you should make a "Stop buying this" series, explaining a lot about of pc components and what to go after. Could potentially save hundreds of dollars for people.
I bought G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16GB (8x2) Dual Channel 3000MHz CL16 DDR RAM Is that good? I have it running on an Asus Tuf Gaming x570 Plus (Wifi) with an AMD 3950x
Hi Jason. I recently built my system and had a question about ram. I have 16gb (2x8GB) of XPG Spectrix D45G DDR4 ram and have another kit on the way. Will this second kit add well with the original set or is it better to get ram in a kit like a 4x8GB kit?
I totaly suppport your meaning. Other people describe hhow good the Ram looks like whis is something that DOES NOT count for me ^^ This Video is very nice made, I am very thanksfull.
man i wish this channel was a thing back 2016-2017 when i build my first rig, would have made drastically different choices on parts. now that im here now overhauling my whole rig. all i gotta say is i love how explicit you are with explaining things. cheers mate.
One consideration I didn't hear, or may have missed, is physical size. My CPU cooler does not leave a lot of room for fancy RAM with all the heat spreaders that look like trees with branches sticking out, or a samurai helmet. I don’t know how people manage to fit that stuff. For my current system, I went with 32GB Corsair Vengeance LP 3200 CL16 because I knew it would fit. Also knew it would run without issues because my old system also used a similar Corsair LP product and never had any RAM stability issues.
Good review. Only thing i miss is that faster ram not really improve average fps but specially the low fps. Making games feel smoother. I upgraded 3000mhz cl16 to 3600mhz cl 16 and the difference is noticeable and worth it for me. About 5 to 10% improved low fps. Fps drops to 60 fps now stay above 70. I sold my old ram kit so it only costed me 20$
This is one of the best RAM break down and recommendations I've seen on RUclips or anywhere else. Jason, you're really knocked this one way Way WAY out of the park!!! Good job.
For most budgets I just throw a basic Silicon Power XPOWER Turbine 3200 CL16 kit in there. They’re really cheap and have respectable performance. That’s all most midrange buyers really need.
Be extremely careful when reading product descriptions before buying RAM. Because there’s 2 variables you could see something cheap with a good speed but if you don’t read carefully you may miss it having bad timing. I almost made this mistake when I built my first pc recently so I hope it helps someone.
@@PCBuilderChannel I was personally thrown off by 3600 CL18 kits, slightly more expensive than 3200 CL16 budget set I was looking at and thought “why not it’s not much more” then later realised the mistake and rushed to cancel the order and reorder 3200 16
I just build a pc a few months ago and didnt realize ram speed and timings was important. My ram is 3200 cl22-22-22-25. What do you recommend the timing for 3600mhz cl 16 im planning to upgrade for better performace please help
@@Cassapphic You do realize that these RAMs have the exact same real time delay... right? 3600 CL18 is better, cause it's the same delay with higher frequency.
bought a ddr5 last month. upgrade from ddr3 1866mhz to ddr5 6000mhz. from 4th gen intel core to 12th gen. 8 years++ my 4th gen i7 4790k going strong, time to upgrade ☑️
Such a well-made video. Everything about this is perfect. No time wasting, excellent and clear presentation, the very likable personality of the presenter, well researched, completes the mentioned topic, and last but not least, an adorable kitty. Absolute satisfaction.
Great contents as always. It sure helps to explain the terminology of all the DRAM and what the gamers need to know. It will be great to have a bit more information for the Laptop gamers because those SODIMM are definitely different from the desktop users. But like you said, DRAM importance are under the GPU, CPU and even possibly motherboard in terms of gaming performance.
Thanks for the great feedback! We did actually have a section going more into laptop memory but we cut if for time I'm afraid. Always hard to know how much info to throw at people in a video. Jareds Tech does have a great video on laptop memory we recommend if people need more info too.
Because I wanted dual rank, I went for Gskill Trident Z DDR4 3600 CL16, 2×16 Gb. DDR4s were much cheaper than DDR5s and faster so a motherboard Z690 with DDR4 were the way to go.
DDR5 is much faster than DDR4, if you watch most videos you see DDR4 beating out DDR5 except in some cases, this has been due to a few things, most importantly as DDR5 is new most MOBO manufacturers have not done well at taking advantage of the new tech, since even the latest DDR5 tests I have had 5 bios updates on my z690 hero, all of them have been to increase DDR5 performance, I have seen very large increases which I know one RUclipsr is working on showing the updates in the following weeks.
One thing that confused me during my PC part gathering, I had 2 identical 2x8gb kits that were 3600 CL16 from the same retailer, when I later found a sale page from them with a similar kit with the same specs, brand and all for less than I got my kits, but it was a separate SKU. I researched and found out they had different timings but still CL16. The kits I had were 16-19-19-39 (Hynix die), and the kit on the sale page was 16-16-16-36 (Samsung die). Naturally, I returned my kits and bought 2 of the kits with the tighter timings for cheaper.
Yes 100% the SKU variations tied with merchant obfuscation/ignorance is the hardest part when it comes to RAM. Did you notice a difference with the Samsung SKU?
Best hardware reviewer I've seen in recent times, as an overclocker I've run the benches and games to test what he says myself. Not like those BS promoters trying to waste your money on other channels.
I got 4600Mhz CL18-26-26-46 and i managed to sync it with the memory controler of Ryzen9-5950x at 1966Mhz (3933 MT) at CL-15-21-21-36. And it is lighting fast ! Passmark shows memory latency 40ns ! Very satisfied ! Yet another great informative seminar video from PC Builder :)
If you want 4000MHz CL16 memory I recommend the Patriot Viper Steel. They only cost $104 at the moment, $15 less than the Ripjaws, and they're Samsung b-die and come with 16-16-16 timings instead of the Ripjaws' 16-19-19. Heck of a deal in my opinion.
That’s b die down bin. Anything downbin will run the speeds and latencies but will come with microstuttering which negates the whole point of overclocking.
Thank you for making this video. It's been a while since I've seen anyone make a good RAM roundup. Great points regarding considerations for a gaming PC. One thing I do want to point out regarding rigs for Professional content creation. If you're building a PC for these reasons, then stability should the 2nd highest consideration behind capacity on what settings you should use for memory. It doesn't help if you gain a few seconds on your rendering times if the PC is crashing regularly. Even if you game on the same PC, the loss of a few fps is worth getting reliable performance when doing paid (or practicing to get paid) work.
Great video, very informative! I just dropped 32 GB of 3600 CL16 G.SKILL Trident Neo Z RAM in my gaming rig after a near full system upgrade -- while also swapping from an Intel CPU to an Ryzen -- and I'm beyond pleased with the results. I went with the 32 GB of RAM due to I'm a sim racer, and use a lot of extra peripherals and VR headset, while also future proofing my system... hopefully.
These videos are incredible. As someone with no education or experience in this field, this has made shopping for parts and understanding how to build efficiently super easy to understand. Thank you!
Built a pc recently with those kingston fury renegade sticks that you showed in your video and I'm still in love with the way they look and preform. 1% lows are better than most benchmarks that I watched, so imo spending the extra money on the 3600mhz cl16 was worth the extra bucks. Finding good looking ram for my all black build was kind of a task lol, but these sticks are nice and I'm thinking of upgrading to 32GB in the near future!
@@PCBuilderChannel I've got them too but I feel like they don't like my motherboard at all constantly crashing. Motherboard b450 A Pro max paired with AMD 5800x and 3080 rtx
@@chevchelios3118 i have Ryzen 7 5800x with B450M Aii ASUS prime and want to buy 16GB stick so tell me what clock speed is good for 5800x ? 3200mhz cl16 or 3600mhz cl16 or cl18 ?
Nice work covering dual channel and dual rank, as well as RAM in general. One thing you forgot to mention is the rare quad and tri channel motherboards.
These videos are so good man. I can't tell you how much I have learned over the last year or so about PC parts and PC building that I just didn't obsorb or understand from watching other videos. I've put together 3 killer PCs in the last year, one of which being a very tiny ITX build with the help of a lot of these videos. I appreciate your content!
Having all the RAM slots populated(starting from 4x8GB) and a Vega series is a nice combo because if you have even a Ryzen CPU you can use HBCC and SAM.
The main reason I upgrade my pc, is literally because I DO WANT to have tabs open while playing. WTF people still recommend 16 gb in late 2022? Who you recommend it for? Your 7 year old son? Here is common setup.. yes common: 3 monitors.. twitch chat, chrome tabs open, waiting for league of legends queue, playing heartstone while waiting. Having world of warcraft open in background for social and guild management. Having discord open. This is COMMON!!!!!
Recently discovered your channel and it has helped me out in cutting costs wherever I can without sacrificing performance, thanks! Quick question: how much am I going to sacrifice in terms of performance by going with the 5600G instead of the X? Not doing so because of its integrated graphics, but as an emergency option in case my AMD GPU's drivers fail (I've heard horror stories in the subreddit) and don't have to wait weeks to use my PC again.
Bad idea taking such a hit on cpu just as a backup. On Intel side you do not sacrifice anything to get an igpu, on AMD side you jump backwards half a gen.
Had the money and decided to go the overkill route to see what it could do. Got 4000 CL14. While benchmarks were a bit faster, it was not really noticeable. But hey now if someone wants to know how any specific speed works compared to another speed, I can just set my memory to that speed in the bios and tell them. :)
@@iamnotanundercoverfederalagent Some do. Some don't. I got lucky and was able to run it fine. If it didn't then I would have kicked it down a little slower.
Great video in general, no complaints. Might make special mention of the 3600 cl17 stuff in future which is almost certainly CJR, and although with a ryzen build which doesn't run odd Cas latencies you'd end up at 18-19-19-39 which is still better than the 3600 18-20-20 or 18-22-22 kits. The main reason 3200 14-14-14 is more expensive is the fact that it is bdie and as such attracts the bdie tax and is less common as well and the real value lies in manual tuning for it and like you mentioned the compatibility as even the older ryzen stuff will run it no problem.
i like you. this is the first video i have seen of yours. you're straight to the point, clear and easy to understand. everything is laid out and no extra "flare" or BS is added.
I notice that over 3200/CL16, it seems like most benchmarks only leave low single digit fps on the table by getting better RAM, and most times you're GPU bound anyway. Also I think when you said it's not worth chasing dual-rank, you mean quad-rank. Dual rank is what we'll have with only 2 single-rank dimms.
I think you're confused on dual rank vs dual channel, watch that section of the video again. You are correct that for the vast majority of people, 3200 CL16 is the answer!
@@PCBuilderChannel I wasn't confusing rank and channel, I rewatched and it confused me because when you say "dual rank", you must be referring to each stick being dual rank. But I heard that as dual rank sum total. I'm used to x2 dual rank (or x4 single rank) being referred to as a quad rank setup.
@@libertyprime9307 Dual rank is one of the following two: 1.) Two sticks of ram with ram on BOTH sides of the DIMM. 2.) Four sticks of ram with ram on ONLY on side of the DIMM.
@@michaelschwader7944 Say we've got 2 sticks of RAM, each stick is single rank. 1+1=2, we have 2 ranks total = dual rank. Or 2 sticks of RAM with each stick being dual rank. 2+2=4, we have 4 ranks total = quad rank.
Great and informative video mr Jason! I just wish I saw this 6 weeks ago, before bying my new rig.. To warn anyone who are out to upgrade to DDR5, DO NOT buy 4 sticks of DDR5 RAM! As you touched in this video, the memory controllers just can't handle it.. I bought a pre-built with a kit of 2x Kingston Fury 16GB 5200 MT/s, but chose an upgrade option to ad 2 more of the same sticks. When trying to activate XMP in the BIOS, the PC doesn't even boot up.. Trying to manually set the memory to run more than 4000 MT/s, just makes the system very unstable, so baseclock is really all I can use without having frequent game crashes. So now I'm trying to get the company who built the PC to swap my 4 sticks for a kit of 2 sticks with the same amount of memory..😕
For intel 3200mhz cl16, may seem that it has same first word latency than 3600mhz cl18, but the subtimings are slightly faster and are often same price or less than the 3600mhz cl18. For amd 3600mhz cl18, amd cpus usually prefer 3600mhz or so. 3600mhz cl16 is also on the table, i can find these kits for $20 more than their 3600mhz cl18. You can also consider samsung bdie for amd if you overclock, but they are quite more $ and quite more hard to find. Also there are ADATA, XPG, and TEAMGROUP bundles of RAM and SSD which contain higher end SSDS and saves a buck.
Some things prefer lower latency, some faster frequency. On balance 3600 CL18 is roughly equivalent to 3200 CL16 and that's why I recommend to skip it in favor of 3600 CL16 if you want to jump up a tier of performance.
Internally there is a timing spec of how long it takes in nanoseconds to get data to the output pins (CAS latency). So, if you are running at a faster clock, you'll wait more cycles before that timing is met. At the extremely you could have CL1, but you'd have to run slow like 20MHz. The only reason to run at a faster clock is the subsequent data burst (next bit in the burst) has a much faster timing. Not than you can control how a game reads it's memory. But sequential reads are faster than random
I am about to build my first pc with the coming 7900 xtx and the 7600x cpu and i had literally no idea about anything before but after watching you dor a week straight i am pretty sure i am set for this job. Thank you for everything!
I learned a couple new things about RAM so thank you for that. I was hoping you would be covering a little more about DDR5 as I am buying a desktop to get away from using my laptop for highly demanding games and applications. The desktop comes with 12th Gen Intel chips 3070TI and DDR5 4800Mhz. I assumed it would be sufficient and on equal par with DDR4 and make it easily upgradeable when DDR5 gets better and cheaper.
If it is a prebuilt, you don't have a lot of choice if they use DDR5. Nothing wrong with it, just that the memory controller on 12th gen intel can't fully take advantage of DDR5 (similar thing happened when DDR4 first rolled out). Hopefully Ryzen 7000 and 13th gen Intel continue to improve! But similar gaming performance. Hope that helps!
I would actually go for 2x16gb 3600mhz, cl16. Price wise it's like less than double usually compared to 2x8 and you future proof yourself so much more. I agree that most of the time you won't need more than 16gb ram, but when you have discord, steam, windows, and all kinds of other stuff running it starts to take a toll. Especially when you play city builder games which are often overlooked in comparisons. Think of: cities skylines, frostpunk, anno 1800. Then 32 will make a difference over 16gb. Plus it's easier to fork out say 50 bucks for double the ram rather than finding a matching kit 1 year down the line. In my case for instance the RAM i had was discontinued because of a takeover.
0:10 I cringed a little when I saw the motherboard bend, parts can be ripped of the motherboard like that, and you wouldn't even know it. Do it on a hard surface.
This is the best channel I've seen in years of geeking and learning what I need and what to buy. Underrated, I we still get ocasional memes with no runarounds but straight to the point.
Brilliantly made video with clearly explained info. Can I just say how frustrating it is that intel restrict the ram to the cpu model, I have an i7 and it throttles my ram down from 3600 to 2933 which is the max, xmp profile will not change anything, I have a prime b460 plus mobo, is this possible to rectify? Or am there stuck at 2933?
This channel is a god send. You get into the little subtle nuances that are very hard to find on the web, for me at least. Also I really enjoy Mr Bear!
Thank you for this informative video. I just want Ram, NVMe and SSD that won’t bankrupt me and won’t die after a year which is what almost every PC builder channels on RUclips never seem to understand by using cheap parts but never read the comments on Newegg that these cheap brands die after 6-12 months.
I came to figure out what dual rank memory is and I went away knowing my Corsair 3600MHz 16GB of RAM is more than enough for gaming. Thanks for the money saving tip!
I...literally, ran a desperatley overclocked corsair 3600 on 3600 hz and had bad performance. Just good enough to deal with it. Activating xmp caused my system to shut down. I did not knew better and did leave it be. Since I learned about Ram speed not equal hz, I was able troubleshoot and find this old fatally wrong setting. systems runs like bad ass. Thanks a lot!!
i bought cheap ram for like 19 bucks on ebay back in 2015, 8gbs and it still works to this day, super perfomant on like gta 4 and minecraft which are the only games i really play today,
Good video. It made since to me because I spend about a day looking into ram and how it's setup and used. I think without that, the viewer would be lost on most of the video. That's not meant as a dig. You nailed the important stuff. Because of that, I've subscribed. It nice to know the review knows what they are talking about.
thank you very much, I'm assembling my first gaming PC, despite having learned a lot about all the components of the PC, the RAM was the component I had the most doubts about, now I understand thanks to you
This explanation is impecable. Easily one of the best educational videos i’ve seen in the last decade. Congratulations, you’ve just won a new subscriber!
Jason, your content is so good, thanks for the contribution, I just wish I found your videos before I built my PC, it could definitely have been boosted!
I recently found your channel and glad I did! I’m building my first PC and your videos are saving me alot of money that i would’ve blindly spent in an attempt to get the “best” when all i really want is the best for gaming only!
@@PCBuilderChannel Could I get your opinion? I’m debating whether to buy a 6900xt while prices are low, or wait for next gen and buy a equally priced 7000xt series card? Considering last gens stock crisis, is it wiser to just grab a 6900xt while it’s on sale? Would hate to spend $679 on current gen when I could possibly get next gen performance for around the same price soon.
@@PCBuilderChannel also, I’m trying to decide between the 5900x or 5800x3d? Currently the 5900x is about $50 cheaper than the x3d. Is the 3d cache better over the extra cores from the 5900x? I only plan on gaming and want the best performance.
I understand all of your explanations, but I find it hard to believe that paying about an extra $20-30 or so to go from a 2x8GB kit to a 2X16GB kit won't improve things overall in general. Especially if you're doing things with your PC other than just gaming.
What memory are you looking to buy? Tell your story in a new comment below!
you should make a "Stop buying this" series, explaining a lot about of pc components and what to go after. Could potentially save hundreds of dollars for people.
I bought G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16GB (8x2) Dual Channel 3000MHz CL16 DDR RAM Is that good? I have it running on an Asus Tuf Gaming x570 Plus (Wifi) with an AMD 3950x
Hi Jason. I recently built my system and had a question about ram. I have 16gb (2x8GB) of XPG Spectrix D45G DDR4 ram and have another kit on the way. Will this second kit add well with the original set or is it better to get ram in a kit like a 4x8GB kit?
@@mrwang420 bro… u should get at least 3600 with a beast processor like that. U can get 3600mhz cl16 too from g.skill
@@august101 3600mhz is the best for Ryzen. You can get a cl16 kit for 80.00
This is exactly what I needed. No other channel offers as comprehensive and educational a guide as this. Thank you, Mr Bear!
Mr Bear says you're welcome! (;
So glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching
I totaly suppport your meaning. Other people describe hhow good the Ram looks like whis is something that DOES NOT count for me ^^ This Video is very nice made, I am very thanksfull.
@@310pwn Are you a bot?
There are some
LTT my boy, Linus and crew are also fantastic
man i wish this channel was a thing back 2016-2017 when i build my first rig, would have made drastically different choices on parts. now that im here now overhauling my whole rig. all i gotta say is i love how explicit you are with explaining things. cheers mate.
Thanks so much for the great feedback! It means a lot to us. Best of luck with your upgrades! Happy to help
One consideration I didn't hear, or may have missed, is physical size. My CPU cooler does not leave a lot of room for fancy RAM with all the heat spreaders that look like trees with branches sticking out, or a samurai helmet. I don’t know how people manage to fit that stuff.
For my current system, I went with 32GB Corsair Vengeance LP 3200 CL16 because I knew it would fit. Also knew it would run without issues because my old system also used a similar Corsair LP product and never had any RAM stability issues.
LP is for Low Profile and exists for exactly your use case.
Facts Water block here, so i got some low profile redlines
Good review. Only thing i miss is that faster ram not really improve average fps but specially the low fps. Making games feel smoother. I upgraded 3000mhz cl16 to 3600mhz cl 16 and the difference is noticeable and worth it for me. About 5 to 10% improved low fps. Fps drops to 60 fps now stay above 70. I sold my old ram kit so it only costed me 20$
Yeah. I was disappointed that wasn't mentioned. Workstation graphic cards have a similar effect to lows, but even more pronounced.
Is 3200 mhz 32gb ram good?
This is one of the best RAM break down and recommendations I've seen on RUclips or anywhere else. Jason, you're really knocked this one way Way WAY out of the park!!! Good job.
Thanks so much Lance! The feedback means a lot to us!
So you've seen too little.
For most budgets I just throw a basic Silicon Power XPOWER Turbine 3200 CL16 kit in there. They’re really cheap and have respectable performance. That’s all most midrange buyers really need.
Or there's a team 3600 C18 avaliable for 55 usually if you'd rather have higher frequency, though they should perform similar
@@olegb5061 I use those too sometimes, especially for Ryzen builds.
Be extremely careful when reading product descriptions before buying RAM. Because there’s 2 variables you could see something cheap with a good speed but if you don’t read carefully you may miss it having bad timing. I almost made this mistake when I built my first pc recently so I hope it helps someone.
Yes combo of timings + speed is important. Avoid those cheap 3200 CL20 kits!
@@PCBuilderChannel I was personally thrown off by 3600 CL18 kits, slightly more expensive than 3200 CL16 budget set I was looking at and thought “why not it’s not much more” then later realised the mistake and rushed to cancel the order and reorder 3200 16
This! When I was younger, I wanted to upgrade my laptop's ram...turns out DIMM doesn't fit in a SODIMM slot, lol.
I just build a pc a few months ago and didnt realize ram speed and timings was important. My ram is 3200 cl22-22-22-25. What do you recommend the timing for 3600mhz cl 16 im planning to upgrade for better performace please help
@@Cassapphic You do realize that these RAMs have the exact same real time delay... right? 3600 CL18 is better, cause it's the same delay with higher frequency.
bought a ddr5 last month. upgrade from ddr3 1866mhz to ddr5 6000mhz. from 4th gen intel core to 12th gen. 8 years++ my 4th gen i7 4790k going strong, time to upgrade ☑️
Such a well-made video. Everything about this is perfect. No time wasting, excellent and clear presentation, the very likable personality of the presenter, well researched, completes the mentioned topic, and last but not least, an adorable kitty. Absolute satisfaction.
Thank you so much for the awesome feedback! So glad you enjoyed (:
Great contents as always. It sure helps to explain the terminology of all the DRAM and what the gamers need to know. It will be great to have a bit more information for the Laptop gamers because those SODIMM are definitely different from the desktop users.
But like you said, DRAM importance are under the GPU, CPU and even possibly motherboard in terms of gaming performance.
Thanks for the great feedback! We did actually have a section going more into laptop memory but we cut if for time I'm afraid. Always hard to know how much info to throw at people in a video. Jareds Tech does have a great video on laptop memory we recommend if people need more info too.
Because I wanted dual rank, I went for Gskill Trident Z DDR4 3600 CL16, 2×16 Gb. DDR4s were much cheaper than DDR5s and faster so a motherboard Z690 with DDR4 were the way to go.
Nice!
I'd definitely recommend these rams since they look good and for 175$ only!.
DDR5 is much faster than DDR4, if you watch most videos you see DDR4 beating out DDR5 except in some cases, this has been due to a few things, most importantly as DDR5 is new most MOBO manufacturers have not done well at taking advantage of the new tech, since even the latest DDR5 tests I have had 5 bios updates on my z690 hero, all of them have been to increase DDR5 performance, I have seen very large increases which I know one RUclipsr is working on showing the updates in the following weeks.
@@neomis0119 Cool
@221722171 10k? Lmao hell no, its already significantly faster, just not always worth it
One thing that confused me during my PC part gathering, I had 2 identical 2x8gb kits that were 3600 CL16 from the same retailer, when I later found a sale page from them with a similar kit with the same specs, brand and all for less than I got my kits, but it was a separate SKU. I researched and found out they had different timings but still CL16.
The kits I had were 16-19-19-39 (Hynix die), and the kit on the sale page was 16-16-16-36 (Samsung die). Naturally, I returned my kits and bought 2 of the kits with the tighter timings for cheaper.
Yes 100% the SKU variations tied with merchant obfuscation/ignorance is the hardest part when it comes to RAM. Did you notice a difference with the Samsung SKU?
@@Tadders The Hynix version SKU was F4-3600C16D-16GTZNC, whereas the Samsung SKU was F4-3600C16D-16GTZN, with no 'C' on the end. I have no regrets 👍
To add to that every time Chelsea played against Barca in that period we were always the better team.
Best hardware reviewer I've seen in recent times, as an overclocker I've run the benches and games to test what he says myself. Not like those BS promoters trying to waste your money on other channels.
I got 4600Mhz CL18-26-26-46 and i managed to sync it with the memory controler of Ryzen9-5950x at 1966Mhz (3933 MT) at CL-15-21-21-36. And it is lighting fast ! Passmark shows memory latency 40ns ! Very satisfied ! Yet another great informative seminar video from PC Builder :)
If you want 4000MHz CL16 memory I recommend the Patriot Viper Steel. They only cost $104 at the moment, $15 less than the Ripjaws, and they're Samsung b-die and come with 16-16-16 timings instead of the Ripjaws' 16-19-19. Heck of a deal in my opinion.
That’s b die down bin. Anything downbin will run the speeds and latencies but will come with microstuttering which negates the whole point of overclocking.
@@koreanjew Damn I've never heard of that.
@@koreanjew what is the best option if i use xmp profile the straight 16 timings or 16-19-19 pls help im planning to upgrade my ram
Bro what 😮 that’s fucking good
@@koreanjew the fuck are you even talking about. B-die uses BCPD 2133mhz chips with JEDEC 2133/2400 profiles usually.
Stop misinforming people lol
Finally got my setup built not long ago and your channel really helped me build confidence on pc building, thank you for the great content!
So glad we could help! Congrats on your build!!
Thank you for making this video. It's been a while since I've seen anyone make a good RAM roundup. Great points regarding considerations for a gaming PC. One thing I do want to point out regarding rigs for Professional content creation. If you're building a PC for these reasons, then stability should the 2nd highest consideration behind capacity on what settings you should use for memory. It doesn't help if you gain a few seconds on your rendering times if the PC is crashing regularly. Even if you game on the same PC, the loss of a few fps is worth getting reliable performance when doing paid (or practicing to get paid) work.
Totally agree on this, and that is why for the video editing PCs we've built I've talked about the speed vs stability issue in those videos!
this is the most helpful of channel i’ve come across thank you
Happy to hear that! Thanks for watching
Great video! Nice to see someone cut through the hype and help the first time or unsure builder.
Glad you enjoyed! Thanks for watching
Great video, very informative!
I just dropped 32 GB of 3600 CL16 G.SKILL Trident Neo Z RAM in my gaming rig after a near full system upgrade -- while also swapping from an Intel CPU to an Ryzen -- and I'm beyond pleased with the results. I went with the 32 GB of RAM due to I'm a sim racer, and use a lot of extra peripherals and VR headset, while also future proofing my system... hopefully.
Wonderful! So glad we could help
These videos are incredible. As someone with no education or experience in this field, this has made shopping for parts and understanding how to build efficiently super easy to understand. Thank you!
Thank you for the great feedback! It really means a lot to us. So glad we could help!
Built a pc recently with those kingston fury renegade sticks that you showed in your video and I'm still in love with the way they look and preform. 1% lows are better than most benchmarks that I watched, so imo spending the extra money on the 3600mhz cl16 was worth the extra bucks. Finding good looking ram for my all black build was kind of a task lol, but these sticks are nice and I'm thinking of upgrading to 32GB in the near future!
nice!!
@@PCBuilderChannel I've got them too but I feel like they don't like my motherboard at all constantly crashing. Motherboard b450 A Pro max paired with AMD 5800x and 3080 rtx
@@chevchelios3118 Damn man that’s really unfortunate. Ever figure it out? That’s a lot of power so is your PSU sufficient?
@@chevchelios3118 i have Ryzen 7 5800x with B450M Aii ASUS prime and want to buy 16GB stick so tell me what clock speed is good for 5800x ? 3200mhz cl16 or 3600mhz cl16 or cl18 ?
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One video, ONE 17 minute youtube video, and i know everything about ram. This guy is awesome
im going to memorize all your videos right now ... very good info and not very dificult to understand for non english speakes (like me)
so glad they are helpful!
Nice work covering dual channel and dual rank, as well as RAM in general. One thing you forgot to mention is the rare quad and tri channel motherboards.
Thank you! We were only talking about intel 10th-12th gen and Ryzen 3000 -5000 in this video (;
These videos are so good man. I can't tell you how much I have learned over the last year or so about PC parts and PC building that I just didn't obsorb or understand from watching other videos. I've put together 3 killer PCs in the last year, one of which being a very tiny ITX build with the help of a lot of these videos. I appreciate your content!
Glad I could help!!! :)
Having all the RAM slots populated(starting from 4x8GB) and a Vega series is a nice combo because if you have even a Ryzen CPU you can use HBCC and SAM.
Pretty sure anything different than single dual makes you lost perfs. It's even indicated on MB websites as a warning.
I love Pep, got nothing against the City players...they're all good lads. I agree with your points..people have very short memories in football.
Why do I get late 90's late night infomercial vibs from this guy?
The main reason I upgrade my pc, is literally because I DO WANT to have tabs open while playing. WTF people still recommend 16 gb in late 2022? Who you recommend it for? Your 7 year old son? Here is common setup.. yes common:
3 monitors.. twitch chat, chrome tabs open, waiting for league of legends queue, playing heartstone while waiting. Having world of warcraft open in background for social and guild management. Having discord open.
This is COMMON!!!!!
Recently discovered your channel and it has helped me out in cutting costs wherever I can without sacrificing performance, thanks!
Quick question: how much am I going to sacrifice in terms of performance by going with the 5600G instead of the X? Not doing so because of its integrated graphics, but as an emergency option in case my AMD GPU's drivers fail (I've heard horror stories in the subreddit) and don't have to wait weeks to use my PC again.
Why not go for a i5 12400 or i3 12100
@@PopBunny8899 lmfao i already bought a b550 motherboard and it's too late to refund it
@@spoopyb2069 oh ok np
Watch our 5600g build video on the channel, we benchmark it compared to other options
Bad idea taking such a hit on cpu just as a backup. On Intel side you do not sacrifice anything to get an igpu, on AMD side you jump backwards half a gen.
Had the money and decided to go the overkill route to see what it could do. Got 4000 CL14. While benchmarks were a bit faster, it was not really noticeable. But hey now if someone wants to know how any specific speed works compared to another speed, I can just set my memory to that speed in the bios and tell them. :)
@@iamnotanundercoverfederalagent Some do. Some don't. I got lucky and was able to run it fine. If it didn't then I would have kicked it down a little slower.
Great video in general, no complaints. Might make special mention of the 3600 cl17 stuff in future which is almost certainly CJR, and although with a ryzen build which doesn't run odd Cas latencies you'd end up at 18-19-19-39 which is still better than the 3600 18-20-20 or 18-22-22 kits.
The main reason 3200 14-14-14 is more expensive is the fact that it is bdie and as such attracts the bdie tax and is less common as well and the real value lies in manual tuning for it and like you mentioned the compatibility as even the older ryzen stuff will run it no problem.
ryzen does run odd cas, you just have to disable gear down mode, however this makes it much harder to stabilize command 1t.
@Comet 1310 yes that is true but most people are set xmp and forget. If they set xmp at all...
i like you. this is the first video i have seen of yours. you're straight to the point, clear and easy to understand. everything is laid out and no extra "flare" or BS is added.
Has to pause the video at min 4 to comment this is an excellent intro to RAM understanding, congrats sir
I notice that over 3200/CL16, it seems like most benchmarks only leave low single digit fps on the table by getting better RAM, and most times you're GPU bound anyway.
Also I think when you said it's not worth chasing dual-rank, you mean quad-rank. Dual rank is what we'll have with only 2 single-rank dimms.
I think you're confused on dual rank vs dual channel, watch that section of the video again. You are correct that for the vast majority of people, 3200 CL16 is the answer!
@@PCBuilderChannel I wasn't confusing rank and channel, I rewatched and it confused me because when you say "dual rank", you must be referring to each stick being dual rank. But I heard that as dual rank sum total. I'm used to x2 dual rank (or x4 single rank) being referred to as a quad rank setup.
@@libertyprime9307 Dual rank is one of the following two:
1.) Two sticks of ram with ram on BOTH sides of the DIMM.
2.) Four sticks of ram with ram on ONLY on side of the DIMM.
@@michaelschwader7944 Say we've got 2 sticks of RAM, each stick is single rank. 1+1=2, we have 2 ranks total = dual rank.
Or 2 sticks of RAM with each stick being dual rank. 2+2=4, we have 4 ranks total = quad rank.
Unless you make a series error you're fine with two sticks of 3200 RAM. I don't think it makes much difference.
Great and informative video mr Jason! I just wish I saw this 6 weeks ago, before bying my new rig.. To warn anyone who are out to upgrade to DDR5, DO NOT buy 4 sticks of DDR5 RAM! As you touched in this video, the memory controllers just can't handle it.. I bought a pre-built with a kit of 2x Kingston Fury 16GB 5200 MT/s, but chose an upgrade option to ad 2 more of the same sticks. When trying to activate XMP in the BIOS, the PC doesn't even boot up.. Trying to manually set the memory to run more than 4000 MT/s, just makes the system very unstable, so baseclock is really all I can use without having frequent game crashes. So now I'm trying to get the company who built the PC to swap my 4 sticks for a kit of 2 sticks with the same amount of memory..😕
I have 4 sticks of 8gb trident ddr4 in my set up totally 32gbs of RAM. Are you and pc builder saying that's bad? I should only run 2 sticks of 16 gb?
@@Jiggy_Jayy DDR4 is fine, DDR5 not so much..
@@Trailerkusken word, thanks man!
For intel 3200mhz cl16, may seem that it has same first word latency than 3600mhz cl18, but the subtimings are slightly faster and are often same price or less than the 3600mhz cl18.
For amd 3600mhz cl18, amd cpus usually prefer 3600mhz or so.
3600mhz cl16 is also on the table, i can find these kits for $20 more than their 3600mhz cl18.
You can also consider samsung bdie for amd if you overclock, but they are quite more $ and quite more hard to find.
Also there are ADATA, XPG, and TEAMGROUP bundles of RAM and SSD which contain higher end SSDS and saves a buck.
Some things prefer lower latency, some faster frequency. On balance 3600 CL18 is roughly equivalent to 3200 CL16 and that's why I recommend to skip it in favor of 3600 CL16 if you want to jump up a tier of performance.
Internally there is a timing spec of how long it takes in nanoseconds to get data to the output pins (CAS latency). So, if you are running at a faster clock, you'll wait more cycles before that timing is met. At the extremely you could have CL1, but you'd have to run slow like 20MHz. The only reason to run at a faster clock is the subsequent data burst (next bit in the burst) has a much faster timing. Not than you can control how a game reads it's memory. But sequential reads are faster than random
@@PCBuilderChannel Yea I also just went for 3600mhz cl18 cause why not
I am about to build my first pc with the coming 7900 xtx and the 7600x cpu and i had literally no idea about anything before but after watching you dor a week straight i am pretty sure i am set for this job. Thank you for everything!
Even though it's an "old" video, my god this is so helpful. Thank you so much mister !
You got it, love to hear how helpful you found it! Oldie but a goldie :) thanks for the support.
I learned a couple new things about RAM so thank you for that. I was hoping you would be covering a little more about DDR5 as I am buying a desktop to get away from using my laptop for highly demanding games and applications. The desktop comes with 12th Gen Intel chips 3070TI and DDR5 4800Mhz. I assumed it would be sufficient and on equal par with DDR4 and make it easily upgradeable when DDR5 gets better and cheaper.
If it is a prebuilt, you don't have a lot of choice if they use DDR5. Nothing wrong with it, just that the memory controller on 12th gen intel can't fully take advantage of DDR5 (similar thing happened when DDR4 first rolled out). Hopefully Ryzen 7000 and 13th gen Intel continue to improve! But similar gaming performance. Hope that helps!
I would actually go for 2x16gb 3600mhz, cl16. Price wise it's like less than double usually compared to 2x8 and you future proof yourself so much more.
I agree that most of the time you won't need more than 16gb ram, but when you have discord, steam, windows, and all kinds of other stuff running it starts to take a toll. Especially when you play city builder games which are often overlooked in comparisons. Think of: cities skylines, frostpunk, anno 1800. Then 32 will make a difference over 16gb. Plus it's easier to fork out say 50 bucks for double the ram rather than finding a matching kit 1 year down the line. In my case for instance the RAM i had was discontinued because of a takeover.
DO NOT get only 16gb. Get at least 32gb for anything.
Meh, i agree because price is close but the only game that needs more than 16 is star citizen.
And BeamNG. Cities Skylines likes RAM too
I agree 100%
I have 32gb lpx 3600 but want 64gb
I’m watching this bud cuz I’m tryna run warzone on 8gb 💀
0:10 I cringed a little when I saw the motherboard bend, parts can be ripped of the motherboard like that, and you wouldn't even know it. Do it on a hard surface.
This is the best channel I've seen in years of geeking and learning what I need and what to buy.
Underrated, I we still get ocasional memes with no runarounds but straight to the point.
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Brilliantly made video with clearly explained info. Can I just say how frustrating it is that intel restrict the ram to the cpu model, I have an i7 and it throttles my ram down from 3600 to 2933 which is the max, xmp profile will not change anything, I have a prime b460 plus mobo, is this possible to rectify? Or am there stuck at 2933?
This was so helpful. Listening multiple times just to absorb the info. It’s dense, in the best way.
So glad you found this one helpful! Thank you for watching.
I appreciate you trying to make all this boring tech jargon interesting by keeping an upbeat voice and attitude. Good vids all around
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This channel is Encylopedia for PC stuff! I love your content 🤘
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Thank you so much! This is a meticulous explanation of how RAM works, you're really good at this.
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This channel is a god send. You get into the little subtle nuances that are very hard to find on the web, for me at least. Also I really enjoy Mr Bear!
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I'm so glad I found this video. I've been driving myself nuts with research on what RAM to buy
One of the clearest explanations on RAM I've heard! Thanks.
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For me, DDR 5 Motherboard and Memory. 12th gen intel! Im happy! Thanks for the video!
You've helped me avoid making a lot of mistakes. Thanks buddy!
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This is very helpful and educational. Thanks for the video ❤️
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Thank you for this informative video. I just want Ram, NVMe and SSD that won’t bankrupt me and won’t die after a year which is what almost every PC builder channels on RUclips never seem to understand by using cheap parts but never read the comments on Newegg that these cheap brands die after 6-12 months.
I've had HyperX Fury 32 GB 3200 Mhz RAM for about 3 years now and it hasn't failed me yet!
Great video! I haven't needed to upgrade my hardware in many years, but it's time to upgrade so it's nice to get a refresher course on all this stuff!
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I like your attitude and enthusiasm! Very good energy, without being over the edge or too goofy/flashy like most. SUB'D
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first 2 minutes alone I learned so much TY, easy thumbs up
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Dude, I love you. I've been looking for a video like this for a while. Very well made video!! You da real MVP!
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I came to figure out what dual rank memory is and I went away knowing my Corsair 3600MHz 16GB of RAM is more than enough for gaming. Thanks for the money saving tip!
Love to hear it, glad you were able to save! We're here to help ;)
I...literally, ran a desperatley overclocked corsair 3600 on 3600 hz and had bad performance. Just good enough to deal with it. Activating xmp caused my system to shut down. I did not knew better and did leave it be. Since I learned about Ram speed not equal hz, I was able troubleshoot and find this old fatally wrong setting. systems runs like bad ass. Thanks a lot!!
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i bought cheap ram for like 19 bucks on ebay back in 2015, 8gbs and it still works to this day, super perfomant on like gta 4 and minecraft which are the only games i really play today,
Im 20 years in PC building but that video cleard a knowdledgeholes
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It's just the channel I was looking for! But it's blown my wee my wee mind!
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Good video. It made since to me because I spend about a day looking into ram and how it's setup and used. I think without that, the viewer would be lost on most of the video. That's not meant as a dig. You nailed the important stuff. Because of that, I've subscribed. It nice to know the review knows what they are talking about.
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Great way to hit the ground running on the newer generations. Thanks a ton!
This is so dumb down for people like me. I really appreciate this man. Please make more content along these lines!!
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thank you very much, I'm assembling my first gaming PC, despite having learned a lot about all the components of the PC, the RAM was the component I had the most doubts about, now I understand thanks to you
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Thumbs up and subscribed for the single reason of this man's sheer competence.
This was explained so well!! THANKS
So glad!!
These are great videos. The information, the way you present clearly and light humor
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This explanation is impecable. Easily one of the best educational videos i’ve seen in the last decade. Congratulations, you’ve just won a new subscriber!
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Great info and nice cat! Thank you!
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I feel like i'm listening to a pc master builder at a highend store by just watching your videos i love it!
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This is simply one of the best, most important videos on all of RUclips for things PC related. What a gem! Thank you kindly for this jnformation.
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wicked video man. Really clears up my questions on what ram is good for gaming
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One of the best tech channels. Thank you ! Had to sub
Very thorough! thank you so much for your explanation! ♥
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I have an MSI Titan GT77 12UGS-009 and i want to upgrade to 128gb of DDR5 Ram...but i cant find anything available? Any guidance?
Thanks, Mr! I understood almost every word, sentence and explanations that you said. Subscribed!
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One question: What about CL40 DDR5 memories? Are they slow?
Not enough testing to know yet but it seems fine. Stay tuned for more coverage on that
Phew!! Well THAT clears it up. Thanks ever so much for that!!
You're very welcome! Glad we could help clarify :))
that was very helpful- all of it - no one ever told me about these important information (CL, MT, Clock, XMP) 😅🤷🏻♂️ thanks 👍🏼☺️
I really appreciate your videos. I’ve been using them to help me build my dream pc
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I have to say this sort of dollar value focused reviews are incredibly helpful.
That's great to hear!
A really excellent break down of what to buy and why!! Great work.
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Jason, your content is so good, thanks for the contribution, I just wish I found your videos before I built my PC, it could definitely have been boosted!
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Learned a lot about ram from this video. Thank you 🙂
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I'm glad I know all of this already.
Was looking for something I didn't already know.
I recently found your channel and glad I did! I’m building my first PC and your videos are saving me alot of money that i would’ve blindly spent in an attempt to get the “best” when all i really want is the best for gaming only!
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@@PCBuilderChannel Could I get your opinion? I’m debating whether to buy a 6900xt while prices are low, or wait for next gen and buy a equally priced 7000xt series card? Considering last gens stock crisis, is it wiser to just grab a 6900xt while it’s on sale? Would hate to spend $679 on current gen when I could possibly get next gen performance for around the same price soon.
@@PCBuilderChannel also, I’m trying to decide between the 5900x or 5800x3d? Currently the 5900x is about $50 cheaper than the x3d. Is the 3d cache better over the extra cores from the 5900x? I only plan on gaming and want the best performance.
I understand all of your explanations, but I find it hard to believe that paying about an extra $20-30 or so to go from a 2x8GB kit to a 2X16GB kit won't improve things overall in general. Especially if you're doing things with your PC other than just gaming.
what a insanely great video! thank you! merry christmas
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Hey gotta admit i found the red emojis on the title obnoxious and have been ignoring this video series 😂 thank god i finally clicked. No regrets! 🍻
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Trying to solve my reoccurring "Memory Management" crash issue. Thank you and Merry Christmas!
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I've been binging on this channel a lot, recently. Something relaxing about the presentation, and the topics are always fleshed out super well.
Hi Jason! Your a Gifted Teacher! Thank you good sir!
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Really nice ! Very important informations!!!
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