the SV was updated slightly....
How are you mounting your headphones on your hi hat stand? Is it an adapter? If so, what one?
Cool Video, thumbs up!
mrsayang Thanks
Hi nice video , is the VH-13 compatible with the td 25 module thanks
is the vh 13 usable on a td 17? Roland officially says no but I believe you can use it on td17 loosing some features
Thank you!
HELP PLEASE : can you use the VH13's with ANY hi hat stand ? thanks and great video by the way
A new version of this video is necessary. Included VH-10 and another modules. Thanks.
Fun fact some might not know is that groove in the clutch is for a drop clutch
Which is best for the mimic?
Do any of these work well with the altmode DITI?
Are you sure that it doesn't work 100% well with the TD-12? Thanks!
The pad spinning around it? Any advise?
Awesome review!
Following the channel now!
Does VH-12 or VH-13 works with Roland TD-17?
I am thinking about buying a TD-17KVX set and maybe replacing the hi hat.
No, the TD-17 does not support VH-12 and 13.
Vdrum Tips if you are going to chose between those 3 sets, wich one would you choose?
TD-17KVX (new), TD-20X (used) or TD-25KV(new)?
Great video. Thank you so much. I have a TD-20 triggering Superior Drummer 3 (and only use it for SD3 - not for the TD-20 sounds). In your video you make it clear that the VH-12 gets only average results with the TD-20. Does the VH-11 get better results/triggering with the TD-20? In other words, is the VH-12 worse than the VH-11 with the TD-20 or are they equal? And does your answer apply only for the internal TD-20 hi hat sounds or also when triggering Superior Drummer 3? Will SD3 hi hats sounds better with a VH-12 and TD-20X/TDW-20 than with a TD-20 and VH-11? Thanks for your thoughts!
Colin Drake They are pretty much equal on TDW-20 and TD-20X. The VH-12 is just not perfect with the plain TD-20. SD3 is a different story, trough to the adjustment options. The VH-11 is good with all of them.
Vh 13 works with the td17 module?
what's hi hat si compatible Roland td10
is it compatible with alesis strike pro kit?
Compatibility whit Roland td10??
The vh12 it works with The td4 module?
What is your opinion of the ATV hi hats, compared to VH-13s? I just picked up the ATVs to replace VH-11s (note that pressure feature works with VH-11s on Mimic pro).
Iron Giant It is a great hi-hat in combination with the Pearl Mimic, but does not perform so well with Roland modules. If you have a mimic, then you made a good choice.
I recently upgraded my VH-11 to VH-13 for my TD30 module. I don't really feel much difference but the NOISE of the VH-13 specially when closing the hihat makes me sick. I'm thinking of going back to VH-11 :(
Thanks for this, good comparison. I have a VH-13 but I'm irritated by the sound it makes when opening/closing (can hear it clearly even with my headphones on). This is especially irritating when playing jazz. Anyone have a solution/workaround for this? could you combine a FD-9 with the VH-13 for instance?
Oscar Roberto Brouwer Depends if the noise is from the vh13 or the stand. The best solution are noise cancelling headphones.
I didn't think of noise canceling headphones yet, thanks, however this problem would also arise when i practice with my jazz band at low volumes (amplifier). I read something about applying felt / velcro tape on the bottom hat of the VH13. Any experience with it?
Oscar Roberto Brouwer No, but the idea is great.
Do you have any advice for a beginner? I would like to play Jazz drums, I am getting the FD-11. I have a TD-6 Roland with mesh-head snare and toms.
Hey! Very good Video, awesome Job! Can you explain what a proper Hihat stand is? I want to get a Roland TD30 with the vh-11 and heard about the rotation issues. I have a Mapex Falcon Hihat Stand, is it good enough?
A good hihat stand for the VH-11 needs a strong spring and is able to fix the pole properly.
These ones are good:
geni.us/DW9500stand
geni.us/h1050
Hey there, such a coincidence I have recently got the TD30 and also with the mapex falcon Hihat stand. There is a slight rotational issue but it's far from annoying. I usually spin the hat to its right place after 30mins of playing
Matt Barker Have you tried to tighten the rod of the stand with a gripper? I would go to a music store and check hihat stands where the rod can be tightened. My dw9500 has counternuts at the rod winding, that keeps the rod tight.
Desperately need some help with my kit. Any chance. You would do a Skype session with me?
Does it work with td 17?...
Which hi-hat stand did you find most suitable for the VH-11 to prevent the pad from spinning??
The best one is this: amzn.to/2DMDvIF
And the repair? My hi hat lose sensibility, what I do?
Hello! Nice Video! VH-11 is noisy comparing to other 2?
Thanks!
Amauri Pimenta The VH-11 is not that noisy. VH-12 and 13 are much louder.
I thinking of upgrading to the Roland TD 25. I currently have a TD 8 module. I dont have any Vdrum hihats. Which Roland Vdrum Hihat should I get? thanks.
There are only 2 you can get with a TD-25....the VH-11 or 10.
Just get the td30 save up a little extra cash it will be worth it
I just can't seem to get my VH-11 to feel and respond anything like an actual hi-hat 😞
hi, thx for ur great vid! I was about to buy a vh13 until i saw ur vid. im using a TD12 and vh11 but with BFD3 over PC for the sound, so the reason for me was the open-close transition and i mean the acurate and sensitive triggering here not so much the sound. would u say it is the same as the vh11 which i am using now? i imagined it must be miles better. (Im playing for 5 years now). thx for an answer. anyone who knows the difference between vh11 and vh13 please share ur insight:)
The TD-12 in combination with either VH-12 or 13 is not great. Keep the VH-11.
ty very much for your answer. i had the possibility to buy a vh13 for 300 euro, but didnt do it thx to your video. i will tweak my vh11 more. biggest problem is that the closed sound not always comes out.
Hi, guys! Has anyone had problems adjusting CY-13R and CY-12C to Toontrack SD 2.0? I can't get choke sounds whatever I do :(. I also have issues with the new PDX-100 as a snare. The center of the pad is amazingly louder\more sensitive than the rest of the pad, which results in hard-sounding shots when I hit directly in the center.
moristar1101 Check Drumangle trigger setup video.
Hi, sorry, what is Drumangle? Where can I find this video? Thanks for helping me out!
moristar1101 Drumangle is a channel. The owner is called Luke Oswald
Drum set?
What would be the Combination of an VH-12 and a TD-17? Would that be okay? Thank you for your answer..
The TD-17 doesn't comply with the VH-12 nor the VH-13. I'm sorry
Will VH-11 work with the Roland TD-3 module?
Not really. It will kind of, but the result is not good.
I have a td12 and a vh 12 and it's great, not sure why you are saying they don't work well together.
Thanks a lot mate!!! I just purchased one and wasn't sure. :-)
Hey man, same settings here with the v 1.11 on the td 12. What settings are you using on the vh 12?
@@zeee4657 I sold it a while ago and bought a td50. There is a guide on vh 12 manual, it goes through the steps to set it up. I'm sure there are some guides on RUclips too. The trick is getting the pressure set up right, which you need to configure in the module.
@@zeee4657 this guys video might help
ruclips.net/video/h40hkP6yc6s/видео.html
@@Crazen2 hey man thanks a lot 🙏🏾🙏🏾 I’ll give it a shot. Thanks
My Roland KV 11 have a virtual hit hat (without hardware ) so the question is: can i put the first one of the video ? Should install with the same roland pedal because every time sounds it close. Can you help me? Thanx
By "virtual hi-hat" you mean the CY-5 + FD-8 pedal right?
Vdrum Tips exact! So i would like play my roland KV11 with VH-11 hit hat. But i dont know if its posible..
Yes, it is compatible.
Is the roland VH-12 compatible with the TD-15?
Real Ekalamutmut No, otherwise I would have mentioned it.
Do VH-12 work with the TD11 KV?
DrSwaggy Bro No, otherwise I would have listed it;)
Are these compatible with an Alesis nitro mesh kit?
Did you ever try it out?
I use the VH13 on the TD12, might not have all features, but the feeling is miles better than the VH11.
works 100% with the TD12 if updated the module
what Hihat is compatible with TD9?
VH11 and various mountable pads (eg: Cy5). Wouldn't recommend picking anything below the VH11.
VH-11 still sucks with the ad5,great with the td-9 though
I'have got a TD-6V. Can I still use one of these hi-hats?
Check the user manual of either the hi-hat or the module. I think the VH-11 is compatible.
Ah nice thank you. I don't know how to close my hi-hat for playing with double pedal bassdrum. Do you know that?
Either connect a second hihat that is always closed or use a VH-11 with a special drop clutch.
Vdrum Tips In an Acoustic drum HI-hat I can just clone it by push ist in the other ONE. Does that make Sense? Hopefully you Known what I mean. So you know how to close a Acoustic drum hi-hat. Can i clone the VH-11 just like this?
Those the all This hi hats work with the td 11?
No, only the VH-11.
Vdrum Tips ok thanks YOU ARE the best e drummer in the world
You think Roland will release a digital Hi hat?
I think so.
The TD-50 doesn’t have the extra digital input for nothing
ColdfacekillerJr KonekoToujouFan that's no very helpful lol
'But tenks to Gott' awesome sir
Pump you up
Great video! Btw, I'm pretty sure it's meant to be pronounced "For 2 Box", not "Forty two Box". Just saying...
"For the 2 Box users" != "Forty-two Box users"
@@halbgefressen9768 right, if you have the German accent in mind you understand the words 😉
hey Which Of These Hi-Hats Are compatible with the roland td11k Module If any haha
VeltriDrummer The VH-11, as shown in the video:)
Vdrum Tips omg thanks so much :) this will help in the future if I decide to upgrade :)
Come on Roland your drums are great but your cymbals & Hi-hats are way too annoyingly noisy when practising, plus much too expensive for such a disappointing product.
Sounds like Arnold Schwarzenegger
What puzzles me is how much time Roland spent to make great cymbal and hhat dynamics and responsiveness, while their Toms and snare dynamics SUCK...
Will VH-11 work with the Roland TD-4 module?
no
Does this work with a Roland td7 percussion sound module?
No, else I would have listed it and also, check the user manual.
Vdrum Tips any recommendations for a hi hat pad, I know I’m using an old module but I really need a get cymbal or Tom pad for electronic set
ToxicBloom What module are you using?
Vdrum Tips Roland td 7 module, it’s pretty old honestly