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Forced labour EVs,Drones,Batteries. I heard that China is investing heavily in the space industry,So there may be forced labour Rocket parts in the near future. Guess capital really brings out the worst in people.Even a communist country can't stop that.
Precisely that, China is using the Turkic minorities (mainly the Uyghur) as a continuation of their settler colonial project in East Turkestan via forced labour!
That’s not the whole truth, not even Uyghur, me, a Han Chinese, was forced to work in China to support some American and European car makers’s technical issues… Ford, VW, Mercedes… i think all decent people who care about human rights should boycott the cars from those car makers. Free Palestine!!!
Haha, the BBC effortlessly talked about "genocide in Xinjiang" when they couldn't produce a single body but they couldn't bring themselves to call the abomination in Gaza a genocide when the majority of the world's countries already did and more than 40,000 Palestinians and more had been massacred. Your hypocrisy is obscene!
They are the one who started slavery. How many colonies are there out there? Beside. Is 2025 soon.. they still make up stories.. I bet they don’t even know where Xinjing is!
That's why everything is soo cheap, as China being Communist still has access to cheap slave labour😮They do not comply with any human rights either, unlike the UK that is Ruled by people's human rights, hence the trouble we are now experiencing by losing all our manufacturing etc😮
@@Angela-cc1hd as USA being capitalist still has access to cheap slave labour done by convicted people, mostly black and Latinos.😮They do not comply with any human rights either, unlike China that is Ruled by people's human rights, hence why Chinese love to work, because, unlike the US, they get paid for what the do, etc😮
Supermarkets in many European countries once stopped selling coconut milks from Thailand because PETA said Thailand uses Monkey's force labour... European companies are exploiting cheap labour in the developing countries on a daily basis, I hope BBC do something more about it.
Look less to the BBC and to your own government. The BBC is reporting the information, how your own country deals with the information is between you and your elected officials.
I see big trucks and machineries operating on the fields in this clip. If you use forced labor, you won’t invest on the expensive big machines. Obviously this is a shady anti Chinese propaganda. The objective is to destroy Xi Jiang economy. If you really care about the Xinjiang people, you should not discriminate Xinjiang people and deny their work.
Yeah, little details like the use of forced labour in agricultural supply chains should never be political. It’s not like people living 160 years ago would have ever made a big fuss about how cotton was harvested. Oh, wait…
Many of the images in the video, I have seen many times in Western media reports, some even more than a decade ago. If you really want people to believe your propaganda, I suggest you use time-sensitive video footage and then use a gray filter to render the tragic environment.🙂
There is how you do political documentaries. Recycle old footages, reinterview the same actors over and over telling you the same old stories here and there. Use "could" "might have been" "allegedly" to claim something without solid proofs. Use some footages out of context and improvise. Pick a industry from a country, smear it with all these BS claims and call for boycott. Journalism has die indeed...
@ I think I did my fair share of research. Multiple BBC, CNN, NYT articles and documentary on the same topics. HRC reports and researches. Dude just buy a ticket and travel to Xinjiang and see how locals think about it, it’s not even a restricted area that bar ppl from visiting. Force labor is a huge allegation, don’t you think it’s fishing that they just apply that concept to any industry they can think of in Xinjiang region? What do you think ppl make their living off of there? Praying? These articles don’t target specific companies or factories, they just put blanket statements on the entire region don’t you think it’s evil to sabotage ppl’s livelihood there in the name of saving them? Just a bunch of nonsense BS. Be smarter when you read the news! If there is force labor involved, tell me what factories, and show me the proof, then we could go from there! Vast majority of Uyghur population do not deserve to be collectively punished for these!
@@teesyinnyang101 btw if you really follow the foreign news, you should have known unemployment is a huge issue across China at this moment. Ppl would do anything to make living, I seriously doubt anyone needs to be forced to do labors under this environment.
@@kiwicai9101 They did tell you what factories and what companies. It would be impossible to get irrefutable proof in China by an outsider. Look at Chinese and other nations' histories and tell me what is alleged here is new. I believe it without a doubt.
@ I lived in China for more than 15 years. And no they never really named the company and factory that use forced labor, they only point out there are shell companies that source products from Xinjiang to avoid the sanctions. Do you know it’s very common to have dormitories inside factories in China? The residential areas are very spread out in North West part of China and the transportations are not convenient for those who don’t have cars ( unlike in the west, factory workers don’t normally spend money on cars). Many factories would have dormitories for the workers to save workers’ time and money on commute. The moment BBC shows the satellite images showing dormitories inside factories makes my eyes roll. The most obvious manipulation in this specific documentary is around 40:00 minute mark. The translation of the county official document is very misleading and out of context, ppl who could read Chinese would tell you the document shown in the footage is meant to tell the local authorities to put up effort to help ppl who are unemployed to get a job and make living! “for those who don’t perform well should be criticized and punished” is completely out of context. “Being educated, criticized, reworded or punished” in a work setting often means performance evaluation, career consulting, getting promoted with more bonuses or being demoted and make less. I was flabbergasted when I saw the highlighted sentence being misinterpreted! Again, Xinjiang is not a restricted region, on the contrary it’s a popular tourist spot, once you see the place yourself you might have hard time believing what MSM have been saying about this region.
As a consumer, we can help to stop the forced labor happened in the other parts of the world. Stop using certain products or from certain manufacturers. Grow tomatoes or other vegetables at your back yard or balcony. It is fun. There is a villain missed mentioned in this documentary. It is the CEO of those companies. They are only care about the profit and investors’s expectation. It is not their problems if the ingredients are purchased from a seller using child or forced labors. I encourage you to support local farmers.
how many forced labors all over the world were there back in the colonial periods of hundres of years by the Brits? Most colored Brits and Americans today are desendents of them and they deserve a serious appology and compensation for mistreating their ancesters!
Great that you are exposing this but can you do the same about the US using unpaid prison labour and the immigrant children dying to make your products?
In Brazil we have people being slaves too and Roberto Cabrini and other journalists talked about this many times, but the authorities pretend they are blind and do nothing.
If you cannot verify the statements made by these activists, you must explicitly point this out in the video. Otherwise, you risk misleading the audience and potentially causing harm to many innocent people. Your report could lead to the breaking up of thousands of families. That is serious!!
Good work BBC! The world needs to know where products we consume come from and how they’re made. I get “organic” tomato sauce from Italy. Now I’m concerned and will look for alternatives. I don’t want to support slave labor.
Carry on. Trust me. Western countries will fall faster in all these saint banner. The citizens are in poverty and you so concern about the chinese? Get a life and look at your future generations.
Those videos clips aren’t recent enough. This is not a strong proof. Send someone to Xinjiang to the factories 🏭 and get more evidences please! Wasted an hour watching this
I'm guessing you missed the whole section where they explained how journalists can't report from the region and local people trying to gather evidence of it get jailed... it's a police state
@@sallysmith8848 journalist can't report? But We can see this propaganda video. So basically they just assuming and using their imagination when reporting the news.
@@sallysmith8848 The reporter secretly filmed but did not dare to openly apply to film the factory, just to deliberately cover up the facts. I have never heard from my friends in Xinjiang that there is forced labor. Come to Xinjiang and see for yourself.
@@sallysmith8848 That's just a BBC lie, many people visit Xinjiang and the situation is well documented by small, independent media (i.e there is no forced labour, even the BBC have dialled down their accusations of genocide)
Это принужденный - бесплатный труд уйгуров.. там не все простые люди... там ученые, интеллигенция, подростки, жннщины, старики... они как рабы -- точно рабы...😢
Like China's refusal to recognize the determination by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea on the South China Sea, China refuses to recognize the UN OHCHR Assessment of human rights violations in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region.
this documentary depicts the forced labor in china that is being controlled by military whose responsibility is to protect and safeguard it's citizen it is like private military is given permission to control part of the country.
I dunno, last time I checked Sinn Fein supporters weren’t being sent to forced labour camps in 2024. The British government did some bad things during the Troubles, but you’ll find no shortage of people who can and do talk about it and demand remediation, without any fear of government censorship. Your attempt at whataboutism is weak as hell.
Do you want to review the time when your country took the place of other countries ,destroyed or plundered their wealth or use the black labours to grow UK'economy?😅
First, How come they can catch ppl only bc they have books? 😂And don’t even mention the beatings for hours, that’s not ‘Twelve years as a slave’ . They live with advanced techniques like automatic harvester, and other governments supports. So where did the footages come from?👀
Instead of focusing on the citizens. Wasting taxe on all these rubbish topics Why so concern whether they are forced labour? This is why western failed. Still dont get it?
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@@nicholasmendoza5844 Poor guy, you still don't know what automation is. That's why your country is declining! We didn't use wumao long ago. We use WeChat.
t’s a bit funny. A media outlet didn’t conduct an investigation in person and made a conclusion based on just finding a random person to lie. You can’t even come up with any photos showing anyone being forced into labor.😅
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At first, it was cotton.
Now it's tomatoes.
What's next, forced labour solar panels??
Yes, indeed. Solar panel debate was out last year. 80% of solar panels produced inside China involved in Uyghur Forced Labour.
Forced labour EVs,Drones,Batteries.
I heard that China is investing heavily in the space industry,So there may be forced labour Rocket parts in the near future.
Guess capital really brings out the worst in people.Even a communist country can't stop that.
Precisely that, China is using the Turkic minorities (mainly the Uyghur) as a continuation of their settler colonial project in East Turkestan via forced labour!
Also don't forget forced labour XJ barbecue .
Every Chinese city I visited had a large number of people from Xinjiang running barbecue restaurants.
@@chuckliran
😂😂😂😂
That’s not the whole truth, not even Uyghur, me, a Han Chinese, was forced to work in China to support some American and European car makers’s technical issues… Ford, VW, Mercedes… i think all decent people who care about human rights should boycott the cars from those car makers. Free Palestine!!!
Haha, the BBC effortlessly talked about "genocide in Xinjiang" when they couldn't produce a single body but they couldn't bring
themselves to call the abomination in Gaza a genocide when the majority of the world's countries already did and more than 40,000 Palestinians and more had been massacred.
Your hypocrisy is obscene!
I don’t really know British care so much about Muslim… the Palestinian may not understand as well…
Why is UK's economy collapsing after they can't access cheap slave labour in Africa and India anymore?
They are the one who started slavery. How many colonies are there out there? Beside. Is 2025 soon.. they still make up stories.. I bet they don’t even know where Xinjing is!
That's why everything is soo cheap, as China being Communist still has access to cheap slave labour😮They do not comply with any human rights either, unlike the UK that is Ruled by people's human rights, hence the trouble we are now experiencing by losing all our manufacturing etc😮
@@Angela-cc1hd as USA being capitalist still has access to cheap slave labour done by convicted people, mostly black and Latinos.😮They do not comply with any human rights either, unlike China that is Ruled by people's human rights, hence why Chinese love to work, because, unlike the US, they get paid for what the do, etc😮
as a Chinese , I feel offended from the background music and the video,full of bias,go to China and see with your own eyes
The same people apeals in force labour for cotton, TOMATO, EV and solar panel.
Britindstan is jealous of Xinjiang cotton, tomatoes, solar energy, tourism, culture and religion.
They are trying to undermine the best from Xinjiang.
Supermarkets in many European countries once stopped selling coconut milks from Thailand because PETA said Thailand uses Monkey's force labour...
European companies are exploiting cheap labour in the developing countries on a daily basis, I hope BBC do something more about it.
Look less to the BBC and to your own government. The BBC is reporting the information, how your own country deals with the information is between you and your elected officials.
I see big trucks and machineries operating on the fields in this clip. If you use forced labor, you won’t invest on the expensive big machines. Obviously this is a shady anti Chinese propaganda. The objective is to destroy Xi Jiang economy. If you really care about the Xinjiang people, you should not discriminate Xinjiang people and deny their work.
Yes, just now, China forced Xinjiang's labor slaves to envelop its biggest desert Takelamagan by planting trees through over 40 years.🤩🤩😍
You’ve been spreading rumors about labor in Xinjiang. What’s your goal?
When agricultural produces are artificially made political, this world is going crazy beyond imagination. Pathetic!
Yeah, little details like the use of forced labour in agricultural supply chains should never be political. It’s not like people living 160 years ago would have ever made a big fuss about how cotton was harvested. Oh, wait…
Many of the images in the video, I have seen many times in Western media reports, some even more than a decade ago. If you really want people to believe your propaganda, I suggest you use time-sensitive video footage and then use a gray filter to render the tragic environment.🙂
Our prisons for profits use forced labor too.
Troll account from China?
@@colintclai nope, better get informed ; google it and watch videos on you tube
@@colintclai 中国有很多网评论员，这都是真的😢
@@autumnalcell6689 I believe you. Very sad that such abuses still could happen in the 21 century.
BBC 的监制们 记者们 你们能不能当个人？？ 不要再迫害新疆人民了可以吗？？
Why not test the oil Europe is using?
Most likely originated from Russia.
Please watch until the end. Even the supermarkets are discrediting the BBC's findings.
Of course they are! What would you expect them to say?
There is how you do political documentaries. Recycle old footages, reinterview the same actors over and over telling you the same old stories here and there. Use "could" "might have been" "allegedly" to claim something without solid proofs. Use some footages out of context and improvise. Pick a industry from a country, smear it with all these BS claims and call for boycott. Journalism has die indeed...
No it has not you just have not seen and did your own research. These focuses are for us to do our own research periodt.
@ I think I did my fair share of research. Multiple BBC, CNN, NYT articles and documentary on the same topics. HRC reports and researches. Dude just buy a ticket and travel to Xinjiang and see how locals think about it, it’s not even a restricted area that bar ppl from visiting. Force labor is a huge allegation, don’t you think it’s fishing that they just apply that concept to any industry they can think of in Xinjiang region? What do you think ppl make their living off of there? Praying? These articles don’t target specific companies or factories, they just put blanket statements on the entire region don’t you think it’s evil to sabotage ppl’s livelihood there in the name of saving them? Just a bunch of nonsense BS. Be smarter when you read the news! If there is force labor involved, tell me what factories, and show me the proof, then we could go from there! Vast majority of Uyghur population do not deserve to be collectively punished for these!
@@teesyinnyang101 btw if you really follow the foreign news, you should have known unemployment is a huge issue across China at this moment. Ppl would do anything to make living, I seriously doubt anyone needs to be forced to do labors under this environment.
@@kiwicai9101 They did tell you what factories and what companies. It would be impossible to get irrefutable proof in China by an outsider. Look at Chinese and other nations' histories and tell me what is alleged here is new. I believe it without a doubt.
@ I lived in China for more than 15 years. And no they never really named the company and factory that use forced labor, they only point out there are shell companies that source products from Xinjiang to avoid the sanctions. Do you know it’s very common to have dormitories inside factories in China? The residential areas are very spread out in North West part of China and the transportations are not convenient for those who don’t have cars ( unlike in the west, factory workers don’t normally spend money on cars). Many factories would have dormitories for the workers to save workers’ time and money on commute. The moment BBC shows the satellite images showing dormitories inside factories makes my eyes roll. The most obvious manipulation in this specific documentary is around 40:00 minute mark. The translation of the county official document is very misleading and out of context, ppl who could read Chinese would tell you the document shown in the footage is meant to tell the local authorities to put up effort to help ppl who are unemployed to get a job and make living! “for those who don’t perform well should be criticized and punished” is completely out of context. “Being educated, criticized, reworded or punished” in a work setting often means performance evaluation, career consulting, getting promoted with more bonuses or being demoted and make less. I was flabbergasted when I saw the highlighted sentence being misinterpreted! Again, Xinjiang is not a restricted region, on the contrary it’s a popular tourist spot, once you see the place yourself you might have hard time believing what MSM have been saying about this region.
What did they do wrong? We must prohibit them from working hard to get money
As a consumer, we can help to stop the forced labor happened in the other parts of the world. Stop using certain products or from certain manufacturers. Grow tomatoes or other vegetables at your back yard or balcony. It is fun. There is a villain missed mentioned in this documentary. It is the CEO of those companies. They are only care about the profit and investors’s expectation. It is not their problems if the ingredients are purchased from a seller using child or forced labors. I encourage you to support local farmers.
Stop forced killing of Palestinians first
Yeah, I'm stopping using any products made in the UK reight now. Because anything made in UK comes from forced slave labour.
First stop all UK made..
@@MarYo88888Yes, if we had kept growing all our own produce, we would not be in the mess we are in now😮
Most products made in China are subject to opaque production processes. We should boycott them.
What about nestle .They never documented about their force labour in Africa
how many forced labors all over the world were there back in the colonial periods of hundres of years by the Brits? Most colored Brits and Americans today are desendents of them and they deserve a serious appology and compensation for mistreating their ancesters!
Can I make the same statement most products made by UK are subject to opaque production process in the ABSENT of Evidence???
If you find processed foods cheaper than on season raw foods, you should be doubting something
Great that you are exposing this but can you do the same about the US using unpaid prison labour and the immigrant children dying to make your products?
In Brazil we have people being slaves too and Roberto Cabrini and other journalists talked about this many times, but the authorities pretend they are blind and do nothing.
Boycott Chinese tomatoes, but carry on buying from Wish, Banggood, Temu, Ali Express etcetera all of which support the PRC regime one way or another.
You should boycott faked news by the BBC, Britindstan Blasphemy Chinese.
If you cannot verify the statements made by these activists, you must explicitly point this out in the video. Otherwise, you risk misleading the audience and potentially causing harm to many innocent people. Your report could lead to the breaking up of thousands of families. That is serious!!
Good work BBC! The world needs to know where products we consume come from and how they’re made. I get “organic” tomato sauce from Italy. Now I’m concerned and will look for alternatives. I don’t want to support slave labor.
How can we trust BBC anymore?! Totally lies. But unfortunately there are people still believe it.
How can we trust BBC anymore?! Totally lies. But unfortunately there are some people still believe it.
Carry on.
Trust me. Western countries will fall faster in all these saint banner.
The citizens are in poverty and you so concern about the chinese?
Get a life and look at your future generations.
If you can’t play fair write comic books about them.
as it turns out, "great Britain" is the only "state" produces no tomatoes.
thus making it the foremost expert in commenting on tomatoes production.
Those videos clips aren’t recent enough. This is not a strong proof. Send someone to Xinjiang to the factories 🏭 and get more evidences please! Wasted an hour watching this
I'm guessing you missed the whole section where they explained how journalists can't report from the region and local people trying to gather evidence of it get jailed... it's a police state
@@sallysmith8848 journalist can't report? But We can see this propaganda video. So basically they just assuming and using their imagination when reporting the news.
@@sallysmith8848 The reporter secretly filmed but did not dare to openly apply to film the factory, just to deliberately cover up the facts. I have never heard from my friends in Xinjiang that there is forced labor. Come to Xinjiang and see for yourself.
@@sallysmith8848 That's just a BBC lie, many people visit Xinjiang and the situation is well documented by small, independent media (i.e there is no forced labour, even the BBC have dialled down their accusations of genocide)
For some unknown reason, this propaganda piece did not get picked up by US mainstream media.
Same thing have being going on in Italy and Portugals, Holland for decades now.
我不买番茄，新疆人民就要饿肚子啦
Everyone watching on aghast on their devices made in sweat shops ??? 😂
I bet u all the bbc offices are fitted with apple products 😂
Это принужденный - бесплатный труд уйгуров.. там не все простые люди... там ученые, интеллигенция, подростки, жннщины, старики... они как рабы -- точно рабы...😢
It's an eye-opening
Complete BS I’d say.
Not sure how it's so controversial that forced labour is bad...
Well forced labour is what makes all the cheap products that all the West and the UK buy?
Damn. The depth of reporting on this is absolutely remarkable.
The depth into toilet is really remarkable
i don’t think the screenwriters of this feature film have ever been to Xinjiang at all.but there are many vlogs about Xinjiang online 😮
Dünyada insanların özgür yaşama hakkı var
Is Xinjiang in the UK?
xinjiang is a part of UK！
Being a Britindstan or a Londonistan, BBC has profound feelings for Muslims in Xinjiang but hates Muslims in other part of the world.
@gatebill9654 thank you for the clarification
Like China's refusal to recognize the determination by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea on the South China Sea, China refuses to recognize the UN OHCHR Assessment of human rights violations in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region.
only people slaved human now accusing others... irony nuts
There is no slave in Xingjiang.I hope you could introduce something real there.
this documentary depicts the forced labor in china that is being controlled by military whose responsibility is to protect and safeguard it's citizen it is like private military is given permission to control part of the country.
Gosh ! I’m a big fans of 🍅 as a consumer pls Stop 🛑! Awful this force labor
If you do separate movement in Northern Ireland, what would you expect from the British?
I dunno, last time I checked Sinn Fein supporters weren’t being sent to forced labour camps in 2024. The British government did some bad things during the Troubles, but you’ll find no shortage of people who can and do talk about it and demand remediation, without any fear of government censorship. Your attempt at whataboutism is weak as hell.
😂😂😂BBC stand for "Best Bullshit Chanel"😂😂😂.
Come on BBC. get a life
Do you want to review the time when your country took the place of other countries ,destroyed or plundered their wealth or use the black labours to grow UK'economy?😅
BBC forced journalists 😂😂
woah, lake laogai is real
Yep. Look up the human organ harvesting in china as well
Western media need to criticize their own faults first.
Opium Wars , forced Trading !!!!!
That’s exactly what they’re doing here. Look at all the accusations against European companies.
First, How come they can catch ppl only bc they have books? 😂And don’t even mention the beatings for hours, that’s not ‘Twelve years as a slave’ . They live with advanced techniques like automatic harvester, and other governments supports. So where did the footages come from?👀
I had no idea about this! Terrible revelations. I’ll not be buying these products anymore!
你是 BBC 的帮凶 BBC 的谎言已经让新疆人民失去了棉花收入现在轮到番茄 因为有你这种无知且愚蠢的人 BBC 才能够一次又一次的说谎
放心吧，优质的番茄到不了你们国家
Come on BBC, many of the footsges in this video have already been debunked as false or misinterpreted including that Adrian Zenz.
Lie after lie… forced labor
?
Lets look at what is going on in Palestine 🇵🇸…
Hypocrisy at its highest level.
Instead of focusing on the citizens.
Wasting taxe on all these rubbish topics
Why so concern whether they are forced labour?
This is why western failed.
Still dont get it?
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This is awful and sadly capatilistic
BBC hahaha! Shameless bbc.
😢😢😢
China need to learn from israel how they treat the Palestine
Propaganda at it best
Waiting for wumaos to comment
as bbc usual, fake news, bot!
@Lee-Van-Cle ey look a wumao, how do you make a living with 50 cents?🤮🤡
@@nicholasmendoza5844 Poor guy, you still don't know what automation is. That's why your country is declining!
We didn't use wumao long ago. We use WeChat.
@@nicholasmendoza5844Poor guy, still don't know what automation is.
We didn't use wumao long ago. We use Wechat. Don't you have that?
@@nicholasmendoza5844 Daren't you challenge the genocide in Gaza? Or the righteous courage is limited to challenge wumao? how low!
I work in an office in the UK, and after seeing the BBC evidence I now realise that I too am the victim of forced labour 😢
Bullshit! 😂😂😂
I am amazed, people believe BBC AND CNN, FOX MEDIA .
they r not real one, most of them are CIA bots
Here we go again😂
t’s a bit funny. A media outlet didn’t conduct an investigation in person and made a conclusion based on just finding a random person to lie. You can’t even come up with any photos showing anyone being forced into labor.😅
Fake news
Stop buying it
Almost 2025 and slavary still exists...
Almost 2025 and brainwashed idiots still exists...
Kkkkkkkkk yeah, sure.
BBC, lier
❤❤
谢谢bbc❤为中国人权发言
Propaganda at it best
Propaganda at it best