Roland VH14D -vs- VH13
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2021
- Today I'm comparing the old Roland flagship hihats (the VH13) vs the new digital hi hats, the Roland VH14D. Do they live up to the hype?
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Thanks Justin. I’m really appreciating all the work that you put in to these videos. They are so incredibly helpful.
Thank you Justin, exactly what i was looking for!
And yet there is still no bell sound. Like that is something you never use on an acoustic kit. Disappointing. But great great demo :)
The video I’ve been waiting for
Hey Justin ! you give the best and honest reviews . Be well Cya Aaron
Good one! Thanks for sharing!
No bell zone is a bit of a crime. Bells arent used much but there are some seriously fun grooves with the hi hat bell that you just can't do on edrums.
You can have a bell zone triggering SD3 :)
Nice video Justin!
My 14D is on the way! I Can't wait!!! And I am jumping from a VH-11 !!!
I played all the digital pads and was most impressed by the ride. Lots of variation across the surface.
Glad to see Roland utilizing that 3rd USB input. when the TD50 module came out with 3 but only used two I knew they were at some point going to use the 3rd. Logically that would be the HH. As is typical Roland they took years and years to do this.
Any way happy to see a digital HH finally. The biggest thing that I think they need to add now is an actual bell sound on the HH much like on a ride cymbal. That would be awesome!
Yay! New video!
Thanks for watching!
Been waiting to see your review on them, well worth it. Great Job!
High end e drums continue to impress me
Hu Justin thanks for posting this video. Just curious - how does the VH-12 compare to the VH-14d? I'm thinking of upgrading. Thanks!
It would be cool to see a comparison with the efnote 5 hi hat
Is there a video that shows specifically how to use the TD27 Module with the VH14?
@65 drums Have you by any chance tried either of the following: Connecting an analog Roland Ride (CY-12R/C, CY-13R or CY-15R) to the VH14D instead of the VH14D top? Or connecting the VH14D top to an analog ride input? It would seem like the internals of the VH14D top is similar to an analog 2x stereo connected ride, no? Thanks for a great channel :)
Does anyone know if the clutch is removable?. We use our e drums in a portable Church and our current hats (ATV) the clutch stays in making them more CUMBERSOME TO store from week to week.
Do you know how well it will work with the td27 compared to the td50x
I can't stress how happy I am that roland has finally made a 14" hi. hat
Me too. It has been way way too long for something standard. Now you'll wait 6-8 years to get a bell working on a VH-15D and it will cost $1500.
If you connect the VH13 to a TD30 with the TD30 limit the different nuanced sounds or do the extra sensors create more variability within the module?
Justin how do the digital pads work im about to get a td27kv what’s so special about them
I will not be watching because last time I binged watched your videos I almost spent all my savings and took out a loan for new drum gear.
Lol that's fair
🤣🤣I hear that, man!🤣🤣
65 drums is a GAS trigger
I am finding this out the hard way 💸 😂
Thank you so much. But you lift one thing out I was waiting to here. Can you use both at the same time and what’s the setup if that’s possible. I have the new 14 Digital hi hat. But I wanna use my 1st one that came with the TD50k
I’ve finally solved all hi-hats issues by purchasing…. a Zildjian L80 hats.
No more weird feeling, machine gun effect sound and calibration headaches.
I’ll put a mic on it for live gigs and I’ll get the best of both world: real feel, real sound (to me the hats are the only cymbals that sound good in this type of cymbals) and quiet volume.
have you tired the gen 16 sensor? you can pair that with your l80 and use them like triggers for your live set up
@@nate.reynosodrums I haven’t. But it’s so expensive ! Since the L80 hats sounds really good, I use them as acoustic hats and it’s perfect for me.
I tried the L80s and didnt like the feel. Felt mushy to me, like too much give. Glad they are working for you though!
I'm not sure I would say they are quiet. Certainly not compared to e- drum hi hats. I also don't think they sound very good, I'm not sure how you would use them live. But in terms of feel, yeh they beat any e- drum hi hats.
@@stephenhughes5156 they sound good compared to every other quiet cymbals. Not as good as real hi hats but honestly for live application it’s perfect! It really sounds natural through the mic.
do you think it would be worth it to buy the digital hihat for the td-27?
help! misfiring problems on my Roland 13's hats(TD-30 module) hoping there is a fix
I bought mine and will be returning it. The reality is that this is just a glorified VH13 since the open close mechanism is essentially the same, so in reality an analog trigger and not a digital one. Also, the TD27 does not use the full potential of this due to the lack of sounds. It's also considerably louder acoustically compared to the VH10 and sincerely I don't really see any significant improvements from the VH10 so I'll be keep using that.
I'm gutted, Roland had an opportunity of doing something great and missed out on it. This is not the same jump of improvement that the digital snare or ride were
Hi, would you sell yours used?
@@LochNessAnthony I've returned mine fortunately
@@CrappyProducts that sounds good. Less hassle/more money. I’m thinking about getting one.
The VH10 absolutely sucks. One of mine started double triggering and then broke, got it replaced and now the new one is doing the same thing. It is just not designed very well, and the one piece mechanism means that the stick impact is not absorbed and the pad just wobbles instead. the VH14D is the most accurate, nice feeling e-hihat on the market in my opinion, hands down (except I have never tried EFNote, keep that in mind)
I use a Pearl Mimic Pro. If I buy a TD-27 module would be possible to use the Roland's digital ride, snare and hi hat with TD27 but somehow transfer this input to PMP? I would just use the TD27 to receive the digital input, but the main module would be the PMP. What that be possible?
Has anyone attempted to use a remote stand with the "VH-14D" ? Either clamped to the rack or off a cymbal stand?
Would either of these hats work on an Alesis strike pro se?
how do these compare to jobeky and efnote hihats?
Great review Justin - thx! Just a matter of time before all Roland pads will be fully digital. Price tag’s a killer and have to say I really love my VH-10’s w my TD-27. Great sound and accuracy for a single plated hi hat pad - kind of annoying the slapping sound you get w dual plated hats.
Yeah can't wait to not buy a $30,000 e-kit.
Agree! I also own a TD27 and I don‘t believe the difference between the VH-10 and the VH-13 is that big (played that a few weeks ago). And definitely not worth hundreds of dollars.
also have that kit, the vh 10 is nice. still think this one would be better
How are the 10s with fast punk/metal drumming? Can't find any info on that
@@wollsmoth69 Don't worry man, Alesis has got you covered 😉
So for now it's a no on the TD 17 module?
Leaves the TD17 in the dinosaur dust! TD27KVX2 HERE I COME!
Hi Justin,I just upgraded from the Vh 10 to the digital 14's and am not having any luck with the14's foot pedal chick sound and can't produce short barks on them.Do you think it is something I am doing?Calibration didn'tseem to produce any results.Any help would be great.Thanks
Great review! Out of my price range but a man can dream
Is it worth the upgrade from vh10 to vh13?
thank you so much for the review, can you tell if the VH14D will work on the td17kvx module?
it will not... the TD17 has no usb input for hihats, snare or rides... u need a td27 or td50
Do ALL those new VH-14 features make it to the TD-27 also?
Positional sensing, etc..
Thanks!
Nope. Makes 0 use out of any feature minus the touch mute feature roland only made it COMPATIBLE with the td 27, it doesn't give it any new samples to make use of
I wish Roland makes 14" equivalent of VH13 or budget friendly 14" VH11.
I rather preferred a 2 digital rides and single analogue hi-hats as a "Bop Kit-alike" setup then adding analog 2 zones crashes as my heart content.
Where can you buy replacement spacers, that keeps them from spinning for these cymbals, either ones. I got a new hihat stand and the diameter pole is different? AHH!!!!
So after much deliberation and discussions w/ other product reviewers. I think I'm going to wait out on the VH14D for a while as either most drummers have told me they expected much more or I've heard "it's a step up from the V10".... with that kind of price tag on it I want to hear nothing less than "wow this is truly some next level game changer sh%#!". My ATV-ADH14 will have to suffice lil longer.
Sensible decision. I'm returning mine's, it's such a marginal gain and also are much louder acoustically than the VH10
I wonder how much difference there is between the digital pad and the VH-10 for playing half open, splashy rock style sounds when using the TD-27 module. I find with the VH-10 it is hard for me to achieve a consistent splashy sound which I can do easily on an acoustic hi-hat.
Have the VH14Ds on order Justin, and was waiting with anticipation for this video... thanks. What is best way to find instructions on adding these new HHs to kit with a TD27 module? Understand a download is needed. Will you be making a video on this specific topic?
Just update your module to the latest firmware. My order has been delayed again, eta is now september, uk. Also check out the manual on roland website.
Just update the module, but be aware that the TD27 will not bring all the potential of the VH14 since there are no sounds to come with it
@@bruceperkins2921 Mine arrived a couple of weeks ago and it's miles better to the VH-10 and with the bigger size, closer to my snare. My kit is now more comfy. No choking on SD3 or EZD thou yet.
@@djashjones Sorry I am totally lame with techy stuff... I just use my TD27 kit and don't do much with updating at all. I looked up Roland instructions to update to Ver.1.11 (I am on Ver 1), and it talks about doing with sim card... I don't have one! Can I just down load directly to module by connecting to my laptop? Yeah I am that lame.
@@1956bushman No worries, You need a SD card 32gb. There is a you tube video on how to do it. Any probs, just ask.
Foot splashes work perfectly if you put the top hat barely touching the controller
if they didnt improve foot splashes then whats the point of it to be honest.
How can I get a VH13
??????
Only missing sound in an electronic drums is the imperfection, which you may or may not utilized in your recording/live as significant part of your playing.
Lars Ulrich : absolutely, definitely yes.
Hi Justin if I were to replace my cy-10 hi hat on my td 27 with the new cy 14, and use the usb would I be able to use the 2 former 1/4 " jacks used on the cy-10 on any other pads?
No, if you use a usb pad and set it up as a hihat it disables the hihat imputs in your module, the same goes for ride and snare.
I know that obviously everything has gotten more expensive over the last year, but these have gone up in price by $300 USD since this was posted. Surely that skews the perspective on them at bit, right?
This video got me wondering, not sure if you would see this, but are you worried about the newer digital roland cymbals for the mid-lower end users? I just feel these USB inputs are going to become more and more common (albeit slowly) and roland will use it to vendor-lock you into their products.
Also, a lot of older modules won't have it, so budget users will eventually be constrained and pushed into buying newer products that support them, even if it wasn't their intention.
And one last point is the repairability, using the USB input suddenly makes it a lot more proprietary, you can't just buy a cheapo stereo cable when those USB inputs hardwired into the cymbal go bad.
Hey man, love your channel!
I have a TD-30 and my original hats are busted. I'm thinking about buying a new set of VH14D hats, will they work with the TD30 module?
they won't work on the TD30. Only the TD27 and TD50 modules so far. but as time goes on, more new module releases will support them in the future
@@65Drums got it! Thanks for the reply mate! 😎
Thanks Justing for another honest review.
As I've mentioned before, digital or not, what matters most nowadays is the sensor and 'optical' sensor is indeed a game changer and won't settle for anything without this for accuracy and precision and ATV delivered it (have not tried Ef-note yet).
And yet justin still thinks these are the best hihats in the industry even though they don't have the optical hihat controller. Don't see why optical would be a game changer TBH. It does the exact same thing.
@@sabahoudini Although they achieve the same goal, they are 2 very different methods of sending CC information to a module or a VST. The Roland ‘plunger’ method is mechanical and the optical bounces light off a reflective surface. The Roland system is designed to work with its own software and translate the CC info according to what it expects. When you pass through CC info from a VH-** to a Roland module to a VST, there are discrepancies in what comes out the other end. I’ve watched the CC information in Addictive Drums from the VH and fully closed on a correctly calibrated H/H on a Roland module isn’t note 127 in a VST. I was getting between 119/120 as ‘fully closed’ information from VH/TD-20 setup. As soon as I went optical the Roland module was able to pass through full CC info without being stopped by the limitations of a ‘plunger’ system. It is archaic in comparison.
@@thedrumdoctor Being an electronic drum designer and software developer I can say that what you are describing is a non issue. What a sensor outputs is a voltage from say 0-3.3v. Or 0.3 - 2.9. Or what ever arbitrary range it outputs. The software just maps the 0-3.3v to go from 0-127. It's very easy in software. I agree that the optical sensors are a great design but I just don't see them as "game changers". Justin has said that he thinks the VH14 is the best hihat out there. Before that he said the VH13 was the best closely followed by atv. Both of these use the same type of sensor. If it was a "game changer" the difference would be so big that no reviewer would ever prefer the rolands.
@@sabahoudini well at the end of the day, it’s what works for the individual. The optical design was a ‘game changer’ for me personally on my A2E setup. I watched the TD-20 and VH-11 fail to pass over the fully closed information to SD3 and AD2, despite the calibration in the module sounding correct. The optical controller did what I wanted it to, out of the box, no fiddly calibrating. I knew it had made a huge difference when a friend of mine who has Roland TD-12 and a VH-11 and uses VSTs said to me, “how come your Hi-Hats sound so realistic now?” after he heard a few recordings I’d done. There is a massive improvement in the information the optical controller is translating for my playing technique, which is all that counts when I’m laying down drum tracks. It might not work for everyone, but I would recommend trying it if you have exhausted all the workarounds with a ‘plunger’ controller. Undoubtedly, there are more people using the ‘plunger’ type than optical, but you couldn’t pay me money to use one again.
@@thedrumdoctor well I have the ATV hi hats in SD3 -and they are not playing well with that at all I have a set of Roland 14 on order. My open sizzle ho hats with the atv are all over the place the volume is so in consistent it’s almost unusable and yes I know how to calibrate them.
Can the VH -13 be used as a X Hat since the VH-14D will be the primary Hi Hat?
Yes
If you run the hats through midi into superior drummer it should trigger right and left hits to tell if it’s really doing it 😊
Do you get all the features in the TD27 as the TD-50 with the digital hat?
Thanks was looking forward to this, but I am a bit bummed. I had heard the open and close was much more sensitive on the VH14D's and that is why I pre-ordered them. May be cancelling that now. That's my biggest beef with the VH10's and every ehat I have tried.
Yes. I got mine and indeed there is no improvements at all. Frankly these are such marginal upgrades from the VH13 that is really not worth it. Save your money
@@CrappyProducts Hi sir, did you buy your vh14d online? On which online store can I get one？It is sold out now on guitar center, and the price for preservation is 999.99. I believe it's much more expensive than the normal price. Thanks！
It is, you just have to place the top hat barely touching the controller and not 3 inches like many do…
is there a bell trigger and if not why?
Nope, but you can trigger it with Superior Drummer 3 via MIDI
My old TD-9 has served me well, but I might need an upgrade....I dont think I can connect a VH-14D to my TD-9 can I, anyone know?
yeah sorry, the VH14 is only compatible with the TD50 and TD27
Just waiting for a moment in future when electronic drums will even surpass acoustic drums, because they will not be really different but offer much more sounds and editing possibilities
I'm primarily a photographer, with drumming being secondary in my creative life. But, as a photographer, going back to the early 1970s, let me tell all the acoustic drummers out there waiting for e-drums to catch up with the depth of their analog experience: that pivot happened in photography circa 2007 (with the release of the Canon 5D). I shot with film cameras for three decades prior to my switching to digital, and I would not go back to "analog" now for anything! Digital cameras far surpass film cameras in probably 99 out of a 100 data points, with the one exception being some "romantic" quality that digital can't satisfy. But, as a drummer, I am now in the market for an e-drum kit. (I'm likely to go with the Roland V line, because I don't need drum shells to impress anybody hanging out in my basement as I beat on my kit!) Wow ... I am amazed by the anxiety I am feeling about buying too early, before the technology gets better at approximating "the real thing." For me, as a photographer, the "real thing" switch happened more than a decade ago, and it is now only about which digital camera I prefer, not about which one approximates what a film camera "can do."
In the meantime, I really want to thank Justin and his 65 Drums for helping me in this process. I have found his RUclips channel to be a really sweet and very smart guide to my figuring out my coming new era as a longtime basement drummer.
Simple comparison, drumming vs. photography: How many top-tier pro drummers use e-drums exclusively; how many top-tier photographers even OWN a film camera?! (P.S.: the same goes with "filmmakers." I know many filmmakers. One of them *owns* a 16mm film camera. All shoot digital professionally.)
@@TerryMCarroll and guitar players. I’ve played guitar for 30 years and I don’t even have an amp anymore. I use a Headrush pedalboard and it’s frankly, amazing! I us a DI for my bass and I just bought a Roland TD17kdx drum kit. I’m all in on the digital gear. It sounds great, works great, is a lot more compact and it’s much easier to control volume. I love it all!
At least I don't have to worry about the price.... because you still can't get them (in the US)
Can I use the vh14 on a td17 module?
no
I’ve had the VH14 hats for a month. They’re terrific but I can’t say they are miles better than my old VH10 or 11 hats. It’s depends on what you expect. For me, they feel like an old shoe, they’re not glamorous but totally dependable like an acoustic set of hats. It’s more the lack of annoyance that I notice.
The improvements are in the nuances so if fine and nuanced hi hat play is you’re thing then you’ll love them. For the average or beginner drummer though a basic set of e hats will do just fine.
So if I'm upgrading from the very old Td-9,and it's old high hat, is it worth it for me to go VH-14 or VH-10??????????
I"m getting the td-27, so i need to know!
Thanks!
@@chezchezchezchez the VH14 definitely works with the TD27. However my understanding is that the module doesn’t yet support all the articulations that the TD50X does like positional sensing on the bow… so it should still play better than the VH10 but maybe not by much. I suspect there will eventually be an upgrade for the TD27 to better support the VH14 hats and maybe also provide some of the truly excellent TD50X new sound library. Here’s hoping.
@@voitekbiskup6005 Thanks a lot, but it’s double the price of a VH 10 right?
Sure, I’ll be future proofing myself I guess.
@@chezchezchezchez yeah that’s where I’m not sure if it’s worth it if you have the TD27. The VH10 is a great set of hats.
@@voitekbiskup6005 and the original one from the td9 still works
I'm seriously considering an upgrade to the VH-14D once available, but I really need to see how it performs with SD3, since I use that for my sounds and not the TD-50 module.
Once you go SD3, there's no going back to the module sounds. Not even close.
The best thing you can do is get an optical controller for generating Hi-Hat CC info for a VST. The ‘plunger’ systems are stone-age in comparison.
@@thedrumdoctor where can we get one of these and how would I send this data into sd3. Via the Roland module?
Very Cool Yes!! But unfortunately for most of us Shmucks, $1200 is just a Little of of reach! :(
Just sayin! :)
Ooooooo interesting
The very day that a VST like ezdrummer or superior drummer can support digital hi hats like the positional sensing is the exact day that ill upgrading to digital gear. ill give it another 5 years
@Ed have you seen what is takes to make those expansions? Hours upon hours of recording and editing/ mixing. and they only charge like 60 bucks for them. Christ position sensing would only compound these numbers. could you imagine doing it for the the snare, ride and hi hat. it'd be fuckin awesome tho
You can have 6 zones in SD3 (incl. bell) : 3 left and 3 right. Possible when using a DAW. You can check my FB forum group "The Software Drumming Forum - tips & tricks + discussing drum samplers" for more info. :)
@@becausedrumgeek8817 so essentially you're saying it's already possible?
@@becausedrumgeek8817 but I'd still have to upgrade to a module that supports digital gear so I'll wait a few more years but I'll definitely check out that group
@@johncole4882 Yes, it is. :)
they’re both too expensive for me
Here in the Netherlands the vh-10 is €300, vh-13 is €600, vh-14 is €700.
Do you think the vh-13 or vh-14 are worth it over the vh-10 or should people just go with the vh-10 instead?
No, go with the VH10. The difference is very marginal
@@CrappyProducts Found a used VH-13 for the price of a new VH-10. The upgrade from my VH-11 are marginal indeed but at least it looks cool when gigging out so that's something. Thanks for your reply.
I took the leap on a set of VH14D hat and I will say they are fantastic. For my playing style going from the VH10 to the VH14 was a pretty big jump in performance. Sucks shelling out the cash but I am not regretting it.
Just out of curiosity what module are you using?
@@director2bob TD27
@@Garagedrummer I thought the TD27 couldn't make the most of the digital hi hats. Or am I mistaken?
@@stephenhughes5156 They work great with the TD27
@@stephenhughes5156 The new V2 update significantly improved it.
Yeye
These things are going to cost as much as a car soon and be more fun to operate as well.
Next question is...do they make a difference with SD3?
Probably not
Absolutely! : you can have 6 zones in SD3 (incl. bell) : 3 left and 3 right. Possible when using a DAW. You can check my FB forum group "The Software Drumming Forum - tips & tricks + discussing drum samplers" for more info. :)
@@becausedrumgeek8817 I understand that you can plug the USB directly into your computer with SD3 and bypass the module.
Would you make video, how too conect the 14 digital hihat too modul TD50X..
Cauce i cant get it too work 🤢
You just plug the USB into the back, and select the VH14 preset in the trigger settings. Maybe try disconnecting any analog inputs plunged into the quarter inch hihat inputs as well. Make sure the module is all the way updated to the latest firmware via the Roland website. If it's not recognized or doesn't work, try factory resetting the module. If that doesn't work, then call up Roland, it's probably broken and they need to fix it
Your been getting them funky hats out of them ekits.
As your saying Roland has good hats. They looked like they moved like bronze hats. I think that's important too acoustics players jumping ship to ekits.
I feel like £650 for this with my td27 would be a waste of money yet I can't stand the 10 I have currently and don't see 13 being that much better 🤔
I owned the vh10, vh11, vh12 and the vh13 and I can tell you it's a big step up. 10 and 11 are pretty much identical in performance. The 12 and 13 are quite a bit better but also much more noisy. I tested the VH14D yesterday and it's a joy to play. It feels like a real hihat.
@@marco_prolo how are the 10s for quick lots of open high hat punk/thrash? It's not all I play but I want the option
@@Rocknrollrocker The VH10 can easily pickup fast notes and rolls. IMO in that case the module matters the most.
The lower tier and especially the older modules tend to sound not that great when playing blast beast and things like that.
But then there are VSTs which are a game changer sound wise. I got the great results using Steven Slate Drums
@@marco_prolo Thanks very much for the response, I really appreciate it.
Is the 27 among the modules that doesn't handle blast beats well, or might I simply need a VST to get there? I am fine with that so long as the capability exits.
I like playing along to everything from Nasum to the Beatles so just want to make sure I do have the option.
Thanks again! Really helpful talking to people who are familiar.
@@Rocknrollrocker I had the TD27 with the VH13 and the digital pads and was very pleased with the trigger results. I think the VH10 should do well, too.
However you have to invest some time to dive into editing the module sounds, get some good one-shot-samples for layering to get it sound decent. The out of the box presets are rubbish for (extreme) metal IMO. Especially the ones called "Metal...".
If you already have a capable computer, I think its faster to just get SSD5 or EZD with a metal library and use the TD27 as an audio/Midi IO.
Either way there's a learning curve, but it's rewarding. Especially getting the module itself to sound great without using a VST
Really hurts me that you can't use the vh14d for the td30. :/
I have the TD30 module and wish I could use them too, but the TD30 is from 2012, and the VH14 is from 2022 :( it's understandable
@@65Drums I have a hard time believing it's impossible for them to support it. I just don't really see any tech that would exclude it (aside from planned upgrade obsolescence).
I have the VH-11 and actually hate it. Although, to be fair, I don't know if it's the hat or the TD-25KV sounds I'm having problems with.
It’s the VH-11 ‘plunger’ system. Get an optical H/H controller, you’ll never look at a Roland VH-(insert any number) again!
@@thedrumdoctor Optical controller, you say? I've not heard of this. I'll check it out immediately. Thanks for the tip. I'm somewhat desperate to fix my woeful hat.
@@emmalfal It’s amazing. His channel is here:
ruclips.net/channel/UC2dIKn7Jswk5tVdBS57QnXw
I’m just configuring my new eDRUMin MIDI interface and it’s a joy to watch my Hi-Hat pedal calibrate all the CC notes from 0 (open) to 127 (fully closed). Foot splashes are once again, another level. Not quite perfect, but I’m talking the difference between preferring not having them with a VH unit to having a facility that you can actually work with. In combination with a VST like SD3 or AD2, it’s another level. Unless I was taking a full e-kit on the road, Roland would have to pay me to rent space in my house for any of their modules or Hi-Hat controllers.
@@thedrumdoctor Oh, man, this could be exactly what I'm after. I don't need much. I just need a clean sounding hi hat. Is this a DIY type project? I see a few optical controllers on eBay. Anyway, thanks for the link. I'm off to check it out.
just gotta get the trigger settings just right and calibration... it helped my kit big time to upgrade the hi hat stand... i got some $70 PDP stand that's pretty nice... made a world of difference. Got a td-25 too and TD-11 chained together... it's like a freakin Neil Peart kit! lol
The VH-11 is fine with me...
It's what I use on my kit
Nice comparison Brendan Fraser... I mean Justin. 😂
And a tad of george hotz
First
Yamaha the best rhh135 and the price too
I’ve never tried that one, but I know the guy from eDrum Workshop uses that as his Hi Hat with a Pearl Mimic Pro and gets some great results. You can see his videos on RUclips. Great stuff. I wish Yamaha made a 14” version of the rhh135.
I'm not sure how prices for these hi-hats changed in the past few months, but at drum-tec, a VH-13 right now is at 650€, while the VH-14D is at 720€. That's roughly a 10% difference in price. So... I don't really get why they should be "twice as good"? All Roland hi-hats are ludicrously expensive. Heck, VH-13s are considerably more expensive than ATV's 14" offering.
Also... since pretty much the only things acoustic cymbals and e-cymbals have in common is that they're round and you hit them with a stick... the price comparisons there are really pointless, sorry.
ATV Hats are the best.
I can’t believe Roland are still using that ancient ‘plunger’ system for generating CC notes - and charging big bucks for the ‘privilege’. Optical controllers are the way forward and will blow anyone’s mind when compared to the limitations of proprietary systems like Roland’s.
I recently bought a KitToys/Drone Triggers optical controller and it was a game changer. You want to generate 127 continuous control notes and achieve no-fuss Hi-Hat controller calibration? Then ditch the ancient ‘plunger’ system and go for optical. I couldn’t get rid of my VH-12 quick enough and it disturbs me to think of how many wasted hours I spent trying to generate realistic CC information in VSTs via Roland’s limited proprietary hardware.
Roland seem to have rested on their laurels in this area and drummers no longer have to spend thousands on their tech to get better results. They are starting to look like the record companies at the end of the 1990s who behaved like Ostriches when the internet and MP3s exploded. I guess the saving grace for them lies in the robustness of their products for touring use. But 99% of the drummers I know don’t play live with full electronic kits and only want an e-kit to try and achieve the most realistic playing experience at home with the least ambient noise. Honestly, you couldn’t pay me to go back to a ‘plunger’ Hi-Hat controller.
@Ed Mike is a freakin’ genius! It’s a shame he’s not going to develop his cymbal conversion triggers, but he gave me a detailed explanation why. I can’t wait until one of his Drone Snare triggers come onto eBay again. If I was a multi millionaire I’d invest in him and Rob from Audiofront to collaborate in an eDRUMin/Drone A2E conversion trigger system!
@@thedrumdoctor Can I use a drone trigger with my VH10? How does it work with the module?
@@CrappyProducts you can use it with the VH10 top cymbal (or any other cymbal for that matter). You won’t need the VH10 bottom unit. Keep the module set as a VH10 H/H use the calibration display to set the closed position. Once you see the closed position in the window, tighten the clutch. That’s it. No turning the open/close wheel on the VH10 clutch. All the calibration is done with the H/H pedal and it’s very sensitive and so easy to nail the closed position.
@@thedrumdoctor Got it, so the cable that was before connecting to the bottom unit now connects to the Drone trigger correct? Does this work with any hi-hat stand?
All you had to do was play 16th notes and gradually open the high hat to show how linear the progression of wash. Putting more or less wash into your high hat to move phrases forward is a basic part of tasteful drumming. Electronic high hats suck at this and the digital ones are hardly an improvement. Sounded like there were about four steps of wash, if that. Until there’s about 256 levels, high hats will continue to suck.
They are not worth a thousand dollars…
Overpriced!!!!!
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