"Pound for Pound - Sugar Ray Robinson" Documentary
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
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"Someone once said there was a comparison between Sugar Ray Leonard and Sugar Ray Robinson. Believe me, there's no comparison. Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest."
Quote -- Sugar Ray Leonard
-Splenda Ray Leonard
Ray Leonard was better
@@mandingodestroyer3104 no he was not, Robinsons ability will never be matched
@@mandingodestroyer3104 he wasn’t better
@@aviancypress5181 I think Mandingo destroyer just wanted to start a debate in the comments section and you fell right in to it... We all know for a fact that Ray Leonard was no where near as good as Ray Robinson...
"I fought Sugar Ray so often, I almost got diabetes." - Jake LaMotta
" I fought sugar ray robinson so many times Im surprised I don't have diabetes"
Not only was Sugar Ray Robinson great in different weight classes ,the greatest thing about him was that he was humble and a humanitarian that loved helping the youth. This was truly a great champion.
True my friend, BUT an understatement: he is my favourite sportsman of all time.
The G.O.A.T. The Greatest Of All Times! Sugar Ray Robinson Is The Reason They Have A Pound For Pound List
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MrDerww Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, Jack Johnson & Armstrong Are The G.O.A.T.S
Jay Belliard Harry Greb with 261-20-17 defeated 18 Undisputed World Champions with 37 wins 10 loses 2 draws aganist them. He also fought about a total of 130 top 10 contenders from welter/140 to heavy. Average opponent were about 15 pounds heavier. Fought half blind for 5 years and only one to beat Tunney.
Chris Rembert Unbelievable But Even Sugar Ray Robinson Ducked Someone 😳 I Did Some Research
Still can't believe floyd mayweather thought he was even close to sugar ray Robinson
Yeah, Floyd is levels above Robinson.
If anybody is close to Sugar Ray it is Floyd Mayweather you damn sure can't put no other name in boxing and next to him
Billy2011C Im pretty sure its the other way around, not to mention that Robinson sought out worthy opponents
JOE M
Lamotta was the only guy to beat Robinson? Are you sure about that? Lol.
JOE M first of all Sugar Ray Leonard lost to Roberto Duran the first time they met it's blasphemy that you think Leonard is better than Floyd. Roberto would never be able to beat Floyd hell look at what Tommy the Hitman Hearns did to Roberto the first round. knockout multiple knockdowns
Sugar Ray fought up to a Hundred bouts before he got his shot at the world welterweight title ,There was also only one world Boxing governing body and eight weights .unlike today where you have almost eight champions at one weight ,Jake LaMotta and Sugar Ray fought when the game was much tougher .If any Boxer today fought a Hundred bouts it would be classed as an extraordinary record. Ray was without doubt the best pound for pound Boxer of all time.
But you must consider the fact that most bouts were open sparrings for public entertainment, they literally had them once a week, just you know different times, but Sugar Ray Robinson's boxing seemed from the future.
When you're right, You're Right!
The truth! Best ever so far
If you know than you know.
What a fighter, 85 undefeated fights at just 19, 69 of those coming by way of knockout, 40 of which where in the first round, by 1951 he had 128 wins, 2 losses and one draw. he was way ahead of his time and would of made short work of pretty much any middle weight on his best day!
That is true but after 1951 he lost 17
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considering most fighters don't even make it to 50 total fights, 85 undefeated fights at 19 is a feat that is impossible to recreate.
Incredible statistics.
Yes, he would "of". Lol.
robinson is an entertainer fighter not like mayweather a boring fighter.
People saying Ray only fought white guys people do not understand that black fighters in those days had to be twice as good as the white guy to get a chance
@aaron pryor Robinson has a list of hall of fame fighters in his resume, even past his prime.
Yeah whatever, in the era where there are multiple champions per division against when there was only 1. I'm not gonna argue with you "Aaron Pryor".
After the death of Jimmy Doyle, spoken about by Robinson at 7:55, Robinson was heartbroken and tried to make amends. He donated the money from his next 4 fights to Jimmy Doyle's mother, fulfilling Doyle's wishes. Robinson wasn't just the greatest pfp fighter, he was a deeply humble, kind man.
Such a tragic story... they should listen to his premonition.
20:14 Sugar uses philly shell shoulder roll!!
You cannot truly compare Sugar Ray Robinson to Sugar Ray Leonard or Floyd Mayweather. The difference in time is too great, the training regimes different, the diets, the whole complete life styles are different beyond comparison. What you can say when considering greatness is that Sugar Ray Robinson fought anyone and everyone. He never ducked another fighter or had them analysed before deciding to fight them. Nor did his back up team assess whether the opponent was 1) past their best, so now safe. 2) A big name who was actually vastly over rated. 3) Had other major distractions be they camp problems, hand problems, marital problems, drink or drug problems whatever. Floyd's camp do do that in a big way. No match with anyone dangerous is made while they are still at their best. In Robinson's case that never happened. He met everyone. Given that Robinson was not physically a big Middleweight he naturally had some problems facing Joey Maxim who was a big Light-Heavyweight fighting Heavyweights regularly and a skilful boxer. That said I do believe that under normal circumstances Ray would have out pointed Joey. The situation was what it was and the result stands. One other thing. You often hear guys say they beat Sugar Ray Robinson, but the only one's who did were Jake LaMotta, Randolph Turpin & circumstances allowing, Joey Maxim. After them it was a case of some good and pretty poor fighters beating an old worn out fighter. Terry Downes once replied to a question by saying. "I beat an old fighter named Ray Robinson. I never beat Sugar Ray Robinson. I wouldn't have lived with Sugar Ray Robinson." Shame some of the others were not so honest.
+Kohl423 i love ray robinson but he did not want any part of charles burley stating "im too pretty to fight him". although, he didnt fight burley because he was scared (ray robinson was fearless), primarily because he knew burley would be a tough fight, and there really wasnt any benefits in fighting him financially speaking and just generally speaking.
ps) i just read some idiot (on another SRR documentary) state that SRR would be worse in todays era lol... mustve been a flomo lol. So many stupid people on the internet hey? never ceases to suprise me lol.
Liked it.
Charley burley is for me the best pugilist not to win a world title
Murderers row
@Cryer24597 jack johnson also ducked q lot of the more athletic black boxers. Wouldnt give them a shot at the title.
Truly the greatest Boxer to have ever lived.
whay havent they made a movie of this guys life. its oscar bait
Umar Aslam Yeah it's funny how they've made movies about two guys he's beaten (Rocky Graziano and Jake Lamatta ) but no movies about Robinson.
i think they are. and usher the rnb singer is gonna play him.
No. That's a movie about Sugar Ray Leonard.
Not that's a movie about Sugar Ray Leonard where Usher is playing SRL.
The Harry Greb story would be better.
THATS WHAT TRUE CHAMPION IS!! FIGHTS ANYONE.... WIN SOME AND LOSE SOME
Brenton Akoname Win MORE, lose some.
PhorB13 ah okay. my bad ,my bad lol
Comparing mayweathers record to Robinsons doesn't do robinson justice, back then they didn't hand pick fights to maximise profits and guarantee a win for themselves, the best fought the best because they wanted to know who was the best, which is why SRR's wins in my opinion carry more weight
Not only that.Less weight classes, and, less belts in divisions.
The Greatest
Case closed!!!
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@@TexMex713Hou Who's Randy Turpin? Was my question. I found out. So did Sugar Ray.
Men were more humble back then
Yep sure were.
Men were less free back then
Yea there was more racism back then
Love this observation 👍🏼
Great champions never make an excuse for his defeat. He proves his greatness by just coming back.
Robinson is the God of boxing but if you read his autobiography, he made plenty of excuses for his defeats.
@@ppuh6tfrz646 But he always defeated them in rematches
@@MonkeyDToniProductions That's true.
But he didn't give his opponents the credit they deserved for beating him.
@@ppuh6tfrz646 There is not enough of footage of Ray Robinson for me to argue against this so I respect your statement
@@MonkeyDToniProductions I don't think the amount of footage is the issue.
In his autobiography, Robinson did make excuses for his losses to La Motta, Turpin and Fullmer which contradicts the original post in this thread.
That is scary that he dreamed that he killed a fighter and it happened for real.
It’s not scary, it was the Lord trying to warn him what was going to take place.
Unfortunately he listened. To people than God.
As many fights as he had, it was probably bound to happen
I had dreams of tornadoes before they actually hit and killed 40
@@mindmy609 wow . That's heavy if true
@@ericbauer7355 Indeed, and some of the people he listened to were clergy. What was he supposed to think?
That farewell curtain call was the most elegant gentlemanly thing I have ever seen in a boxing ring. That man had a rare talent everyone knows the legend, but he had true class too.
Sugar Ray and Joe Louis were such classy champions it's almost unreal. I think that isn't even debatable that he remains the greatest ever fighter to do it. thanks for keeping his memory alive.
Robinson in his welterweight prime has many fights that are weeks apart weeks that is amazing,
Hey Eric, what's up? I haven't heard from you in a bit. Yeah, Sugar Ray Robinson was a great fighter. He was certainly one of the best. But the best welterweight fight I've seen the past 35 years was Sugar Ray Leonard vs Thomas Hearns on September 16th, 1981.
Frederick Compton Yeah Frederick it is good to hear from you, that was a great fight and that fight for me stamped Ray Leonard as one of the greats, but the other sugar the Ray from the 40s and 50s was arguably the best all time welterweight and middleweight champion, the best at two weight classes pure greatness! I will continue are religious conversations in the near future.
Eric Day Hey "E".. it's truly good to hear from you. I hope everything is Ok in you life. So, what's the weather like there in Philly?
Yeah, I'm looking forward to continuing our up building, spiritual conversations.
I took the liberty of sending "Kyle" Day (that's your brother, right?) a comment because I was wondering what happened to you. I hope you understand. I meant do disrespect.
Frederick Compton Hello Frederick I am great remember it was something that happened to your google account or something, however Kyle Day is my nephew and you should not have asked him anything about me, he is a very private person and my business is my own, please in the future do not inquire about me to my family without my approval , I know you Frederick and I know you meant know harm but please respect my wishes thank you.
Eric Day I'm very sorry about that, Eric, and it will not happen again. I apologize.
No question in my mind Ray Robinson would soundly defeat and probably knock out Mayweather.
IMO Robinson would destroy Mayweather.
Imo floyd wouldnt fight sugar ray robinson
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Agreed!
3434arc1 Goes without saying.
your all wrong
sugar ray robinson wouldnt fight him....
HE WOULD KILL HIM
For those people who saying Robinson is fighting only or padding his record with bums, this is a Robinson career trivia for you:
In his first 20 fights Sugar Ray Robinson beat Jimmy Tygh who is good enough to beat Carl Guggino, Leo Rodak and Hall of Famer Benny Bass, and another top rated lightweight Pete Lello.
In only 2 years and 40 fights, he already beat 4 individual Hall of Famers: IBHOF inductees Sammy Anggott, Fritzie Zivic and Jake LaMotta and WBHOF inductee Marty Servo. Not to mention those elite level fighters like Izzy Jannazo, Carl Guggino, Maxie Berger, Maxie Shapiro, Tony Motisi, Norman Rubio, Rueben Shanks and so on.
In 1943, he fought Jake LaMotta twice in 14 days period sandwiched a fight with top welterweight contender California Jackie Wilson. Wilson is a very, very good boxer who actually had wins over Hall of Famers Jake LaMotta and Kid Gavilan in their primes.
In 1943 again in just over a month, he fought two rated welterweights Henry Armstrong and Ralph Zanelli.
From January 10 to February 23 of 1945, he fought welterweight contenders Tommy Bell and George Sugar Costner and middleweight great Jake LaMotta in just over a month period.
In 1949, just over month he beat Kid Gavilan and Steve Belloise.
Fast Forward to 1950, he beat Luc Van Dam,
Jean Walzack, Robert Villemain and Hans Stretz in just 16 days period from December 9 to 25. These are Middleweight elites especially Villemain who holds a world title during that time.
And from September 1951 to June 1952, he fought 4 individual Hall of Famers Randy Turpin, Bobo Olson, Rocky Graziano and Joey Maxim in just 9 months period. He actually beat Bobo Olson and Rocky Graziano in just over a month period.
Now if these guy Robinson is only fighting bums like you wanted to portray then perhaps I would rather have a man who fight these kind of 'BUMS.'
How it used to be when rivals were so friendly to each other and it was all nothing but love n respect
Anyone else notice how Ali took his boxing style from Sugar Ray?
Yes of course,but as good as he was,imo Robinson was a better overall fighter.
dempsey981 Yes Ray was a better all around fighter, Ali and Joe Louis say Robinson was the best.
Eric Day Yup pretty much this. Both Ali and Joe Louis said that P4P Robinson was the greatest of all time.
+WILLIAM MORRISON Even Ali says that even though he said "I'm the greatest", he has been quoted saying Sugar Ray is the greatest, period.
Duh you f****** idiot Sugar Ray Robinson is Muhammad Ali's Idol Ali said it himself everything about the man is beautiful his jabs his straights his hooks definitely the uppercuts to the body. Muhammad Ali didn't steal anything he just knows good boxing when he sees it
Shame how man fights of Ray in his 1940's incredible prime were not filmed.
My hour and 15 minute computer science class just turned into an hour and 9 minutes of Sugar Ray Robinson, and 6 minutes of nodding my understanding of the lecture
Such class is missing these days. He's such a gentleman. It's really nice to see.
The greatest Pound for Pound boxer of all time ✊
This man is without any question, the best boxer that ever entered the ring. Personally I'm always been a Hagler fan, because I lived in his era. But..my god...Robinson IS boxing!
i like how robinson fought with messed up hair
they say he had his corner men comb his hair between rounds. I see where Broner gets it from now. Paying homage
Killer punches with a killer smile. Ray was the man with pure class and is the greatest boxer ever lived.
5 time middleweight champion and had some ATG competition. Definitely the best ever to do it, and his winning streak after losing to LaMotta, that'll never happen again.
I think Boxers train harder than they did back during Sugar Ray Robinson's time.... but Boxers had bigger hearts back then and they were a lot more sportsman like win, lose, or draw.
NOOO they definitely trained harder in those days! they had to train to make it through 15 rounds of brutal punishment. The fighting conditions were alot less restrained and the gloves were ALOT less padded than they are now. But ure absolutely right about the hearts and sportsmanship. I think it makes the fight more awe inspiring to see the 2 fighter embrace each other before they go to war.
***** Very well said! I wholeheartedly agree. The world was a much different place 60-90 years ago. Fast food wasn't as it is today, preservatives in foods was practically non-existent, training methods were extreme, but nowadays it's called "core training" lol. Maybe lots of fighters during the depression weren't as skilled due to lack of great trainers to go around, although the greats were just that, GREATS. Hank Armstrong, SRR, Joe Louis, Mickey Walker, Willie Pep, etc., etc. All these champions would mop the floor with all except the most gifted champions of the last 40 years and even then wouldn't lose too often. The toll all those bouts took on these heroes of the past, yet look at Jake LaMotta, nearly 93 years old and still in good health after 100+ pro bout career(and considering the punishment he took due to his style) is amazing. Too much money in today's fight game(at least for a champion). Fighters of yore(even champions) had to fight repeatedly each year just to maintain the lifestyle they felt they deserved to live. When Pretty Boy Floyd earns(after PPV rights) $42+ million for ONE fight, makes it hard to get motivated for your next match.
I Think There No Good Boxers Now It's Just A Bunch Of Guys Getting In The Ring To Get Paid. There's Only 2 Good Fighters In Boxing Mayweather & Pacquiao & I Don't Think They Will Fight Each Other For All The Money In The World Smh
05gtdriver Todays training = roids, better equipment, & diets. Oldschool fighters did all the basic training the elites do today, but they fought much more.
Joe Louis said Sugar Ray was the best pound for pound. He could knock one out with either hand and could kayo with a left hook while going backwards. While it's true SRR and Joe were friends, I think Joe had it right.
The golden era of boxing boxers showed a lot of respect to each other no trashtalking just pure sportsmanship.The era where boxers are figthing with pride no cherry picking boxers fight the best of the best
Amazing documentary & footage.
The best introduction ever for a GOAT of any. Sports is here .. wow thw choice of words is so perfect ❤️
Robinson = The best boxer to ever lace up gloves .....Poetry in motion
Momo Bobo Greb, Armstrong, Pep, Charles, are right with him.
Chris Rembert None of the great boxers you listed could punch with SRR. That's both HIT and combination punch. Add in that he was never KOd and you have the difference between him and everybody else. All the 4 on your list were KOd in there career. Armstrong could multiple punch with SRR but
don't think he could KO with either hand like SRR. He's probably 2nd all-time to Ray.
nobodyaskedbut Harry Greb was only stopped twice out of 300 fights, Once early in his carrer and the other due to a broken arm. He was the size of a SMW regularly fighting LHWs and HWs.
Ezzard Charles defeated Archie Moore 3 times, Walcott twice, Louis, Burley twice, Maxim (who outlasted SRR) 4 times,
Chris Rembert You know as well as I do Maxim didn't "outlast" SRR. In fact if that bout had been held under normal conditions Ray likely at least TKOs if not KOs Maxim by the 10th rd. He was way ahead as it was going to the 13th. Charles couldn't hit and in those 4 Maxim bouts didn't KO him. Charles, Moore, Walcott, Patterson and Lesnevich didn't KO Maxim in 12 total bouts. Maxim was only KOd once and rest assured under normal conditions vs SRR would have been number TWO in ONE try. How do I know that? Bobo Olson floored Maxim twice in a bout, a year before Olson was KOd in back to back bouts by SRR. Sugar Ray's versatility is what separates him from everybody else. No one else had the combination of both superior punching AND punch taking & avoiding for so long as he did. Remember without punching there is no boxing. We could go on for decades going back and forth because obviously we have different values in terms of top level boxing.
nobodyaskedbut As Maxim said "There was no airconditioning in my corner". According to Kearns, Joey had hurt SRR in the 10th and 12th rounds.
Charles didn't have 1 punch ko power but he managed to put a painful beating on most of his opponents.
Just because Olson gave Maxim trouble does not mean Robinson would ko JM. Example, Frasier was able to not only floor but also beat Ali yet Foreman who easily handled Frasier twice was outsmarted by Ali to punch himself out.
The Left Hook KO of Gene Fullmer is absolutely astonishing. Sugar Ray Robinson was indeed The Greatest. That KO of Rocky Graziano, WOW. His had to shake both legs to get some Life back into them (but wants to continue :-) ). Thanks for posting. Walker Smith. Wow.
I thank my LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST for this great legendary professional world champion boxer, Sugar Ray Robinson. He continues to inspire my development as a boxer. Sugar Ray Robinson was a great world champion inside and outside the ring.
Thanks for posting this. I learned a lot about this great champion.
This man dreamed of killing someone in the ring and he actually did damn this man was dangerous.
Thought that too his understanding of the sport had to have been unbelievable. to have your subconscious alerted to an opponent who is not ok physically Or not on par with his skill.
Best boxer in history, not only is he number 1, nobody can even begin to compare
Best fighter in the history of the sweet science. .Ali even stole his style. .
Dorothy View smh
They both took it from gentleman Jim corbett
a true artist, probably the most naturally talented boxer to have ever fought in the ring, and we might not see a more natural fighter in decades to come. Would be interesting to see how he would match up against the toughness of JC Chavez and Hagler
At one point this man was like 127-1!!! Beast!
There's a reason why Sugar Ray Robinson is on the top pound for pound list of many analysts AND fighters.
ROBINSON: Simply the best,better than all the rest.
With 200 fights, 173 wins and 108 KO's, who can touch this guys record?
Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Thomas Hearns both in their prime would be the biggest fight ever.
V Ling Tommy's chin was suspect. Ray would have knocked him out.
Denmark Vesey
lol.....it would be pretty good fight you can't deny that. But if it went the distance yes I also favor Robinson by late stoppage. Hearns could have taken any welterweight in history though.
V Ling Damn, that would be an interesting match-up. Everyone might think Robinson would probably KO Hearns because of his suspect chin, but Sugar Ray was dropped by power punchers during his career as well and I doubt any of the guys Robinson faced had the speed and power of the Hit Man. I would think Hearns could probably stop Robinson early but if he got caught by any of the bombs Robinson threw from either hand, it would be like the Hagler fight...bu..bye Tommy!
ddland45 Yeah, there's little to no footage of Robinson as a welterweight, where he was most dominant. Most of his knockdowns and taking hard punches were from middleweights,.......still, both Hearns and Robinson at 147 would be incredible. Also I'd like to see Robinson vs Leonard!
ddland45 Hearns lost twice hagler and Sugar Ray Leonard so I don't see that being the biggest fight
The fighters of this era seem to have a class not seen today. They were gentleman, it was a job they did, they held no malice toward each other...Ray was always gracious, whether in victory or defeat.
Just in case the ATG will be lined up again I would still put "Sugar Ray Robinson" the 1st placer and no one can ever replace that, The great "Muhammad Ali" in number 2nd place and because of The ever humble Manny Pacquiao's unparalleled accomplishments in boxing history with all my heart history should put him in the 3rd place.
ronald gellido well put
SRR proved he can beat men bigger than him&he can brawl,he also had a KO punch capable of murder as he proved &had much more longevity with 200 plus fights ,Ali no offence intended but was factually punch drunk after 60...
I love watching the small amount of archive that there is of Robinson, but seeing as Cassius Clay aspired to and imitated him should say everything needs to be said. Any true boxing fan that watches this man and takes into consideration the time, will surely consider him one of, if not THE best of all time. That's not to say boxers of our time would not beat him but of how far ahead of time he was and that's always the consideration.
different type of sportsmanship back then
That’s crazy I didn’t know we actually have footage of Ray Robinson in the 40s to be able to watch him and his prime is incredible! I also didn’t know people from the 40s had their own camcorder type things lol
Joe Louis was Ray Robinson's idol- and Ray was Ali's idol. That says it all. They are boxing's Trinity. Ali is often referred to as a heavyweight Sugar Ray. But Ali was a better defensive fighter than Ray, and Ray was a better puncher than Ali- by far. One thing though- Ali's knockout of Bonavena looks a lot like Ray's kayo of Gene Fullmer.
Best check left hook I have ever seen!
I dont care what nobody says floyd would not last any rounds against robinson nor any welter weight from this time for that matter robinson would have pounded right threw floyds shoulder roll
He would have got some rounds, but he would not have won. Possibly koed.
A true champ who showed alot of class and grace towards his opposition. A true model who represented the sport well
rest in peace man you were a true diamond
Just imagine if SRR was alive and was being trained by one of the world’s best coaches today, with all the fancy equipment and technology we have nowadays he would of been a hell of a boxer on top of what he was back then.. It seems they used to fight out of boredom tbh.
Happy-Birthday Sugar-Ray!
I beleive in my opinion, Roy Jones Junior was the greatest pound for pound fighter of alltime. And Bernard Hopkins. But I cant truly no that for a fact.
9:25 - That's a Charlie Zelenoff move right there.
9:27 🤣🤣
No drama no bs just two gentleman shaking hands before a fight. Now compare that to the generation of the likes of Tyson, haye and others.
"Never got me down Ray"
Sugar Robinson#s athletic style paved the style for Ali, Sweet Pea, Meldrick Taylor, Roy Jones, Michael Nunn and Sugar Ray Leonard. Sugar Ray Robinson was way ahead of his time.
SRR was great but Harry Greb had deeper resume.
Fought for 13 years.
Half blind for 5 years.
Defeated 18 individual World Champs. Fighting with only 8 divisions and no albphbeit titles. And many top contenders. 13/14 HOFers.
261W-20L-17D-2NC
Dominanted mw through hw, while usually around 165.
Important to note that the world champions Greb fought were all former, present or future UNDISPUTED world champion, and Greb was the only man to ever beat Tunney.
You could make an argument that Armstrong or Greb were better p4p than Robinson but unfortunately there is no film of Greb and Armstrong was old as shit when he got beat by Robinson but the fact that he lost makes many people write him off.
Chris Rembert Having more fights doesn't make him better. SRR was another level. He should've gotten a shot at the lightweight title when he first started but he was avoided. Greb's KO % was a joke 48 ko's out 261 wins = 18 PERCENT! Paulie Malignaggi has a HIGHER KO % Greb could not break an EGG to make breakfast. SRR = The G.O.A.T!
WZ912 Did you not read my other arguements?
Defeated 18 WORLD CHAMPS multiple times. Defeated 13 HOFers multiple times. Defeated at least 100 total top contenders. Half blind for 5 years. Average opponent 20 pounds heavier. Only one to beat Tunney. Rumors has it he outscored Dempsey twice in sparring. 300 fights from 140-200+lbs opponents and only stopped twice, Early in his carer and due to a broken arm.
Grebs power was underrated; He was more about speed, stamina, durability, footwork.
Chris Rembert "Did you not read my other arguements?' OH YES I DID! That’s why I replied in the 1st place. " Greb’s power was underrated; He was more about speed, stamina, durability, footwork." ...and DIRTY FIGHTING!...you forgot that. :)
Not even the Almighty Harry Greb himself can not beat the math. The numbers do not lie. Greb's KO % was a joke 48 ko's out 261 wins = 18 PERCENT!…not a puncher. And given that he was a Notoriously Dirty Fighter in an age were God only knows what some fighters had in there gloves,like Dempsey Vs Willard. His Demi-God Herculean Superman Man of Steel Legendary status is a little question. Especially that there’s still NO FOOTAGE of any of his 300 fights. What happened to them?….Did Mickey Walker burn all the film? lol!
WZ912 Back in those days you had to nearly kill opponents to get a stoppage. He was so "dirty" he rarley got caught. And it's pretty hard knocking out opponents 20+lbs larger and several inches taller. No need for film His resumee says it all. I found one film of him CLOWNING around with a 40 yo OBRIEN.
Sugar Ray Robinson beat all the best fighters of his era, some of them multiple times, and that makes him the best. The man beat so many people that for a while people were scared to fight him. Words can't express how great a boxer and person he was.
all of mayweathers supposedly otherworldly techniques and skills were commonplace back in this era, even amongst white fighters. James Toney learnt all of his stuff watching videos of Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, Ray Robinson, Jersey Joe Walcott, etc. watch bobo Olson, Billy graham, joey giardello or joey giambra - all defensively fantastic with incredible boxing skills. None of this hold the hands up in front of the face with no quality head movement crap you see these days. Floyd looks great because he actually learnt some true boxing skills from the greats of the past while his opponents continue to use the boxy, square on, gloves high walk up style that simply doesn't work against a truly educated fighter. boxing has gone backwards significantly, simple as that.
Though I am a huge Mayweather fan, I'm also realistic enough to recognize the fact that Sugar Ray Robinson remains in a class by himself. To this day Robinson tops over 90% of boxing polls for greatest fighter ever. Ali or Joe Louis both repeatedly stated for the record that SRR was the greatest fighter that ever lived. They are right.
Look at Ray at 1:14 after he has retired. Look at his ears. You will notice something amazing. He doesn't have Cauliflower ears. compare that to almost every boxer of that era and this era. Look how messed up the cartilidge on their ears or nose is. Amazing
Kahlil Warren chill bitch
Both Ali and Joe lewis said robinson was the best of all time, and many many more have said the same, he would knock you out with either hand even could knock you out while moving backwards
greatest boxer ever
Ray relied heavily on the fact that he had a great chin - similar to Ali.
I look at that fight with Jake LaMotta, and you see Ray against the turnbuckle in the corner facing a barrage of punches, and his hands are mostly down at his waist! Lot's of head movement caused Jake to miss some, but Ray probably ate a few that he did not have to if he covered his face with his gloves.
Yeah but he was covering his body primarily because lamotta is known for the bombs he throws to the body and Robinson obviously thought that the greatest threat was to his body.
PotatoStickman200
*fair point*
Sad when you see footage of the last few years of his life though. Ray's brain was gone - too much damage from all those fights.
sugar ray robinson is like sugar ray Leonard on steroids.
No comparison
Sugar ray leonard is just as good as ray robinson.
No, Sugar Ray Robinson was better than Leonard.
It can be argued that ray leonard is better
money maker andrew No, it can't Robinson was the best ever. #TBE
He is the greatest boxer, of all weight divisions.
In Boxing History, he is the Champion of all Champions.
the real pound for pound boxer of all time not floyd...the real black pride
Jerome Vicente soooooo true
Astonishing Sugar Ray Robinson.His fighting was the template for later fighters to copy.
Let's just give credit where it is due, and we should all be able to agree that SRR was the best, pound for pound, given how many fights he fought (so many more fights) and won. Different eras also brought different factors (that you can't see), training, and fighting styles, so that all has to be considered. SRR was living in the prehistoric much more pathetic version of America, so it was harder then just for him to live his life, let alone fight well, overcome whatever "games" he had to play, and be perfect in the public eye. He was an incredible athlete through and through. Even Muhammad Ali looked up to him. Other great boxers of the time revered him. I mean I don't even know why we are debating this.
anybody who argues there's a better boxer than this guy is an idiot...128-1-2 at one point...no one else has done that..fought everyone, never ran like that other Sugar that ditched Hagler until he got old, fought in multiple divisions...unparalleled speed and power...with either hand..not an argument worth having
PorkFrog Hi there, I guess you never heard of Langford, Greb and Armstrong. I rate Langford #1 of all time and a toss-up with the other three fighters. Langford is the greatest light-heavy and a top 10 heavyweight of all time. Greb is the greatest middleweight ever and a top 10 light-heavy ever and Armstrong is the greatest featherweight ever, top 5 lightweight ever and maybe even a top 10 welterweight of all time. Robinson is the greatest welterweight ever and a top 10 middleweight ever. I would rank Robinson #2 out of Greb and Arstrong, but Robinson would have almost no chance with Charles or Moore and even Marciano while Langford would beat all three via TKO or KO and was the greatest puncher of all time. Those that saw Langford and Robinson fight, the majority agree Langford was the greatest ever and was inarguably the most avoided fighter ever. While Robinson avoided Burley (although Robinson was slightly better), Dempsey and Greb avoided Langford.
Derek OJ I heard of Greb and Armstrong. I will look up Langford right now...
who's Burley and how do you know Robinson avoided him?
educate me...
Derek OJ okay, I read about Langford...have you ever seen him fight?
what did he have or could he do that Robinson couldn't? [besides fight as a heavyweight---Robinson fought Maxim for the light-heavyweight title at 157, and would have won if not for the heat...Ray got devastated by heat exhaustion and actually fell down without being touched at one point. 104 degrees in New York with high humidity]
Derek OJ I read some about Burley, and the 'ducking'...
...Ray was notoriously flaky and would pull out of fights for any number of reasons--especially after he killed that guy. I don't know why he didn't fight Burley. I've read hearsay quotes, but they are no different than the ones that have Tyson replying to King 'You wanna fight Foreman, you fight'em. I'm not fighting that animal'
those kinds of things may be true, and they may not
my statement about Robinson is based on only losing 1 of his first 130[Ray had a long undefeated amateur career as well], and the number of titles, the overall skill, the combination of one punch power and blinding speed, and almost winning the lightheavy title at 157.
as far as 'ducking', I could be wrong
Back then, there were only 8 divisions not the countless phony ones that exist today. Robinson defeated 11 different TRUE champions an astounding total of 23 times. He could hit with either hand for KOs, he was fast with both his feat and his hands, he could take a punch and he was by far the greatest ever at punching combinations. He had more career KOs (108) than Louis and Hagler had combined. No other boxer possessed the entire package like the ONLY REAL Sugar Ray.
Joe Louis shouldnt talk with that much respect for a creature such as ray robinson was. His wife had multiple miscarriages because of the beatings she got. His son Ron said about his father "was a dad to lots of children except his own."
And after Robinson died, Ronnie said "When he died, I didn't give a shit. What's the sense of putting on an act? I don't feel sorry for the son of a bitch because he was the most arrogant person I ever run into."
People dont be fooled, there are many wolves in the sheep clothing out there.
Be careful who youre choosing as your idols.
shut the fuck up
*****
Robinson was a piece of shit.
pussy
+Regz Zuse What are your thoughts on Elvis?
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lol, I dont now. I dont know much about him. Beside few of his songs. Cool entertainer, I guess.
great upload mate well done
I See Alot Of Comments About Floyd Vs Sugar Ray Robinson Now Look Are The Scenarios
Floyds In Robinsons Time 6 Ounce Gloves Floyd Is Not Used To Getting Hit SRR Is Do Robinson Will Knock Him Out In 4 Maybe 6 Rounds
Robinson Is In Present Time Same Thing Will Happen Just With Different Rules Or If Were Being Realistic Gayweather Would Probably Duck Sugar Ray
Feel Free To Respond.....Peace
floyd getting knocked out is unrealistic. dont be biased and try to picture the fight from both perspectives. floyd mayweather is perfect, his style literally has no flaws in it, and his defense is the best in the history of the sport, and he's known to make good fighters look like amateurs. realistically floyd would win the unanimous decision
Hugh Hefner Floyd's style has a big flaw.. His defensive skills engulfed his offense. He became little by little a defensive two punch fighter, whose wins are based on points. These other guys fought with a 6 ounce gloves, practically the leather stuck to their nuckles, Floyd would have to open up when he started feeling the punches even on his arms and shoulders.
pepe velez ovandomesta i agree ray would win in his era because the terms were totally different, but by todays terms floyd would slip his punches and counter him all night
Right and then again Robinson had 200 fights in his record. So the question is what was the best boxing the one back then, where you had tough champions or the one nowdays where you can become a champion with 20 fights or keeping your belt by protecting yourself with your elbows, fists, ropes, foreheads, even knees. To me really with all due respect FLOYD at times looks pathetic.
pepe velez ovandomesta i get what ur saying. but when u compare boxers by pure boxing skill i'd say floyd mayweather surpasses everyone based on his skills in the ring, his ring iq, his defense. his skillset is unmatched.
Proper boxers going at it!! No dramas just mutual respect! How boxing should be. Love 💘❤ this.
I have a lot more respect for Ray Robinson as a human being. Just a positive human who a lot of good out of the ring. It's a shame you don't hear a lot of this stuff.
Rocky Marcianno found a lot of old has beens and his fights were hand pick controlled thrown if u get my drift and by the Mob which is a fact a true drunk. Fought a very very old Joe Louis just let the record show lol. Keep it real arm chair athletes.
why is everything about race? arent you a grown man? i dont know if you realized but this was about Ray Robinson. not Maricano. so wtf are you complaining about. you look bitter, insecure and childish. its very embarrassing
Your talking bollocks
Marcianio fought Jersey joe Walcott
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Great bio pic about the Great Sugar Ray Robinson!!!👊👊👊
Charles Burley the man that scared the greatest
Mokkari77 cant discredit Robinsons greatness but burley was the true P4P king
The greatest doesn't lose (decisively) his only 2 bouts with Ezzard Charles. Charles would have never beat SRR two straight at same weights.
He would have probably gave SRR a tuff tactical fight with power
Thanks for the upload
I believe Floyd should beat Robinson. only boxers I believe that can beat Floyd is sugar Ray Leonard in prime.
You mean in the same wt class, right? Otherwise there's at least a dozen who could beat Mayweather.
+Steven Gonzales Steven You are insane my friend... Floyd is lucky to have no talent opposition. Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Hagler, all would murder Floyd. Floyd is lucky in time to have been born later. No Contest!!
Ellie Wu just no. Y'all need to stop hating it's getting bad
I don't think so
Class act this guy . Style in everything he does
Having seen these fights, I think now as I did then, he is the best I have seen at any division
Sugar Ray. Amazing fighter. More amazing man....
Possibly the best boxing channel on youtube - yet another fantastic upload son!
ray was one of the only boxers who could think straight and naturely react to punches being thrown at him. he didnt play hide in a box like floyd and sit back and let his opponent come to him. ray was aggresive and elusive he would dominate floyd. but i would like to see robinson vs pacquiao prime. that would be an aggresive fight
Wathching Ray in these old welterweight days is like watching a mystro conduct a smphony Ray was the best.
This is the story about SRR going against black boxers. When he was on his way up there was no money in fighting other black boxers because at that time not enough people (mostly white) would pay a good price to see two black fighters. However, when he finally got his chance to win the welterweight title in 1947 that changed everything because he was now an instant superstar in the fight game because he was not only a champion but an attractive draw because of his style and incomparable abilities. In 1948 he began to face very good to great black boxers because he was a good enough draw by himself. From March 1948 to March 1950 he had 14 bouts vs good to great black boxers including Kid Gavilan (twice), Henry Brimm, Earl Turner, Aaron Wade, Bernard Docusen (49-2-4), Young Gene Buffalo & George Costner (71-11-3). Most of the time he may have somewhat carried many of them because he didn't want to badly hurt them or embarrass them. If he did KO any of them it was probably personal. That was definitely the case vs Costner who called himself "sugar" and flaunted it in front of SRR who, of course, did not like it. SRR first fought him in 1945 and KOed him the 1st round. He did the same thing to him in 1950. As one could tell by his record Costner was a very good boxer. That is why I believe SRR did not try to destroy most of his black foes. In addition this was after Doyle died after being KOd by SRR in the 1st defense of his welterweight crown. By his own admission he never again had the same attitude in the ring as he had before the Doyle bout.
Sugar Ray Robinson the GOAT. Crazy to think back then these guys fought 3-7 weeks for another fight. THESE GUYS WHERE MEN had to fight for MONEY. these guys now wouldn't stand a chance v SUGAR crazy record he had CRAZY!
Legendary RIP Sugar Ray🕊🕊🕊🕊