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PS6 will not use Zen 4 cores. Those are improved Zen 3 cores. They'll use either Zen 5 or 6 cores depending on the compute power being MCM or monolithic die. If they go MCM I have to think they use Zen 6 as the MCM architecture will be faster and console capable. Zen 5 MCM is basically the same as Zen 3/4. Considering how far out PS6 is I have to think they use Zen 6. TSMC 2nd gen N3 will cost less than 1st gen, be faster, be more power efficient, have better transistor density AND better defect rate. It's going to be a node that's on the market for a long time and cost will come down as it's cheaper even for TSMC to make. That particular node will give the type of density needed to boost GPU/AI power in a significant way along with the RT capability. However you throw a CPU into the mix and this is why MCM seems the way to go and why Zen 6 makes more sense.
ANYBODY that's got a reasonable amount of computer/console understanding can GUESS at the basic architecture of the PS6... it will be-> a) faster Zen-based CPU b) focus on path-tracing c) focus on improving PSSR (software and hardware) d) 2TB SSD again likely (vs PS5 PRO) e) 32GB shared memory You need backwards compatibility. You want older games to get to 60FPS+ and modern games to handle the path-tracing etc, so you need a big uplift in per-core CPU performance that's pretty easy to calculate actually. You've got a cost budget. You've got a power budget. Combine all of this and you can do a pretty darn good job of guesstimating. Short story? A faster version of the PS5 PRO with more main memory.
I heavily doubt it will have 32gb of vram. 24gb seems more likely. Also focusing on path tracing when consoles suck at basic raytracing is unrealistic.
PS5 would need a price cut + a new smaller profile right now. It''s just too dang big. I don't think PS6 would be too near, as if it is, then it would be huge in size.
This entire leak doesn't lineup timeline wise. With UdNa being the next architecture releasing in 2026 and Sony not releasing new hardware until 2028 it doesn't make any sense.
CONSOLE's are never identical anyway to a desktop/mobile GPU. NOR do we have access to where they are in design. Sony has access to AMD's internal roadmaps and they collaborate on creating a custom console architecture that utilizes the recent features as much as possible. NONE of this has to line up publicly. And Sony has to finalize the GPU design quite a long time before the first console is sold.
You never know, ps6 might launch in 2026/2027 as Xbox might be planning for next gen in 2026 as this gen didn't worked for them. So sony will want to be competitive unless the next gen Xbox makes no impact on the PS5.
Consoles don’t use cutting edge technology. Also if Sony wants to cut cost then being one GPU and CPU architecture behind and focusing on custom changes can really cut cost.
Remember a console does not need as much CPU as a PC because it does not need to run an operating system like windows or prioritise workstation like tasks. It's purely a gaming focused machine..
@@ZackSNetwork and i persnally think like unlike ps5 xboxseriesx cpu zen6 wont be that crazy of a uplift compared to them and a bit expensive too because it will made on cutting edge node so the trade of is perfect in this sense..... but the gpu needs to be cutting edge because the games are very much reliant of gpu these days and outliers like stalker series, kenshi , gta , reddeadredemption , flight simulator are very much reliant of cpu(gpu too because of peoples demand) .........
@@exoticspeedefy7916the last 2 gens have shown us they do need better CPU’s. Especially if players are demanding the new standard be 60 fps. Zen 4 won’t just be cheaper it will be straight outdated by then. They need at least Zen 5 but due to rising hardware manufacturing costs and the response to the pricing of the PS5 Pro, they may be trying to keep the price down. Especially if they see XBox as less of a threat to outdo. We’re going to end up with another floppy underpowered console gen again if they go this route.
A handheld PS5 would be a winner except for one problem: they can't make one that has a battery life measured in hours rather than minutes. As Paul mentioned, die shrinks aren't the option they once were. Making a PS5 on a process that allowed for power efficiency sufficient for a handheld would be extremely expensive because AMD has no interest in implementing ZEN 2 and RDNA 2 on more recent nodes, meaning Sony would have to entirely shoulder the cost. (Microsoft will almost certainly go the ARM route for their handheld for the same reason. They have plenty of experience with backward compatibility amid architecture changes on consoles, along with a considerable skill set from the PC side for running x86 on ARM where real-time emulation is sufficient. More demanding games will require a process similar to what Xbox 360 games went through to become x86 Xbox native.) Taking the Series S approach of starting with the PS6 SOC and cutting it down to be fully capable of emulating a PS5 or even PS5 Pro, with a small portion of PS6 enhancements for newer titles and those existing games the publishers are willing to upgrade. Since publishers will continue to support the PS5 well after the PS6 lunch, the handheld wouldn't lack for support. Perhaps there will be a debate as to whether it's better to treat it as an enhanced PS5 or a cut down PS6. The idea of using the handheld in conjunction with the PS6 for greater processing in a PS VR generation that can utilize both is intriguing. Harkens back to the dream scenarios Sony once had for the CELL processor.
Fp16 was not new im vega. What was new in vega was that fp16 and fp32 (and also fp8) could be mixed and match with out conversion. This remove the conversion overhead making use of fp16 way more favorable. Something that is a bit clunky othervice
The handheld will release during the PS5 generation and last halfway into the PS6. PSP and Vita were the same. PSP was back half of PS2; beginning of PS3. Vita was back half of PS3; beginning of PS4.
I got the 9800X3D with my coming up to 3 years old RX 6700XT right now, because I am future proofing myself, so the GPU I am wanting isn't out yet like the RX 9700 XT, or maybe Nvidia 5070 TI or 5080. Don't know yet what to get.
Do not support Nvidia ffs. Intel is going RIP at this rate as they are loosing on both sides of the war, nvidia is going to start entering the CPU/APU market soon. They are already a monopoly in the GPU side of things, if they conquer the CPU/APU side aswell, AMD will kick the bucket along with Intel and nvidia will be controlling both sides, which allows them FREE REIGN on pricing, this is bad for you and me going forward. Instead of paying 500 bucks for something that costs 300 bucks to create, you will be paying 900 bucks minimum if they wish to do so. Actually the war is on 3 fronts, technology (ai), cpu and GPU. Nvidia is winning on 2 fronts right now and they are doing so by a big shot, the GPU front, AMD has good/better offers for value but people keep denying, which is bad for competition. Take a look at what they (nvidia) have done in these last 2 generations and what they are doing in the upcoming one, they are literally MANIPULATING the entire lineup to make it so that the top tier card is the best value going forward, while also increasing prices every generation. Remember when a RTX 2060 had performance that almost matched a 1080ti in some games? Nowadays you can even see the RTX 2060 outperforming the 1080ti in newer games, the 2060 was a LOW TO MID range GPU that was performing just as good as the previous top tier card. RTX 3060 was a small improvement but doubled on memory (it is similar to what the 2060S was with small improvements), this card should have performed closer to what the 3060ti did in reality, yet they did this... The rest of the lineup was more or less good, just lacking VRAM to keep the GPUs future proof. A RTX 3070 for example is a great card but 8GB VRAM is a big NOPE. This VRAM issue continues to exist right now on nvidia and will continue for the 5000 lineup. Unless you buy a super/ti variant with extra VRAM or the highest end card available (which means you are agreeing with the changes nvidia is doing that are anti consumer, while also agreeing them to have a monopoly on all fronts going forward). RTX 4000 lineup. The entire lineup was a scam, they tried to scam people early on with the RTX 4070 vs RTX 4080 (which they are doing AGAIN with the 5000 lineup). Their intention was to nerf the lineup and create a big gap between 4080 and 4090, and increase the gap even more on the 5000 series, and again on the 6000 series, it will reach a point where the ##80 card will be 2x slower than a ##90 card of the same generation., let's say the ##80 card is now costing 1500 USD MSRP, then it means they can ask, like 2900 USD MSRP for a ##90 card if it offers 2x performance. How do i know this? AMD has already given up on battling for high end cards, this means nvidia has complete control now for that, which means gamers will now have to decide between being scammed by nvidia or accepting AMD and helping them out take a slice of the market. That slice being the low to mid range slice. AMD has it is, will be competing against ##80 cards going forward, even if they surpass ##80 cards, nvidia is way ahead in performance and technology, this continue to give them power to control the market as they see fit. My sincere advice is that you keep using the 6700XT untill the RX 8000 series is released, and then decide to buy one of those cards or buy a 7000 series on discount. RX 8000 will offer similar performance to value as 7000 series, but will improve efficiency and technology (RT, AI, etc). If you want better technology, then perhaps you should aim for the best RX 8000 card, which i believe is going to be like a RX 8800 or XT variant, which will perform close to the 7900 XTX while offercing improvements overall, for less cost.
We've only just had the PS5 Pro, so basically 2025, meaning the PS6 won't be until at least 2028 and with Zen 6 coming probably 2026 we will be closer to Zen 7 then anything else, but either way the story of it being either Zen 4 or Zen 5 is total BS.
I think Zen 6 + UDNA 1 is for the *Dev kit* for the PS6 if the PS6 is a 2028 or later launch (if Trump 2.0 goes for full universal tariffs then I suspect Sony & MS will wait until Spring of 2029 and price their consoles accordingly if tariffs under a new POTUS gets reversed) and other stuff like 4GB/32Gb GDDR7 Module avaliability meaning 32GB for a 256-bit bus, or 320-bits having 40GB (especially if the PS6-PS7 Gap is 10 years). I mean a 2028+ PS6 is probably more Zen 7 & UDNA 2 than 2+ year old architectures.
Or they simply do the manufacturing in a place not subject to the tariffs. Much of manufacturing is already leaving China as the advantages it once offered fade.
@@lokidoki525 if they can manage to shrink 450 watts peak down to 125 watts for an igpu with reasonnable watt per hour system ( less than 300 watts for the whole build ) , sure ^^
I just hope everyone realizes that the next PlayStation is NOT going to come under the PS5 Pros $699 price point. Gamers might as well get that through their heads.
After spending $725.00 including the tax in the price for a new ps5 PRO, the playstation 6 better release in 2029 so Sony doesn’t sell me a console with old Pcu and Gpu. That console have to have a RTX 5080 and a ryzen 98003D. The PSSR SHOULD BE PERFECT. I feel scammed with the ps5 PRO THE pro stands for personal regret only.
A beast 😂 yeah okay we heard the same about the 5 pro & it turns out a mid range 3070 from 2020 comfortably beats it in ray tracing, and a 6800 non xt beats it in raster performance.
Doubt they will use the top die and challenge a high end UDNA and Zen 6 PC, maybe at value but not performance. Unless you are talking about current high end, then I agree.
@Javier64691 if it's able to challenge current high end (today's) with improved raytracing and pathtracing, future console owners are going to be VERY, VERY immersed
Didn't you say the PS5 is a 33 teraflop beast that rivels a 7900xtx?! Turned out to be a RX 6800xt rival with decent ray tracing, great console, but what you're describing is a $1000 machine that is fairly unrealistic
Quite an informative video as always.Regarding the possibility of a Sony PlayStation 7,I think there will be one and it will be a standalone console.As you are aware the current problem with video game streaming is latency.Although latency can be reduced to the point where it is no longer a hindrance in fast paced games.Having a steaming only limits the console/platforms viability in countries that do not have high broadband penetration.Therefore causing the quality of gaming to vary significantly.A key tenant in consumer psychology is to find a niche/market segment and dominate it.Thus Sony will not abandon making PlayStation consoles.
I have a feeling that the PS6 controller will work on PS3. Like the DualShock 4 and DualSense. I use name PS6 controller, since I don’t know what Sony will call it and it could possibly do what the DualSense can’t do.
How much will it cost though. What range gpu will it be? What zen6 cpu exactly? Comment section already assuming wayy too much. All zen cpus have TIERS. 5, 7, and 9. Which one they choose will determine the price. Then we can talk about how much they can be compared to a pc. A zen 6 ryzen 5 is not gonna touch a zen 5 Ryzen 9. Not happening.
How long till PS6 Pro!!!??? Are we expecting a Portal 2 LOL or is the Portal 2 now apart of the Vita 2!!??? Also now that i remember there was something mentioned about PSVR3 or PSVR 2 being powered FROM the handheld PS Vita 2 or whatever you want to call it!!?? PS WILL dominate now that XBX are more or less out of the gaming landscape LOL not sure if we'll see a completely EVIL empire Sony now!!? I also reckon Sonys next handheld WILL be too much of a competitor for Nintendo!!!
Yeah I don't think we're gonna have a PS6 PRO, more like straight jump to PS7 tecnology is evolving very fast and it's gonna evolve even faster later 2030's
ahh yes another expensive piece of tech that will probably yet again have 0 games and if it does its refreshed IP's maybe...another Remaster-Remaster-Remaster of The Last of Us Part 1-2...maybe just maybe make some new IP's or revisit old ones...oh i know Jack and Daxter franchise, maybe the insane back catalog of ps2 titles that could be redone and up to date the list goes on! idk maybe put Bloodborn on damn PC already at 60 FPS and Remake The Legend of Dragoon...to name a few more.
When will they come out with a real console? A competition console for say $4000 plus. Which has support for 3 screens and perfect for simulator games and with which you compete even in the Olympics and World Cup in the context of various E sport games. I bought the day the PS1 was released and so disappointed. Didn't buy 2 and 3 because so pathetically bad. Bought the 4 and used it for 30 min and gave it away. 5 also not something to have. I want something really good that is ready and better a PC for $4000 plus. I had more fun with Commendor 64 and Amiga 500 than I had with TV consoles. Sega had one and one tennis game I liked. The rest was and is pure crap. It is only now with asseto corsa evo where graphics and quality start to resemble something. I have waited 40 years for this. Can ps6 come support for 3 screens and asseto corsa evo? Avoiding the hassle of PC is tempting. But will never happen when you only think of all the people who are happy with shit and they are the big crowd to suck the money from easily. As with the movies just the same rubbish now for 20 years. Superman and the Hulk and other rubbish the masses like, i.e. teenagers without taste and left because of their novelty appeal and low IQ.
It will be underpowered compared to pc like always. 🤷♂️ Look at the PS5, it released with a mid range zen2 cpu and 4 years later that thing is already 3 generations behind and completely obsolete for current games.
Kepler says the handheld is a subPS6 wtf. I thought Sony would use PS5 chip for the handheld (at 2nm maybe) and call it PS5portable, so it would run PS5 games natively and would support most games from PS6 gen
@@rwells3325 Why is it not sensible? You don't reckon PS5 performance will be achievable in a handheld by 2028? Intel's Lunar lake achieves about 80% of the performance of an Xbox series S at 17w. In another 4 years PS5 performance shouldn't be too far fetched.
@@rwells3325 ok maybe 2nm Is too optimistic, i googled 2nm and its said to consume 75% less than 7nm, that would still be +50w But maybe Sony makes it "less portable" and its big as a portal but way thicker, or maybe Sony wait till 1.6nm or later
yeah 8K is the absolute resolution to the human eye, we don't need more than that. But HZ yeah we can definitely take advantage of even 8000 HZ even more ...
Sick of hearing about console Ray tracing. It won't do it, it can't do it. The only GPU's that can do proper Ray tracing at 60+ fps is the 4080 and 4090 yes you can run lighter ray tracing loads on lower end Nvidia and AMD cards, what's the point when the difference in RT shadows is barely noticable. In 2028 as the demands get higher, we will be in the exact spot with Ray tracing on console. Non existent, or games ruinning at 720p 30fps just to promote a shite feature. There's one game and one game only where the difference is transformative and it's Cyberpunk 2077. The rest are subjective improvments and some even downgrade the visuals as it goes against the artisic vision. The idea of Ray tracing is beautiful, the actual implementation since it's inception is pathetic. FPS/Image quality > Ray tracing.
PRICE of the PS5 PRO will have no bearing on the price of the PS6. Sony has to crunch the numbers, like always, to figure out what gives them maximum profit. There will still be an XBOX and there is still PC gaming and other console alternatives. The average person isn't going to suddenly be more receptive of higher prices just because the PS5 PRO is expensive. More concerning is the Trump Administration relating to Tariffs, general incompetence and the inevitable mishandling of Ukraine that is likely to lead to a massive recession.
*$700 Mainline consoles are priced at cost or at a loss. Therefore the price of a ps6 will be based on component prices, not mid gen optional upgrades.
@@mrsock9135False because the PS4 Pro was $400 and the regular PS4 slim was $300. Prices will either stay the same or go up. So a PS6 being $700 to $800 is a given.
That price is never going down. Forget about having ps6 at less than $899.99, €899.99, £899.99. Especially if it releases at the end of the decade from 2027-2030. The further the release date from now, the more expensive it will be. A release in 2028 will surely mean prices up to $1000. A release in 2029 will shoot it’s price to more than 1k.
A PC can survive much longer than a console, playing next gen games. And by todays standards, you can achieve a pc of similar/relative performance much earlier than in the past. I've seen prebuilt systems costing less than 600€ that had better CPUs, 16gb ram and GPUs like rtx 3060, RX 6600XT or regular 6600. Any of these can keep up with current consoles. I'm using a 1080ti and a r5 5600g cpu with 32gb ddr4 ram, my build is more than enough to survive this generation. I was using a i7-3770k with 16gb ddr3 ram but mobo and ram started going RIP after 10 years of using them, so i had to rebuild. My intention was to stretch that i7 and 16gb to 2027. Of course the CPU was bad, as it would ruin some of the new games that are CPU focused. -Games on a console cost way more than on PC, specially digital ones. -Pay to play online. -Less games to choose from, on pc you have way too many free to play games to choose from, it's similar to what you can find on a mobile phone. -No access to game mods, there are a lot of games that have their life extended based on mods, which are on PC only. -No access to work apps, a gaming rig can do both gaming and work related stuff. On a console, you won't be able to do any of that. -PC have evolved to be more than just desktop or laptop, they now also come in handheld format and are EXTREMELLY EFFICIENT for performance delivered. * *This evolution is something i wanted to see from consoles, them stepping out of their comfort zone and making consoles more PC BASED. Like using steamOS to run games in gaming mode but giving the users the option to go into desktop mode and allow them to mess around and add things to the device that the gaming mode does not allow. Consoles need to become like this, allowing us to use PC apps on console, full support of mouse and keyboard is necessary too. This is their biggest potential as gaming systems, to simplify things for everyone but also allowing freedom to mess around as if it was a PC. This is why PC handhelds are king right now, they are partially like consoles but function as full on PCs. Limited systems are never the future in current day standards, the first brand to risk it all is the one that will take the advantage of pc gamers early. A "console" that functions like a PC, if they kept similar pricing, it would be a great purchase, consoles are usually great value if bought at MSRP in the first 2 years, after that, you are being ripped off. This is not including any of the additional factors like games, services, etc.
That hasn't been true for quite some time now thanks to how much more power PC GPUs and CPUs can use these days, while consoles are still limited to 200-300W machines. The gap between PCs and consoles have only widened with time.
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This dude is a clown and a liar close your channel pony 😂
Your stupid if you think the next-generation hardware will be more powerful than the next xbox
PS6 will not use Zen 4 cores. Those are improved Zen 3 cores. They'll use either Zen 5 or 6 cores depending on the compute power being MCM or monolithic die. If they go MCM I have to think they use Zen 6 as the MCM architecture will be faster and console capable. Zen 5 MCM is basically the same as Zen 3/4. Considering how far out PS6 is I have to think they use Zen 6.
TSMC 2nd gen N3 will cost less than 1st gen, be faster, be more power efficient, have better transistor density AND better defect rate. It's going to be a node that's on the market for a long time and cost will come down as it's cheaper even for TSMC to make. That particular node will give the type of density needed to boost GPU/AI power in a significant way along with the RT capability. However you throw a CPU into the mix and this is why MCM seems the way to go and why Zen 6 makes more sense.
In February the PS5 Pro will cost $1100 so be prepared for that. Add $130 to the PS5 consumer price. No change on American products in Price.
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ANYBODY that's got a reasonable amount of computer/console understanding can GUESS at the basic architecture of the PS6... it will be->
a) faster Zen-based CPU
b) focus on path-tracing
c) focus on improving PSSR (software and hardware)
d) 2TB SSD again likely (vs PS5 PRO)
e) 32GB shared memory
You need backwards compatibility. You want older games to get to 60FPS+ and modern games to handle the path-tracing etc, so you need a big uplift in per-core CPU performance that's pretty easy to calculate actually.
You've got a cost budget.
You've got a power budget.
Combine all of this and you can do a pretty darn good job of guesstimating. Short story? A faster version of the PS5 PRO with more main memory.
I heavily doubt it will have 32gb of vram. 24gb seems more likely. Also focusing on path tracing when consoles suck at basic raytracing is unrealistic.
I'd imagine it'll be marketed much like the PS5 and 8K. Mostly just fluff.@@ZackSNetwork
@@ZackSNetwork I believe RGT has stated before that RNDA 5/UDNA will have brand new RT architecture. With much better performance
@@ZackSNetwork If we use 24 GB than it's not a jump in generations. Even PS5 uses 16 GB double from previous generations.
PS5 would need a price cut + a new smaller profile right now. It''s just too dang big. I don't think PS6 would be too near, as if it is, then it would be huge in size.
This entire leak doesn't lineup timeline wise. With UdNa being the next architecture releasing in 2026 and Sony not releasing new hardware until 2028 it doesn't make any sense.
CONSOLE's are never identical anyway to a desktop/mobile GPU. NOR do we have access to where they are in design. Sony has access to AMD's internal roadmaps and they collaborate on creating a custom console architecture that utilizes the recent features as much as possible.
NONE of this has to line up publicly. And Sony has to finalize the GPU design quite a long time before the first console is sold.
You never know, ps6 might launch in 2026/2027 as Xbox might be planning for next gen in 2026 as this gen didn't worked for them. So sony will want to be competitive unless the next gen Xbox makes no impact on the PS5.
@@shoaibhathe ps6 launch is more like 2027/2028, the next xbox is probably a hybrid pc/console
Consoles don’t use cutting edge technology. Also if Sony wants to cut cost then being one GPU and CPU architecture behind and focusing on custom changes can really cut cost.
@ZackSNetwork they also don't use 2 year old tech either!
Zen 4 or 5 !?!? That will be ancient by 2028. Let's get atleast Zen 6 c'mon now.
Consoles don’t use cutting edge technology so stop being delusional.
Remember a console does not need as much CPU as a PC because it does not need to run an operating system like windows or prioritise workstation like tasks. It's purely a gaming focused machine..
@@ZackSNetwork and i persnally think like unlike ps5 xboxseriesx cpu zen6 wont be that crazy of a uplift compared to them and a bit expensive too because it will made on cutting edge node so the trade of is perfect in this sense..... but the gpu needs to be cutting edge because the games are very much reliant of gpu these days and outliers like stalker series, kenshi , gta , reddeadredemption , flight simulator are very much reliant of cpu(gpu too because of peoples demand) .........
@@exoticspeedefy7916the last 2 gens have shown us they do need better CPU’s. Especially if players are demanding the new standard be 60 fps. Zen 4 won’t just be cheaper it will be straight outdated by then. They need at least Zen 5 but due to rising hardware manufacturing costs and the response to the pricing of the PS5 Pro, they may be trying to keep the price down. Especially if they see XBox as less of a threat to outdo. We’re going to end up with another floppy underpowered console gen again if they go this route.
@@ZackSNetwork RDNA 2 debuted on consoles before PC'S
26:07 Sony has filed trademarks for 6,7,8,9, and 10, as of 2019.
A handheld PS5 would be a winner except for one problem: they can't make one that has a battery life measured in hours rather than minutes. As Paul mentioned, die shrinks aren't the option they once were. Making a PS5 on a process that allowed for power efficiency sufficient for a handheld would be extremely expensive because AMD has no interest in implementing ZEN 2 and RDNA 2 on more recent nodes, meaning Sony would have to entirely shoulder the cost. (Microsoft will almost certainly go the ARM route for their handheld for the same reason. They have plenty of experience with backward compatibility amid architecture changes on consoles, along with a considerable skill set from the PC side for running x86 on ARM where real-time emulation is sufficient. More demanding games will require a process similar to what Xbox 360 games went through to become x86 Xbox native.)
Taking the Series S approach of starting with the PS6 SOC and cutting it down to be fully capable of emulating a PS5 or even PS5 Pro, with a small portion of PS6 enhancements for newer titles and those existing games the publishers are willing to upgrade. Since publishers will continue to support the PS5 well after the PS6 lunch, the handheld wouldn't lack for support. Perhaps there will be a debate as to whether it's better to treat it as an enhanced PS5 or a cut down PS6.
The idea of using the handheld in conjunction with the PS6 for greater processing in a PS VR generation that can utilize both is intriguing. Harkens back to the dream scenarios Sony once had for the CELL processor.
Fp16 was not new im vega. What was new in vega was that fp16 and fp32 (and also fp8) could be mixed and match with out conversion.
This remove the conversion overhead making use of fp16 way more favorable. Something that is a bit clunky othervice
The handheld will release during the PS5 generation and last halfway into the PS6. PSP and Vita were the same. PSP was back half of PS2; beginning of PS3. Vita was back half of PS3; beginning of PS4.
I got the 9800X3D with my coming up to 3 years old RX 6700XT right now, because I am future proofing myself, so the GPU I am wanting isn't out yet like the RX 9700 XT, or maybe Nvidia 5070 TI or 5080. Don't know yet what to get.
Do not support Nvidia ffs.
Intel is going RIP at this rate as they are loosing on both sides of the war, nvidia is going to start entering the CPU/APU market soon. They are already a monopoly in the GPU side of things, if they conquer the CPU/APU side aswell, AMD will kick the bucket along with Intel and nvidia will be controlling both sides, which allows them FREE REIGN on pricing, this is bad for you and me going forward. Instead of paying 500 bucks for something that costs 300 bucks to create, you will be paying 900 bucks minimum if they wish to do so. Actually the war is on 3 fronts, technology (ai), cpu and GPU. Nvidia is winning on 2 fronts right now and they are doing so by a big shot, the GPU front, AMD has good/better offers for value but people keep denying, which is bad for competition.
Take a look at what they (nvidia) have done in these last 2 generations and what they are doing in the upcoming one, they are literally MANIPULATING the entire lineup to make it so that the top tier card is the best value going forward, while also increasing prices every generation.
Remember when a RTX 2060 had performance that almost matched a 1080ti in some games? Nowadays you can even see the RTX 2060 outperforming the 1080ti in newer games, the 2060 was a LOW TO MID range GPU that was performing just as good as the previous top tier card. RTX 3060 was a small improvement but doubled on memory (it is similar to what the 2060S was with small improvements), this card should have performed closer to what the 3060ti did in reality, yet they did this... The rest of the lineup was more or less good, just lacking VRAM to keep the GPUs future proof. A RTX 3070 for example is a great card but 8GB VRAM is a big NOPE. This VRAM issue continues to exist right now on nvidia and will continue for the 5000 lineup. Unless you buy a super/ti variant with extra VRAM or the highest end card available (which means you are agreeing with the changes nvidia is doing that are anti consumer, while also agreeing them to have a monopoly on all fronts going forward).
RTX 4000 lineup. The entire lineup was a scam, they tried to scam people early on with the RTX 4070 vs RTX 4080 (which they are doing AGAIN with the 5000 lineup). Their intention was to nerf the lineup and create a big gap between 4080 and 4090, and increase the gap even more on the 5000 series, and again on the 6000 series, it will reach a point where the ##80 card will be 2x slower than a ##90 card of the same generation., let's say the ##80 card is now costing 1500 USD MSRP, then it means they can ask, like 2900 USD MSRP for a ##90 card if it offers 2x performance. How do i know this? AMD has already given up on battling for high end cards, this means nvidia has complete control now for that, which means gamers will now have to decide between being scammed by nvidia or accepting AMD and helping them out take a slice of the market. That slice being the low to mid range slice. AMD has it is, will be competing against ##80 cards going forward, even if they surpass ##80 cards, nvidia is way ahead in performance and technology, this continue to give them power to control the market as they see fit.
My sincere advice is that you keep using the 6700XT untill the RX 8000 series is released, and then decide to buy one of those cards or buy a 7000 series on discount. RX 8000 will offer similar performance to value as 7000 series, but will improve efficiency and technology (RT, AI, etc). If you want better technology, then perhaps you should aim for the best RX 8000 card, which i believe is going to be like a RX 8800 or XT variant, which will perform close to the 7900 XTX while offercing improvements overall, for less cost.
5070 Ti 8gb
5080 10gb 😂
That's what worries me, last time I picked a GPU is for vram and don't need less than 12GB so looking for 16GB or 20GB so maybe AMD again.
We've only just had the PS5 Pro, so basically 2025, meaning the PS6 won't be until at least 2028 and with Zen 6 coming probably 2026 we will be closer to Zen 7 then anything else, but either way the story of it being either Zen 4 or Zen 5 is total BS.
Ps6 will be 2026/2027
Ye PS5 pro most likely marking the midpoint
PS6 will launch late ‘28 at the earliest. I wouldn’t expect it to sport a CPU design from mid ‘24 or earlier…
I think Zen 6 + UDNA 1 is for the *Dev kit* for the PS6 if the PS6 is a 2028 or later launch (if Trump 2.0 goes for full universal tariffs then I suspect Sony & MS will wait until Spring of 2029 and price their consoles accordingly if tariffs under a new POTUS gets reversed) and other stuff like 4GB/32Gb GDDR7 Module avaliability meaning 32GB for a 256-bit bus, or 320-bits having 40GB (especially if the PS6-PS7 Gap is 10 years). I mean a 2028+ PS6 is probably more Zen 7 & UDNA 2 than 2+ year old architectures.
Or they simply do the manufacturing in a place not subject to the tariffs. Much of manufacturing is already leaving China as the advantages it once offered fade.
RDNA was much more efficient for gaming than GCN. I hope this isn't a step backwards
Zen 6 cpu 😮
I hope the ps6 will have the path tracing support🤞
rx 7900 gre in raster and rtx 5080 in rt perf , mark my word
Path tracing would be nice for the PS6. But getting games to 60FPS is also good 👍
Ps6 will be rtx 4090 equivalent when it launches. It is on rdna 5 or 6. @@jeofthevirtuoussand
@@lokidoki525 if they can manage to shrink 450 watts peak down to 125 watts for an igpu with reasonnable watt per hour system ( less than 300 watts for the whole build ) , sure ^^
@@marcosalvarez5712i would like this 2 mode, 60 fps performance ray tracing 2k and a quality mode with 30fps path tracing 4k👍😉
UDNA GPU for the PS6 and PSSR 2.0 for that 60FPS or 120FPS will be nice 👍.
2026 and 3nm don't expect a beast 20/26 teraflop max. More close 20
I just hope everyone realizes that the next PlayStation is NOT going to come under the PS5 Pros $699 price point.
Gamers might as well get that through their heads.
Im thinking it will be more like 799-899 range tbh....
Shh its always funny seeing the look on their faces when they see the price😂
After spending $725.00 including the tax in the price for a new ps5 PRO, the playstation 6 better release in 2029 so Sony doesn’t sell me a console with old Pcu and Gpu. That console have to have a RTX 5080 and a ryzen 98003D. The PSSR SHOULD BE PERFECT. I feel scammed with the ps5 PRO THE pro stands for personal regret only.
The PS5 Pro didn’t fully live up to the hype but pssr is dope so far but needs to be cheaper and improve
A beast 😂 yeah okay we heard the same about the 5 pro & it turns out a mid range 3070 from 2020 comfortably beats it in ray tracing, and a 6800 non xt beats it in raster performance.
Zen6 and Udna will finally have a console truly challenge a top end pc
only for one or two years before zen 7 and udna 2 come to pc
Itll challenge a midrange PC for a year or two
Doubt they will use the top die and challenge a high end UDNA and Zen 6 PC, maybe at value but not performance. Unless you are talking about current high end, then I agree.
@Javier64691 if it's able to challenge current high end (today's) with improved raytracing and pathtracing, future console owners are going to be VERY, VERY immersed
Hopefully the ps6 will be able to handle quick resume feature for games
playstation 6 = gta 6
but it will release on ps5 😅
they can not wait to sell you ps5 version, ps5 pro version, pc version and ps6 version too
@@evilsatoriiall of them at $69.99 too
2030.... Not really
@@davidvillamarin-lj2pf ps 6 will be out by the end of 2027 and so it is very likely that there will be ps 6 version of gta 6
You said this about the ps5 and the ps5 pro you dip $h!t
Didn't you say the PS5 is a 33 teraflop beast that rivels a 7900xtx?! Turned out to be a RX 6800xt rival with decent ray tracing, great console, but what you're describing is a $1000 machine that is fairly unrealistic
I wouldn’t be surprised if they drop this sooner cause the pro was definitely a quick release
Starts 4:20….. lord have mercy
You can listen to Paulo @ 1.25 speed, and it still sounds normal (not sped up). He talks slow and rambles a lot.
Quite an informative video as always.Regarding the possibility of a Sony PlayStation 7,I think there will be one and it will be a standalone console.As you are aware the current problem with video game streaming is latency.Although latency can be reduced to the point where it is no longer a hindrance in fast paced games.Having a steaming only limits the console/platforms viability in countries that do not have high broadband penetration.Therefore causing the quality of gaming to vary significantly.A key tenant in consumer psychology is to find a niche/market segment and dominate it.Thus Sony will not abandon making PlayStation consoles.
I have a feeling that the PS6 controller will work on PS3. Like the DualShock 4 and DualSense. I use name PS6 controller, since I don’t know what Sony will call it and it could possibly do what the DualSense can’t do.
haptic sticks and buttons.......
It's gonna be very expensive. Even with Sony subsidizing it
How much will it cost though. What range gpu will it be? What zen6 cpu exactly?
Comment section already assuming wayy too much.
All zen cpus have TIERS. 5, 7, and 9. Which one they choose will determine the price. Then we can talk about how much they can be compared to a pc.
A zen 6 ryzen 5 is not gonna touch a zen 5 Ryzen 9. Not happening.
Sony should use Optical ram.
How long till PS6 Pro!!!??? Are we expecting a Portal 2 LOL or is the Portal 2 now apart of the Vita 2!!??? Also now that i remember there was something mentioned about PSVR3 or PSVR 2 being powered FROM the handheld PS Vita 2 or whatever you want to call it!!??
PS WILL dominate now that XBX are more or less out of the gaming landscape LOL not sure if we'll see a completely EVIL empire Sony now!!?
I also reckon Sonys next handheld WILL be too much of a competitor for Nintendo!!!
Late 2027 or 2028 most likely
Will still only last for 3 to 4 years, then a Pro model will be needed
Didn't even talk about reprogrammable shaders or the redesign in chiplets, smh
not this channel back with the completely fake leaks
we basically got the idea
Wait for the ps6 pro [what the base ps6 should've been from the jump]
Yeah I don't think we're gonna have a PS6 PRO, more like straight jump to PS7 tecnology is evolving very fast and it's gonna evolve even faster later 2030's
ahh yes another expensive piece of tech that will probably yet again have 0 games and if it does its refreshed IP's maybe...another Remaster-Remaster-Remaster of The Last of Us Part 1-2...maybe just maybe make some new IP's or revisit old ones...oh i know Jack and Daxter franchise, maybe the insane back catalog of ps2 titles that could be redone and up to date the list goes on!
idk maybe put Bloodborn on damn PC already at 60 FPS and Remake The Legend of Dragoon...to name a few more.
When will they come out with a real console? A competition console for say $4000 plus. Which has support for 3 screens and perfect for simulator games and with which you compete even in the Olympics and World Cup in the context of various E sport games. I bought the day the PS1 was released and so disappointed. Didn't buy 2 and 3 because so pathetically bad. Bought the 4 and used it for 30 min and gave it away. 5 also not something to have. I want something really good that is ready and better a PC for $4000 plus.
I had more fun with Commendor 64 and Amiga 500 than I had with TV consoles. Sega had one and one tennis game I liked. The rest was and is pure crap. It is only now with asseto corsa evo where graphics and quality start to resemble something. I have waited 40 years for this. Can ps6 come support for 3 screens and asseto corsa evo? Avoiding the hassle of PC is tempting. But will never happen when you only think of all the people who are happy with shit and they are the big crowd to suck the money from easily. As with the movies just the same rubbish now for 20 years. Superman and the Hulk and other rubbish the masses like, i.e. teenagers without taste and left because of their novelty appeal and low IQ.
It will be underpowered compared to pc like always. 🤷♂️
Look at the PS5, it released with a mid range zen2 cpu and 4 years later that thing is already 3 generations behind and completely obsolete for current games.
"this is an Xbox' lol
Kepler says the handheld is a subPS6 wtf.
I thought Sony would use PS5 chip for the handheld (at 2nm maybe) and call it PS5portable, so it would run PS5 games natively and would support most games from PS6 gen
That's not sensible. How much battery life would a ps5 combo pull. Most handhelds run off of chips that are 10 to 30 watts
Because.. marketing.
@@rwells3325 Why is it not sensible? You don't reckon PS5 performance will be achievable in a handheld by 2028? Intel's Lunar lake achieves about 80% of the performance of an Xbox series S at 17w. In another 4 years PS5 performance shouldn't be too far fetched.
@@Tech-is1xy yeah... but if it has 6 in the name it should run PS6 games, and with AAA games it will be imposible later in the gen.
@@rwells3325 ok maybe 2nm Is too optimistic, i googled 2nm and its said to consume 75% less than 7nm, that would still be +50w
But maybe Sony makes it "less portable" and its big as a portal but way thicker, or maybe Sony wait till 1.6nm or later
God damn sponsored spots long af
But can it run Crysis?
Will PS6 be faster than a rtx4090?
Probably not but close enough
hardware will not matter too much on next GEN, it's just about how well they're gonna implement PSSR 2 and AI in general
Probably have 24k and 400hz on box
The human eye can't detect that, we have to research b4 they pray off our ignorance
yeah 8K is the absolute resolution to the human eye, we don't need more than that. But HZ yeah we can definitely take advantage of even 8000 HZ even more ...
PS6: A 30FPS BEAST 🤣🤣🤣
30 FPS in 2028 is crazy... even in 8K that's wild.
11 minutes to get to the point.....😖
Slobbing on the PlayStation knob as usual
Sick of hearing about console Ray tracing. It won't do it, it can't do it. The only GPU's that can do proper Ray tracing at 60+ fps is the 4080 and 4090 yes you can run lighter ray tracing loads on lower end Nvidia and AMD cards, what's the point when the difference in RT shadows is barely noticable. In 2028 as the demands get higher, we will be in the exact spot with Ray tracing on console. Non existent, or games ruinning at 720p 30fps just to promote a shite feature.
There's one game and one game only where the difference is transformative and it's Cyberpunk 2077. The rest are subjective improvments and some even downgrade the visuals as it goes against the artisic vision.
The idea of Ray tracing is beautiful, the actual implementation since it's inception is pathetic. FPS/Image quality > Ray tracing.
There is no rdna 5😂. Only udna. Try better next time
Because of those clueless fanboys who threw $900 at that overpriced trash, don’t expect a console to be under 1k anymore.
PRICE of the PS5 PRO will have no bearing on the price of the PS6. Sony has to crunch the numbers, like always, to figure out what gives them maximum profit. There will still be an XBOX and there is still PC gaming and other console alternatives.
The average person isn't going to suddenly be more receptive of higher prices just because the PS5 PRO is expensive.
More concerning is the Trump Administration relating to Tariffs, general incompetence and the inevitable mishandling of Ukraine that is likely to lead to a massive recession.
*$700
Mainline consoles are priced at cost or at a loss. Therefore the price of a ps6 will be based on component prices, not mid gen optional upgrades.
@@mrsock9135False because the PS4 Pro was $400 and the regular PS4 slim was $300. Prices will either stay the same or go up. So a PS6 being $700 to $800 is a given.
That price is never going down. Forget about having ps6 at less than $899.99, €899.99, £899.99. Especially if it releases at the end of the decade from 2027-2030. The further the release date from now, the more expensive it will be. A release in 2028 will surely mean prices up to $1000. A release in 2029 will shoot it’s price to more than 1k.
Moved on fast from the pro i see. When will the fake console hype just die. Consoles are weak by nature. Thats why they are consoles
Paying thousands of dollars for a top end gaming pc now only to have it outmatched by a $500/600 console a few years later…
False next generation consoles are always on par with 4 year old top end gaming PC’s. A Titan Xp and i7 6900K match the PS5 and Series X.
Console fanboy babble....it'll be 3 more console gens before a PS/XBOX even comes close to current gen GPUs and CPUs
Friendly reminder that a PC can do more than a console.
A PC can survive much longer than a console, playing next gen games. And by todays standards, you can achieve a pc of similar/relative performance much earlier than in the past. I've seen prebuilt systems costing less than 600€ that had better CPUs, 16gb ram and GPUs like rtx 3060, RX 6600XT or regular 6600. Any of these can keep up with current consoles.
I'm using a 1080ti and a r5 5600g cpu with 32gb ddr4 ram, my build is more than enough to survive this generation. I was using a i7-3770k with 16gb ddr3 ram but mobo and ram started going RIP after 10 years of using them, so i had to rebuild. My intention was to stretch that i7 and 16gb to 2027. Of course the CPU was bad, as it would ruin some of the new games that are CPU focused.
-Games on a console cost way more than on PC, specially digital ones.
-Pay to play online.
-Less games to choose from, on pc you have way too many free to play games to choose from, it's similar to what you can find on a mobile phone.
-No access to game mods, there are a lot of games that have their life extended based on mods, which are on PC only.
-No access to work apps, a gaming rig can do both gaming and work related stuff. On a console, you won't be able to do any of that.
-PC have evolved to be more than just desktop or laptop, they now also come in handheld format and are EXTREMELLY EFFICIENT for performance delivered. *
*This evolution is something i wanted to see from consoles, them stepping out of their comfort zone and making consoles more PC BASED. Like using steamOS to run games in gaming mode but giving the users the option to go into desktop mode and allow them to mess around and add things to the device that the gaming mode does not allow. Consoles need to become like this, allowing us to use PC apps on console, full support of mouse and keyboard is necessary too. This is their biggest potential as gaming systems, to simplify things for everyone but also allowing freedom to mess around as if it was a PC. This is why PC handhelds are king right now, they are partially like consoles but function as full on PCs. Limited systems are never the future in current day standards, the first brand to risk it all is the one that will take the advantage of pc gamers early. A "console" that functions like a PC, if they kept similar pricing, it would be a great purchase, consoles are usually great value if bought at MSRP in the first 2 years, after that, you are being ripped off. This is not including any of the additional factors like games, services, etc.
That hasn't been true for quite some time now thanks to how much more power PC GPUs and CPUs can use these days, while consoles are still limited to 200-300W machines. The gap between PCs and consoles have only widened with time.
Playstation 6 = $1200 + tax
before the stand...
@@photonboy999 And the optical drive
Nah, PS6 will cost 500-600, on the other hand PS6pro will cost 1000+😂😂