Roland VH10 VS VH11 Best Electronic Hihat Under $500
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- There are two 12" Roland hihats that cost $310 and $430. Which is better? Is there even a difference?
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I feel like having 3 hi hats as your cymbals is a power move
bought the vh-10 some months back. my first "not-a-pad-on-the-rack-with-a-crap-pedal" has been incredible when pair with a real hi-hat stand. before buying, i debated but in the end i was not convinced that the 11's minor metal upgrades were worth the extra money and i feel i made the right call. it feels great and i couldn't imagine preferring the older and heavier design. it enabled me to improve my actual hi-hat skills immensely in just days. happy customer.
I've owned and experimented with them both and I think they are both Great Hi-Hats but the VH-10 wins overall in my book as well. 👍
Wow I didn't know you owned a vh10!
@@65Drums I actually have 2 of them at the moment. LOL. I buy and sell a lot of Roland V-Drums Equipment. Some I keep, most of it I sell.
@@youngguns996 nice! I got an amazing deal on this kit, so i thought I'd make some videos on it and then resell it
@@65Drums I bought a few TD-17KVX Kits at a great price and I kept a few things that I wanted out of the kits and then I parted out the rest and sold them and still made a profit.
@@65DrumsBTW Congrats Justin! I'm looking forward to all your videos on your new kit. Enjoy!
Everyone, on the "Loctite" use the "BLUE" loctite. The "RED" loctite, it'll be very difficult to take apart later. The red is the strong stuff and the blue is medium strength.
yeah people make sure you check up on the loctite versions and make sure its not a permanent bonder! start from the weakest needed to keep it secure then move on to stronger if you are still having issues being a beat to your hats. you don't want to end up with effectively a welded hihat rod!
I'm going to each type on 2 hihat stands and see what happens. I never need to take apart my hihat stand. I just want the rod to stop spinning permanently
65 Drums maybe throw in teflon thread tape too as an option. itd be nice to see that comparison against thread lockers.
Greetings Justin, Billy☺✌ "Blue" Loctite is fine and slightly over engineered in a good way. I use blue loctite for my alignment bolts on my 2JZGE SC300 sports car differential for racing and back again for city driving. I can snap it loose with slight effort (on and off) make sure you clean the threads before each applications. The thread sealant tape that plumbers use is the most conservative approach. I'm old school, I don't mind that every now and then my drums move, hi hats spins. I like the ritual of re-arranging the set, makes me feel good. Hope that helps. Thank you for you're channel Justin, I believe Edrumming will only get larger and you will be an OG in this. ☺✌🌟🎵🎶
@@inlasttonowhere4459 Thanks for your insight! I know the materials but I meant for others who don't know. I think it's still sound advice to start from the weakest bond necessary (including the tape) more because it's hard to get good torque on a hihat rod. Even a weaker bond could be a pain to remove for some ppl!
I've not been watching your videos very long, but I've been drumming for 15 years now, and its hard to find people that have that look in their face when they play, like its all they've ever wanted in life. shear happiness and just enjoying the groove, in a whole other world. :D you are an inspiration to me! keep it up man.
I can not tell you how much I appreciate your channel! Always such great information! You answered my question about what modules are compatible with what hi hat.
Thanks again for all you do.
Thanks, I am new to V-drums and I was thinking of upgrading from the VH10 to the VH11. Now I see that I am better off keeping the VH10 that came with my TD27 kit.
Yoooo nice cover! Love your take on the VR mix. Good to know you’re an Andrew Huang fan
Got to meet him in person last year, really cool dude!
@@65DrumsI've never been more jealous in my entire life
@@Stardust_Lei978 be jealous! Miz and Morrison, hey hey, ho ho!
The video quality just keeps getting better and better each video, keep it up, proud of you
Thanks Blue! I really appreciate it :)
Great review. I love your thoroughness. You are the Jedi of eDrum tech. Like Yoda, you become one day.
Nice you took the sample that virtual riot made with Andrew Haung! That's awesome! :)
I love your channel.. I'm always finding a video new to me that's very helpful as a professional drummer. Your skills and knowledge is very much appreciated. Nice playing technique, informative, answering good questions and mentioning things always in the back of the mind. Thank you!!
Im about to upgrade my TD17 KV with a new hi hat and this review has been really useful thank you
Good to hear and see you playing drums Justin.
What kind of heads do you use on the drums? I ask because the converted acoustic to ekit at the church has heads from Jobecky and it feels like I'm playing on tennis rackets.
Thanks for the review.
My TD-12 kit came with a VH-11. I later upgraded to a VH-12, However the VH-11 triggered really well and the real reason I upgraded was for the feel of 2 cymbals.
Also the VH-12 hat works well on my TDW-20 module.
Great video and kudos for improving the overall production of your videos :)
Thanks for noticing Lorenzo!
I agree with you the vh10 seems like the way to go especially if you're upgrading from the fixed hat on my td11.
Great review Justin like always my friend!😎👍👊✌️
watch your back, Michael Schack..brilliant into plaing, Justin! great video as usual :)
Haha! He's much better than me, thanks!
you're welcome! @@65Drums
New Subscriber here. I am amazed at all the great videos on the electronic kits. This is now my go-to channel before I buy!!
I’ve noticed the Vh-10 to not be very accurate with my TD17 module when doing quick hi hat patterns. Even after calibration, tightening my hi hat spring and messing with the distance between the cymbal and the sensor. I hooked the pad up paired with the FD-8 and it is much more accurate
3:10 very cool zoom and spin effect. I'd like to learn that transition.
Justin. You should USE VC3 by vibramate for threadlocker. It is non permanent and keeps everything solid. Make sure to clean any grease too or the stuff wont cure. The Loctite or vibramate.
I thought for sure you were gonna pick the VH11. Yes Agree, your playing on the VH10 was very eye opening in comparison to it's big brother,lol!
I like that you let the closing song take its time. I jam to drum loops with e.pianos often.
Yeah I made that piano pattern from presets in EZkeys. Cool program
used the vh10s for about a year before the thread in the clutch wore away so i can no longer secure them to the central hi hat rod. the £5 piece of metal is also not purchasable separately (UK) so it means they are unfixable unless you have the ability to put thread in metal. they were great while they lasted, just didnt last long enough IMO
Hey Justin great vid!! Question; I notice your VH-11 setup has a decent amount of “travel” up/down space. I have the VH-11 and set it up via instructions in manual which only allows for very little travel space. It definitely doesn’t feel natural this way. Kind of “stiff”. It tracks just fine with SD3, EZ Drummer2. Do you find any triggering issues with the way you have it set up? Thanks!
I'm so early there 5 comments now wow and great work Justin
Sup dude!
@@65Drums thanks for the heart
To stop hi hat rod spin put a nut above where the rod screws in and twist towards for opposite lock.
Thank you so much for all your inputs, helped me a lot. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
i asked my question about the VH-10 for a remote hi hat stand, because i intend to play the roland kit from a wheelchair. i have challenges moving from the wheelchair to a drum throne. therefore i plan to set the drumset to be lower than the average set up. the VH-10 on a standard hi hat stand, might sit a little to high for my comfort in playing. a remote hi hat stand might offer more flexibility. looking forward to your thoughts. Thanks, Justin
To me none of the major players get the hi hat right with dynamics and foot splashing and opening closing transitions while they are getting better there not there yet Im considering going with quiet tones for more realistic play
Hey dude. First off thanks for all that you do for us drummers. Question. I have an Alesis Strike Pro SE kit and not really a fan of the hihats. I have tried messing around with settings (After some research) and it still doesnt trigger sometimes. Ergo I am thinking of upgrading so after watching your videos I assume the vh10 is compatible with the Strike module? Is this correct and if so how much of an upgrade is it? Is it worth the money to upgrade?
I also have a Strike Module and have tried the Goe-Drum controller, which was a minor improvement. But still not as responsive as I'd like. So I'm looking to pick up a TD-10, but wonder about compatibility with the Strike module.
@@bongodog7980 would be good to get a reply from the guy tho🤔
Hi Justin. I was wondering when you would compare these. I currently am using the TD-11 Module and was looking at upgrading from my VH-11 to VH-10. I found the feel of the VH-10 a bit well "Soft and Cheap Quality" compared to the more sturdy VH-11. However, the splashes were easier as the VH-10 is lighter. I kept the VH-11 as the older module seemed to work better with the VH-11. I am going to upgrade the module and I will be getting the VH-10 as it seemed to have better accurate triggering with the VH-10 on the TD-17 and 27 modules. The Hi-Hat is still a far cry from a real acoustic Hi-Hat and I would love to see Roland actually take a stab at a real 2 piece hi-that that feels proper. On a side note, the digital ride and snare are just awesome! I always hated the hotspot with positional sensing on the modules. I stuck with the TD-11 module as I am using the PD-128s Snare. The digital snares positional sensing is great. Great vid as always keep em' coming!
Do you know if the VH10 Hi Hat would work with an Alesis strike Pro SE?
*Update, I bought a VH-11 and that works great, you can use the cables that come with the VH-11 and it plugs and plays without problem, no soldering or changing cables around.
Yes
How much better is the vh11 compared to the hihat on the alesis
rob1 the Vh-11’s are more responsive and play better with the triggering, it registers faster than the Alesis Strike Pro SE, but at the end of the day it’s it’s still has a limited trigger point vs real hi-hats. Overall I like it better, it’s seems like a worthwhile investment. I’m not sure if the VH-13’s would even be better (I assume they would, but I am not sure of their compatibility)
@@drewmusselman thank u for replying. I will get these. I have the regular pro and the hihat sensitivity is adequate.
Thanks for your video. I’m looking at getting a new mid to high end Roland kit have been using a vh11 on a Td 12 and found it to be a great up grade from the original Hi-hat . Looking at Td 27 and it comes with the vh 10 hhat. Is this a newer model hi hat ? Thought the numbers would go up ? My question is which kit do you recommend for house practice. I’m a professional drummer so want to get the right kit. You look like you play a lot of different electronic kits. Looked at the new yamahas but they seem a little lacking in the hi hat department.
Thanks for your time and help .
Thanks for the video! Will the VH-11 work with other brands, like an alesis strike multipad pro?
Can either of these be used with an Alesis Strike Kit? Love the channel by the way! Subscribed.
Nevermore Records, LLC yes
Do these two work with the Alesis Strike Pro? I am thinking of buying the Strike Pro and in case of not being satisfied with its hi-hat quality, just replacing those 2 piece hats that come with Alesis Strike with VH-10. Thanks and keep up the great work!
Great production and a worthwhile comparison though I don’t know if it’s worth the extra cash to upgrade my existing VH-11 just for the few differences. Thanks Justin
Personally I like the vh11 more. I feel like it's more durable and probably more reliable.
(Seriously. Almost every vh10 ive played has had something go wrong. Ive only seen 2 or 3 that have worked correctly. But every vh11 ive seen has worked great.)
I have the StrikePro Kit and currently run the Go eDrum HH controller with the Alesis top hat. Which (VH-10 or VH-11) model do you think will be the most compatible with the Strike module? Are there any special settings/hacks needed for proper setup?
Great channel... thanks for all of your effort and expertise!!
Thanks again for a great product review
Thanks Justin 👍 I’d love to play the VH-10 one day, I feel a trip to the music store coming along. Nice intro btw, loved the effects you did! What are you using to edit your vids?
Thanks! I use Adobe Pre pro, those transitions are from an effects pack I bought
Thanks again for your commitment to compare! I just bought the td27kv and the whole kit is on 10 and sounds quiet. I can barely play along to music. To make it worse the hi hat is very quiet compared to the rest of the kit. Any pointers?
Bit more dynamics in 10 the crescendo and decrescendo is there.
I have a VH-10 and a VH-13 tested with my TD-30. The VH-10 works better, especially the foot splash! 🤔
Thanx for the great video... any idea if either the VH10 or VH11 would work with an old TD-6V sound module? I have two triggers on my TD-6V hi hat (one on the hi hat itself and one on the pedal) so my sound module does have separate inputs for hi hat strike and hi hat control but I wonder if the old sound module will be able to handle the new VH10 or VH11 hats?
Waiting for a response, I have the same module.
What's your daily kit now a days 65 drums?
My daily kit is whatever I'm playing at the moment. Right now it's the TD17KVX
just got mine !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly what is playing thru the IEMs you are wearing while you are recording videos like this? Is the kit + backing track only? Are those connected to the E-Drum modules headphone output? I see every drum video guy wear them but not sure what they mix in there.
Hi, Justin! Love your channel! Question-I just bought a VH-10 and have one question to ask to make sure my hats aren’t defective. When clamped to the hi hat rod, which is tightened well and doesn’t turn, if I hold the edge of the hat and gently try to move it side to side laterally, it isn’t fixed in position but moves either way about an inch or inch and a half. Does mine have too much play laterally? Or is that normal?
I know this may sound silly, but my VH-10 doesn’t seem to be very accurate and I’m wondering if the play I notice is a clue that they have a manufacturing defect.
Thanks, Justin!
have you calibrated it using the built-in hi hat settings? ive found the vh-10 isnt that accurate as well. especially when choking, because the hat sways it moves the hi hat module and it thinks the hats closing slightly. I've read online its because they lack 'transmuting'
Nice effect when turning upside down!
Can I use the Vh-10 on the Alesis Crimson II? Great video and channel!
Did you ever find out the answer to this? I'm looking at adding a vh10 to my crimson 2 now.
Thanks for the video. Is the VH-10 compatible with my TD-11 module?
Hi Yes but you do need to tweak the settings. I found the VH-11 worked better with the Td-11
Hey Justin. Could I incorporate a VH-10 on my Alesis Strike Kit? My drummer loves the kit except for the hi-hat.
Hey Justin - Do you know if the VH-10 is compatible with the Strike module? Will it be an improvement over my current setup (a Goe-Drum controller paired with a basic dual zone Alesis cymbal pad) I'm also using Superior Drummer3, so I will have more parameters for fine tuning the control.
I've been told that yes it's compatible and a nice upgrade.
@@65Drums Excellent! Found a great deal on eBay... it's on the way. Thanks for the reply!
Hi, can you mount the VH-10 onto a remote hi-hat stand, for added flexibility? I would imagine one could, but just wondering if you have any thoughts on that?
Not really happy with DH 10 for jazz or disco. The open and close response time is kind of sluggish and doesn't play like it would on a real symbol. TD 27
What should I do I've? I calibrated it like the book says but does not giving me the performance. Straight rhythms and open and close is fine but when you try jazz or Disco rhythm... not good.
Do these type of hi hat work much more realistically than just a pedal, or is it the module that makes the difference?
I have the VH-11 with a TD-27 module, was wondering if you can use a CY13 (or CY15 if you want to go nuts) as the top hat, just to make a bigger playing surface? Might give it a try if I get 5 mins. Would save a king's ransom compared to buying the VH-14 digital thing ;-)
I see a TD 17 drum set...
yup :)
@@65Drums is it a review unit?
if you could have them at the same price which one would you pick?
Hey Justin, can you do a video on setting up a Roland PDX 12 snare with a Roland td 25 module? There is no preset in the 25 module for it and I can’t quite get it to trigger just right. Thank you
I'd love to, but I don't have a TD25 on hand right now.
Great video mate.
At this very moment I'm using a TD50 with a VH10. I initially bought it in combination with the TD17. It's a pretty good hihat experience and in my opinion better than the VH11 because of the reduced weight. Since I already experienced the VH13 with a TD30 and a TD50 I will definitely upgrade to a (maybe used) VH13 sooner or later because it plays better and feels more natural.
That said: For under 500€/€ VH10 all the way, but if you have the TD30 or TD50 and don't mind the added noise emission: Get a used VH13.
I just bought the Roland vad103 and I’ve been having issues with the hihat triggering. It doesn’t seem to be picking up every hit in each stage (open/close/half). Any advice
just bought a TD27 kit with vh10...having some issues getting the open and close to work smoothly....seems like I have to really open up the hiatus to get a quick open sound....I calibrated the hihats with the line in trigger settings but its the opening that doesn't feel great or consistent....any tips to dial this in...im tracking for studio projects and I can use acoustic hi hats if need be but I'm using ez drummer or stock sounds but I need to get the feel/sensitvity down so I don't have to set up regular acoustic hats....any help would be appreciated
Hey Justin, since you are THE crack on Roland Drumbrains, i could need a lil advice with my TD20. I have a custom Ride Cymbal with two seprate Piezo sensors. One for the bow and one for the bell. Problem is, that on the TD20 i can´t set a threshhold for the Bell seperately. So soemtimes when i play a pattern on the bow and if i hit a lil harder the bell is triggered. What can i do about this? cheers, Mark
What an amazing intro! :)
You did not trick me. I recognized the metal bottom part of the controller and aluminum colored calibration wheel on top of the hats. Nice try though.
Merci pour la démo! En france aujourd'hui, c'est VH10 299€ et VH11 365€
Hey Justin great video was very helpful as I am planning to buy an e-drum soon, I have chosen three e-drum kits and I'm not sure which one to buy , the three kits are yamaha dtx562k , alesis dm10 mk2 pro and yamaha dtx582k....pls tell me which one u feel is the best and let me know
Thank u for ur time .
I'd get the DTX582k from that list.
Think the vh 10 is worth the money to upgrade from the cy5? and use cy5 as splash maybe :)
How do the vh-11 and vh-10 compared to the atv hi hats? I ask because i read on vdrum forums (i think) some guy went back to his vh-11 from the atv so i'm wondering if the vh-11 is better than the atv or not. Also i'm thinking about upgrading my vh-11 to an atv hi hat so this is part of my research.
I should probably cover that, thanks for the idea!
one more question, is ROLAND TME-6 (Trigger Midi Convert) compatible with Roland TD-3 will both work together and you use more pads with both devices with more different sounds assigned to different pads that are connected to TMC-6.??????????????????????????????/
Its interesting. You VH10 has a different colored part than mine. The knurled nut that you can adjuston the clutch on yours is a dark black. Mine is a silver metal like the rest of the clutch. I wonder why that changed.
one importand question please? which is quieter?
For same price would you buy vh11 or vh10?
than PN-12 song from Virtual Riot ... liked.
This may have been asked already, if so sorry. But will the vh10 work on my Alesis DM10 MK11 pro module ? All my other Roland v cy crashes work perfectly? Thanks in advance
I cannot loosen the plastic ball on my VH-10, its like permanently tightened. And when I try to close the pedal I hear a metal noise making contact under the cymbal. Idk if the cymbal is completely done or if its something else
Cool review and I have to agree with Sal nice to see you drumming here!!
Thanx.
Is it normal that I have to step down on my hi hat pedal pretty hard in order to trigger the “chick” from hitting the hi hat? The best way to describe it would be the sound if you had it as Fixed 1 from the Muffling menu. I’m curious if it’s issues with my stand or the hi hats themselves. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
My VH10 doesn't seem to close all the way, no matter how I set the clutch. I press down really hard with my foot, but don't get that tight "snap" when hitting the tip of the hi hat. Any ideas how to fix this? I have adjusted the td17 and it shows the hi hat below the close threshold but still can't get it perfect. Any ideas how to adjust this?
Bonjour, est ce que le VH 10 est compatible avec le module roland td4 ?
Now. I'm curious I ordered just the hi hat/clutch will it work through my td kd 17 with just the normal stand that it came with just upgrading from the hi hat 5 that was on it. Not using a hihat stand. Btw it's the vh 11 that I'm getting.
Hi I have a TD17KV with the stock hi hat. Can I upgrade it to Vh-10? Do I connect the HH pedal cable to the Vh-10 control unit? Thx
Our church just bought a TD17 KVX and I am not very happy with the response of the hi-hats (VH10). I did the calibration etc, but it seems really hard to get quick "open" accents on the hats (can't get the response like you do at 5:55). I also adjust the plastic part you spin on top of the cymbal to no avail. Any suggestions?
turn the spring tension of your hihat stand up
have the exact same issue, its because they lack a feature called transmuting
shady xyz I haven’t used the vh 11, I’m not the biggest fan of the vh 10, I’ve calibrated it as best as I can, sometimes opening and closing isn’t that accurate, I’ve read its cause the lower end kits lack what’s called transmuting. I would give the vh 11 a go
Is the VH-11 controller (the bloc under the cymbal) is compatible with the Vh-10 cymbal?
can you use the VH11 controller with VH10 pad?
for context, playing on a TD25 and the VH11 top pad broke (I think it's a sensor issue, I opened it up and it didn't need reglued or anything). I am buying a VH10 to replace but you mentioned there's no preset for it. I'm wondering if I use the VH11 controller with Vh10 pad if I would get good performance
@@TylerHNothing I have the same question.
I noticed the td 17kv in the background are u planning on doing a review on it
Nope. I bought it and will never mention it again ;)
65 Drums I see I’ll be expecting a fair few videos on it then with great detail of course love the vids
when did the Roland TD 3 come out?
That's more hats than I have in Team Fortress 2 dude.
haha!
Boy I never even knew that Roland had a VH10. When did this come out?
I think last year together with the TD 17 series. At least it is part of the KVX version.
What he said
answered a number of questions Im having lately- thx
Does the Vh-10 hi-hat work with other drum modules that are not roland such as alesis strike module?
Yes very common to replace them with one of these two options. Which is why I'm watching this.
Will any of these hi hats work with the roland octapad spd 30? 🙏🏽 Thank you
Did you bought the Roland TD-17kvx becouls i think that i saw it on the background 2:14
Would rubber washers instead of felt on the clutch reduce spinning?
Unfortunately no, the rod is whats spinning
Will the VH10 work with a Pearl Redbox?
Is vh11s sensor compatible with the vh10s pad?