that is exactly what happens now… it’s a free country. doesn’t mean people can’t have a conversation about it. i don’t think any of these women believe you should be forced into submission. of course it is a choice.
@@Jacqueline888 The whole point of these videos is each side thinking their lifestyle is the correct one across the board though, that's the point of the "vs" in the title. If everyone here thought that it's a matter of to each their own, the only content in this video would be all of them simply agreeing to disagree
It blows my mind that some people think all women have less professional stamina. We're all people. Some people are smart, some aren't. Some people can work hard, some can't. Why do they say women should just stand back? Then they abusers will roam free and exploit us because of financial power imbalance.
I think we have the same stamina but we have different priorities and an internal clock that makes up take certain decisions to be more safe with our choices than men who don’t have that but instead have the pressure of having to succeed to have a wife and money and so on so that also makes them take more chances than we would that often propel them forward faster than women. A woman could definitely do the same but we chose not to because we prioritize family.
@reallyshel it bothers me when people make statements like yours, define "competitiveness", say what statistics youre talking about. In one go your own comments you said thay nothing is ever so simple, so stop making stupidly simple statements.
It's not that women dont have 'professional stamina', it's that they don't generally have the same professional drive. Poll after poll has shown this. The 'wage gap' is due to women taking time off to have children, and in the aggregate, working less hours when they are working. Men simply have an inner competitive drive that most women lack. Men are also the majority of workers in the most dangerous, and thus most lucrative jobs.
@@reallyshel What statistics? If the playing field was always equal and women weren't limited from most jobs fields there would be no debate about any of this.
I'm so tired of people saying abortion is never needed to save the mother's life. I know someone who was pregnant and had complications from Crohn's. She ended up going into sepsis and one of the ways she was treated was by removing the baby (way too early) so her body could fight the infection. She survived, the baby didn't. If they wouldn't have removed the baby, they probably both would have died.
@@anegron3285yeah that’s called willful ignorance. you don’t have to understand a medical issue by going through it. literally all these idiots need is education and empathy.
Curious, by remove the baby did she deliver that baby extremely early or was there a C-section? The way you explain it seems that the baby at least had a small chance at life and was not intentionally dismembered physically or chemically in the womb. Which that would fall in line with pro-life views…
Biggest takeaway: Tradwives think all women should be tradwives whereas feminists think woman CAN be tradwive AND that they can do anything else they choose to
no we are not gonna do that. there are a bunch of tradwives who think like that but the people in that Video do not represent all of them so lets not paint them as forceful and whatever. Let people be and do whatever they want
@@anyways827 70% of tradwives when anonymously polled show that they are one because if fear of being "with out" so in otherwords vast majority of "trad wives" are unhappy
Being a trad wife and being treated with respect by your husbands is a direct result from feminism! And that’s okay! But why not admit your life is better now then it would have been 70 years ago, because of these courageous and outspoken women?
This. Domestic violence rates were off the scale before the 1970s before no-fault divorce was an option and women could finally have their own bank account.
Exactly! These women can live however they want, but they have all expressed that they still want to be treated kindly and respectfully by their husbands. That's what feminism is for.
11:00 The argument here HURT to hear. The fact that that woman genuinely believed women aren’t capable of working in science and education at the same extent as men made me so incredibly sad.
Imagine getting a degree to be a professional in your field, and your job applications get rejected because the employer believes women aren't capable of most things. These women are pushing dangerous beliefs that limit other women in the world.
These women are pushing dangerous beliefs that limit other women in the world. Imagine getting a degree to a be a professional in your field and your job applications get rejected because the employer believes women aren't capable, i'm sure this has happened many times somewhere in the world.
Internalized misogyny at its core unfortunately. It’s like, she absolutely ignored the fact that people like Marie Curie, Ada Lovelace, Grace Hopper are major pioneers in the math and science sphere. Hopper being an admiral in the military. Heck, _Deborah_ in the Bible was a Judge and military general. So it’s not like women weren’t capable of filling major positions. Just that patriarchal societies barred them from it and gave them less access to education.
I love being married to my husband. We are a team and both have full time jobs. This is how our marriage best works for us. All I can say is that stay at home moms and tradwives can and should lead the life they want but with protection. Leaving your entire financial well-being in the hands of your spouse is a scary and vulnerable position to be in.
@@michaelplauche9901even if they make a lot of money it’s still not safe to rely on one person for your wellbeing. anything could happen and it’s smart to have a backup plan just in case
1. I’ll get a divorce if he hits me or cheats on me too much 2. I got my degree and was the breadwinner for a while Do they really… not understand that they were able to do that because of feminism? Incredibly contradictory, this is not a debate - at this point this is a little embarrassing.
“modern feminism” is not bad either. looking at the extremes of any group will make it look bad but most modern feminists do not behave in the manner that chronically online people believe they do.
As someone who takes birth control because of my period and intense cramps. I am not mentally unwell, my body is fine, and I'm quite glad to be able to take it and not have to be bedridden with pain once a month.
I feel you. When I was younger my periods were awful. Birth control helped me later in life but didn't take it before because family thought it would make me promiscuous. So silly looking back at it now. They'd rather me be in pain than take medication.
Well how long have you been on it? When you’re on it a long time it starts to feel normal but if you stopped taking it for even a month you feel very different. Your endocrine system is very sensitive and putting hormones in your body is going to change you in some way or another. But yes obviously that’s your choice, you can decide what’s more beneficial to you.
@Daisy99999 Not that any of my symptoms are your business but I've been on it for about three years. I do not feel different when I'm off it besides the fact the bedridden cramps come back. Like I said before my body is fine, I trust a medical professional over a stranger any day.
Have you looked into seeing an endometriosis specialist? I used birth control to help with my debilitating symptoms for years. But after I got to have an excision surgery it was life changing. I think birth control can be a fantastic tool for helping with pain, but unfortunately often is used as a bandaid solution to a deeper issue that's being looked over. 🤍
these women perfectly express what feminism is at so many points of this debate. Not only do they put their points across so effortlessly, but it's refreshing knowing jubilee didn't put "crazy" feminists with extreme radical views, and simply put women who believe in true equity in our society (as we all should believe)
@@mlthornton1 How can you just suspect what someone else believes? I could suspect that you actually do believe in true equity and you would call me wrong. She says she believes in equity so she does.
36:54 This woman is arguing that before women joined the workforce, communities would pool their resources and take care of women who were abandoned or widowed? That's not true.
@@mlthornton1it’s pretty common knowledge that women without husbands and children were ostracised in society in a way single men weren’t. A huge chunk of the women targeted as witches were unmarried older women 😂
the fact that she is willing to believe that women are getting abortions at 9 months because of “mental health” but not believe that there are any medical emergencies in which an abortion is necessary is WILD
No, what’s “WILD” is to believe an abortion is necessary at 9 months gestation vs a caesarean. Literally not a single reason a viable baby needs to be hacked to pieces or receive an induced-heart attack via a needle stabbed into their heart (to which labor has to be induced - so now instead of an anesthetic to mom, she has to go through the stress and pain of labor on top of whatever her medical condition is). It was a bit discouraging seeing how ignorant the feminists were during that segment.
@@ashleyb216 if someone is carrying a baby for 9 months i PROMISE you they where intending to have that baby and to get the news that they cannot have the child they where planing to bring into the world is probably some of the worst news they will ever have in their life, if they could just have a c-section they would, people shouldn’t make decisions on other people’s bodies when they clearly have no understanding of how those bodies work
she was brilliant, until the end where i kind of felt she didn't argument well anymore, and the part she said we should not talk about trans women because we are cis women and it's not our fight, when there is a whole layer of feminists (radfem) who obviously would disagree and think that that's exactly what the fight is these days (to keep bio men out of our prisons, sports etc.) so i loved her most of the video, but she lost me there. i wish they brought non-progressive feminists, those who are politically centrist or radfem to participate as well. not just young zoomer progressive feminists, because this way conversation was basically older women vs younger ones, or something like that.
Yeah as much as I disagreed with her on a lot it was kind of random bringing up trans people when were talking about feminism. Maybe they brought it up because modern feminism tends to push it? Perhaps.
Yes! And this is my biggest problem with a lot of religious people, they think their religion is the objective truth. I don't have any problem whatsoever with religion until people try applying it to ME
1:26 child of a single mother, when she first met her husband when she was 14 she "immediately knew she wanted to spend her life with him". Im glad things seem to be working out well for her now. But that situation she just discribed is what could have been the situation her mother was in when she became a single mother.
I’m the son of a Christian tradwife who’s husband cheated on her and the divorce put the entire family in a financial bind that we are still having a hard time recovering from 23 yrs later. If you choose this “traditional lifestyle” you are putting yourself at a huge financial risk please work even if part time and have a education to fall back on men ain’t sh!t and not worth risking your financial well being over.
Please share your thoughts lol I’m intrigued! Def “outside looking in” feels I imagine; I was iding as femmasc/bi my whole life up until, 5 or so years ago.
I hate it when tradwives/any conservative will bring up the constitution…so whatever was written in the constitution indicates truth and reason for the rest of time? Cmon, have some common sense
@ I personally don’t, I’m in Canada - but I think it is common sense that regulations decided over 100years ago might not hold up. Philosophical theories of how society should function have come a long way and I think that with the amount of pushback and amendments of certain rights that the constitution clearly isn’t an accurate representation of what is “true” or what is “best” Our society has grown exponentially and definitely has outgrown certain aspects of the constitution - the constitution neglects to take into consideration the rapid growth and change of our society. Our world is not constant and we shouldn’t be governed by a set of constant rules that were created in a world that is WAY different than it is now
@@thenewnationpodcast so you never did anything that you knew you had 2 options and agreed to both, but you chose one? Even if you advocate and believe that women should have the same rights as men, you can choose to stay at home. That is exactly the whole point. That you can choose which path you want to take.
@@katarinazupancic2508modern feminism doesn’t believe that they just want to switch roles with men. They no longer believe in equal rights. Women have had that for a very long time now
The tradwives seem to also be hardcore Christians, which aren’t the only type of religious leaning. Kinda wish they’d include tradwives of other religious and political leaning. Then again, it’s almost kind of a requirement to be religious if they’re gonna be submissive partners so no surprise there
This is the point of Jubilee though, they bring in the most extreme version of the negative side for clicks. A non-religious stay at home wife doesn't have as extreme notions as a religious one.
@@Dissarae2469no they wouldn’t have because their doctrine is 100x stricter than christianity their husbands are allowed to discipline them…. and trust me i know muslims personally they would be on the christian’s side even more radical in fact
As a pretty traditional wife and stay at home mom I kind of hate the trad wives. Not all of us are religious, my marriage is a partnership and often I’m the one that leads the home because that is my forte and my husband leads the finances because that is his. The problem is that traditional marriage and feminism have both been taken to an extreme. There are obvious genetic differences between men and women and those make us better at different things. We just need to team up to help each other where the other lacks.
Female pediatric surgeons are putting themselves at a disadvantage, but being completely financially dependent on another person isn’t a disadvantage… it’s a lot of very illogical thinking on the tradwife side, which lends well to their disposition that women aren’t as great at applying knowledge or making decisions. Feminist side has an integrated feminine + masculine approach to life, which should be a goal for every human. Freedom and agency over oneself, while recognizing biological limitations.
@@takuandhenri502 The issue with that is you’ll have to find people who _aren’t_ religious who choose the Tradwife lifestyle. They do exist (was just typing to an atheist Tradwife in this very comment section with great insight), but for most people, the reason why they choose the lifestyle is specifically due to religious reasons.
@ that’s fine, could be the exact same group of people in this video for all I care 😂 but the point I’m making is i think it’s an invalid argument to hold other to your own religious standards, and even worse to make laws based on one groups religious standards.
@@sianbennett8545 For most tradwives, the reason why many of them choose the lifestyle is due to religion. For many of them, they’re essentially intertwined. Jubilee would have to select an agnostic/atheist/irreligious person on the panel tp have such a discussion; or at least find someone who chose the lifestyle due to preferences outside of religion.
Why as a women do i need to serve my husband? Or "serve" anyone. I can do kind things for my partner or anyone i love and id hope that people i love will do the same for me. Period
I can do kind things for my partner or anyone i love and id hope that people i love will do the same for me" that's called serving... In marriage both parties should be of service. Is that so egregious?
This was like a handmaid’s tale x euphoria crossover 😭😭 Also Siete was easily the most well spoken and made the best arguments. Jubilee should definitely bring her back more! The feminists overall made the strongest arguments between both sides in terms of freedom, autonomy and agency for women tbh.
I’ve been out of the workforce for 2 years taking care of my children and just those two years of missing experience has made it so hard for me to get a job. I still haven’t found one. Before having my children I NEVER struggled to find a job. Anytime I interview they are impressed until they hear that I haven’t been working for the past two years… My choices for career are now severely limited. Those tradwives are delusional if they think they wouldnt struggle to find a career should their husbands leave
@@xxsupastarxxa job that would cover the cost of child care would do! Most “jobs” won’t do this. We have to remember that minimum wage jobs are designed for young students to get into the workforce, not for mothers to support their families.
The biggest OP of ANY marginalized group is a a member of that group with internalized hate. The audacity of that woman to say that other women put themselves at a INHERENT BIOLOGICAL disadvantage because of us find purpose in life beyond a partner and kids is insane. Women physicians push themselves extremely hard and outcomes show that female patients offered have better outcomes with female physicians. Insane.
Middle Ground Idea: *Parents vs. Childfree* Is it selfish to not want kids? Can people without kids give parenting advice? Should people receive tax breaks for being parents?
I would add the opposite of the first question. Is it selfish to want kids? Since having kids is perpetuating a part of you (your genes) and that in itself can be a "selfish" act.
That’s a refreshing take, I actually would like to see someone who is a tradwife/SAHM who isn’t doing it due for religious reasons. Out of genuine curiosity, why do you like the tradwife lifestyle?
@@BonazaiGirl thank you! I really value the lifestyle because I’ve seen firsthand the strength and stability it brought to my parents' marriage. Throughout the last 30+ years, my parents have a strong, loving dynamic where each of them played a distinct but equally important role. My mom focused on creating a warm, nurturing home, while my father provided for our family (while also being equally loving and nurturing to us), and together they built a foundation that allowed my brother and I to thrive. Their relationship was built on mutual respect, dedication, and shared values, and growing up in that environment showed me the beauty of a well-balanced, traditional household. Because of that, I appreciate the structure and deep sense of partnership that comes with embracing traditional roles in marriage. However, this is based solely on my experience and I understand the other side as well!
@@Angelaa66Thank you so much for answering me! This was insightful! As a feminist, I’m all for housewives and the ability to choose one’s choice, and I’m sincerely glad your parents’ and your marriages are working well! Now I really wished you were on that panel, that nuance would’ve really allowed for more perspectives.
@@BonazaiGirlyou're so welcome! I appreciate your wishes and I'm glad that you are accepting of our decisions and paths. Yeah I agree Jubilee's panel seems very one-sided sometimes
Every time the woman with the glasses and beige shirt talked my brain seized. That anyone could be so confidently wrong is disturbing. Also, just because she sucked at her job and turned to being a tradwife to make her feel better for that failure doesn't mean that other women need to do the same.
They needed more variation on the tradwife side. All of them being Christians is not realistic. There are Muslims traditional wives, Buddhist, atheists ect. There are many stay at home wives of different faiths.
I believe in Christ, a feminist, and I’m a housewife currently, but these women on the tradwife side are so narrow minded. I do not agree with their thoughts and logic, I am lucky I have a degree and my husband is supportive with kids and work. But please, girls you can do and be anything you want! I want my daughters to be able to feel capable to choose their path in life if possible. I will fully fight for women and my girls to not feel shamed, and live a life full. I wish they had just normal housewives interviewing because many of us do not think like this tradwife way. Many of us are well educated and know the nuances of people living and walking different paths and do not throw our beliefs in a diverse thinking society.
What has been the successful leadership/family structure for humans through the ages? That structure has proven successful as demonstrated by our existence. It doesn’t work out for each individual for sure. But viability is selected for
I’m only 7 minutes in and this might change but I’m really loving the respectful tone of the questions instead of a hostile jabbing tone, you can share your thoughts without having to be rude 😊
"I do get to say..." but at the end of the day, the decision is HIS. I'm not saying oh don't live that way, I'm saying she's being dishonest. In the end, if husband doesn't take her voice into account, per her logic, it doesn't matter. Because HE gets the final say. It's a yes or no. If he decides something, can she 'revoke' his choice?
In essence, one is a very strongly worded suggestion while the other is a command. It’s not a partnership of equals, but a hierarchy. I hate how disingenuous she was about that. It’s one thing if both parties are in agreement about if that’s how they want to operate, but she purposefully leaving out the fact that the relationship at its core doesn’t operate on people of equal standing.
@BonazaiGirl exactly..like girl if that's how you wanna live go for it. But stop being dishonest. You can give your counsel yes. But that's what the feminists are cautioning. If suppose her ideology was law he could in theory just be like sure. He could indirectly punish her for speaking up
I hate the phrase "men are stronger." There are all sorts of ways of defining the word "strength." Men are BRAWNIER. I find this word brawn really encapsulates the type of strength that men have "over" women. Women are not mentally weaker in any way, weaker in defending from disease - in fact, we can go longer without food and water, which is a strength. Etc., etc. It's complicated, not simple.
@ Nah, not specific enough. Lots of things are physical. Women can bear as much pain as men, for as long. I don't think we can run fast for as long as men can, but we can run long-distance as long as men. Women can bear physical burdens as long as men, walk as long as men...lots of similar things. What do you have against "brawn"?
The brand of feminism that says women should all be working for a giant corporation, away from their kids, because all men will leave you, cheat on you etc is not truly in favour of women. I hope we all realize that. The brand of feminism in favour of choice and individual human rights is what I support. I don’t understand why people seem to be so confused about this.
That would be interesting. In general you will likely find two common trends, by my understanding and experience: Some will be copying their family of origin and others will be engaging in utter defiance and opposition to the way they grew up.
feminists would agree that if you want to be a trad wife and you're happy then go for it, but trad wives just want women to solely submit to men is what I'm getting from this video.
For years, new wave feminism made me feel bad for dropping out of college, getting married young, and having children before 21. I was constantly bombarded with questions like "when do you plan on going back to school?" "When are you going to continue your career?" It led to me taking birth control for years which severely impacted me physically and mentally; and I eventually had a successful career but when I reached success, I realized a career and school will never give me the joy I get from being a wife and mother. I have been SO much happier since I have chosen to become a stay at home. I'm not saying women shouldn't further their education or pursue careers, but since having daughters I have made it abundantly clear that if they choose to pursue a path as a homemaker, it is an incredibly important job and it's so fulfilling.
When we talk about tradition? Who’s tradition are we talking about? In many global south countries there exists many matrilineal societies where women lead their communities and tribes so when we’re tradition we are talking about the tradition of white European oppression
Thanks for having the feminists on your show. The other side call themselves Christian but have such a selfish mindset. No one forcing them to give up their way of life. Why can’t they let all other woman decide to live their lives like they want to ? They speak from such a privileged position and leave out everyone who doesn’t have these privileges and needs this freedom of choice.
I hate the use of the word submission, like it's a competition for control 😂 a husband and wife should depend on each other. Codependency, communication, and autonomy are key in any relationship.
@@sodalindau8364 Unfortunately, it operates the same way how some black people are against their own interests or how some closeted gay/lesbian people rage against LGBTQ rights. Internalized hatred is a terrible thing.
@@rainbowdropsrainbowdrops4546And you guys prove the point that feminism is not about "let women do what they want", but instead "we need to liberate women who have internalised patriarchy". What a setup...
"aS a ChRiStIAn WoMAn" not everyone is christain, and you shouldn't force your idea on others..tradewives need to just stay in the home like they want and leave other women alone
@@kumaranvijthey could take people from different parts of europe for example one from scandinavia, one from central europe, one from slavic countries etc. and same for americans!
I’m a Christian female lead engineer who submits to her husband and my husband submits to me by loving me as Christ loved the church. We both bring in incomes . We both make decisions. We weigh the odds and go for the most logical approach. Y’all like to complicate the Christian life 😂😂😂 it’s not that deep guys breath !
Are they truly trad wives if they’re making content, and making money through it? I thought one of the things they believe as trad wives is that the husband “provides” for them. But making content, and putting it on RUclips is a way to earn a living.
Exactly! None of these women are trad wives. They can never be with how advance our society is 🤦🏻♀️ you arnt a trad wife if you have a social media platform. You arnt a trad wife if you went to school and got your bachelors.
Why do people care so much about what others do with their body, or what people do with their personal life It's no body business what you do with your body, who you date or sleep with
@@alienus9092 I don't care what people do with their body that included Drugs, abortion, tattoos, vaccines, having sex with a lot of people or none, and so on It doesn't affect me what they do with their body
As much as I am a Christian, I would’ve been interested to have seen at least 2 tradwives from a non Christian standpoint and from different backgrounds just to see a different pov.
@@swagdonor2357 Race plays a massive factor in people’s lives. A black person will experience life differently from a white person. A person who was raised in an Asian household will have a different perspective of someone raised in a Hispanic one. And if we’re talking about politics and social issues? You better believe race and ethnicity will play a huge part in it. After all, it takes a willingness to choose to blind yourself to how race plays into the lives of those who are different from you.
@@BonazaiGirl we all know there are cultural differences in people. But does it need to be brought up in every single conversation? Is that really necessary? Does your skin color have to be your entire identity?
@@swagdonor2357 I’m going to assume you’re white, because as a black person, it plays a lot in how I’m treated, how I go about things, how I’m viewed, and my perspective on how the world operates. In a discussion about feminism and tradwives, when intersectionality exists, it definitely plays a part.
If a woman wants to be a stay at home mom that’s fine if she doesn’t wanna do that then it’s also fine.
The problem is that feminism was pushed to plummet the white birth rates and tax more women.
The issue I have is how toxic feminists affect society and demonize men.
I wish people could think this way about many things. Everybody's all worried about everyone but themselves.
Yes because feminism won that choice for women
@@jeannesgm7564
It also destroyed society.
Crazy idea, how about every woman decides for herself which lifestyle she wants to lead
that is exactly what happens now… it’s a free country. doesn’t mean people can’t have a conversation about it. i don’t think any of these women believe you should be forced into submission. of course it is a choice.
You say this like free will doesn't exist
No one is really foricng anything, it's debate on what's better.
@@nicoedits6940 It barely exists
@@Jacqueline888 The whole point of these videos is each side thinking their lifestyle is the correct one across the board though, that's the point of the "vs" in the title. If everyone here thought that it's a matter of to each their own, the only content in this video would be all of them simply agreeing to disagree
"I don't think people *_should_* do anything, I think they *_can_* do anything." Preach!
Moderators did a horrible job. The women being happier turned into an abortion debate.
Ugh thank you, I was waiting for someone else to point that out. I sat there lost and wondered why they didn't dial them back.
Piers Morgan is a better moderator 😂.
That’s not the point
They turned it into an abortion debate by mentioning “bodily autonomy” 50 times. It’s not even bodily autonomy.
Agreed whoever was moderating was holding out that conversation way too long
Wait, there was a moderator? 😂
It blows my mind that some people think all women have less professional stamina. We're all people. Some people are smart, some aren't. Some people can work hard, some can't. Why do they say women should just stand back? Then they abusers will roam free and exploit us because of financial power imbalance.
I think we have the same stamina but we have different priorities and an internal clock that makes up take certain decisions to be more safe with our choices than men who don’t have that but instead have the pressure of having to succeed to have a wife and money and so on so that also makes them take more chances than we would that often propel them forward faster than women. A woman could definitely do the same but we chose not to because we prioritize family.
Look at statistics for one...not hard to understand. Men are far more competitive than women.
@reallyshel it bothers me when people make statements like yours, define "competitiveness", say what statistics youre talking about. In one go your own comments you said thay nothing is ever so simple, so stop making stupidly simple statements.
It's not that women dont have 'professional stamina', it's that they don't generally have the same professional drive. Poll after poll has shown this. The 'wage gap' is due to women taking time off to have children, and in the aggregate, working less hours when they are working. Men simply have an inner competitive drive that most women lack. Men are also the majority of workers in the most dangerous, and thus most lucrative jobs.
@@reallyshel What statistics? If the playing field was always equal and women weren't limited from most jobs fields there would be no debate about any of this.
I'm so tired of people saying abortion is never needed to save the mother's life. I know someone who was pregnant and had complications from Crohn's. She ended up going into sepsis and one of the ways she was treated was by removing the baby (way too early) so her body could fight the infection. She survived, the baby didn't. If they wouldn't have removed the baby, they probably both would have died.
Some people don't understand until they experience it
@@anegron3285yeah that’s called willful ignorance. you don’t have to understand a medical issue by going through it. literally all these idiots need is education and empathy.
Curious, by remove the baby did she deliver that baby extremely early or was there a C-section?
The way you explain it seems that the baby at least had a small chance at life and was not intentionally dismembered physically or chemically in the womb. Which that would fall in line with pro-life views…
@@emben2398 It was a c-section. It was too early for the baby to have a chance to live.
Then that’s not abortion, that’s early delivery
Biggest takeaway: Tradwives think all women should be tradwives whereas feminists think woman CAN be tradwive AND that they can do anything else they choose to
Well said! 👍👍👍
Tradwives want all women to be feminine meanwhile feminist want all women to be better than men
no we are not gonna do that. there are a bunch of tradwives who think like that but the people in that Video do not represent all of them so lets not paint them as forceful and whatever. Let people be and do whatever they want
Not true they call them pick me's and expect trad wife to have abortions etc
@@anyways827 70% of tradwives when anonymously polled show that they are one because if fear of being "with out" so in otherwords vast majority of "trad wives" are unhappy
Being a trad wife and being treated with respect by your husbands is a direct result from feminism! And that’s okay! But why not admit your life is better now then it would have been 70 years ago, because of these courageous and outspoken women?
This. Domestic violence rates were off the scale before the 1970s before no-fault divorce was an option and women could finally have their own bank account.
Exactly! These women can live however they want, but they have all expressed that they still want to be treated kindly and respectfully by their husbands. That's what feminism is for.
Some of the people on the other side agreed with first way feminism. Its the new feminism that they dont agree with.
@@emmanuelabalihi5747 That's a cop out. Being anti choice is against all branches of feminism.
Interesting. So, your life better because you have to work way more?
Next Middle Ground - Illegal immigrants vs ICE agents
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We make so mach we are not criminals
After illegally crossing the border
🤣.....i was dead
it's a TRAP!
the way I gasped when I read this comment. this comment is underrated
11:00 The argument here HURT to hear. The fact that that woman genuinely believed women aren’t capable of working in science and education at the same extent as men made me so incredibly sad.
She is blaming all women for her own shorcomings
Imagine getting a degree to be a professional in your field, and your job applications get rejected because the employer believes women aren't capable of most things. These women are pushing dangerous beliefs that limit other women in the world.
These women are pushing dangerous beliefs that limit other women in the world. Imagine getting a degree to a be a professional in your field and your job applications get rejected because the employer believes women aren't capable, i'm sure this has happened many times somewhere in the world.
Definitely projection
Internalized misogyny at its core unfortunately. It’s like, she absolutely ignored the fact that people like Marie Curie, Ada Lovelace, Grace Hopper are major pioneers in the math and science sphere. Hopper being an admiral in the military.
Heck, _Deborah_ in the Bible was a Judge and military general. So it’s not like women weren’t capable of filling major positions. Just that patriarchal societies barred them from it and gave them less access to education.
I love being married to my husband. We are a team and both have full time jobs. This is how our marriage best works for us. All I can say is that stay at home moms and tradwives can and should lead the life they want but with protection. Leaving your entire financial well-being in the hands of your spouse is a scary and vulnerable position to be in.
Not when he’s a lawyer, doctor, engineer, etc. I don’t think women become housewives on purpose, they do it when hubby makes the $$
Its all about trust
@@michaelplauche9901even if they make a lot of money it’s still not safe to rely on one person for your wellbeing. anything could happen and it’s smart to have a backup plan just in case
@@michaelplauche9901 It's still a vulnerable position to be in no matter how much money your partner makes
exactly, it's insane some women there did not acknowledge this.
when the fact is that so many women end up under the bridge with 5 kids.
1. I’ll get a divorce if he hits me or cheats on me too much
2. I got my degree and was the breadwinner for a while
Do they really… not understand that they were able to do that because of feminism? Incredibly contradictory, this is not a debate - at this point this is a little embarrassing.
Some of them agreed with first wave feminism and acknowledged that. Their arguments is against mordern feminism
Why does it seem that America is hungry to go backwards?
@@emmanuelabalihi5747child marriage is still legal in the US btw
@@emmanuelabalihi5747they literally defended the anti-suffragists in the beginning of the video lol
“modern feminism” is not bad either. looking at the extremes of any group will make it look bad but most modern feminists do not behave in the manner that chronically online people believe they do.
As someone who takes birth control because of my period and intense cramps. I am not mentally unwell, my body is fine, and I'm quite glad to be able to take it and not have to be bedridden with pain once a month.
I feel you. When I was younger my periods were awful. Birth control helped me later in life but didn't take it before because family thought it would make me promiscuous. So silly looking back at it now. They'd rather me be in pain than take medication.
Well how long have you been on it? When you’re on it a long time it starts to feel normal but if you stopped taking it for even a month you feel very different. Your endocrine system is very sensitive and putting hormones in your body is going to change you in some way or another. But yes obviously that’s your choice, you can decide what’s more beneficial to you.
The acne was crazyyyyy too
@Daisy99999 Not that any of my symptoms are your business but I've been on it for about three years. I do not feel different when I'm off it besides the fact the bedridden cramps come back. Like I said before my body is fine, I trust a medical professional over a stranger any day.
Have you looked into seeing an endometriosis specialist? I used birth control to help with my debilitating symptoms for years. But after I got to have an excision surgery it was life changing. I think birth control can be a fantastic tool for helping with pain, but unfortunately often is used as a bandaid solution to a deeper issue that's being looked over. 🤍
I’m already tired of this video and I haven’t even started watching it 😂
Just the title alone 😂
I saw Jasmen (the 304 lawyer) and I feel tired of the video already
I see u with the Dee profile pic love to see another fan of hers
Lmao, Yess it only minutes in and over it
1 min in already clicking off
these women perfectly express what feminism is at so many points of this debate. Not only do they put their points across so effortlessly, but it's refreshing knowing jubilee didn't put "crazy" feminists with extreme radical views, and simply put women who believe in true equity in our society (as we all should believe)
I don't believe in true equity and I suspect that you don't either
I was actually surprised at the level headed and respectful feminist too😂 they picked great people on this one
@@mlthornton1 How can you just suspect what someone else believes? I could suspect that you actually do believe in true equity and you would call me wrong. She says she believes in equity so she does.
Women don't believe in true equity and never will (The Draft)
Yes! I thought the feminists did great. I’m really hopeful that progressives are going to come back stronger than ever.
The rift here is too big i think christian trad wives vs christian feminists would have made more sense
I agree
36:54 This woman is arguing that before women joined the workforce, communities would pool their resources and take care of women who were abandoned or widowed? That's not true.
Its literally the opposite, Women with out husbands were ostracized. this is very simple history,.
"That's not true" as a response is on par with "nuh uh!"
@@mlthornton1it’s pretty common knowledge that women without husbands and children were ostracised in society in a way single men weren’t. A huge chunk of the women targeted as witches were unmarried older women 😂
I think outside the US thats true.
@@emmanuelabalihi5747 more of the same... "I think... that's true". That's not convincing at all
the fact that she is willing to believe that women are getting abortions at 9 months because of “mental health” but not believe that there are any medical emergencies in which an abortion is necessary is WILD
Yea I could literally not believe my ears like wtf
Why is abortion necessary at 9 month? 😢 if you can abort you can give birth either C-section or vaginal
No, what’s “WILD” is to believe an abortion is necessary at 9 months gestation vs a caesarean. Literally not a single reason a viable baby needs to be hacked to pieces or receive an induced-heart attack via a needle stabbed into their heart (to which labor has to be induced - so now instead of an anesthetic to mom, she has to go through the stress and pain of labor on top of whatever her medical condition is). It was a bit discouraging seeing how ignorant the feminists were during that segment.
@@ashleyb216 if someone is carrying a baby for 9 months i PROMISE you they where intending to have that baby and to get the news that they cannot have the child they where planing to bring into the world is probably some of the worst news they will ever have in their life, if they could just have a c-section they would, people shouldn’t make decisions on other people’s bodies when they clearly have no understanding of how those bodies work
The black girl is on fire 🔥
she was definitely the most annoying and most professional victim there
@@cheapbruh9778ohh brother reported and blocked ! No time for antagonistic ppl
she was brilliant, until the end where i kind of felt she didn't argument well anymore, and the part she said we should not talk about trans women because we are cis women and it's not our fight, when there is a whole layer of feminists (radfem) who obviously would disagree and think that that's exactly what the fight is these days (to keep bio men out of our prisons, sports etc.)
so i loved her most of the video, but she lost me there.
i wish they brought non-progressive feminists, those who are politically centrist or radfem to participate as well. not just young zoomer progressive feminists, because this way conversation was basically older women vs younger ones, or something like that.
Yeah as much as I disagreed with her on a lot it was kind of random bringing up trans people when were talking about feminism. Maybe they brought it up because modern feminism tends to push it? Perhaps.
Which black girl
Next episode: Stay-at-home husbands vs Meninists
Meninist? Is that a word?
@@honor9lite1337 Dunno, but it sounds like one
What about stay at home husbands vs Mennonites
@ That works too honestly
@@Entertainment-gc2oi Stay at home husbands vs Methodists
26:40 the tradwife is NUTS, how tf can anyone deny that there are medical emergencies
that's the craziest part of the video.
Because they were brainwashed by their husbands
In this day and age there is never a need for it.
@@xxsupastarxx you’re unbelievably ignorant
@xxsupastarxx for medical emergencies that require abortions? Yes there is.
The blond woman saying that Christianity is the objctive truth made my blood boil. Religion is subjective truth for each individual.
As a christian I agree
@@N1no_ion chrisian? Now THERE is a new word for you.
@@TheVeganVicar OK bro
YES AS A CHRISTIAN I AGREE
Yes! And this is my biggest problem with a lot of religious people, they think their religion is the objective truth. I don't have any problem whatsoever with religion until people try applying it to ME
1:26 child of a single mother, when she first met her husband when she was 14 she "immediately knew she wanted to spend her life with him".
Im glad things seem to be working out well for her now. But that situation she just discribed is what could have been the situation her mother was in when she became a single mother.
I’m the son of a Christian tradwife who’s husband cheated on her and the divorce put the entire family in a financial bind that we are still having a hard time recovering from 23 yrs later. If you choose this “traditional lifestyle” you are putting yourself at a huge financial risk please work even if part time and have a education to fall back on men ain’t sh!t and not worth risking your financial well being over.
another tough watch from jubilee thanks guys
I always thought Tradwifes meant they would trade with other partners like swingers and stuff lol. I guess we learn something new each day.
😭😭😭😭
🎉same honestly,never married these terms be too similar fr😅
Wtf 😂😂😂 how, lol
This is officially my new definition for "tradwife" now. Thanks.
I mean it happens 😂
watching this as a lesbian is so fascinating lol
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it is lol
Please share your thoughts lol I’m intrigued! Def “outside looking in” feels I imagine; I was iding as femmasc/bi my whole life up until, 5 or so years ago.
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Was looking for this comment loll
I hate it when tradwives/any conservative will bring up the constitution…so whatever was written in the constitution indicates truth and reason for the rest of time? Cmon, have some common sense
Yes u do live in america correct?
@ I personally don’t, I’m in Canada - but I think it is common sense that regulations decided over 100years ago might not hold up. Philosophical theories of how society should function have come a long way and I think that with the amount of pushback and amendments of certain rights that the constitution clearly isn’t an accurate representation of what is “true” or what is “best”
Our society has grown exponentially and definitely has outgrown certain aspects of the constitution - the constitution neglects to take into consideration the rapid growth and change of our society. Our world is not constant and we shouldn’t be governed by a set of constant rules that were created in a world that is WAY different than it is now
Being a trad wife is not mutually exclusive to being a feminist
No, it is.
Yes it is.
@@thenewnationpodcast so you never did anything that you knew you had 2 options and agreed to both, but you chose one? Even if you advocate and believe that women should have the same rights as men, you can choose to stay at home. That is exactly the whole point. That you can choose which path you want to take.
@@katarinazupancic2508modern feminism doesn’t believe that they just want to switch roles with men. They no longer believe in equal rights. Women have had that for a very long time now
oh yeah it for sure it.
If they really choose to be tradwifes and are happy with that, all is fine. But feminism made sure women have this choice
I found a smart comment.
Tradwifes? Now THERE is a new word for you.
The tradwives seem to also be hardcore Christians, which aren’t the only type of religious leaning. Kinda wish they’d include tradwives of other religious and political leaning. Then again, it’s almost kind of a requirement to be religious if they’re gonna be submissive partners so no surprise there
I agree. Should've had other religions included to make it a more interesting debate.
@@selfridgesforever4399 This. I feel like muslims would've been more reasonable.
Didnt Muhammad have concubines?(Sex slaves?) And married a child 3 years before she reached puberty@@Dissarae2469
This is the point of Jubilee though, they bring in the most extreme version of the negative side for clicks. A non-religious stay at home wife doesn't have as extreme notions as a religious one.
@@Dissarae2469no they wouldn’t have because their doctrine is 100x stricter than christianity their husbands are allowed to discipline them…. and trust me i know muslims personally they would be on the christian’s side even more radical in fact
As a female physicist, it is heartbreaking to see women put limits on what they think their gender can achieve.
As a pretty traditional wife and stay at home mom I kind of hate the trad wives. Not all of us are religious, my marriage is a partnership and often I’m the one that leads the home because that is my forte and my husband leads the finances because that is his. The problem is that traditional marriage and feminism have both been taken to an extreme. There are obvious genetic differences between men and women and those make us better at different things. We just need to team up to help each other where the other lacks.
I love this comment!!
What has feminism taken to the extreme?
@@dreamskeepmesane what has it not 😂😂? Are you delusional?
@@emrefifty5281 You know that instead of calling me delusional you could give me an example?
Female pediatric surgeons are putting themselves at a disadvantage, but being completely financially dependent on another person isn’t a disadvantage… it’s a lot of very illogical thinking on the tradwife side, which lends well to their disposition that women aren’t as great at applying knowledge or making decisions. Feminist side has an integrated feminine + masculine approach to life, which should be a goal for every human. Freedom and agency over oneself, while recognizing biological limitations.
I would love to see this remade, but no one is allowed to mention any religious argument
@@takuandhenri502 The issue with that is you’ll have to find people who _aren’t_ religious who choose the Tradwife lifestyle. They do exist (was just typing to an atheist Tradwife in this very comment section with great insight), but for most people, the reason why they choose the lifestyle is specifically due to religious reasons.
@ that’s fine, could be the exact same group of people in this video for all I care 😂 but the point I’m making is i think it’s an invalid argument to hold other to your own religious standards, and even worse to make laws based on one groups religious standards.
18:33 so no birth control, no abortion what should a woman do?
they think we're just breeding machines
Just don’t have sex until you’re ready to have a baby. Or have the guy wear a condom.
How about using protection 🤷♂️
@@imraw087 that's actually against religion but birth control isn't
@@imraw087that is…. birth control?
Can we please have a debate where religion isn’t the lead component of their argument…
Some people say that's the difference between a housewife and a tradwife
No. If thats what they wanna lead with why not?
@@sianbennett8545 For most tradwives, the reason why many of them choose the lifestyle is due to religion. For many of them, they’re essentially intertwined.
Jubilee would have to select an agnostic/atheist/irreligious person on the panel tp have such a discussion; or at least find someone who chose the lifestyle due to preferences outside of religion.
I think the main point is that we need to have a CHOICE because we're all different
These types of conversations are so hard when both sides view life completely different
Especially when one side are literally suffering from beyond-generational Stockholm syndrome…
Especially if one side wants to go back to the 1940s when there was no voting or rights.
Religion is cringe
@@tstret3104and when the other side is so insufferable they will work themselves to death for a meagre wage under capitalism
Bro they sound so culty
Because they are
@@Fnanaanf who the feminist?
Yeah the post-modern feminists are cult-like.
Trads @@DojoofGain
Nah the trads@@DojoofGain
Why as a women do i need to serve my husband? Or "serve" anyone. I can do kind things for my partner or anyone i love and id hope that people i love will do the same for me. Period
Because tradwives want to be second to men. Less responsibility sadly...
If you don't serve your owner, then who will you serve? Your FICKLE mind.
We all serve something or someone whether we realize it or not.
I can do kind things for my partner or anyone i love and id hope that people i love will do the same for me" that's called serving...
In marriage both parties should be of service. Is that so egregious?
@ No i dont think so. But lets be honest. Someone has to wear the pants in the relationship and take charge when sh*t hits the fan.
How can you find a middle ground when only one group is welcoming to the other.
Yeah I know the feminists weren’t welcoming at all. Not that I agree with them on everything but the passive aggressiveness is ridiculous
@@dreamy.izzy26 It was the trad wives.
This was like a handmaid’s tale x euphoria crossover 😭😭
Also Siete was easily the most well spoken and made the best arguments. Jubilee should definitely bring her back more! The feminists overall made the strongest arguments between both sides in terms of freedom, autonomy and agency for women tbh.
They really said to my girl Jazmen "You're the oppressor" , "You Took that poor woman's husband" I can't.
Nahh Jubilee is messy for that 💀
Literally, this feels like theyre running out of ideas... Cause like what kind of productive discourse did they expect to get from this 💀
@@OscarGhost-wb1dz Honestly I didn’t say it in a bad way because I enjoy these vids 💀
Like they're messy bitches who live for drama😂@@ΗκαλήΧαμογελαστή
I’ve been out of the workforce for 2 years taking care of my children and just those two years of missing experience has made it so hard for me to get a job. I still haven’t found one. Before having my children I NEVER struggled to find a job. Anytime I interview they are impressed until they hear that I haven’t been working for the past two years…
My choices for career are now severely limited. Those tradwives are delusional if they think they wouldnt struggle to find a career should their husbands leave
Why would taking 2 years off from work matter that much? I don’t get it
@ I don’t get it either! If anything the experience of raising children has made me even more capable
You don’t need a career, a job is fine.
@@xxsupastarxxa job that would cover the cost of child care would do! Most “jobs” won’t do this. We have to remember that minimum wage jobs are designed for young students to get into the workforce, not for mothers to support their families.
The biggest OP of ANY marginalized group is a a member of that group with internalized hate. The audacity of that woman to say that other women put themselves at a INHERENT BIOLOGICAL disadvantage because of us find purpose in life beyond a partner and kids is insane. Women physicians push themselves extremely hard and outcomes show that female patients offered have better outcomes with female physicians. Insane.
Telling someone they should take their work to the “back alley” and that their line of work is causing marriage breakups is insane.
Middle Ground Idea: *Parents vs. Childfree*
Is it selfish to not want kids?
Can people without kids give parenting advice?
Should people receive tax breaks for being parents?
I would add the opposite of the first question. Is it selfish to want kids? Since having kids is perpetuating a part of you (your genes) and that in itself can be a "selfish" act.
I'm a tradwife who is atheist, would have loved to be on this panel
That’s a refreshing take, I actually would like to see someone who is a tradwife/SAHM who isn’t doing it due for religious reasons.
Out of genuine curiosity, why do you like the tradwife lifestyle?
Pick me.
@@BonazaiGirl thank you! I really value the lifestyle because I’ve seen firsthand the strength and stability it brought to my parents' marriage. Throughout the last 30+ years, my parents have a strong, loving dynamic where each of them played a distinct but equally important role. My mom focused on creating a warm, nurturing home, while my father provided for our family (while also being equally loving and nurturing to us), and together they built a foundation that allowed my brother and I to thrive. Their relationship was built on mutual respect, dedication, and shared values, and growing up in that environment showed me the beauty of a well-balanced, traditional household. Because of that, I appreciate the structure and deep sense of partnership that comes with embracing traditional roles in marriage. However, this is based solely on my experience and I understand the other side as well!
@@Angelaa66Thank you so much for answering me! This was insightful!
As a feminist, I’m all for housewives and the ability to choose one’s choice, and I’m sincerely glad your parents’ and your marriages are working well!
Now I really wished you were on that panel, that nuance would’ve really allowed for more perspectives.
@@BonazaiGirlyou're so welcome! I appreciate your wishes and I'm glad that you are accepting of our decisions and paths. Yeah I agree Jubilee's panel seems very one-sided sometimes
I’m six minutes into this and I don’t think I can watch anymore without throwing up 🥰
How come? Because the tradwives are disgusting?
why did they edit the woman's dress to be red in the thumbnail
Yeah, that’s weird
Every time the woman with the glasses and beige shirt talked my brain seized. That anyone could be so confidently wrong is disturbing. Also, just because she sucked at her job and turned to being a tradwife to make her feel better for that failure doesn't mean that other women need to do the same.
They needed more variation on the tradwife side. All of them being Christians is not realistic. There are Muslims traditional wives, Buddhist, atheists ect. There are many stay at home wives of different faiths.
I believe in Christ, a feminist, and I’m a housewife currently, but these women on the tradwife side are so narrow minded. I do not agree with their thoughts and logic, I am lucky I have a degree and my husband is supportive with kids and work. But please, girls you can do and be anything you want! I want my daughters to be able to feel capable to choose their path in life if possible. I will fully fight for women and my girls to not feel shamed, and live a life full. I wish they had just normal housewives interviewing because many of us do not think like this tradwife way. Many of us are well educated and know the nuances of people living and walking different paths and do not throw our beliefs in a diverse thinking society.
What if the husband makes the wrong choice? Do we just stand by as something rolls downhill?
What has been the successful leadership/family structure for humans through the ages? That structure has proven successful as demonstrated by our existence. It doesn’t work out for each individual for sure. But viability is selected for
Tradwives rely solely on religion for justification; I would have loved to see this debate without everything constantly being justified in its name.
I’m only 7 minutes in and this might change but I’m really loving the respectful tone of the questions instead of a hostile jabbing tone, you can share your thoughts without having to be rude 😊
What did you think post 7 mins
*JUBILEE REAL FANS ARE YOU HERE ?! 💖✨*
The husband should serve their husband, and the wife should serve their wife - marriage equality.
"I do get to say..." but at the end of the day, the decision is HIS. I'm not saying oh don't live that way, I'm saying she's being dishonest. In the end, if husband doesn't take her voice into account, per her logic, it doesn't matter. Because HE gets the final say. It's a yes or no. If he decides something, can she 'revoke' his choice?
In essence, one is a very strongly worded suggestion while the other is a command.
It’s not a partnership of equals, but a hierarchy.
I hate how disingenuous she was about that. It’s one thing if both parties are in agreement about if that’s how they want to operate, but she purposefully leaving out the fact that the relationship at its core doesn’t operate on people of equal standing.
@BonazaiGirl exactly..like girl if that's how you wanna live go for it. But stop being dishonest. You can give your counsel yes. But that's what the feminists are cautioning. If suppose her ideology was law he could in theory just be like sure. He could indirectly punish her for speaking up
I wish they had found some Christian feminists and some non-religious tradwives. There are many varieties of people on both sides.
It should be trad husbands debate feminists for their wives haha.
Loved the way Siete spoke !
I hate the phrase "men are stronger." There are all sorts of ways of defining the word "strength." Men are BRAWNIER. I find this word brawn really encapsulates the type of strength that men have "over" women. Women are not mentally weaker in any way, weaker in defending from disease - in fact, we can go longer without food and water, which is a strength. Etc., etc. It's complicated, not simple.
Physical Strenghts.
fr like WHO HAS PERIODS?! yeah I didn't think so.
@ Nah, not specific enough. Lots of things are physical. Women can bear as much pain as men, for as long. I don't think we can run fast for as long as men can, but we can run long-distance as long as men. Women can bear physical burdens as long as men, walk as long as men...lots of similar things. What do you have against "brawn"?
The brand of feminism that says women should all be working for a giant corporation, away from their kids, because all men will leave you, cheat on you etc is not truly in favour of women. I hope we all realize that. The brand of feminism in favour of choice and individual human rights is what I support. I don’t understand why people seem to be so confused about this.
The trad wives are experts at negotiating with someone you disagree with...no shock there 😂😂
Next topic: pro vs anti euthanasia
I’d be curious to know which women had stable households as children, with loving parents in the home. That will heavily shape their viewpoints.
That would be interesting.
In general you will likely find two common trends, by my understanding and experience:
Some will be copying their family of origin and others will be engaging in utter defiance and opposition to the way they grew up.
Me
the tradwives are going to be insuferable
There’s the possibility of both being insufferable 😂
No, the tradwives are going to be awesome.
@@CKyIe this comment is awesome
So far they seem pretty quiet
@@CKyIe cringe
I probably don't have enough strength to watch this in peace. 🙈
Vasopressin is literally for aggressive behavior how can you trust men if they are going to get mad about every little thing 7:03
feminists would agree that if you want to be a trad wife and you're happy then go for it, but trad wives just want women to solely submit to men is what I'm getting from this video.
Feminists despise trad wives
Not sure why people complain so much about these videos but still come every week to watch
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i am judging so hard a minute into the video
I at a 1 min 49 seconds and I already don't know how long I can make myself watch, esp after reading the comments
For years, new wave feminism made me feel bad for dropping out of college, getting married young, and having children before 21. I was constantly bombarded with questions like "when do you plan on going back to school?" "When are you going to continue your career?"
It led to me taking birth control for years which severely impacted me physically and mentally; and I eventually had a successful career but when I reached success, I realized a career and school will never give me the joy I get from being a wife and mother. I have been SO much happier since I have chosen to become a stay at home.
I'm not saying women shouldn't further their education or pursue careers, but since having daughters I have made it abundantly clear that if they choose to pursue a path as a homemaker, it is an incredibly important job and it's so fulfilling.
You can literally feel Kelsey reciting her brainwashing
Is Casey even breathing? Her face, shoulders, and chest are completely still like a robot
The tradwives got destroyed ; shouldn't be showed up.
was looking for a comment like this... the way she was twitching whenever somebody said something she disagreed with - yoh!!! 😭
When we talk about tradition? Who’s tradition are we talking about? In many global south countries there exists many matrilineal societies where women lead their communities and tribes so when we’re tradition we are talking about the tradition of white European oppression
You know the answer
well said
Westerm European treditional culture. This is a non-point. The vast majority of societies are patriarchal
Thanks for having the feminists on your show. The other side call themselves Christian but have such a selfish mindset. No one forcing them to give up their way of life. Why can’t they let all other woman decide to live their lives like they want to ? They speak from such a privileged position and leave out everyone who doesn’t have these privileges and needs this freedom of choice.
I hate the use of the word submission, like it's a competition for control 😂 a husband and wife should depend on each other. Codependency, communication, and autonomy are key in any relationship.
I will never be able to understand how some women deny themselves their own rights.
@@sodalindau8364 Unfortunately, it operates the same way how some black people are against their own interests or how some closeted gay/lesbian people rage against LGBTQ rights.
Internalized hatred is a terrible thing.
We have internalized misogyny from thousands of years of being disrespected and mistreated.
@@rainbowdropsrainbowdrops4546And you guys prove the point that feminism is not about "let women do what they want", but instead "we need to liberate women who have internalised patriarchy". What a setup...
"aS a ChRiStIAn WoMAn" not everyone is christain, and you shouldn't force your idea on others..tradewives need to just stay in the home like they want and leave other women alone
as a christian woman I agree with you
how’s she forcing her idea? dumbass atheist 💀
Did they put a gun in your head
@@Preciouu I’m also Christian, I’m glad at least some of us actually listened in Sunday school
Jubilee please do an Americans VS Europeans middle ground
There are so many different types of Americans and Europeans. This is waaaay too general.
@@kumaranvij Agree. This would have to be narrowed down by which country.
@@kumaranvijthey could take people from different parts of europe for example one from scandinavia, one from central europe, one from slavic countries etc. and same for americans!
“Take it to the back alley where it belongs.” BAHAHAHA OKAY. That’s a weird take
It's so nice to watch on the occasions you chose smart and courteous participants. A very informative discussion 👏👏👏👏
Siete is so well spoken.
why is it always this vs that? if a woman wants to be traditional let her be traditional, if she doesnt wanna be, she doesnt tf😭😭
I mean… that’s the point of the discussion. It’s Middle Ground.
Cuz its a debate
This was one of the most respectful videos of jubilee. I’m glad that the trad wives were not completely blind to the feelings and powers of women.
I’m a Christian female lead engineer who submits to her husband and my husband submits to me by loving me as Christ loved the church. We both bring in incomes . We both make decisions. We weigh the odds and go for the most logical approach. Y’all like to complicate the Christian life 😂😂😂 it’s not that deep guys breath !
the way most the time they didn’t even answer the questions when they feminists asked something
This is gonna ruin my Sunday
Then don’t watch it.
Are they truly trad wives if they’re making content, and making money through it? I thought one of the things they believe as trad wives is that the husband “provides” for them. But making content, and putting it on RUclips is a way to earn a living.
Exactly! None of these women are trad wives. They can never be with how advance our society is 🤦🏻♀️ you arnt a trad wife if you have a social media platform. You arnt a trad wife if you went to school and got your bachelors.
We really need new topics! I’d love to see autistic people vs ABA therapists
Why do people care so much about what others do with their body, or what people do with their personal life
It's no body business what you do with your body, who you date or sleep with
Because some of us belive in objective moral values independent of our opinions.
@@alienus9092
I don't care what people do with their body that included
Drugs, abortion, tattoos, vaccines, having sex with a lot of people or none, and so on
It doesn't affect me what they do with their body
@@alienus9092 That's cool and all, but your objective morals should be for you. Different people have different ideas of objectives morals.
Because CONTROL
you can't force your beliefs onto others lol @@alienus9092
As much as I am a Christian, I would’ve been interested to have seen at least 2 tradwives from a non Christian standpoint and from different backgrounds just to see a different pov.
“The” Ism yall are complaining about is capitalism, what else forced you from your homes to work
Kelsey is so insufferable...
"statistics show the more stressed a woman is the more likely she is to be anxious or depressed" YEA THAT'S KINDA HOW THAT WORKS???
I don’t think jubilee is capable of producing a full debate where race isn’t brought up in the conversation at least once.
Its a massive thing in America basically
@ yes I never thought my generation would become so obsessed with race.
@@swagdonor2357 Race plays a massive factor in people’s lives. A black person will experience life differently from a white person. A person who was raised in an Asian household will have a different perspective of someone raised in a Hispanic one.
And if we’re talking about politics and social issues? You better believe race and ethnicity will play a huge part in it. After all, it takes a willingness to choose to blind yourself to how race plays into the lives of those who are different from you.
@@BonazaiGirl we all know there are cultural differences in people. But does it need to be brought up in every single conversation? Is that really necessary? Does your skin color have to be your entire identity?
@@swagdonor2357 I’m going to assume you’re white, because as a black person, it plays a lot in how I’m treated, how I go about things, how I’m viewed, and my perspective on how the world operates.
In a discussion about feminism and tradwives, when intersectionality exists, it definitely plays a part.
“It’s not about dismantling the family “ ironically it did though