Why this Modified classic beats it’s new sibling! Peugeot 205 GTI Vs 208 GTI
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- Опубликовано: 12 авг 2020
- This crazy Peugeot 205 GTI 6 has 245HP and serious modifications.. can this make it as good or even better than the 208 GTI , a car 30 years its junior? To help it along the 208 also has a few mods!
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Just started my 205 1.9 after 16 years of stand still. Drive each weekend to nearest groshery story and around. Every trip is a WRC stage. Crisp response of engine and steering, and this FEEL OF LIGHTNESS. It seems you can do EVERYTHING. You are the god.
Now I regret selling my 205 GTI even more ! All though it's like 15 years ago....I still think of Pruum every day.... Thanks a lot 😭 !!!
Love your facial expressions with the 205, and difficulty talking over 6000rpm :)
he looked scared.. :) :)
Real metric = smiles per mile. The 205 is awesome. I had two 205 1.9 GTI’s from new, the second with power steering - neither had a cat. I absolutely loved them and was hooked from the moment I pulled out of a lay-by on the test drive. I literally crave the thought of driving one again, even more to take my son out for a ride - he has a Golf GTE which is fast but simply does not have the character or pure driver engagement. Great video - your passion for cars is addictive!
Another cracking video Jack 😉 , I'd definitely take that 205 over the 208 any day of the week! The 205 is just a cool little car maybe the 208 will get the same status in 20 years or so ......if they last that long ! 🤣👍
Don’t think the 208 will ever get to same status..
@@Number27 yeah I can't see it happening Jack! I've driven a couple of 208's i do like them apart from the look of the front end and I find the steering wheel obscures the gauges, mind you maybe I just had the steering wheel in wrong position.
The 205 reminds me so much of my old Corsa B, it had a 3 litre engine with mods so similar with around 240 bhp, 850 kg, was a lot of fun for less than 2k!
Great video, I’d love a 205 but i have a 306 GTI6 and love it, better that a lot of performance cars these days.
Size of smile when driving the 205 pretty much says it all.
Seems like a massive PITA for anything more than just going for a dive though.
I've got a 306 gti engined 205 - so much fun!!! 😁
mark tasker I have an mi16 one with jenvey throttle bodies.
BASTARD (lucky)
@@simes205 I've got an mi16 engine and r1 throttle bodies in the garage waiting to be used......true old school peugeot power. Feeling inspired to get it in a car now 😆
@@simes205 Hi Mr G thought that I might find you here 😆 Can't imagine I'll ever get rid of mine and presumably you won't either? They really do get under your skin.
@@simes205 Same here, Sandy brown mapped to 188bhp and nearly 160lbft of torque. Like a little rocket!
That 205 looked mental. The sound of the acceleration at high revs was insane and your facial expression and tense concentration said it all 😂👍
A big ty for doing this, I have been curios to see something about Pug1s. Thanks !!!!
That 208 is gorgeous,would love to daily that
and take the 205 to the track
Great cars!
That modified 205 is immense. Sounds awesome. I'm sat here listening to it and my clutch leg is going! I wish there was a Pug1Off in Australia to drop a 16v lump in my 205.
I NEED another 205.....bearing in mind the last one knocked me into a coma 25 years ago...but I still need one 🙄
Ohh man that 205 sounds epic, I've owned a few 'hot' Pug GTI's this takes me right back to the 90's having owned a 205, then a fast road tuned 309GTI which didn't have anything like 247bhp, but it was huge fun ragging it down the back lanes, I'd have that 205 for a daily in a heart beat.
The 205/309/306GTI's are from a time when Peugeot engineers just got "it" right...
Loving the different road tests, keep up the great work😷👍
That 205... just wow. Looks very very impressive
12:38 Jack goes all "Engineering Explained" on us
😄😄😄😄
The 205 looks & sounds immense. Love a N/A engine, especially when it revs as high as a race car! 👍🏼
Nice tribute to France, that 205 really sounds angry, the response of this engine with the itb is amazing. For a country road blast its perfect ! You'd be surprised how well Bilstein B6 handle bumpy road at the right pace. I have them on my e30 paired with h&r race springs on the front. At low speed it's really firm, past 50mph on a bumpy road, the shocks work really well. This 205 isn't the dual usage daily princess to go to work and then punk bad girl when you hit sport mode whatever. It's evil all the time, some like, some don't, but this why I drive old cars. Compromised life for sure, but never compromised for smiles !
I hope to drive a 208 and a Fiesta St, I like them and I think they are the best modern interpretation of "hot hatches" for not a ton of money. The thp sounded good but it seemed loud ahah. Thanks for the review and for the company to let you drive 2 nice machines. It makes us french guys proud of our little cars sometimes (not for everythings but thats another story ..)
Lovely Jubbly, your enthusiasm for most cars shows no bounds.
Not all!! But many!
Another great Old vs New video!
Thanks 🙏!
The look on your face when getting on the gas in the 205 is priceless.
Learned to drive in my mum's 205. What a great little car. Did trips into Switzerland and Norway with it, just awesome. And you could parallel park it into any vacant bit of space no matter how small. Still have fond memories of that 205.
Have been driving a first gen Cayman S in the mountains of New Zealand for the last 4 years... Small cars with just enough power all day ;)
Love these old v new reviews Jack, really entertaining. How about the Influenzo v a 458 next 😉😉
Thanks Chap!! That comparison would be much tougher.. the modern Ferraris though being less analogie are still pretty awesome to drive..
The last car I drove that was just perfect was an Alfa 33 1.7 Cloverleaf.
I just wanted to keep driving it around the lanes! It was one of those cars that just makes you smile.
Ditto the 205.
That 205 sounds ferocious, its got me looking at 205's on Autotrader now :D
Great video, the 205 sounded really nice. It does appear to me to be quite hard-core and unyielding though so I agree, I'd modify yours a bit but not to the white ones degree. If I had a Zx Volcane I presume all the performance bits would fit it, what a car! Take care Ben 😷😁
That 205 deserves an ASBO...... but only in the wrong hands. A cracking review there and it put a grin on my face for sure. Kushtie 👍👍
Great vid. For all the argument case you provided I did just that back in Feb when I brought a cayman 987 for £10k. I normally buy a premium car at around £20k and keep it for 10 years and this time did what you just described and not regretted once.
I had many 205GTI's the best was a rally prepared one which I built it had the 1.9 mi16v engine and gearbox and quafe diff. So much fun to drive and responsive.
I have to agree with the comments in the video and those expressed here, modern cars don't have the same level of communication with the driver.
Peugeot 205GTI is a legend!
absolutely loved loved that video!!!! 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼 just shows you can’t beat the old classics which is why my favourite car so far is my mk2 golf and my porsche 944 turbo ( modified ) just can’t beat the feeling and character that they ooz! 😉
Love love the 205! Sensational Pocket Rocket! That raw power and noise my type of car and I too love older edgey cars! Fantastic great video felt like I was driving!, Loved it!
4:45 If it needs a 'loud exhaust' to 'give character' then it ain't got none
Agreed!
What a beast that 205 is!! Definitely something I'd like to have a go in!!
The Dimma garage was just up the road from where I lived and I used to pass it every day to work, the 205 GTi Dimma was my dream car as a 17yr old (in a Metro), it was and still is an amazing looking car (more so with the full interior leather trim); there was also the odd Renault 5 GT Turbo & Fiat UNO Turbo with a full Dimma body kit but it was the 205 GTi that looked best.
Google 205 Dimma if you don’t know them from the late 80’s / 90’s.....
Skip browns is about 5 miles from me here in Cheshire , got lots of great advice from them , think they're still going...
ian1patterson - Dimma Designs we’re in Delamere, so again not far from you. Is Skip Browns near where A49 Motors used to be, my old bought a car from there and they had a nice 928 which I wished I could afford...the joys of the 80’s....lol
That 205 looked totally intense, your concentration and enjoyment was plain to see. The 208 although had the power and pop was no match, unless you needed to use it as a everyday car also. I imagine the 205 would have wasted most cars on a track day. Made me smile, thanks.
Thanks for watching buddy!
Such giddy joy! Fun to watch.
Man that 205 drive looked fun!! Old school all the way for me!, what I'd do for a 309 gti! The only modern(ish) car I enjoy is an r53 supercharged cooper s. I've a 2006 jcw and to me it feels involved, it excites and drives likes a 90s car.
Excellent 205 😊,but let's not forget about the 309gti (my all time favourite) 😃
I had one !! White and lowered and a pussy magnet..........sorry.
@ian1patterson
R u from Cheltenham...
I've owned two cooking model 208s, if you can't heel+toe in them, it's you not the car. Enjoying your videos so far 👍
Beauty of a 205 that!, It's getting late but i now fancy pulling my 1.9 out the garage for a hoon 😏🤣
Last time I went shopping for a personal, fun car was in 2006. I had a MK2 GTI at the time, which I owned for 17 years, and was finally in the position to spend a good sum on a serious car. Drove a lot of cars. Some were pretty good. Still, few had the steering feel and feedback of my GTI. This is an important property for me, as I like to know when the car is just about to understeer, as an example, before it begins to lose grip and found that few cars at that time could duplicate the GTI's feedback.
Ended up with an Evolution IX, which I still own and have no plans to sell. I am not surprised in the least that the 205 is a better car to drive, especially given its tuning. This is why I'm keeping the Evo for what's left of my life. It has the excitement and fun of older cars with the addition of AWD and power to spare. It's raw, direct and immediate. This being said, it doesn't seem like this 205 lacks power. I can only imagine what it's like to drive at 800kg.
Great video. I'm currently modifying a 205. Started out as a base model, it is now 90% aesthetically a GTi. And I'm stockpiling all the mechanical stuff. It's having a 2.2l 16v 407 engine. 170bhp but plenty of torque from the longer stroke.
What about legal stuff? In Denmark where I am from they are pretty strict. For example you have to document that it does not pollute more and you have to document that the car can handle the power.
When deciding what car to select also safety should be taken into account. The Peugeot 308 has airbags etc, while the standard Peugeot 205 doesn't.
Easy. Just dont crash.......
Safety is the entire problem with modern cars next to emission.
I can't stand shifting in a drive by wire car. the ref hang.... good luck downshifting with that bs.
I miss those old 800 - 1000 kilo (~1800 - 2200 lb) cars, if for no other reason than manual steering and brakes. I had a 1988 Honda CRX Si, only a couple of years old at the time. Wonderful little car, from which a contemporary Porsche 944 could not escape. No ABS, no traction control, no chassis electronics. And no airbags, so... there's that. But, the look on your face when driving the 205 says it all. Very, very cool car.
Now that’s a proper smile per mile hot hatch Jack 💪🏻💪🏻🔥🔥
Hi Jack great video the smile on your face in the 205 said it all.poor pepe is going to feel inadequate now. When are manufactures going to wake up and listen to what people really want and not listen to the marketing wank department..all that bloated stuff they stick in the cars makes em not drivers vehicles any more. real steering wheels with real gears real brakes throw all the mamby pamby electronics out.its not needed but the marketing hype crap convinces you that you do.
I had a BX 16valve , 18000 miles at 9 years old ! 160 bhp 7000 red line and went like a bat out of hell, kept it 6 years , raced it on auto grass racing and eventually sold the engine at 57000 for implanting into a guys 205 Was beyond belief how well it went and few cars on 🏴 twisty roads could life with it . Once went 14 miles flat out with a Xjr8 behind and guy stopped me eventually in disbelief as he couldn’t get near it 👌
What a great video and great car (205). Crazy little car, widow maker!!
Quelle voiture de dingue 😜 ! J’adore ce son d’admission. Trop sympa de t’entendre te taire quand tu dépasses 6000 rpm.
Bref un moteur rageur dans une petite caisse légère et hop, on a le sourire 😅 et aussi des suées. Je connais bien pour en avoir une !
Serait-il possible de connaître la réf de l’arbre à cames installé svp 🙏?
Merci en tous les cas pour cette superbe vidéo! Ça serait sympa un essai piste avec chronomètre !! 🧐
Smiles per gallon your face says it all!!! 205 everyday of the week!!! 🚒👍
An object lesson in ‘less is more’ . The 205 was way ahead of its time styling wise and makes that 208 look ugly bloated and over engineered. The 205 is analogue fun all the way and is clearly completely savage with those mods. You were clearly loving it Jack and I felt like I was copiloting it watching the video. I feel nostalgic for our 205 GTI we had in the 90s
Loved this video.
Thank you!!
I have a 205 gti, fully original except for the engine, had it rebuilt using all original Peugeot parts. Only drive it to car events or the odd bash around the back roads of Donegal during the summer.
Use it more!! Thanks for watching!
You have to love ITBs! Mine as you know has 194bhp, its fun. Save yourself 4K and fit the engine yourself, it will run on the 1.9 box and lock isn’t compromised. 😀
So glad you are not in your pj's! BTW as an Irishman I find it funny that all your French shot include some green :)
That 205 is amazing. Unreal even
I’m loving the 205, everything about that car makes it great for country roads. It wouldn’t be fun driving it on dual carriageways.
You certainly seemed to enjoy the 205 more!
Totally!!
This is a proper Top Gear presenter coverage of hot hatch cars 🚗......give this man a job on TV CAR show, he beats a lot engaged by tv channels just now, Tiff Needell and Vicki BH excepted.
That’s really very kind of you to say, thank you 🙏!
I wouldn't`t last 5 minutes with the exhaust in the 208.
To be honest it's quieter than exhaust in my 205 :p
@@fila1445 You guys have exhausts?
Me ‘n’ all. It would drive me nuts.
Me too
I'm really thinking getting the standard engine conversion for my 205! :)
awesome video they can keep the 208 205 all the way notice your face when u step into the 205 instant smiles that says it all
Thanks for watching Chad!
Chas!! Spell correct !!
You say wow a lot in Paul's car 😉
That 205 is a stunner.
A mate had a 205 1.9gti back in the day, and that was fast enough... that thing looks vicious LOL
Proper pug 👌
The 205 GTI now should be kept in standard form for future value (if its standard to start with), already modified then help yourself.
But the 205 has a lot to answer for, tbh the 309 GTI is better but people modified the 205's, first with Mi16 engines, this now leaves us without some fantastic Peugeots due to this (405 Mi16's and 306 S16's and now the 306 GTi-6's), as these are more than rare due to the transplants.
With the 208GTi, atleast there are plenty of cars with the EP6, you can pick a 70k miler up for less than 6k, which is a bit of a bargain tbh, but most modern Peugeot's lack some feel in the steering due to them moving towards electronic systems, not many companies have it down to a tee when it comes to steering feel because of this.
Still, that 205 looks a bit of a beast, think it would tire you out quite quickly on any lengthy journey though :(
Yes it definitely would!
Wow what a 205 cool vid
You can't really argue that modern cars are numb because of all the electronics and so called "driver aids". 300 Kilos extra weight doesn't help either even with the extra power. Every Kilo affects how a car handles corners and bumps. The "smiles per mile" ratio was very obviously way higher in the 205. Thanks, Great fun.
That 205 is perfect 👌
Could you put a hybrid four wheel drive system in it, say out of the old 405 ?
That 205 looks like immense fun to drive. The smile on your face said it all. Out of interest, to compare what was the Bhp per tonne for the 208?
The standard 208 is 1,160kg so at 297bhp it'll 256bhp per ton.
I want a 205 now!
The modified 208 is a nice powerful Car! The 205... not as powerful but it must be a blast to drive. Cheers Mate!
that lil 205 is like LE PEPPERAMI its a bit of an animal 😆👍
Old school hatch will always be more regardless of power but to live with a modern hatch is in a different league
Snap, crackle and pop - I'd take the 205 every time!!!
If that white 205 had its orange indicators back on it would be complete.👌
I need one now 😜
Another FAB video on a subject close to our hearts (folks of a certain age perhaps) A friend of mine back in the day worked for Peugeot and had both versions of the 205 GTI. We had a lot of fun ! From a personal point of view would you ever be interested in making a video about the Mk1 Mr2 ? I own a Mk1 Mr2 b which I've had since 1988. There are lots of conversions / upgrades .........would love to see your thoughts ! ;)
after peugeot disels for 30+ years i now own a vw gold gt tdi 16v,,it is well fast enough...but these days with speed traps,the best car we could all buy is the 208 1.6 blue D ..141mpg world record..keep legal
What are the wheels on the 205 and the setup please !!!
Super!
205 still looks amazing...
205 again and again.
I agree
9:36 thats a nice r1
Hi Sig 27 ...I had a touring car engine spec 306 gti6 which was rather nice, economical too (tuner removed a 5" ashtray's worth of material from head during flowing work! - would loved to have the modded stroked engine u are driving here on itbs :) - mine was 210 bhp and a lot more torquey than std - would pull from idle in 6th where the std Gti 6 would struggle with third! - whilst they felt exciting through corners - my V6 Omega would go faster through same hi speed curves whilst i was fiddling with the stereo! - the 6 would buck and threaten the other carriageway at same speed... - Reason for buying the 6? - Induction sound, even as standard + diff put the power down - you could navigate med roundabouts just on the throttle, no steering :) - lift off on entry, then balance throttle, lift off on exit and re-apply :)
There was only one hot hatchback to topple the golf gti in the 80’s and that was the 1900 gti I had 2 they were awesome 😎
So i had a 1.4 205 which was quite fun, sadly not much GTI's left here. After some takin care of I managed to pull against a 2 liter mazda 3, quite an achievement :) Now I have the 208 GTi and its quite an experience. I wish I could drive a 205 GTI but...What can I do.
The 208 is a great car. Took me a month to get used to it, but its a beast, fast car
"Why this Modified classic beats it’s new sibling!"
- its, not it's
i totaly agree with what your saying im a vauxall man and for example if you put a astra h shape 1.8vvt sri 140 bhp against a mk2 astra sri 1.8 115 bhp the old car would destroy the newer heavier car with everything in it you dont need
Man, that little 205 really screams. That car could get you into a lot of trouble really fast.
So if the old one was standard it wouldn't beat it?
Do it you know you want to 😎
Love 205gti’s but for a daily I’d take the 208 any day of the week. Climate control and apple car play. No ice on the inside of windows and trying to defog it on a cold winter morning. Yes please !
You said the 208 doner car and engine would be 13k but didn't say what the 205 would be, doner and those mods?
I'll have to favour the 205, please put the full mod spec for the 205 up here be good to see.....I'm also trying to find the spec of Manual Mora (rally spec - see him on you tube....he can can unreal speed through bends). I'd like to modernise skip browns 205...maybe pug1off could advise
Great video
You can 't beat lightness and a good balance, the weight distribution in that heavily modified 205 seems not disturbed, otherwise there would be dreary understeer like on an Audi. The 205 is still a reference for hot hatches even as a standard 1.9!