Was waiting for this, thank you! Seems like Alfa performed very well. As an owner of Crosswagon Q4, in the last two years Q4 has performed great in all conditions on the road. Great stability, distribution of power and cornering. I'm curious to find some animations/cross section of Torsen T3 used in Q4. Any idea where to find them? Cheers!
What exactly would you like to know about Torsen C? If you need the principle of torsen operation then here it is: ruclips.net/video/UlnGG4frZ68/видео.html
Torsen C is a Torque biasing torque split differential. That toque split feature makes that in normal conditions it sends 57% to the rear and 43% to the front wheels still with Torsen locking capability (to shift more torque to the front or rear).
5:25 Did the Alfa really pass this test? Look at the left front tire. It contacts the red frame of the roller and is gaining traction on that. I saw this kind of thing happening on some other videos aswell. Also sometimes in the videos the cars wiggles forwards and backwards and is just lucky to "fall" over the rollers. Is that really a pass?
It is a pass cause tyre cannot contact the frame. It may slide over the frame but ain't touching it, still slipping on rollers: ruclips.net/video/r3sXIfynGls/видео.html When it comes to wiggling - that's what some systems do so we have no influence on that.
Is it possible that the condition of the cars is not the same, so the drivetrain may be a little more worn in the Audi, and all the worn parts in the Alfa have been newly renovated?
There aren't really any wear items on these quattros. Either they work correctly or they fail catastrophically, most likely due to too little oil in the gearbox/diff or different sized tires from front to back. There is no clutch, no LSD or similar.
Ło kurwa znaleźli 156 q4 co jeździ XD co prawda dymi ja 30 letni ford transit ale jeździ. Bardziej mnie mnie to dziwi niż test, w sumie to alfa ma mniej mocy i manual, audi ma automat. Trzeba by porównać coś bardziej zbliżonego, nawet jakieś 80b3 z 2.0 w quattro. Bo wiadomo ze manual zawsze se lepiej poradzi
@@tinker1148 But there's no momentum, car is stopped. Maybe once it was slightly bouncing back and forward but it was already in the roller, that didn't make the difference in result.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I disagree. You can clearly see the wheels are not settled between the rollers. The driver should have let the car settle before starting. The Audi didn’t have this issue.
@@jackmartini8754 If you mean only the cars from that era and that class then there's not much competitors, there was only a few cars of that type on the market.
El sistema q4 del 156 es simplemente excelente, el mejor de su categoría.
żałuję, że nie widziałem tej alfy na żywo, a tak pędziłem na jej spotkanie :)
Brakło kilkunastu minut, widziałeś natomiast pozostałe testy, więc już wiesz, co się będzie działo na kanale przez kilka tygodni 🙂
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers i nie omieszkam lajkowac :)
Mucho más afinado el Q4 del 156 que el del 159 siendo idéntica configuración mecánica.
Quadro is always served as more of a system, but in this comparison the Q4 did a much better job.
Старые машины это всегда интересно🎉Лайк тебе.
The 156 Q4 has one of the best AWD system in its class... Better than the Audi, FACT
It's not awd system test. It's traction control system test.
@@dmitrypopov2614😅 make a traction control system for a two-wheel drive that will drive off the rollers, standing as the drive axle on them
It is actually Audi system :)
@@StrayedIdea It's not.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers It`s torsen T3
Was waiting for this, thank you! Seems like Alfa performed very well. As an owner of Crosswagon Q4, in the last two years Q4 has performed great in all conditions on the road. Great stability, distribution of power and cornering. I'm curious to find some animations/cross section of Torsen T3 used in Q4. Any idea where to find them? Cheers!
What exactly would you like to know about Torsen C? If you need the principle of torsen operation then here it is: ruclips.net/video/UlnGG4frZ68/видео.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers thanks for the answer. The link shows T1 type, if I'm not wrong. Can't find T3 animation.
@@ПетарНиколић-д3х The principle of operation (torque splitting) is the same. The difference is that T3 is not symmetrical.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers all right, thanks for the explanation! Cheers!
Torsen C is a Torque biasing torque split differential. That toque split feature makes that in normal conditions it sends 57% to the rear and 43% to the front wheels still with Torsen locking capability (to shift more torque to the front or rear).
It's just me, but there's quite a difference in the way traction control works between the 156 and the 159.
Big difference. 159 didn't use any front/rear brake intervention, only left/right. And it wasn't that aggressive.
Alfa much better, and wheels too))
156 amazing
What is the conclusion of this test?
Both systems perform almost the same.
Zawsze się zastanawiałem jaki opór stawiają te rolki. Czy większy jest na rolkach czy np na lodzie.
Wkrótce postaramy się to wyjaśnić 🙂
Jakie mody poczynione w Alfie bo ładnie gada i chyba zawór upustowy słucha
Pozdro
Obawiam się, że mod został wykonany przez nadgryzający ząb czasu...
quite a big difference how Q4 behaves on 156 and Stelvio
It is a complete different system: 156 Q4 has permanent 4wd. Stelvio has rear wheel drive with a clutch delivering torque to the front wheels.
Alfa the best😊
Zrobicie test Subaru Imprezy GH (hatchback) 2.0?
Jeśli tylko znajdzie się ochotnik...
I could be wrong but as I remember from Crosswagon and Allroad history bouth models have the same torsen C system
Allroad has torsen B.
To teraz porównanie torsen z silnikiem w poprzek w Alfie z jakimś haldexem
Pomyślimy :)
5:25 Did the Alfa really pass this test? Look at the left front tire. It contacts the red frame of the roller and is gaining traction on that. I saw this kind of thing happening on some other videos aswell. Also sometimes in the videos the cars wiggles forwards and backwards and is just lucky to "fall" over the rollers. Is that really a pass?
It is a pass cause tyre cannot contact the frame. It may slide over the frame but ain't touching it, still slipping on rollers: ruclips.net/video/r3sXIfynGls/видео.html
When it comes to wiggling - that's what some systems do so we have no influence on that.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks for info
Can I request a car? CUPRA Leon Sportstourer 2.0 TSI 4Drive (310) is interesting for me
If we could only find this car...
Is it possible that the condition of the cars is not the same, so the drivetrain may be a little more worn in the Audi, and all the worn parts in the Alfa have been newly renovated?
I don't think so...
There aren't really any wear items on these quattros. Either they work correctly or they fail catastrophically, most likely due to too little oil in the gearbox/diff or different sized tires from front to back. There is no clutch, no LSD or similar.
Une Audi c est juste de la merde…
Audi owner on copium
Top 156
Torsen Diff for the win!
Which one...?
156 vs 159.
Ło kurwa znaleźli 156 q4 co jeździ XD co prawda dymi ja 30 letni ford transit ale jeździ. Bardziej mnie mnie to dziwi niż test, w sumie to alfa ma mniej mocy i manual, audi ma automat. Trzeba by porównać coś bardziej zbliżonego, nawet jakieś 80b3 z 2.0 w quattro. Bo wiadomo ze manual zawsze se lepiej poradzi
Audi też manual.
oj jaki smutek silnik kłatro jednak nie taki najlepszy
Une Audi c est juste de la merde… le système quattro est mauvais, est complètement dépassé par les systèmes torsen
Ou on voit qu une Audi, c est de la merde…
🎉 *Promosm*
How good is that alfa!?
The Alfa driver wasn’t letting his wheels settle in to the rollers. Using momentum is cheating in my opinion.
When exactly do you see Alfa driver using a momentum?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers On the first 3 tests.
@@tinker1148 But there's no momentum, car is stopped. Maybe once it was slightly bouncing back and forward but it was already in the roller, that didn't make the difference in result.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I disagree. You can clearly see the wheels are not settled between the rollers. The driver should have let the car settle before starting. The Audi didn’t have this issue.
@@tinker1148 If they are not settled between the rollers then where are they? Indicate the timing cause I really can't see it.
Alfa is not stock based on the turbo sound )))
Si está stock pero hacen ese sonido por su sistema de admisión
It is stock, turbo is worn. Mine does the same.
@@Ul7r4magnus Stock turbo diesn't mean stock engine. He has intake/exhaust/tune.
@@Eugen-E no. Stock.
Ce n est pas parce que l Audi est battue qu il faut trouver une excuse, Audi c est juste de la merde
Which car beats the Crosswagon Q4 in this test?
A lot...
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers concretely
@@jackmartini8754 We have tested about two hundreds cars but we do not make rankings.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers then I don't see competitors Alfa Romeo Crosswagon Q4
@@jackmartini8754 If you mean only the cars from that era and that class then there's not much competitors, there was only a few cars of that type on the market.