Tesla EVs are just too expensive to own - says Hertz CEO | Auto Expert John Cadogan
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My twelve year old RAV4, apart from boring me to death, just keeps going.
Same for my Kia Carnival with 300k on the clock. Except not bored yet.
Hope it keeps going until Hydrogen is developed!!!!
420000 landcruiser 80series 1996 wouldn't drive an ev ever!
And…….. loving it.
@@gregdean8441rather be in the Tesla during an accident.
My job is a car fleet manager and we have a few Teslas in the fleet. One needed a repair to the centre console and the driver booked a service call to fix the car at his house. The time came and no call or knock at the door so he looked outside to see the Tesla tech already had the car open in the driveway working on it.
Didn’t bother to announce his arrival and ask to access the car just remotely opened it himself.
Remember you never actually own a Tesla, you just pay to use it.
This actually sounds pretty efficient and convenient!
Yeah, you gave them permission to enter it when you schedule service.
@@Kevcaidyou're missing the point. The dude opened the car without the owner. If you have tools in the car then hope the dude is not a thief.
Well he probably gave authority for the person to access it. It’s pretty clear I the app and he didn’t have to do that if he didn’t want to.
You never on any depreciating asset you just pay for it until it’s worth nothing
If something is too expensive for large car rental company to own/operate, that's good sign for us normal people to know.
Only if you operate and dispose of your personal vehicle the same way.
Quite the contrary in this case.
Well, rental companies do not operate vehicles in the same way as personal owner. Nor renters do
But that's not what they said, they said they had it under control and would continue doing it.
This is all lies
One of my friends in an EV evangelist. Can’t stop raving about them.
Has only EVs for his entire family. (4 adults..)
Solar panels and a huge home battery.
Problem is that they are all out during the day and the battery can’t charge or top up the cars and keep the house running…
So the grid gets used a lot, his battery Gerets sapped really fast and is not so hot after two years of use so already needs potential replacement.
He was estimating that in 4 years he would make his money back on the fuel side and be equal on the cost of the vehicle compared to the alternative ICE car…
Well it’s been 4 years and he’s still quite far off. He said maybe in another 3 years if fuel prices keep rising as fast as they have been over the last 3 years and grid electricity prices stay the same…
I recently needed to rent a larger vehicle for a road trip my family was planning.
He suggested I rent an EV, so I gave him our potential route and what we wanted to do and he came back with a very complicated charging plan and I had to extend the trip by two days due charging times…
Also due to the difference in rental price it would cost me more than a similar ICE vehicle including fuel costs…
Ask your friend if he's using tampons by any chance. He might be menstruating...
When you afford to have an installation like that you can afford to run your home the traditional way.
The EVangelist is definitely a different breed of cat. Their ability to minimise the obvious disadvantages is worth a PhD all on its’ own. They are definitely an irrational purchase. Surely a heroin addiction would be cheaper?
Does your friend even exhisht?
@rayjohnson6286 I don’t need to pay for any of that infrastructure to refuel my car. I live in Australia where solar power is supposed to be cost effective. However, I live in a part of Australia where it is overcast 50% of the time. I had the option of putting solar panels on my roof when I built my home. It was just a huge waste of money that I would never recoup. My power bills just aren’t that high. The price I pay for diesel is well worth the convenience and performance I want. If an EV meets your needs, and you are happy to sink all that capital into generating and storing your own electricity, all power to you. I am struggling to understand why you think the extra outlay for an EV plus the infrastructure costs is worth it. It’s clearly not a sound economic decision. If all you want is transport you can buy a Kia Picanto for a reasonable price, with very low running costs.
Operational costs aside, turning someone unfamiliar with an area loose in a rental car that cannot be easily refueled anywhere in town was a stupid idea.
Like the beginning of Bonfire of the Vanities except it was a flat tire that got things rolling l think. Bonfire of the Teslas is next.
Not to mention the 4-second, 0-to-60-acceleration - if the acceleration boost isn't enabled - in the hands of someone who's used to slightly more anemic response . . . equally stupid, I'd say.
But I can refuel my tesla anywhere there is an electric outlet! It just takes more time at lower voltages.
@@brianwhitley1053 At 80 years old, my Tesla is under perfect control at all times, but you sure can beat any of the kids at a light. (Kids are under 60 years old).
All rental cars companies are doing JUST THAT!
Proudly keeping my 1990's volvo wagons maintained and on the road. Also cant say enough how much the vintage interior makes for a welcome get away from the world filled with computer screens everwhere. Yes, ut needs premium gas, and gets 25mi/gal, yes it requires maintenance but overall its cheaper to insure and maintain than a $400/month car on 86 month loan
Yip, solid cars. My E39 5 series BMW is 22 years old with 250ks, parts are available and its relatively easy to maintain. Luckily in Australia we don't get the salt roads that cause the rust. Car has ABS and multiple airbags. The only thing's it didn't come with with seems to be the only benefit since 2005 is native Bluetooth (aftermarket available) and overly complicated emissions engineering to give very little benefit. The car is a peach, I cannot think of any car newer for the money that would give the same level of service.
Sounds like my 1964 VW split window kombi.
And that will carry 1125 kgs almost anywhere.
Slowly of course
You are far more environmentally friendly than any New Tesla buyer
I recently dumped my 2006 Volvo because it was full of lying computers saying this that and the other is faulty, costing me thousands, when all along all the faults were just sensors. I sold it and bought a 40 year old Mercedes with no electrics that Fraraday wouldn't understand. I am a previous-and-never-again owner of an EV.
@@gasgas2689 you would love my 1964 Mercedes w110 200d ( I have one of those as well ). Being a stick shift so it can be push started means it need no electricity at all whatsoever to function. I would need to replace the lamps with tallow or paraffin lanterns though.
I had the chance to rent a cheaper EV in Chicago, but 1. had no idea where to charge it at the hotel, and 2. didn't want to hunt for a charging station and wait 30 minutes each time to charge it on a drive through Wisconsin. So I rented an ice and everything worked fine.
I have never owned or driven one, so I would not want to be stuck in one away from home not knowing the ins and outs of them. I'd just pay more for something I know how to get around in.
Yes, I do not see how short term EV rental in an unfamiliar area is viable at this time. Unless I plan to drive below what single charge holds, like a day rental.
Yeah I rented up in Scotland and asked about the Tesla option out of curiosity. The agent said despite owning a Tesla himself, he didn't recommend one as when on holiday hunting for a charger etc would be a hassle!
i've travelled regularly for business for the past 20+ years, so that's given me the intelligence to recognize that EV rental is a "Fools Errand". just flew from PHL to SLC back in March and despite being on the ground for more than a week, during my travels (using a Gas rental from Enterprise) driving between the areas of Hill AFB, Salt Lake City, and Provo, i didn't see a single DCFC anywhere...? while i'm sure the Tesla SC and EA charge points are found somewhere...? the question is who the fuck's got time to navigate to them when one has got a VERY SPECIFIC schedule and ITINERARY to keep...? yeah because most REAL adults conducting business have to be at "X place" at "X time" with no exceptions, and the irony of this is, it isn't really much different when one is on VACATION. it was the exact same when i recently flew to Vegas and Frisco, there's just NO ESCAPING TIME.
I would rent an ev if the hotel had chargers there and didn't price gouge the electricity cost.
Last weekend I pulled into a petrol station and behind me a model 3 arrived. Woman got out and went to the bowser, charge flap open and very confused look on her face as trying to work out how to put fuel into the model 3. I asked if this was her car and she said nope, her partners new car and he asked her to put e-juice into it. She thought he meant ethanol fuel. Lucky for us she did not pull the fuel trigger.
lucky it wasn't the form of 'e-juice' we sell because that is for vaping 🤣🤣👊👊
Big bada-BOOM avoided.
Wasn't that a fake TikTok that went viral not too long ago..?
Did she top up on blinker fluid as well?
It's a wonder she had the brains to operate the car 😅
I wanted to rent an EV from Hertz a couple months ago. A malibu was $68 per day and the electric was $199 plus a $35 recharge fee. I rented the malibu. Would have preferred the EV, but price does matter.
Couldn't agree more. I wonder how they justify the price difference?
There's that and there is also the lack of availability in some countries.
In Australia you can only get an EV in the City rental locations, yet all of the rental brands pipe on about how much of their fleet is an EV.
Same in the USA, Boston, NYC or Orlando they can be found but anywhere with less than a million people good luck.
yeah its a shame but they're still a niche product with only a few % of the total vehcile fleet. they can afford to charge at these prices as there is still novelty. Once this wears off the price will drop significantly
@@tigertoo01 Wrong. They are losing money even at that price.
Anytime I've ever rented a vehicle and they say they're planning on giving me a tesla, I always pay extra for the upgrade.
For a Ryobi or Makita?
Ignorance is a wonderful place to be.
@@ya33a 😀😀
For Parkside
I was given a Tesla once for rental. I drove out the parking garage, went around the airport and returned the car to get a regular ICE car. Tesla’s are junk.
Major car dealer near me (UK) won't take any EVs in part exchange, can't sell them.
I watch a lot of Anti-EV videos but the language and analogies you use are brilliant. Great keep them coming. 😁😁👍👍✔✔
I don't think he's necessarily anti EV...
However, like most people, he's just more of a "Realist" pointing out the ridiculous nature of the situation as it currently stands.
Hertz gets the full monty Tesla sales fluff package, only to blossom into it's true brand name...Hurts.
I can't believe how much I spent over four years on my Model 3. I really had to tighten my belt to afford the $39.00 I spent on maintenance (cabin air filter). Luckily some of this was offset by the windshield washer fluid I had in the garage. Okay, I did have to replace the tires after around 50,000 miles.
After that horrendous expense, I'm lucky that after 11 months and 11,000 miles, I've only had to spend $0.00 on my Model Y.
John is entertaining and sometimes makes valid points. The Hertz debacle is right on. Drivers with no knowledge of how to drive or charge a Tesla will cause problems without fail.
Loved your comment. Same for me, no gas station visits, free charfibg at work and shopping malls. I'm so sick of how much tesla is not costing me, I'm furious😂😂😂 even the recall was so painful. I had to actually press update button and wait 30 min for it to update while I was watching TV at home. Horrible experience 😂😂
At this point, this thing has turned into 2 religions .
The evs vs the ice believers ...😅
I've been keeping an eye on used Tesla prices, and by golly they are dropping like a stone.
They will. they keep dropping the prices, to keep market share. They are worth zip after 10 years.
True.
With Tesla constantly reducing the price of its new cars, the used ones will follow... when the tide goes out, everything drops down!
They're disposable devices.
@@davidhancock91 Here in Denmark you cannot sell a used Tesla, have a few friends who had theirs for sale for more than 6 months now, not a single person has shown up nor asked any questions, nothing is happening.....and here I thought people where "green" minded.... ;)
probably true. if you think about the life of a car, maybe owner 1 keeps it 3 years, owner 2 another 3 years. so who will pay anything after 6 years for a car with only a few years in it and maybe a massive bill. So owner 3 doesnt buy, then owner 2 is looking nervous so wants the car for basically nothing. This is happening in the UK right now.@@davidhancock91
Hertz gave themselves a 'Hertz Donut' to the face.
ev owners are finally coming to the realisation that their ev emperor is wearing no clothes.
THE JIG IS UP FOR EV'S IN THE WORLD...!!!
Can’t wait for the Cyber Ute. Saw the off road test by a punter videoing on a smart phone.
I can tell you, no one will be taking one to Fraser Island 😂😂😂😂😂
4.5 tonnes and soft sand not a good combination??? lol
That video was a joke off roading! Ha ha doubt it will ever see full production
I just worked out that EJ stands for Electric Jesus and not Elton John.
As far as I can tell, the biggest problem with Tesla resale value is uncertainty. The sources of which being (a) battery longevity and (b) whether or not the extra options bought by the first owner (such as FSD) will carry over to subsequent owners, or will they be disabled via an OTA update once Tesla gets wind of the vehicle changing hands.
Or shoddy build quality that is coming home to roost as they rack up a few kilometres.
I know someone who owns a little rental car company with 30 teslas. All done around the 400 000km range. Battery still 93+% and only one has needed any work done. No servicing or anything. He loves it.
Also, escalating insurance costs on the horizon
@@Karen-zf9mdBullshit
@@Karen-zf9md I'm a personal friend of Vladimir Putin; he's really a nice guy :))
If Teslas are rapidly depreciating in value then where can I buy one? Looking online nearly all are at near new prices, unless you have a 4+ year old vehicle.
I rented a Polestar 2 from Hertz early this year specifically to get the EV experience. They offered me 25% off so why not. Well, the car was good but the cabin oddly cramped.
Charging on a 2kw supply was predictably glacially slow, and I returned the car with only 2/3 charge after having it charging overnight at my house. Hertz of course happily charged a premium to charge it. That got me thinking: everyone fills up their car to avoid getting ripped off on fuel before handing the car back. But for almost everyone that is impossible with an EV.
GM, Ford and VW are all slashing production of EV’s.
The majority of Chinese producers have already gone bust.
People in general don’t want to buy an EV at twice the price of a similar ICE.
They don’t want to have to pay the huge insurance costs due to expensive repairs.
They’re not happy with the range anxiety.
Then there’s the runaway fire risk……
Ford F150 ICE has a 5k taillight.....expensive parts are not EV exclusive anymore.
my previous vehicle was a 2022 tuscon hybrid base model. the very outer right front was damaged at 80mph on the freeway because of an elks head that hit it.
the estimate to repair parts and labor was $23000 (no components of the vehicle were damaged in terms of it being a running and driving vehicle as it still was running and drivable)
the vehicle cost $31000 new when i got it.
Just the headlight, front grille, radar cruise module, fog light, front bumper, passenger mirror were $6000-7000 just in parts (no labor) alone.
M GUY Australia is worth watching about this subject. Almost a daily story of doom.
The person who made the decision to go EV for a car leasing business needs to never work again:
1. Massive up front cost
2. There is a definitive battery shelf life
3. The sole benefit of EV goes to the customer at the entire cost to the hirer
4. Only a bigger idiot buys a used EV
Battery shelf life is not relevant in this argument. Companies dont keep them long enough for this to be an issue.
@wigs1098 Yes, but the potential next buyer of these used Hertz ev's definitely does stress about the battery shelf life. And then most probably don't buy it considering exactly that.
Well, in the UK there was some benefit as they did not need any road tax! For the average car that would be around £200-300 a year. Not huge, but en-mass it makes an accountant quiver!
@@wigs1098Tesla battery warranty is the lesser of 8 years or 160,000. Hire cars are going to run up kilometres much quicker than the average owner cutting into that remaining warranty.
I haven't watched the full video, before commenting. But I understand in the US, there are ESG incentives for companies that engage in "green washing" their companies. Plus, they will receive advice from advisors close to government planning and would probably receive advice on regulations to disincentivise ICE cars. But, the whole EV push is counter-productive to real measures to reduce CO2.
I live 100 miles north of Miami and there are a fair number of Teslas… at least there are enough on the road that I often find myself driving behind one or parking next to one. But there are a lot of people here with more money than sense.
I have enough anxiety renting a car that I don’t need range anxiety too, and the need to worry about where I can recharge. I suspect that I’m not the only one.
You'd park next to one? Given a choice I wouldn't
I'm guessing you never heard of the extremely reliable and plentiful Supercharger network , and built in routing software that makes charging anxiety a complete non-issue. Also guessing you never drove a Tesla. It's honestly refreshing to take a meal break and charge the car for 20 minutes every 3 hours or so. All the horror stories about charging are for non-Tesla's or are FUD hit pieces.
Try driving long distances in non-coastal areas of Australia in an EV.
@@jeffberwick an American friend told me you can drive all day in the U.S. and not leave your state, now I know why.
Even worse. If you rent, you will have no clue how to charge. if you are lucky it works... (granted yes, teslas charging network tend to work... but.. the main word here.. tend)
Currently, the real death stroke for EVs has become insurance cost. Even a minor accident can leave battery damage undetected only to result in self-combustion at a later stage if the battery pack is not replaced. Buying a used EV has just become decidedly uneconomical. Fortunately, I am a late adopter of technology so not previously planning upon buying an EV until 2030. Lots of floods and bushfires going to happen in the next 7 years so those plans can easily change.
That's a valid issue for any-other-non-tesla ev. Tesla will soon have global own-insurance (+ has the safest and robust battery tech)
Wait until reliable solid state batteries have been developed and deployed. That should solve most of the issues with battery EVs. Although who knows how long it will be before that tech really comes to market?
@@rodh1404 The real work on stable lithium-ion batteries started in '70s only to see their use in customer electronics in the mid-90's, and to start seeing utilization in cars in late '00s, so about 30-40 years from lab concepts to actual use in cars. Solid state batteries are still at the lab level, and even at a lab level they are not showing nearly as much potential as first forays in Li-Ion were. Even at the accelerated rate of commercialization, it will probably take at least a decade more to even see their use in commercial applications and they probably won't be anything close to what people are hoping for...
@@i3looi2lol...Tesla will soon enough be swallowed up by one of the larger automakers.
Like the OP pointed out, the cost-to-sales equation will eventually start to become too unsustainable for the stand alone company.
@@rodh1404 only if you believe the hype. There has been no real worl testing of these solid state unicorns in the automotive sector. Will Prowse did a penetration test on a stationary solid state electrolyte cell and got a spectacular thermal run away and fire. The manufacturers penetration test was fine. Wills conclusion was the manufacturers test was done in a discharged state, which would make thermal runaway less likely.
My customer found that out with his Tesla model S.
7 year old car needed a new battery. Tesla weaseled out of the warranty saying his recharging using the Tesla chargers is battery abuse. What's he suppose to do? He cannot charge at home.
£32,000 and an 8 month wait for the new battery.
It's now for sale. His next car will not be an EV.
Sounds like UK consumer laws need to be a bit more robust
If you can’t charge at home then you should never buy an EV
@@morri03 2035. If you want a new car. There won't be a choice.
@@sahhull don't worry they will move the goalposts again before then.
@@morri03 lucky me then
In the UK insurance costs for EVs are skyrocketing. John Lewis Financial has put a hold on insuring EVs. I wouldn't be surprised if insurance companies world wide are starting to look sideways at these mobile incendiary devices. I'm not sure if Herz covers it's own insurance, but either way it would have to be an issue for them. I can't imagine that more "Uber drivers" are crashing their Teslas more than any other vehicle. I think that's actually corporate speak for the "the normal costs of business with these vehicles far exceeds our expectations or budget". The escalating insurance costs have also had a knock-on effect on the resale value of all EVs.
We're just one major disaster (tunnel or underground car park) from pulling the plug on this premature bastard child.
Bingo!
"Premature bastard child" 😂😂
Most apt description so far, premature bastard child, I will use that.😎
In the UK everyone's insurance is skyrocketing. Both ev and non Ev. A comparison site returned 93 quotes for our Kona Ev. So no one is worrying about John Lewis.
Uber drivers are probably abusing the cars more than a typical owner for whom this Tesla is a prized possession.
Another issue is in the UK, the cost of insurance is starting to rise at an alarming rate some owners have reported that some insurance companies are no longer offering to Insure EVs as the risk is too high. Who's going to take a risk of buying a car they can no longer afford to run and the governments are still pushing the EV message. Worrying times for the motorist
Our old fabia 1.2 diesel at 16 years old comes back on the comparison sites at around £200. Our 2 year old Kona electric comes back at £350. Not such a huge amount for a much nicer car with more than twice the performance. The only one publicly announcing not insuring EVs is John Lewis. We had 93 quotes from other insurers for the Kona electric. We are not worried about John Lewis.
In THE UK it is illegal to drive a car without insurance.
There I was completely EVed breaking the law breaking the law as I drive from town to town
( with apologies to Judas priest)
I wonder if the powers that be will actually drive one of the major car manufacturers into oblivion before they realise the folly of this push for EVs in such a short time span.
A few years ago, Hertz was filing all sorts of false police reports, having customers arrested for car theft.
Maritime Authorities issue new rules for shipping EV'S
People are starting to realise that ev's are not the green utopia they fantasised about in their wildest dreams.🤭🤭🤭
It’s down to pets availability, what you don’t get is ppl are buying them cause they are green. Sorry but I’m a trump supporting conservative and evs are far better
@kas8286 sure.. and they can STFU about it too.. EV knows are as bad as vegans
@nickford5549 The only thing green about them is the greenwashing and perhaps the colour of some of them. LOL!😂😂😂
what the hell does politics have to do with this ? maybe you can ask Don for some cash to go back to school and spell parts @@nickford5549
Some of us realised years ago 😅
If ever there was a product created as single use, an EV is the one.
That would be gasoline. Dealers count on your dependence.
That doesn't make sense. EVs can be charged and reused daily.
What is your point?
Answer their questions. You don't really have a point do you.
If you can drive half million km before replacing battery with new $10k I wouldnt call that single use.
I've had BMW and Audi that barely got to 100k km without full engine replace.
@@foxythedirtydog4494The OP means the resale is non existent
@@notsofatmike1 in that case it is a stupid comment as there is still demand for used EVs.
Hey JC let’s not forget the giga press that Tesla use to build the chassis/ frame of their cars. These massive machines die cast the whole thing in 4 pieces and Tesla is aiming to make them in one piece, unlike traditional car frames made up of 60-70 or so welded steel pieces. This means that if the Tesla frame gets damaged its extremely difficult (read expensive) to repair unlike replacing the damaged metal parts like in a normal car. So guess what? A relatively minor accident may mean the Tesla gets written off instead of being repaired. You can see how that might affect your insurance premiums.
Good for Tesla's profitable, when one accident can force the Tesla's owner and the insurance company to agree to salvage the said vehicle. Very bad for EVs owners and the insurance companies in the long run.
I guess the idea is that its more difficult to crash a tesla with all their tech. The gigacast pieces are meant for easy removal and repair whole sections. Especially if you consider what it takes to straighten out any chassis. No easy task. I think expensive atm but its all new tech. the industry has been waiting for this innovation for a long time.
@@tigertoo01it's not innovation. It's planned obsolescence.
Just went through MSP a few weeks back. Rented from the Hertz family (dollar). Agent told me all of their ICE cars were spoken for that weekend. There were about three dozen EVs sitting right next to my empty row. Nobody wants to hassle with an EV for a weekend?😎🙄
Is there a difference in a rental cost
@@andyp91 yeah, the EVs cost more, but that particular weekend small sedans were $50/day, so cost wasn't the primary driver of demand, or lack thereof. The "not knowing if I can charge it" was a much bigger issue.
I always look to see who is driving Electric Jesus joke cars to see who the real clown is.
We all do 😂
One of the problems with battery energy storage, especially in a LCO battery, are the risks of packaging the fuel and oxidizer into an integral unit. If by chance ignition occurs, the exothermic reaction is very difficult to deal with.
Tell us something John Cadogan hasn't told us a million times in the last 3 weeks alone!!! ... Nah, we LOVE that kind of stuff on this channel! Keep it up!!
I think you will find the deal didn't include charging stations for Hertz so they had to leave the lots to find a nearby charging station and also didn't also include reduced charging rates
So hertz couldn't build wall chargers??? 😂😂😂
Seriously. Who runs these companies?
I’m a retired company director. I cannot believe the corporate incompetency that goes on in these high profile companies?
QANTAS in Australia is a good current example. A WOKE, Gay(nothing wrong with that), CEO , heavily engaged-in politics , using shareholders money, and payed $25,000,000 for the last year , making totally incompetent and illegal decisions.
Qantas isn't woke mate, if it was it wouldn't have sacked all those workers and outsourced their work.
I would challenge the little fellas' level of 'wokeness'.
@@JohnH1 Joyce seems pretty awake to the opportunity to make off like a bandit after running the Flying Kangaroo into the ground.
Directors who think the company's ESG score is more important than serving customers or making profits.
As long as he gets enough support he is untouchable. Ever read about Napoleon and how he made all of his relatives kings? Weak men...
as a telsa owner myself, its far cheaper to own and operate and maintain than my previous vehicle, which was also pretty cheap as well being a brand new hybrid that met its demise from an elk running into my car on a pitch black freeway in texas.
after the accident, i went back home to las vegas, and as an uber driver in vegas i rented one of these at $450 a week all in with insurance...for 3 weeks while i was waiting for insurance payout and so i can work. $450 a week sucks but it was temporary and a busy season so it didnt hurt too much.
the rental of one is what made my buy one instead of buying the same vehicle i had prior.
i bought it for economic reasons as im saving about $400 a month based on my usage, insurance differences, etc directly compared to my previous vehicle, and a tax credit too. honestly the Elk did me a huge favor. considering i live in an apartment, the only way i can charge is in the garage i pay extra for (i was paying for garage prior to the tesla already) and i do not pay for electric on the garage...so my cost to charge are only at SC IF i need one which is rare, and its often only $3-6.
as an uber driver in vegas, there are tons of these running around here that are rentals, often held by people with 430 credit scores slaving away paying nearly $2000 a month, and they drive them hard, and with zero care if they break them because it isnt their car, hence why hertz is losing their arses on these things, they drive them like total crap, and zero regard for anyones safety.
in vegas, if you rent one of these they tell you to go to pep boys to do inspections and service. resale value on rental cars are ALWAYS lowered due to miles, and depending on the car they are often fleet optioned vehicles vs retail models which is lower value too.
I used to work at a body shop here and they had an exclusive contract with enterprize car rental to do body work on their cars and there was no shortage of any car model getting repaired. often we saw tons of dodge chargers and challengers with body damage back then.
I am not an EV simp, i honestly really never considered it until i rented one. everyones situation is different and for me it was economics. people ask me daily if its worth it, and my honest answer is always "rent one for a week and see if it works for you" because there are some instances where i dont totally feel they are worth it. many people do own them to virtue signal, but the reality is these are not environmentally friendly (you have indisputably proven this in a dozen angles how they arent). when the day comes i stop doing the work i do now, chances are i wouldnt buy another one as im hoping ill just sell it off for whatever its worth by then, and buy a solid easy to fix reliable vehicle to get from point A to B in with no payments, cheap insurance, easy to repair, cheap and abundant parts that i can do 90% of the work myself. i generally drive 6000 miles a year for personal use....gas wont hurt me when there is no payment involved. i also personally would never buy a used EV, and would not want to own one out of the battery/drive unit warranty which in USA is 8yr/100k miles for most of them. (for me thats about 5 years)
resale values are not that bad. i still see 3 year old model 3 and Y going for higher numbers than expected, however this will truly depend on your region/market. rentals however with high miles and poorly driven like any rental car, will always be tanked in comparison.
EV battery fires are very rare but JC makes it seem commonplace. My b.s. detector was going off during the video. Maybe an ev rental car has long term operational costs, but not one that's bought and used normally by buyers like you. John seems to trash talk any vehicles not made in Australia or vehicles that are not Japanese.
to a point for sure. but he also makes some very logical perspectives as well. @@dannydaw59
Ev’s make alot of sense for taxi drivers they are well suited to the job, and will be cheaper providing nothing very expensive goes wrong ie a battery or motor problem, then any savings would very quickly evaporate.
@@dannydaw59 Thermal runaway is absolutely a failure state of the lithium ion battery pack. If a failure CAN happen, it WILL happen; and plans must be made to deal with that failure.
What plans can you make for an EV battery fire? If you know an effective way to handle that, then you should tell the fire department, because right now they hose it down until the chemical energy is spent.
More to the point, it costs US$ 20000 to replace a Tesla battery pack. You are going to need one of those in something like five years, depending on how you drive. At that point replacing the battery is a considerable chunk of the resale value of your car. Often it is *more* than the resale value of your car.
In the event of a collision, Tesla can (and will) charge you US$ 8k to inspect and certify the car to make sure that it is safe. If you don't have your care inspected and certified, Tesla will turn off features, including fast charging.
Insurance is catching up fast. The insurance cost are about to reflect the reality of these catastrophic fires that can not be extinguished. Hertz isn't making this up. They can't resell used a Tesla (because of the battery replacement cost) they can't insure a Tesla, so now what? Perhaps you should tell the Hertz CEO that he is just making it up and that everything is rosy? If you are right their share price will go through the roof. If I am right and there is a high Total Cost of Ownership, then they will dump their fleet of electric vehicles while they can still be resold.
@@finalmidnight I have plenty of battery-operated tools ,phone ,computers never had a fire... I swear people are scared of the dark😬
i can just imagine how many resale scams there will be with ev cars.
We all know no-one ever got scammed with an ICE car.
I've owned my Model Y Performance for just about 2 years and it's easily the car I have spent least on in ownership... virtually no maintenance, maybe 15% of what I would have spent on gas and the thing is a blast to drive and safer than any other car out there... I love it!
I have the model 3. So cheap to charge and I can charge at work for free. So fast and safe.
@@mostmost1 I don't understand how people spend more on these vehicles, how does that even happen?
@@bhuba99 They think its personal. some bogey man is trying to change their way of life. For me its a vehicle that saves me money.
@@mostmost1 ya makes sense... such an interesting reaction... my 1st time driving a friend's model S in 2017 I was shocked how good it was, and then I was somewhat angry that the legacy guys didn't follow through and make the product. my mom had the 1st volt and I liked the driving but the product was so poorly designed. I used to wonder why they didn't just offer that type of power train on a malibu, which is something I would have bought. I wonder if this guy has even driven one, I don't know anyone who doesn't want a Tesla after they drive one, even petrol-head muscle car guys I know drive there Tesla's day in and day out and save their old mustang for the weekends
You won’t be able to trade it in because it’s going to be worthless in two years lmao
They just won the first US Autopilot trial involving a fatal crash. The driver died and two passengers were severely injured, including a child that was disemboweled. It's also worth mentioning the accident happened in 2019, in a Tesla model 3. The car hit a tree and caught fire in a matter of seconds after the impact.
Ev put on notice with ferries .. the end of mass EV adoption is near
So they went from people renting cars they do not need from them, to now not renting a car they need from them!
Remote emissions are emissions, EVs are the motoring equivalent of hiring an assassin. Your hands are clean, but a murder is committed.
That's why my car has a windmill on top. But seriously, is it better to distribute fossil fuel burning? There are sustainable generation methods; they are just not portable.
By your logic all consumers of energy are murderers. Myopia masquerading as awareness.
That’s a bit dramatic. You are simply outsourcing the pollution to be someone else’s problem.
Drama king are we?
it's an ok analogy, not dramatic enough to get your knickers twisted about tho
re: "EVs are the motoring equivalent of hiring an assassin. Your hands are clean, but a murder is committed." well that's a new one i hadn't heard yet. but you know what, given the creativity...? i'm going to ALLOW IT.👍 carry on Journey Tony you are going to be a General some day...!!!😎
My experience after 1 year with my Tesla model 3 has been polar opposite to Hertz. 27,000 trouble free miles with zero cost other than electricity. No repairs required. I haven't bothered with tire rotation 🤔 and washer fluid is cheap. The cost to go 27,000 miles was about 575 bucks!! (US equiv) as charged from home on my TIME OF USE meter provided by my local utility company expressly for EV charging. Thats .09 cents per kwh. Charged overnight while I sleep meaning ultra convenient. My equivalent ICE car (which I really love) Mercedes Benz C43 AMG costs 4,700 dollars in fuel and another 300 bucks in scheduled service to go the same distance. My wife and I battle over which car we drive and now sadly the C43 is being a garage queen. Massively cheaper to own my EV. By the way the Tesla weighs 4,065 lbs. The C43 4,084 lbs. So much for EVs weighing too much. Plus I have a full house solar system that can add juice during the day but I didn't include that in the energy usage as many do not have this possibility so that would just be bragging. 😂 The cost of the solar system is borne by the house energy cost reduction. Having said that, IF YOU CANT CHARGE FROM HOME DONT BUY AN EV. I have no problem with the public DC fast chargers, as they work but the price per kwh is all over the place and they remain a bit inconvenient. But we have done the occasional longer journey beyond 325 miles without concern. Frankly The Tesla Model 3 dual motor long range is the best ownership experience I've had by a very long ways. 👍At 70 yrs old I've had 22 cars in the past 30 years. I guess everything boils down to "use case" am I'm certainly not an Uber driver. But its important to keep things balanced and in context. 😁
Balance? Here? From the tone of most of the comments you’d think EVs were about to bring on the apocalypse.
It has been SUCH FUN sitting back and watching the EV lie implode or is it explode? Given the number of the shit boxes that have self immolated lately I’m just waiting for the horror of one igniting in heavy peak period traffic.
I think you mean Thermal Runaway
Interchangeable 😂
re: "It has been SUCH FUN sitting back and watching the EV lie implode or is it explode?" 6 in one 1/2 dozen in the other, your observations are astute so by the powers vested in me i authorize you to use either term in daily when and where YOU see fit (and if anyone gives you a hard time send them to me).
Tesla will be offering another 15% to 20% discount in January. Let's face it the EV bubble has burst.
Re: "Let's face it the EV bubble has burst"!........Into flames?
I don't think so but they are facing competition from many other companies.
Too many problems with Battery EVs, as opposed to other modes of propulsion.
They will die out, but perhaps smaller modes of Battery Transport may survive.@@skunkjobb
... what is bursting are the legacy manufacturers that can only make money out of ICE cars. Oil isn't available forever, I think there is a lot of denial going around. A lot of eletric car companies will also go bust, we will see a consolidation process in the car industry and some will only survive through subsidies.
maybe. but considering in the USA the tax credit will be taken at point of sale next year....tesla may increase prices for that.
I hit a dead wombat at 110 kph with my new petrol Camry on a trip between Sydney and Brisbane on the weekend. It didn't catch fire once.
What about the Camry?
@@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars That? Oh no, that looked like a napalm strike.
To accompany the Tesla calendar could we also have a Tesla advent calendar? 25 more ways to rub ice cold brine into the wounds.
Last time I rented a car from Hertz, the two cheapest cars to rent were both electric. I had to pay extra in order to get a gas car.
Well in the UK, Hertz have been totally uncompetitive lately and it's been a 2 horse race between Europcar and Enterprise. Is Hertz trying to recoup its EV costs from all renters ?
I'm looking forward to all those motors and batteries to come to the market - We'd be looking in the second hand car sales for Boat Motors, off roaders, light aircraft and all the fun things you can do when not parked at home costing your insurance to cost more than the electric shit box
Light aircraft with an EV battery? Is that the kind where you run along on the ground underneath where it is flying because your body weight would exceed the payload capacity of the soaring battery's juice?
A 15 foot boat sounds so much fun with a ton of battery in it. It should be able to well do 4 or 5 MPH, Off roader sounds great too with a ton of weight & all that pounding it is almost certain to catch fire. Oh & fire in a plane yippee, Guess you would take a parachute at all times.
To be fair to EJ, John, he is just taking from the Ford playbook. The main difference is how he has been able to milk government subsidies.
Vertically integrate yourself through the supply chain to understand the costs. Use that knowledge to drive your supplier prices down. Come up with new.radical ways of making cars and then cost reduce to get them mass market affordable. Ford took the Model T from ~$1300 each to $295 each over a 10 year period, which also must have shafted consumers on resale in a big way at the time.
EJ seems to be trying to repeat that with an EV. I am surprise Ford haven't used their own history a little more to achieve similar results. Personally I think the change he made to reduce manufacturing costs will shaft the consumer big time as the cost to repair will be massive as in automotive all the low hanging cost reduction during manufacturing had definitely been picked (along with the stuff reachable by a ladder or cherry picker...) Bend a "giga casting" and the car is written off, not including a slight knock to the pack makes it an unknown timebomb.
I daresay most Model T owners bought them and kept them till they rotted away. There really wasn't the "trade up" mindset in the automobile market place in the 19 teens like that which developed after WWII. So most owners kept the damn things, handed them down to their children, etc. Much more so than we do today.
That calendar should sell like fire!
A Lithium fire?
Cracking t-shirt there JC! SR-71 was a true marvel of aeronautical engineering.
CIA Duffman says: A-12 is the BOSS!!
Of course, the ad break was for electric cars..
The electrical vehicle dilemma. (a copy and paste after hearing about this) From Andrew Boyle, ATA first vice chair and co-president of Massachusetts-based Boyle Transportation. One trucking company wanted to electrify just 30 trucks at a terminal in Joliet, Illinois, local officials shut those plans down, saying they would draw more electricity than is needed to power the entire city.
What rubbish
A point that Hertz failed to consider is that most people don't know how to drive an EV. If you have never experienced One-Peddle-Driving you are in for a surprise.
If you are used to have to use knobs to adjust settings you will have trouble jumping into an EV where all the setting are on a display under menus you have never seen before.
I think Hertz made the jump too soon. There are not yet enough seasoned EV drivers to support an EV rental model. Yet...
Evangelists grab your pitchforks, charge! No pun intended.
Nah we have Tesla Coils. Makes for a nicer poke and smell
Go watch Geoff Buys Cars latest EV vs Diesel drive from one end of UK to the other.
The EV (taycan) driver pulls in to a motorway services to recharge. All the chargers are occupied with a queue of 90min wait just to get the opportunity to recharge.
He then has to resort to recharging at porsche dealer at a cost of UKP41.
Meanwhile the 14yr old bmw 320d is getting 60 mpg
I don't know why I enjoy this channel as a left leaning, tree hugger, but I do. I appreciate the counter balancing arguments that help me to keep from going off the deep end. (And the snarky delivery brings bonus smiles - 'Polestar is less crap than Tesla, but only just.') Some aspects of EV ownership are very interesting to me and fit our travel patterns nicely - e.g. 99.9% of our miles are within 50 miles of home, so charging overnight at home is easy and cheap -(at least until the damn thing burns my house down). I am not a fan of Tesla's build quality and am waiting to see how long term ownership costs shake out. I have two sons who bought Teslas, so I have a front row seat to their experience. They do end up in service quite a lot more frequently than our old school Toyotas. Tesla's at this point seem to follow a similar depreciation pattern to ICE cars here in Merica. So, I am guessing that Hertz's sadness comes from an unrealistic expectation that their cars would depreciate less than other cars. We keep a new car until it is basically down to scrap, so the only thing that matters to us is how long will the EV go before it experiences its final economic death? For our Toyotas, the mileage exceeds 200,000 so far. The other thing I hope to see is successful EV competition. As you noted, Polestar is less shit than Tesla, so we can only hope that eventually, VW, Daimler, Ford, GM, et. al., are also less shit than Tesla and that they learn how to make them in a profitable way. But, as they say, hope is not a strategy.
I can see that resale values right now would be bad due to Tesla lowering the car prices these last few years. But operation costs? Everything I have always seen shows me that operational costs are much lower than ICE vehicles. But due to resale values, I can see that Hertz would be up against a corner since they normally don't keep the rental cars for very long.
I'd be pretty disappointed if my Tesla ownership experience was even fractionally as bad as described here. Fortunately, it's been my favorite vehicle out of nearly four dozen petrol-powered automobiles and motorcycles over the decades.
I do believe you to be delusional.
I got a ride in a friend's new Tesla, and I now know why they're so easy to get by on my motorcycle. I just squeeze the side of the car's safe following distance zone, and the self driving software backs off to leave me a nice, juicy spot to lane change into....😊
No such thing as polite drivers in Toronto, BTW.
Same people are delusional. Tesla is the best car out right now. I hate when people use the term EV to describe teslas. They are very different. Like android and iPhone.
Nice to see a comment from someone with actual lived experience with a Tesla.
Some EV owners are so delusional that even when faced with charging stations run by diesel generators they do not see the irony or the stupidity.
I have followed your channel for maybe 5 years and binge watched most of your old stuff. I am no engineer but my background in Biochemistry gives me enough physics to understand your superb explanations. Here in Hismajestystan the news never corrected the information on the Luton Airport Fire and everyone still thinks it was a diesel car that stopped 50,000 passenger movements. In your video it clearly looks like a new Range Rover PHEV. I can't find a reliable news source that says anything other than it being s diesel so I guess the EV propaganda divisions got at our totally lack of independent media. Keep on sticking it to the man. When my brother had to drive to the Scottish Highlands for a family Funeral, he had to leave his BMW E4i EV at home and they all crammed into a 1L VW Polo..........so I am not seeing this great EV revolution is going to work.
What makes you think it was a PHEV? One bloke trying to make a buck on RUclips by confirming your bias by BELIEVING it's a PHEV based on 1 poor quality photo? Ok, then.
It doesn't matter what people believe. And I'm not sure if it even matters what the insurance companies believe. Every car garage (and car transporting ferry) now has EVs parked in it besides other cars. Even if it is an ICE car that catches fire, and the fire spreads to the next car, and that next car happens to be an EV, the fire now cannot be stopped, and the entire car garage (or the ferry) goes up in flames.
I think that the insurance rates are going to keep rising on ALL vehicles, and will stay high for as long as there are EVs. The EV zealots do dumb stuff, and we all pay the price.
Brilliant delivery of this info...reposting this one!
When people mention the cost to run an EV everyone worries about the battery...which IS a concern, but I'd be looking more at the cost to repair the body should the inevitable shunt occur. A simple dent in the rear corner of a Rivian cost $48,000 to repair!!!! The 'mega-press' construction of the Tesla makes for fast assembly...and atmospheric repair cost should it be damaged so once these bills start rolling in to the insurance companies you can bet their prices will rise accordingly.
What exactly is the high cost of maintenance for an EV? I'm pretty sure maintenance costs are negligable. But if people are reluctant to rent them, for whatever reason, its obviously a disaster for a car rental agency. When you rent a car, you're typically visiting an unfamiliar place. This would tend to magnify range anxiety and uncertainty about where to charge.
A lot of Hertz EV's went leased to Uber drivers. But, if I read it right, they seem abuse them way more than Hertz expected. Amd here we may be talking not mechanical/electrical, but body work
the traction battery is the major cost. price the replacement. my guess is the battery might go 5 years,
to the battery might last 10 years and not much past that.
Best guess is replace the traction battery each 7 years. (replace the auto seems what I hear)
it is a cost to ADD to the price when purchasing one.
U will pay a massive "catchup" fee when u need a new battery. (Or try to sell 2nd hand when the buyer wants 15k off for the battery he will need in 6months time.) I fix my own diesel , both mechanicals and electronics for the price of parts BTW.
re: "I'm pretty sure maintenance costs are (negligible)." well only negligible for those who might be "shortsighted" or have problems doing Math. once you look at vehicle ownership from the "hard nosed" perspective of an ACCOUNTANT (which demands accuracy btw) then you quickly see how in Fleet Business situations (and any business for that matter) there is no "pretending" that this Cost or that Cost magically "doesn't exist", no, because DENYING REALITY is the behavior we see in laymen and consumers...
see entry for: DEPRECIATION EXPENSE
I've owned my Model Y for nearly a year. No problems at all. It's been perfect. I've reduced my fueling cost by 75% by charging in my garage. I'll never go to a gas station again. And it's fun to drive. I'll never go back to gas.
I regularly fly through Charlotte airport in the US and drive to a rural location 2.5 hours away. It’s common that the bulk of the vehicles in the lot are Teslas - which can’t be used for this trip bc there are no chargers where I’m going. 🤷♂️
John, you're the absolute best! Surely your subscriber tally should have another zero added, or better still an 'M' instead of a 'K'?
I'm looking forward to seeing the end of all these battery powered nob chariots 🤔
*knob*
I saw a stat of EVs sitting in parking lots in the US for more than double what they were a year ago. "EVs in stock has swelled nearly 350% this year, to more than 92,000 units."
Aw you mean because production has quadrupled the lots are surprising you 😅 If brains were only a thing that people used more often we won't have such comments being made.
@@SpiritualMined87 No it means supply has exceeded demand. Meaning the market is saturated... meaning the issues EVs and other consumer preferences are not enough to stop the sales of ICEs. V6 Pickup Truck/utes are still the largest segment, by a long way.
If only the spiritually minding would self-fellate themselves and keep their mouths full of their own smegma.
Q3 2023 deliveries for Tesla exceeded production. Seems all the EV's sitting on lots are not Tesla
I used to work in Hertz’s corporate office before they relocated to Florida. I wish I still had contacts there to hear the inside comments on the Tesla experiment 😂
You missed the big picture. Tesla 3s were selling for $40k and had a greedy "temporary" massive price hike to $60K. Elon wasn't supposed to say it was temporary (but he leaked it) so nobody believed it would be temporary. Then Hertz stocked up on them. I should also mention that Hertz stocked up with no discount. Then Tesla actually returned the price to $40K like he said they would. So if you stocked up at the price peak like Hertz, ouch, painful. And folks rent Teslas to drive them like race cars, so say goodbye to fewer repairs, ouch, painful. In the future Hertz will need to get Teslas throttled back. And on top of it all you can't find a cheap repair shop willing to touch a Tesla (and if they are willing repair parts are impossible to find). A good car, but wait to buy until Tesla parts are available at Amazon, O''Riley's, Car Max and Auto Zone. This is what's real; most of what you said is nonsense. Your story is humorous but misses the big picture.
It was obvious to anyone that the price of Tesla Model 3s was going to fall (batteries are getting much cheaper and our supply now coming from China rather than America are the main drivers of price reductions). I bought one in 2019 knowing that as an early adopter I would take a hit on depreciation as prices fall. 4 years on you can now buy a better spec model than my 4 year old Tesla for about $15,000AUD less than I paid and that excludes government rebates which didn’t exist back then.
Well done for making the cheaper price of buying a Tesla sound like simply all-round bad news. Current buyers are getting a comparative bargain however the price of a Model 3 will probably fall again by the end of next year. EVs generally will keep falling in price as they get nearer to parity with ICE cars before the end of the decade. Lower resale prices will boost the used car market.
However I planned to keep the car long term unlike Hertz. If you aren’t settling off Teslas every 2 years then price falls don’t matter much. My Tesla is very cheap to run, immensely enjoyable to drive and has been largely trouble free so far. The battery degradation has been much less than I had anticipated and it has some great features.
Is it perfect, no. But I will be intrigued to see how it goes for the next few years.
The biggest issues for Tesla are that in Europe and Asia their cars are too big and Chinese and European manufacturers are now starting to release more suitable compact EVs. Musk’s latest vanity project, the Cybertruck, has serious problems with the build and the price and was the wrong direction to go. The FSD debacle has been a stupid distraction and another Musk vanity project. Personally I was never interested in autonomous driving anyway.
Electric delivery vehicles and compact cars are the mass market Musk claims he was seeking. With the models Tesla has they have probably passed peak demand now. Tesla will continue to do well as they still have some significant advantages over established automakers but I expect them to find the next 3 years much tougher than the last 3 simply because they don’t have a true mass market car in their stable.
Love a good fire sale.
Get some smokin deals
Every EV MSRP should include the battery recycling core charge. Like the core charge on most all 12V battery replacements. Calculater bursts into flames trying to compute that cost!
E V should never been sold in Australia
If it was any other rental company than Hertz, I might even feel sorry for them being so badly mismanaged...
their overuse of the Tom Brady commercials on youtube has worn out any good sentiment I had before
They'll have to steal the "Avis we try harder" tagline.
Great reporting, and great delivery - John will always come out with something to make me burst out laughing. Thanks mate
YOU ARE IN A LEAGUE OF YOUR OWN, JOHNNY!!!
Hi John would like to know if I should change my auto transmission oil in my car. I have a 2016 ford Territory petrol engine I have done 65000 ks. I have a 8x5 trailer I don't use it that much. And also how often should I change the oil in the Transmission.
I don't think we have hit "peak twat" virtual signaling EV purchases yet. The high interest rates may be masking the numbers. We will have to wait for Prime Lending rates to drop to see if the "twats" have peaked. At this point I think that the only thing which could cause a drop in EV sales is a mass casualty event as you have previously described.
All Cars are unaffordable and EVs are trash. Sales will crash, regardless. And most Tesla owners go back to gas lol
Resale value is key for vehicle hire companies as they make their money by buying at a discounted price which is below to estimated audtion value 6 months down the line before they reach the first service. EM lowering proces will ruin the hire compan'y business model dead.
I recently went on a trip through the Mid West and had range anxiety with gasoline as there were towns with no gas stations and if they had no gas stations I am sure there were no charging stations either. What is the likelihood of finding a charging station in a town of two or three hundred? No one would finance a $60,000 car based on my retirement income so I'll stick with what I've got.
I have a niece that works for a big car rental company. They’re trying to get rid of those pieces of junk as fast as they can.
Hertz. Go woke, go broke.
You mean go broke, again 😂
What does an EV have to do with woke? How about, stupid is as stupid does!
Hertz - the favoured transport mode of the Maquis de Sade.
👏👏
The only component missing in EV's is a huge compressed spring under each seat....allowing passengers to pull a handle and eject through the roof when the battery explodes.
Lol
If you read Stephen Scherr's comments and read between the lines the issue here is not EV's as such but Hertz's exposure to Tesla's and their risk position on the deal they made with Uber over the large scale use of Hertz owned Tesla's by Uber drivers. He's actually saying they will increase the use of EV's once legacy manufacturers like GM and Ford ramp up their EV production, providing competition to Tesla and driving down the overall cost of maintaining them.
Thanks John for once again pointing out there is not going to be some sort of EV utopia. No if we really are going to actually do something really meaningful towards reducing carbon emissions then personal transport for the most part is going to be a thing of the past. Trains, trams, buses and active transport and redesigning where we all live and work, if we are to have a future, will be the only answer.
I'll make my VF11 Holden Commodore last another 10 years
Better for the environment
@@kas8286 that will appreciate or was that the shit one made in Europe
@@kas8286 what 18 year old vehicle isn't worth pennies?
@@kas8286 my mates R8 has appreciated 30k since he bought it ..
gets lots of offers .. refuses ro sell
80’s commodores are going for huge money .
@@kas8286 by a euro EV from BMW or Porsche and they drop 50 percent in a year .. the EV market is in some trouble
It would be great to get facts on for example the maintenance costs vs traditional cars. We tried one for 2 weeks. It was very good.
11k miles and i havent had any maint costs. at 15k will be an alignment, however thats any car.
Let’s not let facts get in the way of an anti EV pile on.
Breaking news. Tesla wouldn't discount for Hertz. However BYD has announced a ten thousand vehicle deal with Uber. Seems they are perfect for hiring operations.
Love this John, your take on things is so spot on and amusing at the same time. My mate has two Teslas in his garage and will not have a bad word said about them, the company, or Elon!🤐Wonder now how he feels about the 20% reductions in purchase price!
I personally don't give a toss about the fact that a model Y is now cheaper than when we bought it a year ago.
Planning to keep it for at least 10 years. By far the best car we've owned in our combined 80 years of driving.
Saved about $2200 on petrol already.
This is a very mixed channel. Sometimes good stuff but then again this anti EV idiocy.
I agree, it's getting stupid.
No longer is it about cars and equipment, any chance for an EV bashing, he is there.
A big problem with Teslas is that they are too powerful for most drivers. No wonder so many of them get into problems requiring expensive repair. Also Teslas in particular are designed to be cheap(er) to make with a lot of large unibody parts. Unfortunately this makes them expensive to repair.
^right on both counts and this a WCE (Worst Combination Ever)^
That closing line was the most hilarious thing I have heard in a long time.